Hellowen, Welcome to the show.

I'm Martin Willis, your host and excited to have another Thursday night show here.

I have James I and Dolly on tonight.

I listened to him on another podcast and he has quite a story and so we're gonna be talking with him in just a minute, just a few things here.

Next week on Tuesday, it might be myself Jack UFO Jack who helps me out with YouTube and all that, Peter Robbins possibly another guest.

We're going to be talking about the Exeter UFO incident.

Fascinating case if you've ever looked into that.

So I'm going to be talking about that.

I'm going to be speaking at the conference the following Sunday.

After that, and as I mentioned before, we're going to be out in Sedona, and well before that, we're going to be up at shag Harbor.

I'm going to be the EMC there again this year, up at Shag Harbor, Nova, Scotia, And that's the first few days of October.

I think it's the third through the fifth of October.

And then we're going to be out in Sedona at Travis Walton's fiftieth anniversary of his UFO encounter, and that event is going to be October seventeenth through twentieth.

A lot of people know.

I do believe it was November fifth when the incident actually happened.

So ten years ago I had contacted Travis and I said, you know, for his fortieth they were actually in Snowflake where the incident happened, and I got Travis a satellite because the phone don't he said, the phones won't come in there.

So everyone was meeting at the event and Alejandro Rojas was there and I called him.

I actually got through, so he had signal and so I go where you know, the show's starting here, where's Travis?

Is he there?

He's always running late.

So so Travis shows up and he forgot the satellite phone.

It was expensive to rent that satellite phone for he forgot it.

Luckily, the phone that Alejandro had on him was working, had enough signal and we pulled it off.

It worked.

But this year it's not going to be held in a Snowflake.

It's going to be in Sedona, which if you've ever been there, If you have not been there, I should say I say that it's a place to visit in the country.

There's a lot of people that talk about unusual things that happened there.

But other than that, you know, it's such a beautiful area.

So Ron James lives there.

I'll be visiting with him and several others.

But that's enough for me.

I'm gonna bring James idolably in right now.

How did I do with your name?

James?

Perfect?

Okay?

And Doli if you're if you're super Italian, you can say yan Doli?

But is the way right?

All right?

All right, so welcome to the show.

So you actually do a show yourself called Engaging in the Phenomenon.

As you can see you have it right up here.

So what I know you had things happen in your life.

Is that what made you interested in actually starting this year channel and all that because of the things that happened or did you have an interest before things happened?

I should ask you how young you were?

Right?

Yeah?

Well, first of all, yeah, it's an honor to be on your show.

You know, I've been watching your show for years, and you know, I remember you had like Christopher Bloodsoe on before he was like well known, you know, and you did.

Yeah, I had him back in the nine two thousand and twelve.

I had him on right right when.

I think it was around the time that that show aired, but people still weren't picking up on his his stuff back then.

But yeah, for me, I guess you can call me an experience or uh, I don't.

I don't so much like labels and to say, so, oh, this person's an experience or this other person's a non experience, or we're you know, we're human beings.

Uh.

And some people just happened to be tuned into a particular you know, their aperture might be more open or something instigates an event.

But for me, I was having a high strangers event since I was young, So you know, for me, it started off with entity encounters and those entities I don't generally assume or or even back then, I never associated them with with like a UFO intelligence per se, because they were shadow type entity, but they had a light scintillation to them, but they were highly telepathic and if it happened more than a half dozen times, it was frightening.

When I was young, I was awake and lucid and scared, to be honest, and I had had a body experiences and that was when I was very young, and so you know, going on from there, I had, you know, periodic UFO sightings when I was a kid outside I I was fascinated by them, and so I was always interested in in UFOs and metaphysics.

I never found it to be something strange.

There was always something fascinating.

And you know, coincidentally, I live right in the Hudson Valley where the Hudson Valley ufolways wave occurred.

And you know, I was born during the Hudson Value UFO wave.

You know, if that's any constellation.

Well, have you ever checked to see if you're a hybrid or not?

Just you know, Harry Nolan, I feel run the DNA test then you know, even if you got the result, it'd be classified.

Hey, I got to tell you when I was Yes, when I was out in uh, I was at Pine Bush.

I don't know, maybe three or four years ago.

I talked to someone who now lives in Las Vegas, but her and her family lived in you know, the Pine Bush area, and so I started talking to the daughter.

This is a this is a woman who ran my Facebook page for seven or eight years.

Every day she'd posts them.

She was really very helpful and by the way that jobs available as a volunteer basis in particular.

But uh so, so she was posting all the time, and so I got to talk to her, you know, because I remember she said she was in Pine Bush and I said, anything weird happened.

She goes, let me get my daughter.

So her daughter gets on the phone, and she said that they were outside and chairs like lawn chairs and things like that, and there was like this high grass around this area where there was like a dirt area to park in, and so she's like walking and she says this.

This sounds nuts to people when you say this, but she said there was a being just like staring at her, and you know, the big eyes, like the typical gray it sounded like.

And then it just vanished in the grass and scared the heck out of her.

And but there's just it seems like an area where there's a lot of things that happen.

Yeah, and you know there's a lot over here, you know, whether it's like people say, it's a it's a vortex center area.

But also, I mean, right, I don't want to dox myself, but I live very close to Indian Point, you know, so the UFO is and nukes.

Thing is, you know, it's nuclear powered.

So and yeah, cam Smith right over here in West Point, so there's there's a lot over here.

Right right, and yeah.

Well, and but the stories were that they would just all people would just gathering their beach chairs and just wait for them to come.

I mean, that's how often they happen.

You know, during the summer.

Cars would pull over the side of the road and they would just get their lawn chairs out, just sit there and wait.

Yeah, and you know, there's the Pine Bush is kind of like an infamous area, the whole Hudson Valley really because yea, even even growing up, you know, I and there's plenty of people who I spoke to about my interest in UFOs.

I'd ask them, uh and you know a majority of people around here even still today, either themselves personally or family members and people they knew closely saw the UFO, the Hudson Valley UFO during that time they in the eighties.

M right, right, So let's talk a little bit more about what you're appearances were.

You said there were entities.

Now, how young were you when these things started happening.

So that started when I was around five or six, that that age frame, and again it was it was the first time that it had ever happened.

I had seen them, and I was scared.

And the first thing I heard again telepathically was he can see us, and and that freaked me out.

And and then the being there's three of them they collapsed into like an orbs and came together.

And if you ever saw the movie The Knowing with Nicholas Cage, I know, yeah so that that great movie.

Yeah so, and and whoever made that movie, I don't know if they did research or what, or if they just made it up.

But the whisp bring that that phenomena where they the kids are hearing the whispering it like auditorially, I heard something akin to that, very similar to that, except mentally, I you know, I heard and felt differently like it was very clear, like no no question in my mind what the message was.

So uh, you know, when people talk about telepathy, it's not just an auditory phenomenon.

There's there's a physical and or even like emotional kinesthetic components to it.

So yeah, so, And that happened more than a half dozen times spontaneously or periodically, until about the time I was maybe eleven or twelve was the last time it happened.

So again, by by that age, I was not There was no confusion when I was that age of what's going on?

Now?

Do you try to tell your parents about it?

I didn't.

Maybe maybe the first time, but never.

I never made it an issue with them, right, so, because you know, again when I was younger, I was more frightened by it, and I probably hadn't mentioned it to them, but I don't recall having like a whole conversation with them about it.

And did you ever talk to them later in life about any of this stuff, any of your family?

Yeah, well, yeah, after that's kind of jumping ahead a little, because I started having kind of in your face experiences by the time of two thousand and seven, and at that point I was twenty years old, and I had brought it up because of these later experiences.

So yeah, later on I ended up bring all.

Right, well, let's let's go back to doing it chronologically, how things happened with you, if you would.

Sure, So those original encounters, if you want to call them experiences, those entities, I even still to this day, I don't.

I don't necessarily think that they were UFO beings or occupants.

It didn't because even after later on, when I had UFO encounters, it was a different There was a telepathic component, but it was it was a completely different experience.

So you know, from there, I you know, I don't know why I had the experiences necessarily, but for some reason I had those entity encounters.

But then I also had spontaneous out of body experiences where I would be in between being awake and falling asleep and there was no lapse in my consciousness.

I was just you know, like staring at the ceiling basically, and all of a sudden, my perspective shifts and I'm looking down at myself and and then all of a sudden, I'm like, holy crap, that that's me.

And then you know, bam, I go back into my body and it's it's it wasn't even just like an instantaneous thing.

I saw myself going back down and that happened a number of times spontaneously.

But you know, going on from there, I had UFO sightings when I was younger, but for me, it was not it wasn't I mean, at that age it wasn't like this.

It was exciting, but it wasn't like a paradigm shifting thing in the sense where like I, you know, I would try to take pictures of them with disposable cameras, uh, and they never came out, and it was always like, you know, late at night.

At that age, I couldn't really differentiate a satellite.

I didn't have the kind of awareness or context when that was going on at that time, So I can't say for sure that those were UFOs, but in my mind, at least at that time that I was thinking they were UFOs and there were weird lights moving around in the sky and I was following them and they seemed to follow me, so that, you know, after that I had there was maybe a dropping off.

And by the time I was eighteen years old, and this is two thousand and five, I started getting really involved in meditation.

I was practicing Chinese martial arts, practicing chigong, basic yoga, and meditation, and I was practicing it pretty seriously, so I you know, and again this whole time I was I was already interested in UFOs, and I was doing UFO research, you know, reading books and such and going on the internet.

But then in two thousands, that's when I had a series of really in your face experiences that kind of brought me where I am today, and that that also they had they seemed to happen sequentially, and there were aspects of high strangeness, and that all began in uh it was probably the late spring, and again I'm twenty years old.

I was working an overnight shift and in the morning, I'm finishing up my shift and one of my coworkers, who is you know, he's in his fifties or sixties, super conservative guy.

Anything we talk about is like work related.

He's telling me about the union there and the union rules and this and that because he's a delegate and you know, hey, how's your family, that kind of thing.

So all of a sudden, like one morning, he says to me, hey, did you hear about the UF in Mexico?

And that it caught me off guard because he didn't know that I had any kind of interest in that.

I never had brought anything up like that at work or anything, so I found it strange.

But I said, no, I didn't hear about it, and I really didn't, so I just kind of went on with the rest of my shift and finished.

I thought it was weird.

But I didn't think anything of it afterwards, because you know, I thought it was just a random question, like it maybe there was some kind of thing in the news or something.

So I went home and I went to sleep.

So I went to sleep.

By the time I got home and went to sleep, it's probably like eight thirty am.

I And when I went to sleep, I became aware in a dream.

Right, So it's a dream.

But I was aware in the dream.

And in the dream, I'm in my old neighborhood where I had actually seen those UFOs, And I was driving down in my old neighborhood and there was an again this is a dream.

There's an orange plasma electric UFO like twenty twenty five feet above my car.

And I mean, I'm like, I'm driving and I'm like panicking.

It was kind of like, you know, again it's a dream.

So I'm like super reactive.

I didn't think why, but I'm like, oh my god, I have to get away from this thing.

So I'm in you know, this is going on for two and a half minutes of me driving through my old neighborhood trying to get away from this orange plasma like UFO that had the UFO was like pulsing, and I had felt the same pulsing in my body.

But you know, I snap out of that dream and I wake up, and I'm just coming to like, you know, I'm not really thinking much about the dream other than that was kind of weird.

But then one of my family members comes in my house and they say, hey, did you hear about the UFOs in Mexico?

And that's when I was like, that's when everything kind of clicked for me, right, because I wasn't connecting any of this until that point.

So I at that point, I was just like, what the hell is going on?

So I'm kind of thinking to myself, like, screw this.

I'm just going to go down the street to this Chinese place that I used to go to get some chicken up broccoli and just like chill because this is this is freaking weird now, So I get it.

It's like three point thirty in the afternoon or so, you know, again late spring.

It's a clear blue sky.

I get in my car and I started driving and within a few hundred feet, ah, you know, I can see the road in the sky above me, and I see a fireball right in the center of the sky.

And it had a very like lava living quality to it, if I can say that, or maybe like in the dream plasma like, and I'm just I just think to myself, like, holy shit, that's a UFO.

And as soon as I think that, it started to move through the sky like slowly and silently, and it was not quite the size of a dime but large, so it was either bigger probably or lower in proximity.

So I'm like super excited at this point and kind of shocked, and I'm trying to chase it and it just slowly moves out of you, and and I was just like I was blown away, right, And the whole thing that was the kind of the most jarring to me.

Like at first it was the UFO.

I was like, oh my god, you know, I saw UFO and it was in broad daylight and it was like right there and it responded to my thought.

But what you know, after I kind of settled down, I was I just I was trying to make sense of how how is it, you know, the seeing the UFO and broad daylight.

Like I can kind of rationalize that, right, like people have UFO sightings, but what what I could never understand or What didn't settle with me was that or you know, hit me like a ton of bricks, was like, how did this entire chain of events happen that led up to the sighting that this rant you know, someone of my coworkers mentioned something to me.

Then I have this you know, crazy dream in my old neighborhood where I had seen UFOs as a kid, and then another you know, my family member says something to me, and then and then I have a broad daylight UFO sighting.

To me, that that whole series and and chain of events was was way more absurd than than the the UFO and Broad Daylight itself, right, because you can rationalize, oh, maybe there's some kind of you know, unknown night non human intelligence or or aliens visiting us whatever, like that's like a sci fi idea, But the whole chain of events to me was way more bizarre.

So at this point my my interests grew even more.

Of course, But the next kind of UFO encounter in this series of events happened maybe to months later, so probably early summer, and again in two thousand and seven, I ended up getting into this car accident because I was working all these overnight shifts and I was working seven days a week.

Actually at that time, I was working two jobs.

And I got into a car accident.

And I didn't realize this until much later, but it was actually in the same exact area where I had the UFO sighting.

So I got in this car accident, and during this car accident, I have what I call a trauma induced out of body experience.

It kind of simulated like a near death experience.

But I always call a trauma induced out of body experience because I wasn't near death, but during the incident, I you know, I'll just explain it.

I thought I was I had died basically, because the first thing that happens after the accident is that I'm face to face with what somebody can call like a light being, right, this like entity of light, and I hear this like crystalline angelic orchestra that is like heavenly.

It had that total kind of vibe to it.

And I did the light being or entity when I I had some kind of like knowing to myself that this entity or this being is not separate from me somehow.

That's that's just like the knowing or the feeling I had in this experience and I heard and you know, I went to c CD and all that, but I was not somebody who was like religious in that sense.

I was into consciousness and stuff, but I was not like a Christian or like I wasn't like a Catholic technically, but I didn't go to church and whatnot at that point.

But I heard the the kind of message or again, it was a whole feeling to it, and everything said God is all there is, ever was, and ever will be.

And I had this weird transcendental experience from there where I experienced time spherically with the past, the president, and the future simultaneously.

And then from there it's like my reality reset and all of a sudden, I'm in the air looking down at the accident.

It's hard to describe the series of events linearly, so I apologize for that.

But at that point I'm looking down at the accident, I see the car, and I'm thinking to myself, oh, so this is it.

Like I was conscious and aware and I'm looking down at the accident outside of my body, apparently thinking that I had passed away.

And you know, I'm you know, that's that's the thought that I had.

And again I was conscious, just as I'm conscious now, and I was even had reflective thinking to think I had passed away.

But I I was totally cool with it.

There was no sense of like mourning or regret or anything.

It was I was just totally cool with it.

It felt like everything was perfect.

And after a few moments of that, I'm I just zoomed back in my body and then i wake up and I'm in the ambulance and I'm like, oh my God, like I'm actually alive, right, yeah, And so I, you know, I went to the hospital.

I stayed there for a day.

They let me out the next day, and I was just grateful to be alive, like I was.

I was really considering at that point, like wow, I I could I could not be here right now, right.

I was just super grateful to be alive.

And I'm like, it felt like a miracle to to to be in this existence basically, like to be alive and to be a human and to be you know, somewhat fortunate, I guess, And you know, I, you know, after that trauma induced out of body experience, and I don't know if it's because I hit my head in the car accident or what But I I felt physically different, like like people talk about like high high high vibrations and all that.

Like I had an energetic buzzing in my body that was like a lading, right.

It was.

It was like super positive, and you know, and again I'm also feeling these like the feelings of gratefulness and whatnot.

So later on that evening, this is the day after the accident, I'm just in my room, cleaning my room, just grateful to be alive.

I'm just like thinking like, oh, I'm just so happy and grateful to be doing like these menial tasks, right, the most simplest things is this is like the greatest miracle.

And as I'm contemplating that, all of a sudden, I get what I would call telepathic lock on of It's you know, there's like a voice, but a feeling and a visual overlay of these two Nordic entities they said come outside.

But it's it's the moment that that connection was made, you know, It's like our consciousnesses were melded together or something.

I knew what was going to happen.

It's and again my eyes were opened and I'm looking in my room, but there was this simultaneous overlay in my conscious awareness of these two entities, and I got a whole download.

And it's really hard to describe this linearly because everything is happening simultaneously.

Where I'm receiving this download, I have this this telepathic lock on with these non human intelligences and they, you know, I at least felt that I could feel what they were feeling and whatnot, and like our consciousnesses were merged and there was no kind of there's no question what they were communicating, at least in the ex experience.

So I when as soon as I heard the cut and again there was a physical feeling sensation to this whole thing, like a people talk about like a Kundalini experience or Kundalini awakening.

I had this.

I was already buzzing from the you know, after I had the trauma induced OBE.

But this whole thing was like a reactivation that like multiplied it ten times over of like energy and Kundalini and that kind of thing throughout my body.

But as soon as I heard and I felt this telepathic lock on, I you know, I started going right outside and you know, I get outside and there's some tree coverage, so I'm walking, oh, you know, through so I can look up into the sky.

And before I can even look into the sky, I hear like a low basy hum.

It's like voom voom and uh.

And when when it's making that that kind of base, I feel that, I feel it through my through my body.

And as soon as I make it through and I can look up into the sky, I see what looks like like a hexagonal craft that it had lights, multicolor lights all around the edges, like bleeding around the edges, and there was like a perfectly white square light fixture in the center, and it was it looked like a metal craft that was very like dark metal gray, a very dark gray metal, and it, you know, it was just slowly moving.

And at this point I'm just like, you know, I'm kind of blown away because again I said, there's this download going on where I'm getting what I can call impressions or communication from these entities there where they're communicating that they are related to us somehow and that you know, they're here with basically good intentions and they want people to know about them, which I'll cave youat a little bit later on and say, I don't know it, you know, if if I'm interpreting that, if they're manipulating my perception somehow, or if it's completely genuine.

During this experience, it felt very genuine, and I was taking it at face value.

But I so there's some stairs down there.

I went down the stairs to get into my driveway so I can have a better view of the sky and I get my driveway and this thing's just still gliding over and it as I'm watching it, it instantaneously de materializes or disappears and then reappears, you know, maybe a thousand feet away over this man made lake that was across the street from my house at the time.

And when it reappeared over there, I saw that there were two other crafts that were exactly like identical to it, with the lights going around it, and they're just like moving around slowly in the sky.

And again I have this download thing going on this entire time, and this energetic thing, and at this point, I'm I'm really thinking, like did I hit my head so hard in that accident that I'm imagining this, because this is just freaking up.

This is insane.

So I was like, somebody has to see this, right, So I ran into my house and I had two family members there and I said, guys, you have to you got to come outside.

And they said why and I said, they're here.

They said, who's here?

I said, just come outside, and they come outside and they come out into the driveway with me, and they see these three crafts and for like twenty minutes there's this display of sorts with there's you know, they're slowly moving around and one of them would disappear and then reappear over here, and again the lights are going around, and you know, we're all just shocked, right, And in my mind, I'm thinking, like this is going to be all over the news.

This is like people are going to know about the at the time, I'm thinking extraterrestrials, Like people are going to know about the reality of like aliens or extraterrestrials or visiting us.

And this is it.

You know, I didn't have the term in two thousand and seven so much, but I'm like, this is like disclosure, right, this is it.

And you know, apparently, you know the next day there's no kind of announcement to that.

But the whole way that this kind of demonstration or incident or event ended was that one of them disappeared, and then there's two more, these two of these UFOs with the lights going around them, and they're starting to head towards each other and I'm like, holy crap.

I was like, they're gonna crash.

And as soon as they made contact, they just both vanished and that was it and it was over.

And I you know, I was like shock, basically.

Can you can you hold just one second?

Because I've heard the exact story from a gentleman named Albert Wayne.

Now Albert Wayne had an amazing UFO encounter.

Wayne was on his way to New York City from Connecticut, but he told me about being young, not really young, but you know, I guess perhaps preteen, I'm not really sure, sitting on a porch with his parents and his uncle and they saw these two UAP like coming right after and these the UFOs or whatever, and they're coming right at each other and just like you're exactly like you're explaining, and exactly the same thing happened.

Yeah, And that I mean I I was.

I was shocked.

And I actually have another friend who I ended up doing CE five, but he's an experience or he saw something exactly the same.

I don't know why that is.

But again in my mind, I'm thinking that they're gonna crash.

Like I was thinking my head, holy shit, they're gonna crash.

That's just what.

Yeah.

Yeah, And as soon as they made contact, they just both deemed like vanished.

That's it.

So that those series of events, and again I was having this download or telepathic lock on and communication?

Can you explain?

Sorry, can you explain what you mean?

So are you explaining by saying it felt like a telepathic communication or what do you consider a download would be?

I mean, how do you what's the difference?

Uh?

I say download because it's not just like like you you hear a voice and you say, like a voice in your head just says like hello or even come outside.

There was emotion and uh all all, I guess again that communication there was like I guess, you know, the mystic Rudolph Steiner or somebody had called that no, you know, a packed thought for him.

So it's there's there's just like way more to it than than that.

It's it's like I say it download because it's like a ton of there's this whole communication about how they're related to us.

And again that they're they're here with good intentions.

They want people to know about them.

Again this and it's it's really hard to expan And there was this feeling of compassion and like a familial kind of connection, uh in the whole thing.

Right.

It was a non nonverbal, non auditory, kinesthetic emotional communication.

Right that like, if I'm talking to you right now, you can hear what I'm saying.

That's like one layer of communication.

There were several layers of communication going on here that seemed like a million times superior to verbal language.

It seems so direct, but it also seemed natural.

Right.

If you if you've ever heard the Telepathy tapes, the way that they describe telepathy and in different episodes of the Telepathy Tapes is exactly what I had experienced with with non human intelligence.

Right.

It's just it's not just an auditory message.

Hmmm, okay, all right, So that's yeah, when I say download, that's that's kind of what I'm trying to relay.

But it's it's unless you've experienced it, it's really hard to put into words.

The best way I can say it is, there's that there's again, these several layers to the communication, that's just it's not just auditory, right, It's there's like emotion and as if like there's like an entire concept that's just downloaded into you.

Now, do you have to have any siblings?

Are you an only child?

Do you have siblings?

I have two siblings.

Do they ever experience any of what you're experiencing at all?

If you don't be asking?

So what one of one of them was there for this event and and and events that happened afterwards.

Uh, so they've seen this.

One one of my siblings is i'll just call them an intuitive one of my sisters.

Ah.

But the other one she she doesn't really so we it's like we think we're all different.

But you know again that they they've been there for they were there, well one of them was there for this event, and uh, for other events that happened afterwards.

And how about had anyone of your siblings felt as though that they actually had some type of communication or was it just witnessing the event itself?

For them, it was it was just witnessing it.

I found out after this this event occurred, because obviously we were talking about it, that my mom had had a UFO sighting in Queens in the nineteen seventies, in the late seventies.

So I you know, again, I didn't know that my whole life until after this event had occurred.

And she had told me that because I was we were talking about the event.

Did she explain what her sighting was like?

She said, it was a It was a red UFO in Queens.

It was just like a red orb.

And she, you know, she was familiar with the air traffic as she lived in Queens, so she would see planes every day right low and stuff, and she said this was completely different and it was a red orb.

And her you know, her friend and her cousin were there and they were all kind of spooked by it, right, they were fascinated, but it was kind of like maybe because it was the time, you know, the era in the seventies, but they seemed I don't want to say scared, but you know, a little cautious about it.

But that that was it.

Mm hmm.

Interesting.

So why would you suppose so many things seem to happen to you?

I mean, it seems like you've had a lot happen.

Right, and you know this gets a little bit too.

I guess what you can was you know, Ray hernandez and and Ed Mitchell and had the Free the Foundation for Research into Extraordinary Experiences.

They did a study.

I know people will say it's flawed, and I understand that it's not perfect, but it is an example and an effort of what kind of research should be done.

Is that it's it's alarming that you know, it's somebody has a UFO siting is one thing, and that's like pretty amazing, but you know a number of people who have UFOs I things also happen to have a near death experience, right, and also end up having some kind of like poultrygeist or SI experience.

So my own impression is that after having one of these experiences, whatever whichever one it is, your aperture opens right, whether it's an out of body experience or a near death experience or UFO encounter.

I think that once you have one of these kind of experiences, that your aperture and so what you can consider subtle reality opens right, and just just knowing or having an open mind to it, I think is more likely.

For it's happened for me personally, I mean I can't say why why it happened to me.

I mean that That's one of the questions that drove me to really try to figure out what's going on is because I don't necessarily know exactly why, but you know, I didn't.

I didn't know until after doing research that it's it's common for individuals who have a UFO and ketterine ND or something akin to that have the other experiences.

So just I want to thank everyone in chat and this doctor not again.

You can be a little kinder to other people in there, otherwise I'm going to bump you out just to let you know.

So here's a question for you.

Here.

Are you able to explain what protocol is for yourself when you try to make contact since it can be so different between person and person.

Yeah, and you know, I after those series of events that occurred, I got really into C five and people will know the C five protocol is one thing that that's a whole I mean, maybe that's a whole nother podcast really because I ended up going out with C set and doctor Stephen Greer learning that and using what's called the C five protocols.

But after I think anybody that goes out to do contact work well, eventually, if they experiment enough, they're going to come to their own practice or what works for them for me.

Uh.

You know, there's there's a practice in Buddhism called meta or you know even what heart the Heart Math Institute calls heart rate variability, where you're getting into like a state of gratitude, uh, and from from that state of gratitude and openness, you know, setting the intention to have an interaction with UFOs or non human intelligence, and you can use a visualization that goes along with that of a UFO or your perceived image of non human intelligence and inviting them for an encounter.

That's like a simplistic thing that works for me very good.

You know.

I was my producer better half, and I were with the Tedesco brothers out on Long Island and they had all their equipment set up.

And then I was with doctor Kevin Taylor too.

He was there as well, and we were all down on the beach.

We're sitting in all these chairs and you could see way out into the ocean, had a nice view of the sky and everything.

And I actually tried like the meditation or whatever it was inviting, and so did Donna.

We're both sitting there just trying something.

Come on in and all of a sudden, I thought something happened ended up being a boat way out there.

But the day after, so there was two days.

That was a Friday and the Saturday.

They get all kinds of of footage of you know, things that were very very interesting.

I'll put it at that.

And yeah, there there's going to be some interesting news about the Disco Brothers that's going to be coming out, which is I'm really happy for them.

And I can't even tease it because I was sworn to secrecy, but I can just say that the government is, I'll put it this way, to get to give a little bit of it, the government is thankful that they're doing what they're doing, which is great.

Yeah.

I might have been invited out to that event because I'm over here in New York and there's an individual who said, do you want to come out with them?

And you know, my work schedule, I wasn't able to do it.

But I'm excited to hear about that when that comes out, and hopefully I actually have them on engaging the phenomenon sometimes because that's yeah, yeah.

Yep, yep.

They're they're very willing to be on be on show, so sure, I can actually think that connection with you.

Here's another question for you.

Do you think that UAPs and supposed that aliens are what it's described as angels and demons, not aliens visiting the earth tricking humanity into giving up our souls.

That's an interesting question comment.

Yeah, So, since I've had a variety of experiences, and you know what I explained here, we have a short time is like scratching the surface.

I've had many, many, many, many other experiences and including with the C five and other stuff, and so I do have a bit of an informed opinion on this, and I'll say that I don't think it's just one thing.

I don't think, you know, all the accounts of angels are what we consider nowadays as extraterrestrials or non human intelligence.

I do think there are a variety of beings right as to you know, uh, doctor Diana Pasoka and even carlmel And and and Timothy Taylor and American Cosmic we're talking about our hierarchy of beings.

Uh.

I think that framework for hierarchy of beings is simplistic but informal in the sense it gives people an idea that there's a variety of intelligences and we're probably somewhere in the middle, right.

Mm hmm.

I wouldn't offer that high, but yes.

I know what you mean.

But I mean, if we're if we're considering also like microbial life, and.

Yeah, you know, we're kind of like in.

Like Eastern traditions, they actually say it's it's extremely fortunate to be a human because we experienced just the right amount of suffering that we want to ascend to a higher level of intelligence, whereas like if you're in the angelic realm, there's no desire to move up.

You're in a more blissful reality.

I think we're just above the amiba.

Really, that's how I feel sometimes, yeah, by the way we treat each other.

But yeah, true, it's true.

I know.

So how many years have you run your show.

So engaging the phenomenon.

I created my channel in like twenty eighteen.

I started doing formal interviews in twenty twenty one.

But I mean I was I was talking with like Richard Dolan back in like two thousand and nine, twenty ten, and even back then, I was interviewing people, but I was doing it privately, you know, I was I was doing private interviews and meeting with experiencers and C five field workers.

And I did that for many years and pretty intensely my I didn't have kids then, and I, you know, I didn't have my job, wasn't as involved, and I worked closer to home.

So I was basically doing this stuff like pretty hardcore back then.

And so I started my show kind of laid on, but by that point I was already pretty heavily involved.

All right, So we get about five minutes, but I want to go go back to your I believe you said it seemed to be a hexagonal shape craft.

Uh, and then there was two other identical ones.

Can we go back to that sighting?

And uh, if you could just tell me approximately where where was that in compared to where you live?

Was that in New York?

Yes?

Yes, yes?

And were there besides the people that witness it with you?

Do you know of other people did it reporting it?

Or I looked at I was looking because we have a local paper over here, and I was looking in it like every week, and it never came up, and there was never anything in like Channel twelve news about it.

So I don't I don't know if anybody else had had seen it.

But I again during the experience, in my mind, I thought that everybody was seeing this stuff that event.

I just I didn't even think twice about it because it was so obvious.

So yeah, the the I say hexagonal, But I also want to clarify the the edges were rounded, so it's you know, there were flat kind of edges to it, but there was never like a sharp edge.

It was all that like they were like this, but it was rounded like you know, it looked it looked like like a disc, right, that's way like a wedge or however you want to say it.

But they the edges were rounded, not sharp.

Mm hmm.

And did you how about sound?

Did you hear any sound from them at all?

At the very beginning when the one because the win it was above me, it was right above the trees, and it was that it had It was less than one hundred and twenty feet in the air at that point, and it had a low base hum.

And again when it was when it had that basic hum, it was like voom voom voom like that, I felt reverberating through my body.

But when once it dematerialized and when a thousand feet away, there was no you couldn't hear it.

You didn't feel anything, did you any type of pressure of any kind er.

I felt vibrations through my body, and again it was a whole kundalini energetic thing.

But also like the when it was that closed, I felt a pulsing in my body.

Yeah.

There was someone on the show recently that said that they had a like a telecommunication from some entity of some kind and they felt it like it wasn't like in the mind, he said, it was more like an here.

I felt it throughout my entire body, throughout my entire body.

And that's what I was trying to explain about the telepathy.

It's not just an auditory thing.

You can feel it emotionally.

You can feel it physically in your body, but also like your field, if I can say that.

And where the trees, it's a good question.

Where the trees moving at all?

I didn't.

I didn't see them move, but my eyes were not really looking at the trees.

My focus and attention was on the object, so I didn't.

I didn't.

I understand, I don't, but I don't.

Recollect hearing the trees moving from the craft or anything.

But I really don't know.

Because I was just I was really like, all my attention was on the object.

Right, And I totally get that.

And what year would you say this was?

This was two thousand and seven.

Two thousand and seven, so that's the same year I had my sighting, by the way, you know, mine was more towards the fall as strangest thing.

Most people know exactly the date and everything, and I know, I think mine was either in October or November, but I'm not positive, you know, And so I wish I had the exact date.

But I did look it up through mouf on to see if there was any sightings in that area, and there was in November, but they thought they saw more of a like a cigar shaped situation.

But I've also heard people say that a disc at a distance looks like a cigar.

So I don't know, you know, perhaps the same sighting it was.

It would be awful hard to tell at this point, right, Did you since you had it like an interest at that time, did you consider reporting it?

I?

I didn't.

I didn't consider reporting it.

I first, I you know, I'm maybe it's my generation as a millennial, but I just like my thing about you know, like authority organizations and stuff is not not my my pathway even I you know, you know, for better or worse.

And this is not to knock anybody, but I was never in to move on per se.

Just again, maybe it's it's a generational thing, but my thinking about like or you know, big organizations like that is never like in you know, and it didn't appeal to me.

Yeah, I understand.

I just say, okay, all right, well, hey, thanks so much so your your YouTube channel is engaging in the phenomenon and it's linked down in the show notes below and in the text below.

So I want to thank you so much for coming on the show.

Yeah, thanks, thanks for having me again.

You know, podcast UFO is a legendary amongst the you know UFO research crowd.

Oh thanks so much.

That's very nicey to say.

All right, you take care now, and hopefully we'll see in Pine Bush one year.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I'm like an hour away.

Yeah all right, all right, take care, Yeah, all right, all right, everyone, So next Tuesday, it's going to be myself UFO Jack I'm pretty sure he's gonna be there, and Peter Robbins and possibly another guest talking about the Exeter UFO incident and the following Thursday is going to be Jean and Natalia Sticko.

They're going to be talking about Soviet documents related to UFOs and it's going to be an interesting show.

So thank you so much and remember to keep your eyes to this.

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