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She's the Prime Minister's in the cranky mood.

I wonder why the spot all the efforts to change the subject.

The Minister for Freebies still haunting him wherever he goes because he keeps taking her with him.

Surprise, surprise, they'll probably ask about her.

There's some rather snobbish things being said about people who live in the outer suburbs of our cities, specifically Melbourne, but this applies to everywhere where we are on air tonight and Australian pride.

I mentioned this a couple of nights ago, but let's dig a little deeper.

A quarter of people say they are not proud to be Australian.

Well, obviously they're wrong.

But why we'll get to it all very very shortly.

Before we get to the Minister for Freebies and a whole bunch of other things, Let's talk about youth crime, specifically crime in Queensland and an idea that looks like it is going to work, and it is going to move from a trial phrase to semi permanent.

Now a decision has been made and laws ne been passed through the Queensland Parliament that yes, kids as young as ten are going to end up being fitted with ankle bracelets.

It made some headlines.

Today children as young as ten could be shackled with ankle monitors.

So what can order a child as young as ten years old to wear one of these ankle monitors?

Now, in some of the reporting in all of this, and I'll get to this a little bit later, there's of course great emphasis about how young the kids are, and in terms like shackled, makes it seem like, well, anyone who looks at a police officer the wrong way is the one that will end up being twenty four to seven monitored.

You know that's not the case, and that is why the premiere says it's an option.

It's not guaranteed, it's not definite that every person of that age who goes before a court.

But when somebody's got a bit of a long list of offending, you've got to keep an eye on them.

And that's what the Premiere is planning to do.

Our heart is in bail reform, and this is the first of further reforms that will be coming to make sure that there are consequences for people who don't comply with that.

And I've spoken about what solving the youth kind crisis looks like to us.

It is more police, it's early intervention, it's rehabilitation.

It's making sure that at every element there is an opportunity to make sure that we can turn a young person's life around.

Now, all of the usual are civil liberties groups, human rights people are saying this is a horrible and draconian thing to do.

What a terrible sign of a society that's lost its way.

But guess what if you know where people whom have been charged of crimes, who may well have committed previous crimes, if you're going to have an eye on them twenty four to seven, guess what happens.

The likelihood of them going on to commit further offenses while waiting for the court process to play out has fallen as a result of those ankle monitors.

Here's some of the details which are around today.

The trial found that devices led to a positive outcome for recidivism, meaning twenty four percent reduction in the likelihood of offending twenty six percent reduction in offenses occurring that involve victims.

So again, basically, a quarter of the people who have this on them don't commit more crime while they are currently going through the revolving door of the youth justice system.

The devices also led to reduce time in youth custody, with individuals wearing bracelets spending twenty eight days less in custody than previous three months.

The report noted that the devices were most successful in reducing recidivism when individuals were engaged with other wrap around bail support services designed to assist youth offenders.

And that's the point now again, all of us want to make sure that kids that have gone right off track do not end up going to criminal tathe and staying inside jails until eventually they learn no other way of life.

We want to make sure that the kids who end up being sent to detention are the ones who have committed serious crimes.

But the reality is is that the only people whom this will affect are people who have been found to have committed a string of offenses that are longer longer than your arms, and that is amazing to say while we are talking about some kids in Queensland by the age of ten.

As the father of a ten year old, the concept of my child committing a crime, let alone someone their age have been committing so many crimes the jail becomes an option, or that they could be involved in serious crimes where jail is the only option because of how serious the crimes are.

In part is because there are very few options between the slap on the wrist or the slam of the jail cell behind them.

We need to develop as many steps as possible, not to weaken down the justice system, but to make sure that there are options.

If knowing where kids who are right on the edge are twenty four to seven is the option for some of them, then it seems like it is the best option.

What's also good is that we looked around today for somebody on camera that was willing to talk against these choices.

We couldn't find them anywhere.

It doesn't mean that people don't disagree with some of it, that there aren't some grumblings from some parts of the community on the philosophical level, but because the evidence shows that it's not just a spoonful of cement and a kick in the backside, but an actual solution to part of the youth crime problem in Queensland.

Well, perhaps that's why they either weren't brave enough or they weren't stupid enough to get in front of a camera day to talk down it seems to be a good idea.

Yet again confirmation that Queensland made the right decision when last year they changed the government from one that talked about this garbage as something that they would be able to fix, that being used crime, to one that is actually trying, trying everything they can, including with dedicated ministers.

I like this again, before I get to the obvious and what you expect me to talk about tonight, there's another hit coming for the retirees of this country.

For people who might have a house that they own, but of course because they live in it, there is no money that comes from it.

They of course could be the self funded retirees who are leaving four fifths of bugger or pressure on the system, or people who may well be getting some sort of a pension, where of course your constant worry is how many hours can I work?

How much money can I have in the bank, how much is the house particularly worth, Well, all of that matters.

Well, there's a thing called deeming rates, where essentially calculations are done about how many assets that you have and about how much access that gives you to the welfare system via an age, pension, cares, pension, etc.

Etc.

But a decision was made during the pandemic times to make sure that people on these fixed incomes, be they the people who are getting it out of this super fun because they are able on a masset during their life, or the people who hang on to every single sentmhen it comes to the pension.

In fact, this is not a dark remnants of the COVID era.

It is one that just last year the Treasurer was saying was important, which was to freeze deeming rates to essentially make life just that little bit easier for people in the back nine of their life.

We're also continuing the freeze on social security deeming rates.

Well, guess what's happening.

They are changing the rules.

The freeze is over and as you know, as we reported a little earlier this year, that these things are now making their way up an initial increase of zero point five of eight percent.

So yes, it's a small change but still important.

This meant that it apparently saved the budget one point eight billion dollars.

Why because that's one point eight billion dollars in help for self funded or pension related retirees that didn't need to be paid out, meaning the retirees of Australia one point eight billion dollars poorer.

The goverment side at the end of the inflation crisis as the reason to move on.

Previously it had kept the rates at COVID levels to help with post pandemic cost of living crisis.

Well, last time I checked, inflation is a massive problem.

Now cost of living will did it ever go away?

And the people most affected by it to those on those fixed incomes.

Now we got another report that inflation is now the highest that it's been in the best part of twelve months.

And it's in a scenario where because everything costs more, the small amount of money that you are locked into goes well less than it ever has and it may well get worse.

Why because the inflation genie is out of the bottle.

The government's little paper over band aid solution when it came to power bills is going to disappear.

Power bills will increase anyway, but they're also going to in all of these metrics over perform in their increases because of the artificial way they were being held back for the past couple of years.

In fact, inflation is now such an issue that there is no plan for a rate cut anytime soon, and there is an even money chance of a rate rise.

Next to you.

Headline inflation is very much swung around by the on and off of the electricity rebates, and we're not expecting headline inflation to come back down below three for another twelve months effectively.

Well, guess what the news that has broken today is that it's happening again.

It's not just the one that took place a little earlier this year.

There is going to be another one next year, and it won't just be once a year.

Pensioners with our sets are said to be hit with a second successive time.

You'll cop this in March, with the government confident of an increase in the deeming rate despite the outsourcing of a decision to an independent body.

Because of course this government or doesn't want to own any crappy decisions, they pretend, oh it's all arm's length, who pays them or the government, meaning you still control them.

Yeah, that's the case.

The government has also decided that the deeming rate, which had been frozen at record lows for years, was increased last September, will be adjusted every September and every March.

So again, what little money you have, they are going to put you back through the ring as if there was no inflation, as if we were still where we were four years ago.

This will be on the same day as pension indexation to inflation, ensuring that the impact of any increase to the deeming rate will be masked by an increase to the pension.

Now, of course, what this really means is that if previously holding on to the deeming rates and freezing them was costing the budget money, by letting it go up, it means it's not costing as much, meaning who pays.

You.

Is it going to be the difference between you being able to have the power on or not.

I don't know.

I certainly think that it is going to be yet another financial concern for lots of people.

Your circumstances will be very specific and whether or not those increases to the pension which happen annually are going to mask all of this, But of course the reality is that if your home is worth more every twelve months than it was in the previous twelve months, well then you know how the system starts to turn and fiddle.

Deeming rates are a one size fits all estimate of the income people earn on their financial assets such as property and term deposits, because god forbid, you were saving money, which affect the calculations for their Social security payments, including the age pension, job seeker and parenting payments.

Why politically is it okay to start coming after people who have already paid tax all their life.

Why is it politically okay for the deming rates, which were a virtue when the government was freezing them, to now not be a problem when they are going to increase in the space of eighteen months, not once, not twice, but three times, two Septembers and a March.

Well, because much of the media only has one view of people of a certain age, and you know how insulting that view can be, okay, the.

Boomer generation of values of like baby boomers, The first thing that I think of is kind of just the whole hard work gets you pretty much anywhere mindset, and I just feel like that's so toxic.

Toxic, right you're watching us right now because of the hard work that you put in in life to be able to be sitting exactly where you are right now, to be able to be watching us as you are right now, from the house you're in too, the chair you're sitting on.

Oh no, no, that's all toxic logic.

Please again, before I get to the obvious, some other things that are across the desk tonight, I want to talk about some snobbery around people who live on the fringes of our major cities, but specifically in Melbourne.

Now.

I know many people watch us there and it is a beautiful city.

We love, of course the mayor, but we know there's a lot of problems that happen in Melbourne right now.

But a perfect example right now.

Again, forgive me if I don't get my pronunciations one hundred percent right.

But of course in Fitzroy, the median house price is one point five million dollars.

Why because it's really close to the city Craigie Burn much further out, a little closer to the airport, not quite sundry.

But you know what I'm talking about here the median house bry six hundred and ninety thousand dollars, and no doubt the people in Fitzroy, yes, mega lefties, but still comfortable, love their kids just like everyone else has to the people in Craigieburn and everywhere else.

But what about this thing that I've been meaning to get to all week from the age, the two hundred and sixty five million dollar commute, how urban sprawl is crossing Melbourne?

So I thought upon the headline, Well, this has all got to be about tolls, right, and the cost of running a vehicle and the registration and the petrol.

And that's what the two hundred and sixty five million dollars is right?

Oh no, it's all about ukulaimate change.

Malbernians in outer suburb areas generate fourteen times more carbon emissions than those in the inny city that are well served by public transport.

Can you believe how arrogant this is?

Now?

Again, we live where we live, in part by choice, but most of us by circumstance.

And if you can live a minute away from work, then good on you.

If work is all over the city and you choose to live somewhere so you can get a bigger joint a little further out from town grade.

Or if the one on the fringe of the city is the one that you can afford, then great, you've made that house your home and you'll be celebrating Christmas with family and friends.

But again, the idea that the leftier, the voter, the woker the suburb all has to do with climate change when remember we as an entire country, everything from mining to transport to cows farting is one percent of the world's climate problem.

Again, we read on providing better links between public transport, housing and jobs would cut a missions by eighty percent according to the new Monas University research.

Well, jeez, thanks scoop.

If people had houses closer to their work, and therefore they had a train that dropped them off at the front door, wouldn't this be great?

But in cities of millions of people, that's not going to happen.

Suburban rail loop, which is already costing way too much money, well, that is going to open up more people's access to public transport.

But some people need to understand that one of the reasons people own cars is because their families live on the other side of town and they don't want to catch a bus, tram or anything else to go and see them.

God forbid.

They want to go and do their own shopping.

Not everything is dropped off at the front door.

One more par and then we're done.

The average Melbournian contributes twenty one cents per week day to the cost of climate change, but the amount varies widely, from four cents in parts of Carlton or Docklands so right in the heart of the city were the best public transport and walking connections and fifty eight cents in backers marsh omissions generated during weekday trips around Greater Melbourne ad up to three hundred and thirty three million dollars a year in climate change costs, which include things like flood damage and treating respiratory illnesses.

Really, we are now blaming the flood uds on the people who don't live as close to the city as the people who vote green Again, how is this a surprising study that yes, a little more effort is put in to move from one part of the city to the other, but the idea that well everything should be exactly the way that it is in Fitzroy.

Please, what rubbish this, of course, could all be cut to sixty eight million dollars if everything goes the way that the researchers wish it to be.

That I see a snobbishness in all of this coverage.

I see a snobbishness about attitudes to people when it comes to age, ageism, having a go with people over a certain age, not giving them a job, pretending they're part of yesterday's political conversation.

Ageism is the one isn't that they're allowed left and the snobbish attitude that the only people who matter are the decision makers in the city and the taxpayers in the suburb.

Yes tells you everything you need to know about much of the ruling class, both in the media and in academia.

So let's talk now about the Minister for freebies and the Prime Minister who loves a freebie upgrade.

Elbow unsurprisingly, is hardly going to be cracking down on some of the garbage that we've all seen in the past couple of weeks.

Twelve hundred dollars for a government comca to wait almost ten hours on as well as watched the NRL Grand Finals, and one thousand dollars to wait seven hours at this train open Tennis also rushing to declare free tickets, including to an Oasis concert, adding to her ninety five thousand dollars trip to New York, twenty eight hundred dollars family ski trip, four thousand dollars for the cricket Paris Olympics one hundred and sixteen thousand dollars.

Yeah, I mean it is outrageous, right, Oh, but she's not as big a spender as somebody else and there's a gendered angles at plea.

Now the Prime Minister says, well, exactly what we said Monday, she declared it all Tuesday, she investigated herself.

Wednesday we introduced the social media band and they're talking about it as being something that will all be as proud of as the gun reforms post port Arthur might be the case, might be something that the rest of the world looks to us positively about.

But make no mistake, all of that focus is about trying to take your attention away from clearly the rout that is the Minister for freebie is the one who's got so many free tickets that she's got tickets on herself.

Here's part of how he tried to change the subject today because he was frankly annoyed that the story has continued into as many days as it has.

But we have an independent authority.

I'm going to allow them to do their job.

But these are rules that have been set for some period of time.

We haven't changed the rules for eighty three years.

Our parliament elected well the older Mail, all male, every seat Labor Liberal Country Party, uIP, protectionist, every single electric in your South Wales elected a bloke.

Sorry what I mean again?

This idea of trying to use gender as some sort of emotional shield is rubbish.

It is about the proverbial being taken by a person who is paid way more than the average Australian, who is paid by the average Australian, who has the power to rule over the average Australian, showing no restraint whatsoever.

She may well be entitled to.

But the whole point is that you have to make your choices about how much of it you do or don't take.

But as we know, the protection racket is there for many people in the media.

It's there of course from the Prime Minister who can never admit, don't you love how trumpy in this is?

At what point has this bloke ever admitted a mistake as prime minister?

Every minister's fine, the ones caught lying, the Ones Court, roaring the Ones court, screwing over our national security.

No one ever has to pay a penalty for what they promise in opposition but failed to deliver in government.

They have the balls to turn around and say that the inflation geniees back in the bottle while we know that things are getting tight.

The support that apparently was absolutely urgent when it came to pensioners or power bills now all mysteriously disappears.

Why because they got what they wanted, which was to get back onto the gravy train and to be there for another three years.

And the Prime Minister got tecchi today.

Why because normally the pretty compliant, prely obedient media, who have been very soft on this bloke, who never want to rock the boat, will ever so slightly.

The boat was rocked today and he doesn't like it.

Why Because he's got a glass jaw, and part of his anger is trying to send a message to the people and any people around him that this is not a story.

Do not displease me.

If you displease me, then I won't be doing interviews with you anymore, and our office won't be getting back to you when you call, which will cause trouble for you and your bosses back at the variety of newsrooms around the country.

I've answered, I've answered multiple questions on it.

Today.

I am focused.

I am focused.

What I have said very clearly is what I am focused on.

I'm focused on one of the biggest reforms.

When you look back and you know you're you'll be able to write a book maybe on the period of the Labor government.

When you look back and you look at what are the biggest things that we did, I'll tell you what this will be one of them.

And that's what makes me proud.

Thanks very much.

To me.

I mean again, this trick right, which is remember, oh Daniel Andrews isn't amazing because he did one hundred and twenty press conferences.

Yeah, but how many lies did he tell him them?

How many lies?

By omission?

Well, I've answered many questions on this.

Sorry, is there are limits to how many were allowed to ask you sir?

Now, of course what will happen is he'll disappear for the next couple of days.

Why because well, the cricket's going to start up soon and a half to be the weekend, then a lot of people will put the que in the rank next week the week after, so I wouldn't be expecting a wall of war appearance by the Prime Minister anytime soon.

And of course Anika wells well defenders in the media who are out there still pushing even to this very minute, the gender of things.

Then this thing on some levels will begin to burn out.

A hypocrisy is not something that generally speaking too many politicians, because frankly they are just as shameless as their political opponents, who they often accuse of being shameless.

And a lot of people have said, but the Prime Minister has never really invoked the pub test as a way of criticizing things in the past, so therefore invoking the pub test against the minister would not be a good idea except guess what he's done exactly that this was all back to do with Christian Porter and when they were trying to keep that alive, because remember the Liberal Party had a problem with women, despite the fact, of course Anthony Albernezi's steam roller woman to become the leader of the party, despite the fact that their treatment of Kimberly Kitchen, their treatment of Linda Reynolds, all the rest of it.

Right, Well, it doesn't pass the pub test.

It's time this minister understood that being a cabinet minister requires transparency.

This is the bloke who's trying to make it harder for you to get freedom of information laws fed inc.

The one who wanted to censor the Internet.

This is precisely the sort of issue that undermines confidence in our political system.

Well, what do you think the minister taking the proverbial like she has in well ever since she's become a minister, from the first time she went to the Melbourne Cup all the way through to today.

Fared InCom The Prime Minister once said, the standard you walked past us, the standard you accept.

This was a way of owning Scott Morrison.

Or right back at your pale, Right back at your pale now again, can we also put away this rubbish?

Oh, it's an armslength system and we'd nothing to do with it.

The arms length system is only around because of the empowering legislation that means it happens nothing in government is beyond the purview of the Parliament to change.

Perhaps the judiciary obviously, but the judiciary can be slightly hemmed in by minimum sentencing or sentencing guidelines or new laws.

But yes, it's an independent branch of our government.

But the public service is of course the functionary of the elected government.

And a system like this about how deep the gravy train is or how long the gravy train is and how deep the trophy is, well, that is a decision made by the parliament.

So is the Prime Minister planning to walk the walk to be more transparent, to make sure that this is not the sort of issue that undermines the confidence in our political system?

What do you reckon?

The rules are established, you know, we have the Independent Parliamentary Expenses Authority for a reason.

So you and other people can hide behind the idea that no matter how much you rack up, oh somebody else, somebody else, somebody else, oh independent?

Did I get four pay rises since becoming Prime minister?

And the ministers and the MPs and the opposition the whole show.

Is the tax burden on the average australiing going up?

Yes, are the deeming rates being frozen?

No?

A little help that they have supposedly said was a different when it comes to power bills.

No, no, no, you notice, their lives never get worse, their lives never get tougher.

And we can now add I work really hard to the list of the passive aggressive ways that the future Prime Minister Anika wells because you can see her backers who are backing her in now.

Well, now we can add that to the list of silly things that she has said in defense of herself.

Again for those who don't remember, I really do work very hard and try my best.

Or of course the reason why she's not responsible for the things that a minister is responsible for.

I'm still a new minister to the industry, so I would say I'm listening to everybody at the moment.

Why you don't actually have to answer a question if you don't like the question that is asked, despite the fact that we're really open and transparent and so much better than those guys, I've answered your question.

Now.

While all of this takes place, there was a report which came out today which I bet you didn't hear about on the six PM news.

Why because like Channel nine last night, what about that not one, not two, but three three packages on the social media ban?

And then of course the reporting in and around with this, which was about trying to look the other way.

We got some numbers about the number of people who have lost their job in November.

Full time employment down by a football stadium, part time up.

Once you put the numbers together, twenty one three hundred people lost their job last month.

This person who should have lost their job this month.

The Minister for Freebies nothing to see here.

Oh yeah, and about three median Australians don't have enough work Albert, she worked really hard for twelve consecutive months.

The number of Australians that are either jobless or underemployed has totaled more than three million, according to a new study.

Market research company roy Morgan has crunched the figures on pace people out of work seeking more employment over the past year and found the Australian economy is struggling to create jobs.

The Royal and Morgan estimates for the last month's show that overall unemployment and underemployment has now increased another football stadium of people to three point three million people.

So yeah, one of the reasons why we keep talking about it, no matter what the excuse is.

While you Minister like to say, I really do work very hard and try my best.

About three point three million people don't have enough work to pay the bills.

But we've turned the corner and everything's okay.

Move on to the next thing.

Nuh.

We'll stay focused on this no matter how much it annoys them.

Not because it annoys them, but because somebody's got to say it matters, and I know that's how you feel.

We break back with more lots to talk about tonight, including we're gonna have a fun little chat about perhaps the biggest sander in the world, but the one who cannot be questioned.

Well, yeah, we're going to have a chat.

We'll also talk about Aussie pride.

How does a quarter of people tell a polster they're not proud to be Australian.

It's weird.

We get to it next, pollution winners and losers as well.

Just getting started on a Thursday night here on Palmurray Live.

Thank you so much for washing, for watching for washing.

If you're doing that as well, good buck to you.

All right, you know we must maintain hygienic standards, certainly on this program.

Roscadell, Senator in New South Walesley he's the nationally joins us now a big family day.

We'll get to it why that's the case a little bit later.

The wonderful Joe Hildebrand, who of this and many other parishes.

But you can see here his podcast, read his stuff, follow him on all the socials.

Good to see him all right now.

As you know, I rip and tear when it comes to those who are professionally paid to cover politics because they are the access media.

Well today they didn't do what the Prime Minister wanted.

They actually followed up not once, not twice, but a couple of nasty questions on a topic the Prime Minister didn't want to talk about.

Minister for freebies and you're running the country.

Do you think there should be a review to see if these are Aroundmentsarion White's community?

And why don't you.

Make all Eurocrats by economy You're flights under three hours.

As recommended by a review that found this and.

Save four million figure.

Well, I haven't seen the.

Queenslanders who've been hoping for a Christmas group Christmas gift.

But Standford from the gridge, what's your response to that?

Two judges have now found the theater around and window Reynolds or false accused covering up the rape claim and your government's refusal.

On us that's approached.

What a laugh?

What a laugh?

Now, Poles tell us that the Prime Minister is of course in an even stronger position than he was post election, which of course was even stronger than even he would have thought was going to be the case at the start of the year.

But Joe, why don't they get it about this particular one right?

Why is why is sorry so hard?

Why is utter defeats of everything, no recognition anywhere that this is is the fear that the first dent in the armor somehow is the beginning of eventually the end of the armor, because it's just not politically true.

Yeah, I think so.

I think.

Often what you find when people do actually apologize, it doesn't actually even make it go away, because a haha, so you did do something wrong.

That means that you have to go, and that means you have to be sacked or resign or whatever.

And so I think often politically it is actually easier just to stand your ground, to pretend, however, Fascal it may be that there's nothing to see here and just wait for the dogs to bark and the caravan to move on, and that is I think, well, we'll have it.

The other thing, of course, is with all these travel wroughts things, and we see it happen again and again and again, right from the very first one of the Internet age with John Howard in his first term, where it eventually just engulfs every single party, and it's already engulfing you know, the Gnats, the.

Greens, everybody.

Susan Lee, of course can't really go on the because she had her own line.

But I think she can because she can say when I did the right thing, I got kicked to the back of the bus YEP.

That's what I expect, So I do what There is a virtue in that for her.

But she didn't go Yeah, no, I think once you do that, you just have people got combing through every single MP and Lake say it's only right if you're not in on it, and they're all in on it.

Well, I'm just channeling the dear richer here of lines.

Now, Ross, can you give people just a little bit of a sense here, right as a bloke who obviously has a responsibility across an entire state.

You're flying here, flying there, But some of the choices that you make where you just turn around in news coating obviously not this one right?

And have you seen other people in all different parts of the Parliament who metaphorically pull out the credit card and you're amazed at just the balls they've got to do it?

Well, it's everywhere.

But just because you can do something in the rules doesn't mean you should.

I went looking for metaphors today and apparently I can get on a horse and ride drunk in New South Wales.

Doesn't mean I should do that.

And that's what we find is.

That integrity of sitting there with people saying, hey, that's not good and it's hard mate.

I had to go to the back of Burr literally the back of Burke out the Louth to look at a weird because I'm water shadow and there was no physical way of getting there without driving five days or a charter.

There are some tough gigs, but if you're there and you're getting it, the entitlement of getting a com card wait ten hours or seven hours means you're not important than I am.

And that's to not do it once, but do it twice.

Those decisions of entitlement are what we really got to watch out for and I see it all the time, just in the little things.

If you sit either at the House of Reps or the Senator's entrance and you watch the people that walk through security because they've got the badge of entitlement on not even give a damn because they think they can.

We have to get back to everyone is doing it tough out there.

People are working three jobs.

People can't afford to get through.

Everyone's job has some problems.

And if you think you can get away with something so you do it, that's not reasonable.

You shouldn't be there if you're entitled.

As soon as you think you deserve to be in Parliament House, you should be getting out of the way.

And I'll make stuff up.

So I'm sure sometimes someone will play this clip back in the day when I stuff up a travel claimer or I do something like that.

If you can't say, yep, I stuffed up, here's what I'm going to do, just move on.

Well, and again, you know, Joe, I suppose something that rankors me right is how they presented themselves in opposition versus the reality right and has everyone done that?

Sure, but that doesn't excuse why you get to do it right.

There's a report about jobs for the boys that says, hey, change the system.

They say, no, I'm not going to do it.

We're going to be more transparent than everyone else, far more opaque, right, yeah, exactly like FOI And you know the pub test is invoked previously as always in opposition, but now we're not going to change the system.

When it comes to travel again, it is this.

It is frankly trumpy in the idea that all questions must be flushed down the toot unless I know what the answer is is pretty freaking arrogant.

And I don't understand why, at the height of your powers, you need to be that arrogant.

Yeah, well, I think I suppose it's you know, they say, if you want to know the true character of someone, don't put them through hardship.

Just give them absolute power and you'll see what they want to excellent.

I think, well, certain, I agree with every think.

I think it's a bit more to be honest.

I find labor in opposition, or at least labor when it is trying to be holier than.

Now, absolutely nauseating.

I cannot stand it.

But that means they have to be out of their own state.

The reasons I much prefer laboring govenment is because they can't afford to be holier than now, and you don't have that sort of ridiculous sort of get up type m jumping up and down and saying, you know, we need more transparency and we need to be more so inevitably.

And I also, to be honest, think it is a good thing that like the Britney.

Higgins affair, has burnt Labour's fingers because it has shown just how dangerous.

But it's not showing any issues of morality.

But he stands there in bretends the two judges haven't burnt them.

He stands inside, not the druids.

Look, but I think I think everyone in labor.

I mean you would have to be blind, deaf and dumb with both your I.

Think it's one of those things that have realized, if you're paying attention, you are starting to get annoyed with what is happening.

If as the majority, the extreme majority of people in Australia, which is yeah, okay, cool, yeap, once every three years, I like that one.

I don't like that one.

And then they're not involved in the day to day Then they start to have a different view.

But when that dam breaks, it does break pretty big essential poll yesterday and spent something.

Can I go?

You go?

Ross?

Yeah, I think on this the damn is breaking.

You know, if the people out there, you're listeners, if they're getting a loophole in a rule, we are the first to come down on say now that's Rubbi's that's not what we want.

This crap.

We're going to fix it.

We have a loophole in our rule.

There is only one way to fix this, and that's to change the regulations and to pretend that it's independent.

We can't do it.

It's rubbish.

If people have got this now too far in the trough.

We have to fix it.

In a central pole.

Yesterday, twenty four percent of people, when are asked are you proud to be an Australian say no.

They disagree or strongly disagree.

Now, Ross, I'm not suggesting that we know whom these people are right, and that's obviously a sample of a sample of a sample.

Right, But even if you think that there's economic inequality, social inequality, that the power systems need to whatever the right on of everything is right, how do you not conclude that you are proud to be Australian when all of us, every single day, be it in our palm, via the phone or on the telly, sees how really hard it is in other parts of the world.

How does a quarter of people come back with they're not proud to be Australian.

I think a lot of people don't know what it's like to be anything else.

When you see the number of people that want to come here because the opportunities we ask when you see our climate, when you see our social security system, our safety, and it's when you see all of these things, the ability to have a vote, to have a say to change what Australia is.

If you can't be loving Australia, if you can't be proud, I get not loving.

But if you can't be proud of what we have the ability to change it, it really questions.

I think they're the people out there that want to tell you and me and all of us how we should live our lives.

The reason they're not proud is that they aren't in control.

They're trying to get more control.

I've just come from and you mentioned it earlier, my son's passing out parade at Cadets.

I saw sixty young Australians, young men and women who were there, who were proud to be there, proud to put in some service.

I saw their parents.

They aren't these people.

They just want to be able to live their lives.

What we're worried about is these people that say I'm not proud because you aren't doing what I want you to do.

And they're the wrong people.

But they're the people getting more and more control, and that's the concern.

Let's not muck around.

If we've got the photo, let's have a look at your boy with cadets today.

As you say, plenty of proud Australians there.

Give him a shout out, give him a proper one.

If we can't put the picture up, that would be great.

But year rossn you go tell us about your beautiful boys standards looking great.

He's doing good.

Young Mitchie's a good son.

Well done.

Make congratulations and congratulations to the family.

Jeez, look at that.

Do you wish do you remembered if my son?

Have you understood that straight?

I would never in my life.

That's right.

I'm probably the one passed out underneath it.

We have a different sort of passing out parade.

All right winner and loser this week?

Mate to who look, obviously you'd have to say Anika Wells has got to be the loser.

It's been absolutely appalling.

And for the winner, I'll go, oh, you know what, I'm going to go for my beloved one of my many beloved bosses, Anna called wash is one of the key architects of the Let There Be Kids campaign and we just had that emblazoned by Chris Min who can just do no wrong.

He's amazing over the Harbor Bridge and with what world first legislation that is coming into effect today, thank you.

Al other countries are looking at it.

It's an extraordinary achievement.

It's basically originated from her and a few others.

Well done, Anna, well done Whipper and those again.

Interesting you bring up Chris Mins and the Sydney Humber Bridge today he made a decision they're going to toll it both ways by the fac They've had it off a long time ago.

All right, Ross, when are a loser for you?

Mate?

We know one of your guys, Reuben Spargo, who started his whole cost of living stuff by that question at press club.

Really good question that's brought this loser for me the poor bloody com car driver that had wait ten hours for anakar sitting there in the stadium.

Well, I'd argue it extends to when she's in the car, but that's just my few all right, Thank you guys, do appreciate it.

We'll see you with this very soon.

All right, Now stand back if you're going to talk Santa next, ironically with a bloke who is normally talking to us about matters to do with the Pope.

Sata not part of any of the sixty six books, but Colin talks about him next, the best Sanna in the world.

This is the time of the week where we talking Mike Colin Flynn, who is in round but he's going to be Christmas calling this week because he's plenty to talk about, including perhaps the best Santa in the world.

I want to get his name right, Tom Connagan tell me Ben.

Yeah, you're very close, Tim Patrick Conahan.

That's a good Irish name, isn't it.

It is Bloody Iuth.

So you know, we know Santa Paul is in the North Pole.

He's working so hard now with the elves and the reindeer, getting ready for the big day.

But what we also know is that they're in Australia in my home country of Ireland.

Right around the world, Santa has other Santas that you see at the shopping centers, that you see on TV, and they help him out every year.

So I was in New York recently and I got to meet I think, who is the best Santa in the entire world because this guy, Irish American Tim Patrick Conahan, he's been doing this for over forty years and look at him there.

He's the real deal, with.

The real beard, the real big jolly belly, and the lovely twinkle in his eye, the smile, and he goes all around and does TV shows.

He's the most in demand Santa in Hollywood.

Actually, he's been on stage with Mariah Carey, he's been in Blockbuster films.

So it is incredible his story And I want to show you though, how he began, because you know, you would think maybe he got into this there in New York or somewhere else in the States, or through stage school.

But it happened back in nineteen sixty eight in a way that you would not imagine.

It was deployed to Vietnam for one year.

I was actually on an armored personal carrier that hit an ied was you know, blown off, you know, all that type of thing.

You know.

So I went through a lot of stuff.

But one of the unique parts of all of that experience was December twenty third, nineteen sixty nine.

It was two days until Christmas, and with the troops feeling homesick, Tim had an idea to cheer them up.

He took a can of shaving foam and put it on his face, pretending to be Santa.

And that was my first experience as Santa for my fellow soldiers.

Oh, these are pictures going home to our love plants.

And sometimes we were taking pictures holding the gift that they had sent to us, you know, saying hey mom, I got the socks, or hey mom, I got your tin of cookies.

That was a lot of fun.

Oh that shaving creamy thing is beautiful.

How Didny guys from being a soldier though to the best center in the world.

Yeah, that's the good story.

Poll He came back after the Vietnam War and he got a job in a little old, broken down AM radio station where they had no staff, no resources, so he had to put on a voice and be the anchorman.

And then he had to be a disc jockey, and he did all these different characters across the day from morning till night.

Someone in the local shopping mall heard him and said, can you come down and give it a go and beer Santa and the rest, as they say, is history.

He's been doing it for forty years.

But here's the thing, pol he doesn't just do.

It at Christmas.

He doesn't during Get this.

He does it during the summer as well, because he runs a school for Santa's.

You can see the clip of him and the other Santa's on a cruise ship where they gather together.

I mean, come on, they're from all over the US and they always stay in character as Santa, and they get together and they learn the best practices how to keep the magic alive, which is what it's all about.

But here's the most beautiful part of the story, Paul, because when I asked him in the interview, look what's this all about, and he said, it's not the beard, it's not the big belly, it's not the outfit.

He said, it's what's in your heart.

And even though he is so busy at this time of the year, he always makes time to visit vulnerable children and sick children in hospitals in New York, and I went along to one of them with him.

River and Alden have been very, very good this year.

I have been a good listener, taking good care of my brothers by watching out for him and taking care of him.

And I love the last part here you said thank you, and I do appreciate that.

That's very courteous.

Thank you Santa.

That is so wonderful.

Tim Spence hours meeting as many children as he can, trying to bring a little bit of the magic of Christmas to the children and their families.

Might a been a good girl.

Yeah, well, the magic is always there.

As I say, start the beer, start the suit.

What's in your heart?

So beautiful, what's in your heart?

That's what counts.

Paul, I love him, I love him no doubt.

I mean, thank you for showing us him and getting the chance to have a chat as well.

But again that look, obviously, for many millions of people, it is about the central message of faith.

For plenty of others, of course, it is all to do with the rituals and all the rest of it, or the decorations.

But what I like about again, where we went tonight.

Was having a role in making somebody else's day better is such a beautiful thing.

And the idea that he's able to do that again, Look, you know the kids in hospital.

It breaks us every time, I know, and.

I mean that is what the Christmas message is all about.

Christmas christ Mass two and a half thousand years ago, when Jesus was born in that stable, and the whole gospel message do onto others what you would like done onto yourself, and it's about hope.

That's what the whole idea of Jesus being born into the stable brings hope to the world.

Enjoy and when you see things like that, as you say, heartbreaking, what those children need at a time like this, and so many around the world as hope.

So it was so beautiful to see.

Even though he is so much in demand for big corporate events in New York, you know, paying a lot of money Hollywood and TV shows, he always, you know, takes that responsibility seriously that he's representing that magic for so many children, and he goes and visits those kids at this time of the year.

So I just thought, Paul a beautiful story that I wanted to share with.

You well, a man who's gonna knock back a chance for that, or you in the lovely red sweater as well.

Heartbrhime's well this time of year, looking good back, We'll say you again.

Nick's way, God your merry Christmas.

All right, quick break.

We will here on Pulmurray Live Loss to talk about including some interesting wildlife and I also mean that about a TV host Monu set keeping the nice thing going at the end of this week, and I hope you have a wonderful weekend ahead with family and friends.

Looking forward to a couple of very special occasions in the next few days ahead.

I'll update you on the other side of them.

I want to show you a special prize which has been handed out for the Comedy Wildlife Photography Awards.

The winner is this image of a gorilla.

I'll show you some other ones.

I like that again.

Of all of the different animal photos that we see or photography prizes that are around, there are these ones that are just very cute, very funny.

Good to see it, no doubt, were either an absolute luck of the shutter or a long time in the planning, just a reminder about how beautiful what surrounds us.

Is yes, each and every day, the Wildlife Comedy, Wildlife Awards, Photography Awards.

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