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This is Paul Murray Live.

Hello, and welcome to the show.

I'm Danikiti Giorgio filling in tonight for Paul Murray in the man Cave.

Coming up on the program, we've.

Got the All Stars on, Lucy Zelich and Stephen Conroy.

We'll get into the coalition's stalemate and how the Liberals and Nationals became a walking punchline in Question Time.

Gee, it writes itself right now.

The City of Melbourne votes to implement a you break it, you buy it rule for vandals who attack statues and memorials, but one counselor said no to enforcing the law.

I'll tell you why shortly, and we'll go live to London and catch up with Talk TV host Mark Dolan as it goes from bad to worse for the slippery Andrew Mount Batton Windsor.

Plus Bill Gates speaks for the first time since he was dragged into the Epstein files.

But first tonight, Sometimes you don't have to say anything to make a point.

Now, my play of the day goes to Liberal MP Andrew Hasty.

Look at this large book on his desk in the chamber.

It's a rather.

Large copy of the Art of War by Sun Zoo.

Now, this was written two thousand, five hundred years ago and is a book of military strategy based on Chinese warfare and military thought.

It's even considered one of the most influential texts of all time.

Now, if you ask me, that's how you make a statement without actually making a statement.

The Art of War in the middle of a coalition split, with the ongoing leadership tensions of the Liberal Party, the Art of War is playing out.

In real life.

And let's be real, hasting you exactly what he was doing today in question Time.

And now look, I was watching question Time today and I thought to myself, Wow, Jim Chalmers has had a come to Jesus moment and has maybe done some self reflection.

But he takes them seriously on the economy anymore.

Now, you must be thinking, Jim is talking about himself and labor off the back of yet another interest rate hike and a disastrous handling of the cost of living.

Crisis, or perhaps he realized it.

Nobody does take him seriously anymore when he tells us that this government has control over the economy.

But alas, no, no, no, he was talking about the coalition or the for coalition, I should say.

So, let me just paint a picture for you at home of day two of question time.

The Liberals and Nationals are divorced.

This split is set to continue indefinitely, and now there is even a growing expectation that reunification.

Is not possible.

In fact, senior figures in the Liberal Party have suggested that maybe the two former coalition partners needed to separate for an extended period of time.

So in essence, it's a mess.

The coalition can form this week with conditions that are supported by the overwhelming majority of my party room said before that the three seta there's been reinstated to shadow cabinet was.

A nondegosble was that still your busy?

It's a hard noner coalition and that's it.

We've been very clear on that because I don't know whether you just heard me before, but we did nothing wrong.

And then there's the National Party which voted against the Liberals today in the lower House to freeze the excise on spirits, opposing the Liberal Party's position on the issue.

In fact, several Liberal MPs, including Andrew Hasty, Tony Pasen, Ben Small, Terry Young and Tom Venning also broke ranks with their party's position, and so it means Hubris has well and truly set in and Labor is.

Having a ball.

I mean, here was the prime minister.

Those opposite can't even agree on cheaper beer.

They can't stop talking about themselves, mister speaker eight and every day sky Us doesn't have thirty seconds where there's not one of them sitting in their studio.

Well, look, I would invite Anthony Albenezy into this studio.

Come on down, come and have a chat, please seriously.

Because Labor has presided over a cost of living crisis, a power build disaster.

Promised they had slayed the inflation dragon.

Yet inflation has gone up and now another interest rate hiken.

I could go on and on, but the problem is Labor isn't feeling the weight of it because the coalition split has become a comedy skit.

For the first time in living memory, the cross Bench became as big as the opposition.

So while the former coalition is getting their steps up, traveling around plotting between their officers, we're getting on with the job of building the infrastructure that Cleansland needs.

We're building factories while they're building leadership contenders.

We're rolling out missiles and drones while they're rolling leaders We're opening production lives while they're opening old rooms.

They are much too focused on coffees and gossip and psychodrama to focus on the Australian people.

Now, look, Labor's not wrong here, and I can't believe I'm even saying that, but right now the Coalition can't even get their key messages across because of the shambalic sinking arrangements in Parliament, and their questions have been whittled down.

So it's a free for all for Labor.

So I would say this earth to the alternative government.

Where are you?

Where are you?

Where is the unity?

Where is the policy?

Where is the leadership?

Because you at home deserve better than this.

What a blight on conservative voters?

No wonder?

One nation is now more popular than the former coalition.

No wonder the Liberals are bleeding votes and hearing from the ministers.

Just there.

They have a point in the way they've summed it up.

The fact that they can trial their comedy lines in question time tells you everything you need to know.

Labor is under no pressure.

They've got all the time in the world.

If only they were as good at governing as they are at comedy, then perhaps we would be in a much better place.

So there you have it.

That was Question Time today.

And when the Coalition becomes the butt of all jokes and the punchline not labor, well then you know that something is seriously wrong.

Well, here we are in Australia in what now seems like weekly occurrences of national war memorials being vandalized by those who hate us and.

Hate this country.

Now I'm going to show you an example of a woke counselor whose actions suggests she seems to think there's nothing wrong with hacking.

A Captain Cook statue or two.

Now, have a look at this shocking vision of a war memorial in Melbourne's northeast being desecrated by vandals.

This is the Elpham War Memorial on stolen Land, apparently according to the video here, which was posted online by the vandals.

Now this happened on Australia Day.

And just have a look at them absolutely hacking at it, going for it, destroying it with red paint and all in the name of being anti Australian settlers and glory to the resistance, that's what they say.

But look at that disgrace.

Now.

Now, of course the memorial is destroyed, it's completely unrecognizable.

And even the Trobe's cottage in Melbourne has been struck.

And this just happened in the last week.

Yet another example of anti colonial attacks on monuments and memorials.

Now, how many times have we seen this happen.

If not a war memorial, it's a Captain Cook statue.

And as I said, these people hate us, plain and simple.

They hate our values, they hate this country.

And these cowards are laughing in our faces because they're never getting caught.

The Herald Study is reporting today that not one charge has been laid for criminal damage since twenty twenty, despite at least eighteen incidents of damage or vandalism.

Not one charge, not one.

So, of course, these vandals are emboldened, so much so some have even begun sharing press releases of their attacks.

Now, last night an important vote was held in the city of Melbourne.

Mayn Nicholas Reese introduced a you break It, you Buy it motion to pursue the attackers for costs of restoring damage statues and memorials and implement a range of security measures.

Now, this to me seems pretty rational.

You destroy public property, property, well, cough up the money and fix it up.

Pretty simple.

Now it passed overwhelmingly with only one vote against.

Can you have a guess which party gave the sole no vote?

Well, if you'd guess the Greens, you would be correct.

This is Greens Counselor Olivia Ball, who was not as interested, apparently in additional security measures and holding vandals to account.

She moved an unsuccessful amendment that repairs of statues be assessed on a case by case basis, considering the risk of repeat damage, historical merit, heritage advice.

And here was the real Pearla community sentiment.

Really, does she want a poll of how many people in the community think it's okay to destroy a war memorial or monument?

Is this a show of hands approach?

I mean, this vandalism is urban terrorism.

In my view, we are Australia, We are Australians, and this is an assault on Australians.

Does if this.

Green have any perception at all of what it means to be an Aussie, because I would say the majority of us are actually sick to death of these midnight vandals who cover their faces like cowards and try and destroy our history because of their warped view on colonialism, to try and make some sort of a point, Well, we are offended.

The majority of us support Australia Day and are proud of our national Day, and that's evident in poll after poll.

But this is what I found most baffling.

Olivia Ball, in the hours prior to the meeting, shared a social media post promoting a rally for yesterday afternoon called a we got a fight for our right to protest, where protest has actually scrawled globalize into fada in chalk outside Parliament just hours after Victoria's MPs moved an official condolence motion for the victims of the Bondi terror attack.

They also drew red triangles, a symbol used by Hummas to mark Israeli military targets for destruction and attack.

And would you believe it, Olivia Bell even last year voted.

Against the expansion of the city's CCTV network, which was aimed at tackling the CBD's crime crist.

I mean, what the heck is she doing in the council?

Then your taxpayer dollars are paying the wages of woke counselors with what seems to me to be an anti Australia agenda.

And it's a disturbing reflection on society when people like this, apparently with little regard for penalizing people who break the rules and commit an offensive act against all Australians, become elected representatives.

Now, I will say this, I don't.

Think that councilor alone can be held responsible for the safety of public property.

Where are those criminal charges?

Lock them up?

But these counselors do not represent us or our values.

And believe it or not, Olivia Ball, most of us have no time for a bunch of half brain cowards destroying our national pride.

And just before we get to our first guest, get your popcorn out, because Bill and Hillary Clinton are going to testify at US Congress about their dealings with Jeffrey Epstein.

Now, I personally can't wait to hear how the former president explains this one.

This topless photo of himself in a dimly lit hot tub, and this picture was of course released as part of the Epstein files.

But gee, this is a stunning capitulation by the Clintons, who have defied Committee, issued subpoenas and even the risk of imprisonment by the Trump Justice Department.

They have avoided this like the plague, but both changed their minds ahead of a planned vote in the House of Representatives to hold the two Democrats in contempt, which could have led to criminal charges.

But oh, look, I've got to say, you've got a wonder.

I mean, the.

Democrats, they could have released these files years ago, right, but none of them actually did.

And now they're going, oh, you know, they're going after Donald Trump.

They're claiming that he was in on it.

Well, again, the Dems had their hands on these files, so I would ask, what are they hiding?

And then there's Microsoft billionaire founder Bill Gates.

In an email written by Jeffrey Epstein in twenty thirteen, he claimed Gates contracted a sexually transmitted disease and sought to secretly give his then wife Melinda antibiotics.

Well, here was Gates on those allegations in an interview with Nine this evening.

It's actually true that I was only at dinners.

You know, I never went to the island.

I never met any women.

And so you know, the more that comes out, the more clear it'll be that although the time was a mistake, it had nothing to do with that kind of behavior.

And Melinda, his ex, is now smiling all the way to the bank.

Whatever questions remain there of what I don't can't even begin to know all of it.

Those questions are for those people and from even my ex husband.

They need to answer to those things, not me.

Well, and I am so happy to be away from all the muck.

Yeah that it was there.

And as for this slippery creep, Andrew Mountbatten Windsor, it goes from bad to worse.

Days after these images of him were released in the latest trove of the Epstein files on all fours over a female, it's reported he's now been booted out of the Royal Lodge at Windsor.

Do you blame the royal family?

They want this bloke out of mind, out of sight.

But this just goes to show the.

Degree of the relationship between him and Jeffrey Epstein.

Yet he repeatedly denied it over and over that he'd had any form of contact.

With the late pedophile.

Remember this disastrous interview he gave where he denied sexual assault allegations against him.

She was very specific about that night she described dancing with you and you profusely sweating, and that she went on to have bo Possibly there's.

A slight problem with the sweating because I have a peculiar medical condition, which is that I don't sweat, or I didn't sweat at the time because I had suffered what I would describe as an overdose of adrenaline in the Falklands War when I.

Was shot at.

Look, it's all very cringe, isn't it, And it makes you wonder who's next.

All right, let's get back to the news of the day.

Now.

Joining me is the Shadow Attorney General, Andrew Wallace.

Andrew, good to catch up with you as always, Thanks very much for joining me.

Look, I've got to say that the coalition got minced today by Labor.

I mean, surely it must be embarrassing sitting in question time with a divided coalition and a Labor government freely taking potshots because the heat's not on them right now.

Well, Dneker, I think what Australians are seeing is a government.

That is absolutely full of hubris.

I see.

I think Australians can see that the government is not focused on them.

And at the end of the day, what we're seeing is.

Like the last twelve months we've had fifteen thousand, a record number of businesses, fifteen thousand businesses go into insolvency.

Australians are doing it tough like I don't think we've seen since the mid nineteen eighties, back when I was an apprentice carpenter.

People are really doing it tough.

We've seen the thirteenth interest rate rise under this government, the thirteenth one, and inflation is out of control because this government continues to spend, spend, spend, and that's making it more expensive for Australians.

So I think what Australians would like to see is their government actually getting on with the job.

But at the moment, it's a government that is absolutely full of hubris.

Look, I don't doubt that I totally agree with you that the government is full of hubris.

But on the other side, right now, it's not looking too good.

I mean, let's be realistic, Andrew.

When you've got a divided coalition, there's no unity in the party.

There's been leadership rumblings now for weeks.

The polling is not very good, the Liberals bleeding votes to one nation, and you're sitting on the other side, not being able to ask a lot of questions right now.

I mean, what do you say to conservative voters, what would be your message?

Because there's a lot of unhappy voters out.

There right now.

There are a lot of unhappy voters, and I believe me.

I get the emails, I get the phone calls.

I know they're unhappy, and I think that I believe that they're unhappy because they are so angry at Anthony Albanezi and they want an effective, unified opposition.

They want an opposition that is holding this government to account.

And look, at the end of the day, Danika, this is not a criticism of you, but the more we talk about this instability on the media, the more it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

I believe that Susan has the absolute support of the party room.

There's been no spill, No one is out there doing the numbers that I've been contacted on.

So we all just.

Need to get in lock in behind Susan, who's doing a good job, a very good job under very difficult circumstances.

The really sad part of all of this, particularly with the split, is that Anthony ALBERANIZI was on the rope over Christmas time we had the appalling, the terrible situation where under this government's watch we had the worst terrorist attack on Australian soil.

He absolutely fumbled and stuffed the aftermath of that up refused to call a royal commission.

Susan Lee was doing a terrific job in holding him to account, and then, for reasons which are probably best to ask the Nationals, they walked away.

Well look, I mean, Anthony Aberaneze did have a really bad summer, and I will say that Susan Lee was on the front foot.

I mean she dragged him kicking and screaming to get that royal commission, and she did.

But now we've got a very different situation.

What a difference a couple of weeks has made.

And I appreciate that we keep talking about it.

But the problem is, Andrew, this is front and center right now and it seems as though the Liberals and Nationals are at a stalemate in their negotiations.

How likely is it do you think that this romance can be rekindled so to speak?

I think you used the term earlier in the show about a divorce, so it's not a divorce, you know, it's a separation, no doubt.

It's getting messy though it looks divorce s.

These things are always messy, Damika, And.

Look, I firmly believe, absolutely firmly believe that we're better and stronger together.

We've got much better prospects of holding this government to account if we remain or if we reform the coalition.

That that is a very very important part of the work that we have to do in this place.

I know that there's some rumblings amongst some people, and I'm both sides that, you know, they think that they might be able to do this without the other.

That is fascical.

There's just no way that either party is ever going to be able to form government on its own.

I think it's happened once in Australian political history a number of decades ago.

We live in a very very different world today.

If you look around the world, you know, coalitions are very common.

So we need to get the relationship back on track.

There's got to be give and take, you know.

I know that John Howard's had some things to say this evening about this, and at the end of the day, the coalition I'm a coalitionist.

We've got to get this show back on track.

And if that means both sides have got to eat some humble pie, so be it.

Because at the end of the day, Australians want a strong opposition to hold what I believe and many Australians believe is a hopeless government and they are hurting.

And when they see how much they are hurting.

We're having to work two three jobs just to pay the bills, and when they see what's happening in Canberra, they are going to be angry.

And to be quite honest with you, it's hard to blame them.

Well, that's why we do need a reunified coalition.

But right now it's a real mess.

Let's be honest.

I want to talk to you about labour's economic management.

Of course, inflation has gone up, rates have now gone up, but labor was again ducking and weaving today.

Have a listen to this, the RBA governor said yesterday when she was asked very directly about government spending.

She said, what's happened in the last six months or so, private demand has turned out to be much stronger than we've been forecasting.

That's what the RBA governor had.

To say the bigger deficits that they've taken to the last election for this year and next year would make the inflation challenge in our economy worse, not better.

By his own.

Logic, Andrew Labor is still trying to blame the coalition again.

Yeah, look what both the Prime Minister and the Treasurer failed to actually inform the House.

They're giving half truths because at the press conference, Michelle Bullock expressly said part of the reason why inflation is out of control, it's now at three point eight percent, is because of public and private spending.

She said both, that's the reality.

This government is adding fifty billion dollars over the last twelve months to its spend.

We're now spending fifty thousand dollars a minute on interest payments as a nation, fifty thousand dollars a minute.

You think about what that money could be spent on hospitals, nurses, doctors, ambulances.

You know, this country is getting into a real debt problem.

It's where we're fast approaching one trillion dollars and the government under Jim Charmers has absolutely no guardrails about how money should or and shouldn't be spent under this government.

I watched Shahi earlier tonight with the economists that was on there earlier, and he had some pretty uncomplimentary things to say.

And he needs to be a Deputy Secretary of Treasury.

Yeah, he had some very uncomplimentary things to say about Jim Chalmers.

Yeah, well, I mean, how many more economists do we need to tell labor the same thing?

Even the RBAS you said that spending is out of control?

You know, do we need to print it in a bit a big banner for them to actually listen.

We're almost at a time, but I just want to ask you about this.

Richard Miles today announced a dramatic sell off of defense properties.

He says it's in a bid to raise money for new military resources.

Now.

Defense says that these sites are under used, costly to maintain and divesting them will save money and make the defense estate fit for.

Purpose going forward.

But Andrew, this isn't the case, is it, Because this isn't just about spare land.

These sites play a role in the day to day life of ADF personnel.

Yeah, Danika, we are living in the most challenging geostrategic times since nineteen forty five.

We need to ensure that.

Our sailors, our aviators, and our army personnel have the best equipment that they possibly can, that we're attracting people from as many people as we can from the bush and in the cities, and we need to ensure that we are recruiting the right people and training them the right way.

All of these defense stay I used to be on the Defense Committee.

I also used to be on the Public Worst Committee, So I've been out to many of these bases and this smacks to me of selling off the family farm.

And once you sell the family farm, know from personal experience, you never get it back.

And that's a that's a sad thing.

These these defense estate assets are very very important, and look, we will assess each asset on its own merits, but what we have to ensure is that they do not impact upon the critical ability of the war fighting capabilities of our of our ADF personnel, and you know we will, we will look at each one of these proposed asset sales.

But once you sell off the family farm, you never get it back.

Danika, No, it's dangerous.

As you said, we live in very precarious times.

It's just extraordinary.

Andrew Wallace, we've got to leave it there.

Good to see you as always, Thanks very much for your time.

Coming up after the break, Lucy Zelich and Stephen Conroy are ready to spa.

That's next.

Welcome back to the program.

Lots to talk about tonight with our panel.

Joining me is broadcaster Lucy Zelich and former Labor Center Stephen Conroy.

Height of both of you.

Great David, we missed you.

Where have you been, my beloved?

Where have you been.

Having a small holiday, just a very quick holiday.

Well, I feel like she might be buttering you up.

I feel like maybe Lucy's ready to she's ready to spa with you.

As she does, she's ready about.

We've got a lot to talk to.

We've got to start with the coalition, don't we.

We've got more crack showing, Lucy were I mean the coalition.

They've basically said right now we can't reform.

Then you've got five Liberal MPs today siding with the Nationals to vote against the shadow cabinet in the Lower House.

Look, as I said earlier, I mean, if you're a conservative voter right now, you are literally tearing your hair out because where is the alternative government.

Well, unfortunately for the Liberals and the Nats, it's fallen to one nation right, and there should be no surprises amongst any of them as to why they're seeing such a rise in her popularity, because in addition to consistency, you have someone who is quite staunch in her criticism of the government and in holding them to account, which is precisely what the Liberals and the Nationals are failing to do.

For all of Susan Lee's smite as well as David Lindl Prow's during question time in this week, unfortunately, the attention has been this very arresting site of seeing then that's on the cross bench and of questioning how much time does Susan Lee have as the leader of the opposition.

We're hearing further rumblings that there is going to be a challenge to her leadership and it has been an absolute circus because and I wrote about this in my column for the Telegraph tomorrow, at the core of all of this, what both sides of the OARL have forgotten about are the everyday Australians who are really suffering off the back.

Of the RBA's announcement, who were finding it very.

Difficult to put food on the table.

And also in addition to that, then witness the Government of the day stand there on the floors of Parliament cracking jokes, I mean, even our Prime Minister in the lead up to the expected RBA rate hike, you know, likening the opposition to a cheap reality television show.

When you're thinking, this isn't funny, this is not a joke.

You may not be feeling it in your purse, but there are others who are now considering how am I going to will afford school fees for my children new school shoes for the twenty.

Twenty six school year.

These are the real issues and the stories that get buried in favor of our politicians and their egos.

And it's such a crime.

Shape well, it is.

Because Labour's had so much time now to really make Question Time into a comedy skit.

And this is a problem right now, Stephen, you know you'll be happy for your mob right now.

But the reality is is that Labor there outrageous spending has seen inflation go through the roof.

We've got another interest rate hike.

They haven't got it their handle on the cost of living crisis.

Power bills are through the roof, but they're not feeling the heat right now because there is no alternative government.

Yeah.

Look, I mean as much as you say we might smile and laugh about how there are shambles, you know, good government needs good opposition and that's just a truism at whatever level anywhere in the sort of Westminster system that we have.

So the opposition coalition, whatever you want to call it, are letting the country down.

I mean, there's no question whether you think Susan Lays done a good job or a bad job.

She's going to be replaced.

A little Proud is in the process of humiliating himself by engaging in a discussion with a leader he said, we will not have a coalition with Susan Lay.

So this is humiliating for both of them, but it is ultimately not good for the country.

On your point around interest rates, I strongly disagree with the decision of a Reserve bank.

I think the economic.

Statistics that underlie their decision don't support their decision.

But that doesn't matter whether I think it's a good decision or not.

You're right that it is going to hurt Australian families with a mortgage.

Well, so you Stephen, Sorry, I'm just trying to understand.

Are you now trying to assert that you are smarter than the Reserve Bank of Australia and their decision?

Well, tragically, the Reserve Bank Australia now have a full year history of being completely wrong.

Remember they put interest rates, you know, said we won't put interest rates up and suddenly had to hike them and they went too far.

Then they've been too slow and bringing them down.

So yeah, I'm like many economists prepared to say the Reserve Bank have stuffed up the last four or five years.

Absolutely, But Labour's wild, outrageous spending has absolutely nothing to do with where we're at zero.

You're just going to play the gym charms card and totally deflect from what's going on in terms of outrageous and exorbitant government spending.

Is that what you're saying, It's got nothing to do with.

Labor At least the Reserve Bank governor has some modicum of shame when she had to admit that it was because of private their underestimating private sector spending.

Now I don't agree with this.

And she said that, but did you miss the point.

Did you miss the point?

But did you also miss the point where she says, I'm not going to tell the government what to do with fiscal policy.

We work with aggregate demand, and we are seeing aggregate demand, public and private push up the limits of growth.

And that's what we're seeing with inflation at the moment.

Absolutely.

And if you want to take a textbook definition of aggregate demand, and when.

You say that the budget deficits, he's spending.

When you want to talk about you know, deficits and the issues that it causes in pressure on interest rates, you're actually ignoring half of the equation, which is revenue.

Okay, So the budget deficit is what people look at in aggriate demand, and the budget deficit is frankly a relatively small amount.

You'll go, oh my goodness, it's fifty odd billion dollars.

That is a tiny amount as abortion of GDP.

So the government's position.

Very much the labor positions kids of dollars here, they're everywhere.

They all end up adding up, yeah, well, end up adding up staient.

For it's not convenient now, I know that it's an inconvenient truth.

As a former labor senator that your government is driving us into economic ruin made.

That's the and the other the other point I would just make here as well, Steven.

I mean, it's not just the record spending, but you've got to also look at these energy subsidies, right because we knew that when you know there was a free for all, you get an energy subsidy, you get an energy subsidy at federal and state level.

We knew that when those subsidies end, the bills were going to go back up.

And what does that do.

It pushes inflation up.

But band aid solutions have been handed out at state and federal level, and so now we sit here and go, oh no, well, inflation's risen.

There are the warning signs have been there for a long time as to why that that they were going to be.

But look, I want to move on because I want to I want to go on to other things.

I want to talk about.

Clive Palmer, the billionaire, has weighed in on the Liberal leadership have a look here.

As a fifth wealthiest Australian and former life member of the Liberal Party and spokesman for the National Party, I can tell you the Liberal Party is a party full of wankers.

Politicians are like pigs.

They need two things, food and to be re elected.

The Liberal Party has no future.

If we don't get rid of labor, more and more Australians will have no food.

Wow, Lucy, that that was very blunt and direct.

What's your response.

I dare say that there wouldn't be an Australian watching this right now that would disagree with him.

Right, And that's where I.

Think that so much did dissatisfaction from the everyday Australian is coming from now is just looking at our politicians spew constant narratives, spin reality, distort the truth and continue to lie to us, right.

And I think more broadly, we're so frustrated and we're tired of the same narratives.

I don't know that we're interested in listening any more, Danika, because we've heard enough from them.

And when you have a Treasurer that's prepared to stand up in Parliament and to completely pass the buck time and time again, and to never assume responsibility for the current situation that we are in after almost four years in power and continuously blame their predecessors, We're tired.

We're done.

We're done, We're done.

We look, I completely agree with you, and it's interesting, Stephen.

Clive Palmer's even offered to bankroll the Nationals if the split with the Liberals become permanent.

And you know what I wonder.

I mean, look, he spent about sixty million dollars on campaign advertising.

You remember when he did the Trumpets of Patriots last year.

I didn't win a single house and seat in the House of Reps.

But I just wonder if it's a good idea, If they need money, this man's got it.

Well.

Look, I mean the Australian public have demonstrated in the last two elections they have no interest in anything that Clive Palmer spend fifty sixty million and achieved zero outcome.

So I don't I think we should get excited about a press conference in Clive up.

The Australian public have passed judgment on Clive Barmer fly stoo elections and.

They really don't care what he has to start bank national parties.

And that's what elections are for for the Australian public.

Two cast judgment.

But in terms of wanting to bankroll and that's look good luck.

They're on two percent of the vote at the moment.

Which is a little bit more than he got in the last elections a percent of the votes.

But it's important.

You know, you look at One Nation.

Gina Reinhardt is allegedly helping raise money for One Nation, bringing down as across.

You know, she's I think Australia's wealthiest person.

I mean, Clive claims to be fifth, but I think Gina's first.

So we've got a lot of attempts to influence the Australian public by some of the wealthiest people in Australia, and I think, frankly it'll have as much success as it's had in the last few elections, which is zero.

But I hope you waste his money on the National Party.

Well, I mean, look, as I said, he's got money to spend.

But you're right, I mean, Clive does pop up every now and then.

I just I just was thinking as we were talking.

Remember he was going to make the Titanic too.

Remember, even if I will fondly remember his time as the owner of Gold Coast United.

You know, he was shutting down half the stadium exactly.

I mean, there are so many.

Fellows, one of the greatest golf courses in the country.

He loves.

Courses, loves a press conference and love both.

Now, look, let's talk about these e bikes.

I've got to say, the e bikers as they call them, I feel like they're the new bikes.

This vision was taken on the Sydney Harbor Bridge yesterday morning.

It's shocking shows dozens of riding across the bridge.

They're breaking multiple traffic laws there and they even boasted of their accomplishment online.

Lucy, this is becoming a.

Real issue with these e bikes now seeing this, it's gone beyond Some of them aren't even wearing helmets.

The problem is they're not regulated.

But what do you do about them?

Well, this is a mess of labors making the government rebates that were offered to those wanting to purchase these e bikes has given rise to these kind of gangs that were seeing swarm across the streets and recavoc.

It's genuinely scary for a lot of people.

Hang on my own, laughing, Stephen, did you did you not think that they were raking havoc across the bridge?

You didn't think that they were reading.

Labors to blame for a bunch of a bunch of idiots who should all be arrested.

Well, but hang on a minute.

So you're not saying though that these government incentives which is basically given rise to the red of.

Course, but who's who was which?

Which party party?

Which party actually gave the rebates?

It was the labor government.

So what I'm confused.

That's why you're about this.

In the shot because I'm not sure all of the bikes in the shots are actually ones that haven't been modified, which you've got nothing to do with subsidies.

But we know that they can be.

But we know that they can be We know that they can be modified after the fact.

Now that sounds to me like you've inspected every single bike that you saw across the bridge causing cabs yesterday.

I just said, I think you've got to have a good hard look before you make the accusation that you've made.

I'm pointing to the rising issue that we are witnessing with these e bikes, which prior to the rebates, how many e bikes were you seen causing havoc, fat boy bikes and all of this type of stuff rising across the streets before all of this.

I don't recall this being an issue two three years ago.

Do you well.

I think kids adapt a mimic each other, which is why it's so popular for people to commit crimes and put themselves online.

Not the smartest thing you can do.

And hopefully they all get tracked down and they all get dealt with, and that's what should happen.

But to try and pretend that that biking gang as an e biking gags, if we con use that phrases, suddenly the fault.

Now, kids will always find a way to you know, haven't been a mischief.

This goes beyond that.

It's dangerous and it should be dealt with and policing should be put in place to try and there's.

No legislation, there's no legislation.

It is saying that it's that needs to be dealt with.

You know what the police did yesterday.

When they approached this group, but in charge any of them, and they simply just dispersed them.

They gave him a stern.

The phrase was, they gave them a stern, talking talking.

Talking to you exactly, round them all up and send them over to the ad F and the remember we need them and land and kids of today have zero and the authority.

And that also goes as well, I will say this for youth criminals.

Seriously, God spent a bit of time in the ady f and then said, see if you're a peat offender, because if the wope courts and they were going off track here, if the wipe courts aren't going to deal with you, then go Well it's true, Stephen, Seriously, it's true.

I mean where you know, how tolerant can we possibly be?

Look, unfortunately, we're on our time.

We're out die.

Game.

There's no nizing.

No, well that's what the left will tell you.

Look, Unfortunately, we've got to go.

I would love to keep chatting and sparring about the issues of the day and we can all solve the world's problems together, but we've got to go.

Please see Stephen.

Great to have you both on Gosh there a hoot?

Aren't they stay with us?

Coming up after the break, Andrew mount Batten Windsor kicked out of the Royal Lodge after those shocking images emerge of him on all fours on top of a female Live to London to catch up with talk TV hosts Mark Dolan.

Next, welcome back to the program.

Well, the Royal family has been trying to boot the disgraced former Prince Andrew out of the Royal Lodge for months now, and today he finally packed his bags after being given the old heave ho.

It comes amid claims a second woman was allegedly trafficked for Andrew.

In a statement to the Sun, police.

Say they were aware of reports about a woman said to have been taken to an address in Windsor in twenty ten for sexual purposes, and according to the son, the woman claims she spent the night with Andrew at Windsor when she was in her twenties before going to Buckingham Palace for Tea.

Andrew has always denied any wrongdoing relating to his links with Epstein and has never been charged with any offense.

Joining me now is Talk TV host Mark Dolan.

Mark, great to see you.

Thank you so much for joining me.

Gee.

It gets worse and worse, doesn't it that the royal family must be ducking for cover right now?

You have to feel so sorry for King Charles, don't you, Danika.

He waited decades to become king.

He gets cancer, his youngest son runs off to America and wages war on the family, and then his younger brother Andrew brings total disgrace on the monarchy.

I mean, this is the biggest crisis facing the monarchy in its history.

You cannot exaggerate.

You had the advocation of Edward Well, that is literally a sideshow compared to this, because what if you've got You've got sex, you got scandal, you've got money, and even potentially a national security element given the fact that Epstein was linked with the KGB and the Kremlin.

So therefore you have the possible scenario where the king's younger brother was Vladimir Putin's useful idiot.

Yeah.

Well, look, I mean perfectly said, yeah, the family, I know, you're a bucking a palace right now.

They must be absolutely ducking and weaving for.

Cover right now.

No wonder they got rid of him.

And look, it's not just Andrew that there are many prominent faces around the world getting caught up in this latest unfolding saga.

There's emails uncovered by the US Department of Justice this week, including one from twenty thirteen accusing American entrepreneur Bill Gates of contracting a sexually transmission transmitted infection from the Russian girls and asking Epstein for help to give his wife antibiotics.

I want to shower viewers this again, Bill Gates, finally breaking his silence.

Have a look, it's actually true that I was only at dinners.

You know, I never went to the island.

I never met any women.

And so you know, the more that comes out, the more clear it'll be that although the time was a mistake, it had nothing to do with that kind of behavior.

Now he denies those claims, Mark, but Jay, you've got to wonder what else is going to come out and who else is named.

Rose?

Definitely, and Bill Gates has denied these allegations, but he's listed multiple times in the Epstein files.

It's very clear that he was friends with Epstein, and anyone that was is going to have a case to answer.

And it's remarkable, isn't it, Because there's a lot of focus on Andrew and I understand why he is the younger brother of the king, but look at Bill Gates, a titan of American industry, one of the richest men in the world.

You know, this crosses the realm of politics, of finance, of business, of tech.

It's basically the elites that have been caught up in this.

And in some ways I.

Wonder whether the face lucas on Andrew is because he's a member of the royal family.

They don't tend to sue people, they don't tend to speak out or defend themselves, so he's like an easy target.

Now I won't defend his alleged activities, but it's clear there's more to this story than just Prince Andrew former Prince Andrew, of course, now just Andrew mount Batton Winter.

Yeah, absolutely, and I said this earlier.

Get your popcorn out because the Clintons are going to appear in front of US Congress, and I just wonder if Andrew will eventually have to go over wait and see on that one.

Now I'm going to ask you about Peter Mandelsson.

He's stepped down from the House of Lords in the UK over his links.

Now it's important to not he denies any wrongdoing Mark, but what are these allegations against him?

Well, that's right.

Of course, not all of your viewers will necessarily know who the guy is, but he's one of the most significant political figures of the last few decades.

He was the architect of Tony Blair's political project known as New Labor, and he's very influential guy.

It's an amazing thing.

Was our Prime Minister Sekeir Starmer had nothing to do with Peter Mandilsson.

They came from a different political generation.

But Starmer is so inept and is so good at bringing trouble on himself that he appointed Mandelson as UK Ambassador to Washington after so much.

This scandal had already come to light, so it's become a crisis for the incumbent UKPM.

And the allegations are that Lord Mandelson and Epstein were very close, that thousands of dollars were pumped into Mandlson's account, which Denika he's actually forgotten.

I don't know.

If I handed you one hundred and fifty thousand dollars maybe you'd remember.

But of course it's escaped his attention.

So there's also an incriminating photo.

This is a guy he was at the top of government, so fired twice from the UK Cabinet.

One occasion, whilst the Business Secretary, he lobbied the government at that time to scrap a banker's boats tax allegedly to help Jeffrey Epstein.

Plus as a photograph in Lord Mandelson in very tight underpants in a room with the woman wearing a bathroom the whole thing thinks it's unedifying.

It's just shocking, and it's managed to engulf number ten, which it needn't have done.

But unfortunately the poor judgment of Starmer, he decided that he'd give Mandelson this top job after it was clear that Mandlsson had stayed in touch with Epstein after serving time for child sex trafficking.

You couldn't make it up.

No, I mean, you can't make it up.

This is a thing.

It just gets worse and worse and quite frankly, cringier and cringia.

Seriously, it is.

It's all very icky, for lack of a better word.

Look, finally, Mark, let's talk a bit of politics.

It's been a decade since the Brexit referendum.

Has this been for the benefit or the detriment of the country?

What do you think?

Well, Brexit is what you make of it, just like life, Nika, and the bottom line is that we have our sovereignty now, we can control our borders.

We are never going to have the Euro.

We control our currency.

What's happened is that the political establishment heyd Brexit because it was an example of people power.

So they've done everything to thwart it, which is why we've gained no advantages so far.

But a future administration potentially led by Nigel Farrage of Reform UK will see Brexit unleashed.

And here's the thing.

I would say that nothing's happened since Brexit.

I would argue we've not gained hugely.

But look at Europe.

It's a continent in decline.

They've got open borders, they've got social division, they've got wokery in their public institutions, and their economy is in the toilet.

It's far better that Britain can look outwards and do trade deals with great countries like Australia, Canada and the United States.

Absolutely no, look Gus spot On.

It's been fascinating to watch it unfold.

I'm going to say, Matt Dollan, I'd great.

To catch up with you.

Thank you so much for joining us this seeting outside of Buckingham Palace.

Really appreciate it.

Still to come.

Singer Billie Eilish claims Americans live.

On stole land and boom, it's backfired spectacularly.

That's next.

Before we go tonight, some bad news for woke American elitist.

Singer Billie Eilish.

Now you might recall she pulled this little stunt at the Grammys.

No one is illegal on stolen land, stolen land.

Well, uh.

Her claims of stolen land have been called out by the Native American tribe, who claim her multimillion dollar California mansion sits on their land.

The Tongva tribe said they appreciate Eilish's sentiment, but noted that the performer hasn't contacted them directly and insisted that next time she explicitly referenced them.

Well, here was the White House on it.

Okay?

Well, White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt summed it up.

She said, these people have got security and mansions, and you know what, they all live in glasshouses.

But they shouldn't live in la mansions.

That's my take.

That's it from me tonight.

Here's a late debate.

Good night,