She wasn't even one hundred percent sure when she repeated it if she was pronouncing it right.

But what it told her was that he was an elude seeking redemption.

And she was like, do you know what that means.

I'm like, I have no clue what that means.

And she's like, well, I don't either, but that's what he told me.

So cut to me looking up eli You got a little bit of information.

Talked to Gary Wayne.

Gary Wayne gave me some information.

What an elioude is is the offspring of the nephelum.

So you have watch your nephelum eliud right now.

Take this eliut theory.

Couple it with that lady that says she had this spirit god that would exchange with her information.

And I was like, okay, there might be something to this.

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All right, everybody, welcome back to another episode of Codega's Codex of Curiosities.

I want to say thank you for sticking around and enjoying the ride as we journey forward.

This is one you know, this show has really begun to change how I see everything, how I interact with everything.

And I was talking to bow here prior to us recording about how my journey has come almost full circle in a way.

But I feel now I'm making these choices and not just going through these motions because I have to.

Now I'm making these choices because I want to.

And like I said, I am joined with bow Here.

He is the man behind the Bump Podcast.

And for those who have not heard of it, the Bump Podcast is a show that very similar to mine, where they you know, he ventures deep into the shadows, exploring cryptids, legends, and spiritual conflicts as well.

And so in this episode, I hope we are going to confront one of the oldest and most controversial miss of all time, which is Lilith, you know, demon Mother of Monsters or something else.

So, without further ado, but welcome to the show, and I'm glad to have you here.

Hey, thanks for I appreciate it.

Brother.

Uh, it's an honor to be here.

And I know I look back through our email exchanges.

Dude, we've been trying this for nine months.

Yeah, it was like March and I've managed to flake like half a dozen times.

But hey, you know, everything happens for a reason, you know, and and it's supposed to happen now.

So here we are.

You know.

I I think I think it's happening right at the right time.

Yeah, me too.

Yeah, So if you want to give a shout out to your show, and you know, you know, I know that you are on all major audio I know.

I think you're also on YouTube as well.

Right, Yeah, I'm I kind of neglect YouTube.

Uh, I should really do more with it, but I'll have guests come on.

Sometimes I don't want to be on video and I respect that, so I don't do that video, and then that leads to me going, I don't know, three months without doing a video.

But yeah, there's I got a bunch of I still got like two hundred episodes on there, I think.

Yeah, I got a Yeah, any podcast platform you can, you can find me on there.

The Bump podcast.

The logo is a sword, and yeah, like you said, I'd bring on a guest every week and we get into the unexplained monsters are paranormal.

And for the last five and a half years I've had the show going, and for about four years of that, everything's going through a biblical lens.

I did the year like I did the first year or so, and I told my wife.

I was like, I just don't feel like I'm doing more than sharing cool stories, you know.

I didn't feel like it was I don't know, like the value for me personally.

I didn't feel like I was doing somebody out there justice.

And my wife's like, way change it, you know, And I was like, I can't change it.

But going too long?

And I got on there with dark Waters.

I don't know if you're familiar with him or not.

I've heard of Dark Waters.

Yeah, I've never actually interacted with him, but yes, he used to be real big into dog man stuff and he's segued from that and he's won a different route.

But he's he's a he's a big time on YouTube.

But I talked to him off air and he directed me.

He's like, if you want you know, if you want to do this for the Lord, man, mate, you know, dedicate your show to the Lord and find your purpose.

And I did that and the show's done well.

But it is definitely, uh, it's been a wild ride since then.

There's been a lot of comm in flick spiritually, there's been a lot of malfunctions with equipment since then.

It's just like it's gotten gotten weird.

Like I've went through three computers in the last four years because things just like go out, they disappear, Mike's short out cameras.

I don't know, it's it's it's wild man.

But yeah, I thank you, Yeah, no problem, this is this is awesome.

And that's quite the journey.

So you did was it four years and then one year of like following the biblical aisle or was it the reverse of that?

So one year and now four years, okay, yeah, that's I think all the I think you've given it more meeting as well, you know, And and I never my initial goal was to give people a place to tell their truth, you know, tell their experiences.

And I'm sure you're probably doing the same we're doing the same thing.

And then it just seems to evolve and you start to realize that there's something underlying just about every single one of these stories, every single one of these experiences.

Yeah, that's that's it, man.

It's like you can see a theme, you know, you can see a theme like every time somebody has like some kind of sleep paralysis demon story, or they have a like a dog man encounter or a sasquatch encounter.

All these things, right, or an alien abduction story.

I've talked to all these people and throughout it, every time you know, it happened to somebody that was a Christian, they would speak against it in the name of Jesus and it would stop, you know, and it's like hold on, you know, what's this you know?

And uh yeah, so you start seeing these these same everything.

He runs through the same channels, like all roads point to Christ and uh exactly, you know you can at my church and that's just as a natural lane for me.

So it's just that's where we're that's where.

We're at, and that's fantastic with with what you're doing.

And I agree, it's it's all coming into this one, you know.

And I'm sure you know Vicky Joy as well.

Yeah, and she talks about her sleep paralysis quite openly, and has written while she's finishing her second book, she she had first kind of inspired me.

She's like, well, not, I wouldn't say inspired me, but kind of was like, you know, all these little puzzles of like dog man, Ufo, Bigfoot, uh, sleep, paralysis, alien abduction.

She's like, they're not separate, they're little puzzles, but they're of one giant picture.

And I and I'm like, I give her credit to that all the time when you know, when I do bring that up, but it is absolutely true that there was we're in a spiritual battle and uh and and it's it's dangerous out there, and sometimes people don't realize that.

They don't realize that they're dealing with evil because sometimes evil doesn't come in as like demons and fangs.

You know.

It's like, like I say, as a joke, is there used to be like this meme was, you know, come to the dark Side.

We have cookies.

It's you know, like this inviting you know, and then once they get you in there, you know, there's things start to happen and then you you don't realize that you're too far deep and then you need help.

Yeah, yeah, for sure, man, for sure.

I love Vicky Joyce.

She uh, She's helped me a lot too.

I've I've had some like weird dreams that I knew was symbolic, you know, So I would text her like can you talk, and she'd be driving down the road or whatever, man and talk to me and my wife for like an hour and a half until she made sure we were cool with whatever was going on.

And she's just like she's as genuine as you could possibly get off air on air, She's just a wonderful person.

And I yeah her, oh yeah, her book is phenomenal.

I can't wait for her second one to come out.

I agree.

And and it's funny.

I guess I'm not the only one sharing dreams to Vicky joy you know, because it's the same you'll never believe guess what this and this, and then you know we're I'm more of a texter, but yeah, so we'll text back and forth.

But like you said, as authentic as she is on air, she is the same off there.

And there's like there's a couple other people that I notice, like Gary Wayne as well.

You know, when I'm dealing with Gary, he as knowledgeable in wisdom and as kind as he is on air, you know, like off air, he's exactly the same.

And it's it's great, you know, it's great to see that these people are authentic and I and I really respect the authenticity of of the of this group.

You know, they really are representing you know, Christ and all this uh, all this goodness.

But let's not bagaually not but but let's let's jump into this.

You know, I'm I would say you what I've heard you on Tony's Tony Show and you were discussing Lilith, and it really resonated with me a lot, especially when you're referencing the tie in with owls as well, because I've had some experiences with owls in the past, stuff that I was like, oh, this is a good sign or something like that.

You know, when I told you that I was part of I don't want to say it was part of the New Age, but I was influenced by the New Age.

And it's kind of like, oh, man, did I invite something into my home?

And but I'd love for you to start off, start us off with Lilith.

You know who is or who was Lilith?

Yeah?

Man, Well, I I can read through all these notes or I can kind of just sum it up a little bit.

I I'll start by saying, Lilith is not the first wife of Adam.

That's that's the main direcor for me, for people to know that is a that story started out of the alphabet of Ben Sarah seventy eight is the is the one that references Lilith.

And what people need to realize is that is it's a Jewish text from like around the year one thousand, eight hundred to one thousand AD, and a lot of it was satirical.

You know.

I don't know how that has evolved till today where she's like the face of I don't know how freak Can I say whatever I want?

Yeah?

Yeah, it working on YouTube, but it is funny if I get censored on YouTube for this.

I don't care, all right.

I don't know how she's become the face of like this whole feminism movement, you know what I mean?

Like, Uh, dude, just like every emo chick out there, uh is just like in love with this little character.

But it's from a lack of knowledge.

I don't blame them, because she sounds like this powerful person, you know, and if you're coming from a place of trauma, you try to connect, and she's painted as this traumatized woman who was, you know, try to be held down by some misogynist and she broke free, and you know that all sounds well and good, but it's it's such a lie.

It's such a lie.

Lilith her she is named as one of the queens of demons, and it's not her.

There's four people named it's Lilith Nama and the other two I I'm not I'm not really good at pronouncing it.

Let me see here.

I think one's name was like Agriate and the other is Eyeshift.

Because their names.

But these ladies, they're they're listed as queens of demons and the Zohar, which is again it's a it's an old text, and the way Enoch describes all that is that these women were selected as wives for the sons of God.

It's the following of Genesis six.

The watchers when they come down, they took wives, and they spawned the Nephelum, these abominations.

She's one of those.

So yes, she was the wife to a son of God, but she was not the wife of Adam.

And that's that's what this alphabet does.

It It plays with stuff, it looks it says.

If you look at the description of it, it says it's satirical and it it takes new new views and new twists to the Bible.

Well, I mean that sounds really demonic right off the jump.

I agree, But that's that's what it is.

And for the last thousand years or so, twelve hundred years, it's just kind of been bastardized, you know, it's kind of just evolved into this.

But what she was in reality was selected to be uh, to be abroad.

I don't know if she was drop dead gorgeous or what I mean, what what selected her to be chosen?

I I would imagine she is because when people have these dreams, you know, she'll you know, that's that's one of her her things.

You know.

She's known for this demon will come to men in their dreams, you know, as a seductress like a succubus.

She's known as the skiller of children, so much so that people used to try to ward her off of putting amulets with her name on it or a depiction of her around their baby's neck so she wouldn't attack them.

Pretty wild stuff.

Man, you can go way back Mesopotamia.

This is where she ties in with the owls.

And if I'm jumping around, I'm sorry.

I I'm trying not to look at the notes as much as like, not the problem, not a problem.

Mesopotamia.

Depictions of her would be the top half of a lady, right, and the bottom half she would have these bird legs, and she would be surrounded by owls.

If you look in the Bible, I think it's Isaiah thirty four.

Depending on which translation you look at.

Some translations will say that Lilith, it names her in the Bible, that she's in the desert, you know, and she'll find her rest there with these hairy creatures and all that, which we can get into that here in a second two.

But other translations call her the night monster, or they'll call her to screech owl.

Now it's it's not I don't think an owl is a monster.

But there's a reason why they're using that as the translation, and so that that's how she's kind of familiarized with that.

So a lot of times people will look at owls as if they're familiar spirits or a monitoring spirit that that she uses to track people or to let you know that she's around.

That kind of thing.

And this is really deep.

Yeah, and so speaking of like this owl like this exactly what you're saying, Like this half woman, half like bird owl thing reminds me of the I've heard about the La la Chusa, which is here in Mexico where they describe this very large witch owl mixture.

You know, it's it's that has to be derived from that exactly or it's.

The same entity.

Yes, you know, one hundred percent believe that she doesn't care what you call her as long as you do a fire.

Yeah.

Man, This depiction of her as an owl goddess or this half woman, half owl kind of thing, it leans it lends credit to like the septuagen refers to her as a siren, which is half bird half woman, right, because the legend was that her punishment for spawning these abominations, but she was turned into a siren.

So it all it all ties in together, Like that stuff makes sense.

What came a thousand years later?

That was satire?

Gotcha?

You mean to like pervert the scriptures and to try to misdirect everything as well.

Yeah, yeah, that seems that seems something that happens quite often where people, you know, take what they've heard, misconstrue it and throw it back out there, causing confusion.

And when you cause confusion, you know, you lead people astray and then they you know, maybe vilify someone else who shouldn't be vilified, you know, such as Adam.

You know, they're like, oh, Adam was this like you're saying, like a misogynist, this was his first wife?

And no, and that's actually I'm not saying that's what I believe, but I actually believe that Little was Adam's first wife.

But now I'm standing corrected, So thank you absolutely, brou.

And people could question too, like, well, this list of women come out of the Zohar, how do you know that's credible?

Well, I did some a little bit of researchers.

It gave it some credibility for me.

These four women, like I said, Agrit and iif I haven't looked into them, I'd have to get some you know, some rabbinical text and do some deep diving.

And I'm not Gary Wayne, so I'm not good at that kind of off the top of your head, what right?

Yeah?

But uh, but Nama, the the other one that was in there.

Her name stuck out to me, so I was looking her up and she's actually or that name.

I can't say it's definitely her, but it makes sense if you if you walk it out.

There's a nama that's listed in Genesis chapter four.

It's just a couple of chapters before the watchers are are down noticing the women.

And it kind of makes sense, dude, because genealogy, when it's listed in the Bible, it's this one begot this one, this one, begot this one, the son of this or whatever, very very rarely.

Well they mentioned the daughter, right, because genealogy, genealogy in the Bible, it usually fathers followers, followers.

That's my West Virginia coming out.

It follows the fathers, right.

But in Genesis, for it, it lists these names that layman or lamec however you want to pronounce his name.

This dude, it lists his children, right, and it's like tubal Caine, I'm drawing a blank.

Let mean, let me look down here.

There's there's a list of names, right, and to each one they credit each one of these people with being the father of some kind of amazing technology basically, so you've got tubal U, Tubal Cane, and Jubal.

All right, each one of these that are listed, Like I said, they are the father of like metallurgy, like blacksmithing and stuff like that, or agriculture and farming or music, and so they for whatever reason, these people are where all these things come from.

Now, their father laymck was a horrible, horrible man.

He's even quoted to say, and you know, I'm going to paraphrase that if Cain was guilty for murder, then he should be cursed sevenfold because he's killed multiple men and he breaks the law of monogamy.

He takes on two wives, and so he is like really against God.

But still his children seem to be blessed in this profound way.

Well, if you would tie this stuff in with Enoch, when the watchers come down, they exchanged this intelligence, this wisdom, these secrets for women.

So it's not a large jump.

It's not a big leap to think that maybe Lamk offered up his daughter Nama in exchange for this tech.

Right, and now this name is also connected to the Zohar with these other ladies, and so that was enough of a thread for me to give it at least some credibil and credibility, and it sounds like.

The fallen ones just couldn't take wives.

It almost like they had to have an exchange, like an alchemical type of exchange of you know, for every what you take, you need to give back as well.

So yeah, that's good, that's good.

You know, which, how how often does that sound?

You know how familiar is that to today?

You know, we're here about people getting into uh witchcraft and oh yeah, you always have to get You have to give something to receive something, and something that means something to you, not just like uh, here's a cup, Okay, there you go.

No, it has to be of very sentimental value.

And I'm sure we all know, like Hollywood has a lot of stories of you know, famous people losing their loved ones, you know, someone that had a lot to them and uh like a sacrifice.

So it's yeah, wow, okay, yeah, So you're you're kind of adding, you're putting this two and two together and actually making sense of this, which it does.

It actually it actually seems legit as well, like this pathist journey you're following on this.

Well, also with that the reason why I said I don't think she cares what she's called as long as you do a fire.

You talked about that.

Uh, the lady in Mexican folklore lalla choose a Well.

Here in West Virginia we have something too.

And I think everybody is heard of the moth Man.

Of course, now it's pure speculation, speculation on my part, okay, but this creature kind of fits the description for me too when the Mothman was first sighted.

It it's basically the same thing.

The upper half is human, the lower half is bird like.

I'm not so sure that it's not a similar kind of entity.

I wouldn't be surprised if it has some sort of tie into that.

I I think that's not a far leap to make.

Yeah, man, and we we have festivals in honor of the moth Man.

We there's a statue dedicated to the Mothman that people bring offerings.

They put food down and leave money at the statue.

Yeah, they put money in his ass, that's what.

Yeah.

But nonetheless, that's a that's a form of worship, right, and I don't think they even realize it.

Yeah, it's an idol like that.

It's not a golden idol.

It's just kind of a silver idol, you know, right.

Yeah, so, and if anybody is familiar with West Virginia, it's a pretty impoverished place and it has been for a long time, kind of a land of oppression and hopelessness in some regions, you know, some areas here, except for those that are rooted in Christ.

You know, we look at everything like, hey, it's all right.

You know, we're gonna be okay.

We don't have to be millionaires down here.

We will be all right.

You know, we can make we can make scraps and live just fine.

Right, you know, I commend that as well.

You know.

It's just we are happy with what we have and we are making it with what we have, and that is all that matters, because we have Christ as well.

That's right.

Yeah, We're called to be not conformed to the world, you know, but be transformed by the renewing of our minds.

And that that's where everything's at, dude, That's where the battle is.

The battle is in the flesh, it's in the mind.

And yeah, if you sit there and dwell in the negatives, it's it's easy.

You open yourself up for for more negativity.

You open the door for those damons to come in.

Yeah, everything's spiritual, dude, it so is.

You know, it's we have to always be on guard and and be careful what you invite in.

And that is one of my biggest uh, you know, giveaways that I mean that I takeaways that I try to give people is you know, it's our invitation, invitation, what we're inviting in that we have to be careful of, be careful what you are inviting in.

It goes back to, you know, like the legend of vampires, they cannot enter unless you invite them in.

So that I think that has much more meaning to so much other then here's another thing, actually bigfoot sasquash whatever you want to call it.

The Harry Man.

Very rarely.

I've never actually heard of an experience that I've of all my interviews personally of it coming inside of a building.

Okay, it won't, it won't.

It will terrorize you, it will slap the building, it'll hit the building, it'll leave things you know that will terrorize you in front, it'll shake the building.

But they don't come in.

It's because it needs to be invited in.

Same thing with uh, you know, demons, which are you know, disembodied spirits of the nephilim.

They need to be invited in and we do that in many, many ways where we don't even realize.

You know, like take take for instance, pornography.

If someone is going on, you're inviting these spirits in into your household, and think about what you're watching and what you're bringing into the household.

You know, don't be don't be so selfish to think, oh, this is this it's just something on this thing.

No, you're inviting this in and it will, it will, and it can affect you and your.

Family, absolutely, it will.

If you want to get a suckubas spirit stick with porn, you know, that's that's a that's a bad road.

And and just the I have such an aversion to that stuff, dude, it's because I know that's a trap for so many young men.

And I'm not saying that.

When I was a young man, I didn't like that kind of stuff too.

You know, we were all in our twenties at one point.

But the the realization, the more information we have to find out that a lot of these women are are traumatized people, are our human human traffic victims.

That kind of stuff, it is like it should discuss you at the thought of the you know, I just I don't know.

I can't stand that stuff.

But it's interesting that you brought up sasquatch.

I don't want to go too dark there.

It's interesting that it's interesting that you brought up sasquatch.

Man, I know, we didn't plan that at all, like for real, if anybody you know, because that's like the big mystery, right what is sasquatch?

Nobody knows what bigfoot is.

Well, I will be so bold as to say I think I got it figured out.

Oh okay, this is interesting.

This is uh.

I'm sitting down at the pop corn I'm listening.

Dude, I hope you get a million people that's like he's an idiot.

But I'm gonna back it up, okay, And you know what, I'm gonna get.

Any interaction if I find a lot of times, if you're rubbed the wrong way about something, there's a reason why you're getting upset about it.

You know.

Like granted, of course, if someone who's just spouting pure nonsense, uh or propaganda or something like that, sure, but if something is affecting your beliefs, that's something to look into.

All right, you're ready for this, let's do it, all right.

She's going to start off with some anecdotal conversations that I've had over the years.

Okay, so yes, it opened up by being subjective, all right, but this is my opinion.

But I'm pretty confident in this opinion, Sasquatch.

I had a lady who came from well, I'll give you this one first.

Okay, this lady she came from New Age, all right, and she came on the show and she wanted to talk about her journey from New Age and witchcraft into Christianity.

I talked about Bigfoot probably fifty sixty times on my show already.

This was not a Bigfoot story.

This was not a woman that cared at all or believed it all in Bigfoot.

But she told me she was a child, that she had this spirit guide, and she loved him so much that she bought a little pennant of a gorilla because it's the closest thing that looked like this guy.

She said, it looked he was a giant ape man that that would visit her at night.

It would come to her window, and it would share knowledge and information to help her all her life.

I thought, Okay, that's weird, right.

That was the second conversation I had with somebody the first conversation, and that second one actually turned more into a catalyst for my thought.

The first conversation that I had was with this woman.

Her name is Denise, and she lived in Pennsylvania, and I would love to talk to her again, but she won't do it.

She came on the show three times.

The first time she came on the show, she told me that she has this relationship with a sasquatch creature, right, that his name was Harry is what she called him, of course, not very original, yeah, but that she would see him, she would catch a glimpse of him, or that he would present himself as this ball of light to her, And I, okay, whatever, whatever you say, I'm not going to call anybody a liar on my show, you know what I mean.

And Plus, it ties in to people seeing orbs in relation to bigfoot in the woods.

If you you know, if you're a if you're really deep into bigfoot, that's a very very common thing.

There's a connection with lights and Bigfoot.

So she would see these orbs and she would leave him gifts.

He would return the offer right, he would returned the favor.

She would leave him some food Wedgden tree, and she go back and find a bone or a feather or something, you know.

So she had this back and forth with this thing.

Scared her to death initially, but like the second time, I think he was on the show.

She was on the show.

We started digging down a little bit deeper.

This thing talked to her telepathically.

Also, the Bigfoot world calls it mind speak.

I think that's a really goofy title.

It's telepathy, right.

Yeah, yeah, well I agree.

You know, we don't we already have a name for it.

We don't have to change it, right, yeah, It's like we can do better than mine speak and dog man.

I mean, come on, we have werewolf, we have a telepathy.

It's all there ready, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's already there.

But this thing we'd talk to her, right, and.

What it said to her at the time meant nothing, But when I looked it up, blew my mind.

Bro.

Now, this lady is not a theologian.

She wasn't even one hundred percent sure when she repeated it if she was pronouncing it right.

But what it told her was that he was an Elioude seeking redemption, and she was like, do you know what that means.

I'm like, I have no clue what that means.

And she's like, well, I don't either, but that's what he told me.

So cut to me looking up eli youd got a little bit of information, talked to Gary Wayne.

Gary Wayne gave me some information.

What an eliude is is the offspring of the nephelum.

So you have watcher nephylum eliud right.

Now, take this eliu theory, couple it with that lady that says she had this spirit guy that would exchange with her information.

And I was like, Okay, there might be something to this.

Well, I talked to another dude.

His name is Ralph Sarchin.

At the time, I didn't know that he was famous, I'll be honest, but he apparently he had a TV show.

He wrote a book called like deliver Us from Evil or something like that.

He worked with the Catholic Church as an exorcist and he would go into homes and cleanse homes and all this kind of stuff.

Well, I had him on the show and I bought his book.

One of the first stories in his book was they go into this house and this demon manifests into the physical realm.

Guess what it looks like?

A sad squatch.

So I'm like, all right, that's that's three strikes, dude.

So I started trying to compare, like, what's what's what is a Bigfoot and one of these spiritual beings?

What could they possibly have in common?

Well, if this is the offspring of a watcher, right, an angel?

We know in the Bible that angels can appear in the physical realm, they can touch, they sat down with Abraham to eat, they can manifest out of nowhere, they disappear out of nowhere.

It's like all the things that we can't figure out about Bigfoot, Like why do these tracks just stop?

Yes?

Right, exactly, yes, but being demonic rather than you know, if they're on the bad side and said the good side, it would makes sense that they can't come in without being invited, right, because they are demonic.

They're they're of that that line of nature.

The faster than explanation.

Uh uh.

They say angels are higher than human exchanging information that it hens back to Genesis four.

What the what the watchers were doing?

That?

It doesn't it to a lot of people, especially if you don't believe in the in the Christian world.

I can see where you don't believe it.

But there's not a single thing about a sasquatch that isn't explained from a biblical perspective when you look at it like that, if you look at them as a spiritual being, as the offspring of an angel.

How long do they live?

Who knows but the angel Gabriel he came to marry four hundred years after he came to Daniel, So obviously they live a long time.

So if you're not finding sasquat bones, maybe they don't die that often, you know what I mean.

So that's where I'm That's where I'm at, dude.

I think no one can prove that I'm wrong about the Lau, And I know I can't prove anybody else wrong about it being a big hairy monkey that we just somehow can't get a hold of, which is what I thought at one point, you know, I thought it was gigantopithecus.

I thought it was just a big primate.

I think we all at one point, you know, no matter where we started, we all started with it's this big prime.

It's all of us got to this other side quicker, But I'm not saying, you know, I was one of those, but you know it, Eventually, I think we all have to come to the agreement that there's some things that happened around Bigfoot and Sasquatch that were just unexplainable, that physical beings cannot cannot do these certain things.

All right, And if if you want to look at what I guess you could call the fun part, but it's not really fun.

Is this would mean that a sasquatch would be the descendant of Lilith, So that would you know, or or one of the queens of Damons.

It would be like her grandchild right or and beyond.

But uh, that kind of hints back to why is Lilith in the desert finding rest with these hairy creatures, you know in Isaiah?

So because they're I don't know, man.

Because they're her, her grandchildren, their family.

Yeah, it could be mammal.

Wow, Yeah, that's I think that's a great theory.

I'm I'm buying into it.

You know.

It's a I feel that a lot of these and people have to realize that these are all theories we're all speculating.

But sometimes we come from a place of research and trying to do our best to try to make sense of what is going on in this world.

Because we are physical beings, we have a spiritual aspect to us.

But a lot of this battle is very spiritual, and we we don't see it.

We don't see the spiritual side of it.

But you know, we can subvertly start to see it more and more as you become more and more aware of it going on.

Absolutely, man, And that's the thing with research.

I couldn't make it not make sense.

And that's that's the thing like you when you when you really research something, you don't just try to prove yourself right.

You try to prove yourself wrong.

Yes, and I haven't been able to prove myself wrong on that one.

I've proven myself wrong.

And I've been proven wrong on a lot of things in my life, you know what I mean, A lot of things.

I thought aliens were us from the future, you know.

I thought it was our descendants that just figured it out and coming back to warn us about something.

And that's why they were, uh, you know, they had evolved to where they were weak of body and strong in mind and things like it says what we're going to do, and I'm like, well, this is it, dude, I got to figure it out.

I got it now.

And then Dad gone it that turns out to be demons too, huh.

So yeah, everything's demons.

That's it.

Everything's yeah.

Yeah.

Uh That's why I can't really enjoy uh, you know these paranormal encrypted conventions anymore.

Like I went there and totally ruined one.

Uh.

I got invited to go to Ohio.

Have you heard of Cryptids of the Corn?

Yes, yes, okay, great, guys, I love them.

They invited me to come up to Ohio a couple of years ago, about three years ago, I guess, and be on this panel.

We were like b listers, you know.

Everybody was like, how did you get your start?

And Everybody's like Tony Merkle, Tony Merkle all the way down the line, you know.

And I was still waiting to get on Tony's show, and I was like, I'm hoping to be made by Tony Mark one of these things.

Yeah, yeah, I'll get there.

But we were on this panel and I was going to talk about, oh man, I think I was going to talk about the relationship between different crypt ins of West Virginia or something.

Okay, Yeah, but before I got there, the whole thing got turned on his head and I started talking about spiritual warfare and I printed out like pages of information and just did like a big call to Christ right there on stage instead.

I mean, I don't know.

Sometimes we're called sometimes we are called to do, you know, to take the pulpit and do or appreciate it.

Yes, yeah, and you know, honestly, thank the Lord.

A guy gave his life to the Lord there that night.

So I felt like that was the whole reason why I went.

You know, it had to be.

I drove six hours.

It's funny because I was going to say, you know, all you need is one person, one person to make that change, and there you just said it.

That one person might be responsible for something that you will never know, but it could be of such greatness that the world needs.

And you you were the fuse that started that.

Thank the Lannalist, Thank the Lord.

Awesome.

So now back to Lila here.

I have you had personally any experiences with Lilith.

It's herself.

I'm gonna say it's so so, it's very mull pretty much could.

Be yeah, unfortunately, Yeah, this is very room that I'm sitting in I used to be my daughter's bedroom.

She moved out a few years ago, right around eighteen.

But before she left, you know, she had went through a lot of what we thought at the time was mental health issues.

Things just got weirder and weirder.

Man.

But when we uh, it's a very long story, right, but we got we got down into a weed.

When we got down into the weeds of everything, man, and we're like going through her stuff because she's I don't want to air her laundry, but there's some things were going on that shouldn't have been going on in her life and in her mind.

But when when I dug into some things, I found where she was trying to summon Lilith, and I think it worked.

You know, there's a whole personality switch, there's a whole identification switch.

It just things got real dark, real quick.

And you know, that's part of the reason why I did all the research on her.

I guess, you know, if I'm being one hundred percent honest with myself, you try to figure out, you know, you try to get to the root of what's wrong so you can help people.

And yeah, bro, and she's she's had an effect on my life.

And she is a stealer of children.

And I don't think it's just babies, you know, I think she'll take you know that she was my youngest.

You know, that's my baby.

And it totally took over her mind, her mindset.

It turned old Dad into the enemy out of the blue.

And then there's there's been other times like also about three years ago, I did a little expedition with some buddies up here.

They used to have a podcast called The Sword and Staff.

It was a Josh Robinson and a couple of other friends and Ward Honey.

I don't know if you know who war it is.

He's he does like a lot of directing and documentary videography and stuff like that for like a small town monsters and Tony Merkle and stuff.

He came down with us and we went on this little trip and we were going to do this like docuse and we were recording it.

We went to this serpent mound that we found here in well fifteen miles away from my house.

A wow, and we got into a spiritual battle.

I guess I'll say, at this serpent mound and when I come home, you know, before we left there.

There's like Alice hooting and stuff, and we're talking about Lilith and this stuff and that stuff, and those guys they were getting into some other kind of mix with other people's stories that was tying into Lilith.

And you know, I wake up in the middle of the night three different occasions, was like spiders crawling on my neck, dude.

And that's never happened to me before in my life, not even camping, and it's never happened again since.

But it's just like these warnings, you know, of like you're getting into some kind of some serious darkness.

So yeah, there's uh, there's there's times where like I'll shed light on who this entity is.

Like even at church, I'll be outside talking to my pastor and an owl will come out of nowhere and land under the light post, you know.

Or me and my wife will be talking about it and we'll go around a curve and there's this two and a half foot tall owl sitting in the middle of the road that won't leave, like you have to drive around it.

Two and a half foot tall is yeah, like it's it's bigger than a barred owl should be kind of thing.

Or I went on another show called The Dancing Toaster, which absolutely love the Dancing Coaster podcast if you ever listen to I have never heard of that.

That is quite the unique.

Well I'm assuming it's Italian with Ghostbusters with the when they put the slime in the toast and the toaster.

Yep, it's a Ghostbuster reference.

But uh, this dude, now, he had me on his show, and this is what we talked about.

You know.

I talked a little bit about Lilith with him, so he's just like giving me a shout out right, and I'm I'm going hunting.

I'm up on the mountain and going through this logging road and I hear him mention he mentioned my name on a show.

So I stopped on this trail and I'm listening to him talk and he's like, yeah, both says there's a connection between Lilith and these owls and bro as sure as I'm sitting here.

As soon as he said that, an out comes and lands beside my jeep on a branch like twenty feet away from me in the middle of the day.

Get out.

Yeah, man, it's just like, yeah, we were listening, you know, and it's it's that kind of jump constantly in my life.

Those types of coincidences, uh, synchronicities, I guess you would call them.

They're undeniable.

When when something like that happens, it's uh, yeah, it's for me.

I mean, it wasn't a cardinal landing beside me.

It wasn't like you know what I mean, it's not a dog in the road.

That stuff makes sense.

It's the daytime, or it's it's whatever.

Uh, it's always that.

It's always that, and I'm not I'm not sitting here looking for it.

It just happens.

And that's I don't know, it's just little hints.

And the Bible said that we are peculiar people right as Christians were.

So I don't mind if people think I'm weird.

That's what I did that with that, I don't I don't care everyeople believe it or think I'm just a weirdo.

I'm just I'm just speaking truth, dude.

This is the stuff that happens.

Yeah, it's now.

I'll tell you about one of my experiences that I had was I would love to hear it.

Yeah.

So we were driving to old I mean El Paso, Texas.

I live here in Mexico, We're in Shihuahua, driving up for an event and doing some shopping as well.

But on the way back, I got like this vision in my mind that I was going to see a dead bird on the side of the road and its wing would be sitting there like this, waving out and and this happens quite often to me, where I get these intuition of something's going to happen or or you know, look for this.

And and my wife never said a lot of times she doesn't believe me, because I'm like, oh, yeah, this came to me, and and because like, let's say I find it, and like, oh yeah, I was told I was going to find this, and she's like, I don't believe that.

So this time I made a point.

I'm like, hey, if I stop all of a sudden, it's because of this and because I this, and I'm supposed to stop.

And this is before me really getting onto the Christian pathway.

But as I'm driving, sure enough, maybe I would say, I'm saying less than twenty minutes, but I see this wing waving to me on the side of the road like this, and I go, I pull over, go up and it is a barn owl dead a dead barn owl, and I took the wings of it and I tried to bury it as best as possible.

Now this is something I still have.

I still have the wings of the owl here, and and I would say definitely that I've gone through some tough you know, this is just before my daughter was born as well, and I would say the last nine ten years have been extremely difficult.

And keep thinking, I'm like, did I invite?

Did I take something and bring it into my house?

And I still have it here to this day?

And is this been what has been affecting my life ever since?

Like, don't get me wrong, I know we've all made bad choices in our life and certain things.

But I'm wondering if this is just like an invitation, I've invited something in that maybe I should not have.

Well do if it's on your mind for a reason, burn it, burn it, get rid of it, you know what I mean?

I had found books that again out of my own Naivita, I guess you just being trying to be a good dad, you know what I mean.

I would buy my daughter whatever she wanted, and it'll be books on crystals, or it'll be books on whatever.

I just felt like it was harmless back at the time that I was inviting stuff in.

Dude, but I get to where I burn everything.

I see, man that if it's in my house and it's not, if it's even questionable, he goes in the fire pit.

Now.

And I went so far as to I went to a good will and found a couple of books that I wanted to buy, and right below them, like it was on display, was this book.

One was literally called Witchcraft for Dummies, and the other book was this how to Be.

It was a grimoire for a certain type of witchcraft called green Witches, and it was like three or four generations of incantations and spells and ingredients that this line of witches had pulled together, and it was like this resource book.

So I bought those two and I took it up to the counter and I told the lady, I said, look, just so you don't think that I'm some kind of warlock or something, I said, I'm buying these books nobody else does, and I'm going to take them home and I'm going to set them on fire.

And she's like, well, I can't tell you what to do.

I was like, good, and I do that.

I do just that thing.

Man, I come home, put the books out, set it on fire, and I'm loving it.

Right, I decide to record what I'm doing, and I used a couple of firestarters, just to make sure it would go, of course, because it's way harder to burn a book than what you would imagine.

And I used to be all about, oh, we can't burn books.

It's some kind of censorship.

No, it's if it's not of the Lord, why not.

So anyway, I use these fire starters, and I set these books on fire.

Right, everything looks like a big, beautiful orange glow.

But when I record it through my phone, the fire starters are burning orange or yellow, you know, like the true, you know, typical fire.

These books, dude, we're burning this weird green color, different papers in that fire pit.

Even if it had ink in the pages, we're burning orange.

But these books were burning green.

Wow.

And there's I live, you know I live in It's yeah, dude, yeah, Like And where I live.

I live on a hillside.

Everybody does.

That's just West Virginia.

All of this is hills and valleys.

But behind my house I can hear something running the property line, but it won't come down any closer.

But it's just like it's just beating it back and forth up there, man.

And uh I realized then too, I had marked my property and I've annointed my property where nothing can come down.

And I realized in that moment that that I had pissed something off, you know what I mean.

It was just again, some people will call it, yeah, something would call it a coincidence.

But that's stuff that happens now, you know.

But you gotta you gotta take that kind of those kind of opportunities you've established if I can get those books off the shelf.

So it's not your house.

Sorry, So it's not your something's going with a bit of a lag hero for me.

But so it's not just your house.

Now you have established your property as your domain as well, so things aren't allowed to enter that anymore.

It sounds like, yes.

Sir, I you hear me.

Okay, yeah, yeah, that was me on my end.

Sorry, I apologize, Yeah, oh no, you're good.

I took some steaks and I staked out my property and each of these steaks have scripture written on them.

And I staked off, you know, the corners of my my property lines, and I anointed it with oil and prayed over each each place.

It's kind of funny because as I drove in the last steak and I said a prayer, I turned around and then absolutely lost my footing and fell flat on my back.

Man, and my wife was laughing.

She's like, yeah, some something got one more swipe at you before you go.

Yeah yeah, I uh yeah, man.

And I had I had one more other experience here that.

So there is right next to where I lived in Central Mexico.

Uh, there was.

A house that was it was kind of abandoned.

It was abandoned for a while.

They eventually finished it, but uh, some barn owls roosted in there and had baby barn owl and let me tell you, those things are annoying and screaming.

But one night, when we were driving away, I noticed an extremely tall lady clad all in black with huge wide brim hat, very reminiscent of I think a lot of people will call that Santa Morte.

In that area.

And it was like everything was just blacker than black, and it was standing and we're talking like seven feet tall.

And I don't know if that was my mind's I've seen in this, but I you know, I can.

I see a lot of things, and that was one thing that I saw was this very tall it was like a black flowy type dress, huge wide brim hat, and I think there was a veil.

Yes, there was a black veil over top of this.

I write this stuff down because sometimes I don't remember something as well.

But standing her back was to me standing, you know, facing in towards the house.

It's kind of like in the graduate was like an open air gradge, you know, just a roof kind of on it, and I was standing in the gradge kind of looking at towards the house.

So it was again tying in with these owls.

These owls were roosting and staying in this location.

And then I, you know, I see this and this is like there's one empty lot and then there's this property that great neck pretty close to us.

It's you know, we weren't living out in the country.

They were just regular city lots.

So it was it.

You know, I'm just like, okay, that's a that's a little crazy.

That is dude.

They call her the Saint of Death, is that what they dette?

Yes, yeah, that there there is a It gets very very dark, you know, it's extremely Yeah, it's you know, making sacrifices to her, like the some of the cartels, like they're no one to kill people, bring them back so they can kill them again in honor of this, Yes, like revive someone with like you know, like the paddles, bring them back and then so they can kill you again.

It's in honor of of her, is what it is.

Yeah, it's it's dark, you know.

I would say that Mexico has it is a very religious and spiritual place, like the I think that, like I grew up in Canada, and in Canada it's very religious.

The spiritual aspect is not really tied into into the religion here, but here it is.

It's very very common.

But not only is there the good, you know, the spiritual side, there is the dark as well, you know, like the sentemuerte is is one of those.

Yeah, I've heard that before.

I didn't know it was a woman, yes, wow.

Yeah.

One way to tell is if it's santo, that's with an oh, it's that's your male and this is your female.

So yeah, I should have caught that right off the bat, but i'd never get I've heard people say it referred to it I've seen street preachers talk about it, trying to talk with people down in Texas or New Mexico or whatever, and you know they'll be wrapped up in that.

Yeah, it's it's very very dark practice and something I haven't looked too much into.

I've heard other people talk about it.

I was going to have someone on talk about that, but that fell through and they just kind of backed out, which happens.

It happens, But yeah, it's there.

There's a lot of things that go on in here, a lot of dark magic, you know, a lot of There is a lot of magic that goes on here in Mexico, and and people believe in it wholeheartedly, you know, Like there is like you know, bruhas and bruhles and and people hire them to a lot of times.

It's all about jealousy.

That's what this magic really thrives on here, is jealousy.

Because there's a lot of women who are jealous of their men, so they will go and pay someone to shape shift and follow their men to keep an eye on him.

And that's where like the black dogs, the stories about black dogs it comes from.

Because a lot of these.

Brujos will transform into into an animal, and yeah, and tail someone you know, to keep an eye on them to see if they're her boyfriend's cheating or her husband's cheating.

It's it's something that happens actually quite often.

You get a lot of stories about this.

Yeah, like I don't know, that's I believe it one hundred percent as the thing one hundred percent.

I believe it when when we talk about animals being people shape shifting into animals, or or animals being some kind of spirit or whatever else, that's all biblical too.

Man.

You know, Jesus cast the Deep, the legiond of Damons into the Swan.

That that's all the hint I need to know that animals can have demons in them.

You know.

How, I got a story for you of a kind of something that happened to me.

And I'm sure you know my audience has heard me say this a couple of times already, but I'm going to tell you because you're more than welcome to share this episode on your channel as well.

So okay, so here we go.

This is the experience that happened to me.

This was August of twenty four and it starts off as a regular everyday kind of occurrence.

I went to I was going to a local grocery store, and I parked out front because they have the best.

They have good, good cheese and good bacon at a good price.

So that's where that's where I go for that.

It's a small little grocery story.

So I pull up up front and as I'm as I'm sitting there, all of a sudden, my vision starts to something starts happening to my vision.

And I wrote this out in Reddit and I got lamb based it because everyone's like, oh, that's a that's an ocular migraine.

I don't know if you ever had an ocular migraine.

Okay, so you start to see colors and things like that.

There's no pain, but you see colors.

And if it stopped there, if there's nothing else happened, okay, it's an ocular migraine.

But it progressed.

So I'm sitting there and I'll be very descriptive for those who who don't know what I'm talking about.

It.

It looks if you stare at the sun and then you look around and you start to see like these flashes, these really intense colors.

The best way to call it would be like plasma.

It almost looks like this plasma for me, that's what it did.

And I'm like, what is going on?

Okay, starting to get a little worried.

I need to get my stuff, so I go in.

As as I'm walking into the store, this randomness.

Goes away.

It's not random anymore.

Now I can clearly see a triangular frame for me.

Okay, so I can see over here.

I got the up and down and then it goes down like this and then up like this.

Okay, And by that, I mean this plasma has now formed into this triangular frame.

And the plasma itself is like rolling onto itself.

It's just kind of like rolling.

It's like a big, huge roller.

And we're talking colors that like hot pink, like pink and orange and yellow and green and all mixed together, just just kind of like and if anything, there's kind of like a smoky te like it's I don't want to say it's smoky, but it's kind of like wisps, that's the best way to call it.

Whisks are coming off, and I'm like, what, I'm freaking out.

I'm standing in line at the deli and this has now taken up about fifty percent of my vision, okay, and so I can I can kind of like I can see over so I can see what's happeny.

And so I stand there and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna is it my eyes, So I'm gonna check one eye I can still see it.

I'm going to check this other eye.

I still see it.

And as I'm standing there.

Now this is where we move away from ocular migraine because as I'm standing there, I can actually start to see through.

I see through to the other side.

Okay.

And what what this is the best way to describe this is if you had a fixed point in a completely other dimension.

Okay, So like someone has a Wi Fi camera in another direction, you have no control over it.

It's just fixed.

So no matter where I looked, I can still see the same thing.

It's just it's it's a static picture, but it's it's moving.

So now this is what I see.

So off to the left, I can see a cinder block walk, okay.

So and then I can see a metal roof going up and over me and down on the other side.

Now everything and I I want to you know, preface this that everything all the colors are either like these browns or rusts, you know that.

That is all I see.

Now the floor is strewn with rubble, and off to my right, instead of there being a wall, the wall has been blown out, blown in actually is the best way to describe it, because that is what I'm assuming the rubble is.

It's from the wall that's blowing in lying all over the ground.

The rubble is eroded or it's not rough like sharp edges.

It's more roundish.

So I'm assuming that this has been like this for quite a while and it's just laying out all like this.

Now off in the distance I can see is very large industrial looking fans.

Okay, now, some.

Of them are stacked too high.

Some are just individuals and they're they're like in big boxes.

I don't know if you've seen like compressors for air conditionings, like uh, not the square ones, but more of the flat ones, like the mini split ones.

That's what it kind of looks like, but on a grand scale.

And the fans inside are just slowly moving and they're moving in a counterclockwise they're moving counterclockwises.

I'm staring at them, and like I said, they're about too high.

Summer one and in total maybe maybe seven eight, anywhere from six to eight.

And then I up in the sky.

I can see these clouds rushing by.

It's kind of like this incandescent to kind of glow.

But these brownish clouds are just flying by and I don't see anything else.

This is what I see, and I'm that's all I see is and it's not changing now.

If I focus my vision around what's going on into this life, I kind of lose perspective, like it's still there, but I'm not focusing on it.

You know.

I'm like, like if you have the TV and someone's talking behind you and you're not focusing on the TV.

It's still there, it's playing, but you're looking past it because I'm like, Okay, I need to deal with what I'm doing here.

So you know, I got my cheese, got my bacon, and I got out of there and I get into the car and I'm like, what do I do?

Like, I I'm having trouble seeing, but I want to get home.

I'm I'm a little freaked out.

So I I drive home.

I'm about a block away.

Maybe not the safest thing to do, but it's a smaller well.

I'm here in Mexico and it's it's I'm not saying that's for any other reason, but it's a short distance.

I'm really close.

I get home, I still see this and we're talking this is coming on too close to like fifteen minutes at least.

I oh goodness, go upstairs and I go into the bedroom and my wife's in the bathroom and I tell her.

I'm like, uh, I got it this time.

I don't know.

I have no idea what an ocular migraine is or anything, but I'm like, I have a headache.

I need to lay down.

And she's like, oh, okay, yeah, go lee down.

So I lay down and I'm sitting there and I'm like, I'm still seeing this and still seeing this, and I'm not getting I'm getting sick because I'm scared and I'm worried.

So then I pray.

At that point I prayed.

I'm like, you know, Jesus Christ, thank you for letting me see this now, but can you take it away?

Within one minute?

Gone?

Everything gone?

Nothing?

Wow?

And I I'm sitting there like what did I see?

And like I was freaking out because I'm like, is there something mentally going wrong?

There's something wrong with my eyes, what is happening.

So it took me a little bit to kind of come to terms with this.

But I did message a couple of my friends, right, I don't know, if you know, if you heard of Brad from the Awakened podcast.

Show Sounds from Melkay.

Or my other friend Matt from Planet four twelve, you know, I message them and I'm like, you'll never believe what just happened.

And they're like, dude, that's so crazy.

I'm like, tell me about it.

I have this.

I was talking with Paul Stobbs from I don't know the fhlone looked like clowns, and he recounts an experience that he had.

I believe it was.

Like a dream that was realer than real kind of thing, and it was with hat Man, and hat Man was in this exact type of world that I had described.

And so Paul has told me about this and we're comparing notes.

And then I was talking with Nick from the Occult Rejects and he's had experience as well.

Though he's had he was in a Sepia type world where he had seen like snakes and scorpions in this world that I didn't see any any type of being.

And then there was another gentleman on on Tony's show where they were talking about he had seen through a little portal.

I think this is the one where they had these little creatures coming in there like killing them with flashlights, like shining their light on him and they just reappear.

And there was this he talked about a portal and he had seen like this twisted tree on the other side of this portal in this like post apocalyptic type of world.

I don't you never went into too much detail, so I and again this is speculation, and this is just what I believe, what I'm feeling, what I was showing, what I believe I was shown, was this this world where the disembodied spirits in habit.

This is the world where they walk around where they thirsty.

They're thirst but they'll never quench that thirst.

They hunger, but they will never uh you know, feel that feel that hunger, and it's it's forever.

So what do they want to do.

They want to possess us.

They want to come back into us, into a physical aspect, so they can eat and be full, drink and you know and fill you know, do drugs, taking you know, any like you know, sexual kind of things as well.

It's to partake in these worldly, worldly thing.

And to destroy the vessel that they're in.

Yeah, I don't think all like, yes, I believe some of them do.

But I believe some of them aren't even there to destroy the vessel.

They just want something to inhabit so they can feel again.

And don't get me wrong, I do believe that they do destroy it like addictions, like I think, and I'm not saying that's where addictions all come from, but I believe that's where we do get some addictions because they overindulge, you know, like myself, I'm overweight because I love sugar, and I'm like, you know, is it just because I love sugar?

Or and this is this is the far stretch.

But is it that there's demons inside of us that want to partake in these kinds of things as well, you know, with whether it be like pornography as well or something like that.

It's just you know, like this need for it.

Like even when you're like, why.

Am I doing that?

I shouldn't be doing that.

We know better, But there's something like this, this drive that is pushing us to do something else.

I believe it is that.

And that's one of the reasons I think that the demons ask Jesus to cast them out into swine.

It is because they did not want to end up into this area again, you know, they don't they want to swine.

They can eat and they can still you know, do other things.

And that is my belief of what that was, you know, and I wow, it was It was a it was an experience that I haven't really had much many experiences after that, but it was so remarkable, so crazy, so intense.

Yeah.

Absolutely, that's exactly what it sounds like.

Dude, Like you're singing into the other side and there you've got confirmation from two or three other people.

Yeah, and I'm completely open, like you said, you know, sometimes you want to disprove things.

I'm open to any of course, when I posted this on Reddit, they're like, you need to go to the doctors and get your head checked out.

You know this this so that's an ocular migrain.

And I'm like, I'm okay to believe that it's an ocular mind up to the point where I started seeing something through on the other side, and you know, was it that I allowed it?

That I took it that far.

I'm like, Okay, let's see what's beyond this.

Maybe that's what because no one really can explain an ocular migraine.

They're like, oh, it's from stress, or it's from it's from this, or it's from that.

They don't really know what an ocular migraine is because ocular migraines don't don't have pain.

And I was reading about this, but I don't know if this is true.

They said it only occurs in one eye, but this was I specifically tested both eyes.

I didn't know at that time, but I was like, Okay, I gotta try checking this out a little bit of scientific evaluations here.

Yeah, man, man see, I guess I need to be more careful what I pray for because I pray for visions, you know, I pray for prophecy and stuff like that.

And if you're that sounds horrifying, I'll be honest, dude, that's stuff like something you don't want to receive.

And it's interesting the you you asked for it to be taken, then it.

Was, yeah, And I would say it was within about a minute that I asked that.

And I I have seen I have a lot of experience where I've seen a lot of terrifying things, you know, when I was around the young man age.

The best way to describe it is when I I had some of the scariest experiences of my life.

And it was at that point where I started pursuing the New Age, and it was it was not to be like, oh, love and Light, but it was for me to be able to protect myself from these things when I went that route, instead of maybe trying to go back to back to God but or back to church, because church wasn't really an answer for me at that time.

It was this is religion.

We don't deal with any of that other stuff.

But I feel now that it's I come back now with a whole new.

Perspective, and that is that good.

But like I was saying, I've had a lot of experiences after those when I was younger, I've had a lot more, but it's kind of become normal for me.

Like I see a lot of things, I hear a lot of things.

I get visions, like you might say, prophecies, But this one was one that actually scared me.

Again, it was nothing not many things have scared me for a long time, you know, And but.

That was one of them.

You know, when I saw the like the what I think could be sent themte you know, I was like, oh, okay, that's interesting.

I at that same house that I was living in, not the house that I saw that sent them out there, but the house that was right next door.

You know, I saw.

A young teenager in a hoodie literally walk through the wall, and I'm like, uh, okay, that's interesting.

You know.

I would tell my wife some of these things, but she would get kind of freaked out to the point that I'm like, Okay, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna mention these things that I see anymore, and we'll just keep that to myself.

But like I said, this one was one of those ones where it's just like, Okay, what are you seeing?

And you know, I'm trying to figure out exactly what it is.

Is it a vision of like a possible future of a post apocalyptic world, or is it something else?

This barren wasteline.

One thing I did when I've watched Constantine, the movie Constanting with Candon Reeves, when he crosses over and he goes to Hell to rescue that woman, there is a very that type.

It's kind of it was kind of very similar to what I saw though.

This was like things were burning but there was like this storm, this browns and everything that was pretty darn close to what I was seeing other than you, like, like I remember in his vit or when he was there, there's things that were kind of burning up and whatnot.

But that was not what I saw.

This was this is this is crazy.

You know, maybe it was like the first.

Level of the hell.

I don't know, man, the way you're describing it.

You know, there's barren wasteland and like you said, uh, you were speaking to somebody of enough to about they go to these dry places or whatever.

That's that's also in the Bible, man, when you cast a demon out of somebody, they go to the to the dry places, and they wonder, and then they want to return.

And as they find your home swept empty and clean, they they return and bring seven worse than they are with them.

So of course your house has to be filled with the Holy Spirit, right, Okay.

I was like, what do you mean by swept u swept clean or or you know, empty and swept clean.

But it's because it's not filled with the Holy Spirit.

Okay, right, Yeah, it's it's your house is emptied because that demon has been driven out, so that your your home, your spiritual, your body is unoccupied.

And unless you're unless you're filled with the Holy Spirit, you know, they have an open invitation to return and more.

I'm going to share something with you here.

So I believe that we should use you know, AI is a tool, and I believe that for not using divination for it, I think, like we can still use it.

But if you're using it to, oh, tell me what I should do with this, you know, tell me about this.

No, but if you're using it as like, because Google is the exact same thing.

So I have my images with it too, man, Okay, So I asked I try asking for it to make the best image that I could close to what I saw.

This is kind of what I saw, but these fans were much further in the background.

The sky was moving much faster.

And then I made it into a video so it kind of gives it a little more texture.

So this is kind of similar to what I saw, you know, but there was nothing in behind these fans.

It was maybe like a slight heel of rubble.

Maybe I felt like there was a road behind there or something like that.

But yeah, this this is kind of what I was seeing in that area and it and it was just constant, constant seeing this, just this constant view.

I did not, like I said, I didn't see anything alive.

It was just barren and like you said, this dry wasteland, which is which is interesting.

You know it is it is.

Oh well, vo, I don't know.

You know, we hit on lilith a bit here.

We kind of went off and we went and started talking about it, which is which is great.

I have you know, I think I think this conversation was has been fantastic and it was great to actually finally sit down with you and uh just just chat.

Brother.

I've enjoyed it thoroughly and I've looked forward to this conversation and uh again, my apologies that we didn't make it happen sooner, but that's okay.

Everything has happened.

Things do happen.

I know there was like bumbing issues as well, and it's like, yeah, dude, yeah, everything happens for a reason, So this is it was supposed to happen now and hey that's perfect.

So one last time, bo, where can everybody find you?

Yes, sir?

Any podcast platform, TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, sporadically.

But everything's under the title The Bump Podcast.

If you don't mind, I'd like to plug something else real quickly.

Yes, no, no, no, not at all.

That's what that's what this time is for, you know, in the beginning and at the end.

That's what I always tell my guests.

I tell my guests, I say, I don't care if you crochet, you know, mittens or something.

Anything you want to promote by all means.

Yeah.

Man.

Back in March, I released a book.

It's called The Army of God pocket God to Spiritual Warfare, and it's a collection of sermons that I gave.

It's in depth notes on eleven different aspects of spiritual warfare, how the enemy will attack us, and how we, through Christ can return fire and overcome.

We have the victory already.

But it's it's sold a bunch of copies.

It's on Amazon.

It's it's at a Christmas level prices I know will probably be post Christmas when this releases.

Yeah, but the book's just twelve bucks, so it's it's definitely it's definitely worth your time to pick that up and read it.

It's got you can check out the reviews on Amazon.

It's done very well, and I thank the Lord for that.

I gave these sermons.

I go to a tiny little church, and I just felt like it wasn't reaching who it was supposed to reach, and so I put it together in book form and boom, there it goes.

I hope it reaches who it's supposed to for sure.

And the links will be down below, so anybody who is listening or watching, I'll make sure I have the links for his book in the show notes.

So make sure you guys click on that and go check it out.

Thank you very much.

With that, last week, I released a second book, There we Go One.

Okay, I got the Fever Man.

This one is a fiction novel that I wrote.

It's a plausible fiction novel for it, it is overtly Christian.

I was looking for a book that would get into some kind of paranormal, supernatural kind of thing set in Appalachia.

I wanted cryptids.

I wanted like archaeology.

I wanted some local folklore.

I wanted some local native culture stuff.

I wanted to you know, I was looking for a specific genre and I couldn't find it.

So I wrote it and it was a lot of fun to write.

And I say it's plausible fiction because there is a lot of fact mixed in there.

There's loosely some experiences that we've had might loosely be mentioned.

And also the antagonist in this is none other than Lilith, So it was interesting that you wanted to talk about Lilith.

Of course, so all of my notes, I know I gave like a skimmed over version, but all of my notes on that entity are in that book.

So if that if it interests you to learn more about that and enjoy a good fiction novel, pick that up.

It's called Terror by Night.

It's also on Amazon and I just released it, so hope you enjoy it.

Yeah.

So so end of December this will be coming out, So if you guys are you know, listener watching, go check out his other book as well'd be great to read for new you.

I think that's when this beak popping out.

So yes, of course, of course, all right, bo again, thank you so much for coming on.

And uh, I really appreciated the conversation.

I thank you brother.

That kind of one more thing.

Yeah, yeah, sorry, I'm sorry, I would be I feel like I didn't do a service if I don't uh.

Romans ten, verse none says that if you believe in your heart, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord, and you believe in your heart that God rose him from the dead, you will be saved.

Okay, it's it's that easy to turn to Christ.

Please, please don't let a day go by without Jesus in your life.

He is the way, the truth in that life.

He is our defense against the darkness.

And there that's all I needed to say.

I love it.

I so remember I said, like, I know things are going to happen.

I was like waiting for you to read a scripture.

I was waiting for it as.

Like I should have said.

I'm like, I should tell him, you know, if he wants to say something, you know, wants to give a prayer or a scripture, please do I'm like, no, no, I won't say it.

And then you do it.

I'm like, yeah, of course there it is.

There we go.

Hey, you got to call him to christ Man.

Yeah, I hope everybody's up there with me because I'm going.

Yeah, I agree, I agree, Thank you so much, Bo And just holding there for a couple of minutes.

Yes, sir, all right, everyone, welcome, welcome, well, welcome to the end of the show.

I like that.

Yeah, so that was a very interesting talk.

I really enjoyed talking with bo there.

You know, he's got some great insights on Lilith, very insightful because I was on the oppression that Lilith was Adam's first wife.

But that's completely wrong now I'm seeing that.

You know, Lilith was chosen for one of the sons of God, which was one of the fallen, and yeah, I'm the mother of the demons, mother of the Nephelom.

Crazy crazy, you know.

So our conversation went from that, and it went into your spiritual battle, because that is you know, we started talking about a spiritual battle, because that's what we're always in.

We are in these spiritual battles.

And if you don't if this bothers you, if this kind of like irks you a little bit, or like, oh I don't like you guys talking about this, well take a step back and just realize that it is much more than you actually know.

The spiritual battle is happening, whether you like it or not.

You know, the dark Side doesn't want you to know they don't want They want to keep you oblivious.

You know, go watch you know, some guys playing football.

Go go watch your Netflix.

And don't get me wrong, still enjoy your Netflix.

But know that this stuff is happening.

And when you see that for what it is, when you start to see that we are in the spiritual battle, you start to see that these shows are you know, giving us these subliterinal, subliminal messages, and we have to be aware of it at all times.

You know, that's how they get into our children.

You know, be careful what your children are watching and what they're ingesting, because because it can affect them.

You know, sometimes we don't even know and they're being affected, maybe by some outside force, by something else.

So keep an eye on everything and everyone, and keep your home in order.

I will too, And like I always say, guys, keep your curiosity wandering, keep the light lit, and always find your way home.

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