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The bomb in Judy Barry's car detonated just before noon on May twenty fourth, nineteen ninety in Oakland.

It was armed by a timer made from an analog wristwatch.

Unless tampered with, the timer could only run twelve hours, which gave a rough time period during which the bomb must have been placed under the driver's seat in Judy's car.

She spent that night before the bombing in the guest room in the apartment of a man named Dave Kemnitzer.

They arrived there after a meeting at the Seeds of Peace House.

I haven't been able to determine an actual time that Judy parked her car at Kemnitzer's house, but for the sake of our let's say eleven PM on May twenty third.

That means that the bomb, again, assuming the watch was not tampered with, was placed sometime after eleven am on May twenty third.

So a critical piece of determining who placed the bomb would be who had access to Judy's car after eleven am on May twenty third.

Let's expand the timeline a little to show Judy's movements in the forty eight hours before the bomb detonated.

On the evening of May twenty second, two nights before the bombing, Judy attended a secret meeting at a will at Steiner.

She parked across the street from the meeting and locked her car doors.

From Judy's deposition, given just before her death in nineteen ninety.

Seven, what was the purpose of that meeting, we'd lived.

We were trying to meet with the loggers and the log company owners, the small company owners, not the big corporations, so that we could work out peaceful really with them.

We were being publicly threatened, and we're trying to establish a rapport and make them understand that we weren't going to as baptized their equipment or try to direct our protests against them.

The FBI looked into whether it would be easy to break into a car undetected by people in the restaurant and concluded that it wasn't.

But this is where the Lord's Avenger letter says that the bomb was placed.

I put the bomb in her car whilst she was at a meeting with the loggers.

But of course this would mean that the timer wouldn't arm the bomb for more than twenty four hours, which isn't how the bomb was constructed.

Anderson Valley Advertiser Managing editor Mark Scaramella.

Everything in the Large Avenger letter is correct in my opinion, except for where it was placed, and that's part of the distraction, you know.

I think that was intentionally he put that in there, it to sound credible and then added one element of it and make it.

Don't know this was a Willets exercise.

After the meeting in Willet's, Judy returned to her house.

Her ex husband, Mike Sweeney, lived in a different house on the same property.

She most likely did not lock her car that night, as their property was remote and no one would be stopping by to take something from the car.

This, of course would give Mike Sweeney the opportunity to place the bomb under the driver's seat.

But you again run into the problem of the timing.

Even if he had waited until dawn, say six in the morning, the bomb would have been armed in Oakland before Judy drove from the Seeds of Peace meeting to Dave Kemnitzer's house and would have detonated.

Then The next stop is the first, which fits with the timing.

Judy stopped in Yukaya at the Mendocino Environmental Center.

She locked her car doors.

The Lords Avengeer letter claimed that the bomb was placed in Willits at a meeting that Judy Barry was having with the loggers.

But for that timing to work, the twelve hour watch would have had to malfunction, which is what the Lords of Anger letter says.

That it didn't kick down in the twelve hours, it took longer to tick down.

The more obvious conclusion is that it worked correctly, that it was set in Yukaia, and that it armed itself overnight while the car was parked in Oakland at the Knature House.

The location where the bomb was placed has ramifications for identifying who tried to kill Judy Barry.

I'm Toby Ball and this is rip current episode ten the usual Suspect.

In this episode, we are going to talk about the suspicion surrounding Judy Barry's ex husband, Mike Sweeney.

As I've mentioned a number of times over the season, there is there's no strong evidence linking anyone to the bombing of Judy Berry's car.

That's why it remains unsolved.

But Mike Sweeney is an interesting case, not just because of the factors which leads some people to believe that he is the likely perpetrator, but because of the way that Judy reacted and members of her tight knit circle still react to the suggestion that Sweeney might be a viable suspect.

You may notice that there are some people whose voices you haven't heard in this series.

The reason for this is that once they heard that I would be talking to people who believed Mike Sweeney was the most likely suspect, they chose not to participate and told me that they would encourage others not to participate.

It feels like an overreaction.

I asked why talking about Sweeney as a suspect was so important that it prevented them from talking about her life outside of the bombing, but I didn't receive an answer.

Anyway.

When I talk about how the argument over Sweeney threatens to diminish legacy, this is what I am talking about.

That being said, there's no direct evidence of his involvement, and there are reasons that seemed to make it unlikely that he could have done it, but he was never investigated, and that is a big part of the problem.

This episode, we'll talk about a guy named Bruce Anderson.

Bruce is a longtime owner and publisher of The Anderson Valley Advertiser, an unusual newspaper out of Boonville, California, population nine hundred and eighty five.

It is the paper for which Mark Scaramella is the managing editor.

Bruce wasn't able to tape an interview, but it's important to know right off the bat that Anderson became the strongest proponent of the Mike Sweeney as bomber theory.

He has written about it often and at length in the Advertiser and argued for it in other forums.

He too, is puzzled by the vehemence around not investigating Sweeney.

He asked this rhetorical quot question in the Anderson Valley Advertiser on February seventeenth, nineteen ninety nine.

Odd isn't it that speculation aimed at solving the mystery of who bombed Judy Berry is regarded as an attack on her memory.

Journalist Mike Janella.

The Mike Sweeney connection.

It's a he said, she said, They said, I don't know the truth of the matter, but I'll share with you what I do know about the scenario.

Judy's people, Darryl Cherney all the earth for a saying said, oh no, you can't talk about Mike Sweeney.

That's lies.

It can't be Mike Sweeney.

I know Bruce Anderson in the ABA, We've had some fierce debates over his take on things.

But I'll tell you what.

They were divorced.

Ex husbands are always a suspect in any kind of violent thing.

So what's the big surprise here, Well, of course they should be looking at Mike Sweeney, and especially when you go back to when they were living in Sonoma County and the airport fire bombing or whatever the hell went on there, even back to Mike Sweeney's Stanford days when supposedly he was hooked up with a radical group that was tied into the Isle of Vista bombing.

What I'm trying to say is, of course you should be looking at that individual.

I have no evidence that Mike Sweeney was somehow directly tied to this car bombing.

I don't think anyone has that kind of evidence.

The point is, if I were a cop, I'd be looking into his background.

Mike mentions an airport fire, bombing in Santa Rosa and a bombing and Isla Vista, and we'll get to both of those.

But Sweeney was first identified as a suspect in Steve Talbot's documentary Who Bombed Judy Berry Mark Scaramella.

Steve tealbritch groundbreaking documentary was the first major identification of Sweeney as a suspect.

He did the only serious investigation that was ever done on the case, and that documentary that he wrote and all that went with it.

When that aired, I opened some eyes, but it took a while for people to hone in.

Now it might seem surprising that law enforcement wouldn't aggressively investigate the ex husband in a bombing case like Judy's.

He's the ex husband.

That's a self evident question.

He's the ex husband.

The first person that should be suspected in any crimes against women is the man and the story.

Obviously, that's the first person that should be investigated and either included or excluded.

I mean a standard crime one oh one, and it was not done.

Writer and investigator David helvarg He was Steve Talbot's partner in making the Who Bombed Judy Berry documentary, He.

Was the only person who wouldn't go on cam were with us, of our suspects.

He did sort of eventually respond, why would he bomb his ex wife?

Because then he'd be stuck with the kids.

But he was at the least a legitimate target.

They were getting divorced, They were having a lot of conflicts at the time.

Journalists and filmmaker Steve Talbot.

Now, of all the people we interviewed or asked the interview, including the suspects or people we thought should be considered suspects, everyone talked to us except Sweeney.

And when I called him the first time, he slammed down the phone.

Second time he threatened to assume me he was hostile, So that of course made me even more suspicious.

So who was Mike Sweeney?

His background resembles that of many radicals of the sixties and seventies, a child of privilege who became radicalized in college.

Journalist Alexander Coburn was interested in the Judy Berry case and summed up Sweeney's early life.

It began its arc through human history as the first whale of a baby born to wealth in nineteen forty seven, son of an oil company lawyer who did a tour of duty in the Nixon administration.

From the pleasant surroundings of Upscale Santa Barbara Sweeney went to Stanford and became involved with a maoist group called Vinceremos, not to be confused with the Vinceremos Brigade, which took volunteers to Cuba to cut sugarcane.

Steve Talbot.

This was sort of a Black Panther wannabe group that was based, of all places, at Stanford.

He was at Stanford and he was part of that group, and they had a history of some bombings and violent history.

Vinceremos was led by a charismatic professor named Bruce Franklin.

It is probably best known for being an entry point to radical for young people who gained notoriety later, such as several members of the Symbionese Liberation Army, the group that kidnapped Patty Hurst.

More from Alexander Coburn.

Vince an Emos at Stanford was into Panther's style, black leather jackets and berets, plus guns.

Some of them would some of them the real things, the kind that people have a right to bear, though not discharge, as Vincedemos did fatally at an unarmed Hispanic kid transporting a prisoner from Chino.

This was an operation by Vince Ramos to free a prisoner named Ronald Batty.

During the course of the operation, one prison guard was killed and another wounded.

Mike Sweeney wasn't involved in this episode, but this was the organization he belonged to.

There is reason to believe that he was in some way involved in another action, this one involved burning down a bank.

In February of nineteen seventy, a series of riots broke out in Ila Vista, a community next to Santa Barbara, mostly populated by college students at University of California, Santa Barbara and another school.

On the twenty fifth, the Bank of America building was burned to the ground as rioters fought with sheriff's deputies in riot gear and tear gas fogged the air, and the.

Wound of Will the third left in my flope, I worked so well less continually going off.

Two months later, an article about the event written by Sweeney ran in the May nineteen seventy edition of The Radical magazine ramparts.

The description he gave of that day seemed to many people an indication that he'd actually been there on the scene.

And then there was another incident allegedly tied to Sweeney that involved the use of explosives.

This is Bruce Anderson writing in the February seventeenth, nineteen ninety nine edition of the Anderson Valley Advertiser.

Judy Barry told Steve Talbot, Dave helvarg Me, a woman named Mary True, Lisa Henry Russ, and Sylvia Bartley, private investigator named Sheila O'Donnell, and a half a dozen other people assembled one night in her String Creek cabin to discuss the case that Mike Sweeney had blown up the hangar in Sonoma County.

This was the bombing of the Santa Rosa Airfield in late October nineteen eighty.

He actually made a bomb that triggered a big fire at an airfield in Santa Rosa, a small airfield that was right near the house they were living in when they were first married and had two daughters.

That bomb again a complex in Sandory device that was very complex but didn't quite function as it was designed to.

And yet there was a polog who was sleeping over in one of the hangars, who barely escaped with his life.

I don't remember if it was a maintenance person or a pilot, but somebody was almost killed.

Apparently he didn't like the noise from the planes and the opposed expansion of this airport, and in her version, he did it.

She didn't want him to.

She thought it was a stupid idea.

She saw him once laying out this very elaborate system of wiring to trigger a bomb from a distance.

After she told me this, went back and looked at that.

It turns out there was a fire bombing of that airfield.

The one guy who was there sleeping in the barracks had to run for his life from that fire.

The Santa Rosa Press Democrat reported on the fire on October thirtieth, nineteen eighty three.

Small planes were melted and a towering World War two hangar reduced to blackened rubble.

An hour before sunrise today, in a spectacular fire at the Santa Rosa Air Center.

Rosalind Fire District Chief Mike Vanatta said that at one time fled were soaring one hundred feet in the air.

Arson was suspected there.

Was a big controversy, and the people who owned the airfield believed that Michael and Judy together had done the bombing, because they later took up a campaign publicly to try to shut that airfield down too.

Now, Judy denied strenuously that she had anything to do with it.

She said she tried to get him to stop, but that he had done it anywhere.

Indeed, just months after the arson at the airport, Sweeney was in the newspaper complaining that so called touch and go landings by student pilots were ruining his and his neighbor's weekend barbecues, touched football games or Martiniz on the porch.

In April of nineteen eighty one, Sweeney called for the airport to be shut down at a public meeting.

Is this evidence that Mike Sweeney planted the bomb in his ex wife's car?

Of course not.

But it is the kind of thing that should have pricked up the ears of investigators, and the reality is that it didn't.

And there are even more troubling aspects of Sweeney's past, aspects that Judy disclosed privately but denied publicly.

After the break In twenty fifteen, Newsweek magazine ran an article titled the last, or at least luneiest newspaper in America.

It was about the Anderson Valley Advertiser from tiny Boonville, California.

The article focused on the eclectic newspaper, whose readers were split evenly between locals and people from around the country.

It is an unusual paper focusing on local news, but with a unique ability for getting notable writers such as Andrew Coburn and Christopher Hitchens to contribute the quality of writing in gen role as high.

It also has run into controversy, especially because Bruce Anderson can use the paper in ways that, to put it mildly, pushed the envelope of journalistic ethics.

Most notoriously, he published a made up interview with Doug Bosco, the local congressman.

Among other things, in the fake interview, he called his constituents clueless potheads.

Anderson initially denied it was fake and then conceded, saying it was satire.

Anderson became friends with Judy Barry and published her writing.

Bruce at first was not real big on Earth first, but then he got supportive of Judy and gave her a column, and she wrote a whole bunch of columns that she then collected into her book.

Judy's book timber Wars is a collection of her writings, mostly from the Advertiser.

After the bombing, Anderson saw Steve talbots dot com documentary and became convinced that Mike Sweeney was the bomber.

Began a decades long campaign of pushing Sweeney as the perpetrator in the pages of the Advertiser and being the Advertiser.

It also ran rebuttals echoing his fake interview with Doug Bosco.

Anderson wrote similar pieces claiming to be as told by Mike Sweeney.

They were also satire, but not all readers understood the joke.

Regardless, Anderson's paper was the primary source for the Sweeney theory of the crime.

They have a page on their website cataloging these pieces.

Steve Talbot I was up with my camera crew in Willets where she was living in this town in the hills, kind of isolated.

She was still worried about being attacked.

She's still being threatened.

And she took me aside and said I want to talk to you.

I said, okay, and we went for a walk on a little country road dirt road near the cabin where she was living, and she had this bad limp from the bombing.

She never fully recovered from that.

But she was walking along and she was very serious, and it was just the two of us, and she said, I need to tell you something.

I said, okay.

She said, I don't know for sure, but I am afraid that the person who put the bomb in my car, who tried to kill me, is my ex husband, Michael Sweeney.

And to me, that came out of nowhere.

That was like a gut punch.

I had not investigated him at all.

I had not thought about him at all.

All.

The focus of our investigation had been on the police, the FBI, the logging companies, the loggers themselves, some of these other strange characters around Earth.

First, I had not thought at all, I must say, about Mike Sweeney.

So when she told me that, I was shocked, and I said, why do you think that?

And she said, look, he's got a violent temper.

We've had a bad divorce.

He has threatened me many times.

He's abused me over the course of our marriage and after the marriage, and she said he had raped her.

And again I was horrified by that.

News, and I was blown away.

I just didn't see this coming at all.

David Halvard, she told us, she told Steve.

She told me she told some of her women friends and other people that he was very violent.

That you know, during their marriage, he had been her, he had threatened her, and that he had also set off a bomb at an airport when they first moved up there to Sonoma.

In my own research for this podcast, I've heard from a number of people that Judy confided about Sweeney's abuse to several close friends and associates.

Judy publicly denied the abuse.

So she told all this to me on that walk in this country road, and I was shocked.

I was stunned, and I realized, I've got to investigate this guy.

So I told David hell Art and we began to investigate Sweeney.

Steve Talbot found himself in a difficult situation after Judy disclosed this information.

Now what happened is Judy told me this in confidence, so she was a source, and I'm a journalist, and I played by journalistic rules and I protected my source.

So I never said in the documentary that Judy had told me any of this, but I laid out what I knew from others and what I had learned about him.

So until she died, he couldn't respond that the reason we had Mike Sweeney as a suspect is because of Judy.

Now, Judy then had a completely hostile reaction to my doing that.

She suddenly did a complete switch and said, you're not supposed to say that.

Now.

Why did she do that?

I think personally that it's because her big public persona was that she was an environmental hero and a victim of the logging industry, or of the police or the FBI.

And the last thing she wanted to be known as was a victim of domestic abuse whose ex husband had tried to kill her.

So I gave her a lot of room to say that.

And then when we actually put in the documentary, she insisted that we include, and Steve was the producer.

He included a short video that was placed in the documentary where she denied that her ex did it insisted that she was a victim of a conspiracy my industry.

When the documentary was aired, Judy wrote an article for the Anderson Valley Advertiser titled who Bought Stephen Talbot?

It was a full on attack on the film.

She wrote something like, well, I suppose I should thank them for exposing the fact that I wasn't guilty, But clearly he's been bought off by Big Timber because Big Timber or the FBI tried to kill me.

The article essentially goes after Talbot and Halvarg for not making the documentary that she wanted them to make.

That documentary would have been about a conspiracy between the timber industry and law enforcement.

She goes into detail about what she wanted in the documentary and also what she didn't want, particularly mentioned of Mike Sweeney.

She wrote, the.

Most outrageous of these charges is that my ex husband, Mike Sweeney may be the bomber.

She ends this paragraph by saying, and I know my ex husband didn't do it because he couldn't look at me in the eye if he did.

She goes on to assert that Talbot wouldn't have looked at the x spouse if the victim had been a man.

But Talbot wasn't looking at Sweeney until Judy told him about the abuse.

And even if you think that conversation didn't happen, and everyone I've talked to vouches for Talbot's rigorous ethics.

There are things in Sweeney's background, circumstantial or not, that indicate that he should have at least been looked at.

As I look back on what she wrote, you know, she never fully denied that he had done the airfield bombing, and she also still harbored this fear about him.

Then when I went around to talk to close friends and associates of her, they told me, oh, yeah, we all knew that.

We all know Judy is afraid of Michael.

We all steered clear of him.

He was a very difficult guy with a bad temper, and yeah, we are always worried about him.

There are other things that the people who suspect Mike Sweeney bring up, and I'll touch on them briefly.

A professor at Faster College named Don Foster had gained notoriety as a kind of textual detective by identifying the journalist Joe Klein as the anonymous author of the novel Primary Colors in nineteen ninety six, and it helped cement the case against Ted Kaczinski.

With his opinion that the Unibomber letters were consistent with Kazinski's writings.

He was given the Lord's Avenger letter and writing samples from several suspects.

His conclusion was that Sweeney was a strong candidate as the letter writer.

In another strange moment in this story, Sweeney almost unbelievably made a model of the bomb placed in Judy's car.

He made a re book of the bomb and left it on a Judy, Barry frand supporter's front porch to be used as a display.

The idea, apparently was to show how the bomb could have fit underneath the seat of Judy's car.

The replica was convincing enough that the police were called.

It's just an odd thing to do.

Regardless of whether he was the bomber or not, he had to have thought that he would be a suspect.

It's an act that is either naive or brazen, depending on what you think of him, or maybe just very strange.

Either way, it's not evidence, but it seems as though it would have raised eyebrows at the time.

Private investigator Josh Morcel, Judy.

And friends looked into a lot of different possible suspects in this case, and the theory that Sweeney did it is one of maybe a dozen minor theories of the case.

I think it as interesting as a case study in disinformation, it is not a compelling theory of the bombing.

In her article who Bought Stephen Talbot, Judy Barry wrote.

I think Steve Talbot actually convinced himself that, in the midst of this incredibly heated political situation in which Timber and police were cooperating to set me up like a bowling pin for assassination, my ex husband stepped in and did the job for personal reasons.

Set aside the heated prose and the point that if Sweeney did it, it was for reasons unrelated to her activism is correct, but does the bombing have to be related to her political activity?

Judy Darrell and others take it as an article of faith that the bombing was an attempted political assassination.

I can see where the atmosphere at the time made it seem that way, but is there actual evidence of this.

Judy also asserts that Sweeney did not have a motive for an attack.

He has no evidence that Mike is crazy enough to try and kill them other of his children.

My ex husband and I have a cooperative relationship in our divorce, and he has no motive at all to bomb me then, But men seem to have a hard time taking a woman seriously enough to consider her a political target instead of a personal sexual target.

But Judy had already disclosed to Steve Talbot and others that Sweeney was abusive.

Whatever the motive, violence had occurred in the past.

Judy doesn't deny that Sweeney could have made a bomb, but says that Talbot only has wildly circumstantial evidence to show that he could.

She's talking about the Santa Rosa Airfield bombing, which we looked at earlier.

I don't know if that seems wildly circumstantial, but reasonable people can disagree.

Now we come to the part where I think that suspicions about Sweeney run into their biggest roadblock.

So here's a question, right, if Mike Sweeney planned at the bomb, where did he plant it?

And we have to ask, well, when was the bomb planted?

Considering that there was a motion trigger and an eleven hour and fifty minute timer, the earliest the bomb was likely planted would be midday when Judy was parked in Yukaya.

The car was parked right in front of the Mendocino Environmental Center, right next to a busy street right in front of the courthouse, lots of people walking around.

Downtown Yukaya.

Mendesino Environmental Center is full of Judy's best friends.

They had a big glass storefront you could see out the window to Judy's car.

So had Mike Sweeney, in a town where he lived, where people knew him, come walking down the street put a bomb in her car right there?

What a crazy and risky place to put it.

He would likely have been seen, somebody would have remembered, and even if somehow by chance, he wasn't seen, why would he choose to plant it there?

To me, this is what needs to be explained.

If it was Sweeney, when and where did he place the bomb in Judy's car.

The timer sets the period in which you could have happened, and it doesn't seem as though Sweeney would have been able to do it during that period.

Since he lived next to Judy.

If he wanted to kill her, he would have his pick of times to do it.

Why would he pick such a risky opportunity to plant that bomb?

So if he didn't plant the bomb in downtown Yukaia in the middle of the day, well, then Judy in the early afternoon drove to the Bay Area.

So at that point and then the bomb was planted in the Bay Area.

Well, Sweeney had dinner at home with his girlfriend and daughters that evening, so he would have had to drive down without being noticed by them after dinner.

Now by the time he arrived in the Bay Area, So Judy in the Bay Area, she went to a meeting at Seeds of Peace in Berkeley and then made a last minute decision at the end of the meeting to go stay the night at dis man David Kennetzer's house.

So even if Sweeney had driven all the way down to Oakland and found the Seeds of Peace house, Judy's car wouldn't have been there, and there was no way to know that she'd left to go to Dave Kemnitzer's place where it was, and so on, he.

Wouldn't have known where to go to plant the bomb.

So it's like pretty logistically improbable that Mike Sweeney planted that bomb.

The theory that Sweeney planted the bomb has him doing it in Yukiyah when Judy was at the Mendocino Environmental Center.

Josh just mentioned the trouble with that theory plus, like some much else, in this case, there's just no evidence.

It doesn't keep Sweeney from being a suspect, but it needs to be addressed for him to have pausibly done it.

Bruce Anderson has suggested that no one would have thought anything about seeing Judy's ex husband, who lived on shared property, dropping something off in Judy's car.

That may be, but after the bomb wouldn't they have a new perspective?

Again, it's conjecture.

Mike Sweeney wrote a response to one of Bruce Anderson's pieces in the Anderson Valley Advertiser in nineteen ninety nine.

He concluded the letter this.

Way, Judy and Daryl went off to the Bay Area at least eighteen hours before the bomb exploded.

The least say the time around the bomb couldn't run more than twelve hours.

I wasn't in the Bay area.

It's well known that I was home in Redwood Valley the whole time, taking care of our two daughters in ages nine to four.

Mike Sweeney apparently lives in New Zealand now, but his possible involvement in the car bombing is still controversial in Ecotopia.

Mike Janella, so the whole thing of You can't bring Mike Sweeney up in the conversation because it's betraying something.

I've never understood that it's a disservice to them, because I think you, you and I are kind of in agreement.

A thorough investigation was needed, and Mike Sweeney, whatever he's about, and he's nowhere near as personable as his ex lifeless, I can tell you I know him.

That's the point.

It's just what we all need is in depth, hard look at what went on here, and we didn't have it.

We didn't have it with Mike Sweeney's potential background.

After making his documentary, which was the most comprehensive investigation of the bombing, Steve Talbot remained suspicious of Sweeney.

This is a guy who people should look at, who would have a possible motive, and who had a history of working with bombs and had, according to Judy, a violent temper and someone who had abused her.

So she did not know for sure.

She made that clear that he had done the bombing.

I never was able to prove that he was the person who had done it, but he certainly in my mind, remains a suspicious person.

Probably the most suspicious person.

And then you know, he tried to reinvent himself by running a recycling business in Mendocino for a while and completely dissociated himself from Earth first and from Judy, and then ultimately he left the country.

He went off to I Heard New Zealand never to be heard from again.

The one thing that everyone who looks at this case agrees on is that law enforcement, particularly the FBI, did not aggressively pursue the case once their initial theory that Judy and Daryl were knowingly transporting the explosives proved to be wrong.

But was the initial investigation just wrong or were Judy and Darrel's rights violated in the process?

Next Time Unripcurrent.

Rip Current was written and hosted by Toby Ball.

Our executive producers are Trevor Young and Matt Frederick, with supervising producer remat el Kyali and producers Noames Griffin and Jesse Funk.

Original music by Jeff Sanoff.

Our voice actor for Judy Barry is Gina mckikey.

Editing and sound design by Noames Griffin, Riema el Kylie and Jesse Funk.

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