And these people that claim or carry themselves without actually claiming to be an expert, a bigfoot expert.

I mean, come on, what the hell is a bigfoot expert?

There is no such thing as an expert when it comes to bigfoot.

They know in an instant that you were in the woods.

There is no hiding from them, There is no being quiet or sneaking.

Up on them.

As soon as you walk in the woods, you walk in their front door, thinking that you are going to surprise them when you're only kidding yourself.

We have got to get it out of our heads that anecdotal evidence is not evidence.

The best way, in my opinion, that we have to learn about these creatures right now is by listening to and talking to those that have experiperience them, those who have witnessed them and experienced them in their own environment.

We do what we do to try to bring a liar as to this topic, to be an open door for somebody to walk through, to be able to share their story, a listening ear, a support pold for those who have had their own encounters with that which is not.

Supposed to exist.

We've got to open our eyes people.

There is something out there.

All of these thousands of people that have seen something, they're not all aligned, they're not all crazy.

There are some very reputable, good people out there that have seen something.

We got mister Jake backstage and I am going to bring him out right now.

Jake, Goob's that buddy.

How's it going going?

Very very well?

Thank you so much for hanging out with this.

You are in the great state of Michigan, correct.

I am, yeah, very very cool.

You are also a filmmaker, you.

Can say that.

Yeah, that'll be fine.

I'm a novice, but yeah, filmmaker, filmmakers good.

I appreciate that.

Yeah, yeah, very cool.

Well again, buddy, I appreciate you taking the time to come out.

I know you wanted to talk about some of the projects that you're working on and all of that, and I mean, I'm I'm gonna hand you the floor, but before I do, I want you to start with what got you interested in this topic of Bigfoot, cryptid dog Man?

Just what got you interested in all of it?

What's your background and just tell us a little bit about yourself and what got you started.

Yeah.

Absolutely, thanks for having me on again.

I think this is my second time now coming on.

But yeah, Bigfoot's been something that's kind of been in and out of my life throughout my life.

You know, I'm thirty now, so it's been quite a long time that it has made an impression on me in a bunch of different ways.

You know, I grew up hearing the stories of the hairy man that runs the forest right and going up to northern Michigan a lot on family vacations, whether it's visiting Graham and Grandpa that lived up there, cousins that lived throughout the Lower Peninsula and the Upper portion.

You know, we spent a lot of time out there many counties up near the top of the Mitten, so to speak.

But what really kind of set it in stone for me was an encounter I've shared before I was fifteen years old.

Happened during the summertime, on summer break up in a county called Mount Moreenzi County, which is I always like to show people.

It's like this area up here, we have the luxury of using our hands, so it's pretty far north.

It was a very wooded area.

And to kind of make a long story, after hearing what sounded like something either paralleling me or walking towards me in the woodline.

I finally caught a glance of this figure that was down on all fours.

I assumed it was a bear.

It stands up as soon as you know, as soon as it stands up, I can notice the broadness of the shoulders, I can notice what looked like arms drooped down to its sides.

It did not look like a bear from from my vantage point at that point, still didn't know what it was, just kind of stood there in amazement for a few moments until it dropped back down to all fours.

And as soon as it did, you know, I left the area.

That kind of again set and stone of like there's something out in the woods.

From that at fifteen, I didn't really do much with it until I was about seventeen eighteen.

Then I started going on with some friends here and there.

Never really shared the story with them, but I had a buddy of mine approached me and he was like, Hey, have you ever seen this show?

And it was Finding Bigfoot on Animal Planet?

And it really kind of kickstarted of like I had this encounter, this memory in the back of my mind that I was nervous to share with people, but it was always there whenever we would go out in the woods, and it really just evolved into early adulthood of where I was like, well, you know, I can do what I want now.

There's no need to be afraid, there's no need to feel shame or anything like that.

So, you know, it really just extended from that.

But that was my encounter and the one thing I loved in life outside of the paranormal, the creepiness, cryptids, all that kind of stuff, the stories that I grew up hearing from grandfathers, friends, cousins, everybody.

The one other thing that I fell in love with was filmmaking and videography.

And what a better way to merge those two worlds, especially now I as an adult, than highlighting topics such as Bigfoot and the dog Man.

Yeah, now, are or my mate, Jake, are you former law enforcement or are you still law enforcement?

Uh?

Former?

So I'm no longer in that.

I do still work for the government, more on a local level, not with any like big three letter agencies or anything.

Definitely more municipal work with the municipal government.

But it is still one of those things of like you kind of keep this topic hushed and keep it to yourself, especially dealing with the public every day like I do in the in the setting and the importance that I'm in.

So okay, So while you were active, you know, law enforcement, can you recall a time where you took a call or do you know anyone that took a call that could have possibly been encrypted related?

There was never one when I was active.

There was, and I used it in the project that me and my friends made Woodline years ago.

It was kind of our mock documentary, so to speak, documentary documentary of the topic in Michigan, super small scale.

I'm not happy with it still today.

I mean, it's got a couple hundred and not one hundred.

I wish I hit one hundred, a couple hundred views.

It's got a couple thousand views on YouTube, which I guess is saying something.

It's just not what I wanted.

But regardless, the way that that film starts is with a nine to one one call.

The nine one one call was a legitimate call.

I got it through Foyer Freedom of Information Act after I heard about it from some friends who were dispatching up around the area.

They basically knew me in private life where we hang out outside of you know, work that we did, and they said, hey, I took a really weird call the other day and I was like, all right, what do you got And they told me about it went through chain of command to get to get the rights to it, and I still have a copy of that, which is cool.

But this elderly woman called in.

It was an area in Oakland County.

For those aren't who aren't super familiar with Michigan, it's the next county north from where like Detroit sits, so it's still super urban.

Highest population in the entire state resides within Oakland County, like they have our biggest cities outside of Detroit.

So it's not a place that has a ton of forest.

You've got your rivers, you get your streams, you got your little bit of farmland towards the north.

But where this nine one one call came from was one hundred percent like an urban senate.

And she placed a call it said, Hey, I don't know what I'm looking at, but I saw something on my ring doorbell.

I'm rewatching the footage now.

It kind of looks like a human, but if it is a human, it's huge, Like it's way out of the range of anybody I've ever seen, and I didn't see the video because there was no video.

She never submitted it as like evidence or anything.

It's just her nine one one call and then the CAD reports, which is what police officers will put in their run themselves, not even like a full narrative.

It's literally just like officer so and so, dispatch of this time, officer arrived this time, Like I have a copy of that, And even in their notes it said that she reported a strange figure was the only way that it was worded, which to me, thinking about this film, I'm like, that's interesting, like that's an odd way to put that.

But hearing her voice and then putting that film, it was kind of like you could tell like something was there.

She didn't know whether it was and I got this from a news article I found after the fact, but she went on record saying she didn't know if it was like a ghost, if it was an anomaly, if it was I think she used the word creature, like I don't ever remember seeing or hearing her use bigfoot or sasquatch, But within that call for her to say, if it's a human, it's a way bigger than I've ever seen, like.

Well, you know that's correct.

That's so that's so interesting.

I mean, why would she go to that right exactly?

And that's that's one of the things I wish, Like, I wish I had her name.

I wish I knew of her name.

Yeah, Freedom you know FOIA Freedom Information Act for people that don't know it is redacted, it is.

It's a you know, every state has their own guidelines, but federally it has to be redactive because you have to protect certain information.

So I never got her exact information, but I would love to talk to her if I could.

Yeah, I mean, you're a filmmaker, it would be awesome to have her testimony or what she saw included in one of your films.

That would be great.

Absolutely, And that was kind of the goal of when I got the nine one one call, I dug as deep as I could at that time to look into the news articles and stuff, and even the two articles that I found didn't specifically name her.

They did keep her anonymous, and they also kept the general location anonymous.

They gave crossroads and it was at a condominium complex.

So you know, realistically I could probably narrow it down, but to narrow it down to the exact unit.

Try to dig in that, like, that's a way way bigger project than I've got time for.

If I had the time to do it, absolutely I would love to.

But so you can't think of any way to get a hold of her, because that could be gold, dude, if you could get a hold of that footage.

Yeah, if you know.

Like I said, I'm sure I could narrow it down in my free time.

And I appreciate you bringing it up because if I got some slow time at work, I might be able to to pick into some databases and find out a little more if I can.

But that happened in gosh, was that twenty twenty two that that call came in?

I think if it wasn't, twenty two is twenty one, so you're talking three four years.

But yeah, so I'm interested to hear what you've been working on, because you know the title of the show to not big Foot dog Man Filmmaker.

You have something in the works, right, do you want to talk about that?

I do have something in the works.

I would love to talk talk as much as I comfortably can about it.

I don't have any NDAs or anything like that.

It's just kind of my peace of mind of nothing's on paper yet so to speak as far as being registered.

So you know, I love your audience.

I try to catch every show, as you know, because I try to throw a comment when I can catch them.

Everybody listening here is pretty die hard.

I can tell you have all your regulars that are in the chat.

Which how's everybody tonight?

Shout out to everybody that's here on behalf of Wayne and the rest of us, Thanks for showing up as you always do.

But I just don't want to throw my idea out to the zeitgeist and have somebody snatch it up and like, hey, this hasn't been done before.

But the reason that I thought of it is I've never seen one made before.

So the premise of my film, it's a creature feature mixed with a little bit of a thriller mixed with some mystery.

To dive a little bit into that, I went in one hundred percent of like, I'm making a big Foot film.

You can't talk me out of it.

Bigfoot's the star of my film.

Don't know how I'm gonna do it on a low budget.

I don't have great CGI, don't want to put it on the CGI.

Maybe I'll get a costume.

You know, these are all the things running through my head while I'm trying to create this.

To jump back a little bit, the reason that I kind of sat on this path was of how disappointed I am with the first project I did back in twenty one or twenty two with Woodline.

We released it straight to YouTube.

Like I said, I think the other day when I checked and sitting around fifteen thousand views for somebody that's never put out content like that was my first legit, like, hey, here you go.

I was happy with that, but I watched it back and I was just as me trying to learn more about film.

I'm like, my god, you did such a horrible job like that.

Imagery looks terrible, that camera could have been better, that audio is poor, you know, the whole nine.

Shooting myself down as always do creatively.

But from that, I knew I wanted to create something better, something like I put more time in head, a solid script, write it down, YadA YadA.

So reach out to my best friend Jesse, who works on pretty much all the projects that we do.

He's kind of like my go to right hand man, and that I give him stupid ideas almost every day, and I say, hey, what do you think of this?

When I did that, I threw this out and he goes, I love it.

We need to make it.

What is it about?

And I give him the story, like from start to end in like a three paragraph text.

I'm like, here's my idea.

He goes, you know, like reading this, I got chills.

Like the way that you're describing it sounds great.

Can we pull this off?

And when he said that, I don't know what it triggered in my head, but I was like, how many bigfoot films are in existence right now?

Like if you sit and you think about it, I'm talking like found footage, I'm talking bigfoots.

The antagonists He's.

Stay tuned for more.

But that they quit Reford, We'll be right back.

The protagonist Henry Harry and the Henderson's type vibe like there's so many bigfoot films and that's not a bad thing because I love watching them.

I probably have seen the large majority of them, and if I haven't, I'll find the next one on YouTube and watch it tonight.

Like that's just what I do.

With that being said, it put in my mind of like you want to stand out, you want to be like the next Like you would like this to be your full time career.

How are you going to stand out in the millions?

Why don't you create something that really nobody else has created, or at least not on a large scale.

And I started thinking, well, where can I pull inspiration from?

And I heard a song that highlights the legend of dog Man.

And when I heard that song, which I've heard before, but for whatever reason, on this day, it literally came across my Spotify shuffle because it's in there.

I heard the song and I was like, that's it, Like, I have to make this film around dog Man, not Bigfoot, and that's what we're planning on doing.

So for the last probably two months now, I have just been writing and reading and rewriting and rereading, and it's been a constant move.

But I'm finally at the point where I've gone through the first draft, i gone through the second draft.

I'm finally on my third final like putting finishing touches on the script so that we can set a timeline to begin shooting and hopefully get this thing out before the end of next year.

That's my goal.

So this is a fictional film.

You're writing it.

This is a fictional film.

It is scripted.

I will say that it's kind of fiction meets reality in a sense.

And what I mean by that is a lot of the stuff that I plan on touching on and having my actors portray and say anderience throughout the film is all based on supposed real events.

It's based on real encounters.

It's based on real legends that have been shared as far as stories have passed down.

I will say I am working with a notable songwriter.

I will just say I really wish I could give the name, but I do want to leave it at that.

I am working with a notable songwriter, pretty well known throughout Michigan, fairly well known throughout the Midwest.

He's helped inspire this project a lot, and I am picking pieces from his past work and kind of sprinkling them here, dabbling them there to really create this overall project.

Wow, so he is well on to the Michigan area.

He is, Yeah, he is.

And it's the one thing, like, if I said his name, it kind of gives away my entire plotline here.

So that's the one reason, you know, I don't I don't want to release it, but I will say that the uh, the whole legend of the dog Man is super well known throughout Michigan.

Obviously it's Wisconsin like and that's what I look to touch on.

I look to touch on heavily in my area.

The things that I inspired me growing up, those campfire stories.

Like I said, one of the songs that I listened to, the guy that I've been able to collaborate with, which you know, it's funny you bring up the trying to track down the woman that had the nine one one call.

I feel like I could probably do it because if you would have, if you would know, and I can tell you backstage the lengths that I had to go to get in contact with this guy just to like, hey, look, let me pitch you my idea, like I'm pitching a television series here to a Hollywood producer, Like can I do this?

Can I get your blessing and your allowance to take what you've done and go one step further with it?

And it's like I never met this individual, Like to me, he's a stranger.

He's if you want to say, has some low level fame.

He's pretty well known.

He's worked in radio, he's worked on different film projects throughout the state, throughout the Midwest.

So it was really like just that it's just that pressure inside of me to want to create a film of like I guess, going to whatever lengths I gotta do to get it done.

Yeah, I mean, I mean it's pretty well accepted that Michigan is the dog man capital of the US.

Do you have any idea as to why that is?

Why would why would there be more prevalent sidings of dog man in Michigan rus other states?

I really don't know, honestly.

I mean, you know, I'm pretty Michigan biased because I live here, I was born and raised here.

I mean, if I move right now, you can see two things.

Both had the state.

My shirt even has you know, it's one of the I'm my sixteen twenty one shirt has the state on it.

I mean, we're I'm very patriotic when it comes to my state.

But when you're talking about why for a cryptid it's a hot spot and maybe the hottest spot in all of the hot spots, like hotter than anywhere else, I don't know why, because our our ecology is not that unique, you know, it's really not.

We have the same thing every other state has.

Where a northern state you get snow like our temperatures get well below freezing it into the zub Zeros like.

I don't.

I don't know why.

I wish I knew or even had an idea, because I don't.

Yeah, I mean I wish, I wish I knew too.

I mean, I don't know.

But there are so many reports coming out of Michigan.

I mean, you're right next to Ohio.

I mean you hear some from Ohio, but not as many.

I just I don't know what it is man is there?

Because when I first got into this and I I'm killed, I'm still kind of in the belief that I don't know where I stand on dog man.

Maybe it's a misidentified bigfoot.

That's kind of where I stand.

But when you talk to people that have had these experiences, they say, no, this is not this was not a bigfoot.

This was a dog on human feet or human legs or whatever.

And I just don't know what to make of that, you know, and why Michigan has so many more than others.

I just I can't wrap my head around.

I don't know either.

Maybe it's I mean, we got a pretty high incarceration rate.

Maybe maybe people are nuts.

I don't know, you know, no, I you know, in all seriousness, I really don't know.

And I've sighed with you.

I mean, I'm making a film that the main I didn't want to say main character, but the main antagonist at the end is a dog man.

But I'm with you.

I don't really fully believe in the subject.

I mean, I'm using using it to uh to hopefully create something that people like here and can set me on a path to uh to maybe do something more permanent in my life one day.

But you know, I'm not willing to put all my eggs in the basket and say, hey, yeah, this thing exists.

Uh, there's there's far too many questions for me still if it does or not.

Yeah, So where are you on the whole Bigfoot thing?

Do you Are you confident that it's a real phenomenon.

I'm confident that it exists, yes, which is kind of a it's a double ed chores sword for me because even with my own encounter, I think it happens so fast and it's been so many years now that I do go back and I'm like, is that really what you experienced?

You know?

The characteristics that literally have burnt into my mind.

I don't know what else it would have been.

But I still hold that doubt of like, am I one of the lucky ones?

You know, if that makes sense to be in a lucky one?

But speaking on its existence overall, I'm one hundred percent of like, there's no doubt in my mind it does exist.

But which brings up another point.

You ask for the dog man of why Michigan soul heavily populated here.

I kind of thought the same thing about Bigfoot, even like I always grew up thinking and kind of being told like Washington, Oregon, northern California, that's it.

Getting get older, Yeah, yeah, just the Pacific Northwest.

And then you know, I grow up and you hear the stories and it's like, no, these things are They're everywhere, and it makes sense that they're everywhere, But it's like, what is it about Ohio that so many more people see them?

And they put that state so high up?

Just like with Washington, you can go back to the rainforests and the thick rain and everything, and it's easy to hide.

But like Ohio, like southern Ohio, you got some hills, but even a lot of the majority of Ohio's flat land, like it's just as flat as Michigan.

So yeah, just a question.

Yeah, that's a great, great point, Jake, because I spoke at a conference last year in Ohio and I'm doing the same one this year.

In Ohio.

My son went with me, my oldest boy, and we kept talking about how just how freaking flat it was, and how every every town we went through looked like it was haunted.

Every house down there looked like it was a haunted house.

That's neither here nor there.

But I mean, to your point, yet, why is Ohio ranked so high on the list?

Why isn't I mean, Kentucky is pretty high, but why isn't Michigan.

Why isn't Indiana the states that you know kind of border it almost, Why aren't they as high as Ohio?

I don't get it.

Yeah, it's it's even like and I've never been, so before you start killing me in the I've never been.

But Texas is like one of those high states too.

For is that not all just flat like land?

I mean, am I wrong on that?

Flat?

Hot as hell?

I've never been to Texas either, but I've heard stories, But I mean, it's flat, it's hot as you know what, And I mean, why why would it undiscovered ape or primate?

Why would it thrive in the area like Texas.

It's crazy.

Like to me, those are the things that don't make sense.

Like and I'm I'm firm it exists.

It's out there.

But six hundred pound, six seven foot tall ape running around the plains of Texas.

That doesn't make sense to me.

So like if you were to ask me, or you were to tell me, hey, it only exists in Texas, I'd say, yeah, you're full of shit, it's not real.

But the fact that it's everywhere, it's like, Okay, well maybe it can Adad, I don't know.

And then you get the whole the Bigfoot.

You can make arguments, yeah, this is an undiscovered primate.

The Gigantopithecus.

You know, I was just talking about this past weekend.

Gigantopithecus is believed to have existed.

I mean, it's pretty much proven to have existed, not that long ago as far as you know environmentally and ecology and all of that speaking, it wasn't really that long ago, but we have bones and stuff for Gigantipithecus.

But that was an ape that was like a ten foot tall ape that we believe walked upright due to the fossils that we have, so we can explain how possibly they're here.

With the land bridge, you know, before the continent separated and all that stuff, they were able to cross, and so we can understand that what the fuck is a dog man?

Where does that come from?

It's the golden question.

Yeah, and there so many people will talk about it being that government created or something like that.

I don't know.

I mean, where, where on where the hell did it good?

Did a dog make come from?

No, yeah, that's an excellent question, because I'll be honest, I sighed more on if it's a real thing, and my mind goes to misidentification as far as a bigfoot nine times out of ten.

Now again, I'm pretty heavily you know, in the camp of like big what's real?

So of course my mind's gonna go there.

But yeah, I don't know, because I've heard the same stories as you.

More so trying to read into more reports doing the whole project I'm working on.

But of like the ones that go, yeah, I had a snout like a German shepherd, and I had pointed ears it looked like, you know this dog.

It looked like that dog.

And I'm like, it doesn't make sense to me, Like none of this is making sense in my mind.

No, No, I want to take a second to say hello to Amber.

Amber is my new friend that I'm very fond of.

Thank you for joining us, Amber.

All right?

Uh, but yeah, man, I agree, I agree with you.

I just I don't understand why these people that believe in dog Man, I'm gonna, I'm gonna piss so many people off, so many people that I care about, And I hate that because I've already had this talk with a couple of people.

But I just don't understand why it's so hard for them to accept that this could be a misidentified big Foot.

I mean, why do you have to Why does it have to be something completely different?

Yeah, that's a good question, you know.

I I don't know.

It depends.

Everybody's different.

Everybody's got their their strong opinions on one thing or another.

I guess maybe it's just the older I'm I fall more into that gray area of like it if if I were to meet like the Almighty, so to speak, the one that knew everything, and they told me, hey, everything you've heard about Bigfoot.

It's made up, like it's been convoluted.

Their stories.

It's been passed down because of this encounter with this ape that lived a long time ago.

The people that came here used it as a fear story to keep their kids and relatives out of the woods.

YadA, YadA, YadA.

If that was like the ultimate truth, I'm okay with it.

Like I'd be like, okay, well, you know, it was fun while lasted kind of you know, it changes, it would change a lot of my perspective on some things.

But to that, I don't like you.

I just don't get why so many people are like dead set.

I'm like, this is what it is.

You can't tell me any differently.

Blah blah blah.

Very like closed minded.

I don't know.

I think open minded this, especially when you're talking about what we're talking about now, is like a requisite to even speak of it.

In my opinion, you got to keep it.

Open night, stay tuned for more.

But the big flipper for it.

We'll be right back.

Yeah, yeah, I agree with that.

You you absolutely have to.

I mean, I just I don't know.

I don't know what to make of this whole this whole dog Man phenomena.

And I don't want to make people mad.

I don't.

But at the same time, I got to be true to myself and I have to be honest, and I just I don't know.

I don't know what to make of it.

You know, we're doing the Squatch out coming out coming up here at the end of the month, and it's at the Lbo the land between the lakes, and there is a very very famous story of a family being massacred there.

I don't know where to go with that.

Are you familiar with that story?

I'm not.

I love to hear if you want share, because I'm not familiar.

It was in the late seventies, early eighties or something like that.

There was a family that was camping there and they were in a camper.

It was a mom and dad, a boy and a girl, if I remember correctly, a son and a daughter.

The son was the older one.

This family was completely torn apart by something.

I mean, it was terrible.

Supposedly someone came out a few years back and claim to have been there.

There were a friend of the family, and they were there.

They hid while the whole thing happened.

I don't know, but it came out and it was a huge story.

People kept talking about it.

But this whole entire family was massacred and you cannot find any information on it.

Okay, So can you not find any information on it because it didn't happen, or can you not find any information on it because they covered it up.

That's always the thing that conspiracy people will go to.

Well, you know, they don't want you to know, so they covered it up.

I mean, really, who are you supposed to believe?

Yeah, that gets hard.

That's you know, I can relate to that.

It's funny.

One of the things I do.

I won't go too much into my job, but part of my full time job is I do handle foil requests that come into to the municipality I work for.

And I've heard and it makes me relate as somebody that actually does it every single day of like reading what this person wants, I got to go try to find it, and if I can't find it, even on a regular like body camp footage, like theyn't want body camp footage, and I got to tell them, hey, the officer didn't record it that day, and they'll be like, oh, that's a lie.

I know he recorded it.

He has to record it, and I'm like, well, he I don't know what to tell you.

It doesn't exist.

So it's kind of that fine line every time I hear those kind of stories of like is it a cover up or did it really just not happen?

My mind, as bad as it probably sounds, is it goes to more so towards it just didn't happen, rather than it's a cover up.

Now, of course, something like that story, I could live in the gray area of like if it's a big enough incident to where it could cause either public panic, it could divide some lines, it has some sort of actual legit controversy, I could see a cover up.

But your typical roadside crossing of a bigfoot and like, yeah, the police came out and I've put a report out, Like they're not gonna put in their report, you know, man reported seeing bigfoot.

They're gonna put man reported seeing unknown suspect, unknown creature.

Like they're most of the time not putting specific words because they don't want it to head back lashing in there own like you know, within their own departments.

They don't want to look weird to their co workers.

They don't want things to get denied, have to do extra light work all because of this.

Like, and I'm not saying that I'm speaking for everybody.

I'm just speaking from my own personal experience of what I've experienced and those that I've talked to.

But again, it's kind of that gray area.

And like you said, is it a cover up or it it just not exists?

You know, so many damn questions, so many damn questions that we would never know the answer to.

That's a pretty wild story though, from that will be all.

I've never heard.

That it is.

Look it up, man, I mean, it's been out there.

It's like folklore.

People talk about it, you know, quite a bit.

But again, you can't find anything on it as far as official documents.

Yeah, isn't that similar?

Like and if anybody out there, even you know, Wayne, it's somebody doesn't know.

All apologies ahead of time.

But I've never looked too much into the Uh.

I don't even know how to pronounce it.

De vaulty pass?

Is that what it is over in Russia?

Uh?

Diet love pass?

Is that how you pronounce it?

Okay, where they supposedly saw some sort of creature that ended up attacking everybody and killing everybody.

But there was a show.

I've done a show on that, maybe even a couple shows on the d aut Law Pass is what it is, and that happened over in Russia.

That was crazy, man, it it absolutely one happened.

What happened to these kids that were on that and they were experienced hikers.

This wasn't just let's go for a hike.

These people were They've been doing it their whole lives.

They were like taking a class on it or something.

They knew what the hell they were doing, okay, and they were going up this pass and just when they found their bodies, I mean the stuff that happened to them, Like there were a couple of them.

Their their chests were crushed and the coroners reported it being similar to a high speed car accident.

They were hiking.

What the hell you know this?

One lady had her tongue cut out or torn out.

Others were missing their eyes.

And when they found the tent that they were sleeping in when all this occurred, they cut their way out from the inside of the tent.

That's proven.

Their shoes, their boots, their clothes were left behind because they left in such a hurry because something was fucking with them, so I mean, and then they had that one famous shot of some that that looks like lot like a bigfoot.

I know you've seen it.

It looks a lot like a bigfoot type creature that was staring at them, But they've just played that off.

I don't know.

And what's interesting, Brian and I talked about this on an episode of that Bigfoot podcast.

After that, there was another incident like ad at Law Passed Part two in the same area I believe, where someone actually survived and they got away, and this lady talked about witnessing these people go just fucking crazy.

They were like bashing their heads into rocks, they were just doing all kinds of weird stuff.

So I don't know if that was like the Russians experimenting with like gases and stuff like that and made them go crazy.

I don't know.

But the whole dat Law Pass thing really happened.

Okay, Yeah, that's you know, is as bad as it is.

I get my information on that from TikTok videos, So I can't trust what I see.

TikTok.

Dude, you can, but you can also experience a lot of brain rot and just waste hours at a time, you know, but I have seen the picture that that picture is, like I can imagine it now.

Yeah, I don't know, that's pretty crazy.

You know, there's a lot of that's a whole different tangent you can get on.

But there's been a lot of government, you know, cover ups that have come out, especially around that time frame that I could see either or you know, I could I could understand it being a big Foot type creature, or I could see the government just fucking with people and experimenting.

Yeah, and there's so many videos, like one of the most compelling videos I've seen a big that happened in Russia.

I mean, there's a lot that comes out of there.

I'm talking about the one with the little boys are out looking and there, following this trackway and then all of a sudden they see this big black thing stand up and look at it, and they all break the hell out and run away.

Yeah that's something, man, Those kids were not faking.

Yeah.

I like the long version of that video too, because like you can catch the snippet of where it stands up and it takes off, and that's what you see, Like the most.

You know, don't you.

Yeah, yeah, but if you watch like the original, I think you can still find on YouTube.

It's been years.

I've tried, but I don't.

I can't imagine.

I got taken down where they're just walking like along the woods, like having a friendly I don't know what they're saying, obviously, but like they're just bantering as kids do, and this goes on for several minutes before they finally come across this thing.

So like even yeah, and.

The whole I watched a couple of videos with you know, you all saw me bring up Amber earlier.

That's that's my girlfriend, Hello Amber.

I watched a couple of videos with her this week, and one of them was the There are a couple of my favorites.

The ATV writer that's going through the creek through the water and he's never placed a Bigfoot video before in his life.

He's just not into that.

He always does like ATV videos.

He's on his four wheeler in the creek and he's going along in something big and black or brown walks in front of him in the creek.

Have you seen that one?

Yeah, I'm familiar.

Yeah, I mean that's a great one, in my opinion, that's one of the best.

So we watched that one this weekend.

And another one was the kids in Canada that were the high school students that were making a video for school for like a project or something like that, and it showed they had no idea anything was going to happen.

They showed this kid running and that was all film.

That was all stage.

This kid running toward him.

And as this kid runs out this open field, you see this giant ape thing come like on all fours, come tramping, look like a gorilla.

Have you seen it?

I don't think I've seen that.

I've seen like something similar.

Okay, I'll send it to you that.

That's so compelling because there's not gorillas in the wild in Canada as far as I.

Know, not that I know, not unless they had some zooistap.

But yeah, that I mean, that would be it.

But I mean, it's amazing.

This kid is filming this other kid.

He says action.

This kid runs out of the woods toward him and then as he's running, you see this huge thing come loping out from right to left and the kid says, what was that or something like that.

I mean, it was it's such good film.

Wow, Yeah, I'd love to see that.

If you remember to send it to me, I'll check that off.

I will.

If I can find it, I'll send it to you.

Okay, I do have a question for you, and I'm going to try to word this appropriately and if it's something you don't want to speak on, totally get it and I respect it.

With your squatch out coming up, I know you've been doing it for a couple of years and I don't know.

I think she was a former speaker, but you talked to somebody one time years ago, very controversial, and I know Brian has shared the episode.

I know you guys have talked about her since then.

I don't want to do you know what I'm talking about.

Yeah, have you have you in your your time going out in the woods, have you ever tried some of the words that she claimed were communication words?

Have you ever tried to announce those.

I've been in the woods with her, okay, and I have watched her do it firsthand.

Okay, and I have I've witnessed her claim to get a response.

I did not get the response.

I didn't hear anything, I didn't feel anything.

And it's because I guess I'm not enlightened enough.

I don't know, but I mean to answer your question, no, I mean, huh huh.

Okay, It's one of those things I'm tell you.

I'm drawing inspiration from everywhere.

I'm picking little pieces from Bigfoot stuff because Bigfoot, you know, for those that are interested in it, and I hope I don't.

I'll be honest with you, I don't know where I plan to release it.

This kind of to jump back to the film, this in mind is really something that I thought the initial presentation of it, I am and plan on pitching to local film festivals.

So when it is complete, I don't plan on putting it directly onto YouTube.

I'm not trying with a goal of mine to get on any streaming service.

I am trying to get it shown locally.

First.

One, I want to see if it's good enough to be accepted.

Two, if it is accepted, I want to get a reaction from the audience that is actually willing to view it.

And I want to know firsthand how they feel.

And if all of those go well, then yeah, I'll try to get it on possibly to Be or something like that, just to do it.

And if it all goes south, then it's gonna go up free for YouTube and everybody can do it.

But you know, to speak on more of that, I'm pulling inspiration from everywhere.

And I just recently went back and I listened to that video, that two part interview you did with her, and there was a lot in there that I still today am like, I still question.

I'm like, I wonder the validity of it, the truth behind it, and if it's possible.

And that was one of the things, is that, like the chatter that she claims of them having a language, so to speak, is just I wanted to know if I go out and the woods and use it, I wonder if it would work or if it's all just hogwash.

I don't know, you know, I mean, that's a great question.

It makes me think, stay tuned for more.

But the big floper for it, We'll be right back.

All the times that I've been in the woods on expedition and I brought my blowtooth speaker, It's happened more than a couple of times.

Brought my bluetooth speaker and I played the fucking Sierra sounds, you know call blasts the Sierra sounds.

I don't know what the hell they're saying, Yeah, I could be inviting them in for dinner.

I mean, I don't.

I don't know what the fuck they're talking about, you know, but I don't know.

But my whole thing with and I just Janis Carter is who you're talking about.

We all know that.

I will tell you that.

As far as Janie is concerned, I do think there's a snippet of truth to her story.

Like everyone else, I think you don't just you don't just crap this stuff out at Something led to it, something made you experience something, You experienced something, and then maybe you just started embellishing.

I think that's what happened with Janis.

And I've been on the record saying that I think there's a snippet of truth of what's happened to her.

But I think that she has taken that and ran with it.

I think her grandfather did have some experiences with the Bigfoot.

Maybe she even saw the Bigfoot.

Was it named Fox?

I don't know.

Did it do all of the things that I have a wife named Sheba, I don't know.

Did I have a kid named Blackie?

I don't know.

Did Blackie rape this thirteen year old girl that was put into an insane asylum here in Chattanooga where I live.

I don't know, because you can't find record of it anywhere.

But if you can't find record of it, is it because it didn't happen or was it covered up?

That's what they can always say.

But I will tell you, Janice Carter, I believe there's a snippet of truth.

And I will tell you that the one time that I hung out with her in person, she came camping with me and my buddy Walls and a few other people, and I got her off to the side we were alone, and I told her, you know how much I enjoyed her book and everything like that.

And I asked her, I said, now, what do you say to the people that question you?

And she stopped me, Jake, She stopped me mid sentenced and said, you have a problem with this, right, And she told me an element that I was having at the time.

It wasn't a knee, it wasn't a shoulder, a lamp or anything like that that you could visually see.

It was something internally that was going on with me at the time.

And she was right, Yeah, how do you explain that?

Yeah, that's crazy?

I've always felt similar to you, that there's something there.

You know, I've listened to it several times.

I just listened to it not that long ago.

Again, that's probably my fourth or fifth time listening to part one and then two.

There's something there, like, she definitely experienced something.

But like you said, did the thing wear overalls and an ex wrestler's T shirt?

I don't know, maybe, but I doubt it.

However, she experienced something, you know, one hundred per century.

Yeah, she said, he wore that six x L T shirt.

Couldn't get him to put the pants or the overalls on because he wouldn't cover as junk.

I don't know.

I don't know why.

But he wore that shirt till it was just a rag hanging around his collar, you know.

Yeah, And how cool would that be?

How amazing would that be for that to have been your life growing up?

It's crazy, it's and I don't mean to laugh, but it's even the yeah, all right, but it's it's the photos, right, those photos from the blond haired one standing by the car.

I don't know what it is.

That's not what I picture.

The one that drives the truck.

Yeah, the one that that that dreads the tear and bloom it.

That's it.

That's the ship that ruins everything that she has said.

You know, hey, I see what's funny is I saw her speak.

She was at a conference here, I think that was twenty nineteen, and uh we cut we were like in and out, me and my friends, and I remember catching like just snippets of it, you know, bouncing back between that and a vendors table.

So I never heard her entire story, Yeah, until you did your interview, and then it kind of brought me all back.

But uh, but you're right.

When I saw those photos, I kind of I'm like, I don't know about this one.

You know.

That was doctor Igor Burt.

Yeah, that that claimed all of that, and and Janice is a good friend of his.

She stood beside him, and she like, I guess verified it and all that stuff, which did nothing for her reputation, you know, let's be honest.

Yeah, but he also claimed to have all the bigfoot, that same bigfoot and put him on the phone during a conference.

I am a I'm gonna be one hundred percent honest.

I would legit.

I was about to say, if they do exist, I would love to take a call from one one day.

Oh my god, well he did.

That's too funny, that's too much.

Wow, man, that's good stuff.

That would be your best interview you've ever did.

I think so too, man.

It definitely has the most views of any Anyway, we got some questions we need to get to.

Are.

First off, Troy two fingered.

Troy has been a member for twenty months.

Thank you so much, buddy, My good buddy, Allen.

I was talking to you about Alan from Cadillite, Michigan earlier before we came on.

Because you're from Michigan.

What part of Michigan are you in.

I'm near Detroit.

I'm in Wayne County, so there's no woods really around me.

Okay.

Also from Allen, do you feel your movie will help mine move the ball, move the ball down the court?

Or is it more entertainment?

Got here last covered already?

I apologized.

Yeah, no, absolutely, it's definitely entertainment.

It is a like I said, it's it's a written out script.

It's a fictional story.

There are gonna be snippets that I take from different encounters, things that I've read, but I'm not looking to prove anything with this, and it is not in any way one of those type of documentaries.

This is a legit film, so.

Okay, and Troy, this is more of a comment.

I hope you see a dog man into the month in the LBO, Wayne, because we will be there at the end of the month at the LBL.

LBL is known for a dog man siding, So maybe just shut me the hell up and I'll see a dog man.

That'd be sick.

That'd be great.

Also from Allen from Michigan, there's no history or evolution for a dog man.

I think that is why it's hard to get on board with as a flesh and blood creature.

I would agree with that.

Yeah, it's not really a question, but thank you buddy.

All Right, Troy, if big but if Bigfoot is a primate, couldn't dog man be misidentified bad boon, which is a prime Absolutely.

I think you and I both agreed on that earlier.

It's it's much more likely for me to believe misidentification on a whether it's Bigfoot or if it's another animal that actually exists.

You know, I think you and Brian and Brian's done it the most.

But you guys have thrown off the idea of like kangaroos.

I love that idea.

I don't think I don't think there's millions of kangaroos romping around the forest, but I do love that idea.

Like, as soon as he said that on one of the episodes, I envisioned that like fitting one hundred percent to the teeth.

Yeah, yeah, I agree with you, and that the whole kangaroo thing is very, very fun and interesting to think about, t Roy.

There are stories about the two first responding officers stopping at the local store after they left the scene.

The lady in the store had waited on them for years.

She said they were shaky.

And I think he's talking about the whole dog Man massacre thing.

Okay, yeah there.

I mean there's there's all kinds of people that will swear that this thing happened there again there, Yeah, yeah, dude, there's no official I'll put you in touch with one of our speakers at the lbl IS, Elijah Henderson.

He and his late father, they used to do this cryptid thing on YouTube and he still does Crypto Studies Institute.

That's what it is.

But they the person that was supposedly there reached out to them and they had him on for an interview, and he gave his whole story.

I'll put you in touch with Elijah and see if maybe he can get you the whole story.

Yeah, I'll do that, and you.

Being a filmmaker, that that would be useful for you, I think.

All right, Ristol, Jake, are you familiar with Joe Barger's Michigan dog Man account?

Not specifically, not by the name anyway, So I may have heard it, I throw one out.

If he's a truck driver that supposedly had a run in with one of these things, then yes I have.

And if Joe is not a truck driver, then no, I don't think I have, but I may have.

That name doesn't sound familiar m.

Not to me either.

No, So nothing that I can confidently say yes on, but I could have.

Okay, all right, And lastly, I want to say hey to the very beautiful and lovely miss Amber Taylor.

Thank you for tuning in them.

Ah right, that is all of the questions.

Not Jake, tell everybody where they can find you, what you're working on, anything that you want to promote.

Yeah, absolutely appreciate it.

We are, I should say I am not we Jesse's kind of against it, but I have taken a bit of a hiatus from anything new as far as sixteen twenty one Studios is concerned.

I got a lot of stuff in the pipeline that I've been waiting to release.

We do have a couple paranormal esque videos that'll be dropped by the end of the year, so watch for those if if you'd like, that'd be great.

Anybody that's listening to this right now that has had a dog Man encounter, even a bigfootencounter, if you want to share it with me, but I'm specifically looking for dog Man just within mind of my project I'm working on, please email me.

I take all emails.

I understand Wayne and I have joked a couple times about a certain somebody.

However, I do take all accounts seriously.

If you say you have had something experienced some sort of experience, I am not the person to look at you and say, hey, that's not true.

So if you would like to share your experience with me, please do.

You can email one six two to one Productions at gmail dot com sixteen twenty one Productions at gmail dot com.

So Bristol, I see that was him the truck driver, So yes, I have read that story.

It's a pretty wild one.

Uh Wayne, If you haven't, you know, I don't go.

I won't go into full details.

But it was a truck driver that claimed to have run in with a dog man.

I don't remember exactly if he struck it with his semi while he was driving in northern Michigan.

He may have, and I if that is true, then I think he stopped and kind of backed up and the thing attacked like his his window, either broke his window out or like attacked him of like trying to get retribution for hitting him or almost hitting him.

But uh but regardless, Wristol, you may know more than I do, so you can fill man.

But that's all I got.

Sixteen twenty one productions at gmail dot com.

If you've had a dog Man account or please share it with me.

And that's it.

Thank you all right, awesome, awesome, Thank you so much, buddy for coming on.

And I'll let you know personally that I have not given up on the project that you and I and Brian have talked about.

It's it's gonna happen.

It's just a matter of lining everything up and I look forward to working with you in the future buddy.

Absolutely, thank you all right, man, thank you so much for taking the time to come and hang out with us tonight.

It was awesome.

You are welcome back anytime and we will stay in touch.

All right.

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Through the woods.

The pine trees sway, shadows long at end of day.

Bigfoots call on the whispering breathe Secrets kept by ancient trees.

Dog man house bring echoes in the silent too.

Tracks we five, but answers none.

A hunt for truth that's just begun.

We're searching past the fire light, Creatures hidden out of sight in the forest heart, where shadows lay seeking seecrets in the twilight.

Through the fall, a shaped did gly skin walker eyes wide, legends of Oh, we chase to night in the dark, our lanterns bright by the creek, Queer water spill whispers wry, the windsow chill, forest deep man tails.

On toe in this land.

The myths of O.

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