[SPEAKER_09]: Hello, and welcome to lots of familiar.

[SPEAKER_09]: The show that remembers the two thousand and seven's Halum Fow opened with blue-by-viour introduced, which may have come as suddenly a surprise to all those people who went to see after the back of Jamie Bell rife to defame through Billy Elliot.

[SPEAKER_09]: I'm Tim Wertherton, and you're going to meet a date of about some of the things that he remembers that nobody else ever seems to seem as writer, Paul Whitelaw.

[SPEAKER_09]: Paul, what you're up to work, we find it.

[SPEAKER_10]: You can find my work at pollbwhitelaw.logspot.com.

[SPEAKER_10]: That's just what you find all my reviews and features and things.

[SPEAKER_10]: I'm also on Blue Sky, not the bad old place.

[SPEAKER_10]: At pollwhitelaw.beesky.com, that's me.

[SPEAKER_10]: That's where you can find me.

[SPEAKER_09]: Okay, well, let's move straight onto your first choice, which is a record that, although it's been curious to forgotten, I think you've got quite an association with.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Okay, that's a record I bought on the day of release, and which I don't think have heard on the radio for that day to this, so Paul, why is that in forgotten legal man by Bellen Sebastian?

[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, and I brought it on the day of release too, so we were both buying it different parts of the country.

[SPEAKER_10]: Legal man was a standalone single from Bellen Sebastian.

[SPEAKER_10]: It came out just [SPEAKER_10]: You know, not long after the release of the album, the full-your-hands child, they look like a peasant.

[SPEAKER_10]: And obviously, a balance of how they had formed for this, because of course, they're steeped in kind of sixties lore.

[SPEAKER_10]: So they were very keen on releasing standalone singles and EPs between albums.

[SPEAKER_10]: This was an interesting time for the band.

[SPEAKER_10]: I should say, yeah, I've brought a boot about them, called Just the Modern Rock story.

[SPEAKER_10]: So it tells our story up until at two thousand and five.

[SPEAKER_10]: It's no longer in print, but you can probably find copies in a debate.

[SPEAKER_10]: But yeah, this was an interesting time for the band because we're making a concerted effort to be more visible because of course famously in the late nineties.

[SPEAKER_10]: One of their defining features was their lack of visibility, you know, they did use with the music press and the interviews they did were always very strange, quite difficult and also, of course, the famous really appear in publicity photos.

[SPEAKER_10]: You know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, it absolutely was, and I'll come back to why I think they maybe dropped the ball very slightly when they actually became a hit, and it possibly weren't quite expecting it to go as big as it did.

[SPEAKER_09]: But you were right, they did half that kind of mysterious air before that, because I remember.

[SPEAKER_09]: When I first heard them, it was obviously, it was Mark Radcliffe playing a think traction, a dog on wheels, EP, and what really excited me, what's that lack of visibility?

[SPEAKER_09]: The fact they had this previous album, Tiger Milk, that nobody knew how to get hold of because it was like, and now it's later giving a full reevalence, but at that point it had been on a very small, wasn't even actually the local label, it was just private pressings, but there was that aspect [SPEAKER_10]: It was part of a university project, so it was like a sort of music production management project for students, so it was basically make a record, release a record.

[SPEAKER_10]: So yeah, as you said, there were very few copies of the raw vinyl copies released at the time, and there were precious cargo, because as you say, when Radcliffe and also the even sessions started playing tracks from the dog and wheels he'd be and also their second album.

[SPEAKER_10]: if you're feeling sinister, which was released on jeepster, small-ish indie label.

[SPEAKER_10]: People were getting into that, find out, there was another record before that, that was came out last year.

[SPEAKER_10]: And I think a lot of us who were fans of the band, sort of first-haired tag amount on tapes, you know, people were on cassettes and then the hand it round.

[SPEAKER_10]: And famously, quite a lot of the vinyl copies of tag amount on the second side was warped.

[SPEAKER_10]: So on your tape, you dance to the last three, four songs are all kind of warped, which added to the kind of strange blur of the whole thing.

[SPEAKER_10]: So here they are and they are, I don't think, you think you're correct.

[SPEAKER_10]: I don't think this is going to be as big as it was, but then we should bear in mind.

[SPEAKER_10]: They were really popular.

[SPEAKER_10]: Obviously the mainstream audiences didn't know who they were.

[SPEAKER_10]: They were indie kids and the music press.

[SPEAKER_10]: But they're also one notoriously sort of the best newcomer at the United States.

[SPEAKER_10]: You'll remember that, of course.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, I do.

[SPEAKER_09]: I was actually going to bring that up because there was such petulant response from, I think, the steps and five themselves and the people involved with them were like, how dare we've not sanctioned or not winning?

[SPEAKER_09]: And it was around the same time, Jim, it's that fiasco about Dr.

Who won the poll for the best BBC drama.

[SPEAKER_09]: And the table over basically saying, the fans cheated by liking it.

[SPEAKER_09]: I was this idea that you weren't allowed to unseat the to quote the East Enders' habits and the time everyone's talking about it.

[SPEAKER_09]: There was very little tolerance of anything coming from the outside which is why it's amazing that a band like Bella Sebastian got as big as they did with so little visible publicity.

[SPEAKER_09]: I was going to say about, as you mentioned, whilst I found that exciting was the whole story that it was essentially just a college project.

[SPEAKER_09]: I know there's little more to it than that.

[SPEAKER_09]: in this sort of instance the myth is harmless and if it gives people excitement and aspiration and something you know they think they can do it themselves let them have that that's my people up and nobody really knew what they looked like and very early on we I say we somebody else arranged it but we booked them to play and anything nice I was involved with [SPEAKER_09]: and they're being really surprised to meet them.

[SPEAKER_09]: And it was quite surprised by what they looked like as well because you just couldn't tell from the record, I remember getting on really well with Stuart David.

[SPEAKER_09]: I remember, should we say trying to strike up conversation with Isabelle who wasn't having any of it?

[SPEAKER_09]: the best way of putting it.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I found them really, really likable, really fun, really enjoyable.

[SPEAKER_09]: But you can't even expect from such, you know, introspective.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, it's introspective records.

[SPEAKER_09]: They, of course, they have moments like this and La Pastida, the Bourgeoisie, which are much more sort of extrovert and then your face.

[SPEAKER_09]: But yes, they really did coast by, just on the reputation of their music.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I'm not sure.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's so much easier to do that now.

[SPEAKER_10]: It wasn't that common then.

[SPEAKER_10]: No, I let that point you're making you quite right about people like people who are in being a ghast that a bunch of astins fans had used this newfangled internet thing but completely you know legitimately because you know the fans were internet savvy you know so of course they all got together to vote and Dr who fans are internet savvy so of course they all go so it seems laughable now and we're expecting [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, you're absolutely right as well.

[SPEAKER_10]: Although they have had this reputation, understandably these sort of introspective sort of shy indica.

[SPEAKER_10]: They always have their pop moments.

[SPEAKER_10]: You're Murdoch is a, you know, pop songwriter.

[SPEAKER_10]: I just think of Judy in the dream of horses and things and the other songs you mentioned there.

[SPEAKER_10]: So legal man is obviously a deliberate attempt to write a sort of [SPEAKER_10]: Ruby late sixties, electric, sit-iron, bongo, rave up.

[SPEAKER_10]: And it's a little bit ramshackled as it was the style at the time.

[SPEAKER_10]: But it is really, really fun.

[SPEAKER_10]: It's a fun, fun record.

[SPEAKER_10]: And watching them on top of the pots, it's sort of second to June, two thousand.

[SPEAKER_10]: But they're having a whale of a time, aren't they?

[SPEAKER_09]: They are, but I don't think if anyone's got the fun's only DVD, which has got some of their LED performances on.

[SPEAKER_09]: There's some reason, there's more impact and mystique to those sort of local TV appearances on French TV and so on, than top of the pops where they look like they're really excited, but they also look a bit like they've turned up to the wrong show.

[SPEAKER_09]: They don't seem as fully balanced a bastion as they normally are.

[SPEAKER_09]: Maybe they're just overall by the occasion, but there's something about that being a big moment that didn't quite land.

[SPEAKER_09]: I remember feeling that when the first watch date, that isn't just a retrospective opinion.

[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_10]: I agree.

[SPEAKER_10]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, that's not quite landing, it's symbolized by the fact that they, you know, they staged a stage invasion there, produced their Tony Dugan dressed up as a gorilla and ran on to the stage halfway through.

[SPEAKER_10]: But they've obviously not told the director what they're going to do.

[SPEAKER_10]: So the camera hardly catches the guy in the gorilla suit, it's all.

[SPEAKER_10]: So it's all a bit underwhelming.

[SPEAKER_10]: This is a wacky stunt that they're trying to pull off.

[SPEAKER_10]: But I think it's kind of funny.

[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, Stevie Jackson and Stuart Murdoch are deliberately mining badly.

[SPEAKER_10]: I think they're deliberately mining badly.

[SPEAKER_10]: not pretending that they're playing live.

[SPEAKER_10]: You know, bands have been doing that on top of the pop since punk and although it's a bit of an up-year as top of the pop statement, it's, I don't think there's any malice in it.

[SPEAKER_10]: I think they really are enjoying being on top of the pop.

[SPEAKER_10]: Isabelle and the backing singers are doing the best to look studiously cool.

[SPEAKER_10]: And the kids are kind of going for it, although at top of the pop's audience are prying to go for anything.

[SPEAKER_10]: But I'd think they probably think they're probably enjoying this.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, I just don't think it compares very well to, I think the video is absolutely fantastic.

[SPEAKER_09]: And the thing I love the most about that is poor old Sarah doesn't often get very much to do in the performance pieces, but she sat on the huge cushion playing the sit-off front and center.

[SPEAKER_09]: And that really sort of, that has a nice feeling of we're all in this together trying to score this hit.

[SPEAKER_09]: And somehow, there's just, there's a discrepancy between that and the top of the pops of paper.

[SPEAKER_09]: So it's a sound like it'd be really negative about, don't get me wrong, it's really exciting to see the Bonder.

[SPEAKER_09]: But yeah, it just felt a little bit after they done so much to break through.

[SPEAKER_09]: Maybe they just exhausted it with it all.

[SPEAKER_10]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_10]: What I think they've been exhausted because you probably know this story.

[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, that day when they went to film top of the pot, they afternoon after the rehearsal.

[SPEAKER_10]: They somehow, the whole band somehow found themselves wandering on to the East Ender set.

[SPEAKER_10]: And they were just wandering about.

[SPEAKER_10]: No one was bothering them.

[SPEAKER_10]: And until security caught up with them.

[SPEAKER_10]: And a skirt murder was actually pulling a pint in the Queen Vick, which security rolled up.

[SPEAKER_10]: And now they called the police.

[SPEAKER_10]: And it was all getting quite serious until they hosted that night's episode, Jenny Fexton, or removed the over and segmented there on top of the pops tonight.

[SPEAKER_10]: So, they weren't arrested.

[SPEAKER_10]: But, you know, this, for example, was walking around her cage.

[SPEAKER_10]: It was actually reported on by the sun at the time, and, of course, they admitted a completely fabricated story, where Barbara Windsor and Tams, and I was waiting, were outraged by the band's antics, where they weren't even there.

[SPEAKER_10]: So, I think after all that excitement, maybe they were a bit natural.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, there may be tired anyway, because without going too far into this, I'm sure you'll probably correct me on some details of this, but I remember as much as I loved everything they've done so far, being very underwhelmed by folds your hands, child you walk like a peasant.

[SPEAKER_09]: I didn't really know that there were, for one to the better were power struggles going on in the band at that point, or at least that's how it later came across to me.

[SPEAKER_09]: I know, I think Stuart David is actually on this, but he wasn't in the promotion, certainly something with a B-side.

[SPEAKER_09]: And yeah, there must have been having a kind of word to be go next moment because, you know, I don't imagine it being aimed for that level of exposure.

[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, it all seemed to happen almost by accident.

[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, you're right.

[SPEAKER_10]: Well, instead of David had left by this point to form a looper and Isabelle was kind of on a verge of leaving, you know, you know, not to go not to get to deep into it, but she didn't do a murder when a relationship and it was, you know, at that point with things weren't going well and it was all a bit fraught.

[SPEAKER_10]: So you're absolutely right.

[SPEAKER_10]: They're in this weird kind of intro zone where it's like, okay, this time we're going to take it seriously.

[SPEAKER_10]: We're going to be a proper band, but they were also kind of a little bit falling apart and a freeing at the edges.

[SPEAKER_10]: Now as we know, they didn't fall apart and they're still around today.

[SPEAKER_10]: But it was a weird time.

[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, it was exciting to see them on top of the pops.

[SPEAKER_10]: It's one of those cases where it's like, oh, it's one of our band.

[SPEAKER_10]: The weird thing is though, although they had some other hits, particularly on [SPEAKER_10]: The Trevor Horn produced album, dear catastrophe wages, and then the life pursuit.

[SPEAKER_10]: I think they only ever appeared again on top of the box.

[SPEAKER_10]: I think it was right at the end, wasn't it when it's out in Sunday nights, and they performed a few songs from the life pursuit.

[SPEAKER_10]: No, they did funny a little frog, the blues were still blue, and white color were blue, obviously recorded in one session, and then just sort of spread out over some dissolved jewelry episodes at top of the box.

[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, I don't know about you, but I wasn't watching top of the box at the very end, so I never saw any of that.

[SPEAKER_09]: No, I certainly wasn't, and to be honest with you, I kind of, I hope not on the molesting, but I kind of found them a little less interesting after they became a bit more focused because what appears to be very early on was the fact that they seemed to be more an entity than the band that you had the whole thing of it, as a bell had another band, the gentle waves [SPEAKER_09]: who I also made the idea, and I should say I loved Lupa, who's still with David Form, after leaving.

[SPEAKER_09]: She was also a published novelist, and I remember getting the Peacock manifesto and now the saddened, loving them.

[SPEAKER_09]: It was the idea that it could be, not hearing your mate to the way that Oasis were, but hearing your mate to me, I would somehow accidentally form the band.

[SPEAKER_09]: I don't know, something about it just wasn't quite my thing anymore.

[SPEAKER_09]: I don't know, I still liked a lot of the music, but that was more me.

[SPEAKER_09]: And also, I do think they made some odd choices in terms of what to release and not release around that time.

[SPEAKER_09]: I know that it wasn't popular within the band, but I really liked to do it David Song Paper Boats.

[SPEAKER_09]: There wasn't land slide, which I think was a slated single didn't come out and I think that would have been a hit as well.

[SPEAKER_09]: So I don't know sometimes when you play in the rough edges off things.

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, you know, this is in no way a criticism, but sometimes it's like with victories.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's not for the early fans once you've started hitting a little less with [SPEAKER_10]: It's absolutely no, you know, it's inevitable that they would lose some of that charm and that mistake.

[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, I do love all that, I mean, I always say I love that early stuff, is just brilliant because the way that end they would self-mathologize, they remember steer all the liner notes, which would be semi-fictional accounts of the band's lives and all of that.

[SPEAKER_10]: So, of course, all of that is lost when he's being interviewed in any emerging acre and making videos in it.

[SPEAKER_10]: You know playing festivals and stuff when they become a normal band.

[SPEAKER_10]: I think they always wanted to be.

[SPEAKER_10]: Not conventional pop band, but they wanted to be.

[SPEAKER_10]: They wanted to be.

[SPEAKER_10]: They wanted to have a fit.

[SPEAKER_10]: You know, and there's no shame in that.

[SPEAKER_10]: They lost some of that logic.

[SPEAKER_10]: They're great lives though.

[SPEAKER_10]: They're still brilliant live band.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, they are.

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, I still see them live whenever they roll up in town.

[SPEAKER_09]: But also, I mean, their half-followed is a balanced spirit day, if it's as they left the bund.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I've got to ask.

[SPEAKER_09]: What did you make of Isabelle's cover of What I Worried by Dio Streets?

[SPEAKER_09]: I haven't even heard that.

[SPEAKER_09]: I didn't, I've not heard that.

[SPEAKER_09]: Sorry.

[SPEAKER_09]: I love it.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's just a recommendation for anyone who is in the mood to listen and get interesting.

[SPEAKER_09]: I just wanted to mention how brilliant it is.

[SPEAKER_09]: So there you go.

[SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, you know, I'm going to be listening to that story after here.

[SPEAKER_09]: There's a French language version on the bonus disk as well.

[SPEAKER_09]: I don't think I'm not full of all that coming.

[SPEAKER_10]: Of course there is.

[SPEAKER_10]: Well, that's very good.

[SPEAKER_10]: I love as about stuff and it's really with some sort of stuff as well.

[SPEAKER_10]: They're great.

[SPEAKER_10]: So if anyone, so I like spells, but I haven't heard that, then they definitely seek check about it.

[SPEAKER_09]: Okay, we're moving on to your next choice now, which is, it's not quite a focus that cover of a dire straight song, but here's a character who, in some ways, you could say, I'm nearly not doing this like very well at all, but has more recently been updated for the modern age.

[SPEAKER_00]: No one can do what he can do when Spider-Man strikes back.

[SPEAKER_09]: Okay, traded there for Spider-Man Strikes back, I feel I remember very fondly, even though it was essentially just a couple of television episodes bolted together.

[SPEAKER_09]: So Paul, how did you first come across this?

[SPEAKER_10]: Well, it is the first film I ever saw in the cinema.

[SPEAKER_10]: It's very exciting.

[SPEAKER_10]: I actually, it's quite a vivid early memory, you know I can picture myself sitting there watching this.

[SPEAKER_10]: There obviously I didn't know anything about anything.

[SPEAKER_10]: I certainly didn't know that this was two episodes of the TV series cobbled together.

[SPEAKER_10]: It was just so excited to see Spider-Man on the big screen.

[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, watching it now.

[SPEAKER_10]: Of course, it's not very good, right?

[SPEAKER_10]: It's not good, but there's no difference between watching Spider-Man's drags back and watching the Superman movies.

[SPEAKER_10]: They're just both superhero films and they're in fun.

[SPEAKER_10]: The Spider-Man TV series is quite interesting because it's a big hit in the late seventies.

[SPEAKER_10]: It ran for two seasons just thirty episodes.

[SPEAKER_10]: Before CBS cancelled it because apparently they were worried about being seen as a juvenile superhero channel because they also had the incredible Hulk and Wonder Woman and a couple of doctors strange in Captain America TV movies which I've never seen.

[SPEAKER_10]: I don't know if you've seen those.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, I have.

[SPEAKER_09]: I should just point out this juncture that I do do a Marvel Cinematic Universe podcast called It's Got Except It's Sucks.

[SPEAKER_09]: Gary Baying Bridge has covered a Spider-Man series, the incredible Hulk, the Dr.

Strange pilot in the Captain America, two pilots, actually.

[SPEAKER_09]: If you're interested as well with checking out, but yeah, you are right.

[SPEAKER_09]: It was, it didn't really come over here until I think, in the late, but I just remember how absolutely huge it was.

[SPEAKER_09]: It was all anyone talked about in school.

[SPEAKER_09]: If anyone's ever seen the Kenny Everett Spider-Man sketch, it is based on the series.

[SPEAKER_09]: Not on the Spider-Man Spider-Man does whatever a Spider-Man cartoon is specifically based on the Nicholas Hammond late seventies TV series with the music as well.

[SPEAKER_09]: And this is an interesting tie-in to Spider-Man strikes back because I mentioned it's all anyone talked about in school.

[SPEAKER_09]: I remember reading in TV times that that week's episode will be part one of the deadly dust.

[SPEAKER_09]: and thinking I can't wait to see that.

[SPEAKER_09]: For some reason, in the Granada region, the announcement said you can actually now crest for though I wasn't that age, were unable to bring you tonight's episode to spy the man.

[SPEAKER_09]: And they never reshowed it and been thinking all day, what can the deadly dust be?

[SPEAKER_09]: How will spy the man fight it?

[SPEAKER_09]: And it turns out for some reason, it's apparently unknown scientific nickname for radioactive material.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I think I don't know, I have visions of the vulture sort of trapping him with deadly dust or something.

[SPEAKER_09]: I was so stressful with that.

[SPEAKER_09]: It wasn't for years that I realized because I went to see Spider-Man Strikes back at the classic cinema on Alison Road and Liverpool, which is where I saw just about everything while it was grabbing go.

[SPEAKER_09]: And they had it on on, they used to do mattenays on the Saturday afternoon where the show had things like Ray Harry House and films and the Peter Gushing Darling films and they showed Spider-Man Strikes back and I saw it and I had no way in knowing at that point that it was both episodes of The Deadly Dust.

[SPEAKER_09]: And so I had seen, I said, the years I went now and say, I was so frustrated by that, I never saw the deadly dust little realizing that I had seen.

[SPEAKER_09]: I would love to know what I was concerned as well.

[SPEAKER_09]: My best guess is something in the news, you know, like a chemical spillage somewhere or something like that.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's the only way to think of all as you happen in those days, the printed snapped when they were loading into the film reader.

[SPEAKER_09]: But it's just so amusing to me that I held this bitter resentment for years.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I had actually seen it.

[SPEAKER_10]: Oh, all those years of resentment.

[SPEAKER_10]: You could have just been sailing through life happily.

[SPEAKER_10]: It's funny watching it as a film.

[SPEAKER_10]: You can see the joint.

[SPEAKER_10]: You can see exactly where an episode went into an episode two over the begins.

[SPEAKER_10]: Watching it as well.

[SPEAKER_10]: It reminds me of something when you'll talk about this in your other podcast.

[SPEAKER_10]: The TV adaptations of Superhero stuff, even though I really enjoyed him as a kid, even then, I was always disappointed.

[SPEAKER_10]: that the villains were always just boring human men in suits.

[SPEAKER_10]: And that's certainly the case here.

[SPEAKER_10]: Now, obviously, as an older person, I understand it's a right issue that they can't afford to buy a green goblin and the doctor occupants.

[SPEAKER_10]: But it was always sort of, the world was cut-priced born villains, weren't they?

[SPEAKER_10]: Sorry, I mean, that's certainly the case in this film.

[SPEAKER_10]: Robert Alde, father of Allen, of course, as Mr White, who lives up to his name because he's just dressed all in white.

[SPEAKER_10]: He's got a white shocker here.

[SPEAKER_10]: White, a moustache.

[SPEAKER_10]: And he has a couple of henchmen who look like Jeff Cables.

[SPEAKER_10]: And it was funny to watch the henchmen in action because they're come through the experts.

[SPEAKER_10]: of course they are because it's not even seven-eight isn't it?

[SPEAKER_10]: Everything's kung fu.

[SPEAKER_10]: Everyone could do kung fu.

[SPEAKER_10]: I'm slightly mocking this, but at the same time I'm thinking, I would have loved this as a kid.

[SPEAKER_10]: This kung fu, this spider man.

[SPEAKER_10]: The other thing I was reminded of though, is spider man is an antiquity parker and nothing like they are in the comments.

[SPEAKER_10]: No, Nicholas Hammond's fault, but the being a parker has written is kind of just a bland chunk coal in it.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, that was the problem with all of those series.

[SPEAKER_09]: That was something the DC mostly got right, because they were much more protective of their characters when they were licensed out.

[SPEAKER_09]: They kept an eye on what people do with Superman and Batman and Wonder Woman and so on, whereas it took Marvel a very long time.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, first of all, get the rights back to things, but then to get savvy with them, it isn't really cartoons aside, which are different, because, you know, you can stick quite close to what people love about the comics in those, but there was always network into it, it wasn't really until blade.

[SPEAKER_09]: that they more or less did the character as was.

[SPEAKER_09]: And obviously we know what success story it's been since then, but with DC, this was just so much networking to fear and to mean they changed Bruce Banners name for a start.

[SPEAKER_09]: They're all more or less recognisably the characters.

[SPEAKER_09]: as they are, but there's just very little subtle differences, like the way Captain America's sort of a kind of weird hippie until you come to Captain America and would like to say Peter Parker just doesn't make jokes or anything, he just basically becomes Spider-Man, and it's silently fight films.

[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, that's the thing, it's Spider-Man's style.

[SPEAKER_10]: Again, remind you, I think those are the Kenny Everest games, when I had that no written down as well.

[SPEAKER_10]: because it's interesting that the pressure that we all did is kids, you know, that can have crouched hyper alert stance that sort of became the default Spider-Man impression.

[SPEAKER_10]: That was Nicholas Hammond doing Spider-Man.

[SPEAKER_10]: It's weird that there is no humor.

[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, Spider-Man is mute.

[SPEAKER_10]: There are no wise cracks.

[SPEAKER_10]: And I noticed that it's a kid as well as that the Spider-Man was my favorite because he was funny.

[SPEAKER_10]: He's not funny in this at all.

[SPEAKER_09]: Now, and why you said about the lack of villains is interesting as well, because in one or two of the others, [SPEAKER_09]: Like, for example, they got Morgan, the failure, Dr.

Strange pilot.

[SPEAKER_09]: They did use something approaching, comic villains sometimes.

[SPEAKER_09]: And there is we're getting this, is Professor Stillwell appears, but doesn't create the scorpion.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's just there in name only.

[SPEAKER_09]: There are all mana of villains inspired by them, unlike the enforcers, for example, or Kingpin.

[SPEAKER_09]: There just are ordinary people that it would not have cost a lot of money either the license or real eyes.

[SPEAKER_09]: But in that way, it just wouldn't have it for some reason.

[SPEAKER_09]: All of the villains have to be.

[SPEAKER_09]: Rounded and normal.

[SPEAKER_09]: And when you watch it now, as opposed to when you watch it the time, that's one of the things that really doesn't work about it.

[SPEAKER_10]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_10]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_10]: Well, that's part of the reason that we don't get a good bet what I said with it.

[SPEAKER_10]: CBS cancelled it because we're getting antsy about, you know, are we, we don't know if you've seen this.

[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, they were the one inspired about to be grounded in reality because they wanted it to appeal to adults as well, which is kind of missing the point.

[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, it was because adults would have liked it if you had the Kingpin and Green Goblin in it too.

[SPEAKER_10]: But they were obviously, they were not common people.

[SPEAKER_10]: So they were, it's like, or we can have a green skin person in it.

[SPEAKER_10]: That's too childish.

[SPEAKER_10]: So they really kind of missed the point of what was great about these comic.

[SPEAKER_10]: But at the same time, I mean, it was a really big hit.

[SPEAKER_10]: And it's one of those things that, you know, looking back.

[SPEAKER_10]: I thought, oh, they're already thirteen episodes, it seemed like, you know, there was a lot more than that, but no, that's all they had, that's all they made.

[SPEAKER_10]: And their plans weren't there, they were trying to sort of revive it throughout the eighties, but it never happened.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, I mean, they did eventually make a couple of further incredible Hulk movies and which they should like TV movies and which they introduced people like the Dablin Thor and Kingpin, actually.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, poor odds, but either I never quite took off.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I think one of the reasons is one of the factors that it's consolation was it was so expensive because, you know, no CGI in those days, but not even really any effective blue screen.

[SPEAKER_09]: Those are actual stuntmen swinging between buildings.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[SPEAKER_09]: Health and safety nightmare in the opposite.

[SPEAKER_09]: I don't know without bother about that in those days, but they were bothered about how expensive it was.

[SPEAKER_10]: Oh, well, watching that would say owns IT and using, you know, for someone with a veritable, it's horrible.

[SPEAKER_10]: I think the stunt work is pretty well done.

[SPEAKER_10]: It's quite crude, but I think it's well done.

[SPEAKER_10]: I think the claim and upbuildings and stuff.

[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, it's pretty good for seventy-eight.

[SPEAKER_09]: The odd thing is, in a very strange, you'll intended way.

[SPEAKER_09]: It kind of falls between two.

[SPEAKER_09]: I'm getting very comic-specific here, but two iterations inspired.

[SPEAKER_09]: I'm on the surface level.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's you know the classic sort of the standard Peter Parker setup you know working for the daily bugle should be living a funny wise cracking life with lots of romantic intrigue but they are most of that out but it does in a way due to the low red nature of the villains reflect what was actually happening in the comics at that point which was [SPEAKER_09]: There was a phase where he followed that with Aunt May.

[SPEAKER_09]: He was living in a flat on his own.

[SPEAKER_09]: He wasn't always in permanent employment, which I think is where they're going next with the actual mobs and I had to universe films based on the end of Badebahn, No Way Home, where it seems to be setting that up.

[SPEAKER_09]: He was more associated with people like Iron Fist and the Punisher made more of the fact that he was a vigilante at a relationship with the Black Cat as another vigilante.

[SPEAKER_09]: And it's frustrating because if you know about Spider-Man, you can see both of those parts.

[SPEAKER_09]: heading out from this series, and indeed this film, a nodder of the Matecan.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's just sort of like, dawdling a intersection between the two.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it's exactly that.

[SPEAKER_10]: I don't want him laying into this harmless film for months, I mean, but I didn't know it was how badly it was directed.

[SPEAKER_10]: It's really stiff and still to guy he directed at Ron Sattloff.

[SPEAKER_10]: It was a real journey, but he doesn't really seem to be engaged with the material.

[SPEAKER_10]: It's interesting that Nicolas Hammond was reading about his career and he really did all right job in act.

[SPEAKER_10]: So he never really became a big star.

[SPEAKER_10]: In fact, this is the thing he's most remembered for.

[SPEAKER_10]: But it was amazing to see him turn up a few years ago in Quentin Tarantino as once upon a time in Hollywood.

[SPEAKER_10]: That was our left field because of casting now.

[SPEAKER_10]: I know Tarantino is known for that, but Nicolas Hammond, that's a deep dive.

[SPEAKER_09]: Did you know there was another Spiderman TV series around the same time though?

[SPEAKER_09]: Nope, the Japanese Spider-Man series.

[SPEAKER_10]: No, tell me about that.

[SPEAKER_09]: It is one of the most bizarre things you will ever see.

[SPEAKER_09]: Spider-Man does kung fu while hunting off the ceiling.

[SPEAKER_09]: He is accompanied by essentially a transformer, a live action transformer.

[SPEAKER_09]: There are some episodes out there, literally translated from the Japanese, and the dialogue, not exactly for Comic Convertia.

[SPEAKER_09]: I have, from a transcription, this is genuine, un-contributive helpman, Cecil Operation at once, by whose enterprise do you come under us?

[SPEAKER_09]: That's gold.

[SPEAKER_09]: It is fantastic, but it will, it will confuse you quite a lot.

[SPEAKER_09]: They have incorporated that spider mum is in.

[SPEAKER_09]: He's not an into the spider first, but he's in the cross the spider first.

[SPEAKER_10]: Oh brilliant.

[SPEAKER_10]: All right, okay, so after this Tim, I'm going to listen to it as well.

[SPEAKER_10]: Campbell covering Doris Street, and I'm going to watch Japanese spider round.

[SPEAKER_10]: That's my evening sorted.

[SPEAKER_09]: Okay, well, I hope you might also find room for your next choice.

[SPEAKER_06]: She's there [SPEAKER_08]: You know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know [SPEAKER_09]: Right, okay, that was, as anyone the person in the musical position will instantly be able to tell you, can be popped by bass from the secret vampire soundtrack EP.

[SPEAKER_09]: Paul, I have thoughts about this, but what else?

[SPEAKER_10]: I thought it's about the secret vampires that people that are candy pops are first best song ever heard and it must have been on Radcliffe.

[SPEAKER_10]: I'm pretty sure it was about Radcliffe.

[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I'm a big fan.

[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, the thing that everyone knows about candy pop and top of the pops is that this where apparently the first unsaying band.

[SPEAKER_09]: I have some doubts about that, but that's not.

[SPEAKER_09]: The sixties is a different time and labels were different in those days, but even so.

[SPEAKER_10]: It's not strictly true, if that is not true.

[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, they weren't signed to a major label, but this record was released on chemical underground, the Glasgow indie label.

[SPEAKER_10]: So yeah, I mean, it wasn't just, I don't think Rick Blackzel was in the habit of sifting through and saying demos every week, but that's not how they got on top of the pops.

[SPEAKER_10]: I'm a fan of where you, I'm a detective, you have some issues with the music.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, I'll just explain this as briefly as I can.

[SPEAKER_09]: First of all, the joke was later on me because this involved in my opinions were really really good group, but I loved after that.

[SPEAKER_09]: And then it wasn't even with your own disco and action and drama, it was they did an EP on Grand Royal Records, the Beastie Boys' Ladyboard, which I really loved.

[SPEAKER_09]: And to be honest, had that look some further at the time, the three-piece sides are other three other tracks on the EP.

[SPEAKER_09]: I'll roar more in line with what they did later.

[SPEAKER_09]: It was just candy pop.

[SPEAKER_09]: Possibly wasn't aimed at me.

[SPEAKER_09]: I was more into, that's about super grass and super fairy animals at the time.

[SPEAKER_09]: And there's something about it that just forgave me any of you who are listening, but it just doesn't agree with me.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's a song that I've tried and tried again, but it's just, it's not for me.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's, you know, that, I'm not saying that, and then the great way doesn't say anything wrong with it is just the song that delivery in the video.

[SPEAKER_09]: Kind of, they're not my thing, should we say.

[SPEAKER_10]: Fair enough.

[SPEAKER_10]: They are very much an acquired taste.

[SPEAKER_10]: You've not really acquired it.

[SPEAKER_10]: That's fair enough.

[SPEAKER_09]: I did immediately after coming to pulp after the challenge, but it's just coming to pulp.

[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I mean, it's like deliberately purposely conjures like borderline irritating, which is really kind of part of the charm of it, I think, as well.

[SPEAKER_10]: You know, obviously the hook, mandarin, singing, surps or candy pulp, you know, in our own Glasgow accent is fun or terribly irritating.

[SPEAKER_10]: But it's not just that.

[SPEAKER_10]: It's you know, I get them the whole song and we just really get under your skin.

[SPEAKER_10]: But I just, like we said earlier, about Balancer Bastion, at the same bus on top of the pops was another one of...

Yay, it's us, it's one of us because they were teenagers and they're three geeky bubblegum punk pop DIY in decids making it.

[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, credibly catchy or annoying racket or catchy end annoying racket.

[SPEAKER_10]: It's kinda glorious and in hindsight, it feels like one of the very last examples of the weirdos being allowed to gatecrash top of the pops.

[SPEAKER_09]: Exactly that and also, [SPEAKER_09]: I should have fell more positively inclined.

[SPEAKER_09]: It was something that was from the same sort of, I don't know, just general scene, general atmosphere that I was in as well, because I can't tell you, I did play it when I was DJing indie clubs and everyone went berserk [SPEAKER_09]: they did.

[SPEAKER_09]: And the other thing was that you mentioned they were part of the teensy movement.

[SPEAKER_09]: They were all very much.

[SPEAKER_09]: I don't like the word twey, but there is a sense in which if you interpret it in a different way, it was an aspiration of bans like that to [SPEAKER_09]: Bring a bit of, you know, light-harsidness and thumb, but I don't know much humor in this stuff.

[SPEAKER_10]: They're smart, funny people.

[SPEAKER_10]: The thing about this is, I mean, Kniki, you I also love to kick over to Kniki a bit at the same time.

[SPEAKER_09]: This was at the, you know, it was the punker, and I never liked punkers.

[SPEAKER_09]: Despite loving everything else Kniki did.

[SPEAKER_10]: I see, okay, I guess there were being thought new to it.

[SPEAKER_10]: It's like, I want a brick pop stunt.

[SPEAKER_10]: This is the next wave of indie kids, but they never really happened.

[SPEAKER_10]: I guess they never really got much play on daytime radio, so the pop kids, you know, the mainstream pop kids never heard them.

[SPEAKER_10]: They just never became that, you know, on that very episode, the Besserong.

[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, talk about the sort of flag end of the brick pop caster on, doing the dreary walk away.

[SPEAKER_10]: That kind of sums up the kind of prevailing sort of, if you were into guitar music or, you know, a lot of people who were into guitar music, that was a sort of stuff that we're buying, wasn't it?

[SPEAKER_10]: It was Travis and the Verve and [SPEAKER_10]: cast.

[SPEAKER_10]: They weren't buying bits and sneaky records, unfortunately.

[SPEAKER_09]: I'm not quite sure what I think of my old fanzines now, but apparently they go for decent money on eBay and repeat the tell, so I wish I had to stack them on top of it.

[SPEAKER_09]: I didn't get them printed on demand at the time.

[SPEAKER_09]: I used to get sent a lot of other people's fanzines, including some of the went on to become a very successful writer and a broadcast of Lucy Sweet.

[SPEAKER_09]: self-coord on skinny, which was kind of like, you know, a hyper-realised version of her life as an indicate.

[SPEAKER_09]: And it had, there was a running joke about sort of teensy girls, you know, with her grips and fluffy backpacks just lurking in the background smiling.

[SPEAKER_10]: What do you want of me?

[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_10]: Well, I mean, when Mandarin was the queen of that look, which was so prevalent, you know, in our world.

[SPEAKER_10]: And that was the thing, it's like, because she looked like, oh, you know, the old indie girls, the boys, the brothers and the band, they just looked like, you know, it was like, hey, it was just lovely to see them.

[SPEAKER_10]: And yeah, you mentioned your disco, that was like a bit like legal man.

[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, that was their tip for some, because that's a more sensed pop disco record as the title implies.

[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I was looking up, I thought that was a hit.

[SPEAKER_10]: It wasn't really sort of scraped into the top third.

[SPEAKER_10]: It was a very minor hit.

[SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to be very fair to this here.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think the, I always think it was not even the way so it was men's word that changed this because they came from nowhere with a couple of hit singles that I still maintain are actually quite good.

[SPEAKER_09]: I know people wouldn't agree, but I really, but that then changed the rules about indie band.

[SPEAKER_09]: You didn't get to do finding your feet.

[SPEAKER_09]: He was straight, centre-state and I'm around thinking this is not long left school.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: So that would be like if one of my six form buns, which I don't really want to revisit, had taken off, you know, and I feel quite sorry for them that, you know, County Pop has come to define them and you're feeling, because they did so much brilliant stuff later.

[SPEAKER_10]: They are still putting high brilliant stuff.

[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, and they still play Candy Pop.

[SPEAKER_10]: I did play in the middle of each set.

[SPEAKER_10]: You know, I was just going to go the way back.

[SPEAKER_10]: Talking about it feeling sorry for me.

[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I did and I you will remember this they were treating pretty Oh, perfectly by certain members of the music press Amanda in particular about a sixteen seventy-year-old girl a lot of really unpleasant I remember being called far by some writers It was considered themselves right on the first was she wasn't overweight and if she was what are you doing she's a TV's girl and I just and that really really affected her I mean she's talked about that and interview since I mean you can imagine how harrowing and upsetting that would be [SPEAKER_10]: So yeah, we're talking about the right on groovy nineties, but that's sort of awfulness.

[SPEAKER_10]: We're still prevalent.

[SPEAKER_10]: That's, you know, sexist, fatist.

[SPEAKER_10]: Can I imagine, and it's state and it's horrible.

[SPEAKER_10]: It's horrible.

[SPEAKER_10]: I remember at the time thinking it was horrible.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, on the slightly lighter nose, I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_09]: That was a bit heavy.

[SPEAKER_09]: Sorry.

[SPEAKER_09]: No, I'm now going to say what?

[SPEAKER_09]: Because I have fun listening to the rest of the EP, which I didn't, that just because I've never owned it.

[SPEAKER_09]: Because I saw no reason to do.

[SPEAKER_09]: Although, like I say, I've got several later bits of albums, but the other tracks on it, [SPEAKER_09]: Secret Vampires is kind of in the candy pop style, but it's got a lot more new ones to it.

[SPEAKER_09]: Genuinely fully jokes in it.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's got a bit more of a chewed disker.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's very much in the electric pop style that they do later.

[SPEAKER_09]: And teensy power sounds a little bit like stereotypes by blur.

[SPEAKER_09]: In a good way, I'm not saying, oh, they copied it.

[SPEAKER_09]: I'm saying it reminds me of a song I always really love.

[SPEAKER_09]: So, more full me for not listening to the EP at the time.

[SPEAKER_10]: If Candy pops a link single, then it's not for you, then you're not going to delve into the rest of it.

[SPEAKER_10]: Are you not the time anyway?

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, I did mention to you about something that did happen at the time, which is I saw refight caused by the secret vampire soundtrack EP.

[SPEAKER_10]: Right.

[SPEAKER_10]: Okay, don't please tell me, leaving a no detail no matter how you do it.

[SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[SPEAKER_09]: It was chucking out time at the student union Liverpool.

[SPEAKER_09]: I was with my group of friends at time waiting for a taxi, a bloke in a woolly bis hat, ran up and shouted, BISS at the top of his voice.

[SPEAKER_09]: Upon which, I kind of, I'm gonna be a bit mean about this guy's appearance, but he was like about a teen or something, but this mod, and when I say mod, you know, not a stylish mod, he looked like, you remember those Carl Harman mods you used to get?

[SPEAKER_09]: So for these henchmen on Grange Hill, who had one line or whatever.

[SPEAKER_09]: He looked like that, and he was obviously trying to carry off the attitude like that, but he just really started on this bloke for liking this.

[SPEAKER_09]: I remember he used the line.

[SPEAKER_09]: I was going to see the he when you were still playing subuteo, which A, that cannot be mathematically chronologically correct.

[SPEAKER_09]: And B, and don't grow, and I don't still play subuteo.

[SPEAKER_09]: In fact, oh, they're more likely to do that.

[SPEAKER_09]: Anyway, they're going to a bit of a bit of a conflagration, should we say.

[SPEAKER_09]: And they were separated.

[SPEAKER_09]: And because I kind of looked somewhere between Indy Kid and Mod, they both glanced at me and kind of like sort of come on me, help me out, sort of where you know.

[SPEAKER_09]: I've got no stake in this at all.

[SPEAKER_09]: Other things to see a fight over.

[SPEAKER_09]: I can't beat popists.

[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, you know, the world indie pop is fraught as a violent dark and frightening place, especially when, yeah, fate, we Scottish indie bands are concerned.

[SPEAKER_10]: What, yeah, a sorrow home and more.

[SPEAKER_10]: I love that you knew exactly what I was talking about.

[SPEAKER_10]: I did a perfect description.

[SPEAKER_10]: Who was the chap that played Terry, the cook-in-followed terrorist?

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, there was a little bit of Brian Hall about them as well.

[SPEAKER_09]: Brian?

[SPEAKER_09]: It does, well, I think they thought there was a dash of Lewis Collins, but there wasn't.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, he was very much a cut-price loser.

[SPEAKER_10]: Sorry, Brian Hall, you were a very fine actor, but yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I will say as a code to this, obviously recently, Candy Popper showed up on the top of the pop repeats on BVIV.

[SPEAKER_09]: It really gets my goved when, because to me, the whole point of those repeats isn't the stuff you know when you're seeing you hear all the time.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's not about the patch up boys.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's not about to power.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's not about anything like that.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's about, you know, in the AT's when you get the weird soul act and the hermettled buttons and the the early hip hop things where you cannot figure out who bought it and why.

[SPEAKER_09]: People being ready to get you all like about ninety stuff like the wild hearts.

[SPEAKER_09]: They're gonna come in for a kick.

[SPEAKER_09]: And my thought is always, at least they do something a bit different.

[SPEAKER_09]: And this is not a lot of your ways I'm forever.

[SPEAKER_09]: And they got a real kick.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I thought really moved to stand up for them because I could not say.

[SPEAKER_09]: Even though I still don't like candy pop, I could not say what they were doing wrong.

[SPEAKER_10]: Oh no, no.

[SPEAKER_10]: There's in everything right there.

[SPEAKER_10]: They're exactly what they're supposed to be.

[SPEAKER_10]: That's really disappointing to hear.

[SPEAKER_10]: I'm glad you stood up for the MS that.

[SPEAKER_10]: Who are all blessed?

[SPEAKER_10]: What, thirty years after the fact, and they're still getting a kick.

[SPEAKER_09]: Okay, well moving on to your next choice now, which is a record by somebody who couldn't be further musically removed from this, but in your terms, was every bit as much out of place.

[SPEAKER_05]: And the streets get so high We shall tie a feet with fireproof Under the bow Down by the sea All I'm like with my baby [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, that's Bruce Willis singing under the ball walk with the drifters there.

[SPEAKER_09]: So Paul, why have I put this here?

[SPEAKER_10]: and I was getting into soul music at this time and you know when you're that age and you're getting into old music you kind of come out from all sorts of weird angles so I'm getting into sixty soul and I should say that by the way the return of Bruno was released on motor so my first album was on motor and album [SPEAKER_10]: Okay, arguably not the best motel album, but it was a motel album.

[SPEAKER_10]: So I'm getting into Seoul, and I'm just like, yeah, so he's covering under the boardwalk, and I'm here now, you know, the California raisin, and I'm here all these classic songs in Advertis.

[SPEAKER_10]: So you just, you're kind of learning this stuff gradually from all these sort of weird places.

[SPEAKER_10]: And I think about what chosen this, not actually the album, the return of Bruno.

[SPEAKER_10]: What just do?

[SPEAKER_10]: right, but it's the TV special.

[SPEAKER_10]: The Bruce Willis made to promote the art.

[SPEAKER_10]: It's an HBO special called the Return of Bruno.

[SPEAKER_10]: And it's a spoofed documentary about this fictional sixties rock star, Bruno Radelini played by Bruce Willis and they're kind of one joke can see is that he was massively influential, he influenced everyone and then retired at the P.C.

[SPEAKER_10]: of his powers in the early seventies and has never been seen since until now, in the early seven, this is comeback album.

[SPEAKER_10]: Now, bear in mind when I watch the spoof documentary, I've never seen, oh, you need this cash.

[SPEAKER_10]: Or this is spinal tap.

[SPEAKER_10]: So this was kind of, this was new to me, this kind of thing.

[SPEAKER_10]: So this, this seemed like a bold, innovative piece of musical comedy.

[SPEAKER_10]: And actually, the spoof documentary aspect of this is actually all right, isn't it?

[SPEAKER_10]: It's actually quite funny, do you agree?

[SPEAKER_09]: I would say so, yes.

[SPEAKER_09]: There are some problems with it just as a concept, but I will call it that to them.

[SPEAKER_10]: It does not stand up to, there is no internal logic in it.

[SPEAKER_10]: It does not stand up to scrutiny.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, I think the biggest problem with it at the time was that Bruce Willis was still a very new name.

[SPEAKER_09]: Moonlight, you could start in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in [SPEAKER_09]: And I think people probably, you missed the references to Bruno in the videos to express yourself and under the boardwalk, people probably thought Bruce Willis was actually a former rock star who turned to work because it's not like there weren't enough of them around at the time.

[SPEAKER_10]: on British television on BBC Two on the third and first of all, it's ninety seven and that's when I would take it.

[SPEAKER_10]: But yeah, the whole thing is a vanity project, but I think it's one of those, it's like more, it's not, it's like, you know, it's all currently embarrassing, it's like Don Johnson or whoever.

[SPEAKER_10]: There's a lot of self awareness in this.

[SPEAKER_10]: Look at these smart on the cover of the album, right?

[SPEAKER_10]: He knows, he knows this ridiculous.

[SPEAKER_10]: He knows that he's only possible, bar, band singer.

[SPEAKER_10]: He's an only possible harmonic player.

[SPEAKER_10]: He knows all that and he's having fun.

[SPEAKER_10]: He's been offered a contract for Motown.

[SPEAKER_10]: And of course he's going to take it.

[SPEAKER_10]: Of course he's going to make a record.

[SPEAKER_10]: And I think the special being a comedy is another way of him sort of winking at the audience and yeah, you know, folks, I'm in on the joke as well.

[SPEAKER_10]: I know I'm nothing special.

[SPEAKER_10]: Let's have a bit of fun.

[SPEAKER_10]: But what I forgot, though, actually, is that it's an hour long special.

[SPEAKER_10]: The spoofed documentary part is only the first half of the last half is a concert.

[SPEAKER_10]: And it's a lot of concert, isn't it?

[SPEAKER_10]: First, he's just not very good, is it?

[SPEAKER_09]: I think it's fair to say that, and I think the documentary itself, or others moved up and you, well, it is funny.

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, you mentioned the rotals all you need is cash and this is spinal tap.

[SPEAKER_09]: It pales next to both of them in that it doesn't go forward in the same way spinal tap does a mundane thing blown up to ridiculous proportions, like Derek being stuck in the part during rock and roll creation.

[SPEAKER_09]: There's nothing quite that, you know, the protracted calamity of something very minor going wrong, and it turns into a big band drama.

[SPEAKER_09]: But it doesn't ramp up the silliness like the ruttles does either, because my main door watching it again was, there's nothing like rottling orange peel.

[SPEAKER_09]: Who there is no reason for a guy that's interviewed a visitor that's nothing to contribute.

[SPEAKER_09]: Basically, just we've wasted our money.

[SPEAKER_09]: It doesn't quite go for the silliness like that, and last we forget, of course, the ruttles ends with the post-creditsy, where a guy that'll just, when they say he falls at the swimming pool, [SPEAKER_09]: It isn't for any reason.

[SPEAKER_09]: He just sort of, he's something that you think just goes, ah, London, and that's not a quietness on Adrodo's levels.

[SPEAKER_10]: No, it's a one-joke thing that the Bruno don't influence everybody, but it doesn't really make any sense.

[SPEAKER_10]: Because it's like, we get wrinkled, but by the way, the guests on this.

[SPEAKER_10]: It's funny.

[SPEAKER_10]: He was a big star, wasn't it?

[SPEAKER_10]: Because he must have been to get this roster of Rock Legend.

[SPEAKER_10]: So he's got Ringgoe's got Elton, Brian Wilson, Grace Leck, Phil Collins, five Davis.

[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, but they're just basically doing what Mick Jagger and Paul Simon did in all you need his catch, which is recounting their own actual memories while remembering to mention a fictional act.

[SPEAKER_09]: And that's interesting in itself, because I would say that while Mick Jacket is really, really fully annoying as Cashier, whole Simon essence.

[SPEAKER_10]: Not because he's just talking about listening to Sergeant Peppers and Headphones.

[SPEAKER_10]: That's, I said, come on Paul.

[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, his friends with Lord Michael's and Woody Allen, he'd think he'd be like a funny guy.

[SPEAKER_10]: But improv is not his fault.

[SPEAKER_10]: Where's Mick?

[SPEAKER_10]: Could have been a member of Second City.

[SPEAKER_10]: He's very, very good.

[SPEAKER_10]: I would say that Phil Collins is good comic timing, but we know that, because he later turns out in the Bryan parents stuff, he's got a really good dead plan comic timing, because Phil Collins is one of the few celebs in it, he's actually given a couple of jobs.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I do think that when they were working on Bryan Pern, they must have watched this, because I would say actually in tone, it is closest to the return of Bruno, then it is to why I'd explain what's up all the ruttles.

[SPEAKER_10]: Well, it's exactly the sort of thing that we've promised to be familiar with.

[SPEAKER_10]: But just go back to that point.

[SPEAKER_10]: I was saying about how I was just sort of absorbing stuff and learning stuff about sixties rocker and rock history.

[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, even this silly little program, you know, because it hits all the expected beats.

[SPEAKER_10]: You know, he starts out in the early sixties that's kind of frapped rocker.

[SPEAKER_10]: And he's just sort of mopped up or despite the fact that he, you know, influenced the Beatles.

[SPEAKER_10]: That doesn't make any sense.

[SPEAKER_10]: And he goes psychedelic and any plays would stop.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh yeah, with a band called Flock, which is such an accurate name.

[SPEAKER_09]: You could actually believe that was a real button.

[SPEAKER_10]: Well, it just is your second.

[SPEAKER_10]: I wish there was more of that sort of thing in it.

[SPEAKER_10]: There's nice little, I wouldn't say they technically did details, I don't know, you know, it squids it, but there's some nice little bit of it.

[SPEAKER_10]: But yeah, so I'm learning about like, oh yeah, so then on on the side of the other thing happened, on then there was wood stop, right, but I'll learn more about that.

[SPEAKER_10]: So I can thank you.

[SPEAKER_10]: This return of Bruno.

[SPEAKER_10]: But I was learning all of that.

[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, I think this was a ride about the same.

[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, this was a year that it was twenty years ago.

[SPEAKER_10]: Today came out the documentary.

[SPEAKER_10]: So I'm learning about the Beatles.

[SPEAKER_10]: I think it was also this year that a last myth in Jones did their Beatles sketch, which sort of taught me a bit better.

[SPEAKER_09]: I would have sung the old circus poster.

[SPEAKER_10]: But he does do some really people may have their own opinions on how effective they are as version, but some great songs on the soundtrack album, including Secret Agent Mom.

[SPEAKER_10]: Which was that used in America as the thing to dingin' around?

[SPEAKER_09]: It was, yes.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I don't know why.

[SPEAKER_09]: As much as I was secret agent man as I said, the way anyone saw fit to replace that brilliant Cold War obstacle theme.

[SPEAKER_10]: It's a mean, I mean, they're both great, but yeah, but the proper theme is perfect for dingin' around.

[SPEAKER_10]: But yeah, it does secret agent man.

[SPEAKER_10]: He does, obviously I'm to board what, under the board that you mentioned and respect to yourself and fun time, which is all of your conqueror song.

[SPEAKER_10]: The best song.

[SPEAKER_10]: and that he does on the album and then this is cover of Youngblood by the co-stars, which he gets away with.

[SPEAKER_10]: I think he does a pretty good job on that.

[SPEAKER_10]: Maybe because it doesn't call for, you know, I mean he's got a very limited range.

[SPEAKER_10]: But cos he's an actor.

[SPEAKER_10]: And think he kind of knows how to sell a song in the way that John Belushi did.

[SPEAKER_10]: You know, he wasn't a great singer either, but he give it his all.

[SPEAKER_10]: It's kind of charming.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I think he knew when to draw lines.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, because we weren't played with Bruce Wellish musical projects for years afterwards, which obviously some people did go on to believe they were great singers after playing comedy singer.

[SPEAKER_10]: Not him.

[SPEAKER_10]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_10]: He released one more album.

[SPEAKER_10]: Yes, I bought that too.

[SPEAKER_10]: If they don't kill you, it just makes you stronger.

[SPEAKER_09]: Nobody apart from me, but that was probably just a record company insisted on that.

[SPEAKER_10]: I didn't.

[SPEAKER_10]: Because it was returning to Bruno, didn't all right.

[SPEAKER_10]: But yeah, that was a huge flop.

[SPEAKER_10]: And he wisely, yeah, he just called it, he said, well, he'd obviously had these funding.

[SPEAKER_10]: He just said, well, I've done that.

[SPEAKER_10]: I've done this thing.

[SPEAKER_10]: I don't know what that was.

[SPEAKER_10]: My system then published them just the only corner.

[SPEAKER_10]: So that was the musical career of Bruce Wells, but it is as we see less embarrassing than a lot of people tried to see him sort of thing, mainly because of the self-awareness and the sense of humor.

[SPEAKER_09]: I will just ask though, because there was one song in this album that I couldn't track down anywhere, which is called Jackpot, a bracket, Bruno's bot.

[SPEAKER_09]: Now, given that big of the besides illegal money, including Stuart David's Winter Walksie, which I think is a really good overlooked song, and the other tracks on the secret vampire soundtrack EP, is this some kind of hidden highlight I'm missing?

[SPEAKER_10]: Jackpot, yeah, it's ricocheting right in my head right now, and it's obviously one of the few as it may be the only song original song was written for the project.

[SPEAKER_10]: I don't have heat and I ended it.

[SPEAKER_10]: Jackpot is...

I'm gonna be talking about the same stuff I wrote, which is bizarre to me.

[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, it's all right for a Bruce Willis album track.

[SPEAKER_10]: It's not bad.

[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, is that before?

[SPEAKER_09]: Okay, well on BBC's here we're on the same time, although mainly with being repeat.

[SPEAKER_09]: If you turn on the expected sea moon lighting, but it was a wrong night, you might see this bunch of bastards instead, but in quite a different form.

[SPEAKER_03]: You choose who you want to be, and the computer controls the other three!

[SPEAKER_03]: Wait, Vivian, Mark and the OPA, just as you might expect, and to in real life!

[SPEAKER_03]: So each game will vary tremendously, depending on who you want to be!

[SPEAKER_03]: The young ones, superbly animated, overwhelming graphics and sound!

[SPEAKER_01]: You play the young ones until you brain burn out.

[SPEAKER_09]: Okay, I know a lot of you don't like it when the puts their next spectrum noises in, but that's just how it has to be.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's the young ones came there.

[SPEAKER_10]: What is bigger disappointment to you was it was to me, Paul?

[SPEAKER_10]: Oh, massively, because United States, what could be more exciting?

[SPEAKER_10]: Are young ones communicating?

[SPEAKER_10]: Am I [SPEAKER_10]: It was one of the, well, we'll go into, you know, why it's quite notorious.

[SPEAKER_10]: But you get the game and not only is it confusing and difficult, it's boring.

[SPEAKER_10]: It's one of those, it's set in the young ones' house, right?

[SPEAKER_10]: Of course it is.

[SPEAKER_10]: And it's one of those pick things up.

[SPEAKER_10]: Pick objects up and implement them game.

[SPEAKER_10]: but the problem I had with it was although I was a massive fan of the young ones and I'd seen every episode so we got this ninety six we didn't have a VHS recorder and that's it so I'd never taped any of the episodes so I'm playing this all from memory and if you're just going from memory it's difficult to know which objects go with which character I think it was repeated in ninety six or is that right doing a better than me [SPEAKER_09]: They've repeated a few times during the eighties, actually, yes.

[SPEAKER_09]: But there was a sense of identity to take, so the young ones, although the series of finished, were still like our in concern, because it was the record with Cliff Richard, there was...

There was...

The comic belief, staged, and a comic belief, walk the utterly merry, comic belief, Christmas book, which I think was withdrawn on the count of, I think it was mainly the Richard Curtis Gospel according to sheep, which was pushing it a bit.

[SPEAKER_09]: But there were some complaints about the young ones in the activity as well, but they did [SPEAKER_09]: It's still seen to be an active.

[SPEAKER_09]: You can't really say comedy truth because they'd never really were.

[SPEAKER_09]: But you know, the young ones technically still existed and by the end of the night to the eighty six, I think they have more or less knocked it on the head.

[SPEAKER_09]: But this was, I saw some concerning, they can only have come out of belief that the young ones are still an active force, still a government concern.

[SPEAKER_09]: And obviously they weren't.

[SPEAKER_10]: Oh no, we didn't know that.

[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, I certainly wouldn't have known at the time that the second series was the final series.

[SPEAKER_10]: I wouldn't have known that they weren't going to make anymore.

[SPEAKER_10]: But yeah, that's a really good point.

[SPEAKER_10]: In the eight sections, they were still wearable in concern.

[SPEAKER_10]: They were still around, they were still doing stuff.

[SPEAKER_10]: And this game, yeah, I didn't tell them the reason why it was made, because it was made for us.

[SPEAKER_10]: But it was, I mean, what we should get into is the story, it's because there was a bug in it, rather than several bugs.

[SPEAKER_10]: And unless you chose to play the video, you couldn't complete it.

[SPEAKER_10]: It was impossible to complete.

[SPEAKER_10]: The company had made it obvious.

[SPEAKER_10]: They went out of business so well.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, they seem to make one of the game, called Underworld, The Village.

[SPEAKER_09]: Jack never heard of, was it just, was it only made two games?

[SPEAKER_10]: As far as I can tell, and one of them is this, so they've got the rights for the BBC for the other ones, and that's huge.

[SPEAKER_10]: Maybe it wasn't that expensive, but it's still a pretty big thing to get the rights to.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, he is interested in me, you look at what they were games of at the time, because often they board no relation to the actual property.

[SPEAKER_09]: You know, got things like mind, a grain jail, thunder birds, which water really got gave, give I regards a broad street, which [SPEAKER_09]: Isn't a good game, but it's tailor made for me, but it's basically, as I've mentioned on him many times, you are Paul McCartney, and you're waiting in the tube station.

[SPEAKER_09]: I could come and think of any better gameplay than that.

[SPEAKER_09]: It was Ghostbusters, which sort of played itself.

[SPEAKER_09]: Benny Hills, my cup chase.

[SPEAKER_09]: You're Benny Hill, and you're still on the way for washing lines.

[SPEAKER_09]: Who's rap-door, which I think is quite good, but things like the cobra bobs for house.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, prime minister, but not the ass minister.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, they obviously drew a line somewhere because you didn't get a what the paper say game or you should be so lucky or the river with David Essex.

[SPEAKER_09]: I would have loved the last myth in Joe.

[SPEAKER_09]: No, the world court is a myth in Joe.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yes.

[SPEAKER_09]: Okay, look at that.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think there was kind of a gold rush for the rights of things that people bought without actually considering what they might do with them because my two biggest problems with this game are one the plot.

[SPEAKER_09]: Why would any of them be leaving the house?

[SPEAKER_09]: Why would any of them be moving out?

[SPEAKER_09]: That's just impractical, but the other is the music for one to have a better word.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think that's best heard in the notorious advert for it with the bloke doing Vivian's voice, and it's not like even if you'd asked a relative who'd never seen the unwantedly Vivian's voice would've been better than that.

[SPEAKER_09]: But it sounds a bit like the young ones envy, but not.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, they didn't have the rights to that at all.

[SPEAKER_10]: And the anger at the guy said he said it's a pity, doesn't he?

[SPEAKER_10]: Doesn't he?

[SPEAKER_10]: Doesn't he?

[SPEAKER_10]: Because he's a bad zippy impression.

[SPEAKER_09]: And he says they behave exactly how you'd expect them to.

[SPEAKER_09]: And the sauce, because they just walk around saying, I'm going to pick up the so-called girly dress.

[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, and then the old thing, heavy man, and all that sort of thing.

[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, what is clear from it is the people who wrote the game.

[SPEAKER_10]: I don't know what's every episode, but that as I say is my problem, because it's very very, unless you watch those episodes again in the video, you wouldn't necessarily know what to do, but that object, that object from relation to that character.

[SPEAKER_10]: and they put the work it and I mean they'd obviously really watch it but I didn't make for an engaging game.

[SPEAKER_10]: Do you know what it's actually better?

[SPEAKER_10]: It's the same format and came out a couple years later it was a dead instance how to be a complete bastard game which is like it's kind of the same game but actually playable.

[SPEAKER_10]: A bit playable and a lot more fun and that's just basically you know you're just at a party you're putting cling film over the toilet seat and all that sort of stuff you're just being a bastard and you get more points for it.

[SPEAKER_10]: There's a lot more playable and a lot more fun, but nobody really remembers it.

[SPEAKER_10]: No hype to be a complete bastard thing was, well, I don't know if it was big, it was big in my eyes for it to be with the hear.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh no, it was because it was even the spin-off Pamela Staves and bought cow to be a complete bitch.

[SPEAKER_09]: There was controversy about that, because some shops wouldn't stock it, because it's a bitch on the cover.

[SPEAKER_09]: The bastard was fine.

[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, exactly, a hypocrisy in action.

[SPEAKER_10]: No, you have got both of those books.

[SPEAKER_10]: I forgot about the pamela Staves and money.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's not brilliant, but it exists.

[SPEAKER_09]: No, it exists.

[SPEAKER_10]: But the disappointment is still sort of feeling.

[SPEAKER_10]: It's just like, oh, it isn't good.

[SPEAKER_10]: And the worst advantage, you don't know that the people who make the young ones had nothing to do with it.

[SPEAKER_10]: You just think it's another piece of young ones stuff.

[SPEAKER_10]: Obviously, they had nothing to do with it.

[SPEAKER_10]: Because everything that they did, I mean, the young ones book is as infinitely fantastic, packed with jokes and detail, and it's absolutely brilliant one of the greatest comedy books.

[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, but I love the thought of Rick and A.

Playing this, trying to play this.

[SPEAKER_10]: I think Rick even aware that [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, I'm wish they played it done the commentary on it.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, that would be lovely, yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: And also, with my, as an again, as I've mentioned here before, and now my theory about how the various iterations of Rick and A double act rank in terms of intelligence, I wish we got a game based on all the, I wish to be in the dangerous brother's game, and a hard-bick house game, of course, and filthy rich and cat-flop, filthy rich and cat-flop.

[SPEAKER_09]: See, that's the thing they were essentially making filthy rich and cat-flop by the time this came out.

[SPEAKER_10]: That's right, when I was eight, seven, it came out, wasn't it?

[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, so that's what they would do.

[SPEAKER_10]: But there you go, no, no, they'd left.

[SPEAKER_10]: Well, that's the character's mind, because obviously, you know, every Canadian role is fair, and variations on them.

[SPEAKER_10]: I love that, and that's for another show, maybe, but I really love the original character.

[SPEAKER_10]: I've got a lot of time for it.

[SPEAKER_09]: I did as well, I think it's a very underrated show.

[SPEAKER_09]: I also do like that in this, because again, it's something that only happens to spin off media.

[SPEAKER_09]: Mike gets more of a presence than people are [SPEAKER_09]: generally willing to afford him there's always this idea that Mike was, you know, the one that didn't really matter and wasn't funny.

[SPEAKER_09]: I was loved by him too.

[SPEAKER_09]: Anything that brought additional Chris Ryan into it was all right with me.

[SPEAKER_09]: And though it's a satisfaction graphic, it's not Chris Ryan, but you know what I mean.

[SPEAKER_10]: It's make sense with media because Chris, because Mike's a character, so they have to have lots [SPEAKER_10]: And yeah, she's that's all I could remember obviously but you gotta you might gotta find these she's right that's really good point.

[SPEAKER_10]: I've never thought about it.

[SPEAKER_10]: Why are you moving out?

[SPEAKER_09]: I cannot figure out not only so that reason for them to they would not be able to they would not have money to move anywhere else.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's only because the Blossom family is so useless that's still there [SPEAKER_09]: And Balovsky's not in it.

[SPEAKER_09]: No, he's not in the game.

[SPEAKER_10]: That was a way down to it.

[SPEAKER_10]: Maybe Lepsie still owns the race to that he probably does, doesn't he?

[SPEAKER_10]: The intellectual race to the Balovsky family then, that'll be it.

[SPEAKER_09]: Maybe he was publicly came based on the Lepsie's style pirate video, or a great bus journey to the world.

[SPEAKER_09]: But again, I mean, tying it right back to your first choice.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think one of the reasons that people took to the young one so much.

[SPEAKER_09]: You know, apart from obviously finding it funny and outrageous and so on, what's that?

[SPEAKER_09]: They were all doing other things because they just happened to be in the sitcom together.

[SPEAKER_09]: You know, you got a Lexi sail being really funny on other programs.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I just played the doing, and that was a little bit like a Nicholas Craig.

[SPEAKER_09]: It makes me really happy Nicholas Craig's been so forgotten because, oh, he's amazing.

[SPEAKER_09]: So funny.

[SPEAKER_10]: It's absolutely weird.

[SPEAKER_10]: You know, I was just forgotten.

[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, another cleaner project that he didn't just act in the young one.

[SPEAKER_10]: would buy anything.

[SPEAKER_10]: So I've got the soundtrack to roll over Beethoven where Nigel Plain and plays a rock star are living in a big country mansion.

[SPEAKER_10]: That's all I remember about it.

[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, now this is going to be our young ones, complete us.

[SPEAKER_10]: I'm going to go and dig out the roll over Beethoven.

[SPEAKER_10]: So he must, because he's obviously he's a musician.

[SPEAKER_10]: So he must sing on it, must sing in play.

[SPEAKER_10]: In fact, he probably did the theme tune right.

[SPEAKER_10]: He must.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think he did, but I mean, you talk about your one's completest.

[SPEAKER_09]: Nearly everything is out there.

[SPEAKER_09]: You can even find their repair and so on.

[SPEAKER_09]: There was a pre-cert video called Too Hot to Handle, which I think was a film of a charity show where they build as the bastard squad singing my generation.

[SPEAKER_09]: And you can find things like that on YouTube, the one rather than the two elusive things that I remember hearing at the time.

[SPEAKER_09]: I mentioned in front of one, my book about comedy on radio, and I've never found recordings of where [SPEAKER_09]: Because they were quite often on radio, what?

[SPEAKER_09]: Neal was a guest on Lennie Hemmyshow and he insisted on bringing a record with it.

[SPEAKER_09]: It was an incredible string band album and it was scratched.

[SPEAKER_09]: So Lennie had to take it off and can you guess what Neal had judged that to be heavy?

[SPEAKER_09]: But the other was they used to be a magazine show on Saturday afternoon.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's called Saturday Live.

[SPEAKER_09]: Always have people like Ben Elton on.

[SPEAKER_09]: Basically it was like cube on the radio.

[SPEAKER_09]: But they had a lot of comedians involved giving their opinions on musical, whatever.

[SPEAKER_09]: One week they had nail and get this nail and mic.

[SPEAKER_10]: In character.

[SPEAKER_09]: In character and that's never turned up anywhere.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I would love that too.

[SPEAKER_10]: I would love to have missed all that detail.

[SPEAKER_09]: So if you could have had the computer game made of any of your four other choices, which would it be?

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, the return of Bruno obviously.

[SPEAKER_09]: Would that be a platform game or a text adventure?

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, it's a platform game.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, I want it to the text adventure.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I know you pick up that robotic, uh...

You see some pale bulb aside, there we go.

[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, no, a platform game is the navigator's way through with the record industry.

[SPEAKER_09]: It certainly does.

[SPEAKER_09]: Paul, it's been brilliant.

[SPEAKER_09]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_10]: Thank you so much, David.

[SPEAKER_02]: You'll be sunshine after rain.

[SPEAKER_02]: These things are always been the same.

[SPEAKER_02]: So why we're in love?

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[SPEAKER_07]: On another occasion, Lenin Soranoll's circus poster.

[SPEAKER_07]: It became the inspiration for his song, the old circus poster.

[SPEAKER_04]: The evening sounds extremely dull, so my hands bend, and I miss your luck, your just house.