[SPEAKER_01]: This is Cynthia Gannoff and you are listening to the mesmerized podcast.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, friends, welcome to the podcast.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's October and man, I can't get enough this month.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I say it every single week, but yeah, my favorite month, it's my birthday month, it's Mike's birthday month, it's Halloween, and it's the State Fair of Texas.

[SPEAKER_01]: And right now, as I'm taping this intro, it's about 730 at night, and I spent the entire day at the State Fair.

[SPEAKER_01]: And my feet are on fire from walking so much, but my goodness, did we have fun?

[SPEAKER_01]: Because you know what we did?

[SPEAKER_01]: We went and saw the better sculpture.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when you can sculpt something out of butter, does it get better than that?

[SPEAKER_01]: That's fantastic.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we walked around and we went to that nasty petting zoo thing where they have all the animals out.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you pay five bucks for the cup of feed and they're not hungry.

[SPEAKER_01]: They don't want it, but your kids are going to shove it in their face anyway.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we did.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes they get a little feisty those animals and they eat the whole cup.

[SPEAKER_01]: So there's that and then you look over and your kids like looking as finger or something.

[SPEAKER_01]: You, you were a little busy once to die.

[SPEAKER_01]: We did it.

[SPEAKER_01]: We did it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And let me tell you what else.

[SPEAKER_01]: We had to make some decisions.

[SPEAKER_01]: Some decisions had to be made on who's going to have to ride the crazy mouse roller coaster thing with our kids.

[SPEAKER_01]: Me or my friend, because one of them isn't tall enough.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so I won.

[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have to ride thankfully this time.

[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, that a flutcher's corny dog.

[SPEAKER_01]: My goodness the corn dog.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I never really crave a corn dog, but once a year you got to do it, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: The funnel cake, all the things we did it all today.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now there was a little miss happen we're leaving in that Mike met us there and we ended up leaving with him writing home with him and we went out and exit a different exit than when he had come in.

[SPEAKER_01]: And about 20, 30 minutes later, in a couple more miles of walking, we finally found his car.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that was a whole, that was a whole exciting moment.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then on the way home, we missed the exit to our house, not sure how that happened.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so we put another 20 minutes on that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so it was a full day, everyone.

[SPEAKER_01]: But a good day.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so I hope you are enjoying fall.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm ready to rest.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll tell you what, you guys, let's talk rest.

[SPEAKER_01]: Kristy Nockles is on this show today.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the first time I ever heard Christine Nockles like really heard experience, watched her lead worship was at an if-gathering here in Dallas several years ago, and I was just so moved by the way she leads worship.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I fell in love with her music, and so any time I get a chance to visit with her, I love to do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And today, we are going to chat with her and we're going to talk about one of our kiddos getting married.

[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about that last week with Candice Cameron as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about all the weddings.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to talk a little bit about weddings.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk about kids growing up and [SPEAKER_01]: Going and living their lives, and we are going to talk about what is it really look like to rest.

[SPEAKER_01]: The title of her new album is The King Who Never Sleeps, Anthems For Rest, and I'm excited for you to hear from her today, be sure, and check out her new album, and all her music.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is so, god-honoring, and worshipful, and restful.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I love that, especially after a long day at the fair.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, here we go today, kick an offer interview with Christine Nockles.

[SPEAKER_01]: Kristy knockles.

[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to the show.

[SPEAKER_01]: How are you?

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I am doing good.

[SPEAKER_01]: I am so glad to be back.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I always love getting chat with you.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like when I've told me from wrong on this and if I'm wrong, it's going to be really embarrassing, but I'm pretty sure it's you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't you usually podcast from your dad's church or like, is that right?

[SPEAKER_01]: I did for a season.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just remember that.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was always real sweet.

[SPEAKER_01]: That was always like, I wonder where she is.

[SPEAKER_01]: And one time you told me, you're like, I just get in my dad's church.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, that's really sweet.

[SPEAKER_01]: But you're not there.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're not there today.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're not there tonight.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just in my dining room today.

[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, my dad actually retired from that church.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then now it's funny.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's actually helping pastor and other church now.

[SPEAKER_00]: But.

[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, that was a sweet season.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Tell us where you are in life now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Your kid is especially, how's everybody doing?

[SPEAKER_00]: How old is everybody the thing?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: OK, so Noah is, he's our oldest.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's 25, and he is engaged to be married.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we have a wedding coming up in October, which is just hard to even believe.

[SPEAKER_00]: the sweet gal he's marrying, they haven't known each other since they were eight, but never like liked each other until they're 20s and they reconnected at wedding and so we've known her family for years and years.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we are just beyond excited about that and then our middle, Eliana, she is 22 and she lives not with us but she lives in Franklin so we're happy [SPEAKER_00]: and then our youngest Annie Rose just turned 18 and she just graduated from high school.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, is she headed off to college or somewhere else next year?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, okay, so she was, and she was headed to Texas and she was actually gonna try to get into school and Texas and do hospitality, kind of in the sports world and stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: But she's had this really like big shift [SPEAKER_00]: so happy about.

[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, it was a bit of an about face.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we're all we're adjusting.

[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, I'm secretly glad she's not moving 14 hours away.

[SPEAKER_00]: but it's still an adjustment of like, okay, so what are we doing this fall in?

[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, okay, well as a girl, he's in Texas and Dallas, and I, we would have loved to have had her, but I asked that question because I also have one that is graduated from high school, so I have one that graduated from college and then went from high school both this year and then a third grader.

[SPEAKER_01]: But my college one leaves in two weeks, and I know you feel this even with the shift of plans.

[SPEAKER_01]: So great and you're so excited and what a blessing to get to raise them and get to this stage with them healthy and happy and all those things But yet there's that sense of mourning too because it's a shift, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Are you still feeling that or are you just frustrated that you have no idea where we're headed next?

[SPEAKER_00]: Totally, it was like, I had already cried about it several times, but, um, so it has been a little bit of like it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: What's happening?

[SPEAKER_00]: But, um, yeah, I have, oh my goodness, just, you know, we just helped, uh, Eliana move out the spring.

[SPEAKER_00]: And while, like you're saying, while I am elated for her, I'm so excited and it was the dream for her to, [SPEAKER_00]: Um, it was actually the dream to get to live alone.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what she wanted to do.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, I think I'm a much better friend if I'm just like, get to live alone like a little granny.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's what she does.

[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, it is like, like you're saying it is that, um, you're holding both of those things.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, [SPEAKER_00]: You're grieving and it's just a hard, hard thing to let go.

[SPEAKER_00]: But there is so much sweetness also in the letting go.

[SPEAKER_00]: It really is that bittersweet thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, we're just in the middle of you're working through it, but yeah, yeah, my son was sitting in my office last night.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was late.

[SPEAKER_01]: He got home not late like like 10 30 and he sat down to ask me a question and I was working on a book that's could do and and I just like tears are written in my face.

[SPEAKER_01]: I go, I'm going to miss you so much and he was like, okay on that note.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna go to bed.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I think it's best for everybody.

[SPEAKER_01]: You should go to bed, but it is just holding things loosely.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're talking out one getting married in that, so I have to comment on that too.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've been to like, I'm on the wedding circuit, which I'm sure you're on, because not, I just now have a daughter old enough where all her friends are getting married.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so you go to all the weddings, and you don't have the clothes.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you don't understand now, because they tell you guys, if you don't have, if you're on the wedding circuit, then you need to...

[SPEAKER_01]: clue in people.

[SPEAKER_01]: They have websites and they tell you what to wear and don't you mess that up?

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what I'm talking out?

[SPEAKER_01]: Are they doing that in Tennessee?

[SPEAKER_01]: Because they're doing it in Texas.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean Texas is probably a little bit more like a full on thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can see that.

[SPEAKER_00]: extra.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're like being read, but they're like, where colorful or no short dresses or black tie optional?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is it every wedding black tie optional, Christian?

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I mean, they're going to wear something nicer.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

[SPEAKER_00]: It really is a thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: And where Noah is getting married is in dripping springs.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like called the wedding capital Texas.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so like, yeah, that's a whole, that's a whole thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's married a Texas girl.

[SPEAKER_00]: He is.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so looking for even just venues for the rehearsal dinner, we've just been like, I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what's the price?

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know, and they get married in this venues and the other night where it one of my daughter was like, okay, I just need you to be honest mom, are you going to be disappointed if I don't get married in church?

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, Kate, I just want you to marry someone that loves the Lord.

[SPEAKER_01]: And like, I think he took on our marriage, whether it's a venue or in a church or whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: But here's what I will have you know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand why the only people who get to speak at the reception are the father of the bride.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, where's the mother of the bride?

[SPEAKER_01]: Where's the mother of the groom?

[SPEAKER_01]: What's happening at these weddings?

[SPEAKER_01]: Are we still in the 1800s?

[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, you're exactly why we don't give a mic to the mother of the bride.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, thank you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, Kristi.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a whole thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be praying.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be praying the Lord's piece over you during this.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's talk about something I've read on your Instagram and by the way everyone.

[SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about this in the intro.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll have a link to where she has out a law-alibi album, a second-line king who never sleeps anthems for rest.

[SPEAKER_01]: And nobody loves kissing alcohol stuff like I love kissing alcohol stuff and we're so we're gonna talk about that But as we start talking at rest, I want to first talk to you about something leading into that that you wrote on Instagram I think I read it and you were just encouraging people to continue to adventure with God And you said I'm quoting and I'm reading a quote put all on the line when it comes to what you know that he has called you to do put it all on the line And I was thinking about that [SPEAKER_01]: And I would love for you to speak into that, challenging us to do that, and then a minute we're going to talk out rest, and what's the juxtaposition between those two?

[SPEAKER_01]: But why is that something you're passionate about is just encouraging women or people in general just to chase after the God things with all your mind?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think especially because often it's those things that we're just living in a culture that doesn't celebrate those things, you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_00]: And so just encouraging people that often it is, I think in that same post it's kind of like, [SPEAKER_00]: You've put it all in the line and sometimes you're just like, you're about to set sail.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think is what I was saying, kind of, using that analogy of like, yeah, I'm going to venture with you, God, and you've shown up before.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm trusting that you'll show up again, but it's often when you're about to just like, sell that you're just like seriously, though, God, are you here?

[SPEAKER_00]: But trusting, you know, and I think what I ended up saying was just like, he's the boat.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's the water.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's all of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: when we're living from that posture of rest and that posture of trust and obedience, which goes all that goes hand in hand with rest.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so yeah, I think it was like, at the, you know, we were making this new, let alone by album.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, we, as I was writing that post, I was thinking about how, you know, 10 years ago, we really did, we left the big thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like we left, you know, with passion conferences for 20 years and that was a huge part [SPEAKER_00]: our career and ministry and life and we're relating worship and arenas and kind of what got into that you know has called us to it looks like small in a lot of ways it looks like at least a lot smaller than that and so sometimes even that can feel a little bit discouraging to us right when it's like what you've called me to the pills a little you know less celebrated less visible it kind of feels hidden right now [SPEAKER_00]: It's often those things that just it's like wells like it's like we end up being able to you know not to switch analogies, but just like digging deep wells and and being a part of really deep work that God wants to do in and through us, you know, with the world around us.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I've been through with them and and trust him and he has so much worse even when it doesn't look like, you know, what the world celebrates.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right, I thought, well, I just think that's, that was an important word to encourage people to go after those things and and I was thinking about when when you let's go go back to you when you were doing the passion conferences and all the big rain isn't all that I think sometimes in the midst of those moments you question yourself because I mean I don't know did you have, did you have nerves when you were doing that did you have feel like chaos was surround like I feel like whenever I've had something big the Lord's called me into doing and [SPEAKER_01]: I'm nervous.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel inadequate and a lot search crumbling around me and that makes me think, well, if I wouldn't have done this, then, you know, my home life would be more stable.

[SPEAKER_01]: Or what, talk to us a little bit about how, you know, that the outside doesn't always point to what God's heart is for a still, even in the midst of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, totally.

[SPEAKER_00]: I remember, you know, like me a part of what actually most of what I read about in my book, I wrote The Life You Long For Learned, [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the picture that I ended up using and that was actually just a visual that the word gave me of a bull's eye and concentric circles.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, because I think a lot of times, and this is where I was at that point in my life when God really started pursuing my heart and a deep and profound way when I had little, so I had little kids at home.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it was like I was just running ragged in that outer rings of my life.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you look at it like a target sign, [SPEAKER_00]: And all the stuff like you're saying is kind of just the outside things that can be noisy and and you know or just yeah kind of like you were saying just you're getting anxious or you know nervous about it and all this stuff and the word was just calling me to this place which I now know that bullseye.

[SPEAKER_00]: is really like his presence with us on the daily like in the ordinary like just he's like Chris you feel just hit the bullseye with me if you'll come to this place of like hidden rest in me if you'll just hit the bullseye I will actually show up in all the outerings of your life [SPEAKER_00]: and I'll do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like that verse says he who calls us as faithful and he will do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's maybe first verse that's Lenny's, but could be wrong on that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's where it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, people, it's fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he who calls us as faithful and he will do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like he will show up in those outer rings when we're trusting him.

[SPEAKER_00]: And also, I think about Ephesians 210, it's like where his workmanship.

[SPEAKER_00]: We were created in Christ Jesus to do good works that were prepared in advance for us.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so I like to think that hitting that bullseye with God.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that just for me, that just even if I only have 10 minutes and a day or 15 minutes, sitting with him, stealing my heart before him, trusting him and like concentrating my heart to him every day and just saying, like, I belong to you God, I don't belong to me.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then it's like we get to go out into the outerings of our life and walking into those things that he's prepared in advance for us.

[SPEAKER_00]: when we're walking with him and from him rather than just for him, you know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, if we as if we haven't used enough analogy, I'm gonna throw another one in, but as I'm envisioning you, yeah, you throw, you know, a stone and a pond.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then, I mean, if you hit the bullseye, I'm saying with the Lord.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then it, it, it, it ripples all the way out to all the other things.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Which is why love that you talk so much about rest.

[SPEAKER_01]: and the importance of rest.

[SPEAKER_01]: Only a girl who ran herself ragged probably and didn't experience rest can write a book on the rest.

[SPEAKER_01]: I say this all the time, as someone is writing books.

[SPEAKER_01]: You only write the books, typically, of where you totally got it wrong, or that's where it kind of had to rattle your chain of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, talk to us about rest.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you're right.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was, you know, I was just the [SPEAKER_00]: biggest striver of them all.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's because I honestly because I was race in the church.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I came out of a beautiful church background, but I think it was like, I need to do all these things for God, you know, and so it's often church culture even that can get us in a place of striving and feeling like we've got to do all these things for God, [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's one thing that I always say that I'm most grateful for is that he came after my heart and that season because I, it is because I, I believe it's what caused there to be like sustainability and longevity in my life because I would have burn out by now, you know, you know, had he not got a hold of me and living from that place of like a sole risk, not necessarily, you know, we do need a Sabbath, we need that physical rest, we need to [SPEAKER_00]: to actually like cease from working.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I believe that rest can still be present.

[SPEAKER_00]: We can work from a place of rest.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we can sometimes even be go in like, you know, pedal to the metal a little bit because sometimes that is what God is prepared in advance.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like some seasons, it is like we are gonna work hard but we can still do that from this place [SPEAKER_00]: of soul arrest.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it really does come back to that every day.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love to think just, you know, his, his presence really is.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that, you know, I mean by his presence, I just mean like like sitting with him, breathing is word, you know, speaking, [SPEAKER_00]: truth over our own lives, speaking it out over our kids over our families, that place like his presence is planned for us in the ordinary mundane days, the day-to-day life.

[SPEAKER_00]: And for me, that has been what has just like caused that posture of rest to just be sustainable.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like I figured it out, but it's just what I keep going back to.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know where to return to, and it's that place at rest.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so like on, if I'm just going to get brutally practical with you on a day, let's say where you have a lot of performances coming up, and you're trying to prep for that, maybe you're riding something, you're always riding.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you're riding things, you need to, you know, wedding plan.

[SPEAKER_01]: You need like, those guys, what does rest look like in the midst of what others might call chaos?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I definitely sit in the mornings just I sit with God, you know, I spent a lot of years kind of jumping to the to do list, but sometimes even I find it so sweet like even in that process of just like sitting with the Lord I have like my to do list right here actually I'm just picked up the pencil but like I will even ride out my to do list while I'm like sitting with the Lord.

[SPEAKER_00]: And there's something about, you know, as women it's like we compartmentalize or we can't compartmentalize it's all one thing and so to me I can't compartmentalize my time with God, you know, but I can like also just take my to do list and go like Lord I'm going to write all of this out with you right here and I need you to show me the things that can white, you know, I need you to show me I need you to give me the strength to do this today.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but like basically, I just, I consecrate all of this to you today.

[SPEAKER_00]: I consecrate what I'm about to write to you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, a lot of times before I'm like, you know, I scripted my podcast and so every time I sit down and write it, I'm like, God, I consecrate this time to you.

[SPEAKER_00]: I consecrate this podcast to you and invite you into it, you know?

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that, like, rather than barreling through it, which [SPEAKER_00]: Let's face it, getting stuff done, like sometimes it's just we all know it feels good and it's like, okay, to just mark things off the list as is women.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like that's we all know that just feels good.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I think there's something in like choosing that rest and choosing to slow my pace, choosing to invite God into it, like that just changes everything for me because.

[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of times I'll bear it through the whole to-do list, and then it's like, okay, what else I got, and it's just like you can get to that place where you just don't stop.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think just bringing it all in and putting and laying it all before him, like I said, and not, you know, compartmentalizing, but just going like all of this Lord belongs to you and I bring it all underneath your rule and rain, and I need you to come and help me like [SPEAKER_00]: my day and to you and my to-do list.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that just always, you know, postures me for rest in the morning when I start my day.

[SPEAKER_00]: So.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's really helpful because again, I also grew up in amazing church, amazing Christian home.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think, you know, you grew up with certain, I don't know if their lies per se, but things you believe that you've taken from it that aren't necessarily that anything anybody would tell me, but like one of those that you're talking at is that you a quiet time looks a certain way every day.

[SPEAKER_01]: in the extreme quiet first thing in the morning like don't be trying to do that at noon what in the world no first thing in the morning and you're going to read like three things and pray and I love that you're speaking to because I've had to figure this out over the years being an achiever as well that the Lord once part of all that I'm doing and all it's on my mind and so a lot I mean in a best case scenario there is that time just every morning alone with the Lord in the word and whether sometimes with a checking off a tulis yes but then you know [SPEAKER_01]: I just turn off the headphones and walk with him or in the car and I'd say, you know, I'm a carpal I'm turning off the radio and just finding those moments of connection.

[SPEAKER_01]: They were still count and I feel like I needed someone to tell me that still counts and that is still rest for my soul.

[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas I felt like if I didn't follow a formula then I wasn't [SPEAKER_01]: honoring the Lord.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's a bigger picture that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So here you say that I think I hope very helpful to people.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Anthems for rest.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let me tell you about the word anthem.

[SPEAKER_01]: As a girl, I just wrote a book.

[SPEAKER_01]: I literally, I thought about pulling out my notes because I write notes.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure you did too because you write a lot.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've jotted notes everywhere.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I pick words I like too.

[SPEAKER_01]: And anthem is a word I have written down.

[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't use it in this last book, but I'm like, everyone needs an anthem.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what a great word.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I, when I was looking at yourself, I'm like, ah, Anthem's for rest.

[SPEAKER_01]: So tell us just about the lollabies.

[SPEAKER_01]: Are these for kids?

[SPEAKER_01]: Are these for adults?

[SPEAKER_01]: A little bit of everybody and the name.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, as well.

[SPEAKER_00]: Our first little by album that we really just called Be Held, lollabies for the beloved.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we found that a lot of people.

[SPEAKER_00]: never listened to it because you know a lot of people did actually that album was the most successful album we've ever like who even knew that that was going to happen so sweet but it's like you know these shared just shared listening experience for families and so yes it's for all ages [SPEAKER_00]: And in fact, it's mostly adult to end up telling us like, I love it just for me, but there were a lot of people like we felt like the word lullaby kind of like deterred them a little bit because it's like, well, I don't have kids or you know, I don't know if that's for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so this time when we were like, okay, we feel like these are declarations or almost like, you know, I know proclamation is a big word, but it's like like an anthem for your life or the reasons [SPEAKER_00]: the declarations and the reasons and the anthems that we have to rest.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so this particular album, I feel like if the first one had a theme, it was about like that, you know, peace in the middle of the storm.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like Jesus saying peace be still over the storms of our life.

[SPEAKER_00]: If this new, uh, lullaby album had a theme, King and ever sleeps, it's like we can rest because of our King and our place and his kingdom.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think about Colossians and it talks about being transferred from the realm of darkness to the kingdom of light and the kingdom of the Sonny loves.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's why even just the artwork is a crest or a coat of arms because I wanted kids and families to just have that sense of belonging to God's kingdom and God's people have anthems.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like we've had hymns that go all the way back to the [SPEAKER_00]: the whole, you know, 150 of them in the middle of the word of God, you know, these, these, hymns and Psalms and anthems that connect us like all the way back to, you know, Israel.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's, it's, it's so beautiful for families, I think, and for just, [SPEAKER_00]: These have been a healing bomb to my own soul, even writing these songs.

[SPEAKER_00]: These have been anthems through grieving the death of my mom, and grieving just our kids leave flying the nest, see those.

[SPEAKER_00]: So these have been really precious songs for me just on a personal level, but we have just been saying that we pray that they bring peace and praise into [SPEAKER_00]: in the crazy times that we are living in.

[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I love it because I think we all need those things to kind of help us take it down and not you know, I'm just being totally vulnerable.

[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm willing to, if I'm laying a bed and can't sleep, I'm going to turn on sign-filled.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, my gosh.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I love sign-filled everyone, okay?

[SPEAKER_01]: I really enjoy it.

[SPEAKER_01]: But, [SPEAKER_01]: We all have these things we built in, whether that's scrolling and which I, you know, are presumably not really rest, but the things we do to kind of breed rest.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love that you're giving us something that's, that's gots truth.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a word that's a way, just whether that's in the car, where you have, you play these and thems, or whether it's a night as you're going to bed and your headphones, or whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I just think that it's such a, [SPEAKER_01]: It's a, it's a God given God honoring way to produce rest in our soul, like you're talking about.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you said, I don't know if I heard you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe on.

[SPEAKER_01]: with Sissy and David on their podcast, say something about that someone sent a video or something that they're like little to your older something was going to go to sleep in the car scene was demanding your music and how you're like I've made it.

[SPEAKER_01]: If someone trusts me and a little kiddo can sleep to it then I've made it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like well that isn't like that's a beautiful way to look at it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wish I could I need to ask them to send out my bucket post that because it is the sweetest thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's truly probably two-and-a-half, and she says, her mom says, what did you ask me to play?

[SPEAKER_00]: And she was like, twisty knuckles.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then she has this big chick flick up, and she's taken drinks, and her mom said, is it because you want to get a sleep?

[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, uh-huh, the little cup of her face.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I truly was just like, it brought tears on my eyes with the thought, how precious.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just to know that you get to be a part [SPEAKER_00]: kids resting and filling a sense of peace in this world.

[SPEAKER_00]: that they would request that truly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm like, I made it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, never mind.

[SPEAKER_01]: Never in passion or if gathering or all the other things.

[SPEAKER_01]: My goodness.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, nobody asked me to help with endorsement deals.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like you and Chick-fil-I should get to know this.

[SPEAKER_01]: We got something going here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Did I also hear a read or something about, like, as this released, it was just chaotic.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, amongst the release of anything, I feel like, I said this when my first book came out.

[SPEAKER_01]: Everything that I wrote about, I had to live the first three months that book came out and I had so many people say yeah, that's the reality of it And I was like, well, I'm never writing a book on, you know, I wrote my first life as messy God is good I'm like, well, from here on out, it's only, I'm only writing books about like, you know, prosperity And fortune and I don't know I shall never write a sincere and honest book about hardship again But talk to us about releasing this as it just one of those times it was difficult and [SPEAKER_01]: having to live out in your faith in the midst of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, absolutely.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, just like you just said, it's like, usually it's either on the front end or the back end.

[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I do, every time I release something, I'm like, Lord, I trust you, that you are worthy Jesus, you know, you're worthy.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so whatever is that you're calling me to do, calling me to share, [SPEAKER_00]: and you asked me to share it, and so I trust you.

[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I mean, it kind of was like a couple weeks went by and it was just kind of like, okay, we made it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I'm like, everything, everybody's intact, it felt, you know.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then it's like the storm hit and when it hit, it was like layers and layers are like a squall line.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it just, and then another squall line came.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then it was like the tail end of that.

[SPEAKER_00]: we're just kind of going like this and then it was like I lost my dog of 11 years who I absolutely adored and that I know is like it's frivolous compared to the other things that we were facing but and I know dogs aren't frivolous like they're they're also got creatures but it just felt like [SPEAKER_01]: Really?

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the dog that happened with my first book, by the way, too, we had to put our dog to sleep.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, even the dog, I know it's the worst.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it is, like, it feels, it's true that, and it's that way for all of us.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, whether you write books or not, it's costly to live the truth, you know, and to share the truth and, um, may I just keep coming back around, you know, the other day, [SPEAKER_00]: Just kind of sitting up in my bed in the morning and I was, you know, we were just like, I was like okay, Lord, it was right.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was like the morning after George had died and I thought about the old rich mal and song.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God, you are my God.

[SPEAKER_00]: I will ever praise you.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's called sometimes by step.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like sometimes the night is beautiful.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I just sat and listened to that in my bed and I just sang along with him like, Oh, God, you are my God.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I will ever praise you.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've just, man, you really learned about like the sacrifice of praise in these moments where it's just like I do not feel like this, but I choose it and I just choose to [SPEAKER_00]: to just sing it out today that you are my god and I know what we're pretty to use.

[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I actually love that song and I love that your old school enough to go to rich moments with me.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yes, I feel like we just had a moment and I feel like a third of the people are still with us and everybody else is like, who wears he and he's passed away, everybody.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it's fine.

[SPEAKER_01]: His music has with stick was still the festive time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's end with this.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have three questions I'm trying to say which one I wanted to ask you about now that you have a kiddos, like you're kind of everyone's kind of adulting and going to the real lives, I guess I'll ask you this one.

[SPEAKER_01]: What do you hope your kids will say one day about your faith or just the faith of your home?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh wow, definitely just that it was real and authentic [SPEAKER_00]: Just because this is what we're supposed to do, but just from a true place of not only like loving Jesus, but wanting to exalt Jesus and produce to be glorified in everything that we do.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I just, I pray that they've felt invited into what we do.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's something to that God clued me in on a long time ago of like, [SPEAKER_00]: if you don't slow down, but also invite them into what you're doing.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so I hope that they also have, you know, when they're older, that they look back and go, we were invited, you know, it wasn't like Mom and Dad had this career in this ministry and they were, you know, doing all of these like important things or whatever, but more than it's like, you know, we were invited into it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just this morning I led at a thing that, you know, was about 40 ladies.

[SPEAKER_00]: at a book launch for a friend and Annie led with me, our youngest, and I really just honestly would have just let her lead the whole thing, but it's just a beautiful thing to invite your kids and just to kind of scoot over on the platform and let your kids learn and let them, you know, just [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, workout, they're gifting alongside you.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so I hope that that's something that's in his well.

[SPEAKER_01]: So well, that is a huge encouragement.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I just, if you have younger kids, just now in the midst of your hearing Christie said, I've lived it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, even doing foster care and thinking, are we ruining our biological kids?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they're walking some hard roads.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, is this all going to come collapsing down?

[SPEAKER_01]: And now on the other side of it, seeing that they are, they know the Lord differently because they were like you're saying, invited into walk, the thing is that the Lord call us to do.

[SPEAKER_01]: and sometimes they're big and sometimes they're small and most of the time they're messy and hard.

[SPEAKER_00]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the Lord is so good to walk us through it.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, all right, Kristinaoke, I'm a huge fan.

[SPEAKER_01]: I am, guys, I'm going to, again, I'll have an intro to Altreau and we will link it Anthems for Rest.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't know that Kristi Rockles, Kristi Rockles, Rockles, Rockles.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you really know where you go with Rockles.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, she has a podcast course in the mundane and your book is called, I just written right here, but I can't find it, tell us again your book name.

[SPEAKER_01]: The lack you long for, actually, to live on my art of rest.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the lack you look.

[SPEAKER_01]: So all the, all the things.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for coming here.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for coming.

[SPEAKER_00]: So good to see you.

[SPEAKER_00]: You too.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right, a big thanks to Kristi Nockles for being here today, and I am officially going to go kick up my feet after a long day at the State Fair of Texas, and I'm just thankful for your guys being here.

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