Get into Gate episode two hundred and eighty six, Stop and Stargate Atlantis.

Mitch and Maddie.

Here was up Hey going over there, buddy.

This is different.

This is different.

We're out of the studio.

I mean we've been out of the studio before, in the Quarantine Times where we were all promote the Dark Times.

You know, we lost a member along the way, although he did miraculously return.

It's like it was like Jesus.

He came back for a for a one and done, and then we just seemingly await his return and again love your Reese.

No, we are remote from the studio, but in the same location.

And we're in my home studio aka my in law's bedroom, basically my spare room that belongs to my in laws when they.

Started with your in laws.

They're the only ones that have used it.

I mean my mom does occasionally, but you know I've thrown it open to link.

You know.

If he's up here and it's late and he says how tired he is, I'm like, bro, just stay here.

Not once I've been in this house.

Next week it'll be four years.

Never once stayed over, Like, do we stink that bad?

Are we?

That loud?

Are we that annoying?

Maybe he just knows your in laws of Chris and this and he just doesn't want to.

Deal with that's a great question whether they have.

Maybe there's some stank going on.

I feel like link of all people's ultra sensitive to that kind of thing.

He knows those little bit.

Are stag Yeah, I had not thought of that.

That's a great that's a great thought.

But I will have to share with my wife.

You know, here, I'm going, can can we sneak one in while they're here?

Like we're literally the opposite ends of the house right, Like we're at like the on the on the on the low on the ground level at the front of the house right now, and then my bedroom is on the second level at the very other end of the house.

And it's like, you know, it's a it's a lot.

It's not a square house.

It's it's a narrow house, right, So we couldn't be further away from each other, but still in the same house.

And I'm like, could we I never thought about the fact that maybe they were trying.

To Yeah, does it?

Does it count as swingers if it's you're in laws and you're not in the same room, but you're in the same house trying to crack on a session.

Please don't bring swingers into the Why would you do that?

Can foul?

Man.

I'm a happily single guy, so I don't know.

I don't know what still should be weird, still imagin anyway, So we're literally sitting on either side of the bed with some makeshift sort of studio equipment in between us.

Now at the moment, later we'll just meet in the middle and just crack on.

Well, at the moment, it feels like we've got, you know, a weird sort of you know, meet cute thing going on.

We're only looking at each other's eyes.

Well, that's like, say, of you, the attempt to sound proofing.

Yeah, back in the day when Brennan and I used to look at each other just just over the monitors.

Yeah, yeah, we just see from the nose.

Well, he hasn't been in the studio since we've had all those extra computer monitors removed.

Oh, he hasn't.

So if he was there, you guys be able to see each other in full base Oh my god, full face, full facial Yeah, and he has to pay for that usually, Yeah, but not anymore so again another another another Christ that we await his return.

We had talk in episode sixteen of season four of Atlantis, Trio, don't bring it up.

It's two So I was just that way.

I mean, who would we be?

Okay, Trio, we're in this situation.

And obviously the mackay.

I think he would like that.

Yeah, you would have to be Carter.

Okay, have you been well?

You right?

Okay?

I was the Carter of s in the STU one days you were Carter?

Does that make me?

Jill state what I might to j so cute?

What what Trio?

You and me just sitting there talk about what boys we think of you?

That's that's very close to reality, trying to take our tops off.

It's all really so real.

It is.

Wow.

We should we should remake it for papers.

We'll just remake it shot for shot for sure.

During an off World mission, Carter, McKay and Keller become trapped in an underground mining chamber that's rocked by fierce seismic tremas.

Written by Martin Guiro, directed by Martin.

Wood was known as Martin Squared.

Just looking at the commentary sort of like the credits here on the special features, and it says a commentary on Treo by co executive producer, thank you so much, slash writer Martin Guiro and then director, Oh okay, director slash supervising producer Martin Wood, and a man of Tapping.

I thought it was saying that Martin Wood was the director, which is and then a man of Tapping was a supervising producer.

What actually also speaking on the physical media on which we love and watch this beautiful show.

Look at the back of the season four e v D.

I'm just looking down the bottom www dot Stargate Atlantis DVD dot com.

Fair enough.

The next one underneath MySpace dot com forward slash TV on DVD au Wow, So you know, balling out.

That's a time capsule MySpace.

And physical media products of the two thousands.

Yeah, oh hang on, what do you think?

Yeah, weird one.

I mean, obviously it starts and very early on you see these three walking together and it's like, okay, they're gonna be It's it's them three.

And I'm remembering, oh, that's right, because I didn't look at what the episode was called, is yeap straight whack it on?

And I thought, oh, that's right.

Maddie had said that the next episode was going to be about these three and that's all I knew, so I'm open to it.

They're going to go visit somebody, a village that refused to leave their lands despite the fact there's a lot of sizemic activity.

They're at threat possibly of you know, becoming extinct.

H and our guys are going to go on and try to move them on because they need some freedom from some from some sarz make seismic activity if I can speak English, But yeah, McKay fell in a hole and then Keller and Carter fell in a hole, and I did not expect that to be the episode.

It's like, well, we're stuck here and we're not even cutting back to anybody else who's expecting them or anything like that.

It was just them in a hole having to problem solve, And like part of me was kind of just like, oh God, move on with it for a lot of it.

But at the same time, I was also like, well, you know what, this is a science based show.

We would like to see a lot of that.

Like occasionally we dive into some real like just sci fi battle sort of shit, and then other times we have the more dare I say, treky sort of elements where it's about the political, the social culture of a particular world and how we can integrate with them and how we kind of step on some eggshells.

But other times we just come barraging through the door and we want to help them, we want to let them do it themselves.

And this was one of those episodes where it's not about you know, shooting shit and blowing stuff up.

Obviously, we kind of got there towards the end using a makeshift you know, a rocket or whatever.

But yeah, I kind of had to respect this episode for being something so simple.

I mean, I don't know whether the set dressing would have, you know, cost a thousand dollar, hundred thousand dollars, you know, just for a couple of boxes and the CGI for the for the vast canyon out the red door or anything.

But otherwise it seemed like a very isolated episode, and like, hey, we're making this because we're trying to save budget for other things, or because we spent it on that full fledged battle a couple of episodes ago with the replicators.

So I don't know, I was a bit mixed.

Yeah, that's essentially what it was supposed to be.

It's got a very interesting backstory this episode.

It is I feel like a fan favorite.

I know Brendan spoke a lot about it.

He really does love this episode.

I'm fairly certain.

But yeah, basically so.

In the weird timey wimy situation of Stargate is this set is actually a reuse of the gimbaled set from Continuum, which the fandom hadn't seen yet at this point.

It came out at the end of this season, but it's the set of the Achilles that actually does gimbal and tilts, So when all the tilting was happening, that wasn't just a camera effect.

The whole set was tilting.

It was six feet off the ground, fully tilting.

So what it actually originally was is they had that gimbaled set from Continuum, and Martin Guiro said, Oh, don't get rid of that.

I'll write an episode to use around that.

So this was supposed to be a bottle show that was supposed to be very cheap because they had the gimbal set already, And then the more it got written, the more complicated it got because they had to factor in every single piece of set dressing, basically is the prop in the show as well, the amount of boxes that they had to climb on, the planks, the rope, you know, all those things had It was all very strategically done, and then they realized that the only way to get out of it was by going out and underneath, I think they were going to come up with a different way to do it or something like that.

Yeah, and obviously then all the CGI budget came in and all that kind of stuff, so it ended up being a much more complicated and a much more expensive episode than it originally planned to be.

Hmmm, yeah, I mean I don't hate I just I think, you know, like the last couple of episodes I watched all together and then coming into this one, it was just, i don't know, very different.

So it just threw me a little bit.

And I don't know, I can see what would be a favorite, especially if you are you know, obviously we love how these characters interact with each other.

I just found McKay being really like just fucking annoying, like borderline, like ourshole and more than it usually is at the start.

And it's funny the way that it ended, because at the start, I'm like you would have McKay do this if he's in love with with Keller and he doesn't know how to express it.

He's like a like literally a six or seven year old boy in the school yard, who you know, when you're that young, you mean to the girl that you like because you're trying to pretend like you I don't like her, you know, I don't want to play kissy with her, and I don't like her.

She's ugly and she smells funny or whatever you mean to these, to the to the girls, and then you grow up and you pretend like tree to me and keeping Keen is an actual thing.

And here he is.

That's exactly what he's doing.

And I'm like, what are you like?

Out of his way?

Like everything she said he questioned, and he made fun of and mocked and condescended her, and I'm like, dude, shut the like I was getting, like, even outside of a character level, I was actually getting annoyed at Giro, So that's you.

And I'm like, what are you doing?

Like where is this going?

Are you thinking that I'm laughing along with this because I laughed the first three, four, five, six, seven times he was a dick post that I'm just like, where's the where's the where's the punchline of this joke.

I'm actually pissed off watching it.

Is a little I mean to use the twenty twenty five ten and there's a little incel that at the end of this Keller finds it charming, like I mean, and in the same way that Katie, who he broke up with, you know last week the week before, found that that element of McKay charming, and they fact that Keller finds that kind of element of him charming as well is a little weird.

It is.

Yeah, I enjoy it because it does feel it kind of reminds me of Solitudes back in season one of s G one when Carter and O'Neil a trapped and on the quote unquote ice planet and they realize that it's you know, Antarctica.

Eventually it's it's that problem solving and what are we going to do with what we've got?

Yeah, it does feel like McKay's wet dream and that it's we had We had grace with Carter, we had grace under pressure with Carter and McKay, and now we've got ero grace and it's just McKay's wet dream where he's just stuck in there with with Keller and and Carter.

But yeah, you're right, he's very off putting and very very ikey.

And I think I might have even been in the audio commentary as well, or maybe in some trivia and it's like by modern sty No, I think it was in the audio commentary.

Some people had some issues with McKay encouraging the two women to expose themselves to children, and it was obviously played as a joke, like you know, they were never going to do it, like that's totally inappropriate, never going to do it, but just the idea.

I think one of the trivia pieces was like, this is the first time a regular Stargate member has encouraged someone to break the law, like make it do a crime or whatever.

And I do remember Carter sort of also Mada tapping in the commentary saying something about no, it was just it was played as fun and I think, yeah, Carter and Keller's reaction to it is what makes it funny, and is is what you can play it off as a joke in that they did like that McKay is so oblivious to think that that's I mean, yeah, ten year old boy, ten year o straight boys want to see boobs awesome.

Yeah, But just the fact that, yeah, like that he would think that two grown women would want to expose themselves to children to get out of this situation.

Yeah, two scientists, like, yeah, two scientists and superior in theonel in the military.

She's like, I think I can come up with better ways to solve this issue than you know, going full American flag on myself.

And I was thinking as well.

One thing I wanted to bring up, and I guess we'll just cover it briefly.

Here is the fact that there were so many times during this that he would talk to what's Keller's first name, It doesn't matter, let's just call it Jewel, right, And he says, Juli, you gotta do this because Sam I want you over here.

Like he doesn't refer to her as you know, colonel Carter.

He doesn't refer to her in any type of like hierarchy way.

He refers to her as an equal and just straight up like a shortened first name.

And I thought, you know what, I know that regardless of friendship and all that sort of stuff, And Craig would be able to speak to this if he was here for this podcast, being a former military guy.

Jennifer Keller.

Just so, Jennifer, you welcome, Holly you are is that.

It doesn't matter how friendly you are with somebody if you are on a mission or a uniform or god knows what else.

I don't know how far it would go.

You refer to that person by their rank or as sir, or as ma'am or miss or whatever it might be.

You do not refer to them as their first name, even if you used to be friends, or if you are still best friends.

If you're not an equal playing field, that's not a go.

But that she was cool enough with it, and also it was in a life or death situation.

It's kind of like, let's let's let's cut out the formalities, like let's just get on with it.

But yeah, I know, we're not afraid of going, let's twenty twenty five this, you know, and look at it with a modern day you know, cancible, you woke lens or something like that.

But I didn't think about that for one second watching that part of the episode, because I'm again, we're looking at it from a writing point of view, from a directing point of view from a tone of the show point of view, and even in a you know, a nostalgic you know, like throwback almost way, we're looking back something with modern eyes, rather than in story where these guys are going to die like they were on an alien planet.

No one knew that they were going to be in any kind of trouble until after they would have already been dead if they had to wait out the five hours until checkout time.

I'll check in time rather, And you know that he is literally throwing out any type of suggestion, and yeah, it's it's your boss, it's your co worker, it's professionals, these are scientists, these are people to be respected on many levels.

But at the same time, and he's like, hey, look these kids, like they see that we might not survive this, and they're like, yeah, but my mom might yell at me, my dad gets angry, so I'm not even going to save your life.

So the idea of him go on, oh show me your tits, I'm like, yeah, whatever, Like I don't mind that.

I'm glad she obviously turned him down and he deserved to be turned down.

But at the same time, like, yeah, I'm not at all bothered.

And even though that comment that you just read from Amanda Tapping might have been said in two thousand and eight or twenty twelve or something, and we are a fair bit on since then.

I kind of like that she said that because I kind of agree with that.

It's like, yeah, it was made as a joke almost on Rodney for being so you know, basic and shallow or something.

Yeah, I think the tone of it when he was that was the whole point.

Is it so absurd that someone would suggest that?

And I feel like Rodney is the only person that could get away with doing that.

Yeah, like you know, you know, can see Daniel Jackson suggest that, or Tilk suggests that, or Shepherd suggests that, or you know, bless his heart, Beckett, you know he's not gonna make those kind of suggestions.

I feel like Rodney is the only one to do that.

And on your point of with the whole the sath is, it's like, yeah, Rodney thinks he and Carter are much closer than they really because he had his grace under pressure moment with her, and he calls her Sam because they think he thinks they're friends.

She calls him Rodney because he's a civilian one, and he's he's a subordinate, so she can get away with calling him by his first name.

But yeah, he's you know, not one to call her.

But then again he's I don't know that he's ever called shepherd colonel.

I think he's always just gone with Johl or that's true like that, So he does get a pass with the the whole sort of being a civilian thing.

I just thought, you know, you might have been upset when when Carter, when Carter ruined what could have been your favorite moment with found rope.

I got a uh, you know, I got a little got a little bit middrif action, you know.

But I just even like she was like, yeah, okay, yeah, I'll take this off so that we can use that, And then even McKay was like, oh, even though I suggested it, I was kind of waiting for some kind of confirmation that I would have to give before I turn around and saw a bit of extra skiin or something.

I mean, I just even like the idea that like obviously rope or a climbing type a not even device prop you know, item would exist in many cultures and many different planners.

But the fact that it was still tired and looking like it was constructed and weaved in exactly the same way that you know rope on Earth is made.

I was like, ah, well it was denied they have our guns.

That's you know, that's true.

Maybe they'd never seen rope before us.

It's like, oh, this is good now.

Speaking on Amanda Tapping, she came to work in this episode.

Here we are going.

She's obviously got a you know, a secondary contract where she doesn't have to be there every episode.

She might only be there for half of them or two thirds of them, and a lot of those ones she's sitting behind the desk, she's walking from one control room to the to the gate room, whatever it might be.

She's not having to do a lot of physical work on location like she did for SG one.

No, no, no, it's like there.

It's almost like she's come in and said, hey, put me to work, Like can you just give me one action role, like one action episode for the season, one per season, for however long this goes on.

Because another thing that I liked about the whole here's a problem that we've got to solve.

We've got three brilliant minds or at least two brilliant like scientific minds, and then someone who's brilliant in the medical space and can think on things in a different level that maybe the other two can't.

We've got to fix some problems.

Is that their solutions kept failing.

Like it wasn't like, well, this worked, but it only brought another problem.

It was like no, no, no, that just didn't work, and you're running out of time and you consistently brought back to the to square one, you know, like I actually really like that.

And even when they know we've figured out the know, the the pub test, you know, the little challenge that Keller gave, and then they put the planks up and it was like, yeah, we're getting on in the episode.

This is going to have to work.

And there might still be some threat of it not working for some reason.

That's fine.

And then Nut she just fell for what the third time at that point, and just progressively got more and more injured, so that whole thing was there just so she could break her leg.

And I'm like, I've got to respect this episode for not just having them.

Well, you gotta fail once, you gotta fail twice.

But you know, in Hollywood, we like to deal in sets of threes, it's gonna work out really well, I don't know, Let's just keep them failing.

And they eventually had like the answer was there the whole time, just to go out the other way, and they had to find it by accident.

So yeah, I kind of I kind of dig that.

Yeah, you make a good point in that one.

Yeah, it's great that it's like they it's like they saved up all their card to days and it's like like like when like when Richard Anderson we only had limited days and stuff.

I feel like this made up for, you know, all the episodes that are Manda Tapping missed.

But yeah, you make a good point there where I feel like if you compare this to the start of the season, where when we're floating in space and it's like we solve a problem and another problem shows up and we solve that problem and another problem, and whereas this it was just each one failed.

Yeah, that's a really interesting Yeah, and given that they're you know, both Euro kind of episodes.

Yeah, it's kind of like the fact that it was just to fail and try something different, fail, try something different, fail, try something different.

Yeah, it was a quite interesting way to approach it I did like, and it's a it's a it's a very subtle blink and you'll miss it kind of reference.

But it's when the girls are tying the rope and Keller is starting to play the you know, would you rather or whatever she was saying when she was comparing the guys, you had to choose one.

If you notice, Carter always chose the older man.

Oh yeah too, yeah, yeah, she was always going for the slightly older, slightly more distinguished.

Well, I was waiting for an explanation when she said Brad pet or George Clooney or like, she's obviously going Clooney, and I wonder what she's going to say.

Is it going to be like, oh, silver fox, you know, I like an older looking guy, distinguished guy, something just to allude to to O'Neill, And that didn't happen.

But yeah, Paul Knewman and Robert reda fit.

I'm like, well, one, that's my mum's like dream scenario between them two.

But then Newman, oh, without question, And I'm like, how old was Paul Newman in two thousand and eight?

Like he might have died that year?

Probably there was however, a deleted scene between the two them might associate you in terms of what you were hoping for.

Are you seeing anyone?

What?

Yeah, on the base, so have you seen anyone?

Well, I kind of had a moment, guy, but it's kind of hard to read, so I guess the short answer is now.

You well on the bus, so I can't actually.

Write, of course, aiming back home, so spill it.

Well, it's complicated relationship.

That isn't kine.

But he's in Washington.

I'm here, long distance relationship.

Huh, it's going to retire soon, So who really retire?

Son?

Older man?

Huh, it's not that much older And see older man Washington, see a senator, somebody famous.

When I know him?

Probably not.

Wow yeah, wow, Like that's a that's a hell of a deleted scene.

Like that's a lot obviously for time I can understand.

But yeah, and I think that's why they cut it, because it was just too it was too much information.

But it's not just like throwaway dialogue, you know, like we don't need it.

But at the same time, like it's just not bold, but it's like, well, this is this is sort of fan Well, I mean when everyone's got that little spec elation and US fans just like to play around with the idea of things like I don't know that.

That just says a lot like that says again, it doesn't specify, but it's like, come on, how many more boxes do we need to tick?

Where if you're playing guests, who only was the last one left there?

Right?

And I did also telegraph the the Rodney thing at the end because at the start of the scene when you're watching it, when Carter asks are you seeing anybody?

And then are you seeing anything on the base, she looks over at Rodney.

Now like Carter knows that Keller's into Rodney at that point, yeah, right, And then Keller references she almost had a moment that's referring to the Ronan thing from a couple of weeks ago.

Yeah, I don't know if that.

Oh yeah, of course, even i'd forgot well, you know, i'd forgot about that because I still haven't watched the end of that episode.

Do you remember how I came into the podcast and i'd seen twenty five minutes.

That's that's going to go up there with the first one.

I promise I'll finished watching it.

That'll be our reunion episode.

We'll finish the pod and like five years later we'll come back.

Mitch finally watches the first ones again.

I've seen it, guys, but one hundred years ago.

Yeah, I'm not sure we can think.

I think we underneath to do that at the end of the end of Atlantis is run or the end of Universe is run.

Yeah, I think the complete podcast.

Yeah, yeah for sure.

Okay, so hey, look, you like what you like, and everyone can like different people for different reasons.

But within a couple of weeks there is like, hang on, what's going on here with the what is there a rona and that you could that makes sense?

You know, like two people similarish kind of age, like you know, like good looking people.

One of them looks like Jason Momoa, one of them like stage.

You can see that they would have beautiful children, you know, beautiful mix of their colors.

Like it'd be so great.

I like you saying, I will Carter sees that, this Carter sees it earlier.

I'm like, I still like that ended And she's like, yeah, you owe me a beer and he's like no, I don't.

I'm like, well, just say that you own the keg.

Because that was literally something that he said and that'll be it.

And she's like, I'm trying you to ask you for me beer and him going oh, and she said, you're really bad at this.

And until she said that line, I was like, wait, wait, hang on, what what's going on here?

I just thought she was like almost trying to do him a favor.

Yeah, and then she said that, and I'm like, well, you're not saying that as a woman in front of it.

He's a very smart man, but he's also a dumb guy.

Like smart man, dumb guy.

Right, we can absolutely be both.

And you know, I don't know how to talk to some people at the best of times.

So you know, we're naive fools.

We're hopeful when we should have no hope and where you know, naive when there's something right in front of us.

I just I don't know.

I don't I don't get it.

So I kind of don't like, Hey, if we never hear of this again, great, if they get married in the next episode, whatever, But like I just I don't know.

I just it didn't make any I.

Think as the two of us, Yeah, we look at it, we go, well, if we were in in Keller's position, It's like, well, in a way, I think she was being respectful.

You could you could argue that she's felt this way about for a long time.

But the entire time that Keller has been on the expedition, McKay has been with Katie, you know, so almost in a way, you could say Keller's second option was Ronan, you know what I mean, Like, imagine that being your fallback.

His Ronan decks.

But you know, like she said, he's very hard to read, you know, and maybe that's what attracts Keller to Rodney is he doesn't shut up.

He says everything.

He has no filter, whereas you know, she doesn't.

She never needs to wonder what Rodney is thinking, whereas with Ronan you would.

But you know, us being basic men, just on a on a physicality level, you and I would both very easily choose Jason Momoa over Rodney McKay.

So yeah, it is an interesting one to think that that Jason Momo could ever be someone's fallback second choice.

God, what a what a slack If you didn't know the first If you just were told, hey, do you know that you're going to turn down Momoa for someone better, you'd be like Oh my god, who's that going to be?

I mean, if you look at mama in real life, like he's been married to oh god, what's her name now?

What's her name's mom?

Yeah, Zoe Kravitz's mom, Lisa Bene right, I was thinking something Rose, Yeah, Lisa Benet.

And they've you know, parted ways.

They were married for a long time or they married that they weren't just parted up.

I'm pretty sure they were married.

I think so really had some kind of commitments whatever they were traditional, don't know it was a traditional marriage, but I think they had some kind of commitment ceremony.

Are together for a long time.

He was absolutely stepdaddy to to Zoe Krabatz and then.

Daddy daddy almost in a way well not sorry, not like that.

Yeap, and uh and then they've broken up and now he's dating the potential future wonder woman in Adria Ana.

Sure.

Yeah, you always fix the like the main female character in and Or.

Oh okay, she's looking to be the new wonder woman.

Well she she keeps getting mentioned.

I mean, once she's got that look, she's the right mate.

I broke it down and over and get it a geek.

A couple of weeks ago, but I absolutely listened to that.

You absolutely would have because at some stage had to talk about some DC C W TV, so of course she would have given that a miss.

But yeah, she's up there and James Gunn gave her her first film role, and she's just one of those picks.

I mean, as I'm as much as I'm not a fan of and or she's got some chops.

She's really got acting chops.

She can, she's got range, So yeah, that could be really interesting.

Yes, I wouldn't.

Yeah, I think that could be cool.

So you know, and wonder Woman.

It's like he had his heart broken but his marriage broke up and it's like, oh but you know, your next girlfriend's sorry what God damn?

So yeah, was doing it, even if he is Jennifer Keller's second choice.

So yeah, in the end, it was It was kind of a weird one in the sense that, like we didn't get much in the way of detail about what they were going to do, other than some very basic stuff that we get at the beginning every episode where we're going to come into a contact with another people told on hold.

You're not going to skip over that you are we're not going to skip.

I'm not giving you the opportunity.

Mate.

They're willing to move, but they have a list of demands and a half long.

And negotiating with alien settlements is not exactly why I joined the air for US.

I wonder who they did originally have on Atlantis to deal with all those kind of negotiating.

They had some kind of professional negotiating who was sold as, you know, the greatest negotiator in the world.

Okay, mate, okay, mate, I'm sorry.

Are you happily riding off McKay and keller for dead?

Because if we're there and Carter's not, no one's getting out of that hole.

Mate.

You think we are going to go tomb raider, You think she's climbing up, then he's trying to jump out of a hole or scaling down.

They're dead.

He's definitely definitely not telling where to take a top off either, So they would have had lost that scene.

And not counted out.

Well, I mean, we know someone quite well that could have been asking we are a number of years ago to take the top off and it might have been something that had a chance of happening.

So well, ah, we leave that there if you know, you know, and you should know because it's been in the previous episode of the podcast.

Yeah, we've talked about it a bit on No, but like we get very vague details about what they're actually doing, and then in the end we never see them go there, like obviously we're not going to get another hole with two minutes to go and go okay, now let's go there.

But it's like, oh, it was so unimportant.

We gave you the barest of details.

It's like, was there not an ulterior motive?

It's not like the planet's alive and you know that the tremdors are happening for some sinister reason, but that's almost what they were going there for.

It's like, this, is this something that we could help with?

Is it?

It's like no, no, no, fair well to bad old planet.

Hay, tough luck for those guys, and now we're back, we're safe, we're out of the hole.

Or do they get the thing done and they move on?

Like you know, it's just it doesn't matter.

It was just about them being in the hole and getting out of the hole.

And you said bottle episode that cost them less money.

It matters so little.

I will bring it up again next week on how it mattered so little.

Oh, I'll just tickle your little further there, buddy.

Something I did want to reference though, is ironically, and this is going to be a Zelenka pigeon reference.

But in the same way McKay brought up almost a beef with Neil degrass Tyson.

Oh that was great.

Yeah, not the end of that, not the end of that little that little thread.

So that's something you've got to look forward to.

I mean, there was a bit of that, Like, there was obviously a couple of names brought into it, and I just thought, well, especially Neil de grass Tyson, like I don't know what he was like back in two thousand and nine when this episode came out, but like wait, yeah, you're right.

Yeah, it was like holy god.

Yeah.

It was shown in the UK, like sorry, bye, way earlier than Sci Fi.

Channel United States.

Now I've had it up in front of me, but it's it's it's defaulted to what I will get to.

United States eighth of February two thousand and eight, Skip on down to Australia seventeenth of December two thousand and nine.

Yeah, are youking high?

Yeah?

Man, we got this nearly two years after it came out.

Hey, look, I'll get it.

That's one for this.

But what the The finale of Star Trek Voyager came out in May of two thousand and one.

I graduated twelfth grade at in November of two thousand and one, still not having seen it, and watched it in two thousand and two on VHS when it was finally available in Australia, because it didn't even show on freeedow wear TV in Australia.

Wow, I can't believe that, because here I was we were talking about and that last like two minutes ago.

That would have sounded like bad audio because I was going to cut that out as we were recording this.

I was like, I'll just cut this out.

But I kind of can't now.

I was going to bring it up before about the date, because here I was saying about Carter, going, oh, Paul Newman, I'm like, I think he died around this time.

And you know why I know that because Cars came out in two thousand and six.

He obviously doc Hudson in that in that as the older guy, and I knew that he was an older actor doing voice work and I'm pretty sure he died a couple years later, two thousand and six.

Let's just go to two thousand and eight.

I looked it up.

He did die in two thousand and eight, around September.

And then when I saw this came out in December, I was like, Oh, okay, that's not too bad.

They would have already filmed it.

No, it was two thousand and nine.

I thought that's a weird thing to make a year and a bit after a guy's died, saying i'dim.

I completely forgot that he was in cars.

But it came out.

This episode came out like seven or eight months before he died.

I cannot.

I mean again, it was a weird time, young people, young listeners.

When we had stuff delivered to us, It's like we literally put it on a ship like a small boat and said row it to Australia and they'll put it on air.

I remember, I remember the final season of Gilmore Girls, me reading transcripts of those episodes online, waiting waiting for the DVDs to come out, just.

Waited.

But yeah, I'm sorry, how do you I will expand on that, how do you read the transcript of a Gilmore Girl's dialogue between Laura I and Rory and in your mind absolutely absolutely can you read I know I can read fast, but how do you read that fast to mimic Lauren Graham's Yeah, yeah.

Cadence, I feel like I feel like I speak pretty quickly most of the time.

I never could have PREDICTEDA.

But you know that was that was a that was a little blessing for me.

That was in season seven.

Wow.

Yeah, Yeah, we're living in a better timeline at the moment where we get we get shit day and date.

A little a little chip that I want to have at Martin Guerro.

And I'm not a scientist, but this is something I read in the trivia and I was like, you know what, I think he might be right.

When they throw the rope and they shoot the rocket and all that kind of stuff, and they're pulling in all the dirt into the room that they're in that's on stilts, then it starts to become unstable because of all the added weight.

That room was already holding the weight of that dirt, because that weight was just on the roof the floor.

Yeah, So I was like, that's a good point.

I think you could maybe argue that it's in then like a pounds.

Per square into balance.

That dirt was now focused, that was spread out in the same way that Carter was like at the further the start of the episode was like spread a weight at evenly so we don't fall in That dirt was all kind of spread out over the top, and now it was in one pile ride in the center.

But yeah, it was a good point when I read that, going, well, yeah, it's been holding up the way of that dirt for decades.

I just I didn't even think about it, I.

Either, but I thought that was quite interesting.

I did want to this.

I don't think we'll use it again, but I just wanted to add it to something that we may need in the future.

About this one.

Oh red means bad.

Oh yeah, can range with that logic.

I thought that was quite nice.

And this, I think, for me is one of the reasons.

I think, like we were talking about earlier, the whole like you know, Rodney telling the girls to get the cans out and all that kind of stuff.

I think one of the reasons you let a character like that get away with it.

On top of the fact that you know that he's you know, he's not a virtuous character.

He's not really someone to look up to.

I think moments like this are what balance it out.

And for lack of a better terminology, give give the women their power back.

Okay, well, the grappling hook didn't work because a hoop wouldn't hold our weight in soil creates didn't work because same was too heavy.

Oh well, we all want to be I mean, our wed in general.

Nothing to do with you, is it just?

I mean, you're in the very good shape.

Seriously, you have like the perfect body.

Well not that you don't, Oh no, no, no, I realized that your bodies are different and maybe that that would mean that that I think that your body is imperfect.

But that is not the case.

No, no, no, far far far from it.

That that is just sweet, which is to say, I mean, it would be impossible for me to choose which if you.

Rest assured your efforts that have to I kept quiet if it would have gone on like that forever.

Okay, I'm sorry.

What I mean is that is that you have Rodney.

It's the bag that he's ready to go back to one and start again.

Yeah, that was I mean, if anything, we like to like take lines like that, or with the you know show the show the kids you boob seen and go in twenty twenty five, That won't work.

I would argue that Rodney in the last forty five seconds we just listened to that is him from twenty twenty five.

Yeah, because we're living in that world at the moment.

It's like I love apples.

It's like, why do you hate oranges?

Yes?

I didn't say anything, but well you stated that you love apples and therefore they're the best, and that means you hate oranges.

Why do you hate other fruit?

What do you torch?

Which means if you hate oranges, you must hate all citrus exactly.

Yeah.

How was the movie?

That was all?

Right?

Oh so you didn't like it?

No?

I thought it was okay.

What would you rate it?

Three stars?

Oh?

Shit?

Is it no above?

Mid women Leaders?

Because I had people of color in me in main act?

Yeah?

Yeah, so he was just covered all of his bases and just digging holes deeper and deeper.

I actually didn't realize it went for that long.

Just listening to it, it seemed to go for so much longer than watching it, because at least you're able to bounce off the reactions or.

Non reaction cutting back.

I was just listening to that.

It's like, oh god, please stop.

Yeah, and I'd love to know how much of that was in the script and how much of that was just him.

Yeah.

We kind of hope that it's not because the pressure is like, hey, just come up with some stuff on the day, and well, I don't actually want to offend them in real life?

Do way?

Because do you actually know this is actually part of the characters hang on?

Well, that was me, but because I thought the character would say, it'd be like, oh my god, this is actually becoming real life.

This is great.

So now that was funny.

Rotto, Well, that's episode two hundred and eighty six.

Oh, Stargate get into Gates.

I wouldn't say starget Atlantis.

It's not that episode.

It's episode sixteen to season four.

It's it's it's episode to eighty six of the other.

Now I'm sitting like Ronnie two hundred and six of the of the podcast.

We're back next week to talk.

Okay, you said that you guys have talked about Trio or you you at least you Okay, Brennan says, Trio.

You know that that's something.

I don't know that that's anything I used to get.

The confused with Trinity from season row.

Actually, I think I remember that when Trinity came up and You've been like, you said something and he was like, oh, you might be thinking of Trio, whatever that may.

Be, because yeah, that's the one where Rodny blows up like the planet oh right, or the solo self three quarters of the solo.

Yeah, yeah, well this one next week Midway.

I've definitely heard mentioned what what I mean if.

We're not making out at the end of this episode, where I'm absolutely making out of the the next week's episode.

Why were we going to make out of the others?

You know what?

Don't answer?

Is it because we're in my in law's bed.

We're going to christen the in law's bed.

But next week, next week?

Mate?

There is so much just sexual magnetism going on in an episode.

You just no one, no one could.

Resist, No one is safe in Midway, all right, get you diddy lube and we'll see you back next week.

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