Oh, that's horrible.

That's that's unpleasant.

I don't like that at all.

All Right, some context, it's now very official getting into the building where we record, and we have to sign visitors in.

Now I work here, so I don't have to sign myself in as a visitor obviously, but for the first time ever, and which is what twelve years and more context, you used to work in this very building, but so now that you're not an employee, you have to sign it as a visitor.

Still too soon.

Still, and you've just received the photo that the iPad took of you as you signed it.

From naval level.

It was where they have the iPad looking straight up, so it's very full.

Chin, it's all chin.

Yeah, And then yes, I signed in s I n E.

Is the app that I get it from.

Yeah, you can see what they were going for, but yeah, it had it.

Get it Agate episode two hundred and seventy nine, talking about Stargate Atlantis, season four, episode nine, a little bit of Miller's crossing.

We'll get into that.

I'm Mitch obviously, I don't know obvious, but I'm the one that always does this at the start, and then you're Maddie.

Yeah, I feel like it must be easy if people now, because wasn't it always people couldn't tell which one was you and which one was Brandan.

Which I could never get me too, Like Brendan's got like such a deeper voice than like I'm jealous at how deep his voice is compared to mine.

Well, and he's so dead pan as well.

Well sure, you know, but even just like compared to you at least.

Yeah, but I feel like, you know, you know, I feel like the room does that a lot too, because there's nothing going on here except for three people talking to each other in absolute otherwise silence.

But even just like kicking it back and seeing him on a weekend or something like that, you know, he's got a deeper voice.

I'm like, I love that.

I mean, it's mine's very nasily and I hate this out of my own voice, So you know, I would love a I'd love a deep voice.

But at the same time, I'm like, if something means confuses.

You say that we're in the room with some and calls themselves high pitch Maddie.

Sure, but there's a clear distinction, you know, like there's one thing to be maybe have a high pitch and another one to go, are you sick?

Are you sick?

I sound really congested.

You're like, no, that's just it's just me.

Like I had rhinoplasty, I had polyps taken out, I had like three different surgeries done on my nose like seven years ago, and I was so excited that once it all cleared up that maybe I would sound less nasily.

And then I think people thought that I was setting myself up to sound bad.

So as I'm saying that, more and more people, oh, you don't sound any different, thinking they were doing me.

Ah.

I think there was a big difference.

I don't know, if you go back and listen to you from like, you know, two thousand and nine, very different.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah definitely.

But I think that's just an age thing.

Yeah, it could be because.

I think i've even at the start of this pod.

Oh when did I get it done?

Yeah, probably seven or eight years ago, so we started the pod before I had it done.

Anyway'm gonna I'm going to actually rebook in to get something done all over again at the end of the year.

Yeah.

Yeah, for anyone just said he's got to get the old deviated septum surgery or whatever.

That was one of my things through sleep Appy.

Yeah, I've had that big test where they sort of put all the cables and the pads on your head and they scan you during your sleep and they're like you sleep like shit, and I know, like, thanks for coming, thanks for turning the equipment.

They put me in the big the big machine where they you know, the cat scan machine with the oh really like that to check all my sinus and something.

Nah, you're just fat, that's you just snore.

You don't have sleep, app you just snore a lot because you're fat.

Jesus the White Fatty And like, okay, great, thanks thanks to charge me to put me in the machine.

Dearhad love it even I can't remember which movie it cost me that night when I got when I got hooked up my GP.

He's a good gpoo, my GP.

He's a good friend of mine, and hooked me up with the machine, put all the pads on.

I sort of like in a walk out to the car and I'm all hooked up and.

I thought, damn machine was in his basement, wasn't that?

Yeah?

And I had a movie premiere on that night.

I feel like maybe it was superhero esque pretty good bet, And so it would have been not only because it was very on theme that if I would have shown up with like all these weird cables coming out of my head going into a box that I'm wearing on my belt or something, and you know, get around, I goes go, you know, it would have been like the baby Yeah, exactly twenty twelve, but I had that going on anyway.

That's got nothing to do with Stargates Miller's crossing.

Now, when you tease this last week, Miller, I'm like, hang on, McCay, missus Miller.

Did I make the joke?

It just occurred to me.

Now, did I make the joke that I should have said?

It was an episode about maybe one of the Miller's cross dressing would have been.

Yeah, I don't think you did.

Then again, I don't think you really have to say cross dressing anymore.

No, there's I think there's there's more twenty twenty five names so that I don't know what it is, but whatever it is, we accept it.

Yeah, good on non binos and non non beanie babies.

A few people on our Patreon DM just to say loved it.

Yep, love some gear.

Firstly, Dame I heard was he loved the Tino fasor mala awe.

Gay I didn't that.

Well, that went straight over my head.

Yah, yeah, I don't think I.

I don't think I did it.

That was the first time he brought it back.

You're like it's You're like your brain's like pre listening to it before it like your ears are like, you know, safe guarding.

It sounds like a Rugby League reference.

Don't even push you through to the brain.

Nah.

Nah, in one you're out the other absolutely in one day out the other.

In that mouth came because that's the only key we word I know.

Bless you.

Yeah.

Yeah, Miller's crossing nothing to do with anything we were just talking about.

After helping her brother Mackay with replicator coding, his sister Jeanie is kidnapped, prompting Makay to travel to Earth, where he too suddenly goes missing.

Written by our favorite Martin Martin Guerro and directed by Andy M.

Michaida.

Yeah, oh he's a great guy.

Love match.

Okay, what do you think?

I think that might actually be Anyekeia Machida in the background, Taylor.

Very good, very good connection.

Yeah, this was obviously very different because you know, we pre credits, we throw back to Tu Ginnie and like you know, Black Ops Team bust In and just like scare.

The shit out of appearing to some kinky stuff.

I had some serious role play going, especially when she wakes up and looks at the husband and he's like, I heard something.

I'll go check it out, Like what just now you heard it?

Because it looks like you've been up for a while.

It's like he's waiting for his queue.

Yeah, he goes up.

Oh no, I'm being punished.

Oh no, I've fallen onto the chair.

Oh no, I can't get up.

One of their black masks has fallen into my head.

Yeah, oh no, there's a ballgag ind here for some reason.

And then yeah, post opening credits and McKay Shepherd and most importantly Ronan arrive at the SGC and I kind of had to rewind it because I wasn't listening to any of the dialogue with old mate that's been in love with Carter for ten years.

I was just thinking, holy shit, we are at the SGC.

Ronan's on Earth.

Ronan's on Earth for the first time, well the.

First time to be seen that.

Ah, that's true.

Because what was the already there what we just sort of heard in passing that he'd yeah.

But also obviously when All Make Bear Care died, Ronan was one of the pall bearers who walked his caskets.

Okay, okay, okay, So he's his first time off base, like he's definitely been to the STC before, but real quicker than Tilk absolutely, yeah, okay, well that well, he doesn't have to put a beanie on, that's true.

Can you imagine him trying to fit all those dreads under a beanie?

Now that would look suspicious.

Well, he said at one stage, and we're just going off.

This isn't even what I thought anymore.

This is just talking about it.

But I'll get back on track.

At some stage.

When he's like, they're like you gotta wear a suit, he gues, you know, you got to blend in.

He's like, I'm going to stand out no matter where you put me in.

But are you though, like you're big?

But like that's maybe it's the dreads, I guess, and he did because he's hella handsome.

Oh well yeah, and he did look ridiculous in a suit that wasn't tucked in.

It's like you guys have done him, you know, at a service here, but.

It screams independent contractor.

It just yeah, it was It was a surprise to me to obviously go on to and then I'm like, holy shit, this isn't this is an Atlantis episode that seems to be heading towards being entirely based on Earth, and.

Then checked as if it was written by Joe and Paul.

Well, honestly, that was going to be my joke.

I was going to come on here and go written and directed by Joe and Paul, directed by any Keido.

Ah.

And then as it's going on, and I sort of had to pause it at one point because I'm watching it.

Wife walks in and like she's a nurse, not that well just because it's got medical stuff that she would naturally ask questions.

But I thought if she would ask what was going what am I watching?

Because I'd been you know, it was on for a couple of minutes before I did stop it.

When she was in the room, it was just with old mate, the head of the military contractor or whatever.

He was talking about his daughter being sick and then looking into cancer research and applying experimental shit, and I thought if she asked me, now, what am I watching and I say, oh, Stargate.

I wonder how much that would surprise it because it was just all medical jargon and it was about using God forbid, all this alien technology to better human either living advancement whatever in the medical field.

Like we had a lot of that early on in SG one, where it was more about the military stuff.

Occasionally there was a there was a health benefit, but it was often too dangerous to really bring back and put into mass production back on Earth.

Yeah, we've come a long way since the cavemen virus.

Yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I feel like a lot of that's just sort of gotten lost in the background.

It's sort of like we expect that that's what's going on, and whenever my kids asked me, you know what it's about, and even the difference between Star Wars, Star Trek and Stargates, and it's like, well, ones, you know, you know, fantasy a long way away, Stargate is now, and with modern people, modern technologies dealing with this stuff that you know, a whole new universe they've been opened up to, and Star Trek is Earth's future and us sort of actually engaging in you know, some pretty nice civil relationships with a lot of alien races and not so civil with others, but again about human advancement, peace and and you know, expanding us and the future and all that.

So it was a bit more of a I think it reminded me of what they touched on very early on in Stargate.

And then all of a sudden, you bring the Wraith into it again and it's like they're on Earth.

It's like, holy shit, this is a moment.

Yeah.

I know, it's only one and he's got seven machine guns trained on him.

But it just kept taking different steps, like for the most part, but not that it was a shit episode and it was only made good because a Wraith came into it.

But I was just like, okay, cool, yeah, like a medical thing.

And this guy isn't just this overararching sort of villain like aha, you will fix my daughter, I will kill you.

Like he was a guy that was taking some pretty drastic sort of steps to try and save his daughter.

And you got that pretty early on with him going hey, hey, hey, like I've got you and you were under my guard and you know, we'll tease you and all that sort of shit.

But I'm here to save my daughter, and he wasn't he wasn't evil, he was desperate.

I called him an evil doctor, evil mister Sheffield.

Remember when mister sheff Field was an SG one and he kind of you know, similar situation where he'd been an outside contractor for the SGC making technologies and he'd figured some shit out and then whereas this guy obviously had the whole you know, and we spoke about this before.

It's like, yeah, you do anything for your kids.

You and Sarah are very much like that.

So you guys do anything for your kids.

So you know, yeah, he is of a sympathetic villain in a way, in much as yeah, you can call him a villain in this he's more just kind of a shades of gray desperation.

Kind but just like how how like violent his little Black Ops team were on multiple occasions before you all of a sudden became sympathetic to him, Like, dude, like, I'm sure you could have just forcefully asked them and then put them into a car.

You didn't have to like bust into their house and scare their child, scare the husband, like threatened to kill them.

I'm glad they didn't do because we've we've done it a few times in in SG one.

I'm glad they didn't do the just the unmarked van pulling up beside someone on the street and just like yanking, Yeah, driving off.

It happens to bit.

But yeah, I feel like they could have just like knocked on their door in daylight and walked in there and you know, put them to sleep and dragged them out.

He didn't have.

But yeah, they needed some action on the on the on the oppen because it is yet it is a very talking tool yet so there's not a lot of that goes on in it, and he does.

I thought you brought up Sarah before I thought you were going to say what she lean into was.

I'm pretty sure it was in this.

But there's a shot where just like the needle just goes into either Genie's arm or the daughters just on just like just a straight ero degree angles, not into a vein, just straight into flesh, you know what I mean.

And I was like, I feel like if there was a medical professional on site or an advisor, they've gone that's not really how that would go.

No, she's good for that, Sarah, either, it's too big of a needle or it's in the wrong spot, and they would put that much in there with that particular and I'm like, I get it, but also I like, no, they should have someone that's an advisor.

Like well they normally do in the SGC, I know, like sorry inn sg won in the SUC, like when they do like the old like Doc Phraser scenes and stuff like that, they did have there was a real nurse on site who was the In the same way there's a military advisor.

It's like, oh, the Air Force wouldn't do this.

The Air Force wouldn't do that.

There would be a medical advisor there being like Okay, well this is how you would do this, this is how you would apply this, this is what you would do.

Yeah, yeah, all that kind of thing.

You know, him being sympathetic.

I was about to say that you did start to feel sorry for him obviously with his backstory.

His wife died a couple of years ago.

He can't go through that again.

He has to save his daughter and then she dies twice in this episode.

Yeah, dude, hasn't he been through enough?

Now?

Like I get that he was an assle, but you know, you did start to realize why, and you hated him a little less for it.

So yeah, I just I just want to put on record to anybody listening to anyone who's going to slip into my DM and be like, Maddie, it's your job to give the trivia and give us all the behind the scenes info.

True.

No, what, No, I'm not going to talk about what he was in and where people who watch other sci fi shows recognizing.

The dad Garry Wallace.

Okay, it's not worth that.

That's one to bring it up.

What he was in?

You can?

You know, you know, but I'm not getting into it.

I don't know.

And I'm glad you said that now because had I have just blindly and innocently asked you the question I'm about to ask you, if you hadn't have said that, it would have looked like I was trying to beat you because I was about to ask have we seen him before, but more specifically in Stargate because he does seem familiar to me.

But is that only because I may have seen him in another you know.

Possibly talk amongst yourselves while I look it up.

So this is where we need a third person?

Is christ This is going to be interesting but yeah he did.

Because I don't know the actor's name, so I've got to go into IMDb.

I've got to look up Atlanta, then find the episode, and then find the actor who played Henry Wallace.

Okay, hang on, let me just I'll just give you Yeah, yeah, there we go.

Yeah, I mean we could play some audio while I'm looking it up.

Oh yeah, I mean it's either all full discretion to anyone listening.

It's I did my prep for this a while ago, and Mitch has been sick and unable to do things.

So I have bits of audio here that I have no idea what they mean.

Find the longest one, then, well.

I don't even have the not I just have what I've saved them as play number one.

See what it says.

It just says bait on mine.

And your correspondence with Jeanie.

I desperately needed someone familiar with the coding to come fix the programming, right, So Genie was just the big no.

From what I could tell, she had a firmer grasp of the coding than you did.

I don't think it's fair to judgement on a couple of emails.

I mean, they don't reflect you, because that was that sent me that clip that was so funny because like, again, at that stage, we didn't know to feel sorry for that guy.

And he's there trying to save his sister's life, like he's literally traveled across the universe to save his sister's life.

And then the guy who's kidnapped her and you know, as far as he was led to believe at that point, threatened her and her family with death, says, sister's smarter than you are in this particular instance.

And he's like, well, hang on, hang on, hold on, you don't know the star crazy here income and even at the start, and I loved Zelenka, I don't say Zelenski, but because he's obviously very busy elsewhere, Zelenka, you know, saying to Roddy, we've been here for ten hours.

You've been staying at the same shit.

You're waiting for this epiphany.

Couldn't you just ask your sister for help?

And he's like no, He's like, put your ego aside.

And then and Rodney's saying, well, I guess if we did solve it now with her help, it would allow me to focus on other project.

He's like, hey, hey, sell it to yourself however you want.

And I'm like, I love when people call him out, but it's always John that calls him out.

Yeah, and Ronan gives him a little bit of shit.

And obviously now that Carter's around, though not in this episode, you know.

We'll get to that, or you believe we'll get to that.

The little behind the scenes.

Oh no, there's no story.

I just I just have I have, I have opinions.

Oh right, okay, so yeah, it was Yes.

I think I figured out where you would know him from.

He was in Captain America the Winter Soldiers, someone called Scudder, the pivotal character of Scudder.

But other than that, yeah, he's This is his only appearance in any Stargate franchise as far as I can see.

But he was in Captain America Winter Soldier as Scudder.

He was also in something else she would have knowned.

He did one episode of Arrow in twenty fifteen, and yeah, just a lot of you know, one episode bits.

Yeah, yeah, he looks he's one of those faces.

Yeah, like he would get around in the TV scene or whatever.

But I would buy him if he popped up in an episode of SG one as like the leader of SG twelve or something like that.

I'd buy it.

Oh, yeah, by it.

And I just thought maybe he had been an SG one as like a you know, mister Sheffield alternate.

Somewhere along the line we have dealt with him.

He has been there, or he has been like a lowly thing, and now he's higher up.

He's running that company or that organization at the least.

Is doctor Quinn Medicine.

Woind if that's I mean, I did watch that as a kid.

If I could remember more than one thing about that show, I would be very surprised.

Yeah.

And I just thought the fact that he came in and was like twice to two different characters like I'm Henry Wallace.

It's like, oh, his most recent credit he did, he's done three episodes of Suits.

La, Okay, I haven't started watching that.

No, I mean either, I mean I never finished Suits.

Oh, we've got about four episodes into the Catherine Heigel era Markel.

Oh no, you are a fan of Megon Markel and you checked out and the Catherine Heigiler.

Well, I think it turns out I'm a fan of Rachel on Suits more than I'm a fan of Megan Markle.

But we did get that far and then my wife's like like we we don't even know if she said anything, but we just sort of fell off.

And then when I tried to get her back because I knew that, like at least old mate Patrick Adams does return in the like what do they make nine seasons and it's eight and nine that was Catherine Heigel and I was like, no, no, no, in season nine he comes back into it, and there was all the rumors that maybe she would even though she was like engaged to a royal at that point.

That was never gonna happen.

And I was like, I just want to get to the end and it ends the way that finishes with like those two main guys there, let's just get them we haven't yet.

Yeah, that's like my years on.

I was in that show for Rebecca.

I love g Notorious.

Yeah, so yeah, it was a bit of it.

And what's the redhead's name?

Donna?

Yeah, both in the Great Yeah, but Rebecca, Rebecca was my in and yeah when she left, it was a bit.

It was a bit rror.

It's a bit more.

Although ironically I've never been able to find anywhere Australia to watch and has spin off show.

That she Yeah, yeah, come out of that show.

You're right, No, I can't remember whether we had access to it, wonder whether we were now anyway.

He would probably be on seven plus or something of those.

But I get her in I get her in Loan Star nine to one one.

That's my guilty pleasure.

So with Rob low So, final season of that coming out soon.

Anything I've seen of that show is when they find a guy who's been frozen in like his home ice bath, and they try to compress his chests and they pushed through things.

I've also sec the video of the of the racist neighbor, the old lady neighbor trying to fake a heart attack because there's some Mexicans next door having a barbecue.

Yes, yes, yes, And then she fakes a heart attack and and she doesn't want the black guy to give her mouth to mouth, that's right.

And then he's like, well, I'm also trans so and she's like, ah, I'm fine, I'm okay.

Then yeah, yeah.

One of my favorite scenes, brilliant.

I think I have seen that.

It's like those two those are two great ads for watching that show.

But you know, I've got enough cop procedurals that I haven't caught up on in yeah decade, So yeah, Craig.

Every other week, Craig's on me about what from the rookie and I'm like, it's not it's just not gonna hap And you love Nathan Fillion, love him, love him.

Never going to happen as far as the cop procedure goes happen.

Yeah, never going to.

Happen, buddy.

All right, Well that's good to know.

And I will push you for where Henry Wallace is actually from and why at the end of the podcast, we're not banking up.

That's one.

So it's not going to cost you, you know, exactly next week or anything like that exactly.

I was starting to worry, as again first time are watching this that I'm thinking, well, she kind of has to die, this daughter.

They well, at least they can't save her with this technology, because if this technology works and they've cured cancer as they were celebrating, which I still felt kind of weird.

Like this dad, you know, like one he was in his when he first noticed that they had escaped in that in that first scene where they were locked away, they escape and he's in his office by himself, and I'm like, I feel like at this point where you think like a cure might be right around the corner, because literally right around the corner you have two of the smartest people in the freaking galaxies working on this problem that you know you would be bedside with your daughter.

Then when she actually does get better, then he walks off to take these two people that he's just kidnapped to pop a bottle of champagne completely separate from her.

So that were terrible, pau by the way, that champagne paw.

If you if you look closely at that terrible what was it like a straight up no, straight up there was there was maybe ten mils of champagne in the bottom of that and the rest was foam.

And I think at one point you even see like they they dropped the champagne flute down out of frame because that phone was going out the time, right, Yeah, absolutely.

Poor did you just again little side turned on?

Just because it's Champagne watching Dead Devil Born Again and he had Bbie and and young Michael Gandalfini and they're in a scene party scene earlier on and whatever's going on, and she's looking a him.

She goes shots and he's like yeah, and they go to the bar and they pick up like three champagne flutes.

I'm so sorry, guys, that's not a shot.

I check out anytime Gandi guys on on screen because I can't stand that character.

I'm sure that actor did, because I want to see him.

He's in that that movie.

I want to see the come out, isn't it the one with Kit Connor and all the and and the gold guy from Guardians of Galaxy the war movie.

The what's it called Warfare?

Yes, yes, he's in that.

I heard that he's in it the other day.

And he plays like a pivotal role.

Yes, I saw.

He's like killing it.

He's like part of the core, like six guys that got matching tattoos.

That's fantastic apparently, because the opening scene is we now we divulge into this the fantastic film clip, and I've assume there's a song attached to it call on Me, came on Me.

Yeah, they all got tattoos that say call on me.

Oh brilliant.

Yeah, a little movie date between us to go and watch gandal Feeni.

Absolutely and definitely not the Kit Connor.

So yeah, I just I just thought, Okay, he should have been in the room with his daughter, Like if his daughter's just getting cured, she says, she's conscious for the first time in a while.

You don't celebrate with the people that you've abducted to get it done.

You spend that time with your kid.

You've done all this And because even says later on, like he knew that the second he had this plan, he knew he was going to prison whether she lived or died, he knew spend some time with you would spend the time with her, But you need.

That dramatic walk into the guy going we need you, and then the dramamic walk in of him realizing that his daughter's dead, would happened her heart stopped, blah blah blah.

But I thought, was she ever get a line or was she just an extra I do you reckon?

No, she when she was better and they walked in and he's like, hey, these are the people that saved you.

And she said, oh, it's the best I felt in years, or something like that.

But I thought, yeah, it's It sucks when the crux of the story, at least that part of it is a cure, and you know that they cannot create this cure because then it really does have world changing effects.

Yeah.

Well, and for the same reason we couldn't bring Wea back because she's part replicator.

Yes, this girl would not be allowed out in the general population because she's part replicator.

Yeah h yeah, that's true.

Yeah, so I thought that sucks because we know how this is going to end.

Yeah, but then you get Genie infected with it, which I mean, for as sympathetic as he was as a villain, real dick move where he's like, oh, sorry, you just wanted to escape and the only coding you were working on was to unlock the doors.

Well, now you're going to save your sister.

It's like, well, that's how you're gonna get shit done around here.

So it was hard.

I think, and we say this a lot.

I think this could have been a two parter, but it also could have been two separate episodes.

Like obviously the I think the trap, and because it was a Martain Geiro written episode is we just want Genie and Meredith, We just want them doing the brothers sister thing because all that is absolute gold.

But yeah, the the deep turn it took in terms of Wallace injecting Genie so that they had to you know, break the thing about breaking her legs to all that kind of which I think Brendan has referenced a few times on as well.

It wouldn't have meant anything to me.

Yeah, that was such a great exst.

What I wish we'd actually spend a little bit more time and if it was an episode of Star Trek, I believe what I think is the moment where John pushes Wallace to volunteer to feed the race.

That's the ethical quandary for me.

That's the thing that I want to investigate, because that all felt very out of character for John, very out of character.

So I wish I mean, the scene itself was it made me feel uneasy and icky, which I think is good, But I just wish there'd been a little more back end stuff after Jeannie had been saved, of John coming to terms with that, and maybe, you know, John and Rodney having a conversation about that.

I also think, you know, maybe there would have been more emotional investment for John if it had been Taylor or Rodney or someone that he was closer to rather than Jeanie, who we've only seen for one episode.

I feel like that is a very heavy turn for j On to take.

For Jeanie, I think I would have loved a conversation between Rodney and John about it.

And maybe it was the reason John did it is because of his connection with Roddy and yes, he always shits on Roddey and makes fun of him, pokes fun.

We could have, you know, found out that maybe John had lost his sister or he doesn't really have a family.

He doesn't We've never really spoken about any of John's family or anything like that.

So I would have liked maybe some kind of element there because I feel like if that was a Jack and Daniel scene, we would have gotten some backstory and we would have got the family element of you know, you are my family, You're my chosen family, whatever it is.

So I really would have liked an episode about that, but we're never going to get that from Martin Guiro.

And then I think, and much to my dismay of Elizabeth not being here, is I think Elizabeth would have been the one to talk about the moral quandary of is it okay to do this?

And you know the way that John sort of yeah talked Henry into it, Yeah, kind of thing I would have I would have liked to explore more of that.

Yeah yeah, yeah, well even like the way that John was so dismissive of and I understand why, but of Rodney offering himself.

Now, when Rodney said that, I wasn't taking that completely as like, oh, I'm going to say I want I want to be killed by this wraith, this unnamed wraith with four letters.

I took that almost like I'm just going to give him a little dose, like you know, let me lose ten years of my life just to give him a little booster to have him finished.

Will send him back to to Atlantis and we'll fix him up somehow.

I didn't take that as him saying my life for hers, because you know, he cops enough shit about not being that guy, and I like that he would do it for his sister.

But I feel like, almost this will be another thing, like you know, we've we've had moments where I mean it was in the last episode with his sister where there are moments where he turns into a much more selfless person, but then it's forgotten about the next episode and they just go on.

It's like they've reset it and it's the old school Rodney, which is fun because we love old school Rodney.

He works, we know where he is in his place in the team, but we forget about those moments that make him a better person.

And then this happens to the point where it was exactly how you were just saying, he was sacrificing himself.

But because of what the show continually tells me, I'm like, oh, he doesn't mean all the way.

He only means a little bit.

But then John going no, like absolutely not, and he's like, yeah, but it's my sister, and I'm going to do it anyway.

Him saying no, I'm sorry, you're too too important and you're on my team.

No making a call as a military person rather than a you know, letting a friend you know do what he you know again, what he tried to do, go and sneak into the room and probably make it happen.

And it's like, well that he's only saying no narratively, he's saying no, because not even narrative as the story, but the actual show and production and thirty three minutes, you know, he says no so definitively because there's going to be another way for this to work out and then yeah, cut to next scene, and before I realized what was going on, I'm asking myself, hang on, what why Shepherd interrogating this guy like he was there to find Rodney but he has nothing to do with this guy's going to get to jail.

He's not like he's not his legal representative, he's not bringing more evidence against him, Like there's not oh yeah.

And then obviously then that leads into and there's been some criticism about it from some of the fandom and stuff like that, in that it is kind of like Tabula rasa, where if Rodney had just hit Enter, it would have been fine.

Yeah, but there was this whole thing.

He did everything up until the point of hitting enter, and it's like we walk in and we see that Todd has just sorry the Wraith with no name of four letters.

Wait, wait, Reese, I don't spoil anything.

Okay, I don't spoil anything.

Race He's just fed, and then he like taps three buttons on the computer and then goes, okay, it's down.

Off cut it, you know what I mean.

So a little people are going, well, he could have just done that, But then they had this to say in the audio commentary about it, because this is pretty.

Much the darkest we've ever gotten on the show.

And there was a lot of hesitation from Joe and a lot of hesitation from the network that we essentially have our lead character talking a guy into killing himself and is that too dark?

And you know, I brought up that Wallace is a tragic character.

He makes, you know, he makes he has a tragic flight and make said, you know, some some terrible mistakes.

Again the second that he injects Genie in that he kind of signs his own death warrant.

And the other thing is, what would you do.

I have no problem with the decision, you know, like Shepherd didn't bring him in there and and you know, put the Rai's hand on his chest.

He presented it cleanly and said, listen, your life is over anyway.

You're about your daughter is dead, You're about to go into a very dark place for the rest of your life.

You can save someone's life here right in fact, two people's lives, because oddly enough, he's saving the Wraith and Genie, not that that's a primary concern.

So this I kind of like too, we kind of leave it a little ambiguous to the fact that like, had he been done the whole time and was just holding them up and did he really need to feed?

I mean, I think he really needed to feed, and I also think he was already done.

So that's you know from the writer, He's like, yeah, he acknowledges that, Yeah, he thinks that that the Wraith was was playing them, and that yeah, he wanted to feed, but he wasn't necessarily that he would die without having Faeda, So I think it still keeps the threat of the Wraith ye alive there as well.

Yeah, which is interesting.

And in the end, like I know, he talked him into doing it and whatever that side of it.

But at the same time, like Wallace, Okay, he doesn't want to live with the the guilt I guess over his daughter, but also just the sadness of it, the grief around his daughter and now not having his wife.

But also he doesn't have to go to jail now, like he's taken an easy way out.

Yeah, you know, Okay, he probably went through some excruciating pain and in those ten to thirty seconds howe long it took him to die, probably regretted his decision.

But at the same time, you know, he took the easy way out to offer himself up, even if he had to be guilted into it.

So like, yeah, John had to be darker than we've ever seen him to have that conversation with that guy so that he could save well, save Rodney but also save Genie.

But at the same time, it's like there's a certain percentage of like, well, his conscience could be cleared a little bit because this guy was, you know, probably in some levels happy to happy to not have to go to jail for everything that he did.

Yeah, Like, but it also does bring up the you know, when we first meet the Raith, it's like they can feed without taking everything, because he did that with John, took little bits of John and then sort of gave it back once he'd sort of drained the other guys.

So, yeah, it's hard when there's so much backstory and stuff to work in with that.

I don't think Martin giro bothers to look into, which actually I can tell you I can confirm he doesn't.

Now was this comic kind of just a shout out to Martin Wood for some reason or because it's Martin Wood on the cover there?

Did you know that I.

Didn't even notice.

Yeah, I honestly didn't notice.

It was something that the props guy's brought in and we pulled out of the drawer and Joe was flipping through the various magazines and that was the one so oh good Martin Waite.

So what was it?

A TV one?

I don't know.

I don't know what it was.

No, it was like some comic they had mocked up where Martin is a superhero.

So I don't think we was even for the show.

I think he just asked them to do it.

You're a real attention to detail kind of a guy.

Actually, I have to be aware of this.

Next He's like, hey, you know what I want to comic of just me?

And they're like, well, we're busy trying to make a TV show.

And he was like, well listen, I'm Martin wood It, so do it.

Are you probably gonna get fired?

And they you know, if people listen.

To his attention to details, well.

Listen here, Muttin Guiro, mister, I'm Muttin would I'm more important?

The comic book that Joe was reading, so the Shepherd was reading, was The Amazing Avenger, which they created for Avenger two point oh with old mate, freakin' what's his name, Folger Pilger.

Is okay, attention not to all the details.

Yes, So the episode Avenger two point oh, which is what Felger Felgar there, It is named his virus after his favorite comic book hero, the Amazing Avenger, which they made a comic book of that.

On that episode they made the Amazing Avenger person apparently looked like Martin Wood.

They never really made it to screen, but that's a pretty important episode.

And to not know and to be one of the head writers of the spinoff show.

Yeah, don't go off half cocked, mate, if you don't know.

This is why he'll always be the lesser.

I just like the idea, and I guess you would've got that power, like if he did want something like that drawn up, that he could just go to props and arts yeah and go uhh yeah, just like I just need a little something something for that table.

Yeah, it's a big deal.

But if you could just.

As opposed to Martin Guiro who inserted himself as a background extra in one of his episodes and then they had to devote it entire friggin DVD bonus feature to like a day in the Life of Krewman such and.

Such or whatever and him just hamming it up.

So I'm like, that's a lot of money being put into that, Like come on.

Yeah, come on, this is why I can't see Ghiro.

What's the go with the what's the Carter thing that you were talking about before?

I mean, look, I don't want to say it, but it's like it's like, no Carter and no Taylor in this episode.

It's like, well, we've got Genie and we've got the dead girl in the bed.

It's probably enough feminine energy.

We don't need them for this, Like what are you talking about?

Like, I feel like Carter probably would know more about replicated technology than oh h than Rodney would.

Inherry Hell, Karda was a replicator at one point, well she had a duplicate.

Yeah, So it's just like, I know, she's in a command role now and she's not the science nerd.

And that's the that's the downside to having Carter and Rodney on the same show, because they're essentially the same person for two different shows.

So you could do it, like even if he didn't resolve it with his own team and he refuses them and leaves them in the room just figure it out.

But then he goes, you know, like kind of puts his pride away a little bit and goes without anyone else knowing to talk to Carter about it.

Carter can't work it out, yeah, and says, maybe you need to talk to it, and like she's almost the one that talks him into it because he's got a soft spot for her.

Rather than listening to Selenka saying I'm bored and I'm hungry and I've lost the world to live, He's like, that's nice because you're not smarter than me, whereas Carter it's like, oh, damn it, I really want to hook up with you those I.

Have a feeling it might have to do with the contractual stuff.

And again I wish I wish we knew more information about it, because it's like you look at don Don s Davis.

He was credited in every single episode from season one to seven, but like he got a credit in the opening credit, but he wasn't in every episode.

You know, sometimes he'd just been in one scene, or he wouldn't be in the episode at all.

And I feel like that's what they wanted to do with Weir, but obviously Tory wanted to work a lot, but it's like, I feel like they could have with her contract even if they wanted to change it in season four and said, look, you're still gonna get the same amount of pay.

He's still gonna you know, because surely Amanda would have cost more than Tory did.

But it's like, you're still gonna get the same amount of pay, but you're still gonna get credited for every episode, but you're not gonna be in every episode.

It's called a as far as I'm aware, it's called A ten thirteen.

So in Gilmore Girls, Keiko Aganno, who plays Rory's best friend, she's another character like that where she is credited for every episode but she's not in every episode.

But it's their way to secure her so that she can't go off and get other work and not be available when they do need her.

And I saw in a special feature once she calls it her contract, she was called A ten thirteen and it's out of every thirteen episodes she has to appear in at least ten, okay, and that's her, but they don't have put her in every single episode, So I feel like that's probably something that they've done with Amanda in that they wanted to.

They wanted more of a Donn S.

Davis kind of role.

They wanted the command to be reduced less.

I'm like, why wouldn't you just instead of trying to bump Tory down to recurring, just give her that gear because I feel like that would have been cheaper than Amanda.

He's been on the show for ten years already, so I'm assuming that's why, you know, Amanda isn't in all of the episodes, because it's more like what they wanted.

But I feel like they stupidly it's cost them a lot more money.

But I understand that Carter is more of a draw card ratings wise, so I think that must be with the fan and they what they were trying to do there.

Yeah, what I thought would have been a bigger draw card for ratings is I think there was a missed opportunity.

I would have loved for Ronan to be just fantastic with kids in the same way.

You know we saw Rodney in season one can't deal with kids, terrible with his niece.

I would have loved when they all went to the Miller's house.

I would have loved for and to just be completely obsessed and enamored with Madison was the little girl's name, like Jeanie's daughter, and then those who just get on like a house on fire, like he's given her piggyback rides and flipping her around, just being like the fine uncle and just being everything Rodney's not, and like Madison and Ronan just having this immediate connection and just falling so deeply in love with each other.

Ye as like this uncle and nice kind of situation.

I think that was such a missed opportunity because again, I feel like Ronan, even in this he was kind of didn't really do much, even for him going to Earth and us seeing him on Earth for the first time, we kind of missed that.

And I think there was a missed opportunity because at the opening, when they were making cookies or something like that, he asks the father asks her, do you want to make this many cookies or one big cookie?

And she's like one big cookie.

Which, by the way, I went to Cole's a couple of months ago and I bought a roll of like pre made cookie dough, and it did say on the side of it, it says makes sixteen cookie all one big cookie, and I'm like, hold on a second, guys, hold the phone.

But I'm like, I would have loved to just like rod and just be like, look what I found.

And there's just like a giant cookie him in Madison, just walking around just with his giant cookie playing in the background.

Yeah, Like that's the episode that I want to wall I know, I would have taken away from some of the seriousness when Rodney is talking to his brother in law, but then like the fact that they go and do that privately, and then if they were to come back, you know, you come downstairs two minutes later in the show, but it could be taking place ten fifteen minutes later whatever.

And as they come down and you're looking around and we have Rodney just all Rodney Ronan just like runs past.

He's like out in the backyard and they're just like, yeah, you know, firing off you know, NERF bullets at each other or you know, like yeah three, I mean, yeah, be playing.

Doing the spin that he does with his blaster.

Imagine him doing that with a NERF gun.

Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.

In the sand pit together, they're building blocks, so whatever she might be, he's playing princesses or something with her.

He's out there hour on, yeah, role playing inside some kind of like yeah exactly, and he would be like, you said, love it, But it would have just been such a such a flip from like the brother in law saying this is all because of you and she's gonna die and we don't know.

And again, the only time we've seen, the only thing that we've seen that's pointing us in any direction is that this was a serious unit because they busted in their house.

They lasers pointed at her head, ready to fire bullets and kill everybody, blah blah blah.

And yeah, to just flip it over with Ronan all of a sudden, you know, yeah, playing in.

The in the background, like teaching her how to be a runner.

Yeah, Like they're like they're like hunting her pet rabbit in the backyard or something like that.

She comes up, she's like, Daddy, Ronan told me how to stab a man in the neck from behind.

Yeah, come up.

He's just like full this jab jab jab jab in the jugular.

That would have been great.

Don't even think about that.

Yeah, Ronan told me how to gut MOPSI you know what I mean?

Like yeah, yeah, well okay, going back to the thing that I said before though, like I was like, well, the CUE is not going to happen because then they have to find reasons to not apply it on a grand level.

And if that's the case, if they keep doing that, then what's the point of any this.

If they're not out there to further our technology and to explore for the benefit of the humanity, then what do we as a show?

What are you trying to say to us?

Like what layer of bullshit can you keep giving to us when it's not just yeah, we just want to go and shoot vampire aliens, you know, like in the end, that's kind of what this is about.

But they don't because it doesn't work for the daughter, or it did because you know they the heart stopped because they were trying to fix it.

Now she's back, but then you know, shit happened anyway.

Jeanie's a separate story, and it was such a great moment where he's like, well, I had to break a legs, so what did they Well, it gives the NAO something to fix, and then it'll start moving through to her to her brain.

You know.

They they do fix the coding so they did like well, I mean, they did their job.

They what did he end up doing in the end do they They're they're inactive, they're they're not actually out to be little health robots like he sort of took that away so that they, you know, with the Q is not there anymore, is what I'm saying.

Like, that's sort of the end of yes.

Because bas the what the what the the nanoprobes?

That'd be a that's true.

What what the replicators did to fix her is they just did a hard reset like computer, They switched her on and switch her back on again, which she was brained it.

She lost all them you know, all that kind of stuff.

So while yes, it did cure cancer, it also cures life, you know what I mean.

You know, so it's it's not a it's not a viable cure in that if you have cancer and you want to have your mind wiped and be brain dead, sure we can give you this.

We can give you this cure.

But I guess ninety percent of people would say, well, that's.

Not really a cure, is it.

Yeah, because it's still it's you're still losing the person that it is quote unquote.

See and I think we've we've played around for the idea of it before with the Wraith or maybe some aliens in n S G One, But the idea of like if we had to feed wraith prisoners, it's like get some lookers on death row, you know, like that's some real dark shit.

Yeah, But if you're otherwise going to like firing squad or or you know, lethal injections or electric chair or whatever, it's like, well, we could do that, or we could let an alien prisoner feed off him and they're still dead and our asset stays live.

Again.

Dark shit they're never gonna, never gonna get into.

But it's like that could almost be treatment for like hardcore prisoners.

You put those nanos in full body mind reset, they come out there a clean slate again.

They can go off into society and you train them up to be a normal, functioning, non evil human being.

Like again, they're never going to do anything like that.

They're gonna do that.

They may as well turn you know, the a stargate into a garbage shoot, you know, to go to poop planet or something.

Because we're thinking of far more practical things and a way to use technology beyond the actual narrative of the show.

But it's just yeah, a shame.

It's like, hey, we're gonna dangle this carrot over with a little cure.

It actually does work.

It just works really well.

Unfortunately.

It was like a Twilight Zone kind of thing.

Yeah, and it's like the race can come along it.

Yeah, I've changed the coding, so that'll stop.

It's like, can you fix it so that it does the thing that we want it to do?

Oh nah, couldn't possibly do that?

Like show ends.

Oh okay, cool, so we're back to kind of resetting it.

So that's but yeah, baby steps, baby steps, Yeah yeah, yeah, cure and then it'll be canceled.

Something was a little bit odd though, as I noticed is when Genie and Rodney were escaping, is they were hit with like as.

Yeah.

Now they weren't entars because ntars, which we have existed for seven eight years now, had the little red things underneath, the little red crystals and shop the red bolts.

This was pretty much shooting like little at bolts.

Yeah, so they like they were handguns.

Yeah.

Have they sort of manufactured their own with all their like research and stuff.

They don't mention it, no, never, I don't think it's ever seen again or not the same thing.

It looks like a at blast, but it does that sound effect.

And they're holding earth handguns.

Yea.

Yeah, And the closest we've seen that there's an n tar which has the yeah, the red crystal on the base of the of the grip handle.

Craig, Sorry, I don't know.

The gun turns and yeah, shoots the little red bolts that knock people.

Out, which on a mass scale level would be so good for humans.

Rather than having to carry around projectile you know, ammunition runs out, you could have these handguns, guns that you are familiar with holding.

It's our it's our type and style of weapons, but their energy weapons.

Yeah, so yeah, exactly.

Yeah, we never see it again.

A couple of housekeeping things though, If anyone noticed the table in the middle of the room where Rodney and Genie were working, the kind of triangular shaped silver medal table, you take all the computer screens off it, that is the table from and you send us a picture of it the other day.

Mitch from the season three episode uh fair Game, where we have the treaty meeting before you ouled us and the Asgar.

Yes, that's the triangular meeting table that we all sit down at at that one.

They've repurposed that for this episode.

I did only randomly send a photo of that to the team because we had a like came up on Instagram.

When they get into gate page By, I'll give them a shout out.

Alex Poffus so a little bit of apof it.

Liked your photo and I'm like, that looks like a very old episode.

It's from the episode we posted in October twenty seventeen, so seven and a half years on.

Didn't like anything else.

Yeah, it just went deep and it was an accidental double day.

As he's like rolling through he.

Was looking for nudes and unfortunately double tapped.

Now you gotta hit up my dms for those.

Oh yeah, so yeah, you gotta work for it.

That shit for free.

Absolutely.

And then the other thing.

If you notice during the montage of like Rodney and Jeannie and the Wraith and stuff working, at a certain point, they pan across the Wraith's face and his tattoo is on the wrong side of his face because they mirror imaged it.

They flipped the image in in posts just to have him walking in a more sensible direction or whatever.

But if you notice, it's actually a reverse shot because his tattoo is on the wrong side, right.

I was more so I probably would normally notice things like that, but I was just looking at the.

Blink and you'll miss it kind of right.

It's not like a huge close up anything like that.

I think because he was so still didn't say anything.

He was just standing there looking so long that I was looking at his skin and just thinking.

About anyone's in a bit of shadow kind of thing.

So I think that's why they thought they could get.

Away with it.

And there are some like great detail like those yea, like tatty slice like almost like you know, gills almost like little gashes and stuff.

Nostrils, Yeah, they do their cheeks.

And they look deep, so that details great.

The skin that it's always so like oily and shiny looking and stuff that looks great.

And I was thinking, I wonder, it's like it's it's it's a shame almost that they didn't like really alter the color of their skin when they needed to feed, just to sort of add that element, like it's such a that would be much more visual representation of their hunger and there and their gray.

Yeah, something something sickly, even tailor than what they are.

Yeah, they already look creepy, and.

That would have been a nice way to retcon that weird queen we saw at the end of season two, the real Earth, like the real human looking one with like the pink skin and the Yeah maybe she just needed to feed.

Yeah, I would have taken that, But I guess three and a half seasons in we can't really make those changes.

Yeah, well you know they've added that guns.

Yeah, and for anyone who's been waiting, we're not gonna blue ball you, and they'll give it a pay off of Coles.

We're going to reference it and make sure that everyone knows about it.

One of the highlights.

But I'm nervous, right because you know it's an admiral I'm talking too.

So I say to him, sir, if you use an I thirty seven form instead of an N one, you can save yourself from using like like like one hundred G seventy two's.

And there's this pause.

No one says anything for like I don't know, fell like minutes.

Finally, the Admiral looks over at Landry and he goes Hank not only is your boy here, right, But I think we found ourselves a new Bingo caller for someday else birl I thirty seven N one G seventy two Bingo.

Whoever said the Admiral didn't have a sense of humor?

Oh well, then there was this other time that General O'Neil we were to have.

Something just someone, yeah, some of you to shoot I'll get yeah, yeah, holy shit.

That made me laugh.

Just the idea of those two like that felt like fan fix of the ship, Like what what kind of situation I know, Walter and Ronan sitting down eating lunch together and be like that is so weird.

Let's make it happen, And they put it in the show.

And that's how you use Walter.

And then that's why I don't begrudge the fact that we didn't get Ronan and Madison doing that stuff, because we got we got this scene, which I think is you know, is a fair comprimend.

Just how not even bored, It's just more like unimpressed and just drained he was from having to listen to that ship.

And remember in a Wind of Opportunity when Tilk would just like close the door guy, when every time we started the cycle.

It's giving that.

And that beautiful innocent Walter like just not appreciating.

Not getting it at all.

That that's what was going on, you know, and look far too big of became if you're not gonna have Carter.

But you know, Ronan and Tilk walking past each other.

In the hallways like just I got bad news for you.

Something you don't have to say it, but also don't say it.

But it would have just been.

It doesn't matter who do you reckon it went in a fight.

N has got his blaster, till Scott is double double dildo staff weapon.

I mean, old school Tilk definitely would have had more stamina.

But I don't I don't know.

Now I'm starting to feel there's some fanfic for you know, that great thing that's been going around.

I mean you might be you hate it.

I just love the reels and tiktoks that have come out of it.

But the one hundred men versus a gorilla I thing, yeah, going on over the last couple of weeks.

And then someone asked Robert Irwin and and he's like, look, I've been asked this a lot, so I thought I'd finally open it up and actually give him my answer, and then he just gave the most politically like boring corrected.

He's like, you know, these are endangered animals, so I don't think we should be fighting them at all.

I'm like, dude, that's it's gonna hypothetic.

Can we just have fun with it?

Just go stand overy.

Then you're on with you're painted on abs mate, And he's like.

But if we put that aside in the end, these gorillas they're not actually aggressive creatures, you know, like you would really have to antagonize them to make them want to fight you, so there would be no need to I'm like, just answer the fucking question.

Just say that these things are like bread like strength, like they are born as just these apex like muscle machines, and that they would of course obliterated human if it ever got to that.

You don't have to then say I'm all for animal cruelty.

You don't say that you want to harambe this situation.

You want to throw a man or a person into an arena where a gorilla might do something to them, Just come on so here I am.

You're like, who would win a fight?

And I'm like, but why do we have to make them fight.

I like both of them.

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