Get into Gate episode three hundred and nine, talking Stargate Atlantis, Mitch and Maddie here to do it all over again.

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Yeah, the Supper Brainstorm, Yeah, well done, two weeks early for that.

Detective John Shepherd attempts to solve a string of unusual murders in Las Vegas, now even knowing whoops written directed by Cooper, I should say even I was even knowing the context around it.

That's a weird synopsis to read.

But if you had no idea and that, you'd be like, what, they're in a different galaxy and he's operating as a detect what the is going on?

And that was what you had said to me leading into this podcast, all this episode, going dude, you're not ready.

You might love it, And you'd ask me the other week you said, do you love it?

Just like off the back of nothing.

You said, do you like procedurals?

Like, yeah, yeah, like some like Rushka.

I don't know how that how that translates into the type of show she does, whether it's just from RuSHA harg No.

I do love me some law and Order s for you.

I like all the law and orders.

But you know, I could take or leave a a C side at mind and n C I s at the moment obviously think was on it a couple of weeks ago.

But yeah, I don't mind my swats.

A big fan of SWAT, you know.

So yeah, procedural is it?

I guess, so, yeah, yeah, it'll be a proceed.

The closest one I got it to was Bones.

I did like that, but only the first like three seasons, and they got rid of my favorite character.

So I was like, oh, really's like like a side character sort of thing.

No one of the main characters, really, little the Little Did you ever watch it?

No?

Okay, not really.

It was like it was like Bones is like offside a little the little nervous guy, little sort of quiet nervous guy.

Tonati was a serial killer.

Spoiler alert.

Oh for the show that's twenty years old.

No one hell of a twist.

Yeah, anyway, I'm sorry, but that just happens to be how I feel about it.

What do you think that sounds like something you've just said.

I'm sorry, that's just the way I feel about it.

And now me being nervous, say I'm sorry.

What do you think?

I know you're better than that.

No, you wouldn't say, yes, sir, absolutely, yeah, I think.

As it started, I'm like, okay, so where is this?

If this is a dreamscape type episode, it's a weird it's a weird thing to dream.

But like John has a habit of weird dreams.

When he had that soprano dream the other at the start of the season, he was drinking wine with Taylor, that's true, and Forward showed up for a split second.

Yeah, for the splittest of seconds.

But this, I'm like, okay, it could be some type of device.

You know, We've been in episodes of SG one where we're in some weird place or that the characters are sort of slotting into different roles and then it turns out that they're all plugged into a machine and it's some type of matrix set up, and they slowly realize something's going wrong.

And I'm like, okay, well we've got John who is from Earth.

He's back on Earth.

He's the leader of a team.

Okay, he's a detective and he's outsolving vicious murders.

And but there's like animalistic type murders.

You know, he's been his blood has been drained, and this looks like it's an attack we some type of animal or something.

So that ties into Okay, that's the real world version, and he's stopping Wraith, and okay, are we going to get to a point where yeah, this is that for s G A interesting you would do that with two episodes to go.

And it was like them having so much fun with the idea of like let's overly ce USI the shit out of things.

Yeah, and like they nailed that the sort of like jump sort of like that.

It was almost like it was twelve frames a second, so that's sort of like spotty sort of way, and then you know the sort of flash you know, cuts and things like that.

Yeah, but like famously, but I said to you last week or maybe the week before, I only made it through eight minutes of the audio commentary on this one.

Yeah, and was basically them just talking about everything, they.

Like, super proud of themselves.

Yeah, yeah, basically just going well, you know, in the lead up to this, we watched an entire season of CSI with audio commentary.

I could have done it with one episode, yeah, maybe two.

And then talked about like, oh, you know, yeah, CSI is known for you know shots, and then also like having a hot spot or like on the screen there's always some kind of hot you know, piece of lighting and all that.

Yeah, so it's just minutes and minutes and minutes, and I just went, oh, I'm so.

Not for me.

Yeah, maybe I would like that.

Maybe I would like the filmmaker side of it, because.

Yeah, I normally do when it's like a Peter de Luiz would.

But I mean for something that you're not into, which is like procedurals, You're like, I could care less about watching it let alone.

I just said I could care less, you know, So I hate that I could care less about that.

I'm like, see you care a little bit.

No, actually I couldn't care less.

We'll say that you couldn't care less.

If you could not care less, say that.

Yeah, what was on that my friend used to get get wrong?

It'll come to me I'll think of it.

But there was a word that yeah that shoot, oh with all intensive purposes.

Yeah, that's it.

Yeah, yeah, and it's a lot that the whole that whole phrase is a lot you know.

So it does sound like that, sure, yeah, with all intad said purposes, it's like, oh, okay, someone's cultured here.

Yes, on the.

Audio commentary, this is pretty much the point where I checked out.

But he also had the freedom to go out to the desert, which is somewhere we never get to see that kind of landscape in our usual settings here.

And yeah Stargate, Stargate has never been to the desert.

That's something real.

And you'll hear in the background that was the opening credits.

Yeah.

Yeah, So there wasn't long after that I pieced out, But yeah, I was just like, yees, Stargate's not known for the desert.

We've never seen the desert before.

So I'm so glad you don't.

They look back at the movie, which took place almost entirely in a desert.

Yeah, I appreciated like how well they mimicked the style.

And then it went on like that for probably half and then it was just maybe it was the moment where he basically got picked up by that version of the SG whatever, right, and he's being spoken to and by Woolsey and by McKay and there was no thing CSI about it from that point on that none of the sort of the style of CSI.

And it just kept going, and I just I found myself asking, Okay, well, why are we doing this then?

If we're not gonna if it isn't going to be like a complete one hundred percent parody episode, why are we doing this?

Yeah?

Certainly wasn't a like, for laughs parody episode No.

Two hundred which you know what, I'm whole extreme or maybe.

I would have been more pissed off about that.

Maybe I don't know.

And look, I wasn't entirely like upset with this episode by no means.

It was just I think having the knowledge which they would have at the time as well making it, and as fans I'm sure would have known ahead of watching it, Yeah, this is your second last episode of Stargate Atlantis, And I just found myself going, why now?

Why not ten episodes ago?

Yeah, if this was the second last episode of season two or something like that, I'd be like, yeah, fine, whatever, Yeah, And you just skip it.

But it's like, essentially this entire episode, the payoff was the Wraith sixty in sending that message to multiple universes.

Yeah.

Yeah, so last week you said to me save for I don't know whether you gave me a time duration or just said save for one moment or something like that.

It's the episode kind of has no point.

Is that purely what you meant?

Because okay, good?

Yeah, Because I'm watching it, I'm like, oh, so we're only building up to this, Okay, cool.

This is a it's a frightening prospect, the idea of like, well, something we're watching, something that's happening in a different reality that is going to be very dangerous for our guys.

That they're giving away the location of Earth, our Earth in our reality, and we're watching how that has happened.

So cool, but I think you're using up forty odd minutes of a storyline to set that up.

Yeah, there's spoiler a little bit for next week.

There's just there's a random moment next week where they get a transmission.

Yeah, and they're like, oh, it's come from another universe and it's broadcasting the location of Earth.

That's it.

Yeah, right, so now the rape next week, the rath no where Earth is now?

I know, Hey, it's the multiverse, tens of thousands of billions of different options that we could go for.

But the way that these sort of stories movies and TV set to work, it's like if they refer to having interacted with one another before, it's like, oh, it's probably the same one that we saw, you know, Spider Man, No Way Home.

That's nothing to say that's our Toby Maguire from the three movies we've seen, or that's our Andrew Garfield.

But there's enough things that tick the boxes along the way that we're for the audio, for the audience that is, you know, we're trying to make the point that there are tens to the billions of the power of whatever our options out there, but we're going to say, yeah, these are actually the two that you were familiar with as an audience.

So the idea that we saw to Rodneys is that what we're meant to believe is when we had the two Rodney's, the alternate one is the one we followed in this episode.

No, no, no, So he's not rod He's right.

He's not the cool right, that's I thought, I'm like, I liked that guy.

Now you're a bit of a dick.

But that's Rodney.

But he referred to having interacted to who.

Yes, so this the Rodney in this episode obviously had a similar experience where a version of rod came and visited him.

Because this version of this version of McKay has never met John before.

This is the first time he met he's met John, whereas.

Rod Cool Rod obviously had his.

Best friends he works on a team with with Sheppard.

I forgot about that, Yes, yeah, I had.

I had to go back.

I had to go back and read some stuff about it.

So, yeah, that's what he was basically insinuating.

And that was the marvelous Missus Miller Miller h episode.

Yeah.

Yeah, So basically that's that's how this universe found out about other universes.

At some point a version of rod you know, another different showed up terminator style in that tube like on Atlantis.

Yeah, but in this version, Shepherd never never joined the Well that's edition.

That's kind of cool.

And yeah, if it's like, hey, well this is a different Rodney McKay that has never interacted with it's not that he's the one that's interacted with our Rodney McKay.

He hasn't even interacted with the other Rodney that interacted with our Rodney McKay.

It's just that similar things have happened to them along the way, so that expands in the old idea of a multiverse.

Actually, I actually like that.

Yeah, something that I did think was fun though, which I didn't know until I was sort of reading up the bits and pieces about it.

The Wraith guy like the Raith, that's Kayleik, that'member son of Anubis.

The Hello Richard or do you prefer Dick?

Yes, yes, same guy, same.

Mac Daniel Jackson.

Okay, yeah, I had no idea.

Can you like him a little bit more?

Because I love Kayley kyleek it's such a dick.

But yeah, I was like, that's such a weird thing to get him back and not have any lines and this be this weird Wraith.

Now I'm watching the Yeah, the weird Raith and like he's doing the make like it was.

It was a convince to make it what.

I'm sorry, but as a as a production studio that makes like TV shows and does make up, there is no way anybody even if you've got the.

The the immune system of a Wraith.

There's no way you're putting hand makeup on and then putting a contact in your eyeball.

Come on, the line must be drawn here this far.

No, don you think he should have had He should have had the contact lens hidden in his hand vagina and you could have just put it in like that.

Sterile in the Absolutely Okay.

I thought you're going to put sh on on just like how his makeup and it didn't look convincing enough.

Well that that works well for the character.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

What I thought was a little bit though, is when we do the flashbacks or whether to the first murder in the car?

What do you what?

Do you what do you think I was two up to?

I mean they were they were kind of parts.

I think we need one in the driver's seat there needy he needed money mate?

Oh yeah, yeah, he's He's like, do you do you wanna Do you want a blowjob, a hand job or a combo?

Because I can do it all with my hands.

Look at this thing.

Yeah, do you want a hand vagina job?

That's oh my god, it's not gay if it's a hand for a job.

And that's how he that's how he sucked the life out of him quite literally.

Yeah yeah.

I mean, if if you're gonna go, that's the way to go, I guess.

But I just know there are people that needing to get into this studio very soon, and they're probably in a place now where they can hear it.

Holy shit, that last minute would be the wildest thing.

Yeah.

Yeah, when he's putting on applying the makeup, which is good because I obviously had to have him in wraith makeup, but then apply human looking makeup and prosthetics to the wraith to the same.

Thing they did with Jack Nicholsons as.

The Joker mate can I I watched that last night.

I watched that movie last night, and I don't think I have ever given as much respect to how much prosthetics he was wearing.

It wasn't just like the heightened cheeks.

It's like all the way back, like yeah, there's a big sort of almost to his almost to his ears almost.

There was a side on shot when he's talking abob at one point and I'm like, oh my god, look how far back Anyway, That's just that's just weird that you brought that.

I literally was watching twelve hours ago, because you know, it's good Christmas viewing for my kids, because we don't get to Batman Returns Return Christmas, your favorite Christmas movie.

But I'm watching it and because I didn't I don't know actors, and and I'm trying to remember when this one was made, and I'm like, is that Sam whitwor like he just buy that?

Yeah?

Absolutely, He's got that really like pronounced sort of like the chin and the chin.

He's got a very strong facial structure.

Yeah, and just like his his brow above his eyes.

I'm like, that looks that's that's a maybe that's a what's what's a cloth Sommon version of Sam some some what work?

Maybe make it.

Ship up I'm in winter.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So well anyway, I was just like, oh, is this gonna be?

Is this gonna be mister star Wars himself?

Sam would bring him.

Back for the reboot, bring him back to the new show.

But I mean, like he did cut like a a Wesley Snipes blade type vampire look of like sexy.

He was a sexy wraith like walking through the streets of Vegas.

Long leather jacket.

Yeah, yeah, with the cool glasses and stuff.

Yeah, like the pale phasis.

I'm like, dude, you're either that or you one of the twins from the Matrix where you loaded I can taking their dreads out.

Yeah, because in any other show, you'd be like, really like, you're not gonna buy that guy's been a little bit off and he's walking around the streets of Vegas.

And also look at the style that that guy's cutting.

I'm not surprised that no one looked at him twice and went it's just like, yeah, you're one of the You're one of those people that just sort of sits in the middle of the of the CBD, you know.

But I also feel like, having never been to Vegas, I feel like he would have fit in better in either La or New York than he would have the desert of Vegas.

Yeah, yeah, definitely.

So yeah, So like I kind of liked what this was.

I just don't know that I where it comes down for me, Like it might not be down the bot.

I'm trying to think of where what we thought was clearly going to be our bottom place for our rank, which.

We'll do in a couple of episodes, Kelly gets turned into the.

Maybe I feel like there was one a little bit more recently, but maybe i've been re listening to the pods.

I'm not sure.

Anyway, I don't think I could confidently say this is not going to be my bottom episode.

I just think it the overall score that I might give it has been brought down a little bit because of its placing.

Knowing that next week is the final and I haven't seen the final episode yet, so it could make me feel worse about this episode given whatever's going to happen in that episode.

I don't know.

Yeah, it's definitely not a two part of any stretch of the imagination.

It's just a you know, this has a tiny correlation between sort of this and next week's episode.

Now, given that you're a fan of this episode, oh yeah, I'm going to guess that you didn't watch both versions of it, but you did watch the extended.

Well, I don't know that I had the option.

Because I didn't watch the extended I know that for a fact.

Oh really, yes, so I clicked on the DVD.

I watched it on the DVD.

Yeah, and it says extended episode.

Yea, there's no option for the other the non or the extended episode.

You just prayed have to be the extended Yeah, it was.

Only forty four minutes and twenty nine seconds, so like so maybe an extra minute maybe?

Yeah.

I was going to say, whether you knew what the what the difference was?

No idea, no idea.

So yeah, like with obviously with the last time we had an extended episode would have been Threads back in season eight of SG one, and I.

Feel like that was a full extra like ten to fifteen minutes or something.

Yeah, yeah, but this was just it was a.

Forty four minute, twenty nine second episode, and I'm like that same as next week.

I clicked on that and it's a forty three minute, fifty five episode and it calls it an extended episode, and I'm like, is that because forty two minutes is the normal run time?

Maybe?

Well, I promise I will commit to watching the DVD.

I'm not going to mess around by watching this on my phone or a laptop.

Like it's the finale, Like I'm already nervous about it, Like it's the end of a show.

Like when we got to the finale of you know, we get to unending for SG one.

It's like I remember this episode and it's sad that we're at the end of SG one, but I'd already seen that.

I haven't seen Stargate Atlantis.

So like for me, I'm doing something that you won't be able to experience until the end of this new show coming out in a couple of years, and I'm getting to have that now, Like what a selfish viewer.

I get to have this finale now in a year's time, I get to have the finale of Universe, and then maybe a year later again, I had to get to have the finale of whatever this new show is.

So it pays to be late sometimes.

That's what I always tell people.

Something that I was late to they mentioned in this episode, I never got to see it.

Oh he could have abandoned whatever resources you had and just gone into hiding.

Oh yes, you've probably got a job as a cleon at Star Trek the experience and shut down.

Really damn, I want to see that.

That was a That was a Robert Pocado edition for him saying it did shut down.

Oh really, Robert Pacado was part of that.

Yeah recorded videos.

He did that one and I think Borg Invasion or something like that in Yeah Vegas, the Star Trek Experiences and Yeah, they shut down.

That's actually kind of fun when I had that, Like I was, I was so moving about while watching this, and that made me stop and pause and looking him like, oh, come that he's going to have a field day with this.

Oh yeah, Hey, look, we don't often throw to or break.

We're going to throw to it now only because if we didn't, we're going to potentially sound very different the next thing we say, because we're actually getting kicked out of the studio and we're going to go record in a different studio.

But yeah, we get slightly different Mike and yeah, yeah, so if we sound different in thirty seconds, that's why.

Injured these ads.

Uh No, Ronan and Taylor this episode, which I thought was weird.

Yeah, I think I thought that was strange too.

Again, granted that we are two episodes to go, and it makes sense that we've got these two alien creatures that they would play no part.

It wasn't one of these things where it's like, oh, in this one, Hammond is the president and you know, Walter is the guy that works at the local convenience or anything like that, as it done an SG one before.

But yeah, again, just the idea of not having two of our main cast members.

I'm like, this just seems like a bit of a missed opportunity.

Guys, like, how do we.

Tell said last week?

This episode was filmed last which means Rachel and Jason would have rapped right on the show completely and weren't even there for the last week of production.

That's a bit I mean, I guess maybe you understand maybe that care because they get they're on holidays, but at the same time, the series is wrapped, the season, the series finale has been filmed, and then it's like, Okay, we're going to bring back most of you, like not a kick in the dick.

But all the white males, which was weird.

But maybe that's why.

You know, mamull remember when he did the commentary for like his episode, he just like cracked the beer or whatever.

He was, shit, I don't care, I'm still getting paid.

Maybe that's why, like he'd already wrapped by that point.

You said he filmed his final shots.

Yes, I like the idea of instead of it being his final shot, it's when they're recording an episode that doesn't need him and he's just like, good, I'm getting drunk, because yeah, it painted a bit of a not so much a grim reality of the stargates anything, let alone program on this Earth.

But obviously it worked out a little bit differently along the way.

Would that be Would that be fair to say, like I get there still over in the Pegasus galaxy, but they've traveled back because of what's going on on Earth, because yeah, at the start, I thought maybe the idea of having a wraith on Earth that is something that has happened in our reality.

But the guys are almost living through a fear like John's living through like his greatest fear or something in some type of miss like we've seen an SG one, which obviously wasn't the case.

But yeah, things have played out a little bit differently, but generally also they are playing out the same sort of way in this Pegasus.

But clearly it was going to get to it.

Well, the fact they were already on Earth, which was not something that's happening in our reality, was just like, oh, okay, they haven't.

They've not done something right, and more so for your sake, I wanted them to stop short of the idea of being like, well, maybe if John Shepherd had been here the whole time, that this none of this would have happened.

So, but it is.

The biggest plot hole for me is what I didn't understand is obviously, in this universe the Wraith had found Earth, there was an attack, like they did say, like there was a there was a hive that attacked yeah or whatever and this and this.

You know, Goth Wraith was kind of just the last one left.

So does that mean in that universe, because obviously we know that all the Hives don't necessarily work together, does that mean they were the only faction of Wraith that knew where Earth was and didn't want to share that information with the rest of the Wraith.

So then his last ditch effort, knowing he was the last one left, his plan was to let the Wraith of that universe know where Earth was as kind of a revenge.

But because of the explosion and all the stuff that happened, the secondary effect is that the message then got sent to multiple other realities universes.

Yeah, I mean so in a way.

John made it worse, hiffed over every reality, Whereas if they just let the Wraith get away with this plan, only that reality would have been.

Yeah, but I mean to each reality, it's the only you know what I mean, Like, we're not going to sacrifice the world we're currently sitting here in this studio and go, well, you know what, if we've got to be fine with annihilation because maybe another one of us out there will be okay, Like the same way I guess when we got on board that other Dadalus a couple of episodes ago, and we just saw another version of the SGA team dead, and it's like there's probably a room in there where they've all been dying.

I didn't feel sad about it.

That it sucks to be then, but I'm not otherwise feeling that bad for those guys because they're not they're not ours, which maybe goes into support your entire argument since they're but for the grace of God that because it's an alternative reality, we don't care about it, and that's not what I'm here to do.

I'm certainly not agreeing with that.

Also, if that message got out to all of or at least some other realities, did the message not get to the Wraith in that galaxy?

And is that galaxy like that universe now safe as well?

Anyway?

Like it's the equivalent of like, okay, you and I could step on an ant in the middle of the corn in the middle of the room.

But what that means is, in six months time, billions of ants overtake the entire planet and every other planet in the multiverlin every other earth in the multiverse by us stepping on this one ant.

So like, if if we just stepped on that and let let that ant do what it needed to do, you and I would die in six months time from the ants taking over.

But every other you know, reality, which they know exist in this universe, Yeah, every other reality is over.

But like it's a it's a weird it's a weird way to go.

But yeah, like I think I probably would have been more harsh on this episode had it been, like you were saying earlier, a dream sequence or some kind of you know, non real thing.

It's at least it is real in a way.

But yeah, very much like there, for the grace of God, I don't care because we never we never go back, We never revisit any of these people.

And presumably John dies at the end of this episode, yeah, where he's kind of just left their bleeding out.

That's how it's so good.

Yeah, which also, yeah, because you know, John loves to make a sacrifice.

Uh.

What was weird though, is the way he quit, like prior to that, when he like, just he stole all that Wraith money, all that evidence he stole that money, quit like a dick, just like walked out of his office without saying a thing to his captain and then just drove into the desert and was just like, I'm out of here, I'm done.

And then it was only because he figured.

It out through his little flashbacks, his little CSI flashbacks or his little little monk house style working out the thing.

He's like, oh, I'm going to go and stop this.

Wraith died in the process.

And over ever other reality.

So, I mean, I'd forgotten about the money thing he's taken, but here I was about to say, shy of even the it's condemning other realities, especially the one that I assume going into a series finale that I haven't seen yet that includes ours very much.

So outside of that, this world was saved by him because he didn't give up the SG whatever they were giving up.

They're like, I mean, who knows this seems bad?

He could be out there anywhere, like the amount of power that he needs doesn't even exist on this blood Ah, it'd be so much.

And it's like, nah, he's just near a PowerTower.

He's fine, he's just plugged into the grid and he'll be okay.

It's like, all right, cool.

He might be draining the entire of Vegas then okay.

They seem to not think there was enough power and like the continental United States or whatever.

But he's just you know, plugged it into a socket in the you know, from his from his meth lab in the middle of the Vegas desert.

Fine, whatever, But they were they were resound to not finding him almost they were almost okay that they were giving up, because well, what else can we do?

Whereas John did stop it and yeah, in the end got himself killed for it, but that earth, as far as we know, he got to survive because yeah, maybe so.

The transmission didn't get spread out in that universe.

It only when through like the.

That's what they said, right there was like a rip checked out.

Yeah, there was like a rip in the fabric of space time and that basically all the information got like straight into the rip and it didn't make it.

They said, we can guarantee, we can't be that we're not detecting these radio signals or whatever beyond the Solar System or beyond the Milky Way, So therefore it hasn't gotten to the Pegasus galaxy where Yeah, the wraith, but maybe.

The message only came to our reality.

Well, maybe maybe it didn't go over.

Every single reality because obviously when Rod goes through the the the what do they call it, the Miller Bridge or whatever it.

Is, he didn't go into every universe.

He just went into our universe.

So maybe the little thing the tear in in in subspace or the whatever that this raith did maybe next week where the only universe that got that signal.

Yeah, point, that's that's better, better than every single universe and the multiverse.

I guess wonder if it would have been cool on some I know that we're to assume.

I guess that many other SGA teams have died on that alternate dead list from the variations.

We don't know that we only saw one group, but we're to lead on there's probably a room down there with one hundred different ronans in there, just stacked on top of each other, because that's hot to begin with.

Obviously, was it last week that I said just chop up the pieces and was chop up the body and the pieces.

Jesus.

I've tried to forget it, but had they have insinuated that, I don't know.

I was going to say.

It was almost like not that it was their dead lists, but that their deadlists had gone missing or something to like, I guess then, is you are limiting that the scope of the multiverse if we insinuate, oh, we lost a team on some rogue deadalists, we know the multiverse exists, or our dead lists went missing and we haven't been able to find it.

We think it went to a different reality or something like that, because they may well of overshared because it was so interesting to see there was there was no precedent for why they were telling him everything.

Right that he gets brought in by Wolsey and then McKay walks in.

I was like, I'm going to tell him anyway, you know, and just like full Bond villain exposition heavy tells him everything and not even like hey, I'm going to tell you because or hey I think I can trust you, just everything.

For like fifteen minutes, it felt like and we're getting as an audience that's been watching our version of of SGA operate in a completely different way.

We're getting to hit the backstory of this world, and then only when he's about to get in his fucking car, he's like why, and he's like, oh, now, I there's a different version of you out there.

I'd like to think that that you'd be trustworthy as well.

So yeah, yeah, he was cool and yeah, and I figured you'd be the same type of guy.

So I'm like, that's a fucking gamble when you're talking about international and interstellar secrets here, guys.

I'll allow it because I know both of these characters, and I know that this John clearly is a version of trustworthy.

But like that that excuse a little thin.

He's also a thief because he stole all that money, so I.

Made drug money or something.

It's fine, blood money, it's right, yeah, yeah, but those people already they're already dead.

True.

True.

I didn't think it was weird though, with the Wraith, the fact that he chose to face plant, like when when John was chasing him after the after the poker game, and the Wraith like jumped off the roof to escape him.

Maybe it's a maybe you could argue, well, if he'd landed on his if he tried to do a superhero landing, his bones would have gone through.

His body or whatever.

But the fact that he just chose to face plant and like crack his skull on the on the concrete and then heal and then get up.

I was like, Trually, there's a cooler way to have done that.

I reckon he watched Men in Black when he was in his hotel room, and that's that that alien that Will Smith's chasing at the start where he doesn't also know anything about aliens, and that guy does some freaking dicky shit, and yeah, the idea of like, I'm going to do this because I'm pretty sure I'm going to be able to recover from this.

I mean only being that I wish I lived in the Many Black universe and this episode could have been.

Uilized, given me to realize yourself.

Yeah, but we got Walter, we got some Walter.

Always happy to see his Yeah when it pops up Gary Jones guest starring, and I'm like, fuck, yeah, let's just throw him in.

Why not at this point.

Have we seen him at all this season?

I don't.

I don't think so.

So his last episode would have been.

Unending.

And then I guess he was in Continuum.

Yeah, because who who we didn't get him in Oh no, that was last season anyway.

I was thinking of Midway.

Oh yeah, but that was last season.

That was last season.

So a few other little cameos we did get though, and if you look closely, when John is walking through the casino brad right, yes, yes, oh, I want to say the black jack table.

And then in the actual like the high stake secret game that the Wraith is a part of.

Yeah, one of the guys sitting there is Joel Goldsmith.

Oh nice, the composer who Brendan you know, did it did that great bit for for Jerry and Joel when we did what Continuum?

Yes, yeah, yeah.

So I think there were a few more others in there, but it was one of those instances where, yeah, they just got a lot of the behind the scenes, behind the camera people and put them into the episode.

Oh that's cool.

Yeah.

I'm gonna have to say it though, because in the finale of Deep Space nine they have a recurring holiday.

We have changed studios.

You know that I don't have on hand the ability to give you a that's one.

It's going to make you put it in in post.

It could be that's two to be fair because you played that audio where they talked about Star Trek.

But I'll allow that because the show gave that to us.

Yes, okay, but yeah, there is a recurring holiday program in Deep Space nine, which is vic Fontaine.

It's like a nineteen fifties Vegas casino kind of situation.

And in the final episode they go there and he sings a song and the crowd is full of the director and show runner and they're all dressed up as like nineteen fifties Vegas sort of people.

So did seem a little a little too on the nose for me.

Given that that was literally ten years before this nineteen ninety nine.

Well, finally of Deep Space ninals, I'm happy for you.

I mean, if I had anything else to talk about, I'd give you a that's three so that I could have a microphone turned off.

But we can just bowl mate.

I mean, it's nice and sure, but we can bail because we are excited about next week.

Well, I assume mine going to be.

I mean, it's a finale, regardless whether it's shit or it's great.

Yeah, it is something you know, like, you haven't teased Vegas that well, but I'm assuming that next week's finale is better.

I mean, anything could be better than this For me, at least, I think anything could be better than Vegas.

Will you commit to watching the end We're listening to the entire audio commentary?

Then, oh god, no for next week?

Oh no for next week?

Absolutely?

Absolutely?

Ye, so automatically better.

Oh yeah, I'm just trying to in my head, I'm going, what's worse this or like first Commandment?

You know what I mean.

That's where I'm okay.

I was thinking maybe again, although all these fanciful ideas that we have at the end of when we don't have episodes, or maybe we're padding for time between you know, universe and whatever this new series is going to be.

And I finally watched the first ones, and you finally have to listen to the audio commentary of Vegas.

Only if you watch the first ones and then watch the first ones with the Peter Delawize audio commentary that explains all the things that Shaku is saying, and then you go back and watched a third time knowing what Peter Delawie says about the episode.

If you do it, if you do that three times.

So if you watch first one three times, I'll listen to the full audio commentary of this once.

Is that deal?

At the start, I was like going, oh, I've clearly got the better end of the deal.

In the end, that's two hours of my life, Like, I could do worse.

And you know, you know that there's TV out there that I do watch more than once because I watch it next week the episode I'm like, Han, last week, I'm going to rewatch it.

I didn't have that sort of time, but I do find the time.

The flip side is, obviously I would quite happily watch the first ones once, then listen to the audio commentary, then watch it again, knowing what I've listened to the audio commentary.

I would rather do that than listen to the audio commentary of this episode.

Okay, maybe we should swop.

Time is a flat circle for me, you know what I mean.

So it doesn't matter.

I've got the time.

Two hours is nothing.

Two hours of enjoyment over forty minutes of absolute mind numbing this.

Come on, mate, I just like this.

Conversations you know, we have with each other, send each other voice notes and they go, oh man, I've been wanting to watch this one episode of TV for like six months, and I just keep like running out of time to do it.

And you go, ah, I'm currently watching three episodes of Star Trek that I know that I've seen eleven times each.

You know, I'm like, oh, can I just borrow a little bit of that time?

Like I don't have to steal it all?

Please that?

Or I could recommend you watching some stuff for the first time through, but you know, I don't want to yuck your gum.

You do a little bit, You do a little bit.

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