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The Late Debate | 19 November
Episode Transcript
General.
Speaker 2Welcome to the Wait to pay a good evening.
I'm James Macpherson with Caleb Bond and freyer Leitch coming up tonight.
The New Zealand government bans puberty blockers for children until more is known about the effects, which begs the question why is our government such a laggard in protecting children?
A song written and performed entirely by Ai tops the billboard charts?
Is this the end for the music industry?
And the UK politicians have worn that their staff and family members are being targeted by Chinese spies offering large financial incentives for information.
We'll get to all of that shortly, but first, can you name one thing the ABC is good at?
Well, there is one thing, actually, cricket.
The ABC summer cricket coverage has always been second to none, But wouldn't you know it, now the ABC have gone and managed to stuff up even that.
News today that former test cricketing great Glenn McGrath has been dumped from the ABC's commentary team this season because of his links to betting agencies.
Now that doesn't mean McGrath is a gambler.
Glenn McGrath's charity that raises money to help women with breast cancer is sponsored by BET three six five and the ABC have decided this violates their policy that no one on the national broadcaster can be associated in any way with betting agencies.
Now the irony here, Caleb is the ABC don't seem to have that many scruples, but when they do decide to take a principal stand, it's to penalize a man for doing no more than everything he can to help women in need.
Can you believe this?
Speaker 3Ridiculous, isn't it?
Speaker 1And by the way, having a punch, just what's happened to my collar there?
Why didn't anyone tell me.
Speaker 3About that before I came on here?
Speaker 1It's just a good Aussie past.
I have a part most people.
Speaker 3I get there are.
Speaker 1People out there who are addicted to gambling, just like there are people who are addicted to alcohol.
But we understand that the wine is integral to this country, and we sell a shed load of wine to China, and we encourage that.
Governments encourage that.
There's in trade delegations overseas to encourage that.
Speaker 3Do you reckon?
The ABC would turn around.
Speaker 1And say, well, because you are involved in the wine industry which causes social ills to some degree.
Speaker 3You're not allowed on the ABC.
Speaker 1No, they wouldn't do that, but they've decided for some reason that gambling is extra evil.
And so Glenn McGrath, who raises money for his McGrath Foundation because his wife died of breast cancer, and he funds breast care nurses that go out and do excellent work in remote parts of the country.
In many cases, people who otherwise wouldn't have someone there to care for them because of the McGrath Foundation can get someone on the clock who comes around and helps them anytime of the day or night.
And bet three six' five sees fit to sponsor his mcgra day at The Sydney test and he does a bit of work for them in exchange as well ops up on the website every now and.
Speaker 3Again there's a video.
Speaker 1On their social media at the moment with him talking about the upcoming.
Ashes oh, no, no, no, no you can't be a commentator on THE abc.
ANYMORE i just find it outrageous you would not, that only that you would do that to such a great Of australian cricket And australian.
Speaker 3Sport but a man who is raising money for.
Speaker 1Breast cancer and he just happens to take it from the wrong Mod.
Speaker 4Well it's also highly hypocritical because The ashes themselves are sponsored By bett three six y.
Five they're a gold partner Of Cricket.
Australia they're branding is on a lot of the sides of the.
Stadium so THE abc is happy to broadcast an event and profit off an event that is sponsored by.
Gambling but god, forbid one of its commentators has a completely separate personal relationship that is for, charity As caleb, says with one of these, companies then that's not okay if they were consistent and applied this rule.
Consistently, well why is THE abc broadcasting The?
Ashes why are they broadcasting any sport that has any link to, gambling because that would seem to be a more direct relationship than some guy whose charity gets money from a gambling.
Speaker 5Company makes no, sense.
Speaker 2Makes no sense at, All AND i, mean if you want to get, technical THE abc uses taxpayer.
Money taxes come from the tobacco industry from the sale of, alcohol as you pointed, out so not that many taxes from the tobacco, industry diminishing TAX i saw you, smile AS i, said so it's a ridiculous stance for the AB c to.
Hold, nevertheless the cricket season will go.
Ahead it starts On friday In, Perth australia Versus.
England the highlight of The Summer test, series, however is always The Boxing Day test In.
MELBOURNE i remember it as a kid and my dad took me to a game AND i said, Please, dad and he.
Agreed we sat In bay, thirteen which is the place to watch cricket at THE.
Mcg it's where they have a lot of fun and there's been some incredible high lights over the.
Years remember back in the, Eighties murhughs would field down on the boundary in front Of bay.
Thirteen remember this footage with the crowd Mimicking murhus's warm up.
Exercises mervehugh's standing in front Of bay thirteen and there's a bit of MINIGAME i think the wave.
Is and then in nineteen ninety NINE i think it was you might correct.
ME i think it was nineteen ninety.
Nineties the crowd In bay thirteen started throwing bottles onto the, field outraged at The english team and they couldn't stop.
It in, fact they almost needed to call the game.
Off but then someone, said Get warny out of the dressing rooms onto the field to go to talk to all the crowd In bay.
Thirteen and here's what.
Speaker 6HAPPENED i think he's asked shame want to us the crowd to settle.
Down he's gonna put the helm on on.
Speaker 5Ha it's very, sad.
Speaker 6Be very sad if the game doesn't go.
Speaker 2On So bay thirteen is very much a part of, cricket especially The Boxing Day.
Test, well THE mcg has gone and Allowed british cricket tourists to book all the seats In bay, Eleven bay twelve And bay, Thirteen so for the first time in An ashes, Series bay thirteen won't be occupied By.
Ossie's it'll be entirely occupied by THE Bami.
Army now this is Completely.
UnAustralian could you, Imagine, freyer if you went to watch The ashes In?
Lords do you reckon that Allow ossie cricket tourists to occupy the members stand At lord's not a.
Chance why we're letting The poms HAVE b Thirteen i'm not.
Speaker 4Sure and is it a matter of they just they were, organized they knew the.
Prize bay thirteen they wanted to get.
There maybe it's actually a psychological tactic to psych out The australian.
Side there's something going on here AND i don't like.
It that is our, Spot that is a place of Iconic australian sporting moments and it should remain that.
Way this is clearly a tactic to destroy our side from within by taking our Prize bay, thirteen AND i don't think we should stand for.
Speaker 1IT i, mean if you can't be a hooligan at the cricket, anymore what's gone wrong with the?
PLACE i can you would have been a real hooligan as a kid In bay thirteen WHEN.
Speaker 3I can see you there is one of those bloody bottle.
Speaker 2THROWERS i.
RECKON i was seven or eight years old and a guy ripped off all his clothes and jumped the fence round out of the.
Field and you, know when you're little, kid you, go, yeah distinctly remember doing that In.
Bath so the funny thing is that it's the worst place to sit right because the sun yeah on you all.
Day so The Bamie army and The english are famously.
Pale there will be a lot of lobsters.
Speaker 1Pay for, it and deservedly so for Taking bay thirteen away from.
Us though having said, that if anyone knows how to get on the source and be a bit of a nuisance Its, poms so.
Speaker 3They may well fit in quite well In bay.
Speaker 1Thirteen but you, know we need to go back to the old days WHERE i don't know what it was like at THE mcg But Adelaide oval you used to be able to take an eski in and you could take your own beers.
In Right the only you, know the only ground left in the world cricket ground where you can take your own grog in Is lords and they ALLOW i think it's one bottle of wine per person per day OR i think three, beers AND i think we should bring that.
BACK i know all the stadium management authorities would get upset because they'd run out of revenue from people paying fourteen dollars for a, beer WHICH i will be doing at The Adelaide test very.
Shortly don't you worry about?
That but never, mind the actually starts On friday And PERTH i can not.
Wait so while we're talking About, melbourne, though interesting little story out Of melbourn over the last couple of days where a school down There Malona, college which is a co ed.
School it's come out it's called a bit of a raucus because they have decided that next year their four school captains will all be.
Speaker 3Girls it is a co ed.
Speaker 1School in, fact fifty four percent of the students are, boys but all of the school captains will be.
Girls and WHEN i first read, THIS i, thought, well you, know really gives a.
TOSS i, mean surely they're elected by their.
Peers if they've had an open and fair election and the students have chosen four, girls well that's just, meritocracy.
Right but it turns out that the four school captains were actually chosen by the previous four school, captains so the twenty twenty five captains got to choose the twenty twenty six.
Captains the school captains this year comprised of three girls and one.
Speaker 3Boy apparently they.
Speaker 1Had some sort of application process and then from this they picked the ones that they wanted to be the school captains for the next.
Year so on that, BASIS i do think it is a little bit unfair if it's a co ed.
School, sure and the school argues that it was a meritocracy that they were these girls were chosen on, merit they were the best ones who put their hands up for the.
Job but when you've got a selection panel of the current school captains who then get to pick the next school, CAPTAINS i, mean, LOOK i hate to go back to the school, yard but you, know you'd wonder do they pick?
Mates have all sorts of things come into.
It if it's free and fair and that's who the whole school has, CHOSEN i wouldn't have a problem with.
It but if they're being chosen by a select, few surely the more than half of the school being, boys deserve some representation on the student representative.
Speaker 2Body even if it was a free and fair election of all the, STUDENTS i would still have a problem with it because school captains have traditionally always been you have a male captain and you have a female.
Captain since eighteen hundreds when school captains was introduced In english, schools it's always been that.
Way could you imagine if the four captains in this school In, Mitchen victoria were all?
Males could you imagine the?
Outcry what is ironic to me is gender Equality.
Victoria were asked about, this now you know gender Equality, victoria and they, said this is a great win for, meritocracy so all of a, sudden they're all in favor of.
Merit, basically this school is saying we are failing in the education of boys if they can't find a single male in that school who is worthy of being a captain or even a vice.
Captain if you had a, son would you want to send your kid to that?
Speaker 4School, WELL i mean that's the thing you, Said, well this is an example of, merit but there should be there should be men up.
Speaker 2There but then if the male captaincy was a, Female.
Speaker 4But then isn't that the same argument that people use to support quotas in The Liberal party or quotas in any aspect on, boards for, Example.
Speaker 2It's different because you traditionally have a male and a female.
Speaker 4Captain so why why should that be the?
Tradition it's always been that, way it hasn't.
Speaker 5Been can it be about Merit if we're.
Speaker 2Ditching the boy as the boys captain and you have the best girl as the girls.
Speaker 5Okay well it's.
Speaker 4Merit my problem with this IS i think it should be about merit and it shouldn't really depend on.
Gender BUT i think what this does demonstrate is that women are outperforming, men or young women are outperforming young men.
Speaker 5In, schools and this is a huge.
Speaker 4Problem boys are failing naplan at double the rate of.
Women sixty percent of undergraduate students are.
Women women are completing university at higher rates than.
Men they're out earning men in their, twenties and this is a huge.
Challenge SO i think what this does.
Demonstrate, yes maybe they were picked on, merit and good on.
Them i'm sure they're formidable women in their own, right but it does demonstrate something deeper and more, sad which is what's happening to all the.
Boys and, again when three out of the four selectors the previous captains were, women are they choosing women because they feel kind of like an affinity with other members of their own.
Speaker 5GENDER i think.
Speaker 4So and, unfortunately as institutions become dominated by, women you do tend to see classically feminine traits elevated above classically masculine, traits so things like agreeableness become more.
Rewarded and another aspect is as.
Well when schools become dominated by women in leadership roles like principles and, executives students then see that as the ideal form of, leadership and might then subconsciously go women a better place to be leaders than, men and THEREFORE i want a female school captain over a male school.
Speaker 5Captain so it might be.
Meritorious i'm sure it, is but it does say a lot about what's happening to, boys AND i guess.
Speaker 3It also depends what you think the role of the school captain.
Speaker 1Is you, KNOW i do with some bog standard to public, school nothing against the high school if you happen to be.
Speaker 3Watching so we didn't have all of that sort of.
Speaker 1Business but if the point of the school happens to some degree that they are meant to be role, models then there is an argument that you need a gender mix because if they're the students you should look up, to and the school comprises of fifty four percent.
Boys not to say that boys cannot look up to other, girls but there are just as girls like to look to female role, models males also like to look to male role, models and they're often denied that in their teachers because there are far more female teachers than there are male.
Speaker 3Teachers and so.
Speaker 1There's a good argument that they ought to have some male students to look up to as, well and so when you, say well the cream of the crop and the school is all, girls regardless of whether or not that that may will be, true but it only perpetuates this problem of boys doing worse than.
Speaker 6Girls.
Speaker 2YEAH i think the issue is not that they elected four.
Girls the issue is at the, school for whatever, reason chose to do away with the tradition of a male captain and a female.
CAPTAIN i think it's a bad.
Speaker 4Idea, yeah, well it's pretty Sad New zealand though some very good news for young.
People The New zealand government has stopped prescribing or allowing the prescription of puberty blockers for.
Speaker 5Children the leader Of New Zealand.
Speaker 4First, party which is in a governing coalition with The New Zealand National, Party Winston, peters said today the government has announced it is halting any new prescribing of puberty.
Blockers New Zealand first was the only party that campaigned around the country about stopping the use of puberty blockers in, children.
Speaker 5And we never stopped fighting to make this.
Speaker 4Happen it is common sense to put a pause on these unproven and potentially damaging drugs for children until we assess the results of the clinical trials in THE uk once it's.
COMPLETED i, mean this is a huge win for vulnerable children In New.
Zealand and the truth Is New zealand is now joining a growing number of countries that is putting a halt on this, experimental potentially very damaging.
Treatments we've got THE, uk all of The nordic, countries THE, us everyone is moving in the direction of saying hold, on we have gone way too far.
Here the truth is kids can't consent to this.
Stuff if you're not old enough to get a, tattoo why are you old enough to change your, gender or get a double misectomy or go on puberty blockers that potentially have long term impacts on your.
Speaker 5Fertility children don't understand these.
Concepts so good On New.
Speaker 2Zealand, YEAH i, mean we've got the ridiculous situation now In australia where a kid is too young and immature to go On, instagram but is perfectly able to decide to change, genders which would require potentially surgery and certainly pharmaceuticals for the rest of their.
Life it's just not a smart.
Move and you wonder why is The australian government stuck on this and refusing to acknowledge that there are very serious, questions and that's being generous about this.
Treatment you wonder if it's that they are more afraid of activists than they are of harming.
Children that's the simple reality as it occurs to.
Speaker 1Me, indeed AND i went to the FIRST cask, conference it's a Coalition Advancing Scientific care In, ADELAIDE bet a month ago and maybe a bit over a month, ago that looked at all of this gender medicine from a well largely from a gender critical.
Perspective and there was a, Pediatrician dylan's his first.
Name the surname suits me at this, moment but he spoke about and he was, excellent and he spoke about the fact that this is the only form of healthcare where we actually create some sort of hormonal imbalance in a.
Patient in any other, circumstances if you have a hormonal, imbalance you go to a doctor and a doctor does something to fix.
That and this is in fact where we inflict it upon the patient because we, believe for some reason or another that mentally doing physical damage to a patient is actually the best thing for, them and the potential long term effects of this are stark and the studies are.
Ongoing of, course we know what happened with The cash report in THE.
Uk we know That, queensland thank, god is the only place here In australia that has slapped a ban on puberty blockers temporarily.
Anyway but you know it affects the bone, density, RIGHT i, mean going through puberty causes so many important things to happen in your, body to develop your adult, body bone, density, hormones all sorts of things that are terribly important to your.
Development and we put a drag in your body that halts all of, that and we're meant to believe that that does not or could not cause any.
Speaker 3Damage to a human.
BEING i, mean that is simply.
Speaker 1Impossible again that the science is catching up with, this and the rest of the world is catching up with.
This why Is australia so far?
Behind when you've got across the, ditch you know one of our closest neighbors is doing away with.
Speaker 3It we've got our closest ourllies over.
Speaker 1In THE uk doing away with this, stuff and we are by and large still In australia pretending that all is.
Normal we're not looking at what's happening in the rest of the.
World there's nothing wrong with gender affirming.
Care it's the best thing to.
Do lop off your breasts.
Whatever largely that happens to, ADULTS i should.
Note but STILL i just cannot get over how far behind the eight ball we, are AND i reckon in a year two years, time we will be sitting, here not us because we're talking about it, now but a lot of people will be sitting here, going my, god we got that really.
Speaker 2Wrong and of course there is one notable exception In, australia and that is THE lnp government In, queensland who've copped a lot of flak for taking a stance on this.
Issue but good on.
THEM i wish other state premiers would take a lift out of their.
Book let's talk about the music, industry because everyone's SAYING ai is going to transform every part of, society but it's also going to turn culture on its.
Head more and more music in particular is produced by artificial.
Intelligence in, fact the number one song on The country Charts Billboard charts right now is a song Called Walk My, walk which is entirely produced the, lyrics the, music and the voice by artificial.
Intelligence have a listen and see if you like.
Speaker 3It you can gig.
Speaker 6Ups if you don't like HOW i.
Speaker 1Talk i'm on key on talking and walk my hate changing my, tone hate changing my.
Speaker 5SONG i was born this Will we've been allowed too long.
Speaker 2Now it sounds pretty hollow and soulless to, me but maybe that's an.
Anomaly have listened to another.
One this is Called dust on The wind again by A ai band Called Velvet, sundown which is really not the, band it's just a.
Computer four hundred Thousand spotify downloads in a month for, This.
Speaker 6NO pas found really.
Speaker 2Rare the drum's.
Speaker 3Wrong, also.
Speaker 6Tell, me, brother where do we?
Speaker 2GO i listened to?
That it's.
Soulless you listen to the, lyrics it's just sort of meaningless.
Rhyme and yet people are listening to this.
Stuff LIKE i, said the first clip we, played that's the number one song on The billboard charts right.
Now is it that people can't tell the, difference or is it the people really just don't care that?
Much and music is kind of.
Music it's in the background and you just play.
Speaker 5It that was just so.
Speaker 4BORING i, mean you listen to that and it's, like, YEAH i can tell this is written BY.
Speaker 5Ai it's got a nice.
Beat you're kind of, like, oh it's.
Speaker 4A bit, groovy but it's.
Boring it's nothing.
New it clearly a computer generated.
That so if you want to listen to boring stuff that will sort of put you to, sleep then go for.
Speaker 5It listen TO ai.
Music but that's not.
Art it really, isn't.
Speaker 4AND i don't think that's going to like, hope it doesn't replace artists because artists create and artists reflect the human.
Experience that's something you cannot capture in a.
Computer BUT i will push back on you a little bit, There, JAMES i think there is actually ONE ai generated song that everyone should stream twenty four to seven.
Speaker 6And brain On God.
Speaker 7News shouting through them to the Same we hold them to a count every promise in every clan With james Kal, Fraids God, News Land voiceless be.
Speaker 2On plane that.
Speaker 4Quality if we get enough positive audience, feedback we may be able to release that On Spotify stage tune, guys maybe.
Speaker 3Stream that twenty four to.
Speaker 1Seven if you hate yourself and you wish you weren't, alive this IS i am so upset about.
THIS i, mean what was that?
One dust on the?
Wind and the last lyric replied was you, know, brother where do we?
Speaker 3Go we're on a highway to?
HELL i.
THINK i, mean this is so.
Speaker 1Sad and this is the, question as you, ask is it because people don't care that it's generated BY?
Ai or can they not tell the difference between THE ai and the real?
Thing BECAUSE i have to admit some of it is pretty, lifelike and.
Speaker 3You, listen but you've got to listen from.
It you get something just doesn't seem quite.
Speaker 1Right it's a little too.
PERFECT i know everything's auto tuned to buggery, now but something's just a little too perfect or isn't quite.
Right And i've noticed this now On spotify in, particular and that's where these two songs have taken.
Speaker 3Off you can.
Speaker 1Get a playlist every, week what's it Called Discover, weekly and it just gives you a playlist of twenty or thirty songs that it thinks you might, like and it changes every.
Week AND i like to tune in of A monday and see what it's chosen for, me AND i, go like that song And i'll put that in a playlist and stuff increasingly it is giving ME ai generated.
SONGS i reckon the other, DAY i turned that playlist on and the first five songs it played.
Speaker 2Were Aar how did you know that they were?
Speaker 1On, WELL i picked up that something didn't seem quite, right and then you go and have a.
Look the telltale sign is you click on the artist that the graphic that the artwork is usually some sort of nondescript, thing and it'll have some rubbish, name and when you click on the, artists it'll, say you, know everything that they put up was put up in twenty twenty, five and there won't be a photo of an actual human, Being and then you're pretty sure IT'S.
Ai and there's so many of.
Them AND i was driving into work and this was going, on and by the Time i'd gone through five of these, SONGS i was like about to ram up the arts of the person in front of.
Me because music is meant to speak to as you say about, art it is meant to.
Speaker 3Speak to the human.
Speaker 1Experience it's meant to be touched by and created for human.
Beings it's meant to communicate things and emotions that we cannot put into normal, words that can only be expressed through.
Music it's me to make you feel.
Emotions if you feel.
Speaker 3Sad you listen to sad, music you listen to happy.
Music that's what music is.
Speaker 1For going to see a, concert to see someone perform, live to see.
Speaker 3The brilliance of someone you.
Speaker 1Know you go and See Billy joel played, piano, MAN i mean that would be heaven for, you, Right.
Speaker 2Yeah you travel the world to see exactly.
Speaker 3Exactly but now we've GOT ai.
Music who wants?
Speaker 2That there is one?
Exception, Okay so there's a poet who lives IN i Think, mississippi and she writes, poetry but she can't, sing can't write, music so she's been putting her poetry to music VIA.
Ai she's just been given a three million dollar record contract by a recording.
COMPANY i went and listened to that this.
START i got to admit it was actually very.
Good BUT i think the difference was this her lyrics were brilliant rot and the lyrics were about the pain of her.
Life and the music was actually pretty.
Good it was ALL ai, produced but there was that human.
Dimension and the other THING i think IS i knew that she had a person had written the.
Lyrics so this was from another human beings, experience and so it meant, something WHEREAS ai is just meaningless because it's just it's.
Speaker 4Generated and there is one telltale sign that you can always hear in AN ai generated, song and it's that the singer never takes a.
Speaker 5Breath you can listen to.
Speaker 4That they go through the whole, verse the whole, chorus and they're just still, going putting out these perfect notes without a single.
Breath it just removes the character and soul from.
Speaker 1Music i'll tell you someone who seems to want to excelerate to all THIS ai.
Speaker 3Music that's The Sydney Lord Mea Clover.
Speaker 1Moore because The Sydney City council recently made a decision that you couldn't busk where you wanted In sydney.
Anymore, previously the rules were you could busk anywhere as.
Speaker 3Long as it was safe to do.
Speaker 1So but, no along comes the party Pooper clovermore and she, says can't do that.
Anymore and they slapped all these restrictions On George street and said you could only busk in six special places that they, chose and you had to apply for a permit in order to do.
Speaker 3It if you don't apply for the.
Speaker 1Permit we'll send you a fine because of course we need to find more ways to revenue.
Speaker 3Raised right, well thank.
Speaker 1God the men's government In New South wales has turned around and, said clovermore up, yours how dare you do?
This and they have now designated sixteen new sites.
Speaker 3In THE cbd where you can go and.
Speaker 1BUSK i, mean they're basically, look it's not the same as once where you could busk.
Anywhere but the state government is coming in over the top and, saying, look if you're going to be that restrictive about, it we're just going to make our own.
Speaker 3Rules bugger.
Speaker 1You because of, course busking is where so many musicians.
Start Now i'm not necessarily SAYING i Like tones AND i because it's not my cup of, tea But tones AND, i who was a hugely Successful australian, artist started as a.
Buscer it's where so many people get their.
Stuff they can go out and peddle their wares in front of the.
Public some of them sell CDs and where every now and again you stop and you, go, jeez isn't this.
Nice i'm walking through the city and there's some nice.
Music it lifts your mood during the.
Day But Clover moore, says, no can't have.
That so thank god the state government, says, actually you should be able to play music in.
Speaker 2Public the other thing about, busking it does lift your mood if it's, good and if it's really, bad it's highly.
Entertaining way you.
Win the irony here is That Clover moore is all about stimulating activity and culture within THE cbd and then she shuts down.
Busking she's having to reconsider this decision and says she will because there's been such a.
Backlash speaking of, backlash it's been reported that the complaints they got about buskers On George street which led to the band From Clover, moore five people had made MORE PuF of the complaints to.
Counsel so this is another example of a few wines and whiners getting way more attention than they should ever have, gotten and everybody else has to pay for.
Speaker 5It that's always how it.
Speaker 4Is it's the, nimbi's it's the anti fund that team up with the anti fund, counsel The Police.
Society for the rest of, us it is.
Horrible thank, Goodness Chris means is like the one sensible labor premiere in the history Of australia.
Speaker 5And has actually.
Speaker 4Gone this is ridiculous And i'm Glad clovermore is now under pressure to reverse.
This but, seriously how did we get here in the first.
Place but more controversy over in THE uk this time a bar In Greater manchester has some very strange entry.
Speaker 5Requirements one of them is that.
Speaker 4They will not accept people entering the bar by.
Speaker 5Themselves you have to be in a.
Speaker 4Group they will not let you come in if you are a singular.
Individual here is the owner of the bar explaining why.
Speaker 8If someone is on their, own and it means that they're not with someone, else so if something happens to that person in a late, night busy bar environment where people are, drinking it's an absolute nightmare for us to deal.
With it also happens to be the case that sometimes if you let people in on their, own there's the reason why they're on their own is that they've got them one to talk.
To they start maysing other groups because they're not just going to sit there in a bar having a drink on the road in, silence and that's when things starts, happening and people, like who's this person on their own annoying.
Speaker 5Us SO i.
Speaker 4Guess what he's really trying to say through that is, basically if you try to go to a bar on.
Speaker 5Your, own you're a, loser and.
Speaker 4We don't want you in here because then you're going to try to talk to people and people will realize you're a, loser and we don't want.
Speaker 5Losers that's not.
Speaker 2True that's not what he's said at.
Speaker 5All basically what he said a couple of.
Speaker 2Points, firstly his, bar his.
Rules we always, promote you, know it's your businessp right to run the way you.
Speaker 5Want so there's, that but we can criticize.
It but he's.
Speaker 2Providing a service for people who don't want to be annoyed by that person who's gotten too drunk and they're looking for someone to talk.
Speaker 1To.
Speaker 2You do you remember a Night, YEAH i can tell you.
REMEMBER i know the half for the late.
Debate, you myself And Liz Store we all went down to a local pub and we had a drink and there was this guy who'd had far too many and he was on his own and desperate for someone to talk, too and we could not get rid of, them and it was getting more and more awkward until finally security came, off saved, us and moved him.
On that's what this guy is trying to protect people.
FROM i think it's fair, enough.
Speaker 1Yeah BUT i mean look in those, instances security should just intervene a lot.
Earlier but you are, right it is his.
Bar he can do with it what he.
Wishes And i've always, said you, know a private business should be able to Say i'm not letting you in BECAUSE i don't like.
Speaker 3The fact you've got blue hair or that you've got green.
EYES i really don't.
Speaker 1Care it's your, business your, rules go for.
It what annoys me about, it, though is THAT i think it speaks to a general societal decline in aid the way we drink and be the way we meet.
People BECAUSE i get, it if someone is drunken, DISORDERLY i mean they should just be kicked out of a venue, anyway they shouldn't even be there annoying other.
Speaker 3People but how you meant to meet people these?
Speaker 1DAYS i, mean what the hell is a bar for if you can't go in on your own and sit down and find someone else to have a drink.
WITH i, mean for time, immemorial that is how people have met each.
Speaker 3Other it's how couples.
Speaker 1Meet they go to, pubs they go to a nightclub, whatever they have a.
Pash next, thing they're off and married and having, kids and you meet at.
PARTIES i, mean my parents meet at a.
Party this is how.
Speaker 3Things have always been.
Speaker 1Done and now we have someone SAYING i don't want people meeting in my, bar AND i get, it he's well within his rights to do, that BUT i think that's kind of sad that we're now creating spaces that are off limits for.
Speaker 3You to go in and have a drink on your.
Speaker 1Own by the, way sometimes a solitary drink is actually a really enjoyable thing to do if you don't want to be bothered by anyone else in the, world and you want to go and take a book to the pubbles, like why?
Speaker 3Not why?
Not why?
Speaker 2Not you get all the single people hanging around the steps outside waiting for people to come, out and.
Speaker 3Can we pretend?
Together all, Right we're.
Speaker 2Going to go to THE, uk where a shocking legal case has just confounded everybody associated with.
IT a mom has gone to court wanting to change the surname of her six year old, daughter and you can kind of understand why she might want to change her daughter's.
Surname mum is estranged from the, husband who has a history of sexual abuse against the, mum including a conviction of raping the.
Mother not only, that but the father of the girl had threatened to kill the mum in her sleep with a knife and to kill their daughter as.
Well this man has not had anything to do with his daughter since she was two years.
Old she's now.
Six mom wants to change the girl's, surname presumably so they can get on and forget this, loser deadbeat dad who's been hell for.
Them but the judge has ruled that the mother can't change her daughter's surname because it's the only link she has to her, father and so it's very important that the name be.
Kept this to, me is a massive overreach of judicial, authority and if, anything it perpetuates the abuse that the father has already committed on the girl by settling her with a surname that no one in good conscience would want for.
Speaker 4HER i totally understand the.
Concern, however these cases are very.
Complex there wasn't from my reading of this, case there wasn't a conviction of sexual abuse it was found at a civil standard of, proof so on the balance of probabilities in a civil.
Court it was a fact finding exercise by the family.
Speaker 5Court nothing.
Speaker 4Criminal the allegations only appeared after the husband initiated divorce.
Proceedings that's a classic tactic that's been used in the family court by often by women who want to remove their child from the custody of the.
Father and SO i do understand the, concern BUT i would say our court system has become so anti father in the family court, system THAT i understand why the judge would, say, no you should actually preserve a link to your.
Dad you should opt for contacts where you can like that is a very important, relationship even if it's, hard even if it's, Difficult depriving a child of their father is not a good, solution especially when there's nothing criminal that's been actually.
Speaker 1Convicted there are absolutely circumstances where a child should be deprived of their father if a father is.
Abusive AND i know someone who deals with these cases in the family and assesses these cases in the family, court and it is exceedingly hard and difficult.
Work and in most, cases you look for a solution for a child to be able to have a link to both, parents but there are situations where that is simply not, possible and the father has been barred by law from having contact with the mother and the daughter for the past four.
Years SO i think the mum has a legitimate.
Speaker 4Argument, Yes but What i'm saying is that it's complex and it's easy to look at this and, go, oh of, course you know they should change the last.
Name but we also have to acknowledge that men are being treated really badly in our family courts.
Speaker 1System that is true to some, degree but you, know in some, CASES i think the kid should just be able to get on with her.
Speaker 3Life, hey quickly before we get to the.
Speaker 1Brag while we're in THE uk as, WELL MPs or relations of and their staff is being targeted By chinese.
Speaker 3Spies would you believe?
Speaker 1It say it ain't, So, Caleb yes it is.
True but they're offering the latest reports our large financial incentives now to get deep throats on, board be they advisors to MP's family members OF MPs for.
Speaker 3Pretty low level.
Speaker 1Information seemingly this is coming from M i five because they, think, well if we can get them on board at the lower end and we'll give them a lot of money to do.
It then we'll just slowly work on, them and then we'll get state secrets and the pillow talk and all this sort of stuff out.
Them these are the people That Anthony albanezi says are our.
Friends and you, know sometimes you keep your enemies close and your friends clos your enemies.
Closer you, know we've got to be really stick about What china is and What china.
Does as much as they may be a great trading, partner they're doing this in THE.
Speaker 3Uk do you think they're not doing it In.
Speaker 2Australia absolutely they.
Are we're going to go to the.
Break when we come, back we'll look at what's making headlines, tomorrow including the shocking story of a ninety one year Old victorian woman denied an ambulance after a horrific.
Fall will show you that story after, This welcome back to the.
Program let's take a look at what's making headlines in tomorrow's.
Papers we'll start With The Herald's, son a shocking.
Story the headline, reads not sick enough only ambulance in area refuses to take ninety one year old with brain bleed to hospital after horror.
Fall the story reads that the family of a ninety one year old great grandmother is furious as you would, be after she was forced to make her own way to hospital despite suffering a broken pelvis and bleeding on the brain in a.
Fall, now she was attended to by, paramedics but they advised the lady and her family that they were the only ambulance in the region and therefore couldn't take her on the eight minute drive to The Warrigal.
Hospital, NOW i just need to warn you it's quite disturbing the image we're going to.
Show but let's just blow up that photo so you can see the extent of this ninety one year old lady's.
INJURIES i, mean, clearly she's been so badly hurt from this.
Fall AS i, said attended to by, paramedics but then told you and your family will have to get yourself to hospital where the only ambulance we can't take.
You it was only an eight minute.
Drive we do that for a ninety one year.
Speaker 5Old this just.
Speaker 4Shows you THAT i think the state Of, victoria, unfortunately this is not an uncommon story that we hear coming out of the, state where the health system and particularly the ambos are so stretched that they can't even drive you eight minutes down the road when clearly she's had a horrific, fall she's broken her.
Pelvis so what a ninety one year old woman with a brain bleed and a broken pelvis is expected to get in her car and drive herself or what get an uber public?
TRANSPORT i, mean how ridiculous Is this is the basic function of the state to care for the most, vulnerable and they have.
Speaker 5Failed it's just.
Speaker 1EXTRAORDINARY i, mean The drui And warrigal area isn't.
Small it's a reasonable town.
Center it's got a, hospital it's got nursing homes and whatever.
Else so there is demand for ambulances and there's one ambulance, available and on that basis they can't take a ninety one year old woman with a brain.
BLEED i, mean clearly they need more.
Balances these things should be so.
Simple and Now i've said so many.
Times if you can't trust the state government to be on top of really basic service provision like, this how do we trust them with anything?
Speaker 2Else the treaty's going, great it's, right exactly.
Speaker 4Right, well that total joke in The australian, tomorrow the headline is net zero medicine may kill.
PATIENT a AND zed chief banking GIANT a AND zed has warned that hitting net zero missions by twenty fifty could be the medicine that kills the.
Patient As Anthony almanzi faces pressure to phase out fossil fuels entirely to boost his chances of hosting next YEAR'S Un Climate, summit AND zed chief Executive Nuno matos said the world faced a very difficult journey to hit the mid century climate goal amid growing investor in business pushback on the ability to reach.
Targets the big form bank boss said the drive towards decarbonization needed to be.
Speaker 5BALANCED i think.
Speaker 4Finally we're hearing a mainstream corporate leader In australia saying what we've all kind of known for many years.
Now but for the AN zed chief executive to actually come out and say, that it's pretty, big.
Speaker 2And especially after THE cba boss yesterday talked about the need to get immigration under.
Speaker 1Control, YEAH i, know it's amazing and THE nabs quoted in here as well as saying that you might have overseas banks coming in and lending to the gas sector because the big banks here are refusing to do.
SO i, mean you, know we are cutting off our noses to spite our.
Faces and AS i said last, night when big banks are starting to blow the whistle on, this we know how.
Speaker 3Corporate australia has been over the last few.
Speaker 1Years you, know there is a bit of a shift in the tone and the culture while we're talking about climate.
Change thank, god try this one on for size on the front of the advertisers.
Tomorrow all those mayors have been gallivanting around it AT cop thirty one because they want to get THE cop conference In adelaide next.
Year well how about this bon VOYAGE.
Speaker 3Cop the bills lose.
Speaker 1Summit millions spent trying to attract THE cop climate summer To adelaide appear to have gone up in.
SMOKE i, mean to stand off Between australia And turkey that could deliver the fifty thousand delegate conference to the compromise city Of, Bonn.
Speaker 3Germany how good is?
THAT i mean?
Brilliant?
Speaker 6What oh?
Speaker 1Fantastic so we've been spending all this, Money you've Got peter Mel anauskas and The Prime, minister all the mayor's going.
Up so we WANT cop Pin adelaide and we're fighting With turkey for, it and the bloody crowds come in at the last.
Minute i'll just had eyed because i cannot get over.
Speaker 5It.
Speaker 2Yep another example Of albanezy government.
Waste let's go to the front page of The Daily.
Telegraph exclusive damning secret report reveals men's vision for More.
Park that's the golf course In sydney is in the Rough caddiwact is the.
Headline The premier has been warned his vision to up More park golf course for an elaborate parkland makeover will cost almost two hundred and fifty million, dollars which is five times what he claims the government will.
Spend the state's own secret business case for the redevelopment of More park obtained By Day telegraph.
Advisors it will take massive public.
Expenditure little wonder that the government did not want this business case.
Released the more this goes, on the more they just need to accept the fact we've got a beautiful eighteen whole, course leave it the way it, is and we've already got gardens in That parlan city, anyway and.
Speaker 5The whole process was a.
Speaker 4Sham we covered the story about how Chris mins had already announced his plans while public consultation was still, ongoing so it's clear how much respect Chris mins holds for the community In sydney clearly very.
Little in The mercury, tomorrow the headline is Please, louise a homemark counselor found to have breached the local government code of conduct for using the term, virus plans to challenge the decision in the federal.
Speaker 5Court Luise elliot.
Speaker 4Has been sanctioned for using the term made popular BY us Businessman Elon musk in a social media post expressing her opposition to flying The palestinian flag Outside hobart's town.
Hall But Miss elliott says she engaged A sydney law firm to take the matter to the federal court and has launched a fundraising campaign towards the one hundred and twenty thousand dollars cost of the.
Speaker 5CASE i mean good on.
Speaker 4Her it is a mind virus to fly A palestinian flag In.
Speaker 2Hobert this is.
Nuts another counselor got all upset with her because she had implied that they had mental.
Illness everyone knows that woke mind virus is not a literal mental.
Illness but that's what she was accused, of and the standards committee or whoever they, are upheld The.
Speaker 5How is this not a free speech?
Case?
Speaker 4Anyway she's a, counselor she's posting on social.
Media she can say whatever she.
Speaker 1Wants, well that counselor who made that complaint is unhere on the front of The Gold Coast bullet and tomorrow played.
Them content creator promises to send spit to.
Speaker 3Schoolies what the?
Speaker 1Hell controversial adult content Creator Bonnie blue has revealed she will not be coming To australia For schoolies twenty twenty.
Five in an exclusive interview with This, Maskedthead The British national said a recent interview With The Current, affair which implied her return to the school leavers, celebrations was twisted By australian media outlets to her.
BENEFIT i only, implied she.
Speaker 3SAID i SAID i had good lawyers AND i was going to do.
Speaker 1Schoolies the reporter managed to read so far in between the, lines she's previously come, down she does.
Pornography she's come down and filmed stuff with young men at schoolies to put on her pornographic.
Platform, oh it was all a ruse of for goodness, sake, serious.
Speaker 2Will we end on a good news?
Story she's, Not Thank god for.
That we're going to take a break when we come.
Back caleb Attended John law's funeral today and he's going to give us a first hand account after.
This, well of, course today there was a state funeral for Broadcaster John.
Laws it was a big.
Event the who's who of media and politics were, there including our Own Caleb.
Speaker 1BOOK i wouldn't call me the who's, who BUT i did want to go down and pay my respects to the great.
Speaker 3MAN i spoke to him a few times on the.
Speaker 1Radio in, fact you can even see me in that shopped.
There but he was half the REASON i got into, broadcasting got interested in media because a young man listening to the radio and he was just a master of the.
Game and that was part of what inspired me to go into the.
Business SO i Thought i'd better go and pay my.
Respects and it was a wonderful, service great.
Service Russell crowe was.
Hilarious he gave the, eulogy spoke really, well including a few jokes like.
Speaker 9THIS a long long time, Ago john asked me IF i would speak at his.
FUNERAL i, said, yes and then he just kept on living year after year after.
Speaker 1Year and he goes on to say that he lived for so long that he thought he'd lost the.
Gig he didn't think he was going to be able to speak at his funeral.
Anymore but of course rest his history and we got to see.
There John williamson got up and Sang True.
Blue you might have seen.
That Paul murray played it at the end of his.
Program his voice is holding up exceedingly.
Well Paul warren another good friend of.
Laws he was the son Of Peter, warren who many people In sydney would, know you Know Peter Warren.
Motors spoke really well and it was just a, lovely lovely service and they opened With El, presidente which was his opening, tune and finished With Roger, miller which he always finished his show.
Speaker 3On so it was a.
Speaker 1Moving service for an absolute great Of australian.
Speaker 2Rate and of course his favorite, tagline be kind to Each, other was used repeatedly through the.
Service, yeah, yeah.
Yeah and they're going to be remembered for something other his radio, achievements, obviously but it's nice to be remembered For he was the guy who always said be, kind and.
Speaker 1The sermon was along those, lines and the rector made quite a funny comment during the sermon about the fact that After john's Wife caroline died a few years, ago he went down and had lunch with him At otto at The Woollemloo wharf and they had a long discussion in which laws he told him That jesus was a good bloke and that maybe before he dies he'd like to record The, bible but he never got around to do.
It that.
Speaker 2WELL i noticed it was a beautiful hymn that they began the service with, Too so, yeah it was a nice and a fitting tribute to a great pustrainer and absolutely.
Speaker 4Great imagine being on air for seventeen, years seventy years being at the same thing day in day.
Speaker 5Out it's truly.
Speaker 4Incredible but just as we, finished some good news for all the men out.
Speaker 5There turns out a.
Speaker 4Groundbreaking study From Oxford university has found man flew his real recover more slowly than women from flu like.
Symptoms, so if you're feeling down about having a cold and your wife's nagging you to get up and get on with, It, no you're, Right.
Speaker 2Why are you saying?
This like it's news.
Speaker 5FRAME i have told you that's.
Speaker 2It FROM us Stick.
Around coming up is The read A Penny.
Show Good, night