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Speaker 1

Late Welcome to the Late Debate.

Speaker 2

Never been big on fruit, but I do like a drink.

Have one for me, please, James when you get home.

Welcome to the Late Debate.

I'm Kayla Bond with Fraileitch and Jamie Rodgers coming up tonight.

How do you feel about being served by a bloke in a skirt?

And by the way, he's not Scottish.

Well, one of the world's most famous rail services has unveiled a gender neutral uniform that allows exactly that.

Speaker 3

More on that soon in the papers.

Speaker 2

A teenager accused of armed robberies and threatening to kill people has been allowed to go on a European holiday with his parents.

No prize is for guessing which state he's from.

Speaker 3

And later, I've long called working from home.

Speaker 2

Shirking from home, and a police officer has found out the hard way what happens when you shirk rather than work And first to the story developing in England this evening.

A Manchester synagogue has been targeted on Yom Kapur, the holiest day on the Jewish calendar, leaving two dead and three others in a serious condition.

The suspect is also believed to be dead.

This happened at Heaton Park Synagogue.

Now, the footage that you can see on the screen here is outside of the synagogue.

There are two people there who are armed police officers.

You may see on the left hand side of the screen there what appears to be a body on the ground and the police then yelled to bystanders to move away.

Police said a car was driven at members of the public and a man was stabbed outside the synagogue.

Officers declared PLATO, which is the code for a marauding terror attack, and the Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham said earlier this evening that the situation was under control.

UK Prime Minister Sikirstama has cut short a trip to a European leader's summit.

He's now flying back to the UK.

He's in the air at the moment, but here he was about an hour ago, speaking to reporters before taking off.

Speaker 4

I'm on my way back to London.

When I arrive, I will chair an emergency COBRA meeting.

I'm already able to say that additional police assets are being deployed to synagogues across the country and we will do everything to keep our Jewish community safe.

Speaker 2

Now, of course, We don't have any further details about who the suspected attacker is or what his motivations are, but of course you know you're going to a synagogue attacking people with a car and stabbing people on Yom Kapur, and it's not hard to read into what the potential motives might be.

Speaker 5

It's just a tragedy.

Speaker 6

And I think this is the level of fear that is unfortunately now justified.

I think for a long time after October seven, there are people who tried to downplay the rise in anti Semitism and say, oh, you.

Speaker 5

Know, it's not that bad, It's really not that bad.

Speaker 6

But when you see attacks like this, I mean, this is the level of violence and hatred that the Jewish community is having to deal with.

And there are, no doubt people in Australia who have family in the Manchester Jewish community and so I can't imagine how hard that is for them.

And to do this on Yam Kapor, the holiest day in the Jewish calendar, that's no coincidence.

I mean, that is clearly.

I mean, we obviously can't speculate at this point, but for an attack to occur on this day, of all days, is particularly painful.

Speaker 2

And you can't help but look at this and think, why has the heat not been taken out of the rhetoric around a lot of these issues?

You know, you know, you can look at it from Australian perspective, many of us have said for a long time, and social cohesion is a big problem, and this is the ultimate end of a lack of that social cohesion where someone in the UK would feel like they go at the front of a synagogue and ram people with the car and stab them.

Speaker 7

It's just devastating, isn't it.

It's a really sad day and my heart goes out to the Jewish community because yet again another attack and another display of antisemitism, which we have seen on the rise and in horrific displays ever since October seven.

I mean, antisemitism has been around prior to that, but since October seven it has just sadly been on the increase, and no matter how many times the community have called out and asking for protection and for help, they haven't received it.

Speaker 8

And now look what's happened.

It's just devastating.

Speaker 2

Well, if there are any more details coming to hand, we will bring them to you as they happen here on Sky News, so of course stay tuned.

Speaker 3

Meanwhile, coming back home, an interesting.

Speaker 2

New study from Flinder's University in South Australia says that trigger warnings may not be all they're cracked up to be.

Speaker 3

It's the first time maybe I've thought.

Speaker 2

That trigger warnings are a great thing, because this study from Flinder's University has uncovered that nearly ninety percent of people who come along a trigger warning online and so this might be on a bit of content on social media, for instance, it gives you a trigger warning saying you know the content you're about to see might be uncomfortable for some people, etc.

Speaker 3

Do you want to see it?

Speaker 2

Well, ninety percent of people completely disregard the message and go on to look at it.

They even found in this study that people with mental health conditions may well actually deliberately go looking for content that will trigger them and take no notice of the trigger warning.

And of course trigger warnings have become quite popular in the last five ten years as a way to before you say something that might be a little bit on PC or even if you're talking about pretty basic topics, but you know, all manner of things may offend people.

These days where you've got to give a trigger warning before you say or show anything lest anyone be offended.

One of the researchers doctor Victoria Bridgeland.

She's a psychology lecturer at Flinders University.

He said trigger warnings seem to foster a forbidden fruit effect for many people, whereby something is off limits, it often becomes more tempting.

People vehemently defend them, even though the evidence consistently suggests they do not work.

So what you're telling me is that if I give a trigger warning when I'm about to say something that isn't offensive but some you know, lunatic might find offensive, it means.

Speaker 3

They're actually going to listen to me.

I love trigger warnings.

Speaker 6

Now, I know.

I'm with you right there, Caleb.

To be honest, though I don't think anyone genuinely believed trigger warnings were actually effective.

I think they were more just a virtue signaling mechanism to say I'm woke, I'm politically correct, I'm just displaying my progressive credentials to all, because who actually did anyone actually ever.

Speaker 5

Think trigger warnings were doing anything?

Speaker 6

But even from a psychological perspective, say we were genuinely concerned about the anxious lefties who might get deeply offended by what we say.

The answer is not to mothball them and protect.

Speaker 5

Them from opposing views.

Speaker 6

The answer if you get anxious by something is exposure therapy.

Just gradually expose yourself to more and more diverse views people who disagree with you.

In over time, you'll learn that words aren't actually that scary.

Speaker 5

You won't implode or suffer some kind of harm.

Speaker 6

If you're exposed to offensive views, you will be okay.

But that only happens if you're exposed to these things.

So the answer is more resilient people, not trying to protect everyone from being offended all the time.

Speaker 7

And I guess it's also that feeling in society that you'd rather at least just be warned, whether or not you take it or leave it.

At least you had the notification.

But I ended up going down one of those rabbit holes where you start reading all different reports, and I actually found another psychology report from last year who did a similar study, and they just said, actually, what the research is also showing as people felt no different.

So if you did see the trigger warning and you watched the content, you felt no different to the people who didn't see the trigger warning and watched the same content.

So do we keep the trigger warnings, Yes, because there are that ten percent of people that still do use them and watch them.

Speaker 8

It's funny because.

Speaker 7

Prior to this, I had never thought twice about a trigger warning, and that's why we went on this deep hole of reading about psychology reports into trigger warding.

Speaker 2

These people use them on like the just the most inane stuff or you know, I'm mentioning something in here that someone was like homeless for two days five years ago.

It's like trigger warning about homelessness, or actually they don't call it homelessness anymore.

It's unhoused people lord or something like that, or people experiencing a lack of housing or I mean, for goodness sake, like it's just the policing of language where it does not need to be done because like, the vast majority of people are either not offended or not triggered by any of this stuff, aren't.

Speaker 7

It really doesn't matter though, if we just keep having the trigger warning, doesn't know act anyone really, because it's the implicit message words are harmful, and that's what annoys me because once you start saying words are harmful, words are violent.

That is the pathway to policing free speech, because all of.

Speaker 5

A sudden you can't say things that are harmful.

Speaker 6

And then there goes our freedom of speech.

So it's small, but it is creeping.

But let's move on.

In Sydney, a Polo in the City event has been scrapped by Willara Council.

Now, this event was proposed by an entrepreneur, a business guy here in Sydney who wanted to have a polo game at a park in Wall Clues.

Unfortunately Willara Council has knocked it back.

But it looked like it was going to be a pretty awesome event and hundreds of people already spent over six hundred dollars to purchase tickets to the event.

This is what Vor Clues could have experienced.

Now I'm pretty confused because when I see that and I think v Clues, I'm like, that's right up there, alley.

I'm sure the residents of All Clues would love if this was supposed to be on a cliff top park overlooking the ocean.

Speaker 5

Polo marquees.

Speaker 6

I mean, what an awesome day, an awesome opportunity for the community.

Speaker 5

But no, council says no, no.

Speaker 2

The clippery clop of the horses hoofs would apparently be too noisy for the nearby reasons, and it would.

Speaker 3

Churn up the grass.

Speaker 2

Oh, I can't believe it, but I mean it's been held in November, so one would assume that the ground is going to be reasonably firm, so they're not going to be chopping it up too much.

Speaker 3

I would have thought.

Speaker 2

And by the way, these are the sorts of things that bring people.

Speaker 3

And this is the problem.

Speaker 2

They don't want anyone coming into Vorklues, but it brings people into town, so it gets them to they go to the polo and then they might go it for dinner afterwards, so they'll spend money at a low restaurant, or they might go to a local bar or something.

This sort of stuff is good for the economy.

But no, no, you can't have public parks being used for public events because Martino is someone down the hill who's got to deal with the noise.

Speaker 7

You know.

It just shows that this just really reiterates how hard it is to get events off the ground in Sydney and across the country as well.

Sydney is not the only area that's having these sort of issues.

But at a time when we should really be encouraging innovation and events and different things to get the community involved again, this would have been the most perfect opportunity to do so.

I'll tell you one area that is starting to get their life back into it and that is more.

Speaker 8

Park, so in the More Park precinct in Centennial Park.

Speaker 7

The Men's government, now we've got to give credit where credit is due, and Paul Scully has announced that he's gone against the nimbi's and they are going to be bringing more events to Centennial Park.

So they'll have around twenty events now.

And I think this is such a sensational result for Centennial Park because it's a beautiful park space and around there they've already done the SEG Precinct where they've opened that up for Alians and the SDG to start getting more events there.

But I think guys, in terms of bringing in money for the economy, they're forecasting roughly around that one hundred and twenty million dollars.

Speaker 8

Per year with these new events.

Speaker 7

And I think we need to watch out Victoria because Sydney is going to be the arts capital of Australia if we can start having all these events here totally.

Speaker 6

And this move was opposed by the Centennial Park Residents Association, that you can guarantee or all teal volunteers.

Speaker 5

I saw them in Balmain.

Speaker 6

It's the demographic of anti fun, anti life people who want their suburbs to be boring and quiet.

Speaker 5

By seven pm in the evening.

And it's horrible.

Speaker 6

And my message to these people is, you bought a house in Centennial Park Park, was there first?

You should have known this was a sign that would be used for events and that's just what you chose to accept when you purchased a property.

It's like we used to live at the Rectory, which was next to the church.

My dad was the minister, and you would have people complaining about church music.

No, no, I'm sorry.

The church has been here for one hundred and fifty years.

You moved in three years ago.

You've got no right to complain about the noise.

I just cannot stand this.

Speaker 2

It's just unbelievable, isn't And it happens all the people move in next to the pub and they go, what's with all these people drinking after mid now?

Speaker 5

Oh?

Speaker 2

I can't believe, and they leave the pub and they make not you moved in next to the pub.

I mean I used to live directly over around about from a pub.

Was bloody magnificent.

They took lots of my income, I have to say, but you know what you're getting in for when you move into a major space.

Speaker 3

And it was exactly the same.

Speaker 2

You know, when they wanted to lift the number of events, they could have concerts at the see In Alliance Stadium and whatever and all these people.

Oh no, you can't possibly do that because there's too much noise when you ac DC.

If someone comes to town and plays their loud music, all these people playing their loud music in my neighborhood, I can't have it.

I forgot why did you move next to it?

Then bugger off, go somewhere else.

If you don't want any fun.

Speaker 3

Go away.

Speaker 2

Speaking of which we can't have any fun in the UK anymore if you watch the BBC that is anyway.

So thing called the boat Race, which is a ruining race between Cambridge and Oxford Universities.

Now I must admit I'd never heard of the boat race, but it is quite popular in the UK.

I think it hundreds of thousands of people go online the banks of the Thames.

Speaker 3

To watch this thing.

Speaker 2

So it is a major sporting event and it does have a significant audience on television and the BBC has generally had the coverage for this, but they've now let the coverage go and they've let it go to Channel four because the new head of Sport, Director of Sport at the BBC is said to believe that the sport of rowing is elitist.

Speaker 3

Now he may well be right in that, but he's.

Speaker 2

Decided that because it is elitist and it is Oxford and Cambridge participating in this race.

Even though hundreds of literally hundreds of thousands of people line the banks of the Thames to watch this so it has a bigger live audience than most.

Speaker 3

Sporting events anywhere.

Speaker 2

It's not worth the BBC having because the people involved in it too high up the social child.

Speaker 5

Oh give me a break.

This is just so infuriating.

Speaker 6

Because the BBC first started broadcasting this event in nineteen thirty eight, almost one hundred years ago.

Speaker 5

This is an institution.

Speaker 6

And Oxford and Cambridge occupy almost like a mythical place in the UK consciousness.

I mean, they have signific institutions, and so what if it is elitist.

It is significant to the country.

It is significant to the British people.

It gets hundreds of thousands of people out and enjoying the sport.

Speaker 5

It's wonderful.

Speaker 6

And this is part of a broader move by the woke left when they come into these institutions like the BBC and they go, oh, we can't possibly celebrate British culture and tradition, Oh we can't possibly have any patriotism, or this might be perceived as elitist by some lefties who cares.

Speaker 5

It's been going for one hundred years.

It's a lot of fun.

Let it be well.

Speaker 7

Bbsa's loss is Channel four's gain because in April when this was last air, there was almost three million viewers had tuned in to watch this.

Now the BBC have come out and said the decision wasn't because it was elitist, it was because of a return on investment decision.

So we know that that's not quite correct either, with how many eyeballs are on there.

And as you said, Freyer, this is a boat race that is rich in tradition and the British interest is very high.

I love sports, so I like to see anything like that on TV.

Speaker 8

So I think that's a huge loss for the BBC.

Speaker 2

Can you imagine, you know, when we were participating in and of course eventually won the America's Cup.

If Bob Hall consider I'm not interested in that because bloody yacht racing is two elitis.

Speaker 8

No, no, we got on board with it.

Speaker 2

He famously said, any boss who sacked someone for not turning up to work tomorrow is a bum.

And you know what, while we're talking about public broadcasters and the sport they put on, of course, the ABC used to have a lot more sport than they do now it's all gone to the commercial broadcasters.

But one thing I really wish the ABC would bring back his lawn bowls.

Remember lawn Bowls on the ABC on a Saturday After you.

Speaker 7

Actually hosted lawn Bowls I did.

I was the ringside reporter out of Mohamma Bowls Club.

Speaker 5

There you go, so that was.

Speaker 8

An interesting little boat out to my resume.

Speaker 2

I really wish the ABC would bring the lawn Bowls back because as a kid, the lawn Bowls on the ABC on a Saturdy day.

After that, there was just something rather comforting about today it's.

Speaker 7

Quite competitive, yeah, I know it's it's actually a great sport.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 3

And the serious money to be made as well.

Speaker 2

Because my father's a council worker in Adelaide and there's a bowling green behind his chin, and the greens keeper goes around the country competing on weekends and all these competitions and he comes back all the time.

I made three grand this weekend and made four grand here in all these comps.

Speaker 3

It's actually serious foot.

Speaker 6

I might have to start training for lawn bowls and then we can broadcast it.

Speaker 5

How fun would that be?

Speaker 6

And Jamie can hope program that'd be awesome?

Well, saying in Europe now, Eurostar, one of the largest train operations operators, has just rolled out gender neutral uniforms and they are as ugly.

Speaker 5

As you might expect.

Speaker 6

The uniform now consists of skirts or trousers, whichever you prefer, paired with Doc Martin boots and scarves.

Speaker 5

With graffiti on them.

Speaker 6

The CEO has described them as shic, elegant and iconic.

I would say they're a little more weird and wacky.

And it's all framed in this through this lens of empowering the employee to express their true selves at work.

But you're not at work to express your true self.

You're at work to perform a job.

And the point of a uniform is that you don't express yourself, you blend in with everyone else.

So clearly no one is thinking about what patrons might think about these uniforms, because I doubt many people support gender neutral uniforms.

Speaker 5

It's just bizarre.

Speaker 2

I mean that photo there, can we just keep that photo?

That photo, so we can't keep the photo of parent.

But that photo is so wrong because the bloggers wearing a skewit, which is a bit weird to be in with.

Speaker 3

But you can tie on as well, like, just pick one.

Speaker 2

If you're gonna wear the scoop, wear the skirt well over.

Don't wear the tire as well.

There's just so much wrong with that.

And this Gwendoline casanave woman who is the chief executive of Eurostaff, who says it's icon Now, when I was a cadet in newspapers, I was told never to describe anything as iconic because very few things are actually an icon.

Speaker 3

But is she color blind?

I mean, it's just all.

Speaker 7

Navy wost dragic, boring, uninspiring uniform and I feel as though this is now becoming a tired trend.

So in twenty twenty two, Virginal Atlantic release their own gender neutral uniforms.

But now it seems as though brands do this because they want to catch up with what's going on in society, and I feel like this is at the tail end of it.

So it just seems like a very strange decision.

There's fifty pieces of this new uniform that have been created, but you just look at that and think they are.

Speaker 5

So drab and ugly, and please, let's.

Speaker 8

Just stick with a normal uniform.

We don't need to be going and giving this gender.

Speaker 2

Neutral I feel like, and I've made this observation many times about architecture and art as well.

Everything is now just being designed to make you feel like you live in a hillscape, right.

Like there was a time where air hostesses and host he's on a train.

It was glamorous, right, There was a feeling of I'm doing something exciting, I'm getting out in the world.

And now you look around and get on a plane and they just sort of throw some cheese and bikis at you, or you go on the Eurostar and some bloke in a drab skirt comes up to.

Speaker 3

Ask if you'd like a drink.

This all the fun that's been taken out of travel.

Speaker 7

You're so right, Caleb, because also with that Virgin Atlantic, part of their new rules was that women didn't have to wear makeup anymore if you didn't want to.

You could just wear casual clothes if you wanted to.

So yes, it's lost that glamor of exactly.

Speaker 8

What you just describe.

Speaker 7

And you would see the beautiful air hostesses and stewards all coming on and they were beautifully dressed, and it was something that was quite pleasing to look at when you're sitting at your chair.

But yeah, the part of their new rules you don't need to wear making and even just.

Speaker 6

An idea of decorum, it's just all gone out the window.

Speaker 2

Just quickly, before we get back into the discussion, a photo has been released of the suspect in this Manchester attack.

This has not come from the cops, that's been verified by the BBC.

This is a photo you're looking at of the suspect in the attack.

They believe he had bombs strapped to his chest.

So let's be thankful that things were not worse than they were but of course, to recap in that attack, two people are dead, three others seriously injured.

The suspect the photo which you were looking at there is also dead himself.

As I said before, they believe he had bombs strapped to him.

So if we have any further on that will come back to it.

Meanwhile, while we're talking about.

Speaker 3

The UK, you would have heard these stories, and.

Speaker 2

We've talked about them here over the last couple of weeks about Fergie's involvement with Jeffrey Epstein.

Of course, she was once married to Prince Andrew and all this business about she publicly denounced him, and then she apologized to him for having publicly denounced him, And there was this business about maybe she'd taken a small amount of money from him, and then it came out that it was maybe four million dollars that she had taken from him.

Well, Andrew and Fergie's daughters, who of course you would know, Princesses Eugenie and Beatrice, we learned today when they were children met Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 3

Now there's something wrong with that to begin with, because.

Speaker 2

I wouldn't be wanting to introduce my young daughters to Jeffrey Epstein, that's for sure, but so creepy.

Apparently they were referring to him, or they were told to refer to Jeffrey.

Speaker 3

When they meet him as nice Jeffrey.

Speaker 2

Like it just puts a shiver down your spine, the idea that these young girls were meeting a guy who you know, obviously turns out to be a pedophile and hello, nice Jeffrey.

Speaker 3

Oh, It's just it's so wrong.

Speaker 5

It's really wrong.

Speaker 6

And I actually feel really bad for the princesses because they can't help that.

Speaker 5

Their parents are.

Speaker 6

Buffoons and keep over the years have made so many of these blunders where you just go, where was the judgment, Where was the discernment about who to associate with, who to take millions of dollars from?

I mean, they just clearly have just a complete lack of judgment.

And I feel really bad for the princesses because they have ordinary jobs, they have children of their own, they're trying to live their own lives, but they keep getting agged back into this family drama.

Now it's come to light that Prince Andrew and Fergie will not be invited to the Royal Christmas at Sandringham.

But the princesses will, So now they're going to have to be choosing sides between the royals.

Who do they back their parents, who we do know they're quite close with their mother Fergie, or do they back the royal family.

I mean, if I were them, I'd be going, my mom's a bit booby.

She's not the one you want to be getting close to now.

But it is sad, and it's just the whole situation is just.

Speaker 5

Really really weird.

It's just ick.

Speaker 8

The whole thing is just really ick.

Speaker 7

And within that article where we just showed the grab on there in two thousand and six, at Princess Beatrix eighteenth, her guest list included Epstein, Gallaine Maxwell, and Harvey Weinstein.

So these poor girls have been involved with all sorts of people.

But I'll be very interested to see how the princesses navigate what is going on within this fallout and if charities will continue to work with them.

And they have had to step up recently within the royal family, both of the princesses, so whether they continue to have more of a prominent role within the royal family.

Perhaps Christmas might determine that whether or not they do go to Sandringham.

Speaker 8

But it's really sad.

Speaker 2

And I don't think you should visit the sins of the father upon the son, or in this case, the daughter's right.

It's not their fault that their parents took them to meet Jeffrey Epstein and so that that association exists side.

I don't think they should be punished for that, But I can just never get past the idea that beyond the association that they may have had with Epstein before he was a convicted sex offender, and lots of people had an association with Epstein, including Donald Trump and Bill Clinton and many others, it's that they continued that association after he had been convicted, like you know the remember the headline print and perv it was on the front of the New York Times, Like, why you would continue to hang out with a man like that after that is just beyond well.

Speaker 6

And it's also the lies and the cover up, because Fergie admitted to taking thirty thousand dollars from Epstein, but in reality it is alleged it.

Speaker 5

Was more like millions.

Speaker 6

So it's also hard to trust they even telling us the truth about the full extent of this relationship.

Speaker 5

I don't think so.

But over in the.

Speaker 6

US, this is actually an extremely moving story.

On Sunday, there was a horrific attack at a LDS Mormon church in Michigan.

Four people died as someone rammed into the church, set it on fire, and shot people.

The accused attacker was Jacob Sanford.

Now he was killed at the scene as well and left behind a wife and a child with complex medical needs and a disability.

Speaker 5

Now there are a bunch.

Speaker 6

Of gofundmes launched for victims of the attacks of the attack, but David Butler, a Mormon himself, took pity on his widow and child and launched a GoFundMe for the attacker's family.

That go fundme page has now raised two hundred and twenty five thousand dollars.

Extremely remarkable.

Here he is explaining why he did it.

Speaker 1

To be a follower of Jesus Christ is caring for people who can't care for themselves.

There were gofundmes for people who'd been you know, families who'd lost somebody in the shooting right or who were wounded, and of course those people should be taken care of, But it just struck me that those are not the only victims.

Speaker 5

I mean, that's incredible.

Speaker 6

Two hundred and twenty five thousand dollars given by Life, largely Mormons around the world to the family of the shooter who shot and killed their own church family.

And I mean, is we've talked about this theme of forgiveness.

It came up with Erica Kirk at Charlie Kirk's funeral saying I forgive the shooter.

Also, Ian Wilkinson, the husband of one of Aaron Patterson's victims, said I forgive her, but to actually give money as well to the shooter's family.

I mean, it's pretty remarkable.

Speaker 7

It is, and I think it just shows that how important it is when you let love be the way that you dictate your life at love and caring and just being kind to people.

Speaker 8

And it's refreshing when you see stories like that.

Speaker 7

It's just a reminder that there are some really amazing people in this world.

We just have to highlight them more and show it because at the moment, there's a lot of negativity out there and hard stories, and it's nice when you can see some of the positive things that are being done for other people out there.

Speaker 2

I just can't get over being able to bring yourself to do it, you know, like if that happened to me, if it was my church or any other community, I was a member of a club, you know, if it's your sporting club or whatever, right, and someone comes along and attacks the people who are your friends to then turn around and say, actually, I'm going to try and look after the people that he has left behind in his family.

Like it's that immediate feeling of anger that you've got to try.

Speaker 3

And get over.

Speaker 2

There are clearly much better people than me in the world who can do it.

But that is not the first place my mind would turn.

I'd be like, no, I want this bastard, right, I want to do something about it.

You wouldn't even think about his family.

But the fact that someone has it in them to be able to do that, as you say, Jamie, you know it just give you a little bit of hope about the state of the world.

Well.

Speaker 7

Also the comments that they're writing on there, that all of the members from within the Church of Jesus Christ, that the comments that they're writing is we just hope the best for your family moving forward.

Speaker 8

We hope that you're all okay.

Speaker 7

And it's them reaching out hoping that the sun and the widow are okay.

Speaker 6

It's the power of the gospel.

Love your enemies, and a core to Christian belief is that we're all sinners, we've all been forgiven, we deserve death and punishment as well, and so we have to extend that forgiveness to other people as well.

But when you see it lived out so practically and so visibly, it's one thing to say it and say it in the church pews on Sunday, but to actually give money on Monday to the family of someone who killed your own friends and family, I mean that is amazing.

Speaker 8

Well, let's change tack now.

Speaker 7

And it's certainly been spoken about quite a lot whether or not the Coalition will continue with a nuclear policy as they try and create their energy plan heading into the next federal election.

Well, the shadow Energy Minister in Tea and spoke on Sunday on Agenda Today, and he outlined what they're thinking with the coalition.

Speaker 9

There is a nuclear renaissance taking place in the US that is basically also happening around the globe.

If we're to meaningfully make any impact when it comes to global emissions reduction, then nuclear has to be part of the equation going forward, and we've got to be able to grow this proven technology.

Speaker 7

Well, I completely agree with everything that he has said, but Dan also reiterates the importance of why we need to be bringing in nuclear, especially with the rise of AI and ensuring that Australia is not left behind.

Speaker 9

This is potentially a brand new industry that we could develop here in Australia and then build knowledge industries on the back of that, and we if we're not careful here in Australia, we are going to be left behind when it comes to AOI, when it becomes to quantum, when it becomes when it comes to building these new knowledge industries, and that's not something we want to give to younger astraint.

Speaker 7

It's refreshing, isn't it that Finally we are listening and hearing some of the thoughts of what the Coalition are planning regarding their energy policy, because they have said that they're.

Speaker 8

Going to take time.

Speaker 7

Even though that those words freak me out because I don't think they do have time.

We need to spend the next two years taking the voters on the journey of nuclear if that's the direction that they're going to go in, because I think we need to be very clear that I don't believe that they lost the election because of nuclear.

They were doing well in the polls when nuclear was pretty much their only policy.

The fault was we let labor scare campaign about the six hundred billion dollars overtake, and we also didn't do any press conferences out in the front of Lucas Heights or take voters on the journey of why nuclear is good.

So I think it was refreshing to see that it looks as though they're coming along well.

Speaker 2

As ringos one saying it's going to take time, a whole lot of precious time, patience and time to get it right.

But sound though Claxon.

We've actually got some policy coming out of the coalition now, isn't this well, I should say potential, not official, But we've got the shadow minister saying yes, we're back on board with nuclear, which of course was one of the stipulations that the Nationals had anyway if they wanted the coalition to be formed.

So we kind of already knew they were probably going to end up in this position anyway.

Speaker 3

But it's amazing.

Speaker 2

You know, what was the election in May, so how many months are we down the line?

Speaker 3

Now four or five months, and it's only now that.

Speaker 2

We're really getting to this, Like, I just feel like they're losing that precious time in not coming out with any sort of policy whatsoever.

I get the use sort of you don't roll out everything this early into a term, but you do need to be a bit clearer about the direction heading.

Speaker 6

Yeah, I mean, I think there are some deep philosophical questions at the core of the Life Liberal Party that are unresolved, and that is part of why it's taken them so long to come out with an energy policy, because the deepest question is what do we actually build our policy around.

Do we build it around global climate targets dictated to us by the UN and the international consensus, or do we build it around what is best for Australians.

And that is the tension between this sort of liberal internationalism and actually an Australia First nationalism, and those are two very different and conflicting visions of how we ought to govern the country.

And so I think that the party is kind of wrestling with that.

But ultimately the successful center right parties around the world are leaning into the nationalist Australia first, put your country first.

Speaker 5

Movement, and that's what we have to do here as well.

Speaker 6

We will make not one iota of difference to climate change, to global emissions and anyway, it doesn't matter.

Our government exists to serve Australians and Australians first, and forget about the UN, forget about Paris.

Speaker 7

I mean, seriously, let's just lift the moratorium so then we can have a proper discussion.

Speaker 8

Let the market dictate.

Let's just lift the moratorium.

Speaker 3

It is the simplest thing.

Speaker 2

After the break, the latest details on that attack on a synagogue in Manchester in the UK, and we'll take a look at the papers.

Speaker 3

At home, of course, on the front of the Herald Sun tomorrow.

Speaker 2

Staggering story about a fifteen year old kid accused of awful crimes and he's allowed to go on holiday to Europe with his family.

Speaker 3

That more coming up.

Speaker 2

Let's just go back to the news of course tonight out of Manchester, an attack on a synagogue.

We've got some stuff to show you here because Manchester, of course, two victims dead after an attacker drove it to members of the public and then began a stabbing rampage.

Now police feared he had a bomb, so they shot him dead.

That has now been confirmed.

Loud explosions have been heard at the scene because the bomb disposal unit has been carrying out controlled detonations.

Speaker 3

The police have praised.

Speaker 2

The swift actions of a person who alerted them to the attack.

Speaker 3

This is a statement from the police.

Speaker 2

They said, we are grateful to the member of the public whose quick response to what they witnessed allowed our swift action and as a result, the offender was prevented from entering the synagogue.

There were a large number of people they're worshiping at the time because this is Yomkapul, the holiest time on the Jewish calendar.

They were worshiping at Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation Synagogue, which is about five kilometers from the city center at the time of the incident.

Now there is footage that is too graphic for us to show you, but I have seen it in the midst of police arriving and the guy being shot.

I mean alarming to think how much worse this could have been, given that we now know that the bomb squad is the detonating bombs that were believed to be.

Speaker 5

On Oh and thank goodness for it.

Speaker 6

Sounds like there was a quick thinking person there, and well, you know here in Australia, the Jewish community has to have armed guards on synagogues, on schools, on childcare centers.

That's the level of threat they're living with constantly, and thankfully in this instance, the vigilance of the Jewish community has potentially saved so many lives.

But it's just terrifying, terrifying to think it could get to that point where you could actually have a terror attack like that being carried out.

Speaker 7

Yeah, it's just devastating.

I'm lost for words tonight after watching this.

It's just really really sad and just another attack on the Jewish community.

Speaker 8

My heart, my heart breaks.

Speaker 3

Well, let's get into tomorrow's news in Australia.

Speaker 5

Yeah, let's come back home now.

Speaker 7

We're going to start with The Herald's Son and this is an article that I think will have most Victorians blood boiling.

Speaker 5

European bail caation.

Speaker 7

A fifteen year old accused of five armed robberies, stealing cars and making threats to kill has been allowed to travel to Europe with his family after the court was told the alleged thugs parents would have to cancel their trip if he was held in jail or put on normal bail, so the magistrate green.

Speaker 8

Lighted his vacation.

Speaker 7

Does that not just sum up so many issues that are going on in that state, but also the fact that the parents knowing that their child has been accused of five armed robberies and he has threatened to kill and yet your trip to Europe is way more important than giving some discipline to your child.

Speaker 3

Woebatide, you know you all.

Speaker 2

I wanted to give up the trip to Europe by wayward sons in.

Speaker 3

A bit of trouble.

Speaker 6

I hope they leave him in Europe, and I think it actually fit in pretty well in Europe with the way things are going over there at the moment.

Speaker 5

But just just live in there.

If you're flying him all the way there, time bring him back please.

Speaker 3

It is just extraordinary.

Speaker 2

And if you're in Melbourne and you can get your hands on a copy of the Herald Sun tomorrow, it also says on the front page that Andrew Rule is one of their great crime reporters.

What really goes on inside the children's court which is on page six And if anyone will be able to tell you exactly what's going on, it's Ruler.

Speaker 3

So go and pick up a copy of the paper if you can get your.

Speaker 2

Hands on it tomorrow on the front of the cans Post tomorrow Most Interesting story.

Speaker 3

Kroc grab stirs row.

Speaker 2

A powerful legal group has slammed the Queensland government over the controversial removal of a beloved four and a half meter crocodile from a Cape York waterway, demanding answers over the use of questionable quote unquote tactics to condemn the animal to.

Speaker 3

Life in captivity.

Speaker 2

The large salty, known as Old Faithful, was first relocated to the area by Steve Irwin in the nineteen eighties.

The Environmental Defender's officers sent a legal letter to the Environment Department's Northern Wildlife Operations Director, representing the conservation group Community Representation of Crocodiles.

The letter seeks urgent clarification under the Human or Right sect regarding engagement with traditional owners about the potential removal of their culturally significant totemic icoon.

I never knew that so many people could be upset that a crock had been.

Speaker 7

Removed, And is it being removed to go to the zoo?

Or where is where are they relocating it to?

Speaker 3

Well?

Captivity?

They say?

But who cares where it's it's a bloody croc I know.

Speaker 7

I mean, I'm just curious to see what the plan is where it's going.

Speaker 5

This is just bizarre.

Speaker 6

The Environmental Defender's Office receives millions of dollars in taxpayer funding every year to launch vexatious green lawfare against Australia's own interests.

This is ridiculous.

And what are the implications of this?

If crocodiles are a pro protected potemic icon of the indigenous people, do we have to have indigenous consultation every time one is touched, every time they are moved in any way?

Whatsoever?

Mean the legal implications of this?

And if it's crocodiles, why not kangaroos as well?

Why not koalas?

Why not gum trees?

Why not every single thing in Australia.

I mean, this is just absurd.

Is the link to Steverwin?

Speaker 8

Perhaps?

Maybe maybe that link.

Speaker 6

But it maybe got to the location in the nineteen eighties because not as been here.

Speaker 3

Maybe what do you reckon?

You said when they took him away?

You know, so you later allig the out?

Speaker 6

Oh gosh, well, moving on to the Australian tomorrow.

The headline is energy the number one business concern.

Businesses now rank the cost of energy as the chief concern for their future, rating it almost three times more worrying than US tariff and trey disruptions.

Speaker 5

According to new analysis, several.

Speaker 6

Corporate leaders, including those in manufacturing, say the cost of energy is rising so fast that it's now risking their competitiveness with importers, while about nineteen percent of businesses expect to use AI to reduce headcounts.

Speaker 8

I mean, that.

Speaker 6

Does just sum up exactly where we are as a nation.

There's been so much hysteria about the Trump tariffs, drummed up by the left wing media, and yes that's a concern to Australian exporters to the US, but a bigger concern is the cost of energy, and that is just killing business.

Speaker 2

Well, you don't have industry without affordable energy.

Speaker 3

It's as simple as that.

Speaker 2

And of course Trump has been trying to get industry going back again in the US.

It's a large part of what is tariffs has been about.

But you know, you look across the world.

The number one thing, apart from of course high wages, which which makes it difficult to have industry.

You need cheap, affordable energy, and in so many ways we've just done ourselves out of them said no, we don't have manufacturing anymore.

Speaker 3

Zooks.

Who needs cheap energy?

Speaker 2

The consumer would like cheap energy as well.

But you missed the biggest story on the front of the Olds tomorrow, for which is right up the top.

Speaker 3

It says the Wish.

Speaker 2

Magazine is in the paper tomorrow and on the front of the Wish magazine is Isle of Fisher.

I love Isle of Fisher, so I would buy the odds just to look at that.

Speaker 5

Well, she's single, now, I know, I know.

Speaker 8

I was wondering where you were going with that, But what was missed.

Speaker 7

Anyway, Let's move over now to the Daily Telegraph and their lead article here is hate march must not reach iconic sales.

And this is from Jewish leaders, not at our house.

Jewish leaders have warned a pro Palestinian march to the Sydney Opera House next Sunday cannot be allowed, as police meet with protesters today to decide whether or not they will oppose it.

Both the state and federal opposition have called for new laws to block protests.

Speaker 8

At our nation's icons.

Speaker 7

And I just think, especially in light of what we've seen in the UK today, this would be beyond highly I mean inappropriate.

It's not even the right word for it.

It just is so incredibly wrong and offensive and it cannot go ahead.

Speaker 6

It's just shredding our social fabric, or what's left of it.

It's pretty much already in tanners.

But to do this around the two year anniversary of October seven, you'll remember they released the press release on the eve of Yom Kapol last night.

I mean, seriously, it's disgusting.

And I was always told there was a by law prohibiting protests from going onto the opera house because Jewish groups have tried to do the same thing, but well repeatedly.

Speaker 5

Told they were not allowed to.

Speaker 6

So if they allow this to go ahead, that is a double standard and two tier policing.

Speaker 2

Indeed, just leave the opera house alone, police after the break.

You know, if you're going to work from home but not actually work from home, you're probably going to get caught.

Speaker 3

One copper found out.

The hard luck that's coming.

All right, let's get into our favorite segment.

The time of the day, that's the fourth of the week.

Speaker 2

We've managed to find a dope of the day every day for you this week and well let's just show him to you.

Speaker 3

Couldn't you be working?

We got someone to cover for me, hey question because you're domb manually stupid bird.

I never put you at Joe.

Speaker 2

Sorry that was the Simpsons, but it may as well be the dope of the day.

A copper over in the UK has landed himself in a little bit of trouble.

Speaker 3

He was part of the Durham.

Speaker 2

Police in England and he was working from home and he had a key jammer basically just pressed on the key so on the keyboard so it made it look like he was working.

He had to face a miss conduct hearing which was just the other day, and they found that he held down a key on his computer keyboard on thirty eight occasions over twelve separate days between December three, twenty twenty four and January thirteen, twenty twenty five.

The evidence was quote unquote overwhelming with the data and it was the ikey on his keyboard.

Speaker 3

It place for.

Speaker 2

Sixteen thousand times to make it look like he was working.

Speaker 3

He's now lost his job.

I mean, for goodness sake.

Speaker 8

Oh that's very very funny.

Speaker 7

Well, let's have a look and see what is Backyard Ultra.

You ask, well, this is a race and it's currently been held in Saint Ives in Sydney, where it is a six point seven kilometer loop.

You run this loop every hour until you cannot run anymore.

So there's no set finish line and there's only one person that technically finishes.

Speaker 8

You can see on here.

So basically it's quite strategic.

Speaker 7

Do you sprint the six point seven k's and then go and have a rest and have something to eat and wait for the next hour and then quickly go again.

But if you do twenty four laps in twenty four hours, you run one hundred and sixty kilometers.

So let's have a listen to someone who has been in one of these races.

Speaker 10

I didn't set this goal because I didn't really think it was possible.

I was going to go to like broke.

Thankfully they matched up.

I broke and also ran one hundred kilometers yesterday, which was the hardest physical thing I've ever had to do.

I was in the pain game from about this seventy kilometer mark.

Speaker 8

So who's going to register for the next Backyard Ultra?

Speaker 5

Absolutely not me.

That is torture.

But this is heaven.

Speaker 6

A woman has just won a million dollars US in the biggest will of Fortune prize ever in history.

Speaker 5

Pack of coyotes.

Speaker 1

All right, what would you like to say to your boss.

Speaker 5

We'll have a discussion once we get back to the office.

Speaker 3

Congratulations wowie, does she look thrilled?

Speaker 2

Thank you for joining us Tonight after this will go straight to live coverage from sky News UK of the attack on a synagogue in Manchester in the UK.

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