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Well, good evening and happy Australia Day.

Welcome to the Late Debate.

I'm James Macpherson with the patriotic frailing Yeah, and the fervent nationalist Caleb Bond.

How is your day, guys?

Caleb?

What did you do to celebrate our national Day?

I had an Australia Day party last night that I went to, which was a good bash, and I got home at about four thirty this morning and then backed it up with lunch at one o'clock.

So I think I've had a pretty good effort for Australia Day.

But I know you've got the Australia socks.

Yeah, yah, I've got that fencific a bit but there you go.

There are Actually if you look further down it's got the stars and stuff on it, you can only see the union jack.

But yes, I've got the Australia socks on today.

What about you, Freda?

Did you celebrate a little less intensely than Caleb?

But I hosted a barbecue today with a bunch of patriots down in the Shire and Cronulla, and I must say I just enjoyed driving around the neighborhood this morning.

There was so many Australian flags out it is just awesome to see.

And what about you, James.

Look to be honest.

Trail I spent today recovering from yesterday's celebration when my sons hosted about thirty of their friends at our house to celebrate Australia Day.

They're part of that eighteen to twenty four year old cohort who really want to celebrate Australia Day.

Although one of their friends did not show up because it was Australia Day and in a prom so.

Really well friends, and it was on the Sunday.

It wasn't even on Australia Day itself, so you've got plausible deniability.

It was the principle of the thing apparently.

Anyway, there you go.

Here's what's coming up tonight.

Should we spend millions of dollars on surveillance drones to avoid a repeat of the shark attacks scene in New South Wales last week?

Plus amazing scenes in Taiwan where a daredevil climbs a one hundred and one story building with no rope, no harness and no safety gear.

Plus job applicants upset that employers are increasingly using AI to conduct interviews.

So does AI remove biases or introduce a whole set of new ones.

We'll get to all of that shortly, but first, what did we make of this year's Australia Day.

We had people protesting against Australia and we had people protesting for Australia.

Some people were waving the flag, others were burning it.

Some groups cheerfully chanted Ozzie Assy Ossi, and other groups angrily chanted down with the colony.

Is this what the pollys mean when theymesist diversity is our strength?

I don't know.

Let me show you two incidents that played out today and I want to compare and contrast.

Here's the first one, an indigenous leader in Brisbane setting our national flag on fire and apparently that was no problem.

Yeah.

And here's a woman also in Brisbane.

She's not burning the national flag, No, she's waving it and she gets moved on by police.

So, calebin Fra, I'm struggling to reconcile those two events, both in Brisbane, both on Australia Day.

How do you put those together?

Well, you put them together and you get the result of what has been happening for a long time, which is the denigration of this country.

And of course, if you denigrate the country enough, some people start to believe it, and they're quite earnest in what they're saying.

Which is the most worrying thing, right, the flag burning thing.

I've always had a.

Sort of opposition to the idea that someone should be prosecuted for burning a flag because it is a form of speech.

And I worry, how's it a form of speech?

Let me continue.

I worry that if you say certain forms of political expression are outlawed, that you then lead on to potentially dangerous area dangerous areas.

But I have to say, if you hate the country that much, that you will burn the national flag of the country in which you live on that country soil.

You don't deserve to be here.

Just bugger off to somewhere else.

If you hate the place that much, just go away.

And why can you not unfool your national flag on your national day at a protest in your country?

I understand people get moved on for their own safety.

It says more about the protestings that it does about the woman who rocks up with an Australian flag.

But surely you have the right to waive.

The national flag on the national day in a capital city in this country.

Well that's my problem.

It seems like you have the right to burn it, but not to wave it.

Yeah, exactly right.

It also just didn't really make sense because they're protesting about land rights, but fifty percent of the country is already covered by native tidle claims.

You have land rights, you have all the same rights as any other Australian And this is the problem.

There is this victim mindset among many parts of the Indigenous community.

Unfortunately, this is something just Enterprise is consistently called out.

And as long as you continue to play grievance politics and think of yourself as a victim, how can you possibly move forward or build something so that for me is the saddest part.

There were images coming out of these protests of young kids holding up banners, holding up Indigenous flags, or creating this idea for the next generation that they are still victims of oppression today, and I think that is destructive.

The other thing that I thought was very funny.

One of the speeches that the Sydney rally called on these left wing activists to oppose Pauline Hansen, because we love immigration.

Oh, hold on a second, so what were the settlers, what were the convicts?

Weren't they actually immigrants?

So I find it very funny that at an indigenous rally they're talking about how they love immigration.

Well, I don't think you should be allowed to burn the flag, right.

You can say you don't like our country that speech.

Burning the flag is something else.

But here's what I thought when I saw those images.

There's no way you'd be allowed to say, burn a koran in this country.

You'd be prosecuted under eighteen C for sure.

Would you be allowed to burn an indigenous flag?

I don't know, but I dare say that you would be absolutely condemned for it by everybody, and rightly so, and you'd probably risk running a fowl of vilification laws and incitement laws.

I don't think anyone would dare do that.

But the national flag seems to be fair game and I just don't think that's right.

And there was a chap I saw today a video of him online.

I think again it was in Sydney.

It was other Sydney, Melbourne saying to someone in full knowledge that he was being filmed while this was going on saying, bring on the white genocide, and can you I mean, he should now be done under surely the new hate speech laws.

If you'd said bring on the Aboriginal genocide, you can imagine what would happen.

I mean, you'd be in handcuffs and they'd take you away and they'd say that was a hate crime.

But you say it's the white genocide, that's all fine.

And some of the speeches that they were giving at these anti Australia Day rallies today varied wildly from you know, the typical stuff Land Back and all this stuff all the way through to Palestine, like pick A Lane guys protesting against Australia Day.

And then it becomes free free.

It's not the same thing.

I mean, they've got their own troubles on the other side of the world.

It's got nothing to do with Australia Day.

And again I think it proves these people really aren't that concerned about the ins and outs of Australia Day.

They're not that concerned about the ins and outs of the Israel Palestine conflict.

Just the current thing.

What is the thing to protest today?

It's Australia Day.

But what have you been.

Protesting about for the last two Oh jeez, we better weave that in as well.

They're just protesting for the sake of protest And I mean.

We've pointed this out at nauseum, haven't we, Freyer.

But if you're concerned about indigenous rights, then you'd stand for Israel, who are the indigenous people in that region of the world.

But anyway, logic and consistency has never exactly been part of pro Palestinian or anti Australian rallies.

There was a video going around though, that was much more to my liking.

Watch this, it'll make you proud.

I'm not sure who put that together.

I don't think Barnaby Joyce put that.

Reef.

I liked it.

You know, I've talked Agnose him about the fact I'm worried that AI is going.

To take over the world.

But if that's the sort of thing AI is producing, that maybe it's not quite as good as we thought it was after all.

But there you go.

We bring you all sorts here on the late debate.

What we also bring you in this discussion about Australia Day is the virtue signaling that we see from all and sundry across the corporate and political world, even the sporting world.

James and I look particularly at James here because his football club, the North Melbourne Football Club, of which you've been a long suffering supporter.

North Melbourne have won twenty out of their last one hundred and thirty games.

Ate amazing.

So you think you'd think they'd be focused on trying to win games of football.

No, what are you winning games of football?

There's Australia data games.

Didn't you know this?

They put out a statement today and look, we should be fair.

It's not just North Melbourne Football Club that put this out.

I saw a statement from the NRL as well.

Lots of sporting teams are doing this, but the one from North Melbourne was particularly grating in basically saying we have nothing to do with Australia, not interested in it.

They put a statement on social media that reading part we recognize the pain and sadness many First Nations peoples in the broader community may be experiencing at this time.

We continue to reiterate our message and encourage listening, understanding and reflection of our nations shared part.

Oh really, oh do we need that?

That?

They said They issued that statement after and I quote, extensive consultation with First Nations players.

You know how many First Nations players they've got on the North Melbourne list women's and men's team combined.

Free ah.

And you know what, I don't understand why sporting clubs do this because it's so out of touch with their base, with the fans.

Most people who are really invested in sport want to see you play sport.

That's it.

They don't want to win a.

Game of it.

It was just desperate for them to play some good football.

But really it is very out of touch and a couple of years ago this wouldn't have surprised me, but with how the debate has shifted and the overwhelming support Australians now have for Australia Day, I don't understand what they think they're gaining.

The only people that are on their side in this one are the Greens.

Larissa Water has also put out a similar statement today, saying recognizing twenty six January as a Day of Invasion is not about division, but about respect, honesty and connection.

It is about acknowledging the truth that sovereignty was never seated.

This always was and always will be Aboriginal Land.

I mean North Melbourne is basically parenting Green's talking points at this point.

Well, and they might do them some good.

Actually, probably a lot of the Greens people in North Melbourne to be perfectly fair, So you know, it does kind of make sense.

Only always was, always will be.

I wish I'd thought of this earlier so we could show it to you.

I don't know whether did you see Tony Abbott's post online today put up a photo He's on a cruise at the moment holding up the Australian flag with our friend Adam Crichton from the IPA, and he captioned it happy Australia Day, Always was, always will be, obviously meaning always was, always will be Australia Day.

I thought that was quite clear to take their line and sort of throw it back at them.

But can we just have sporting teams stick to sport?

You know, I don't need a lecture on Australia Day from North Melbourne or any other football club or any other sporting team anywhere.

Really, just go and win games.

I don't know about you, and maybe there are people who do, but I don't look to sporting teams for my sort of you know, moral gardens.

It has to be said no.

And the AFL season doesn't start for another what five six weeks, and already they're lecturing us on Larissa Waters.

For an elected senator to say that sovereignty of this nation was never seeded, wouldn't that make her what two hundred thousand dollars a year salary be completely illegitimate.

She's part of an illegitimate parliament by her own reckoning and always was, always will be Aboriginal.

And U spose she's handing back her home in Queensland.

Well they should do.

I mean, I mean, why not do you have a John Saffron many years ago, Hurrican twenty years ago did a skit where he went out with some Aboriginal guards and knocked on the doors of people who had like stickers in their windows, saying, you know, sovereignty never seen in all these things, and said, look, we just want to stay the night, you reckon, you could give us a bed and they all said no.

So it would only go so far when it comes to this stole land.

All right, So Australia day, typically Ozzie's go to the beaches.

Of course in New South Wales.

People on the beach are a little reticent to go into the water after we had four shark attacks in just two days last week, including sadly the death of a twelve year old boy, and then even Saturday and Sunday here in New South Wales we had multiple sightings of sharks ten on Saturday off the coast of Manly.

The New South Wales government has decided to take action.

They're investing four point five million dollars to purchase thirty more drones, which will bring to eighty the number of patrol beaches where surveillance drones will be working operating spotting sharks to keep people safe.

The question though, is why would they invest in thirty more to cover eighty beaches when there's one hundred and thirty patrol beaches.

Why not just spend the money and have surveillance drones on every single patrol beach.

Well, not only should they have surveillance strones, they should also just have shark nets on every patrol beach.

I don't understand why it's that hard, and don't forget the men's Labor government said they were doing a trial to remove shark nets last year.

In twenty twenty five, and that was then pushed back when there was the fatal attack at DY last year.

So this is a government that is listening to environmental activists who put the lives of turtles.

You know, I love turtles, but turtles' lives do not come before people's lives.

And so the answer is drones are a good start, but nothing is as effective as shark nets.

That's just a fact.

So they should be, of course adding more drones, but they should be adding more shark nets.

Instead, what they were doing was trying to take them away.

And I'm sort of when it comes to the means you use rather agnostic, like it does not matter to me what you use, as long as it's effective.

Color, whether it's.

A yeah, culing shark nets, smart drum lines, drones, I don't really care.

I just want something that actually works.

But of course, so often in this discussion it's not about how do we preserve human life and what actually works.

It starts from the position of it's the shark's home.

The water is the shark's home, and we are invading that.

If I can say that on.

This of all days, and so you're kind of asking for it if you go into the water, and so the shark's life must be protected above yours.

That's just not tenable.

I've said it many times.

I'll say it again.

We are at the top of the evolutionary tree.

The water is our home as well, and we have the right.

You know, there's no other species who's done to the world what we've.

Done to the world.

Somewad are you not always great, but there you are.

But we have the right to go in the water by whatever means necessary, and to control that water by whatever means necessary, and we should do so.

And the idea that you can have eighty beaches with drones on them but not one hundred and thirty that are patropic, like, is it that hard to go and buy fifty more drones just to get it done.

I don't understand for the government to do something but still leave a third of New South Wales beaches without a surveillance drone doesn't make sense.

And you're quite right, drones are affected by They can't obviously go extreme distances, whether could play a factor, so you need other mitigating things as well.

But they could also reduce the number of drownings if they put surveillance drones and advertisement.

This would encourage people not only are you safer from drowning between the flags, but you've got the coverage of surveillance drones from sharks as well.

So I could work on a number of levels.

Yeah, totally.

And they've got to do something because there have been over twenty beaches closed because of shark sightings in the last week.

That is just unacceptable in Australia.

But let's move on and chat about some more Aussie politics.

Pauline Hanson is soaring in the polls and she's embracing some unique campaign strategies to keep this momentum going.

Today, she has released as a.

Teaser to her new film, This Super Progressive Movie, She's released a song that she did in collaboration with Holly Vallance, who is a reality TV star in Australia turned conservative culture warrior.

I guess and here was the song.

They say that I'll keep it.

On the sheet this.

And Ana GILIPI say I'll logical a real by logical.

I think it speaks for itself.

It's pretty cool, surprisingly catchy.

My concern when these political songs come out is they often just sound so contrived and cringey, but that's actually pretty cool.

Well, it's put together by as you said, Holly Valance sits those slaps when it comes to music.

It's number two on iTunes at the moment, and Pauline Hanson was speculating today that if it keeps being downloaded and keeps being bought, Triple J will have to play in the Hottest one Hottest one hundred, Which would be wonderful to hear that song on an ABC radios.

I wouldn't it be magnificently you know, kiss Kiss my ass, what a great name for a song, kiss kiss being exx the chromosomes for a real biological woman.

I love to see stuff like this because so much of the cultural space is invaded by the left, and often the thing that perplexes me so much about it is a lot of the people who fund the art are actually quite conservative and right wing, but the people who perform and produce the arts are fundamentally left wing in many cases, and they get a lot of our money, government money in order.

To do it.

So it's good to see some art coming out with some success, albeit you know, somewhat ironic in its nature.

That is not of the left.

Like it's a political message in a song that's not.

Of the left.

When was the last time you heard a protest song that came from someone on the right.

Like we may be breaking new ground here, I'm not sure any of them actually exist apart from this.

Well, you raise a great point in talking about the arts, because cure politics is downstream of culture, right, you know the old adage you end up with the politicians you deserve, because typically politicians reflect the culture rather than create it.

So it's smart for one nation to be investing in movies and in music to try to change the culture to be more in tune with the principles that they believe best suit the country.

The other thing I like is the use of satire, mockery, and ridicule, because if you want to destroy an idea, there's no more powerful way to do it than to get people laughing at it, and that's what they're doing.

It's a very funny song.

If you watch the whole clip and the lyrics of build, it's very funny, very clever, and I think will be quite effective.

And it's interesting as well.

To your point, Caleb, the art sector always complains that they don't have enough funding.

But this song is proof that if you produce something people actually want to listen to, which is probably not going to be left wing propaganda, people will listen, people will buy it.

I just can't wait to hear this play, as you say on Triple J, right next to Abby Chatfield's Boyfriend's song that they're all obsessed with.

Finally conservatives have something to get around.

It's awesome.

All the FM stations they're going to be playing it, don't well, I don't know, do use anyone listen to if I listened to Classic Ifim But look I can't say I'm listening to macha Il s Ifim radio.

It has to be said.

Now to a story I'm sure you may have seen over the weekend of tragic story of course, Sir Alex Pretty who was killed over the week in the US.

He was one of these anti ICE protesters.

He rocked up to a protest with a gun and he ended up being shot dead by an ICE officer.

Now this is blown up in the United States.

There have been protests in the US all over the US as a result of this.

Of course, the protesters say that he was doing nothing wrong, and of course ICE is well he rocked up to a protest with a gun, and we were worried for our safety and we acted upon it.

Here is the Homeland Secretary, Christy Gnome.

I don't know of any peaceful protester that shows up with a gun and ammunition rather than a sign.

This is a violent riot when you have someone showing up with weapons and are using them to assault law enforcement officers.

Now, this happened in Minneapolis in Minnesota, and Minnesota over the last couple of weeks has been the stage for quite a few of these protests and altercations between the protesters and ICE officers.

So copyload of this from the governor of Minnesota, and of course former Vice president candidate Tim Waltz, who makes one of the most bizarre and offensive comparisons between what ICE is doing in Minnesota, which is rounding up and trying to deport illegal immigrants, to Anne Frank.

We have got children in Minnesota hiding in their houses, afraid to go outside.

Many of us grew up reading that story of Anne Frank.

Somebody's going to write that children's story about Minnesota, and there's one person who can end this.

Now, I'm honestly lost for words.

How with a straight face do you make that comparison?

And Frank, who was being pursued so they could kill her in the Holocaust, is the same as the US saying if you come here illegally, you shouldn't stay in our country.

Yeah, there's some problems with his analogy, aren't there not, least of which Anne Frank was not a foreign invader.

She was arrested and ultimately put in a concentration camp by foreign invaders.

And the other irony there is that Tim Waltz during the pandemic, was urging Minnesotans to dob their neighbors in.

Tim Waltz would have dobbed Dan Frank into the Nazis had he been around during the Second World War.

Yeah, it's just disgusting.

And this is not the first time we've seen the Democrats in the US use retoric that compares the Trump administration to Nazis.

All it does is ratchet up the violence, the anger, and that's exactly what they want to achieve.

Tim Waltz is loving watching riots, He's loving watching Minnesota burn.

He certainly did during the BLM riots as well.

Well.

His wife famously said she loved to have the window open.

So smell.

Smell the flames and the fumes coming from the protein.

It's disgusting.

But you know what the irony is.

Trump's head of ICE is Tom Homan.

Tom Homan was acting ICE director under Obama.

Obama deported over three million people.

To celebrate Tom Holman's work, he was awarded with a presidential honor.

This same guy is now doing the exact same thing he did for Obama, and he's doing it for Trump.

There were no protests back then.

In fact, CNN followed Obama and ICE people around and praised their work in the deportations.

But now that it's Trump doing it, all.

Of a sudden, you have mass riots, you have the left wing media throwing a tantrum, you have Democrat politicians talking about how bad it is.

It is so hypocritical, And it's not about illegal migrants.

They always used to be on a bipartisan ticket on the fact that you need to control the border.

It is actually about undermining the Trump administration, and unfortunately it is working to an extent.

It is sewing division in American society.

But it's a losing strategy for them in the long run because what they're saying is they support illegal criminals more than they support law and order.

There is the little matter also of an investigation going in going on in Minnesota as to how huge amounts of money were defrauded from the state under Tim Waltz's watch.

I think he's quite happy to talk about Trump rather than what's been happening in his own states finances.

Let's go to Taiwan, where an American climber has scaled the Taipei one to oh one, so called because it's one hundred and one stories high, that's over five hundred meters into the air.

He's climbed it for a Netflix special without any ropes, without any harness, without any safety gear at all.

Fascinatingly, Netflix live streamed his climb, which took an hour and a half, but with a ten second delay.

Caleb, why would they have had a ten second delayed?

You think just in case things went wrong.

I suspect you know in radio they have a seven second delay in case things go wrong.

They actually calculated if he was to get right to the top almost and then fall free falling, it would be ten seconds to the ground, hence the ten second delay, so that they were should.

It's a morbid thought, isn't it.

We'll give ourselves just enough time so we don't have to broadcast the guy dying.

It's a pretty morbid thought.

I just can't get over how you actually get this done.

Well, actually one I can't get over wanting to do it in the first place.

You love that climbing, like, okay.

It's one thing kids love climbing up trees, but climbing a one hundred story building is a bit of a different matter, particularly when you've got no safety gear on you.

And he's done this, as you said, in an hour and a half.

For an hour and thirty one minutes, he gets to the top of the building, the first words he says are or is sick.

That's how he felt about it.

And the last person who climbed this building and did so with ropes and harms just did it in four hours.

So this guy has absolutely smashed the record with no assistance whatsoever.

Either he is incredibly brave or incredibly stupid.

It just goes to a death wish.

How regulation and workplace off and safety productivity.

I want to work for Netflix now.

I mean, if that's how h takes things over, Yflix.

You said, why would he do it?

He was asked repeatedly how much did you get paid for this?

And he said, look, not as much as you might imagine, and they estimate it would be in the sort of mid six figures.

So he wasn't paid millions.

He was paid three four hundreds.

I would not climb that building with no safety for mid six figures.

He was asked, did you have life insurance?

He said no, I didn't get life insurance.

Was too expense.

What I mean he is, but this guy is seriously impressive.

He was also the first person to climb El Capitan in Yosemite without any highness or gear, and Netflix made a documentary about that climb as well.

And one of the things that was interesting in that is he basically just said that everyone who is in the free climbing world knows someone who dies.

It's basically assumed you were going to die.

They all have these very complex relationships with their spouses, with family, because how can you put yourself in that position over and over and over and every time you do that, you are one climb closer to dying.

It's pretty shocking.

The thing that I found most fascinating about this was it's one hundred and one stories.

Right, he gets to level eighty nine and there's windows, it's a viewing deck, and there's a whole lot of members of the public there have a look.

I don't know how he wasn't distracted.

We're on the eighty ninth floor.

We're trying to keep sort of a reverent hush so as not to break his concentration.

That just reaps good way.

That is not something you feel like you're supposed to see.

Absolutely incredible, But all those faces through the window, when you're right there hanging on for grim death.

I can be pretty distracted by and the wind.

Yeah, I just don't know how you do it.

But he's still with us, So it's proven that it can be done.

In some less positive news, the cost of living we know is biting.

It has been biting for quite some time.

Remember when they said it won't be easy under alban Easy.

That seems to have disappeared as a slogan, but maybe we should bring it back.

A new survey from the Smith Family of Course, charity that deals with people who are living in poverty.

They've done a survey families asking the question about how they deal with or are going to deal with kids going back to school.

Now, the expenses of sending a child to school, and I thought an extraordinary figure in these reports in the news court papers today that four in five amilies say that they worry they can't afford essential items to send their children to school.

Forty percent say they fear that they can't afford essential uniform items.

A quarter is.

Saying that they're paying more for these items educational items than they were a year ago, which I suppose makes sense, But that number four in five families saying, look, I don't know if we're going to be able to meet these costs.

And the costs do keep on mounting, particularly if a kid wants to do school sport, and then the notes come in about excursions and on and on these things go.

It isn't It must be an awful position to be in to think, you know, I've got to prioritize my expenses here, and of course sending my kid to school is a major and important expense.

But when four in.

Five people are saying, I'm not sure how I'm going to do this unbelievable.

So where kids miss out is In this survey, fifty six percent of family said they may not buy their child device that they need for school.

Forty three percent said they'd probably skimp on extracurricular activities.

When I was at school, I did piano lessons, You'd played different sports outside of school time that all cost money.

As I said, forty three percent of parents saying they probably won't do that this year, and as you said, forty percent saying they may have to skimp on parts of the uniform.

Twenty percent of parents said that they probably couldn't afford to buy all the stationary items that their child would need for school, which is pretty extraordinary.

Yeah, it's really sad, and I do think you're right.

We heard so much about the cost of living crisis, especially in the lead up to the election, and now understandably, the nation has had a few other challenges, namely BONDI, the rise in anti Semitism.

A lot of things have distracted the media cycle.

But the reality is that when inflation goes up, even if the rates of inflation slows down, prices don't go down.

Prices don't deflate, they're still high, and wages aren't moving.

We have had the worst decline in real income in living standards in the OECD.

We're still being warned about rising energy costs, about how unsustainable our nation's finances are, and it just feels like no one really cares.

But it's families that are having to pay the cost here, which is sad.

And it's quite possible now, of course, with them all of these energy subsidies coming off that we will see above average inflation.

And we saw the last numbers that came out about employment.

Unemployment has gone down, so you have inflation goes up because we were artificially diddling the figures when it came two energy prices because it didn't actually go down, we just charged people less because the government made up the difference.

Then you have low unemployment, which equals presumably maybe at some point this year, an interest rate rise.

I mean to be back in.

This position again.

The pressure that is being put on people is unbelievable.

But one of my sons is looking for a part time job at the moment.

And back in the day, you'd print out your resume and you'd walk along the street and you'd go from business to business and introduce yourself and hand your resume over the counter.

These days, it's all online, and it's all through different HR departments, but increasingly employers are using AI to vet job applicants, which raises the question is that really fair?

Leanne Morrel, she's an HR professional, wrote an interesting piece on LinkedIn talking about how she applied for a role at one thirty pm and then at three seventeen pm on the same day had just been rejected from the role.

She asks, how can a recruiter review my application along with all the others and reject me within two hours?

I think it took me longer to write the application than it did for them to reject me.

It is my new record for a rejection.

Previously it was five hours.

So people have been speculating as to the use of AI for not just reading and scanning resumes and applications, but now for increasingly conducting interviews.

Quantus do it, Bunnings do it, Wilworths do it, where they use a special AI program at least for initial interviews, where a chatbot effectively asks applicants a series of questions.

You reply, and presumably the AI algorithms sought the week from the chaff.

They argue it removes biases of age, gender, and appearance.

Although I can understand why some employers might want to know a person's age, or gender or appearance.

But AI has its own inherent biases, doesn't it.

It has to in order for it to be able to differentiate between a good applicant and a bad applicant.

Well, artificial intelligence is only as good as the people who've programmed it, and the people who program it presumably do have some level of bars.

Now there are people who also do work in the AI sector to try and remove that bus, but it's all essentially controlled or created by a human at some point.

But this business are, you know.

A complete meritocracy because it takes out all the external factors, the age and the appearance and gender and all these sorts of things.

The one thing AI doesn't have that a real interviewer has is a gut feeling.

And you could be on paper a pretty ordinary applicant, and you could be really socially awkward or whatever, right, but you're in the room with an interviewer who goes, there's something about you.

I just know you're the right person for the AI can't do that.

All of that human element of the job search process has been stripped away, because, as you say, now everyone applies online.

So I feel bad for these businesses as well, because they're getting thousands of applications for jobs when before LinkedIn, before these job sites, they may have only gotten dozens or maybe hundreds.

So there's really no.

Other way for them to conduct this many interviews because people are applying for so many jobs.

There you go, all right, We're going to go to a break.

When we come back, we look at what's making news tomorrow, including a fascinating story in the Daily Telegraph where they've found out the going rate for a number of crimes.

If you want to pay someone from the underworld to do it, that's the front page of Tomorrow's Telegraph will show you.

After the break.

All right, welcome back to the program.

Let's take a look at what's making headlines tomorrow and a fascinating story on the front page of tomorrow's Telegraph, Caleb.

Indeed, the headline on the front of Tomorrow's Daily Telegraph is the what a Ripper song?

It is dirty deeds that young crims do to cheap Exclusive from Mark Murray.

An underworld menu showing various crimes and the price tag for carrying them out has been intercepted by a New South Wales police in a secret gangland chat room as crews offer their services for everything from assault and kidnap to torture and arson for as little as one thousand dollars.

The concerning low prices criminals will charge for heinous attacks include one thousand dollars to punch someone.

I mean I punched my brother for free when I was a kid, five thousand dollars to inflict grievous bodily harm, six thousand dollars for kidnapping and extortion, and as much as ten thousand dollars to set a house on fire.

Investigators made the shocking discovery in a telegram chat room with crews offering a price list to commit every crime except murder.

I mean, that's a lot of crimes, to be fair, if they do every crime except murder.

But but yeah, thousand dollars for assault, five thousand grievious bodily harm as we seid, six thousand for a car to be torched, ten grand for a house to be touched.

I mean that does seem quite cheap to have someone's house set on five for ten thousand dollars and it doesn't get traced back to you.

If you want a warehouse destroyed, they charge you twenty five percent of the goods inside of it.

Look, I understand this is where things are going right, and this is always be in the argument that if you reduce the age of criminal responsibility, that it will simply encourage people to use young crims.

And increasingly what seems to be happening is larger gang's rope kids into doing their dirty work for them, and they will do it for not a lot of money.

That seems to be the tone of the article too, that the journalists are surprised that the going rate is so cheap on all of these crimes.

Well, especially when these crimes, if you actually caught, would involve years of prison time, inflicting grievous bodily harm that is a very serious events, kidnapping and torture.

So to get that for you know, as little as six thousand dollars is pretty good.

But you know what they say, you get what you pay for.

Pretty good, Okay, if that's what you're into, you know.

They say you get what you pay for.

So if you paid ten grand for someone to burn a house down, did they burn the whole house down or just like a quarter of it, Well.

What's the premium rate?

I mean, that would be a question, right, But let's stick with that theme of crime and look at what's on the front of the advertiser tomorrow, more teens breaking their bail.

The number of cases heard by the state's Youth Court has steadily increased over five years as it grapples with more young offenders breaking their bail.

Done and released under freedom of information laws has revealed the court heard one thousand and forty eight bail breach cases last year, accounting for about a fifth of all its cases, up from nine hundred and sixty three in twenty twenty four.

So clearly, I mean, we know.

Victoria has a terrible youth crime crisis, but it's not limited to Victoria.

This does seem to be a nationwide phenomenon and the only way to stop it is really to follow what the Chris of Foley government's done in Queensland, which is cracked down hard, have no leniency for youth offenders and actually enforce bail.

When you've got one thousand kids a year breaking the bail conditions, that's more than one a day.

Yeah, what's the point of bail if you're allowed to break it without any consequences.

Well, you end up with what we've got in Victoria and what we've got in South Australia, where young people have zero respect for the law and then zero respect for the courts.

Yeah, and I talked about a story on Friday night from Victoria.

A kid.

Again, this is Out Australia, but to illustrate the point, a kid who was last week arrested for sexual offenses.

Alleged sexual offenses are sexually assaulting women in a park, kids thirteen years old.

This offending happened over a period of nearly two weeks before they finally caught him.

He got bail.

I mean, how can you be thirteen and done for sexual assault and then you get bail.

What sort of message are we sending here?

Well, I think it's pretty clear the message we're sending, and that is that you can pretty much run amuck and do what you want and there'll be barely any consequences.

The Northern Territory government, though, has decided we shouldn't just let young people do whatever they like.

Anthem mandate reads the headline, Northern Territory schools to all sing the same tune.

The Northern Territory government, the article says, is forcing school students to sing the national anthem at assemblies under a new policy aimed at restoring national pride.

I am all in favor of this because we've seen an absolute dog's breakfast of policies when it comes to the national anthem and schools.

Many schools we're talking about before the program don't sing the national anthem at all.

There was a school in Victoria, Yarraville West Primary, back a couple of years ago, where they changed the lyrics of the national anthem to make it about the dream time and make it more Aboriginal friendly.

There's numerous stories from Victoria about students being excused from assembly when the anthem is being played, or turning their backs or refusing to stand.

The Northern Territory is saying schools will sing the anthem, students will participate, and I suppose they can't make a student sing, but you can stand with everybody else, you can face the front, you can show some respect for the country that you are a part of.

I think it's a good Polish.

When I grew up in Canada, we had to sing the national anthem every single morning, every classroom had a Canadian flag, you had to stand up, face the flag and sing the anthem in English and French.

I mean that is what you have to do if you want kids to be patriotic.

Yeah.

I think it's a great idea.

We should check though, whether the kids know the second verse of the national anthem?

Anyone know the second verse of the national Anthem?

I know there is a second verse, Yeah, I know, And you know, teach the whole thing to the kids.

But of course the real lyrics are let.

Us all sorry, let us all ring Joyce for she is young and free anyway on the front of the Australian Tomorrow extraordinary story.

Green power fading fat, no green powering fast?

Well kidding?

What am I reading here?

Investment in large scale solar and wind generation slumped in twenty twenty five to less than half of the previous year's capacity, in a hit to Federal Labour's goal of generating eighty two percent of Australia's electricity from renewable energy by twenty thirty.

I can't believe what I'm reading.

Major solar and wind investment total just two point one gigawats last year to compared to four point three gigawatts in twenty twenty four, and well short of the six to seven renewable additions needed gigawats that is needed from such projects each year through to the end of the decade.

Well, blow me down, I can't.

We're not meeting our targets.

Who knew.

Another story going around today talking about young people preferring petrol cars rather than electric cars as well.

So on every front, the government's green dream is not quite going to make it.

The kids ain't so bad after all.

Another story on the front of the os anger steak we need to do better.

Yeah, we could get wag you instead, I suppose.

Angus Taylor is refusing to rule out challenging Susan Lee as Liberal Party leader, as backers of the opposition defense spokesman say his ambition to take on the party's top job was being bolstered by growing support outside the Conservative faction, while supporters of Andrew Hasty are claiming top conservatives are privately endorsing his ambitions to be Liberal leader.

Allies of mister Taylor say the right.

Faction is evenly split and the hum MP is gaining traction among moderates and centrists who last year were leaning towards shifting their support from ms Lee to mister Hasty.

What happens?

Do we get Angus or do we get Andrew?

We get Andrew?

I would probably put money on Angus Taylor winning the leadership, but I would, but I think Hasty is the leader of the Liberal Party needs But you know, everyone acts in self interest, so it really will come down to who can do the most deals.

What this story tells me is that moderates are reading the room and going, Susan will not win this spell, so they're going, who can we work better with Hasty or Taylor.

Taylor is probably going to give us more stuff as a bribe.

There you go, All right, Frey, you've got the Herald some we better cover off on that one.

Yes, Melbourne's facing an absolute heat wave.

Yeah, the headline is red alert Summer Scorcher fire is one of unpredictable conditions as embattled Otway's residents told to evacuate immediately.

Firefighters embracing some of the worst conditions since Black Saturday in two thousand and nine.

As there is a massive heat wave and the Northwest is on track to reach fourteen nine degrees.

There you go, an absolute Scorcher.

All right, we're going to go to a break when we come back.

I don't know if you've been watching the Australian Open.

The tennis has been good, but the commentary has been quite something else.

You look at some of that after this.

Well, of course the Australian Open has been on providing great highlights on the court, but it's commentator Tony Jones Freyer who's been making all.

The headlines exactly.

Look, he's sworn off ever playing pickleball again after suffering a rather embarrassing fall.

Have a look, DJ.

Great effort here, Yeah, I mean this was like Boris Becker dice and we are you are okay, we're confirming that we're getting.

You some ice.

Great effort.

He tripped over thin air out.

Okay, pickleball.

Before we get onto to the rest of Tony Jones pickleball.

Why the hell is it called pickleball?

What does pickles had to do with hitting.

A ball with a racket?

I have no idea.

I'm very.

It's basically tennis for people who don't want to run.

Yeah, and he still managed to fall.

Actually looks quite fun.

But I just can't take a sport seriously when it's called pickleball.

Tony Jones ended up in a pickle.

He did end up in a pickle.

Back to mister Jones Chompers, as they like to call him in Victoria.

This is not the first time he's had an awkward moment on here.

It has to be said, chief of among them, this interaction with beg Judd, Okay, this is would you rather that or falling over playing pickleball?

I would rather fall over playing pickleball than that.

That was just humiliating.

And of course then there was a couple of years ago when he was openly taunting Serbian tennis fans at the Australian Open back.

To Melbourne Park where you can see the Novak Djokovic fans there in full voice.

Yeah, the chances are quite.

Exurediny Novak, he's overrated.

Novaksa has the Novack kicking out.

Oh, I'm glad they can't hear me.

I don't know what got into him when he did that.

I'm glad they can't hear me.

I'm he provides great TV.

Yeah, it was just like a moment, a mental snap moment though, where he just let his intrusive thoughts win and he said, why not say this on live TV?

But there was another moment that causes scare as well.

An Italian tennis player, Luciano Dederi, was doing an interview when his leg suddenly went into a cramp.

See now it does break so well weeping.

Oh okay, this is the connections today.

We might get back to the match just for a moment.

He Oh, I can almost feel the pain, and that's because it's been so hot down there.

The players have just been struggling with the heat.

Yeah.

Absolutely, all right, before we go, let's just show you an incredible tribute to Australia Day by a South Australian.

A engineering graduate, Harrison Schuster, twenty eight years old, spent nine hours plowing his field to create this amazing tribute to Australia.

Have a look at this nine hours it took him plotted all the coordinates.

What I can't work out, Caleb, is how did he do that on a track?

I can't even do a love heart when I'm making a latte on our new coffee machine.

It is a pretty good effort, is it.

I thought I was doing well with these Australia flag socks, but to go to that effort.

It's not the first time he's done it either, but you know what, of course it's a South Australia, the South was he's always come through there, you.

Go, all right, Well, Happy Australia Day and good night from us.

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