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The Late Debate | 29 September

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Speaker 1

Late Welcome to the Late Debase.

Good evening, Welcome to the program.

Speaker 2

I'm Kayla Bond with freyer Leitch and filling in for James McPherson this week.

Speaker 1

Jamie Rodgers, is what's coming up tonight?

Speaker 2

How much do you think is fair to charge your family for a six month pass to a local pool?

Maybe a couple hundred bucks?

I mean, you already pay your council rates, right, but you won't believe what one council is trying to fleece young families.

In the papers, the state governments are ganging up against the federal government and saying enough is enough with the massive tax hikes that have caused the illicit cigarette market to explode.

And later, is it okay to keep using your ex's credit card to buy takeaway food online?

Well, one woman spent thousands and it's lit up Sydney's social scene.

But first down in Victoria where else you know?

I feel like every second night at least we have one of these only in Victoria stories.

Well, we've got two of them for you tonight.

The first one is that last to your bunch of academics got together at RMI two University and they held a roundtable discussion about youth crime, because of course we know how big a problem youth crime is in Victoria at the moment, and they came up with a really novel idea because last year, fifty percent of the people who were locked up in youth prisons were African, so clearly there is an issue with crime in young African community.

So they had this bright idea at this roundtable, which produced a report that came out with six potential answers to youth crime.

They said we should have segregation.

Now I'm not kidding.

They said we should investigate the idea of a court specifically for alleged African offenders, essentially an African court, a court that operates on a racial basis that would deal with matters slightly differently to.

Speaker 1

A normal youth court.

Speaker 2

Would Why they specifically need that in the African community, I don't know.

Speaker 1

But one of the.

Speaker 2

Sort of leaders of the African community, doctor burn Ahmed, he runs Africaus, which is a mob that does youth services down in Victoria.

He said, if culture is the problem, then culture must also be the solution.

African kids need a justice process that speaks their language and involves their community.

A culturally appropriate system can treat children fairly, help them take responsibility, and support their exit from the justice system, rather than entrenching them in it.

Speaker 1

And the suggestion from.

Speaker 2

This report that was produced after the Aramati roundtable is that you know, these African courts would be more participatory, and they would be less formal than a normal court, and they'd have community elders involved to give advice.

Now we kind of opened ourselves up to this, I think, Jamie by having they have a Victoria Curi courts, and I know they do the same in South Australia to some degree.

I don't know whether they do it in New South Wales and other parts of the country.

Speaker 1

But you know, you say, we.

Speaker 2

Have special courts that deal with Aboriginal matters that takes into account their laws, which of course is not the law of the land, so they shouldn't exist in the first place.

But now we open it up and say, oh, well, maybe we should have African ones as well.

I mean, I thought we were all meant to be equal under the law.

Speaker 3

You're spot on, Caleb.

This is certainly not a solution.

This is such a terrible idea.

We live in Australia.

We all need to be abiding by the zach same laws because if you've got different courts for different cultures, think about the chaos.

Speaker 4

And the anarchy that's going to follow within this country.

Speaker 3

You know, we've had other immigrants come to the country and we haven't had Vietnamese courts, we haven't had to have Chinese courts because we're all one, and that's how we should be treating this.

And we need to be really tough on crime and Victoria, as we always mentioned, they are an absolute basket case at the moment with the increase in crime.

And when you were just talking about some of the professors and their reasoning behind doing this court, there is actually a respected South Sudanese criminal lawyer who has actually said this isn't a good idea because unlike the indigenous community that have got a really long history within Australia, the African communities are all so different that he can't see this working.

But he said, instead, let's invest this money in time and put South Sudanese children into sport and actually focus on other issues.

So I think this is a solution that's certainly not a good one.

Kayleb I can't see this working at all.

Speaker 5

Well, that was going to be my question.

Speaker 6

If you're a white South African migrant or someone who is not necessarily black, but you are from Africa, do you still count under the African court system.

Speaker 5

Or is it actually about race?

Speaker 6

And even if you do say this will apply to all African people regardless of their skin color, what about the diversity of cultures within Africa.

Speaker 5

You have everyone from.

Speaker 6

Egyptians, Sudanese, South African, Zimbabweins, Tanzanies.

I mean, the list goes on and on, all different, all distinct, all different communities, different cultures.

This is a recipe for disaster.

It's a similar mentality to what we saw during the voice.

It's this idea that somehow we're going to make everything better by treating people differently.

Speaker 5

But that is not the answer.

Speaker 6

It's about what we have to do is affirm our oneness, our unity as Australian people.

And ultimately, if we just say African kids will be held to a lower standard than other kids, that is the racism of low expectations.

All that will do is entrench the idea that well you're an African kid, you're going to end up in front of the criminal justice system.

And not only that, you're not going to face the same rules as everyone else, you're going to have special rules.

Speaker 5

What kind of message does that send?

Speaker 2

And you know, it's the idea that you say, we have a crime problem in a certain ethnic community.

As I said, fifty percent of young people in youth prisons in Victoria last year or Africans.

So we've got a problem in this community here.

So what we'll do is actually just make the whole system a bit softer to deal with it.

That's not how you fix crime.

I think anyone who's worked in the sector and who's not a bleeding heart could tell you that.

And another thing that Victoria is doing exceedingly well I say with my tongue in my cheek on crime.

You might remember the story a month or so ago where you had one of the private providers of ankle bracelets in Victoria just disappeared overnight and they didn't tell the state government that they were shutting down.

So all these ankle bracelets that were on alleged offenders or people who've been.

Speaker 1

Released on parole, etc.

Speaker 2

We're walking around without them working.

So the Victorian state government said, right, we're going to ban private providers from getting involved in the ankle bracelets that are distributed around Victoria, which means the only people who can distribute and use ankle bracelets, you know it is the state government.

But the state government has decided that they're not going to do it.

So you've now got all these people who are currently wearing ankle bracelets and the entire system is shutting down next month.

Now going off to court and saying, well, I mean, there's no point me wearing an ankle bracelet anymore.

Tony Mockbell, I mean, you know, Tony Mockbell is drug kingpin.

He's had his taken off of course, after he was released through the whole lawyer x stuff earlier this year, and another bloke has now joined him, Mugid Alibadi, who is suspected to be one of the kingpins of the illegal cigarette trade in Victoria.

He's gone to court and said, well, I mean they're going to get rid of these ankle bracelets next month, so what's the point of me having one?

The court said all right, the prosecutors have got on board with it, and the only thing that's different is that he has to present to the cop shop every day as opposed to once every second day.

Speaker 1

It's not really a replacement.

Speaker 2

Like the ankle brace at least tells the system where you are, and you know if you've got curf using things on you, if you're going out at night, they can detect that sort of stuff.

Take all of this away.

Why doesn't the state government just take it on, so, yes, we'll do the angle bracelets ourselves if they don't trust the private providers.

Speaker 1

Instead of saying no, no, everyone.

Speaker 5

Just run loose, Kleb.

Speaker 3

It's the baffling question of why we're always talking about Victoria and the issues that are going on down there.

I did have to have a slight little chuckle with that mock bell.

He's not allowed within two k's of an airport, But how are you going to know that he is within two k's of an airport because he doesn't have to have an ankle monitor?

Speaker 4

And I think this is just absolutely ludicrous.

Speaker 3

So as of October ten, when this last company goes under, what are there all supposed to do?

They're now just going to be walking along free doing whatever they want.

Crime is already such a huge issue in that state.

The fact that this is just going to add I think more fuel to the fire without being able to monitor and try where these criminals are.

Speaker 5

One hundred percent?

Speaker 6

And how hard is it to just find a new provider?

Is it really that hard?

Are they're not other businesses that provide ankle monitoring services?

Is it that hard to just transfer people's bail conditions.

You were being monitored by this country company, now we're going to put you on this one.

I don't understand how it's so hard, but I feel like the Victorian government likes to over complicate everything and in turn solve absolutely nothing.

Speaker 3

Well here's one for all of the families out there or someone who likes to go and swim at your local council pool.

Well, Campbelltown at Council have let residents know that they're a local pool which was free last year in its first year of opening.

You can see it up on the screen here.

This is Campbelltown at Billabong Parkland.

So it was free on its first year of opening up.

Well, they've now let everyone know that if you're a family of four, you can get a family pass for just under a bargain guys a thousand dollars.

Now this pass is only for six months.

It is free during the winter months, I should say to use this pool, but during what they're calling the peak summertime of just October two March is one thousand dollars.

If you go in as a one off, it's eight dollars.

But families have said in order to get your money back from that cost, you'll be having to go into this pool at least forty eight times over that summer period.

Speaker 4

Now I have a really big.

Speaker 5

Issue with this.

Speaker 3

This is something that really ReBs me up when it comes to access to swimming pools.

I actually wrote an opinion piece about it in the Daily Telegraph because swimming standards in Australia are on the decline really badly, and there was recent data saying that fifty six percent of children aren't enrolled in swimming lessons compared to forty three percent in twenty twenty three.

And I put it out on social to ask like, what are some of the barriers that are stopping you putting your children into swimming lessons And people have said it's things like the cost and.

Speaker 4

The access to facilities.

Speaker 3

Now you've got this beautiful, brand new pool in Campbell which they have now priced so high.

How on earth are families and a cost of living.

Christ is supposed to be able to afford to go and take your family there.

Not only that, you will notice in that picture there's no shelter, but you can get it if you pay one hundred and fifty dollars for a hut for the day or eighty dollars for three hours, so these costs.

There's no cafe there.

They apparently will be one built at some point.

Speaker 2

But it's some hot chips.

Speaker 4

You can't get hot chips.

Apparently there's not even a vending machine, so a few.

Speaker 5

Things need to be tweaked.

Speaker 3

But the parklands have said the yearly operating costs are two point eight million dollars and the council has said they'll recover about sixty eight percent of these costs through these entry fees.

I think though, that this is outrageous because this is going to be another barrier for people going in and learning to swim, but also just having access to a pool.

We live in Australia where we are surrounded by water, and I just think learning to swim and having access to water is it's a life skill here.

But to pay a thousand dollars for a family over summer for.

Speaker 2

One thousand dollars, I expect free chips, you know, waiting for them from shelter.

Speaker 1

Build a kiosk for me.

Speaker 2

I mean, you know, I'm a member of the SAJAC, the South Australian Jockey Club, and I pay a lower rate because of course I live into state.

But I think I paid it under two hundred bucks a year, which entitles me to go to the races effectively for free after I've paid my fees for about fifty weekends a year, So two hundred bucks fifty fifty times a year and ago to the raisers or one thousand dollars.

And you know, maybe if you go forty eight times in six.

Speaker 1

Months, you'll get your money back.

Speaker 2

Like you pay your rates, you pay your rates to have the pool built, so you've handed your money over compulsorily to the council.

They then go and build the pool, and then they say you've got to pay one thousand dollars as a family for on top to be able to come and use the pool that you already paid for and that you keep paying for through your rate.

Speaker 1

So it sounds a bit like in a North Sydney where they.

Speaker 4

Were thinking.

Speaker 2

Arepool that's blown out to more than one hundred million dollars to do up there pool under the Sydney have a bridge.

Speaker 1

It's just outrageous.

Speaker 5

It is.

Speaker 6

I mean, it is true that construction costs have soared since COVID, so I don't doubt that it's cost them a lot to build.

Speaker 5

But if sixty eight.

Speaker 6

Percent of your operating costs have to come from entry fees, maybe that's not the most sustainable business model.

Maybe you should license out to cafes.

You could have other revenue raising mechanisms at the pool to cover the cost, just so families can get there.

Because what's so unfair about this is this is a pool out in Campbelltown.

They don't have beaches in Campbelltown, but families in the eastern suburbs or on the northern beaches they get to go access the water for.

Speaker 5

Free in summer time.

Speaker 6

It's also hotter in Western Sydney in summer, you're in a hotter place, less access to the water, and then the local council wants to charge you through the roof just to get to some water.

And compare this pool to Raging Waters, which is the water park in Western Sydney.

It's basically the same price as a season pass, except to raging waters.

They have water slides, they have heaps of fun stuff.

Speaker 5

This is just a pool.

Speaker 2

Are they gonna, you know, Pondye that they built out, Do you have to pay.

Speaker 1

To use that?

Speaker 2

No?

Speaker 5

I don't think so, because it's.

Speaker 1

Well they'll find a way too.

Speaker 6

They will find a way too.

If Penrith Councils took him for money, that's.

Speaker 1

Where they'll have to go.

Speaker 2

You'll have to go up the road to pin and go to Pondye instead.

The concept is rather odd, but you know, if it's the alternative to pay.

Speaker 4

To go to the pool, what are you gonna do so bad?

Speaker 6

Well, something else that makes no sense is up until recently, if you're an overseas driver, you can basically from a lot of countries come to Australia and just automatic convert your license to an Australian license.

And this has led to all sorts of difficulties, namely people from other countries not being able to read English road signs, not being able to follow out road rules, and generally causing a safety risk to other passengers.

Speaker 5

It's gotten so.

Speaker 6

Bad that one of the legal bodies that looks after road rules is actually conducting the biggest review in twenty years of this licensing scheme, mainly because of rising identity theft and document fraud.

Now one of these private driving instructors who's witnessed this first hand, has captured just how bad the situation really is.

Speaker 5

He said.

Speaker 6

The issue we're having is that so many people that sit in our car from India or Pakistan fully admit they've never driven a vehicle in their life, even though they have a full license.

One woman told me she had a full license, but she hired me because she'd never driven before.

She then pointed to the accelerator and break and asked what they were for.

Now these rules are under review.

In New South Wales you now have to sit a test if you've got an overseas license, and other states are changing their rules as well.

But to think these people have been on our roads and the statistics show that when foreigners do sit the driving test to convert to an Australian one, about fifty percent of them are failing.

Speaker 5

That is scary.

Speaker 2

I mean, thank god it was in the manually to work out what the other pedal is.

Speaker 1

What's this trottle thing.

Speaker 2

Actually, to be fair, if you put a person going for their ills today in Emmanuel car they wouldn't know what I.

Speaker 5

Have absolutely no throttle either.

Speaker 2

But it is extraordinary to think that we put kids going for their learners and their peace and these days through the absolute ringer.

I'm not sure what it is in you South Wales.

How many agents it's more than one hundred hours you have to get up.

I mean when I did it in Essay, I think it was seventy, which is a little more lening, but you have to put a lot of work in and then when you go from your LCPS, you're going for your PS again.

I'm not sure what it is different between the States, but I know in South Australia and I did.

Speaker 1

It, you could do the vehicle on road.

Speaker 2

Test at the end of getting all your hours, which was just this one test that you took at the end and you had to prove that you had all these skills enable to be able to move.

Speaker 1

On to your PS.

Speaker 2

Or you could do a logbook method, which you do with a driving instructor.

And my brother is doing the logbook method at the moment, and I said to him, was on the phone to him today and he said he's going off for a lesson.

Speaker 1

I said, how many of those things you have to do?

Speaker 2

And he said the instructor said, it typically takes sixteen to twenty lessons to get through the logbook.

I said, how much does he charge?

One hundred and eighty backs a lesson?

So you know, once you do sixty I mean twenty times.

That's a lot of money for a teenager to punt up to get their license.

Keeping in mind that once upon a time you just used to go down to the cop shop and sign a few papers and you get a license.

But we've got people coming from overseas you've never driven a car before, who can potentially just say yes.

Speaker 1

I've got a license, but I don't know how to drive a car.

The most Australian license make it makes sense.

Speaker 3

I know we put Australians under such strict rules to be able to go and get your license.

I'm blown away by how much your brother's having to pay for the driving eighty dollars.

Speaker 4

He's gone up a lot.

Speaker 3

Told me let's drive a very long time ago, but those is more around that fifty dollar mark.

But also the other issue is that when a lot of international overseas business come here or they move here, they don't necessarily go straight away to go and change their license, and a lot of them get away with not ever actually updating it and moving over.

So in essay they've made it within ninety days, you should go for your test and have it done, And in New South Wales it's within six months, but a lot of slipping through the cracks and never actually changing it over.

So you think how many are on the road that don't know the difference between the accelerator.

Speaker 2

And the break Gotel Marty and yeah, I think we should have tests every ten years for everybody to be perfectly honest, because when you see.

Speaker 1

Someone driving skills on the roads.

Speaker 2

Around the country, you go, Laddy, hell, did you get it out of a corn flake packet?

Chances are many of them probably did.

While we're talking about issues of migration over in the UK, the Starma government is waking up to the fact that Reform has just absolutely towed them up.

And I've been saying it multiple times in recent weeks, but every published poll in the UK since May has had Nigel Farage's Party Reform in the lead, and they realized that one of the big issues at the moment is migration, particularly illegal immigration.

But Labors having their conference in the UK at the moment and they've come out with a new bit of policy which is extraordinary to think.

I mean, I can't imagine this would ever even happen in Australia, to be perfectly honest, but this is how scared they are of Nigel Farage.

The Home Secretary in the UK, Savannah Mahmood has given her speech at the Labor conference and said foreign citizens will have to volunteer in their community.

They'll need to have a spotless criminal record, they'll have to speak English to a high standard, and they'll have to be a net contributor to the economy to qualify for permanent settlement and that is the equivalent in Australia of permanent residency.

So if you are a margaret in the UK and you say I want to stay here and live and work permanently, you have to be a net economic contributor.

So that means you can't be taking too much welfare.

You need to have good English, spotless criminal record, a contributor to society.

You've got to volunteer in your community.

I mean this is stuff that was almost unthinkable for a labor government to come out with when they were elected fourteen months ago.

I think it proves just how scared they are of Nigel Farage.

That you've had Sakyastam of the Prime Minister talking about with Risk becoming an island of strangers, and now you've got them coming out with what are some of the harshest migration laws I've seen in a long term.

Speaker 6

Yeah, and they're also saying it's going to take people up to ten years ten years to qualify for permanent residency.

In Australia, it's five to seven years, I believe is the average time it takes people.

So it's a long time that we're talking about.

I mean, I'm not sure the practicality is of this, how they're going to measure things like volunteering in the community.

And then the other question is well, what's going to happen to the people that don't qualify for the permanent residency.

Are they actually going to deport them or are they just going to get to stay in the UK.

Because that's the fundamental problem.

You have a lot of people in the UK illegally more coming every weekend on Saturday, and another one hundred and fifty cross the channel on a small boat, So you've got lots of people who shouldn't be there.

I don't think the problem is really permanent residency.

It's the fact that they're there in the first place, and that's the fundamental problem.

Unless Starmer can stop the boats, all of this is just trioming around the edges.

It won't change the fundamental issue.

Speaker 3

And to your point about how do you monitor the community service, because that is certainly something that can be fudged a little bit.

But when I was actually looking into this a little bit further, regarding this spotless criminal record, well, you can actually go around about here a little bit, because migrants who commit crimes actually won't be automatically barred from being a permanent resident.

They just have to wait a little bit longer to be able to reapply, and then they might be encouraged to then go for a different visa, and then at that visa process is where they then could be denied because they have a criminal record.

So it just felt like it was a lot of roundabout circles.

But by this point to your time, this could be ten fifteen years down the track where they've still been living in the UK.

So they have said though that they will be deporting them whether or not that happens.

Speaker 2

Is I mean, they're trying to find a halfway house because Farage, you said that he get rid of permanent settlement all together and potentially even considered deporting people who are already permanent residents.

Speaker 1

In the United Kingdom.

So he's gone all in on.

Speaker 4

It and said was quick to call him a racer.

Speaker 2

He said it was racist, right, So they're trying to fight a half way housey.

But this is the problem if you're trying to be half pregnant on these policies, and you know Sec Starin is trying to look like he's tough on migration, it's very hard to do that and be convincing when you have the actual product in terms of Nigel Farage, like you know, he's trying to be Nigel Farage from TIMU and it's not.

Speaker 1

Going to work.

Speaker 2

It will not if you can buy the genuine article, why would you buy the knock on?

Speaker 5

Yeah exactly, exactly.

Speaker 3

Well let's stay in the UK now and Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi, well we could say it maybe display of a little bit of hypocrisy by our leader after the flak he gave Scott Morrison back in twenty nineteen for standing on the stage with Donald Trump, when in fact, this time round, albin Esi was the keynote speaker at a Labor rally event of which kir Starmer was referring to him as his friend.

Let's take a listen to what Albo had to say when he had his time in the spotlight.

Speaker 7

But what I see here in UK Labor and this man, this leader, this Prime Minister, my friend, is the same determination that I know lives in every member of the Australian Labor Party, an absolute result to stand together and defend democracy itself.

Speaker 3

So that was our Prime minister speaking in front of the labor faithful in the UK.

Speaker 4

Let's also take a look at.

Speaker 3

What UK Prime Minister Kir Starmer had to say about Anthony Alberzi.

Speaker 8

It's been a particular pleasure to welcome Albo to our country the Global Progressives Conference on Friday as a key partner in starting up the divisive politics of the right.

Speaker 4

So I have issues with this.

Speaker 3

In particular, it really felt as though our Prime minister was over there in the UK, of which he flew a government jet to go over there, and it was like he was effectively out there campaigning for Sirquise Stamer, which I just think is really wrong for a current prime minister, and especially off the back of the flak that he gave Scott Morrison back in twenty nineteen.

I think if you're going to be calling things out like that, you also then need to be behaving by the same standard of which you were saying was so terrible.

But also how he said that he was criticizing the rise of negativity in politics and was defending a democracy that for me, when he had the high to talk about negativity and politics, he's got a very short memory of the way he behaved in our last federal election.

This is the man that literally tore down Peter Dutton to shred's personally light about medi scare light about nuclear and was out there with just such a nasty campaign, and yet he's up there on the stage talking about how.

Speaker 4

It's the right with all their device and policies.

Speaker 6

Look, all I can say is if Kirs Starmer is looking to Anthony Albanezi for inspiration, good luck to the United Kingdom.

I really hope you elect Nigel Farage and save yourself from what we have to deal with here in Australia.

But that is the fundamental point.

How is it appropriate for our prime minister to be swaning around speaking at political rallies?

Fine, if we say anyone from any side of politics is able to do that, then that's the rule.

But there's always a double standard.

The left always gets away with more than what conservative politicians do.

And I just think it's so indult algent and egotistical for Albanesi to swan into his standing ovation at the Labor Conference.

He had Julia Gillard there, the Australian High Commissioner to the UK.

Speaker 5

Wayne swan All there applauding.

I mean, it's just embarrassing.

Speaker 6

But I kind of understand why he's done it because it's probably the only positive reception he'll get.

When was the last time Albert got a standing ovation?

Speaker 2

Well, it's quite bizarre, I you know, key partner in standing up to the Look.

I know we talk here in Australia about the UK and the US a lot, but do you think people are sitting around in the UK gun she's at Elbow Bloke.

He's really given those bastards.

Speaker 1

On the right.

Speaker 2

I don't think anyone really gives a toss.

And that's not to denigrate us as a country.

It's just to say that we know our place in the world, and sure we are heavy hitters, you know, by head of population, we punch above our weight well and truly.

But is Anthony Alberzi really the vanguard of taking on the right of politics across the world.

I mean, he's got a meeting with Donald Trump next month.

I guess that's when we'll find out whether he really can stand up to the right and be the vanguard.

Because I'll tell you who isn't, Sir Keir Starmer, because every time he gets in a room with Donald Trump, he's like a puppy dog at his feet because he knows it's the only bloke who can actually give him a bit of positive press, which is exactly what we saw in the UK last week.

Speaker 6

Well, I guess the UK is probably looking at Albanezi and going, wow, how can such an incompetent prime.

Speaker 5

Minister win so many seats?

Speaker 6

This is inspirational for Kirs Starmer, whose Prime ministership is hanging on by a thread right now.

So I guess they are alike in many ways, but also in the UK Kiirs.

Speaker 5

Starmer is really.

Speaker 6

Pushing this idea of a digital ID roll out now.

He claims it's somehow going to stop illegal immigration.

Speaker 5

But he was quizzed.

Speaker 6

About this by a reporter and looked so flustered it's like he had no idea what he was talking about.

Speaker 9

Have to deal with this as who are prepared to hire people illegally are not asking them for their National Insurance card.

Speaker 8

So what's the evidence?

Speaker 1

What makes you think they're suddenly going to ask them for a digital idea?

Speaker 8

We need to be really clear, you must have an ID mandatory digital ID in order to work, because we have to stop illegal working.

But there's no point people saying to me, why do we need it when we all acknowledge there is a problem people are working illegally in our eclomy.

It is amongst the reasons that people want to come to the United Kingdom.

Speaker 6

They're working without the current ideas that you need.

Anyway, I don't understand how making it digital is all of a sudden going to solve the problem.

As the reporter said, if employers want to flo out laws, they're going to flout laws.

Speaker 5

And to be honest, if there.

Speaker 6

Are illegal migrants in the UK, isn't it better that they're at least working than just sitting around and claiming benefits like a bunch of others are.

I mean, yes, it's the cash economy, but at least they're being productive.

What is I guess the question we have to ask is what is the true intention behind this digital id push.

It's not really going to stop illegal immigration.

It's not really going to make everyone all of a sudden want to obey the laws.

People who are working illegally will continue to do so.

But what it will do is inconvenience the other seventy million people in the UK, and it will continue to push us towards this dystopian nanny state where everything we do is monitored.

Speaker 2

I mean, it's the perfect kneed you reaction.

I found the solution.

It also happens to be the solution that gives the government the most oversight over your life that there has ever been.

Speaker 1

Oh yes, let's expand the government.

Speaker 2

The government that hasn't been able to stem the flow of illegal migrants into the country has found the.

Speaker 1

Solution to a legal migration.

Speaker 2

More government, I mean, make it, make sense.

It doesn't, you won't be able to make it make sense.

You know absolutely, This is eventually about being able to have complete oversight over everything.

You know, your banking will be linked to it.

You're paying your bills will be linked Everything will be linked to it.

Speaker 1

You want to log into your.

Speaker 2

Social media will link that to it too, right, everything will be linked to your digital ida and then the government will have the ability to turn the tap on and off if and when they want to.

And people say, oh, it's a conspiracy theorist nonsense.

How could this ever happen in a Western country.

I mean, let's just look at Germany in the thirties and forties.

People who get elected on popular platforms can turn into autocrats and if they want to do things against the people of their own country, they will do so.

You would be naive to think that people cannot abuse power.

So it's all good and well when you think it's in the right hands, but when it ends up in the wrong hands, then you're in trouble.

And by the way, they're all coming to the UK because you know that they know that there's this illegal marketing.

Do you reckon anyone paying a people smaggler to get across the channel has just gone digital ID can't.

Speaker 1

Do it anymore.

Speaker 3

That's why that reporter was so funny when she was asking Sir Kis Starmer that exact thing that our human traffickers going, ooh, just better check your.

Speaker 5

Eral ID.

Speaker 3

But one thing that Sir Kis Starma has been warned about our pensioners that they are going to be missing out on benefits here because they're guessing about two million right now don't use the internet, so they won't have access to be able to even register for their digital ID.

But to your point with that shadow economy, we spoke about this on the Sunday showdown last night where ten point eight percent of GDP in the UK is a shadow economy.

So it's already rife right now, and they're saying that more so, crime gangs are going to be growing because people will be turning to do this.

So it's already illegal to have illegal migrants working, but they're still working car washers and barbers, so i'd imagine it's just going to continue.

Speaker 2

And maybe they've been talking to Justinterer out one down in Victoria took some inspiration from the idea that if you put up a few bins around the joint.

Speaker 1

There will be.

Speaker 2

No more knife crime because all the machetes will be thrown away.

It is basically the same idea over in New York.

Their mayoral election is in five weeks time, and I'm sure you know about the radical socialist who's running for the Democrat Zora and ma'am Dani.

Speaker 1

Now there's been all this.

Speaker 2

Speculation about whether or not he can get up and where other people could potentially be a challenge to him.

You've got the current mayor, Eric Adams.

You've got Andrew Cuomo who used to.

Speaker 1

Be the governor, who's coming back for a run.

Speaker 2

And of course you've got a Republican in the midst as well, But no one particularly cares who the Republican is because there's no way the bloke is going to get up.

But the current mayor, Eric Adams, mayor of New York, who used to be a Democrat but sort of got dragged away from the Democratic Party after under the Biden administration they went after him with all these allegations.

He was indicted on fraud and all this sort of business which the Trump administration has thrown out.

But he's decided at this point, five weeks away from the election, that the best thing he can do, presumably to try and get in the way of Mam Danny, is to say I'm not going to be in the race anymore.

Speaker 1

Here.

Speaker 10

It has been my honor to be your mayor, and I'm proud to say that we took that victory four years ago and turned it into action.

And yet despite all we've achieved, I cannot continue my reelection campaign.

Speaker 2

And the socialist Ma'm donny said socialist things in response.

Speaker 9

It is also an encapsulation of so much of what has characterized Eric Adams's mayoralty is decisions at the behest of Donald Trump and his billionaire donors and at the expense of working class New Yorkers.

And what we see in this moment is very much what we saw the day we started this campaign in October twenty third, and necessity to finally stand up to the days of big money and small ideas being what characterized the city Hall and instead delivering for the very working pass new workers that are being placed out of that same city.

Speaker 2

Yes, so we're going to stand up to big money by having a well off, well funded.

Speaker 1

Democrat in the job.

That's going to do it.

Speaker 2

It will be interesting to see what this does in terms of the split of the vote, because that is the concern.

I mean, they do have a runoff voting system over there, so you get into all the preferential stuff.

But with Adams out of the race, does it set up the opportunity to take some votes away from Mende.

Speaker 6

Well, actually, the ranked choice system, which is what they call it over their preferential voting, only applies in the primaries and in by elections, so actually it is not at play here, and that was the major concern.

If you've got ten percent of the vote going off here ten percent there, I mean, Mamdani is just going to sail into victory.

So now the hope is that the vote will consolidate a bit more behind Angia Cuomo, the former Democrat governor turned independent.

Speaker 5

But it's still not a sure thing.

Speaker 6

Mamdani is still miraculously leading in the polls, and honestly, this election makes me very, very nervous for the future of New York.

Speaker 5

It really does.

Speaker 2

Indeed, after the break, we'll get into tomorrow's papers.

All of tomorrow's use tonight on the front of the OS, all the states are getting stuck into the Federal government over the tobacco excise.

By the way, there's also apparently a disease running or rampant.

It will turn you into a vegetarian.

You want to hear about that.

So let's get stuck into tomorrow's papers, starting with the Australian, where, of course we had another Optus outage today it says wanted an answer on another triple zero outage.

Optus takes questions on notice.

Optus is refusing to reveal what went wrong in a second out each in as many weeks that left customers blocked from reaching ambulance, police and emergency fire services.

As the Albanese government pleads with Australians to keep the faith in dialing triple zero.

The singapore Ian owned Telco on Monday took on notice the crucial question of why you uss we're not diverted to other networks when calling triple zero after a fault in the phone tower left in a phone tower, I should say, left about four thy five hundred customers in Woolenngong in New South Wales unable to reach emergency services between three am and twelve twenty pm, and Optus is so far I did to f had twelve calls that failed to connect with Triple zero.

One customer needed to use another person's phone to make the phone call.

How many times does this need to happen before we start saying I'm sorry, we have a real problem here and you have to face consequences.

Speaker 4

Well, we do have a real problem here.

Look at op just have such a terrible history.

Speaker 3

You think about the huge outage that we saw in twenty twenty three, and then in twenty twenty four they've had more issues, and then this year, within two weeks of each other, they've had this triple zero issue, And I just think these hollow apologies aren't good enough.

We need to see strong action, and I think we need to see an independent review.

It can't be anything that's linked to the current government.

It needs to be completely separate so that we can have an independent analysis of what the heck is going on at optics.

Speaker 6

Yeah, where are their engineers, where are their technical experts?

I mean, mobile coverage is a critical service.

Without it that the nation will stop.

And we've already seen this has cost people their lives in preventable tragedies that would not have occurred were the triple zero lines up and running.

So I just think, yeah, this is this is an embarrassment in the twenty first century.

Speaker 1

It is just ridiculous.

Now.

Speaker 2

The story on the front of the OS tomorrow labor, tobacco, taxi crime windfall.

The nation's police ministers have accused the Albanesi government of fueling australia surging black market tobacco trade through relentless tax hicks, demanding Canberra take responsibility for a national problem head of Thursday's meeting of State and territory ministers.

At Thursday's Police Minister's Council, attention is expected to center on the quote unquote exploding illicit market, with several state ministers warning that federal excise hikes have handed organized crime a lucrative new revenue stream while leaving state and territory police forces to shoulder the burden.

Speaker 1

It's New South Wales which is.

Speaker 2

Labor, Queensland, which is EARLNP, Tasmania, which is liberal, and Victoria, which we know is labor are all coming out and saying that this excise is a problem and that the federal government has to quote step up and take quote responsibility for allowing this to happen, and yet they keep going on, Jim Charmers, the Treasurer, the Health Minister, Mark Butler, they just will not have a bar of the idea that the tax has anything to do with it.

When you have politicians across the political divide at the state level saying and these are the people have to deal with the consequences of what's going on, saying this is a problem.

Speaker 1

They have to wake up.

Speaker 4

They do, and they need to wake up quickly.

Speaker 3

But in that same article, Jim charm says that making cigarettes cheaper is not going to necessarily affect the illegal trade at all, because tobacco revenue was up forty four million in the last budget.

Speaker 4

So it just doesn't make sense.

They need to be doing something, and they need to act.

Speaker 6

Soon well, and there should at least be some sort of federal government funding or task force set up to crack down on illicit tobacco, because this is the problem, right.

The federal government sets the excise tax, but they leave it up to the state governments to bear the cost of actually enforcing it.

Speaker 5

And that's just not fair.

Speaker 6

But you've got to look at both sides of the coin, the tax and the enforcement.

Speaker 2

And he says, By the way, you know that the excise is up four hundred and forty one million.

Fantastic You did put the excise up, you know, so that does lead to increased revenue.

In the last five years, the excise take has halved, not because people have stopped smoking, because they've gone to the illsted product.

Speaker 5

Just crazy.

Speaker 6

Well in the Herald Sun tomorrow, really shocking headline freed teen gang sparks Moure Mayhem.

Now here's an exclusive in the Harold Son Shock surge in terrifying attacks on motorists carjack city.

Carjackings are surging in Victoria, with a frightening crime running at a rate of nine a week.

A wave of carjackings has left victims, including a ninety one year old man and a mom and dad with a toddler in the back seat, deeply traumatized.

There were four hundred and eighty seven carjackings or attempted carjackings in the year to March one hundred and twenty nine, more than the previous twelve month period.

And now, as I said before, Free teen gang Sparks Mayhem.

Alleged offenders recently sped jail over violent crimes and you can see here a car, a stolen BM that drove down Burke Street in Melbourne in a police chase.

Now that is just incredible.

And to have nine carjackings a week, I mean, that's the kind of statistic you'd expect to see coming out of South Africa, to be very honest, not Victoria.

Speaker 2

And I mean this car is going down Burke Street more.

If you know Burke Street more, you know the tram tracks up the middle, So they're driving down the tram tracks and the people apparently jumped out of the car and ran off.

I think it was into Maya and someone who was walking past had to get into the car and stop it because they just got out and walked off.

But I mean, this is amazing that these carjackings.

And we were talking last week about what an issue youth crime is, particularly in terms of these carjackings, and the number was either fifty or sixty percent of the carjackings come down to a group of like a thousand kids in Victoria.

They have real problems and they're just they're not doing anything about it.

And why would they, to be perfectly honest, when it doesn't seem to affect them at the ballot box.

Speaker 3

Well, a perfect example is aactly what happened here with Burke Street, Moore where these alleged offenders were recently just spared jail time over violent crimes.

That right there, If you're not tough on crime, people will be getting out and repeat offenders.

Let's move over now to the Gold Coast bulletin where this is a story that I think is going to take attention nationally if it ends up happening.

So this is from Mayor Tom Tate has called for urgent e bike reform, no more mist and nice guy.

So tough new laws requiring e bike writers to have licenses and registeredve eagles must be rushed through Parliament before Christmas, according to Mayor Tom Tate, and the Mayor says he's fed up with a series of high profile incidents in the past week and will write to Premier David chris A fully urging him to crack down on out of control writers, telling him that can be no more mister nice guy.

And I completely agree with everything that Mayor Tom Tate has put forward.

This is something that is a huge issue.

It came up so many times in the federal election with people saying something must be done.

Speaker 2

If you've got to read, because there would have been this talk to you register, make cyclists register their bikes.

So now we're saying it all register another thing, which will come with a fee, but shape government will levy upon you.

Speaker 3

Think about the accidents that they are causing, and so if it's at least registered, then you one know who's responsible for that bike or that the device or to scooter or a bike.

And by having a license and paying for that, you don't have to have insurance, and so that will then help at least pay for some of the damages they're doing.

Speaker 6

Keep in mind, these bikes like five thousand dollars, So if you're forking out that much money on a bike, especially for your kid, I think you can spend a little bit to ensure the rest of us don't get bowled over by them when we're walking down the beach.

Speaker 2

Well, i've seen some pretty gnarly people getting around on gophers.

Should we register them as well?

The mobility scooters you know?

Speaker 6

Okay, Well, I think it's a bit different.

I mean, you can trick a mask, go to the speed of what these eves you're being tapped with the speed and they're going fly.

Speaker 2

I'm I'm sure you could trick up a mobility scooter if you wanted to.

Adelaie views will not Bob Francis who was famous radio hosts, and he used to get around with a clacksenhorn on his and he go up behind people and go off with the horns quite I was listening to the radio to actually and I heard a report that there were apparently a group of like forty kids riding these bikes together in Sydney.

Speaker 1

They got biking gangs now.

Speaker 2

Very quickly before we go to the break, the telegraph tomorrow says we've been duped.

Could be the closest many Sydney families come to achieving the Great Australian Dream.

But councils are blocking the subdivision of land for dupplex homes.

There are calls to do something about that.

And on the cans posts they say far North meat lover is afraid of turning vegetarian.

Need to be on alert for a rare disease on the rise which can cause allergies to fleshy foods and as bacter.

Speaker 1

Warning from Peter Cancector a.

Speaker 2

Last Bitzer said cases of alpha gal syndrome.

We're increasing in the region, with twelve confirmed cases in the past five years, competer three in the ten years prior.

I tell you what, I wouldn't want to be catching any disease that turned me into a vegetarian, that's for sure.

After the break, speaking of carjackings, we have our Dope of the Day.

A man said who he carjacked a woman because he was looking for something to do.

Speaker 10

That will happen.

Speaker 2

Radio time for your and my favorite segment, Don't the Day.

Today's entry is a chap by the name of Samuel Kilpatrick who carjacked a seventy four year old woman, so you can imagine what she was going through.

He said he did it because he was looking for something to do.

And you know, I'm looking for something to do.

I turn on the telly, or read a book, or pour a glass of wine or something.

Speaker 1

I don't know.

Speaker 2

He decided the idea would be to go and carjack this poor woman.

Speaker 1

So he carjacks.

Speaker 2

She's been assaulted and all the gear.

Speaker 1

He takes off with.

Speaker 2

The car drives for hours to Mellura to find someone to hang out with, apparently, and then he fills up the car.

It's a diesel car and he puts petrol in it.

So not only has he car jacked someone for something to do, he's ruined the entire car.

And he's left this poor woman twenty seven thousand dollars out of pocket because she doesn't have a car anymore.

And then she had to hire cars and take tax seas and all this sort of business.

It's quite sad in some ways, but honestly, like, if you're at the point of saying, I'm going to car jeck someone for something to do, mate, you need to be locked up for your own goods.

Speaker 5

Oh gosh.

Speaker 6

And then to put the wrong fuel in the car, like seriously, dude.

Definitely a great dope of the day.

Well Over in the US, Tina Turner's old high school has erected a three meter tall statue of her.

Speaker 5

Now from a distance, it kind.

Speaker 6

Of looks like her, but the closer you get, the worse it gets.

Speaker 5

The faith there is just no resemble.

Speaker 6

I'm not sure what's going on with the hair there, but it is simply not the best.

Speaker 5

Yes, such a shame.

Speaker 6

It could have been so good, a three meter Tina Turner, but they really botched it.

Speaker 2

Well well, Tina did also one thing that what you get is what you see.

But I think in this case you're not getting what you see because that I haint Tina Turner.

Speaker 5

No, it certainly isn't.

Speaker 7

Well.

Speaker 3

Let's head to Sydney now, where a Sydney socialite couldn't quite give up the perks of what she was getting with her ex boyfriend and continued to use his Uber accounts, racking up thousands of dollars in late night feeds.

Speaker 4

Now.

Speaker 3

Apparently, according to Confidential, it got just the point where this poor guy was going to dober in.

But in the end the socialite paid back the money.

Not that it was much of a problem because according to this article, she wasn't.

Speaker 5

Strapped for cash.

Speaker 3

I don't know why he would have just changed his loge in details for his Uber eats account.

Speaker 4

But there you go.

Speaker 5

I kind of love this.

I think good on her.

I mean that's just break up.

Speaker 2

Good gone on her for being a sleep two grand she spent on uber eats.

If you're spending two grand on uber eats, I think you've got bigger problem.

Speaker 5

What was she ordering?

That's what I want to know.

Speaker 1

It's a bit like you go.

Speaker 2

On the first date and one of the most expensive thing on the menu.

Probably not advisable.

Thanks for joining us today.

Speaker 1

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