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The Late Debate | 23 September

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Speaker 1

Late Welcome to the Late Way.

Speaker 2

I think the fridge was pretty appropriate because those jokes surely were not hot.

Speaker 1

Welcome to the program.

Speaker 2

I'm pal a Bond and we're off to a good start tonight with.

Speaker 1

Frei Leitch and Holly Hughes.

Speaker 2

Here's what's coming up on the program Apart from my wonderful sense of humor.

A new study has found a growing gap between the number of girls and boys going to university.

That is, there are significantly more girls.

Speaker 1

Why would that be.

We'll discuss that soon in the papers.

Speaker 2

The Human Rights Commission thinks it should be illegal to say that you disagree with the quote unquote climate science.

Gee, I love living in China, and later you can't have any fun anymore.

The government is saying it's bad to cook while you're drunk.

I mean, what else are they going to take away from us for goodness sake?

Something that they're not taking away from us, but they're giving to us, or at least they're giving to kids in New South Wales anyway?

Speaker 1

Is AI chatbots?

Speaker 2

If you are a st in New South Wales, as of next month, you will now have access to an AI chatbot that you can ask all manner of questions and I don't know, get it to do your homework for you.

I suppose that's what they'll be working on.

They've been trialing this thing for eighteen months.

There was a story written about it in the Telegraph today in which they said the kids had been poking and prodding it, so I'm sure they've enjoyed getting on with that.

But anyway, they've developed this AI chatbot that, unlike other ones, won't be using the information you put into it to train itself, so it won't be learning on the basis of what kids tell it.

It is designed to be a spinach version.

I suppose purely for educational reasons.

You won't be able to form a relationship with it and tell that you're depressed, or say you want it to be your girlfriend, or any of this sort of stuff.

Apparently they've weeded that out.

Speaker 1

They've found some kids to prove it.

Speaker 3

It can help you with the research and study and it works as a good kind of start to get into that.

Speaker 4

Thenig it gives you is to train to edge towards towards.

Speaker 2

Necessity learning standards, which means it matches up with the curriculum.

Speaker 5

Really want if you asked.

Speaker 6

Even something like I'm feeling sad and lonely, will you be my friend?

Speaker 3

Like, what would it say?

Speaker 2

Good?

Speaker 3

So it says here it's important to talk to someone you trust, so it kind of redirects you to like actual people.

Speaker 2

Well that's good to know, I guess, and I get that.

There's an argument that AI is just going to become part and parcel of life now, so you're almost letting the kids down if you don't teach them about it.

But in the same way that we now acknowledge that kids probably have too much access to devices and are using them too much, and there is a trend now of schools reducing their use of devices, indeed having classes where devices are just not allowed at all.

I wonder whether maybe we're going too fast and too hard into this and saying, well, we're going to have the AI in.

Speaker 1

The classroom because you probably have the AI in the workplace.

Speaker 2

It's the same as we talked, was it last week or the week before about the University of New South Wales which is rolling out a very similar product within their university for students and lecturers and professors and whatever to be able to use.

Speaker 1

Surely the idea of UNI or.

Speaker 2

School is that you learn how to learn, and you actually get knowledge in your brain, and that involves doing your own research and coming to your own conclusions and memorizing things.

And I feel like we are just increasingly dumbing things down.

Speaker 1

And if you've got the AI.

Speaker 2

Chatbot at school that just spits out the answer without you really having to do any looking for it at all, you can guarantee the kids you're going to go home and log onto chat GPT and that's what they'll be using to do their homework.

So are we actually making the kids smarter or dumber?

Speaker 7

Well, that's the problem, right.

Everyone is already using chat GPT.

It is ubiquitous.

Even when I was at UNI.

People are using it for everything, and Sydney University, for example, has just given up trying to police it because you can't.

You actually can very rarely tell if someone's using AI, So when they're at school, that is basically your one opportunity to ensure kids are actually learning.

And we're seeing this trend now removing devices from schools.

A lot of private schools are leading the way in this because they've just realized, well, kids aren't actually memorizing anything they're writing, skills are poorer, and guess what, exams are still all handwritten.

And if you can't actually recall fact because you're so used to just being able to look things up, you're not going to perform well in exams and ultimately in life.

So kids will use AI anyway.

The genie is well and truly out of the bottle, but school should be the last place where that is embraced.

There's probably a good use case for it for teachers for marking and giving feedback to students, but students don't need to be using it themselves.

Speaker 8

And you're right when people.

Speaker 9

I've got a daughter about to start the HC and she does have to go into those exams and write essays and write actual thoughts down and make arguments.

Now you know if you're using a chat box, and these kids they're very good on the copy and paste as well.

And if they've got to write a five hundred word article or a five hundred word essay on something, or they've got to give a two minute speech in school on.

Speaker 5

A particular topic.

Speaker 9

The thing about AI is you can say, write me a two minute speech on topic X y Z.

Speaker 8

James Cook arrived in Australia, you.

Speaker 9

Know, they can actually get a two minute speech and AI will say to them, would you like to make this more political or conversational or more technical so they can use it to actually generate the entire format of what they're getting use.

Speaker 8

You know, for those of us who are.

Speaker 9

A little bit older and still used books, if you plan to plagiarize something, you actually still had to write it out from the book.

Weren't able to just copy and paste it over.

I was in the day of the dot matrix printers.

I don't think you even know what they are.

Speaker 1

I love when you get it.

Speaker 2

I'm just really off track, but I love when you get a book from a second hand shop and people have underlying things in the book because you know they're actually using it to learn.

I'm research and that's what we losing.

Speaker 8

I swear to God.

Speaker 9

My first marriage really broke down because my now my ex husband, but it should have ended much earlier when he lost a box of my books, and in those books were all my ancient history textbooks from three you know, Ancient History Herodotus chapter eight, with all the beautiful notes and highlighted bits in there that I had kept.

Speaker 8

If my children ever did ancient history.

Speaker 9

I had it all there and he lost that box of books and can I tell you fifteen years later and I'm still angry.

Speaker 7

But it's so true because what you produce in school is actually really important and you look back on it and you can be proud of yourself and just go, wow, I actually achieved something.

I worked hard, I studied.

But when you just replace everything with AI.

I do think the next generation will lose that.

Speaker 9

Don't how boring their dinner party conversations are going to be, though.

Speaker 8

They're going to actually have.

Speaker 9

Nothing that they could skills or experience from it because they never really read a book.

They never looked into anything.

And there's nothing like holding a book in the paper and actually writing a note in the side of it and someone yelling at you writing in a book.

Speaker 7

But for sure, well, another area where education is really letting our country down is the tertiary education sector.

Now, we've spoken a lot about universities, but one of the things that never ceases to amaze me is how much some of these vice chancellors and executives are getting paid.

There's a parliamentary committee that has just done an inquiry into university governance, and they've suggested that we review the quote unquote outrageous sellalleries of some of these vcs.

Now there are three hundred university executives who earn more than state premiers.

The highest paid vice chancellor is at the University of Canberra on one point seven million dollars, then Monash one point five, Melbourne one point four.

You get the picture.

Many of them are earning over a million dollars a year.

And what's so bad is that the G eight universities, the Group of eight, those are the Sandstone unis, like unsw UNI melb They often have the highest salaries yet the lowest student experience.

Yeah, you do have to ask if these unis are consistently getting rated as having a poor student experience, poor graduate outcomes, really just trading off their reputation and architecture, not actually providing a good education, why should some of these vice chancellors be earning double what the prime minister's earning.

Speaker 10

It does seem outrage.

Speaker 9

To be fair, most of them are probably twice as smart as the prime minister, so we.

Speaker 8

Do have to keep that true.

Speaker 2

And I've always found the comparison of the Prime minister's salary in odd one because the PM we all know is compared to the private sector thoroughly under.

Speaker 9

Yeah, but it does get a kind of a night, couple of nice houses to live in in, a couple of cars, nice jet.

Speaker 7

But I guess the point is that universities should not be treated like the private sector because they rely overwhelmingly on taxpayer funds and they have become so bloated now beyond what they were originally intended to do.

Speaker 10

They basically turned.

Speaker 7

Into multi billion dollar corporate behemoths instead of actually something that serves the national good.

Speaker 2

And I think that's the thing is it's obviously market forces that lead to these salaries being so high.

And from that perspective, I kind of go, well, if that's what is being demanded by the market, then that's simply what you have to pay.

Speaker 1

That's how the world works.

Speaker 2

But as you say, they get a lot of public money, and when you get a lot of public money, I think the public has a right to sort of put some terms and conditions on how that money gets spent.

And fundamentally, what they do now is they take a lot of public money, but then they want to take as much money full totals as well as they can get from foreign students, and they cry every time someone says, oh, well, maybe we should put the foreign student intake because it's the golden goose and they don't want to get rid of it.

And so our universities really serving their purpose, I don't think they are.

So you can get a lot of money out of the government and then go and pay someone at nearly one point eight million dollars to run the show because they're the chief executive.

But why are we investing in that if we're not getting the return.

Speaker 9

With well, and I think we need to be really clear on what is the return we're expecting because we have students that go to university and you know, I used to always see my university's experience was an opportunity to learn how to learn, as opposed to what you were specifically being taught as some of the content and a lot of that's being lost.

Then you've also got the really important part of the people you go to UNI with that you go through your career and at different times you're crossing paths and you've still got those experiences.

But universities also were centers of excellence where there used to be really significant research and proper research done, and then you know, graduates from university would go on to be fellows and professors and continue that research and development of courses.

And I think if it is the market that's demanding, that's why these salaries that need to be paid.

There does need to be a performance lever there and how it's managed, Like, what are the sort of I'm not a believer in directed research.

Speaker 5

I think research should go where it goes.

But what sort of.

Speaker 9

Research is being generated from the university sector and the universities themselves, and what is the student experience and the student experience post university Because it's.

Speaker 5

Extraordinary when you talk to employers what.

Speaker 9

They tell you about how capable these kids are to move into the workforce, and most of them not bury at all because they've had no experience.

Well, my other thing, just to finish for a universities, we should move some of those courses like nursing and teaching and others back into the workplace, more practical training, rather than keeping them cloistered in.

Speaker 5

The sandstone, not necessarily learning on.

Speaker 2

The I mean to even become a teacher.

These days, they basically speak you to have a master's.

What was so bad when we had teachers colleges and they got a diplomas.

The best teachers I had in primary school came from that crowd.

Speaker 1

And it were talking before about books.

Speaker 2

I've still got My year six teacher gave me the dictionary when she retired that she used when she was at teachers College.

Speaker 5

Were you your teachers pet?

Speaker 1

No?

But I really love that.

I loved this Oxford Dictionary.

Speaker 2

I'm a journalist, writer by trades.

I always had a fascination with language and I loved this Oxford Dictionary that she had in the classroom and it's got notes and whatever from when she went to teachers College.

Speaker 1

And I love that book.

Speaker 2

But you talk about the kids that are going off to universe, and there's some new researchers looked over ten years at the kids and I'm not talking about foreign students, so talking about that before, but the kids that are coming out of Australian schools and going into university.

And I'll preface this by saying that I don't think everyone should go to university.

In fact, I think there are too many people going to university.

I think one of the biggest problems with the university sector in this country was when the Gillard government uncapped enrollments and basically said to everyone go off to UNI.

That's when they turned into big businesses.

And I don't think that it served the unis or the kids who go there well, because quite a few of them don't end up completing their degrees.

But when you look at who is ending up at UNI, it's far and away.

According to this new study, girls and like stark numbers in terms of how many girls are going.

So, for instance, if you're talking about independent schools, fifty eight percent of girls end up graduating from university after they've gone to school, whereas or boys it's forty eight percent, So that's a ten percent difference.

Speaker 1

It's really stark.

Speaker 2

When you get to public schools, forty percent of girls in public schools end up graduating from UNI, twenty seven percent of boys.

In Catholic schools, it's fifty four percent of girls versus thirty five percent of boys.

Speaker 1

Now, again I'm not saying everyone ought.

Speaker 2

To go to university, but very clearly here boys are not getting there.

Speaker 1

Now this is graduating from UNI.

Speaker 2

So they maybe we'll be going off and starting a degree and then not finishing it, and I suspect that's a great deal of them.

But if it's like forty percent verse twenty seven percent in government schools, I reckon it means that.

Speaker 1

And you can see it in the school results.

Schools are built for girls.

Speaker 2

These days, well boys, boys are being left behind in terms of their academic results, and no one really wants to talk about.

Speaker 7

And also what does that do in a culture where credentialism is still a thing, where university is seen as the ultimate path to success.

If you only have twenty seven percent of boys from public schools finishing UNI, but forty percent of girls, I mean this is a fact about female biology generally, across cultures, across.

Speaker 10

Time, women like to date up.

Speaker 7

Now, we've got a crisis of singleness and a collapsing birth rate, partly because women are overachieving relative to boys.

And it starts in the education system, and it has a whole range of social, cultural, economic implications.

I think we need to value trades more and also have an actual middle class where you can have a comfortable life without having gone and gotten a university degree.

We've hollowed out the middle class.

We disparage trades, we force everyone into UNI and it's boys that are getting left behind.

Speaker 9

Well, it was a very interesting day for my family.

I can say when many of you know I have a son with autism and to hear Donald Trump announced to the world that he now knows what causes it.

Apparently it's paracetamol.

So if a mother takes paracetamol whilst pregnant, she is more likely to have a child who develops autism.

Now not quite sure that's true.

If we went back sixty seventy years, they used to think autism was caused by refrigerator mothers, and that was mums who were cold to their children and so they developed autism.

Speaker 5

We have had a response.

Speaker 9

Today from the Therapeutic Goods Association in dispute of this claim that is being made by the Trump administration.

There are a lot of reports and studies out there.

If you're a mum that's pregnant at the moment, obviously don't take you medical advice from me.

But a panidole is something that or paracetamol is something that is one thing that you are able to take if you have a fevor or you've got something called you're pregnant.

I know as a mom, how well you look after you said whilst you are expecting a baby.

But what really gets me is this need to always put a cause onto autism.

Over the years, as it's been looked at, it's a neurological development.

Every study has shown that really it is more about genetic traits.

But it's also the tony in this argument that autism is somehow the worst thing that can ever happen to you if you have a baby, if your child has autism.

So I would just like to say to all the mums out there that who do have kids with autism, it certainly isn't the end of your life.

It's not the worst thing in the world that's going to happen, and that baby is going to bring you more joy than you could ever ever imagine.

And if you don't think autism mums have a sense of humor, My beautiful big man who's sixteen now and.

Speaker 5

Goes to a special school.

Speaker 9

I just got a one of comment on one of the chat groups from all the parents.

Speaker 8

At the special needs school.

Speaker 9

All right, not too much parasitamal tonight, mums and dads with laughing emoments.

Speaker 1

Later, unfortunately, would s it's.

Speaker 9

A very serious issue, but I think it's one that we just need to be very mindful that they do look at lots of links all the time.

What causes it, you know, that's genetics, it's maybe some environmental it's a change in the diagnostic criteria.

Speaker 5

There's a lot a lot of spectrum.

Speaker 9

It's not the end of the world, and it's certainly not the odd paracetam mold that I think you've got to be worried about it.

Speaker 2

And I think that that's what's odd about this because this has been studied for a long time and there are a great deal of studies, some of which suggest that there may be a link between a mother using paracetamol and then a child developing autism.

Speaker 5

Or or other neurological issues.

Speaker 2

This is you can see on the screen.

There is one from Harvard that was published last month, and one can only think that's probably what's spurred the Trump administration to come out with this.

Wholly mentioned that the TGA, the Therapeutic Goods Administration here in Australia before they said paracetamol remains pregnancy Category A in Australia, meaning it's considered safe for use in pregnancy.

The TGA has no current active safety investigations for paracetamol and autism, more paracetamol and eurodevelopmental disorders more broadly, fair Enough, they're saying it's fine for you to still use Donald Trump though advisors that you should stay away from it if you are a pregnant woman.

Speaker 1

Now, look, I have.

Speaker 2

No issue in saying that there are studies going on and we should look at links and potentials.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 2

Fine, I mean that's what that's the point of science and medicine, right.

But when Trump comes out and says stuff like he did at Charlie Kirk's memorial and then comes out with what he said today, I think there is a problem.

Speaker 11

I think we found an answer to autism.

How about that how it happens so we won't let it happen anymore, and how to get at least somewhat better when you have it.

Speaker 2

We've found the answer, We've found I don't think we've found the ants.

Speaker 10

Well did he say we found the answer or anna?

Speaker 5

I think he said the answer.

Speaker 7

I think if you look at the White House's website on their facts section where they released a briefing on this, it does say may be linked to autism.

I think Trump always loves to be a bit theatrical.

Speaker 10

About these things.

Speaker 7

And what I do find strange is the hysteria that seems to be erupt when people simply want to investigate what could potentially be going on.

Why is it such a bad thing to want answers?

I get we may not ever know the specific answer, or there could be many factors, which I assume there are, but.

Speaker 10

At least have the conversation.

At least invest the money.

Speaker 7

You think about the amount of money we're now spending on the NDIS and the number of especially young boys be suffering with this.

We need to invest money in figuring out what's going wrong.

Speaker 9

Well, Australia has the highest climbing rate of autism wrecked correlation to when the NDAs goes all of a sudden and there was a change in diagnostic criteria.

But there is nothing wrong with investigating.

Everyone would love to know where many many disabilities come from and if you could prevent them or not.

We did work in Federal Parliament on mitochondrial disease.

Speaker 5

So there's lots of things that are good and positive.

Speaker 9

But to come out and say it's the mother's fault because you had a headache and you took a panet off.

Speaker 2

And the over diagnosis is a huge pole.

I mean, look you look at someone sort the sideway is the wrong way these days ago you must have all just because you can't look me in the eye.

Speaker 9

It is absolutely well, that's it's going to fix.

The AO chatbots let me about.

Speaker 8

They're the kids that are going to break through.

Speaker 2

And come in as focus as well.

And they got rid of that and it all became alder.

Now it's you know, anyway, it has become a caravan on shall we perspected?

Speaker 1

Now?

Speaker 2

There was a story in the news court papers today about people packing up their lives and moving off in the van van life they call it.

Speaker 1

It's become a bit of.

Speaker 2

A trend on social media for people to document that, you know that they've sort of left the house behind and they've decided they're going to go from be it and hippies or something.

But there was a family was telling this story to the Daily Telegraph.

Family is six so two parents, four children, and they've decided that they weren't happy with the mundane day to day life that they were living.

Speaker 1

You can see them there.

Speaker 2

So they bought a caravan and now they're living their life around the country.

Here is a few of these families explaining their decision.

Speaker 6

Every day is an adventure and you wake up in and brand new place.

Speaker 4

Sometimes you need to disconnect from all the stresses and all the houses in life and just get everyone together up and just spend some time just chilling.

Speaker 6

Really, I love the fact that we can be all together and we're spending quality time together and not having to worry about the daily grind and being in different places and having to get to work in daycare.

Speaker 4

When you go camping, you kind of all together in the one spot and you disconnect.

No technology, no iPads.

Speaker 2

I mean, good luck to you if that's what you want to do.

I can't say it appeals to me.

Speaker 1

Exact you, honey.

Speaker 9

I think it's my version of hell, and I can say that in absolute certainty.

I had three children, The thought of packing up every day, having to get them all in.

Where do you put six people in a caravan?

Like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Some people might think it sounds glamorous.

Speaker 1

No, it must be a.

Speaker 8

Kids never stop eating at that age.

Where do you put the food?

Speaker 1

Well, where's the bread?

Speaker 10

Grocery stores on the road.

Speaker 9

Not if you're camping in the middle of nowhere and unpacking the chairs and packing the.

Speaker 2

T No, it must be like I remember Heaven Foley, the former treasure of South Australia, when I asked what they were going to do with prisoners, he said, we're going to.

Speaker 1

Rack them, pack them and stack them.

I think that must be what they do with the kids in the caravan.

Speaker 10

I just love this.

Speaker 7

I think in modern life you spend so little time with your family, especially at the age of those kids are.

I mean, that is awesome.

Most families send their kids to school.

You never see them on the weekends.

They're doing extracurricular activities.

And that's part of what's gone wrong in modern society, the breakdown of the close knit family.

So I personally love this.

I if I could, I would probably join the band.

Speaker 1

Life with my kids.

Speaker 9

They were little and we did quite well in a house and spent lots of time together.

Speaker 5

But bathrooms and showers.

Speaker 2

What's to stop you getting rid of your joint and go by the caravan?

Speaker 7

Being here on the lake debate every four nights and someone a caravan path.

I mean you could, but moving full time is a little bit.

Speaker 1

It's a lot everything old.

Is you again?

Right, you'll at home?

Speaker 2

Remember the Layland brothers and drive.

Speaker 10

A little a little bit.

Speaker 1

I mean they were doing it in the eighties.

Speaker 5

There's my child who it was.

Speaker 7

That was on They really were ahead of their times.

Well, speaking of roads, this is a bit of a peculiar story.

The South Australian government has withdrawn their consent to release road safety data that's been collected, so things like crashes, that sort of stuff.

Now they say it's kind of strange the reason they're sighting.

They're saying they're questioning the data's accuracy.

Now, this data is what then goes in to determine roads safety ratings and that impacts which roads get upgraded.

But Caleb, for a government to not want certain data released, it does make you ask why is it really the data is inaccurate or is it the data is not telling them what they want want it to say?

Speaker 2

Well, every other state has released the data, so that this is the first time it was.

Speaker 1

Going to be released publicly.

Speaker 2

I think there's a Queensland and Tasmania have yet to be completed.

But every other place has had this data collected about the state of the roads and everywhere else has let it go out, but sound Strate it said, oh no, we can't tell you what's really going on with the roads.

And this is a real problem because it's like this is the data that gets used to determine speed limits and all this sort of stuff.

I reckon it's because they know how bad the roads are, the condition of the roads, and they just don't want people to know about it.

But if you drive on country roads, I can tell you or you.

Speaker 1

Know about it.

Speaker 8

But it's being done by a federal body.

Speaker 9

So I would have thought they would want it out there so that they can go and make the case this is why you've got to give us more money, and why Mallly isn't putting it out there as they come into a state election going hey, Albo, maybe need a bit of money for this one, this one and this one because in the report it says how bad they are, and so I don't understand why South Australia would want to keep this under under the carpet.

Speaker 7

It's very suspicious.

But on a similar theme, another thing that's really suspicious is what's going on down in Victoria.

They really like to take the whole surveillance state thing to the extreme.

They're now trialing a new road safety camera that can catch drivers committing everything from red light running a red light, to driving in bus lanes, not wearing your seatbelt, using your mobile phone, and it's all going to be hooked up to your digital ID.

Speaker 12

I'm just checking that's coming.

Speaker 2

In fact, they will do a direct gibbet from your bank account before you've even had a chance to look at the fuss and.

Speaker 7

You'll see you'll see your social credit score just start to tick down, and it'll be very hard.

But so this is a US company, Verra Mobility, and it is strange.

I mean, I'm all for road safety.

I like it, but this idea of sort of an omnipresent road camera that can surveil drivers when they're doing absolutely anything is a bit disconcerting.

Speaker 2

It's at what point does it change from road safety and become revenue raising?

I think you know it's so you'll be going three kilometers over the limit with your phone in your hand and your seat belt off, and bang that'll be your license go on for about twenty seven years.

Speaker 1

I mean, for goodness sake, I understand.

Speaker 2

The idea to try and reduce crashes and whatever.

I think we all get it, we're all behind it.

But if you're building a system that you can do everything and then they'll eventually put it everywhere they can possibly get it, the idea is not necessarily to reduce crashes and speeding safety.

Look if you look at some of the places where they put speed cameras, you know they're on stretches of road where you go, well, this's not really much happens here, but they know they're going to catch your speeding.

Speaker 1

It's about the revenue.

Rais.

Speaker 9

Go up Oxford Street in Sydney where the speed limit changes every ten meters and the fines are just racking up as people are driving along one thing.

But you know, I've got a theory about why they need to keep raising revenue across the board because we keep paying the wages of green staffords.

And we've discussed on the program this week, and we've had about Charlie Kirk's memorial and some of the discusting comments that have been made.

But David Shubrid's chief of staff has come under fire for some of the comments that she has made on social media media with regards to the murder of Charlie Kirk.

Now, the thing that gets me about this and freedom of speeches is absolutely what I support, but there is not freedom from consequence.

You know, you can say things that are offensive, but that doesn't mean that it is free from consequence.

Now she's a Green staffer, there is absolutely nothing that is going to happen.

She's probably going to be being cheered and egged on by those in and around the Greens Party.

But the reality is these staff is are paid by the taxpayer, They are paid by you and me, and this is the sort of behavior they're undertaking.

And I just think it goes to the heart and nature of the Greens Party, of how disrespectful they are of public discourse, of how they are incapable of engaging in proper conversation, and they are so at the fringes and flanks that I mean, they're unicorn farmers who just are consistently creating more and more issues across our country because of their inability to ever see sense, whether it be socially or economically.

Speaker 2

So the twitching question, why do bad things always happen to the worst people who are actively trying to make the world a more dangerous and violent place.

Speaker 1

I guess we'll never know.

Speaker 2

She says, by the way, that that was about some personal incident and nothing to do with Charlie Cook.

Speaker 1

Now that one.

Speaker 2

It would be great if instead of the tone leasing bull about Charlie Kirk, the left in America and elsewhere was focused on how to prevent how this will be used by the radical right wing to harm communities and consolidate power.

Well, I mean, if you didn't shoot a bloke in the neck, it probably wouldn't be an issue, would it.

I cannot emphasize enough this is another tweet.

How beside the point empathy for Charlie Kirk is in the question of power.

Even if every progressive condemns this, they are still going to use it against us.

Speaker 1

Or use I think is what to type us as type of my page.

Speaker 2

But again, I mean, if the guy wasn't shot dead in the neck in front of a crowd, we probably wouldn't be dealing with this problem, would we.

Speaker 1

Well.

Speaker 7

She also repeated the ridiculous propaganda that somehow Tyler Robinson, the alleged assassin, was a far right person and the real reason that killed Charlie Kirk was because he wasn't far right enough, I mean, give me a break.

And what's so hypocritical from the left is like three weeks ago they were having a meltdown about a gene's ad Sydney Sweeney.

Oh it's racist, it's violent, it's horrendous.

Speaker 10

We have to cancer, we have to handle her.

Speaker 7

And now a father has been assassinated in front of the world, and why do we even feel bad for him?

That's so silly.

I mean, seriously, where is the humanity?

And the Greens is a political party, have done so much damage to Australia and to our social cohesion.

I am perplexed as to how anyone can vote for them.

Speaker 9

Well, if they didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any standards at all.

That has always been the way of the Greens.

Speaker 1

I'll tell you someone else.

I don't have a great deal of sympathy for it the moment.

Speaker 2

Prince Harry, and you'll know, of course, that he was in the UK last week and managed to get a meeting with his father, and the word is that he would apparently like to spend a bit more time back in the UK and see his family, But the King's apparently doland to bag her off Essentially he's made here that you can't be you're.

Speaker 1

Half in, half out.

Speaker 2

A royal source said, the King has been absolutely clear and upholding his late mother's decision that there can be no half in, half out public role for members of the family.

That means if you want to be part of the royal family, you're in for the whole shebang.

You're in for the public service.

Speaker 1

Good on him for doing it.

You left us, you left all this behind, you know, as your grandmother was dying.

You're crapped all over.

Speaker 9

Absolutely bought a bucket on them at the worst possible time.

Speaker 1

You know what.

Speaker 9

I've got an idea though, for half in half hour, Harry can go back and Megan can.

Speaker 5

Stay over in the stage.

Speaker 9

So half of them goes back in and one half stays out.

And I figured that's that's the good half with how we should work with.

Speaker 7

That, And that really was the Queen's position, and so Charles is just reinforcing what the Queen said, and it makes perfect sense.

Being a royal is a privilege, but it comes with responsibility and you can't take all the benefits, the title and the money and the security without actually serving the people.

Speaker 10

It's not fair.

Speaker 9

But then don't you feel though at the moment we've got Sarah Ferguson who's looked at the failures of Mega Markle's ventures and how some of this behavior has been occurring, and she's turned around and gone, hold my dear.

And now it's come out that Fergie had decided to write gushing emails to Jeffrey Epstein about what a wonderful Supreme friend he was.

Speaker 1

Is it like King.

Speaker 5

The Supreme Leader?

Speaker 9

Do you know they do excellent fried chicken?

Just an advertising there there's a.

Speaker 1

Great North Korea.

Speaker 9

No, not in North Korea, there's a place called Supreme Leader.

When you said that, sorry, Korean off track a little, people.

Speaker 8

But the fact that the Duchess of.

Speaker 9

York at any stage thought this was a good idea, and now a number of charities have dumped her from the boards, I think, as they well should.

But the fact that Andrew and Fergie are consistently finding themselves in more and more hot water over there hies to Jeffrey Epstein, and the way that they aim to continue those relationships long after he had been convicted of child sex crimes, I think is a very bad call from them, and clearly we might now know who was giving Harry and Meghan some advice before they did do the mexit.

Speaker 1

Why would you write.

Speaker 8

Like this is someone who had a toe sucked?

Speaker 5

The mind.

Speaker 7

Boggles and Supreme friend, it is a weird it's a weird turn of phrase.

Speaker 10

Supreme friend, what does that mean?

Speaker 7

I feel like there's so much more to this story that is still yet to come out.

Speaker 9

Well, apparently he'd lend her a lot of money, and I think this was her way of trying to apologize from the family with themselves.

Speaker 1

And don't forget she was married to Pristander as well.

But you know what, I'll give you a quick tip.

Speaker 2

If you're going to criticize your friends in public and then apologize to them later, I don't think that's the sort of friend you should be hanging out with.

Real friends don't criticize their friends in public just to save face.

Speaker 1

They stand by their friends anyway.

That's what I believe.

Speaker 2

After the break, we'll get into the newspapers to Peter malinowskis the Premier of South Australia.

He's giving it to what he calls the eco purists, says let's get on with gas.

Speaker 1

Good on him.

That more soon.

Speaker 2

Right, Oh, let's get stuck into the papers.

We'll start with the olds tomorrow, Frank.

Speaker 7

Some great headlines tomorrow.

The top one is still out in the cold.

Albanezi denied Trump meeting yet again.

Anthony Albanesi is prepared to leave New York with only a handshake and fleeting encounter with Donald Trump amid rising internal government expectations the US President will soon host the Prime Minister at the White House for an official bilateral meeting, as mister Albanzi came under fire of the claims he'd been snubbed again by the Republican billionaire.

The Australian government is understood to be of the belief that the Trump administration has reached a favorable internal decision to meet with the labor leader.

So all still up in the air.

Will they won't they?

Let's see here was Scott Morrison earlier this evening on the Kenny Report.

Speaker 13

They've exchanged pleasantries over the phone and we all understand the closeness historically of the relationship and I'm sure that's all been reaffirmed.

But there are big issues in the Indo Pacific and our security relationship that we share with the United States in the region, and these conversations, there's always important issues that you really get into the details of.

Speaker 7

I mean, to go all the way to New York to the US and only get a handshake that is pathetic from Melbourne easy, I not even get.

Speaker 1

A cap the language.

Speaker 2

And I'm not sure whether this is sort of paraphrasing government sources or whether it's actually how the Odds has written it, but to say, you know that the government is of the belief that the Trump administration has reached a favorable internal decision to meet with.

Speaker 1

The labor leader.

So what is that actually favorable?

You know what?

Speaker 5

Can I make a suggestion?

Speaker 9

They should have put that through chat GPT and said what does this actually mean?

Speaker 5

Because that means.

Speaker 9

Nothing, and you're not constantly getting told there's going to be a meeting and bilateral a side meeting.

Now it's a handshake.

I mean, it's just it's getting embarrassing.

And it's been really interesting to see the tone change.

Speaker 5

Of you know, all the labor accolytes.

Speaker 9

Saying how great it was going to be, was definitely going to get a meeting, and now, of course that doesn't look like it's going to happen.

And poor Matt fist always sent out today.

Oh that problem, Matt, Matt Matte.

Sometimes you've just got to ignore the talking points.

Speaker 1

Love.

Speaker 5

That was terrible.

It is not a good things good.

Speaker 1

Yeah, you know.

Speaker 7

And I think that comment is a whole lot of nothing, and probably alban Easy stuff going, oh my gosh, we need to control the pr of this.

Let's leak something to the ohs.

But in reality it's a whole lot of nothing.

Still no meeting locked in, so still an embarrassing performance from alban Easy.

Also in the Australian Tomorrow Gas for Green Goals Malle, South Australian Premier Peter Malanowskis has staged a stunning cross border intervention to fast track the stalled Narrabrie gas project in New South Wales and take an aim at Instagram eco purists for opposing the fossil fuel and putting the transition to net zero emissions at risk.

The onshore four billion dollar NARRABRII field, owned by South Australia Santos, could fix a looming East Coast gas shortage and help back up the state's renewables reliant grid, but a decade of regulatory delays and legal challenges have thwarted progress on the development.

Mister Malinowskis will tell the Australian's Energy Nation Conference on Wednesday it is now time to bring the project online, with a nod to New South Wales Premier Chris Means as a leader equally cognizant of the need for more domestic gas supply to achieve net zero goals.

And that's the thing with gas.

Malely raises a good point.

You're not going to get to net zero without increased gas supply.

Speaker 10

It's a key.

Speaker 7

Transition energy source.

And so whether you support climate action or not, everyone can agree we need more gas.

Speaker 9

Absolutely and well done.

You know, I think congratulations to Melanaskis and Pilling.

I'm putting this out there, but you know, maybe you can give Chris bow And a call.

Speaker 2

Well there's a few liberals who could take a leaf out of it.

Speaker 9

Well, you know, I think we could start looking at a few of the liberals who really put roadblocks up for the narrabride gas.

I lived up in that part of the world for a long time and we have idiots with the lock the gates, and it was incredible when community members from Maureen around went down to Narrowbie to actually learn how it was going to work and what was going to happen with it, how people went from hearing the propaganda to the actual story and going so much in supportive of what it could make for the local area.

Speaker 8

But what it could do for the whole of the East Coast.

And we need more gas.

Speaker 9

So well done, Mally, I think you know we could say well done.

Speaker 2

We cam stuff like this is why he will be the supreme leader of a South Australian for the next winning sects.

As long as he's better than Dan, he is unassailable because he's sensible.

Speaker 1

And the more he says stuff like this, the more people are back in you.

Speaker 10

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1

Well.

Speaker 7

Also in the Australian tomorrow, carbon critics must be muzzled.

Speaker 8

Well, this is Melanascar.

Speaker 12

They had a muzzlim A human rights watchdog push to outlaw false views on climate change would crash free speech and become a shield to protect Labour's green energy policy struggles.

Speaker 10

Australians have been warned.

Speaker 7

The Human Rights Commission has told the Senate that regulation is necessary to stop what it calls misinformation on climate change.

That is delaying green action and denying Australians the right to a healthy planet.

The AARHC Australian Human Rights Commission has claimed it would only want to muzzle false narratives about climate change to the point it does not interfere with freedom of expression.

Speaker 8

Yeah right, so bo puist now hate speech.

Speaker 7

Well, this is a rehash of the misinformation, build the intent behind that.

Crush any narrative that contradicts the government's narrative.

This is ridiculous and to be applied to climate you already know it's going.

Speaker 10

To be used to shut down conservatives.

Speaker 2

You know, just lets just outlaw everything that other people say that I don't like that.

Speaker 1

That is where we.

Speaker 8

Aid, no, no, that's exactly where we're heading.

Speaker 9

Whether it's a Green staffer that's tweeting it out or whether it's the Australian Human Rights Commissioner, it's just where we are as a nation.

Speaker 8

So moving on to Queensland.

Speaker 9

In tomorrow's Career Mail, we've got a really interesting story.

Speaker 8

Here about Stephen Miles.

Speaker 9

Obviously a little relevant deprivation syndrome kicking in with Miles in all out attack.

Opposition leader Steven Miles has likened the actions of the Chrisofoley government to corrupt overseas regimes and suggested his one hundred and fifty thousand social media followers should protest in the street.

In a now deleted video, the former premier raised the examples of recent violent protests in Indonesia, Nepal and the Philippines that have seen government buildings torched, and then asked his followers if Queenslanders should remain silent.

His criticism in the video posted to social media on Monday night, but has since been removed.

Related to what mister Miles said was the LNP appointing its mates to government roles and boards.

The Labor Party and government did the same.

Deputy Premier Jared Blay lashed the mister Miles over series like John seriously calling out for demonstrations on the streets and just the comparison to totalitarian regimes, as Julia Gillard would say, that's hyper bowl.

The hyperbolely used here is just insulting and the fact that he would put that in a videoy is just is actually dangerous.

It's not free to have speech.

It's actually almost inciting one.

Speaker 7

But also those protests in Nepal, for example, they burnt down the Parliament.

If he's calling for people to do the same thing, imagine if that was a liberal politician calling invoking the Nepalese protests, they would say January sixth version in Australia insurrection inciting violence.

Speaker 10

That would be uproar.

Speaker 7

But no, he's just a delusional Steven Miles.

Speaker 1

I don't call him giggles for nothing.

Speaker 9

Well, I guess the good news is is Queensland stealing all the costra Victoria.

One in ten people applying to go to the Queensland Police are coming from the Victorian Police Force, so there'll be more police than can monitor these riots and protests that Stevin Miles is advocating.

Speaker 1

What a great surprise.

They'd want to get out of Victoria very quickly.

Speaker 2

In front of the hero Son tomorrow, speaking of Victoria, what a joke.

Doomsday research released by Climate Change and Energy Minister Chris Bowen was built on a science fiction scenario that does not pass the laugh test.

According to a leading US expert on climate policy, Roger Pilke, probably got that wrong.

Speaker 6

Sorry.

Speaker 2

Roger, formerly of the University of Colorado, said the federal government's Australian Climate Service had behaved like Greenpeace in preparing the National Climate Risk Assessment.

Speaker 8

There you go, never a true work.

Speaker 10

Are we really that surprised?

Really?

Speaker 1

And just very quickly as well.

Snoop Dogg's in town.

Speaker 2

He's going to be performing at the AFL Grand Final.

Speaker 1

I have a look at that easy.

Speaker 5

Did you bring Martha Stewart?

They're best.

Speaker 8

I'd have loved to say Martha out there having him he's.

Speaker 1

Managed to kick a football.

Speaker 2

Said, look, you know, I'm not a great Snoop Dogg fan, but at least he's on board with the right code.

After the break dope of the day, we had a pretty good day of the day last night, but this one's pretty close.

Speaker 1

Guy was driving around in a fake police vehicle.

He doesn't even know how to spelled police.

I'll show that soon.

Speaker 9

Well, I guess it's that time of night again.

Speaker 2

Of the day.

Speaker 5

So a young man.

Speaker 9

Has been busted in Strathfield in Sydney's Inner West, pretending to be a Chinese police officer.

He was driving a luxury black Mercedes Benz S Class, which I think might have been the first tip off which bore Chinese police spelt incorrectly on the bonnet, spotted in Everton Road on the eighth of July.

Now Traffic and Highway patrol officers arrested him, but they also noticed a Chinese police badge on the side of the car, and police alleged the Baukham Hills man produced false consulate and disability documents and a fake disability pass before officers searched the whole vehicle and seized ammunition.

Two firearms, including a gel glass rifle, was subsequently seized at Lee's Baukham Hill's home.

Ley is accused of displaying Pelex insignia to misleaked members of the public for an hour on July eighteen.

Oil not really, I'm not really sure how many of the public he misled.

Speaker 1

Oh look, the.

Speaker 2

Poils should come and form really scale.

Speaker 10

What about the firearms at his house?

Like?

What was this guy trying to do?

That is truly a great dope of the day.

Well done, Holly.

Well.

Speaker 7

Have you ever come home from a late night you feel bad, You grab a kebab it's the only thing open.

Well turns out, well that might make you feel a bit disgusting, it's actually better than cooking.

The New South Wales Fire Commissioner has warned that thirty seven percent of residential fires again in the kitchen, and one of the things he warned about was people being drunk while cooking, impairing their judgment and leading to them falling asleep while cooking or leaving the food unattended.

So there you go.

Be careful, guys, don't drink and cook.

Speaker 2

I'm sorry, Cooking after you've had a few drinks is one of the great joys of last.

Speaker 8

Seriously, I don't think people might would get fed because I.

Speaker 5

Used to get in the.

Speaker 9

Kitchen of a Sunday afternoon and do a big cook for the week before I go away, or Saturday.

Speaker 5

Afternoon actually normally, but put the you know, do.

Speaker 9

A big cook before I was going back, and nothing like a glass of red wine and fleetwood Macy.

Speaker 2

Let you throw the chef, one for me, one for the food, hey quickly before we go tonother I just want to mak the death of Chris Joanie, who, for those who live in South Australia, Victoria W.

Way will know as the man who wrote and sang the theme song to the Footy Show.

Speaker 1

What a bunch of that?

Speaker 2

I mean that used to be appointment viewing.

Unfortunately, died in a crash in ca Punda in South Australia.

I'm so sad I don't have James McPherson here to talk footy with.

Speaker 1

But you know that's all right.

We'll get through it.

I love that Joe so much.

Bring back Trevor marmalade I Reckon.

Thanks for joining us tonight.

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