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The Late Debate | 20 January

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Speaker 1

Wait wait, gentle man.

Welcome to the Late Base.

Speaker 2

Good evening and welcome to the program.

I'm Caleb Bond with Joe Hildebrand and Danika to Georgio.

Here's what's coming up tonight.

A British investigation has found that Chinese made electric buses being used in Australia have kill switches that mean they could be remotely shut down from Beijing.

More on that soon.

Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott, famously a surfer and volunteer life saver, has called for shark culling to return after a fourth shark attack in New South Wales in just forty eight hours, and we will show you the first cow in the world that has learned how to pick up a brush and scratch itself.

Who won't want to miss that?

A great advancement in how life run, as he said.

But first, a far more serious and outrageous story.

I have to say.

George Murogi, who you may know of as one of the worst gangsters, or he was one of the worst gangsters in Victoria.

He used to be the leader of what was known as the Notorious Crime Family.

Now he is currently locked up.

He's serving a thirty eight year sentence for murder and drug smuggling, and while he's been in prison, he's planned a jail break, he's kicked a police officer, he squirted feces at a prison guard, he has twice set fire to his prison cell.

So he's not the card guy you'd have a great deal of sympathy for, unless, of course, you happen to be Justice Claire Harris of the Victorian Supreme Court, because mister Morogi has been running a case in the court in which he alleges that he has been treated to inhumane or has suffered inhumane treatment while he has been in prison, and the Court has found that indeed he has.

Now his main complaint was that the grounds he was allowed to go out into when he gets his little bit of sunlight or what he thought would be sunlight every day, didn't actually allow him the one hour a day of fresh air to which he is apparently entitled as a right as a prisoner.

He complained that these yards had a mesh and opaque roofing, that they had been constructed out of concrete and they had crimsafe mesh over them, and that he wasn't getting I know, this isn't it terrible is that he wasn't getting the sunlight and fresh air to which he was entitled and metal bars.

I forgot to mention wouldn't have metal bars.

So he goes off to the Supreme Court and says, this is inhumane.

I am not getting the one hour of fresh air and sunlight to which I am entitled And the court has agreed.

Justice Claire Harris of the Victorian Supreme Court has agreed that he has been denied the right to feel sunlight, wind and rain.

And as a result of this, two prisons in Victoria so that the Metropolitan Remand Center and Barwin Prison, both of which he has been in.

Four cells at the Exford unit of the Remand Center have been deemed to be illegally built, so the state government will now have to rebuild them.

Speaker 1

That's okay, They've got so much money, I know, swim.

Speaker 2

They have to rebuild them because these are breaching human rights of prisoners.

And at Barwin Prison there are two cells of the Alania unit.

They'll have to rebuild, three rear yards of the Acacia unit, two rear yards of the meler Luca unit, including wait for it, the loss of Privilege yard, will have to be rebuild because they are breaching the human.

Speaker 1

Rights privilege of prisoners.

Speaker 2

I mean, seriously, is this real?

Speaker 3

Well, the funniest part is this Justice Claire Harris.

She came to this conclusion.

This is what I thought was the funniest part, because she went on a tour of the facilities as help.

She went on a little browse and she walked around and this is what she said.

This is in her findings to the court.

This is what she concluded, and I quote, there is no clear bright line delineating what will constitute a space which enables a prisoner to be in the open air.

Well, let me think about it.

They're in prison, Okay, they're actually in jail, so it doesn't matter.

You know, you commit a murder here and there, you assauld a police officer, and you try and set fire to yourself.

Heck, you even try and create, you know, a jail break for goodness sake.

Speaker 1

But which this guy did do matter?

Speaker 3

According to Justice Claire Harris, You're still entitled to what your average person would be entitled to.

I personally feel sorry for the hard working Victorians.

Mean that state is already broke and backwards.

How much is this going to cost.

Once again it falls on the taxpayer.

But again it is a blight on the justice system that we constantly see out of this woke state.

We've seen it when it comes to youth crime, constantly making dumb and stupid goodness knows what decisions.

And now oh air is now an entitlement when you are a prisoner who's been convicted of murder.

I mean, give me a break, Victoria.

I feel so sorry for you, seriously.

Speaker 1

I mean, they do actually get air.

Speaker 2

They dore allowed to breathe, but they need the sunlight.

Speaker 1

I would just say, Victoria, it's been nice knowing you.

You are you are now officially a failed state.

You are up there with Haiti.

It is just, it is just I just find it extraordinary.

And you would think it was satire, except that you just couldn't make it up, because if someone did this as satire, that's believable.

Speaker 2

The satirical elements.

Speaker 1

You know.

Speaker 2

During this case, Morogi compared the treatment he has received in Victorian prisons to what Nilson Mandela suffered when I was in prison.

Speaker 3

Is that?

Speaker 2

Imagine comparing yourself to Nelson.

Speaker 1

Mandila, except that Nelson Mandela was not in prison for and again I quote murder, and he did not find a jail break or kick a police officer, or squirt feces at a guard or twice set fire to his cell.

I mean, this guy like it is just it is extraordinary.

It is extraordinary that only in Victoria would a judge so heavily invest themselves and says, well, I'd better go and look at this for myself.

Oh it's terrible.

It's like, you know, it feels like a prison in here.

Speaker 4

Yeah, but isn't the point bonkers that you were deprived of your right and exactly there was this discussion in I think there's been since a case in New South Wales as well.

Speaker 2

But last year of the year before there was a prisoner pedophile in South Australia who accessed euthanasia and there was this Hulla balloon.

I wrote about it at the time.

Surely you do not deserve the right to just check out when you are in prison.

You don't get the same rights as everyone else, it would seem apparently you do.

So what is the point of prison?

Speaker 1

Just listen to this and listen to the language that this guy is says.

Given the walls, this is what he told the court and this is what the judge actually, Oh yeah, he's got a good point here.

Given the walls of the management unit exercise yards are concrete, except for the rare window, the lack of open air and unobstructed sunlight, and the fact I was there by myself, it really just felt like an extension of my cell.

So it was depressing and brought me up.

Speaker 3

Why is you go have a sook.

Speaker 1

Of the management unit exercise yards are concrete.

Yes, it's prison except for the rare window.

Yes, the lack of open air and unobstructed sunlight.

Yes, it's prison.

And the fact that I was there by myself.

That's how solitary confided.

Yeah, maybe he doesn't get out.

Speaker 3

Well, it's because justin Clair Harris, she did a tour of this facility.

Joe, Okay, she's done a tour.

She understands what the confines alike, of the prisons.

Speaker 1

She knows everything.

Speaker 3

Apparently she knows.

But look, let's move on because big brother is watching.

But not all residents are on board.

Have a look over at the City of Melbourne.

In May last year the town hall there, they committed to upgrading what's been called this safety camera program.

Now to quote them, they've installed three hundred plus cameras in the city and I'll quote with the purpose of improving safety and amenity in the city.

So they were going to expand their cameras to keep a watch to know not only look at crime, but they were also going to look at mess and just to keep that the city particularly safe.

Now they've gone through this big consultation process and the overwhelming number of residents in the City of Melbourne, well, they are very concerned about it.

In fact, sixty five percent so that they were not all not at all confident that the city would use camera footage responsibly and in accordance with privacy laws.

Twenty one percent of them said that they were not confident.

Overall, feedback gathered during the engagement was negative according to the City of Melbourne, with low levels of concerns for local issues, low levels of support for footage from the cameras being utilized to investigate these issues, and low confidence in the council to utilize the footage responsively and in accordance with privacy laws.

But here is the real peerla recurring themes including concerns about surveillance, privacy, governance, oversight, accountability, as well as specific concerns relating to artificial intelligence and protests.

Well, I mean my argument in all this is instead of just this big Brother, Big brothers snooping.

Big Brother is spying on you, Pa Lava, how about you actually address the root cause of the problem.

Because it's easy to come out and say, oh, you know, we're going to monitor youth crime.

We're going to monitor crime rates.

That's how we're going to keep people safe by using these expanded camera network or gee, wouldn't it be a good idea?

How about firstly, you fund police.

And I know we're talking about a local council here, but this is a bigger issue at play.

Fund police, put more cops on the beat.

Then it falls to the justice system.

Lock these criminals up for goodness sake.

That way, big Brother doesn't have to monitor twenty four to seven.

Again, it's diversionary tactics in my view, when it doesn't actually achieve to get to the real cause of the problem.

Speaker 2

Well, I understand that the Melbourne City Council is trying to do what it can.

And you'll remember they sent out the Recee Police.

It's the you Nick Reace, the Lord resource.

You know they should have.

They did the Recee police, but the resfource is good too, but they're essentially like you know, these protective security guards, which is like a rung down from police, and you know there's only so much they can do.

But the council is saying, well, if the state gaban is not going to do anything, we're at least going to do something.

But the problem with the cameras and the expansion of cameras, and I think we all know that they're a CCTV cameras everywhere, going to a shop there, there, and we know they're around.

But with the expansion of AI technology, and this is already happening in some parts of the world, we are not far off every CCTV camera having AI capabilities and facial recognition, and then of course they'll be collecting biometric data on people who walk around the streets and that is when the possibility of nefarious activity comes into it.

We've already seen this used for commercial purposes in public places.

I think it was the Tube in London.

There was certainly some train service in the UK where they were testing out these facial recognition cameras as people were coming into railway stations and sort of tailoring advertising that they were showing to people based on the emotions that they had detected in faces, as they could say, well, people are largely happy, so we'll show this sort of advertising.

All they're largely looking sullen after the day at work, so we'll show them this sort of advertising.

So this stuff is already going on and has been going on for years, and I think it is it is well within the realms of possibility that the more you expand this they will know everywhere you have been.

They'll be able to link it up to your face and all the other data they can get.

And that is a step too.

Speaker 1

Far, but they can do that anyway.

They're already doing it.

So if people think, oh, they're going to know where I'm going, there is already if they want to, an algorithm that can just go straight on your phone and know absolutely everywhere you are going, right down to the square meter that you are sitting in at any given point in time.

Your phones are already listening to you.

They're listening to your conversations and tailoring ads to you based on what you say, let alone your search history and what you put into it.

You want to.

People talk about, oh, they're going to take my image and use it for some offers.

Every single digital photo you've ever taken and put online and probably even just stored on your phone could if the right actors, nefarious actors, you know, the James Bond villain Superpowers was able to get control of Apple or Facebook or any other social media company that you've signed up to willingly and you haven't read the terms and conditions and you've just ticked I agree, because otherwise you don't get the app.

They could do it in a heartbeat.

And all the people say, oh, these CCTV cameras, tell them they do not know what they are talking about.

That absolute cookers.

There are CCTV cameras covering every square inch of pretty much every CBD and facility in any major city.

I remember when the first, you know, there was talk about them coming out in Sydney, and I'm putting them in Martin Place on the streets of Sydney about what twenty years ago.

I think now, and everyone goes, oh my god, God, never heard from again.

You're not that important.

You're not that important.

No one wants to watch you.

What they want is your money.

They want you to spend your money with them, and all this stuff and all your buying habits are already going to are being harvested, and ads are targeting, and if you don't want to succumb to them, then just don't buy the stuff, the CCTV stuff that is used.

You say we want the cops to put the criminals hind bars.

How do you think the cops catch them?

They catch them with CCTV.

Speaker 2

I know, But but then that's the if you've if you're not committing a crime, you've got nothing to worry about.

Therefore, we should hand over everything that we've ever done to the coppers and hope that nothing goes wrong.

If I buy the phone, and I've got the phone, I know the thing is listening, but I voluntarily entered into that contract.

Should I have to when I go out in public be subjected to AI facial recognition.

It's slightly different propositions, and then where the least.

Speaker 1

It's completely immterials, Like I'm you know, I'm going to buy a grenade and pull the pin and stick it down my pants.

But I don't want anybody I can sent But if they if anyone, if anyone wants any information about you, the way they get it is not through a CCTV camera.

They get it through the device that you've got in your phone.

Speaker 3

Okay, but where does it go to?

Because I look at what's going on in China for example, I mean, China has been ahead of this sort of technology for years and years and literally, if you are jaywalkie across the road, they will pick you up on a camera and suddenly ping, you get a notification on your phone and you will be fined immediately.

So if we're going to expand this sort of technology here, where does it.

Speaker 1

Where it's us and China doesn't.

That's why that's a good thing about being in.

Speaker 3

You know who will I agree, you know who else has a right to be concerned about this, But I still maintain that it does not address a bigger problem because if you're going to if you're going to implement to.

Speaker 1

Catch criminals, the purpose of these cameras is to catch criminals.

Speaker 3

More problems, improve the justice system, and put more police on the beach.

Speaker 1

That that would be how the police catch the criminals.

Speaker 3

This is how they're run by a local council.

Were they going to send one of nick one of the races.

Speaker 1

Catch a crime being committed and then the police are able to investigate it and look at who it is and identify the person and then go and arrest them.

Speaker 2

I should not you know, who else had elections Germany and you know, governments.

Speaker 1

Came well, governments can go a.

Speaker 2

Bit overboard if they want to go overboard.

Speaker 1

That was all Himler's far that was all that was all Hinderbergh's fault.

Speaker 2

While we're talking about going overboard, I mean, you know, I feel like we talk about this all the time, but kids on ebucks, I do feel a bit you know, old man yells at cloud when these stores come up.

But they are going a bit mad.

I mean, the kids are basically now forming like biky gangs, biking gangs, but they're not getting around on motorbikes.

They're getting around on ebucks.

I saw, actually, you know, on the mean streets of Bellmine where I live in the inner west of Sydney.

I saw and you can see some of these biking kids getting around here the other day, kid getting around on an electric trail bike and near like a step just the basic ebuk.

But apparently they're now terrorizing golf courses.

And they've been getting around the Long Reef Golf Club and there they are, they're riding over the greens and stuff up on the Northern Beaches in Sydney.

And this was also shared by the Chroma Golf Club which is just over the road.

This is in Collroy on the Northern Beaches in Sydney.

You know, I know kids have always got up to know good when they get out on their bikes and getting gangs and stuff.

But obviously it's now so much easier with an e bike because you've got to put in far less here, they go so much faster.

And the automatic reaction from a lot of people is a you know, we've got to restrict the e bikes, so we've got to read just to the e biks and all this sort of stuff.

How do underage people under the age of eighteen get their hands on e bikes?

I wonder where they're getting these e bikes from.

Their parents are clearly buying them for them.

What's wrong with the parents letting their kids have e bite Well.

Speaker 1

They're not meant to say so new laws when in recently where you're not allowed you've never kids under the age of eighteen or whatever have never been allowed to buy the super powerful e bikes, and of course they do.

And then what the government realized they were doing was they're buying the ones down and then souping them up, so they're pimping their e bikes name for a reality TV.

So they're doing that, so the government had to crack down that.

But of course, again kids are always if a kid really wants to break the law or get around the law or whatever, they will find a way to do it.

And how's this for a humble brag.

I live next to a golf course, the royal and ancient Marrickfield Public golf Course, so that golf course are the people never swung a club in anger myself, But I'm always out there with the dog or running or walking along blah blah blah.

Speaker 2

And just wait until Chris.

Speaker 1

He's not cutting that one in half.

No, it's a labor only.

But they've just we've just started noticing it.

You know, our peaceful, little, you know, idyllic Inner West community, you know where the biggest sound is usually greens vioters complaining about a potential three story development has now got these little little hones running around laughing, having a good time.

Makes me sick seeing all those kids having a good time.

But I don't think they're tearing it up, but they are.

They are flying around and they love it.

And I think they've got because they've got like because they're electric, so they should be silent, right, but they've got they've got things that make noise.

Speaker 3

They think they like a humming.

It's like a hum like a humming.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 1

And I've heard others that like this with vehicles, where you have a fake sound with electric formula one as well.

Yeah, yeah, fake sound to make it sound like a combustion.

Speaker 2

You remember as a kid, did you have the little clicker things on the space on the Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the equivalent of that basic I don't know what.

Speaker 1

What is that the rich kids had?

I could never when the will goes.

Speaker 3

I mean, my concern is they're obviously unregistered.

They're unchecked.

That's a problem.

And a number of those kids, as you see, they're not wearing helmets.

Okay, they don't know.

Speaker 1

The road, probably skateboarding and their spirit.

Speaker 3

They're probably skateboarding, but they don't know the road rules.

That's the problem.

I mean, And they're clearly being absolute menaces.

And there's no insurance on these e bikes as well, from my understanding, So if there is indeed an accident, well you're basically stuffed.

Speaker 1

THEMX bandits without the com.

Speaker 3

But they are.

They're like but that that to me so young?

Speaker 2

You don't know?

Speaker 3

I know, well, I can't ride a bike?

Speaker 2

Can I just pause everything here?

You don't know how to ride a bike?

Speaker 3

Well?

I do, but not very well.

That's why my my knowledge of bikes I've got to be quite limited, because no, I don't.

Speaker 2

I think we have a we have a content opportunity.

Speaker 3

Argument would be that if Hohon's are losing their cars and there needs to be some sort of penalty, I if I was a resident, or if I was a regular golfer, I would actually be mortified, absolutely mortified.

And the other issue is that you see all these bikes littered around on foot paths everywhere now, they just look so dodgy.

It makes it the ones.

Speaker 1

Yeah, but they're not them ones.

Speaker 3

But seriously, the e bikes are everywhere right now, everywhere.

The that'st part of Clover Moore's plan, isn't it for them?

Speaker 1

I feel like I'm more danger of being hit by a golf ball than an you reckon that?

I think either what a way to go?

Yeah, I tell you another way to go?

Is it a hell?

And that's what Brooklyn Beckham?

Speaker 3

Who dad?

Speaker 1

Isn't this amazing?

Have you been following this?

Speaker 3

I mean he's gone nuclear move over.

Speaker 1

That you know, Brisbane Lyons, Footy Captain Lucky, Neil Love scandal, Neil scandal him in the Mormon.

Beckham says, I do not want to reconcile with my parents.

You might have heard of them, David and Victoria Beckham aka Posh Spice.

Well, Victoria was aka posh Spice.

David Beckham was never posh Spy.

She was always just David Beckham.

And he's posted a lengthy statement about this long running family few.

It's so long running that I've literally only just heard about it in the last six hours.

And he says, quote, my family values public promotion and endorsements above all else.

Brand Beckham comes first.

Family love quote unquote.

He's put love in air quotes.

That's what hurts the most, is like fish and chips.

Family love is decided by how much you post on social media or how quickly you drop everything to show up and pose for a family photo op.

And of course this is what he posted on social media.

Speaker 3

I mean and again, I've just it.

Look.

Firstly, he's gone nuclear a right, Prince Harry two point zero ladies and gentlemen has rocked up.

The guy is an absolute spoilt twat in my opinion.

So he's gone.

He's gone and done this lengthy, full post.

Right.

It went for about four five six Instagram posts where he loves him.

Speaker 1

When he posts on Instagram.

Speaker 3

It's detailed moments of his life, detailed special events where he blames his mum and dad.

Now bear in mind he was born into royalty.

When your mother is a spice girl and your father is one of the best soccer players to have ever lived, you come with a profile no matter what, because your surname is Beckham.

Speaker 1

I believe that's what they call a nepo babies, Right, the guy.

Speaker 3

Is spoilt brat.

So I'm going to take you through some of the statement and why he's acting so entitled.

Firstly, this is one of the quotes.

My mom canceled making Nichola's dress.

This is at the wedding in the eleventh hour, despite how excited she was to wear her design, forcing her to urgently find a new dress.

Well, that's already been debunked because the stylist at the time who made this dress she was wearing a a Couture Valentino bridal dress, said it was the ultimate courture experience.

The simplicity of it was magnificent.

So indeed she did wear the dress.

There were no changes that completely contradicts that statement.

But here is where it gets truly bizarre, and I mean utterly bizarre in that statement.

Let me read this.

My mum hijacked.

So his mum, Victoria Beckham, hijack the first dance with my wife, which had been planned weeks in advance to a romantic love song in front of our five hundred guests.

Mark Anthony called me to the stage wherein the schedule was planned to be my romantic dance with my wife, but instead my mum was waiting to dance with me.

Instead, she danced quote very appropriately on me in front of everyone.

I never felt more uncomfortable and humiliated in my life.

Well, blow me down.

What sort of a dance was it?

Was it this one?

Maybe?

I don't know?

Speaker 2

Was it?

Speaker 3

Stop right now?

Thank you?

Speaker 2

No?

Speaker 1

I think that's what he was saying to her.

Speaker 2

I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

You know, if he doesn't want Victoria Beckham to dance on him, I'll take it for free.

Speaker 3

I'm sure many men were every bloke in the world, and I just made more.

Speaker 1

Points technicality though she is, as far as we're aware, not your mother.

Speaker 2

Well that is true, I will.

Speaker 3

I mean, I highly doubt you're giving a lap dance.

Speaker 1

I think that is the problem.

Speaker 2

Sorry, As if she was doing that danced on him inappropriately, what does she saying?

Did like a slap drop use?

Speaker 3

Like she's basically insinuating some sort of weird lap dance.

And I can't adged a classy woman like Victoria Beckham, who was known for wearing the little Gucci dress.

I don't know how familiar you guys are with the Spike girls the little black Gucci dress.

I can't imagine a classy woman like that.

Speaker 1

Third thing I would make posh for God's.

Speaker 3

Spyes, Okay, now this really just reminds me of Prince Harry in Spare.

I don't know if you've read Spare, you know in the statement he says brand Beckham comes first.

He reminds me of in Spare when Prince Harry said the monarchy comes before everything.

But I don't know if you know, but Nicole Pel's is actually the daughter of a billionaire herself.

In fact, her family are worth more than the Beckhams.

So who is Brooklyn?

He is a nobody.

He was born into wealth and has married into even more wealth.

And the two of them have never worked a day in their lives.

And now they're going, oh, well this happened, Oh boohoo, go cry go find a job.

There are bigger problems out there for goodness.

Speaker 1

But to be fair, though Brooklyn has shown that he absolutely in no way gives any consideration to the brand, as he has just completely and utterly trashed his well like, this is a guy who clearly does not care about it.

He is.

Speaker 2

There seems to be a rising modern phenomenon where people get to their late twenties early thirties and they've like they've heard this stuff online about maybe you've got childhood trauma, and they start going to therapy and then the therapist, oh, your parents every time they refuse to let you have a biscuit, little Johnny, that caused you some sort of you know, it's childhood trauma, and then they start saying, oh, my parents are toxic and they're awful, and then they start cutting their parents off.

This is a thing now where like parents are just flabbergaster that the kids won't talk to them and they lose exiously grandchildren and all this sort of like just get over it.

Speaker 1

But it's like the winging murderous drug king pin in jail.

Speaker 3

Yeah right, not that.

Speaker 1

I'm accused of Brooklyn backup, of being a murderous drug king pin.

Speaker 2

I need I need more, right, but.

Speaker 1

Like they've got nothing else to do.

Speaker 2

I have to complain about something before we move on.

Here is his father, David.

Speaker 1

David, you disappointed family businesses being aired in public.

Speaker 2

I think the silence probably speaks for itself.

Now we're talking about people who are making a lot of money.

Let's talk about someone who's not making any money despite the fact he's just earned about two hundred large.

We're talking about Michael Jing, who is playing currently in the Australian Open.

He's from Columbia University in New York and so he is technically an amateur.

He's still studying at UNI and so under the rules of the National Collegiate Athletic Association in America, you have to forfeit all of your prize money while you are still playing as an amateur.

Now, he's just beaten a much higher seeded player to get into the second round of the Australian Open, and for that he would normally pocket about two hundred and twenty one thousand dollars.

But there is talk that because he's still going to university, he might have to forfeit all of his winnings, and plenty of people I saw Jim Courreer today, of course great of the game, saying that this is ridiculous.

He should be able to keep the I mean, he beat the world number fifteen for heaven's sake as an amateur to advance in the Australian Open, and these stupid rules in the USA, he's got to give up the money.

I think that's ridiculous.

He should be entitled to his winning.

Speaker 3

I think so too.

And the most bizarre part of this is that he's got to come up now with creative ways to try and bypass the rules from this national Collegiate Athletic Association.

So one example, so he's got this, it's about two hundred and fifty thousand Australian dollars.

One example is he could take that paycheck and use it to quote improve the standard of living for him and his entourage, so perhaps upgrade flights to business class, a new hotel suite.

But then he would have to return the remainder of the money.

I would go full Nick Curios and just smash my racket.

I was so angry because he came into the tournament, he was ranked at number one hundred and seventy four, and yet now he's not going to be able to.

Speaker 1

Fix easy fix.

It's like, look, guys, perfectly happy to stay amateur.

You know, I don't want the prize money, happy to give it back to all of you.

On an unrelated matter, I did rack up a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars room service after I won the game, so obviously expenses.

Say yeah, But I think it's because he if you go, I think I read Hi between the lines.

I think he's on a sporting scholarship at Columbia, and I think if you're on a scholarship, then you have to be an amateur athlete or something like that.

Maybe I've just got that.

Speaker 2

He's studying psychology.

I just I don't understand why you shouldn't if he's playing in amateur tennis in the US.

So I get that that's fine because he's going to university and that's part of the deal over there.

But if you then go overseas and play professionally, why should you then have to forfeit the money you make elsewhere.

Speaker 3

It's only allowed to make.

He's only allowed to earn no more than ten thousand US dollars for the ornament, so literally a fraction of so it's one hundred and fifty thousand US dollars.

He's only allowed to take ten thousand US dollars the whole tournament, which is practice and rehearse for, you know, his whole life at this one big moment, and he can't even enjoy it.

Speaker 2

The alternative would be he'd have to stop studying in order to take the money if he wanted to take them out once, which is left, which is ridiculous.

It just seems ridiculous.

Speaker 1

It seems like the studious type.

And of course he's a psychologist, so he can actually treat himself for that.

I think it's a win win.

Speaker 2

He's basically saving money, and speaking of things on which we should be saving money, let's stop buying Chinese electric basses.

Let's just stop buying Chinese vehicles altogether.

Speaker 3

Now.

Speaker 2

It offends me the MG's because you know, MG was a British made, British terrible pickup down.

They're awful.

I've driven one and they don't.

They don't.

So, you know, iconic brands like MG have been taken over by the Chinese.

Speaker 3

You know, l DV.

Speaker 2

See the l d vs getting around their Chinese as well.

That's Leyland, that's the old Layland.

Speaker 1

One of their bosses.

Speaker 2

Anyway, they also made by the Chinese U Tong buses and they're getting around in Australia.

I think there's a number of private companies at least are using them, but they're also using them.

In Canberra, the Public Transport Service in the Act uses them.

And over in the UK, the British authorities, the National Cyber Security Center and the Department of Transporters conducted an investigation into these Utong buses and they found that they are equipped with a kill switch, which means a mechanism that is inside of them ya a simcar I believe, which is meant to be so it can do like software updates and stuff.

Actually through the back end allows the company in Beijing to if they want to disable these buses.

Now we've we've heard warnings about this before in terms of electric vehicles and particularly Chinese ones, that they could potentially control them remotely.

Of course, a great way to where unleash warfare on a city would be to slow down all the cars or disable all the cars at a particular point in time, and Britain has now found that that is exactly what they could do with these buses, in which case I think they ought to be off the road.

Speaker 1

Yeah, it's not even just hypothetical.

I mean the exact same thing happened to my Falcon.

Speaker 2

Just stop, Henry Ford.

Speaker 1

Not even an electric vehicle.

I don't know how that Beijing, you know, that's it.

Speaker 3

They're got to stop.

But it is a worry because Beijing could use this as a weapon against enemies.

I mean it was only this week that the Chinese ambassador basically warned, if you're not with us, you're against us.

Well, what this could be as Taiwan is Tasmania Tasmania stunning stunning comparison.

But look It is a worry, but it's not just it's actually with a lot of UK sorry Chinese parts.

I mean it's happening.

There's been a lot of issues as well.

If you look like solar panels, for example, there's been this is this green We're.

Speaker 1

Going to install the little spy cameras in Australian War Memorial.

Speaker 3

Yeah, didn't we That's right.

Speaker 1

So I got into the Bureau of Meteorology just started rattling around.

Speaker 3

I just think it's another example of why we have to be putting Australia first, and we have to really ramp up our manufacturing sector because this this is a disaster.

Speaker 2

Well even look, we're not going to bring their car manufacturing, I think is pretty clear unfulately.

Speaker 3

Which is sad.

It's so sad.

But could try and we could look at Donald Trump.

Speaker 2

Yeah, but we could just like not buy our cars from China.

Might be good.

Speaker 3

So that might be the best.

Speaker 1

Start by Greenland instead.

Wow, Donald Trump is doing He's doing it again.

Donald Trump has sent out a statement telling Greenland that he's going to invade it because they didn't give him the Nobel Peace Prize or words to that effect.

It's sort of a bit more convoluted than that.

But anyway, Donald Trump has I just love this guy so much.

He has actually issued a statement where he has had a crack at Denmark, which is the sort of protector of Greenland.

Greenland is an autonomous territory of Denmark, so it sort of governs itself, but it comes under the broader statehood of Denmark.

And Trump has put out a message on full presidential note head.

The letterhead everything you know from the desk from the Oval Office.

It's just great stuff's quote considering your country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped eight wars, plus I no longer feel obligation to think purely of peace.

And he's put peace in a capital.

Speaker 2

I think was actually Norway.

That was to Norway.

He issued that message because he's having beef with the at the moment, and we.

Speaker 1

Get all those Scandalwegian countries.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I know, it all sort of it all sort of melds into and but now that was at the Norwegian PM because he's currently disagreeing with them because they're you know, talking about whether or not he's going to put some tariffs on on all these countries.

But not getting behind it a deal.

Speaker 1

Tariff's on Denmark for not selling him, but Gland.

Speaker 2

It does feel I understand what he wants to do with Greenland, but saying stuff like I don't have to think only about peace anymore, it feels like he's throwing the toys out of the cot.

Speaker 3

Yeah, but he can't just go around taking countries.

Well no, no, you know, I mean, I mean Greenland has the right to its own security.

Yeah, that's the first point.

But I get it.

I just want to make this point.

It goes back to what I said earlier.

America is putting America first.

America is putting America's interests first.

Speaker 1

Yes, and that's the reality military bases.

Speaker 2

Yeah, but he wants the miss he wants, he wants underground.

Hey, can I just very quickly before we get to a break.

I just want to note this.

We talk all the time about councils in Australia that want to reduce the speed limits to thirty kilometers an hour.

Well, there's a council in the UK that's just done it, and they are twenty miles an hour, which is the equivalent of thirty two kilometers an hour.

Despite the fact that seventy percent of residents didn't want it, and what do you reckon the name of this town?

Was this council woking him?

Yes, I think that probably says it all, doesn't After the break we'll get into the papers.

Tony Abbott is calling for the culling of sharks after a fourth shark attack in New South Wales in just forty eight hours.

That more coming up.

Half of the break.

Some breaking news receiving that Dave Murray Basher, the former Governor of New South Wales, the first female governor of New South Wales, has died at the age of ninety five.

This report coming from the Daily Telegraph.

She served as governor from twentyd and one to twenty fourteen, and the Premier of New South Wales, Chris Mins, has put out a statement saying that he's saddened by her passing.

He said, quote, Dame Murray Bisher served our state with distinction as the first female Governor of New South Wales from twenty one to twenty fourteen, bringing to the role immense dignity and compassion.

She was a distinguished psychiatrist and a long standing advocate for mental health, education and social inclusion.

And he said that a state funeral would be held for Dame Murray in recognition of her extraordinary contribution to our state and nation.

Speaker 1

Yeah, she's one of the most, if not the most respected governor generals governor I should say, of New South Wales maybe that we've ever had.

I just remember only because it was the first year I sort of arrived.

I arrived in two thousand and two, went up.

She served obviously for you know, over to over a decker and that people just love her.

You would not find anyone who didn't hold her in just the highest possible esteem.

No, there's honestly not a soul in the stated anything but the best to say about it.

So great innings, but a wonderful woman.

Anyway, Let's get to the Daily Telegraph and something that's not wonderful is all the sharks that are eating people and performer PM Tony Abbott has come out to call for a reintroduction of shark culling.

We need to cull says the headline on the front page, with a picture of Tony Abbott there.

And of course the poor kid Nico Antik, the twelve year old boy who suffered terrible injuries in one of the recent attacks.

And we don't know whether or not he's going to make it, but look it's a pretty it's a pretty big call.

But I got to say, I hate sharks and I reckon we need to do something because four in little more than a couple of days and it's just no good anyway.

Here's Tony Abbott on Shari earlier this evening.

Speaker 5

The spate of attacks for in just a few days in Sydney.

It hasn't been caused by murky water.

It's been caused by too many sharks.

So let's have a shark cull and the best way to do that would be to bring back the commercial shark fishery.

Speaker 1

And of course that was on Kredline, not Shari, which means that I'm going to get culled by one of them.

Speaker 3

I think that shark culling politically can be a disaster.

I mean, I remember being a young reporter in Perth when the former premier Columbarnette introduced a catch and kill policy and it absolutely derailed his entire campaign and it forced him to backflick because the majority of West Australians did not support him.

And when you've got pictures of sharks bleeding out in the water, splashed on the front page of the paper.

It is a disaster politically, I don't know what the solution is to this.

I mean, this is this is tragic to have so many in such a short amount of time.

But I don't think that shark nets work, to be honest, because I end up catching a lot of other marine life, so I'm not necessarily sure that they work to.

Speaker 1

Can't make an I'm not without breaking some eggs.

I don't think, you know what, Sharks also eat dolphins, so even if the nets didn't catch other stuff, the sharks would probably just eat them anyway.

Speaker 2

And also, I mean, but we have smart drum lines now we do, and we have these shark drones and all sorts of things.

So look, we should be using a combination of all of these.

I don't care what is the most effective.

We should just be using what is most effective.

But it also makes sense that we should also kill and eat sharks like we do any other form of marine lafe.

Go down to the fish and chip shop or to yourself some flake and do your bit to remove some sharks from the ocean.

Speaker 1

Eat our way out of the crisis.

Speaker 3

That's it.

Let's go over to the Herald's sun Now massive scandal on the front page headline nude photo bombshell wife of ex Carlton boss suing him for defamation over dick scandal and AFL investigation.

The wife of former Carlton president Luke Sayers is suing her estranged husband for defamation after he allegedly implied she was to blame for posting a dick pic on social media and made damaging claims about her mental health.

It's understood the accusations have been made by Kate in filings to the VIC Supreme Court.

The explicit photo was published on his ex account, tagging a woman who worked for one of Carlton's major Sponsor's huge story over in Victoria, given it is an AFL state and involving the wife of former Carlton president, but ge huge allegations there.

Speaker 1

Yeah, and we don't know if it's huge or not.

Speaker 2

And he's a very prominent business Victoria heavily tied up with the former premier Daniel Andrews's big profile.

This is a big story that will certainly be unfolding down the average sides on the front of the Australian Tomorrow buck stops with Morrison.

Interesting, isn't it?

It's his end when the Albanesi has attempted to shift blame for the genesis sorry of Australia's anti Semitism crisis to his predecessor, Scott Morrison, sparking an extraordinary war with the former Liberal Prime Minister, who defended his record and labeled the Labour leader delusional and cheap.

Just today, after telling Parliament and the families of the Bonde massacre victims that it was his responsibility to eradicate anti Semitism, mister Alberanzi and Susan Lee engaged in a heated and partisan question time, where the Labour leader repeated his claims that he had been working on a royal commission despite opposing it publicly for twenty five days, and tried to attack the Opposition leader for failing to present a bill based on her own antisemitism policy points.

As the political battle in Canberra resumed in between Parliament's Monday condolences and Thursday's National Day of Mourning, mister Alberzi asserted that all governments were to blame for antisemitism, taking a foothold in Australia and singled out mister Morrison's administration using historical quotes and figures.

And I have to say I watched that today and susanly hammered him all question time about whether or not he would apologize to the victims of Bondai, and then was asked this question about, you know, whether or not his government had done enough, and he was prepared with his list of everything and everybody else has said about anti semitism at other times.

I don't think it was a great look.

I think he could have made the point without seeming so obvious about it.

I get what he's saying that anti Semitism was not invented when his government came to power, which is absolutely true, but I think it probably just looked a bit like he was too keen to put it on other people's shoulders.

He could have just said, you know what, we could have done better.

This has been a problem for a long time.

We're going to fix it now.

Like would that have been well.

Speaker 1

I don't think he intended to know he mentioned Scott Morrison's name, but I don't think he attempted or wanted to go specifically after him.

What he was saying was that this is absolutely my responsibility and I accepted, and it's every prime minister's responsibility.

And this is not something that started in the last two years.

This is something that's been going on for a long time.

I do know.

I can't about talking out of school, but he definitely has been meeting with or had been before the Royal Commission, been meeting with a lot of Jewish people and senior community leaders privately, and I won't obviously say how they were and he had I don't know exactly how long, but I think up to about a week before he announced it at least.

Speaker 3

Yeah, but he said I will you know, there wasn't a Morrison government didn't put an anti antisemitism on boy in place.

Well, let's not forget that that Gillian Siegel's report sat on his desk for six months catching dust, and then it took the murders of fifteen innocent Jews before he actually went on maybe I should actually implement some of these as well, implements.

Speaker 1

The opposition that's been calling for.

Speaker 3

Well, there's a lot of a lot of issues there which we don't have time to discuss, but there's a lot of issues.

Speaker 1

It hates.

That's seagulls report.

Speaker 2

Now another story in the front of the Ease tomorrow.

Libb's eye quote as women only picks, so his largest Liberal division will consider introducing gender quotas and running women only pre selections after New South Wales leaders endorsed to Proposal lane At, addressing a dearth of female MP's and supporters for the party following the coalition's catastrophic federal election lost last year.

Female only pre selections.

Speaker 3

The Labor Party may as well be the Labor Party.

Then if you're going to go down that route.

Speaker 1

Well you know what I'm predicting it will look like out back cam Hell because an extremely dry spell has caused camels to storm central Australian communities in search of water, running down fences, digging up water mains and leaving a trail of destruction.

Check it out.

We have this incredible footage of camel's running wild.

This is absolutely bonkers everywhere.

Speaker 2

I mean imagine like, imagine being trampled by camels.

I can't say it seems like.

Speaker 3

The cab will for they're quite fun.

If you go out and pa cal Barry in Western Australia.

Speaker 1

I haven't seen camel do that much damage to Australia.

Since camel at a turk, I.

Speaker 2

Want to eat one they hate.

They've got problems with the sharks, they say, come, we've got problems with the camels.

Kill them and eat them.

I reckon the camel, hump them and that would have been and the complaints from the r s p c A will be gumming fast after the break.

While we're talking about animals, he's a smart one.

A cow that's worked out how to scratch himself with a brush, apparently the first in the world that's after this.

Ah.

Now it's a new year and it's time to bring back one of our favorite segments the day, and today's entry is a woman from Queensland by the name of and Tell Lee Thompson, and she's been done by the court for drag trafficking.

She was trafficking myth.

She spread misery, the court said, and she's been spared jail over this.

But have a look at her, right, I'm just going to declare her the dope of the day on the basis of the fact that you've just been done for smuggling myth and then you walk out the front of the court and think I know what I'm going to do.

I'm just going to give a great big smile with my three teeth to the waiting friend.

Speaker 3

Splash those pearly white women.

Speaker 2

People try to avoid this stuff out the front of the court, but she was very happy to show off her pearly white So look, you've done it all.

Speaker 3

Back thereof lack thereoff.

Now, have you ever heard of a scrunch bum scrunch bump?

Excuse me, it's true, caleb scrunch bumb tights.

If you go to the gym, you may have seen it.

Women seem to be wearing them.

This is an example of them.

Speaker 1

So basically I haven't heard of have seen?

Speaker 3

Yeah, well, basically sort of pull the fabric together to create quote a subtle ruffle effect and it gives the illusion of a fuller behind.

But there are now calls to ban it.

There's a Facebook group doing the rounds basically saying that they're a disgrace.

This post called they want to throw this trend out the door.

They don't look good on anyone, is the accusation, and many actually agreed with them.

I mean, I've seen people wearing them and you can't help but just like, I just think they look tacky.

You want to get posh spice wearing.

Speaker 1

Those They look like if you fell over, you would just bounced straight exactly.

That was my first though.

Speaker 3

Put them on.

Speaker 1

Now speaking of no, I can't say.

I was going to say, speaking of cows with backsides, but I didn't say that.

I said I was going to say that, Okay, end of days.

Right, if you ever wanted to know what it was like to live in the last death throws of human beings being at the apex of the food chain, you're wrong.

Cows have learned how to scratch their own backs.

A thirteen year old Swiss brown is the first cow to show the ability to use tools, scratching itself with a deck brush and even switching hands.

Speaker 3

Look at that.

This is incredible.

What a moment for civilization.

Speaker 1

I get the scrunch buns.

I mean, we need to can scratch.

Speaker 2

The cows are going to take over.

We have lost all hope in the world.

Thank you for joining us.

Tonight.

Up next is the reder Pane He Show.

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