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The Late Debate | 30 September
Episode Transcript
Late General.
Welcome to the late base.
I'm just getting over the fact that twenty twenty seven will be nearly twenty years.
It will be twenty years since the last Simpsons movie.
Now even I feel old.
Welcome to the program.
I'm k le Bond with freyer Leitch and Jamie Rodgers.
Here's what's coming up tonight.
A gap year in the UK used to be a right of passage for many young Australians, but visitors to the Motherland fallen off a cliff.
So what's changed.
We'll talk about that soon in the papers.
A sharp spike in the number of UNI students saying that they have disabilities and mental conditions will give you the exclusive details on the front of tomorrow's OZ.
And look, the name you give your child can have lifelong consequences, as Johnny cash Well knew.
No, I don't blame him because he right in here.
Speaker 2But the meaner saying it my daddy ever did it was before.
Speaker 1He leaps, he wouldn't name me soup Well.
Now apparently you can hire someone to name your kid, and let's hope that I don't call you son su More on that later, but first, a couple of Ossie fashion brands are in trouble from the Ad Standards Bureau because they had wait for it, skinny women in their ads.
I know you're shocked that the fashion industry would be using skinny women in their advertisements, but these days that does get you in trouble with AD Standards, which is the watchdog that looks after these things in Australia.
One of them is a brand called as you can see here some of the images that they got in trouble for.
I'm sure if you are a female viewer you may well be across Asia.
I can't say I've bought a great number of their products because they don't appeal to me, but I'm sure they may appeal to you at home.
But these are the photographs that they used and they got in trouble for.
And then there was another one called Beck and Bridge that's another brand, and they had this on the front of their website.
And yes, you can see that these girls are skinny women, I should say, and they may or may not be underage women are skinny.
But this now falls in breach of the standards and they had to take them down in the adjudications handed down by AD Standards in the case of age, they said, the panel considered that while it could not make a determination on whether the woman depicted is actually unhealthy, the posing of the woman emphasized her slight stature and the impression that she is unhealthily thin.
The panel considered that most members of the community would consider that such a depiction is irresponsible and promotes an unrealistic body image that would be unattainable through healthy practices.
And in the case of Beck and Bridge, they said, the panel considered the depiction of the woman on the left and the woman in the center that is the one you saw before.
The panel considered that both women appeared very thin.
The panel considered that the style of makeup and photography made their faces look pale and gaunt, and their bodies appeared thin and out of proportion to their heads.
The panel noted that while it could not make it a termination on whether the women depicted are actually unhealthy, it considered that the overall impression is that they are unhealthily thin.
I mean, I'm just I don't get it.
I'm not sure what the issue is.
I understand that there have been you know, ebbs and flows and waves in terms of body standards that have been used in advertising and in the fashion industry, and you know, had a move towards plus sized models and all this sort of thing in the last few years.
But the reason that supermodels have generally been very skinny, as far as I understand it, is that they are literally meant to be human coat hangers.
They're not actually there for their beauty.
They're not there because they look good.
They're there because the designer wants their clothes to drape in a certain way when they're worn.
Is that not.
Speaker 3What what did a model recently?
I mean, they're all usually dropped out gorgeous.
Speaker 1Well, I looked some look some supermodels have traditionally had, shall we say, an unusual facial.
Speaker 3They're beautiful.
But I think the issue here with this, Caleb is I think a lot of your viewers will remember back in the nineteen nineties and the early two thousands where it was that heroine chic where you think of Kate Moss who used to say nothing tastes as good as what skinny feels.
And I think when you see photos like that, my concern when I saw the one in particular, I didn't have an issue with any of the others, other the one when the girl had her arms behind her back and you could see her protruding muscles in her back.
Now, that does look like someone is too skinny, And I think we don't want to be setting those unrealistic body image expectations of what we used to see back in the nineties and the early two thousands.
And it was Georgio Rmoni who started to change the way, where he said, I don't want to have skinny models on the catwalk during my shows, and we really started to see.
There was one model who actually passed away after she walked off the cat walk because she'd had heart failure because she had literally starved herself for three months.
So we don't want to be going back to that time, and so I think that's what those probably cause some concern for people when they saw them and thought, yikes, we're happy now with the look of being fit and healthy, and that's the type of model that you want to see because that's realistic.
Not many people are super, super, super skinny.
You want to see clothes that you can see yourself in.
Speaker 4Yeah, And I think we society tends to swing in these pendulums.
So in the nineties and the two thousands, it was let's be ultra skinny, and then in the twenty tens, it's let's swing all the way back and have plus size everywhere and just reject the idea of beauty standards full stop.
But now when you look at people like Sidney Sweeney, who do occupy I think that spot in our culture of being the most attractive model and actress, she's more normal.
She's not as skinny, she doesn't look emaciated and like she's going to drop dead after a photo shoot, and that's healthy.
So I think this move back to the extremely skinny look is just not helpful.
But at the same time we have to ask, well, why did this brand choose those models the first place.
Now, they would only choose them if they thought that would sell more clothes, and so that's the other thing.
We can sit here and complain all unrealistic beauty standards, but people are buying the clothes, and often they're buying them because of what they look like on the models.
So if we want to change it, let's change our attitudes before getting bodies like at the ad regulator to start issuing takedown notice.
Speaker 1And there are skinny people in the world.
So do skinny people not deserve to have depiction.
Speaker 3The issue was they looked unhealthy.
Speaker 1But they look unhealthy.
Speaker 3But I think if you look at the actual image when you because you can see the models faced in the pictures if you look online, and some of them look as though they have their heads bigger, add a proportion to their body.
So when you were looking at.
Speaker 1That tool, they I mean, I can't tell you how tall they are.
Speaker 3Which you can see in that picture.
Look, I'm not a medical expert by any stretch.
I'm not pretending to be.
But you can see in that image there Caleb, like that front model with the white singlet, her head looks incredibly larger than her body.
And so that's the issue, is that they look unhealthy.
There's nothing against skinny people because then their head is often in proportion with their body.
Speaker 1I think it's also part of the way that the head is turned in the photograph.
Look, I'm happy for ad standards to say that people are too skinny to be in ads when they also decide that people are too fat to be in it, because because seriously, if the point is that it is unhealthy to depict people as being too skinny.
Then surely it is also unhealthy to depict people as too fat, because you are encouraging that as a beauty standard and glorified.
Speaker 4Caleb, you can be healthy at any size.
Holy No, I'm with you on that point for sure.
Well let's move on now.
We've talked a lot about universities and how they are failing Australia's young people.
Well, some new data that's been analyzed on attrition and dropout rates shows something surprising.
Over a quarter of students at some of Australia's top unis are dropping out, but it's not because they're dissatisfied.
Speaker 5With the education.
So the unis with some of.
Speaker 4The highest dropout rates like Torrens University, Central Queensland UNI, the University of New England, they have dropout rates above thirty percent, but interestingly they also have student satisfaction rates above average.
Meanwhile, on the flip side, the University of Melbourne has one of the lowest dropout rates around six percent, but also one of the lowest satisfaction rates.
So it does make you wonder what is going on here.
I think there are a few dynamics.
Some of those unis, like Torrens and Central Queensland.
They do have lower eight entry requirements, and so I think a lot of people get pushed into UNI as the pathway that they're told that.
Speaker 5Is how you make it in life.
But they're not.
Speaker 4Wired up necessarily for four more years of academic study.
So they get there and they go, oh, this isn't very fun to continue doing high school for many more years, and then they drop out.
And I think other people as well realize that you can actually make a lot of money and have a really great career without UNI, and so quickly they realize maybe UNI isn't for them.
But what does annoy me is that the Sandstone Universities once again get to have a poor quality of education, experience poor student satisfaction rates.
Speaker 5But people stick.
Speaker 4It out because they're there for the reputation and the brand name on their resume.
Speaker 1That may be true to some degree, there's also probably an element of you know, if you're going to Melbourne UNI or you see it or something like that, you know you're pretty serious about why you're there, and even if you don't particularly like university, you're there for the payoff at the end, right, so you're putting yourself through the pain for the eventual game.
Whereas you might have people going to other universities who, as you say, probably shouldn't be in university at all.
Now, that doesn't mean that they don't enjoy university.
They may will enjoy the mates they make there and the social scene and whatever else.
It doesn't necessarily mean that any good at the work they're doing at university, which is why they end up dropping out.
And that's always been Mashie with this idea that kids get shoehorned into uni, as you say, like it's the only option, because there's almost a snobbery about it that if you don't go to university, there's something defective about you, that you failed in your academic pursuits.
And I think it might have been last week I was making the point that you know that the person who's going to make the most money on any given day is when you need your septic tank emptied.
On Christmas Day, you will pay any sum of money your whole bank account.
They have that done.
If it needs to be done to some blow who's going to literally come and get in your waist.
These are jobs that will need to be done, needed to be done forever, plumbers, brickies, the whole lot.
You don't have to be sent off to university.
And I mean, if you've got unis where they're turning through thirty two percent of their students, I think that's pretty clear.
Speaker 3Yeah, absolutely, I think now's the time to be going out and getting a trade.
But one thing that we haven't spoken about is the cost to go and get these university degrees, and especially in a cost of living crisis.
In that article where the quote was from, one of the students actually said, gone are the days where you're a full time student.
Most kids are now having to actually work close to full time to be able.
Speaker 5To pay for their bills.
Speaker 3And then you have this big heck step when you go out into the workforce and you spend years and years paying it off.
They've also said a few other things like the life on campus is not what it used to be, that you're not there to have as much fun as what you might have done back in the day.
Like I know when I went to UNI, it was a great time.
We were there to you know, just pease get degrees and you just start to cruise your way through to be able to get your degree.
But because you'd have to having so much fun, but it seems as though that has now gone.
And also some of the subjects that are being taught within some of these university degrees, whether it's that the woke ideology of things that are getting pushed into it as well.
So I think it's sad that we're seeing a huge dropout because of things like cost of living.
But I know that Liberal Senator Sarah Henderson was trying to address this in the last federal election by indexing HEX.
You're just trying to find a solution of trying to entice students better go to UNI and not have this incredibly huge extep.
Speaker 4Yeah, and I think it's also just a lot more competitive for young people now because so many more people are going to UNI.
You have to have done other things.
A university degree is not enough, let alone pass.
You need to be getting good marks.
You also need work experience, you need internships, and so I think there's a lot more pressure on young people now, which is also probably wide a lot of the more elite universities, the satisfaction rate is lower because there is this sense that you're in a highly competitive environment and just going to a top university and getting.
Speaker 5A great degree is not enough.
Speaker 3Well, whilst university degrees are seeing a higher range of dropout, another thing that's changing is no longer is it the dumb thing to go and have a trim overseas over in the UK.
With Australian numbers on the decline, but also in reverse with UK migrants aren't coming here in the sheer volume of numbers of what we've seen.
Speaker 5We'll have a look here up.
Speaker 3We've got a graph year just to show how many have been coming in in comparison over the past decade, where you can see India from twenty nineteen through to now.
We see now just over fifty thousand have been coming in that past year compared to the UK, whereas just under ten thousand in comparison to what it had been only a few years ago.
But what's interesting is the number of visas that have been issued to Australians per year.
So this is taking out of account the short term visas.
Looking at back in two thousand and six it was just under four two thousand visas were issued, and then you fast forward to now twenty twenty four it was just under twenty thousand, and when you look at our migrants.
So guys, the Britain's are five percent of annual migrants, which is down twelve percent a decade ago.
And if you look at all different things that could be leading to this, We've had a labor former Prime minister in Paul Keating who has said that Australia at some point needed to cut its dow mbilical cord with the UK and had encouraged us to move more closely to Asia and away from the UK.
And when you look at Anthony Albanizi, outside of his most recent trip to the UK, but we've seen how often he's been going to Asia, so he's certainly strengthening the ties and alliance over there.
But then also things like language is being taught in school.
You're not necessarily learning French or Italian, they're said learning things like Mandarin and Japanese.
So I think all of that would be tying into it as well.
But one other thing which I think stands out of potentially what could be causing this decline in Australia going over there is this immigration health surcharge.
So back in twenty fifteen you had to pay four hundred dollars for an Immigration Health searcharge Now it is three thy, one hundred and fifty eight dollars, which is a lot of money for a twenty year old to go off and spend some time overseas.
So I think this is a used to be a rite of passage, remem everyone finished school and you go off on your gap year over to the UK.
But nowadays it either heading to the US or Asia.
Speaker 1And it's interesting because if we bring that graphic back up, that shows a number of visas that are being given out to Ozzie's to go to the UK to work, live or study, and so you've got back in two thousand and five.
I don't know if we've got that graphic again there it is, so in two thousand and five it's thirty seven thousand, three hundred and seventy five.
Then you get through sort of dwindles all the way down to last year twenty twenty four, fourteen, nine hundred and fifty three.
That is a huge drop off.
And what I think is really interesting if you look at that is you can see this sort of small drop off from five to seven.
It starts there, then you come to seven and eight, which is of course when Rudd was elected Prime minister, and it just begins this slide all the way down to twenty twenty, twelve, twenty three, which is of course where Tony Habit becomes Prime Minister, and then you have a small uptick and it does actually go up and stay up for a little while.
My question is how much of this turnarway from going to the UK is down to cultural changes where and we've seen, particularly in the last decade, if not fifteen years, this turnarway from Australia day and pride in your country and these things that link us back to the motherland to Britain, and we've rejected all of that and said that colonization is terrible and we all live on stolen land, et cetera, et cetera.
And so if you're a kid coming through the system now and you get to the end of that process, why would you want to go over there and we go and meet the people who destroyed the country allegedly that you currently live in.
Speaker 5I know exactly.
I think that's a lot of what's happening.
Speaker 4And it's really sad because if we lose as Australians, if we lose this cultural connection to the UK, we will lose the monarchy, eventually we will lose more and more of our national identity of what makes us Australian, because a fundamental part of who we are is our Anglo heritage.
It's influenced everything from our legal system to our constitution and parliamentary system, the language we speak, the culture we have, the manners we use.
It is integral to who we are as a nation, and so we need to be really concerned about this.
And just because we are proximately closer to Asia than the UK doesn't mean we are closer to them in terms of our security ties or our culture, and so we need to preserve these links to the UK.
I think probably the other factor here was also the GFC.
Now London was the financial center of the world, and right after the GFC, around that time you can see the number of visas just drop off.
And these days it's probably a sign of the UK's decline that people would opt more to go to the US places like New York.
And that's no thanks to I'm sure the UK government.
Now it's really sad.
Speaker 1Well.
That was one of the suggestions, and this was a long piece in the Telegraph in the UK about this and that was one of the suggestions, is that it's sort of the idea now is that if you want to make it in bare or finance or one of these things, and if you go to the US, you're sort of just skipping the path of going UK te So why would you bother go to the UK if you can just go to the big Kahuna.
And I think that's really sad that the UK needs to reclaim its place as one of the great cultural and business capitals of the world.
Have a look at the polling over there, it's pretty clear that Britain's want change.
While we're talking about Britain's JK Rowling, of course you will know as the writer of Harry Potter, and of course in recent years has become an outspoken advocate for women's rights in the face of what's been happening with the trans movement and taken away women's only spaces, etc.
And in the wake of all of that, you saw people like Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson, who of course were in the Harry Potter film, speaking out against JK Rowling and denouncing the terrible transphobia that she has been spewing out in suggesting that women should be able to have rights.
I know it's all terribly radical, isn't it.
But the culture has turned a little bit.
The tide has turned a little bit, and particularly over in the UK, you know places where they had the cast Report and they're getting rid of gender clinics, etc.
I know we've been a bit slow on the uptake here in Australia, but the discussion on transgender issues has moved overseas and it's not quite as fashionable anymore to get so stuck into them and say, you know, I'm on the trans side of things.
JK.
Rowlings of the world have become far more mainstream as we have realized the reality of these matters.
So Emma Watson is sort of sounding to backtrack a bit.
After years of denouncing JK.
Rowling, the woman who created the franchise and the character that put her on the map, that as a child, gave her a job, that made her shed loads of money, that has set her up for life, that gave her a career.
After years of crapping all over JK.
Rowling, She's decided, well, maybe I should soften my views a little bit.
Now, She's popped up on a podcast recently and tried to explain what she's talking about here.
I'll let you have Elizabeza.
Speaker 2Having had that experience and holding the love and support and views that I have mean that I can't and don't treasure Joe and the person that I that I had personal experiences with.
Speaker 1Yep, Okay, whatever the hell that all meant.
But she talks about in this podcast about how she loves her and she wants to be loved back and all this sort of business.
Well, JK.
Rowling is not taking it lying down.
She has hit out with a blistering attack on X in which, amongst other things, she said, like other people who've never experienced a dult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life.
She's ignorant of how ignorant she is.
I wasn't a multi millionaire at fourteen.
I lived in poverty while writing a book that made Emma famous.
I therefore understand that from my own life experience, what the thrashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without privileges.
The great irony here is that had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me a change of attack.
I suspect she's a adopted because she's noticed full throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was.
I might never have been this honest.
Adults can't expect to cozy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love as though the friend was in fact their mother.
Emma is rightly free to disagree with me, and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public.
But I have the same right, and I finally decided to exercise it.
I mean, that was just an assassination right there.
I think she got her right between the eyes.
And she makes the point if Emma had not spent all these years speaking out against me and then that the death knell, saying oh, well, maybe she's not so bad after all, she wouldn't be coming out and attacking Emma in return.
She's basically saying, are you a real mate or not?
And you've proven yourself not to be a real mate.
Speaker 4Yeah, And she's only coming crawling back, winsomely going maybe there's room here for some sort of rekindling because she realizes the tides have turned.
But JK Rowling said it so well herself.
She has declined to speak about Emma Watson or the cast of Harry Potter denouncing her numerous times over the years.
She's always stayed silent, She's always kept their relationship out of it.
But time and time again, they've always criticized her while she was getting death threats, while she was having to hire extra security and was worried about.
Speaker 5The safety of her family.
Speaker 4That's what she had to go through for years, and they continue to pour fuel on the fire of hatred against her.
And so for them for Emma Watson to now come back and go, oh, I just want to be loved and I just love you even though we disagree.
Speaker 5I mean, come on, this is not love.
Speaker 3And JK did say she will never be able to forgive Emma Watson or Daniel Radcliffe or any celebrity that was out there supporting a movement hell bent against eroding women's rights.
And JK also made a very good point when she's talking about Emma being ignorant without realizing that she's being ignorant because of things like with Emma's position.
She will never have to use a public bathroom that doesn't have a security guard waiting out the front.
She'll never be in a position where she has to go and get changed at your local sporting field, where you might have to share a bathroom with someone.
And that's what JK is trying to get the point across to Emma is that you will never actually experience a lot of these things of what she's trying to push.
Speaker 5For exactly well.
Speaker 4Also in the UK, facial recognition technology could be set to be rolled out by the UK police across the country.
They've been trialing it in South London and also in Wales and too much success.
According to the police, they've arrested five hundred and eighty alleged rapists, abuses and robbers and fifty two registered sex offenders and now they're going, well, let's roll it out across the country.
This has been tried in Australia before in the past.
Speaker 5Here in New South Wales, the.
Speaker 4Government here has switched it off earlier this year, but that's probably according to them, because it wasn't effective and it was old technology.
But really, what facial recognition technology is at the end of the day is taking the CCTV cameras and footage that's up all around the place anyway, and just using a computer program to match those faces to people who are already on the system.
I know it sounds like a scary concept, it is creepy, but I can't help.
Speaker 5But thinking this is just the future.
This is it.
Speaker 1Brother, is the future.
Brother is here.
It is the future.
There is no escape.
Sign up for your digital IDA, sign up for your facial recognition, and mister government will know where you are at all times.
This is like, it's great.
You can say it's good, we in the pedophiles, fantastic.
But at the same time they are also scanning your faces and they will say we're gathering no data.
We have no data.
We know who no one is.
Which is fine, as I said last time about digital ID, when it's the people you like who are in charge.
But you hand this technology over to people who don't like you, and they may well use it against you.
And there was a case a few years ago in the UK where they were using facial recognition technology on cameras with AI in train stations, and they were using it in these railway stations to monitor the estimated ages of passengers and their moods, like they were scanning their faces and their eyes and trying to register what their moods and emotions were.
And there was this report, secret report that was written on all the data that they'd collected from this and sent back to Amazon that said, hippie, we can use this sort of data to target advertising in railway stations to people.
So it starts with we're catching Peter files.
It ends up with we're monitoring everyone everywhere, at all times for all purposes.
Speaker 3Well, you could see on the image that we showed just before when it was an example and it had a woman walking on the street and the little screen that came up said face not recognized, but it still said her eye color and her height.
I just think this is just a really uncomfortable position to be in, Like these people have no idea that their face is currently being scanned and that face would them We've been put into a computer even though she's not at well, so we don't know what their positions.
But she's not necessarily a criminal because it says unknown face.
But they then take the data and who knows what you can do with it.
I just feel really uncomfortable in a position where people can be doing your facial recognition without knowing.
And I know that in that twelve months that they were doing the pilot they caught five hundred and eighty alleged defenders.
But I still just think in a country as well where they're bringing in wanting to bring in digital ID, it just seems a little bit of an overreach for me.
Speaker 4But don't they already have all this data anyway?
Like if if you exist in twenty twenty five and you've got a phone, and you've got social media, and you've got the Internet, but they already on the streets, they already have everything.
I would at least rather the government do something productive and use technology that already exists to help catch criminals while the UK is in a crime crisis, then just sit there and collect all the data and send it to China.
Speaker 5Anyway.
Speaker 1Okay, if you're using your mobile phone and your Facebook and all this business, you're voluntarily handing that stuff over to companies and that's your own stupid falld.
If something gets done with it, read the terms and conditions et cetera.
But is it not true that it's all fine and well to say that the technology is available, you set the precedent and say it's available for this purpose now.
But it can be used for nefarious purposes.
And so if you say this is the precedent, you can use it.
That is a logical conclusion of where you end up.
It can be used for the farious purposes.
Why would you hand that over to them?
Speaker 5But anything can be used for an affaia purposes.
Speaker 4That's why you have to have checks and balances and safeguards and ensure that totalitarian governments don't get elected.
You applied to absolutely anything.
Speaker 3But you don't get that with the facial recognition because you haven't signed up for that.
So you're just walking the street short face is getting scanned, like what we saw in that picture where that woman has no idea but all her height and her eye color.
Speaker 1So effectively, you have to remove yourself from society if you don't want to have all your geometric biometric data gathered by big government, or just.
Speaker 5Try wearing a balaclave or when you.
Speaker 1Weed, isn't it you've got no option?
I think it is.
It's really scary, particularly in a country, and don't believe this couldn't happen here, particularly in a country where they are bringing in compulsory digital ID to be able to work in that country.
You know, you start linking every little service and everything up, all of a sudden, the data they collecting your gets put on your digital everything will be in one place controlled by the government.
I think that's a dangerous President.
Speaker 3Well, let's go now to Victoria, where a decision has been made at an all men's club.
A survey was conducted earlier this year to see whether women should be allowed to join at this club to have lunch.
In that survey, four of the four hundred and fifty eight men said they would be happy to have women there, So I thought, let's do a trial and see how it goes.
Well, the trial has ended, and so has the ability for ladies to lunch at the Savage Club.
I'm sorry to interrupt, did you four they are of the four hundred and fifty eight supported having women at the Math Club.
Speaker 5But I've got to say it is it's a men's club.
Speaker 3I don't have an issue with the fact that they don't want to have ladies.
Speaker 1I'm flabber guest, because we were talking about this story last week, they had and what do you call it, extraordinary general meeting called by some of the members of the Savage Club in Melbour to say we don't like this trial.
What the hell was the club doing in the first place, having a trial to let women come into the club where only four of the four hundred odd members said they wanted it in the first place.
I mean, that's a joke.
So they've had the meeting and they've managed to get rid of it.
I mean, it's a men's club.
Why can't it just be for me?
Why do they want to thrust women in me?
Speaker 4Well, yeah, that's the point.
And there are women's clubs.
I don't think they're particularly like.
I've never been to one.
I don't know what goes down at the women's clubs.
Speaker 1Well, no, I haven't been to one either, but I'm told the Ethnem Club in Melbourne.
Speaker 5Is very nice, very nice.
Speaker 4Well, someone could get me an invite.
I'd love to come check it out.
Speaker 1But no.
Speaker 4And that's the point.
We have to defend single sex spaces.
It rubs us when we've been conditioned to sort of see men's only activities as somehow.
Speaker 5Uncouth or on the nose.
Speaker 4The idea of a men's club naturally like, oh, but of course women should be able to join.
That seems a bit outdated, But no, the principle is the same.
You have to have single sex spaces.
But I do love the arguments that some people raise.
Speaker 5It was because of.
Speaker 4Their boisterous bohemian behavior and the risk of angry Karens across the dining room being mad when they're at the clubs, So, you know, a win for the man, I guess.
Speaker 1And I think the reason, the ultimate reason they want to do away with these men's clubs and get women in there is because they hate the idea that men can actually have somewhere to be men.
Yeah, and you know, like in the world of toxic masculinity, everything a man does that may be a bit boisterous or it tells a blue joke, it's like, oh, it must be struck off and gotten rid off forever.
You can't have any of that.
That's why they want to put women in there.
So men feel uncomfortable to say and do things that they wouldn't do around women.
Doesn't mean that they're bad blokes.
In fact, it shows that they have some insight if there are things that they wouldn't say around women, just as I'm sure when groups of women gather together they have conversations that they wouldn't have in front of their husbands.
It's just the way the world works.
Leave it as it is, please, I'm glad that men and women are different.
Let's go over to the United States, where an interesting legal precedent may well be set now.
The Department of Justice is using laws that stop you from impeding someone's ability to get into an abortion clinic to sue.
A number of activists and protesters protested last year out the front of a synagogue basically saying that they're using these laws to say you can't impede someone's ability to get into a place of worship.
This was in New Jersey last year, and we should notice it wasn't that they went worshiping at the time.
There was an event there to sell real estate in Israel.
So I had these pro Palestinians turn up and said, oh, you're selling land on souln land and all this sort of business, right, and there was some violence involved.
But this case seems to be run on the basis that these protesters gathering were impeding the ability of someone to get into a place of worship.
And I get the point, like, you shouldn't be able to block anyone from getting into any building as far as I'm concerned, protests go for your life, couldn't give us stuff and just don't get in the way of people going about their everyday lives.
But is the danger that you set a precedent that you can't protest out the front of a place of worship and you almost make that a protected area above everything else.
Speaker 3But should I feel as though a place of worship should be a protected area?
Speaker 1Why more than anything else.
Speaker 3Because that's somewhere that should be a peaceful place.
That's where people should go and feel safe, because we've seen what's been happening over in the US.
You want to be able to go there and pray or whatever you do with your different pleas you worship.
But I just think it's a sacred place.
It's somewhere that you should feel safe to go to with your community and not have protesters out the front making you feel like you're unsafe.
Speaker 4And the reality is the president is already there.
They were just using legislation that was previously banning Christians from intervening and holding rallies and supporting people outside abortion clinics.
Now they're just using the left's own laws to say, how about we protect the Jewish community.
So I am more on the side of absolute free speech myself.
I would say, let's just get rid of all of these laws basically, as long as we can maintain public order.
But you know what, if the Left has put these laws into place to protect abortion clinics, why not use them to protect the Jewish community.
Speaker 1Yeah, I get what you're saying, but you know, one day it'll be you can't do it at the front of a mosque either.
When there's something going I just think it's a dangerous president to see.
Everything should be on the agenda.
Everything is up for criticism.
After the break, we'll get into the paper.
You probably know the story of these theories that Tasmani reward and they've been sitting over in Scotland for years.
They still haven't got them and now, having not had a single voyage, be pain to upgrade for the years.
That's more coming up radio.
Let's find out what's going on in the world tomorrow.
We'll start with the Herold Sun.
Speaker 3Jamie we are.
And there's a really interesting story that is on the front page.
Speaker 5Cure for Kids.
Speaker 1Now.
Speaker 3This is a Melbourne medical marvel where in a major breakthrough, Melbourne researchers have found a cure for drug resistant epilepsy in children after creating an AI detective which locates brain lesions smaller than a blueberry.
Spotting these tiny seizure causing lesions with medical imaging alone has been difficult and often delayed life changing surgery for young children.
So now that they've been using this imaging with an advanced AI tool, eleven Australian children with uncontrolled seizures have been cured after taking part in a landmark study published on Wednesday.
I think this just sounds like the most incredible discovery.
And to think that AI is now able to be used in medical breakthroughs now too.
Speaker 5See, AI is not all bad kalah.
Speaker 1Thank god.
It's doing something good for the world, I have to say, you know, and good for people's helfles.
You know, we've talked about the Elil Musk is making these brain chips neuralink he wants to give to people, which you know, again I worry about what happens if you start putting that in everyone's brains.
But for people who have neurological issues that they can fix with this technology, we should just be throwing every dollar that we can find at it.
Because much like the new vanguard of war is going to be online and AI and drones, all this sort of stuff, I think, so you need the same in the medical world.
Speaker 3So we are sticking with the Herald Sun with another article, So many crimes, so few cops.
Thousands of Victorian victims of crime are being denied justice as the number of unsolved cases have sowed to almost three hundred thousand, the most on record in a year.
Crime Statistics Agency figures show almost half of all reported crimes in the past twelve months remain unsolved.
The two hundred and ninety six thousand unsolved cases is a one hundred and eighty one thousand increase on the previous year.
A mide a worsening resourcing issue that has put an estimated two thousand police off the beat and forced dozens of stations to close.
Speaker 5Or cut hours.
Speaker 3Now police have said that this is obviously hindering investigations because they're being stretched, they don't have enough staff.
This just seems like more and more issues coming out of that state.
Speaker 4I mean, half of all crimes being unsolved after a year.
Speaker 5That is just shocking.
That is so bad.
Now I want to know what.
Speaker 4The statistics are like in other states, because surely that's an anomaly.
I mean, fifty percent is absolutely shocking, and an eighty thousand increase versus last year.
Victoria's policing system, it's justice system, is in crisis mode right now.
Speaker 5And I don't know how.
Speaker 4The citizens of Victoria have any confidence in law enforcement if they can't solve half of all crimes.
Speaker 1Well, you know, last time I talked about a chap he was out Dope of the Day for Monday who carjacked an elderly woman and said he did it for something to do.
I mean, it's a totally believable excuse when you start looking at numbers like this, because the chances are you're not going to.
Speaker 4Get caught for anything, so why wouldn't you commit driving exactly?
And when people think that, well, then you remove the deterrence to commit crimes, and then it's only going to make the problem worse.
Moving on to the Australian Tomorrow Peace Inc.
President's audacious Gaza startup.
Hamas has been given a final chance to end the war and gun or face annihilation after Donald Trump unveiled an audacious peace plan requiring the Palestinian enclave to be governed by an international body he would lead.
Anthony Albinizi backed the plan and urged all parties to the conflict to bring its vision into reality, as Jewish groups demanded the Prime Minister use his newfound connections with Palestine's factions to help get it across the line.
The US President said it was a historic day as he unveiled his twenty point piece plan requiring her Master to release the remaining hostages within seventy two hours, laid down its weapons in return for a phase withdrawal of Israel's forces and the longer term redevelopment of the territory.
Now it all sounds great in theory, but materially what's changed.
This will still require Hamas to give up the hostages and lay down their weapons, two things we know they absolutely.
Speaker 5Do not want to do.
So I'm fully supportive of this.
Speaker 4I'm glad Albanese has finally seen the line and started to support the US's initiatives in Gaza.
But will Hamas agree to this, that's the fundamental question.
Speaker 1Yeah, Look, it remains to be seen.
Speaker 5Right.
Speaker 1I'm glad there's something concrete on the table.
It's supported by most of the hour of world, which is great because to get anything done in that region you need some level of consensus, and it seems in this case we do have that, which is good.
Now it's up to the terrorists and make up.
Speaker 3The well exactly, and that's the one big issue here is we are dealing with a terrorist organization, so be wait and see what they come back with.
Speaker 5Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1Well.
Speaker 4Also in the Australian Tomorrow, UNI surge in self declared disabilities this is an exclusive mental illness ADHD and autism are surging among university students as record numbers self declared discibil ability.
One in twenty Australian students who started a university degree last year cited a mental health condition including anxiety or depression, with one and forty declaring a neurological condition including autism or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.
The number of students declaring a disability has searched nineteen percent in.
Speaker 5The past four years.
Now we've seen this growing trend in the.
Speaker 4NDIS, the explosion in people being diagnosed with disabilities, but to have one in twenty at our universities also claiming that and therefore probably claiming all the special considerations, the extra exam time and learning support.
I mean, seriously, is this just another example of disability diagnoses being handed out left, right and center.
Speaker 3Yeah, it certainly seems like an issue right across the board when you look at how many young children are currently on NDIS, you look at the numbers here, which just seems so excessive.
One in twenty Australian students who start a university degree have a cited mental health condition.
So I think there's something else that's going on here, and whether it is to your point that they're going to get dispensation as part of their degree, and it's something, it's something that we need to be investigating because there seems to be a lot more diagnosis these days than what it was in the past.
Speaker 4And I have no doubt that a lot of young people do have mental health issues.
I mean, all the data says that.
But that's the problem, Like, we can't just keep solving this through more handouts or more special conditions at university or school.
We need to actually get to the root cause here, and we don't seem to be doing that.
Speaker 1If you listen to the avs.
One in five people in this country are disabled.
Let's sinking on the front of the Daily Telegraph tomorrow, of course, the story of the day about poor old Keith Urban and Nicole that they've split up.
What's going on there?
The you know love is dead anyway?
Now?
The story on the front the Telly Tomorrow experts please for cap on tobacconist's shunks charge in where there is smoke.
Hundreds of people already bustard for selling illegal vapes and tobacco have been caught trying to apply to a new government license scheme to sell cigarettes, with the state government set to block a thousand operators from the scheme as soon as it starts.
It comes amid a war of words between state and federal governments over who is to blame for the explosion in black back at tobacco sales, which is costing the budget billions of dollars in fueling violent organized crime, which just goes to show just how seriously they take me play.
Hell.
Let me back into the system, even though I've been done already.
They know the whole thing is.
Speaker 3A joke, they do, and we need to be going and cracking down very hard on this.
But it's interesting in this article where they're saying they don't know whether it's the state or federal or who's going to be responsible, who's going to be coming in here to fix this mess.
Well, let's have a look now at the Mercury and this is one story that just continue news to go on, and that is the Spirit for hull upgrade, just precautions.
So the government has downplayed the seriousness of works on the hull of the new Spirit of Tasmania.
For Labour's questioned why the new half billion dollar Fairy needs upgrades before it has even carried a paying passenger.
A routine update about the ship's project on Friday revealed the works.
The Spirit of Tasmania Recovery Team is delivering the upgraded whole specifications.
But I tell you what, guys, it seems like a never ending saga with these ferries in Tasmania.
Speaker 4The Fairy and the stadium, Like can is there anything else going on in Tasmania other than the fairies and the stadium?
Speaker 1Look at least it's a beautiful place.
It does have something going Florida.
So after the break they say that cocaine is God's way of telling you you have too much money.
Well guess what we found another one paying someone to name your baby for you for And soon it's time for today entry into the day.
And today we have a young chap from Sydney who is alleged to be part of a drug ring.
Now this mob was allegedly stashing meth into curry boxes.
Well done.
But he told his parents when he was a young man that he never wanted to have a nine to five job, and his parents insisted that he get a nine to five job.
And he said to them, quote and this pops up in the court documents.
I beat that f and s hi t out of them.
I E.
I'm going to find a job that is not nine to five.
Well, again it is alleged, but I will say you report you so.
And look, sometimes life just comes at you fast, doesn't it.
Speaker 5Well, he didn't want a nine to five jobs, be creative.
That he's ended up.
Speaker 3Being creative, just like this next story where any expected parents.
You know, it's hard to try and find what to name your baby.
Well, one woman over in America, she charges forty five thousand dollars for that service.
She said it's quite an important job, and she often hires think tanks where they go around a table and find the most appropriate name so that it's not too common, not boring, not too trendy, but slightly trendy and well for forty five thousand dollars, it is hard.
I must say, I've got two boys, and naming the two boys is certainly a tough thing to do.
But to pay forty five douss you can actually get a ten thousand dollar service as well.
Forty five thousand dollars is the budget whole shebang.
Speaker 1I'm going to do it for nine hundred nine to cut the whole lot of them forgot it.
If you are paying someone forty five grand to name your child for you, just write the check out the color bond and send it to me, because I can tell you I could do with it a lot more than that person.
Good, what are you doing?
What the money do you have?
If you speak forty five k to get someone the name you keep?
Speaker 3And it does sound like she's actually quite busy.
Speaker 4Yeah, I's got a lot of clients.
Well, that does shock me.
That sounds like a pretty fun job, though.
I feel like naming babies would be a lot of fun.
You get to know the family and the parents.
Speaker 5That's quite a lot good time, a lot of money.
Though.
Fill out a survey like.
Speaker 1What is wrong?
What is wrong with people?
And I hope if they're doing I hope they're actually coming out with decent names.
Did you see some of the names on kids these days?
God will hire that lady?
Oh?
Speaker 4Well, maybe they did, and that's the problem.
Some of the celebrity names are bad.
But speaking of celebrities, Baron Trump allegedly went on a date with a girl at Trump Tower and security had to.
Speaker 5Block off the entire floor.
Speaker 4I think going on a date with a guy who has his name on the building is a lot already.
Blocking off an entire floor that is next level.
But I guess if you're going out with the president's son, you can't really expect anything less.
Speaker 3Well, apparently it's hard to secure.
Speaker 5They need.
Speaker 3Security needs to be able to keep track of Baron.
Speaker 5With all the ladies coming after him.
Speaker 1At least, though, you know when I don't know whether he gets on the apps or what he does.
But you know he can say meet me, meet me, meet me at my joint and to ask where the addresses they just turned up A trumped out thank you very much for watching tonight.
That's is from us up next to ridder Pending