Why are you so sad all the time?

You used to be so happy and vibrant.

Oh, I don't know.

Maybe because they canceled Mind Hunter.

Hey, fun fans, it's we enjoy.

We're gonna drag ourselves to Hell with drag Me to Hell, which is the movie today, our final Sam Raimi movie.

In this run, we are the Mattitude Derek.

I am Matt Fowler.

Say hello Eric, Drag Eric to Hell.

Goldman, I'm also hello, everybody.

I'm also Eric.

Has a cat in my lap right now?

Goldman, Well, that's dragged me to Heaven.

We'll see how peacefully she stays during this.

She watched Drag Me to Hell with me and I told her to look away during one part and.

It was not by the way, you couldn't go out of your house and find any other animal walking around like a squirrel or some shit.

I d right after that thing happened.

Boo.

So obviously full spoilers for Drag Me to Hell movie I hadn't seen in a minute.

Movie I did remember most of but so happy and you will have already heard us do a breakout episode about send help Vomiting's back.

Baby.

I love that the the Raymie spew has returned.

Yeah, I force for send help, but here it was I feel like a lot of elements, even though it was PG thirteen.

You know, it's not like a rated our Evil Dead movie.

I do appreciate so much of Drag Me to Hell being like Raymie getting so much out of his system, having not done a goofy movie since probably Evil Dead too, you know, like it had been so long, even you know, Army of Darkness had a scene of like fluids, but like nothing like you've did two.

And I feel like there was so much stored up within Raymie.

He's like, I gotta get it all out, and I got to put it all over.

Alison Lohman, Uh.

Yeah, I mean yeah.

This was obviously after three Spider Man movies in a row.

It was supposed to be the movie in between Spider Man three and four.

Uh, but like going from again Dark Man, we just did this quick and the Dead.

We skipped over the Baseball movie.

By the way, spoilers, Eric, I know you haven't seen it.

No one vomits all over someone's face, and in for the Love of the Game.

There's not a scene and for the love of the Game or someone just insanely spews onto Kevin Cotta.

Is not a scene where he's on the pitchers mound and he just gets this violent nosebleed that sprays the entire.

Bullpen, because you know, because Kevin costars like you know, our perception of him, especially recent ears, is like is one of the more most self serious people ever.

I just love the idea of John c Riley, just like not some projectile vomiting.

No.

The thing is is that we've been doing a lot of movies where Ramy has been taking a pivot from his usual style and trying to something different, more traditional.

But we've been seeing glimpses of Rayminess in these movies, like picking them out right from the dream secuences and the gift to like the shotgun blast in Simple Plan and stuff like that.

And then even in the Spider Man movies, especially in two with the doc Dock operating room attack scene with the POV of the clamps and the claws, it's like, oh, here's Ramie's Rayminess shining through a big budget Hollywood movie.

Now he can just go full Raymie with Drag Me to Hell, a movie which again Pg.

Thirteen, but man so much grosser than most rated R movies in many many ways that they just so much mouths on faces and piss and pists and throats and yeah.

Yeah, we've teld you know, ratings can be so arbitrary and army of darkness feels like barely are So it is funny that this is PG and feels so much grosser.

There's so much more vaulting, so much more guaranteed to like nauseate you know, people, especially if they're sensitive about this stuff.

We will have already talked about this with send help.

But like it's interesting to see the pivot from what was previously a ton of practical effects because it's that was the era, and that was when they excel that, and that was the glock that they used in the Evil Dead movies, to the computer effects to mostly successful degrees, which is to say, like there was not many times when you're taken out because it's CGI.

A few times there are where it's like, man, I wish that was practical, Like when the eyeballs pop out of Missus Ganush's face and go onto her face.

You know, that was very CGI.

Obviously, also there was I had forgotten how much of this movie and correct me if I'm wrong.

Felt super built for three D?

Right, Wasn't this a three D experience?

Movies are popping out all over the place, like the Ruler in the Mouth, and.

I don't think it was.

I mean, this is crazy.

It felt like so some shots just felt like three D shots.

I mean, I honestly think that's just Ramy.

Yeah.

This is two thousand and nine, the year.

Avatar will open at the end of the year, though, as you mentioned things like My Bloody Valentine, we're doing it already.

But no, I think I honestly think that is just Ramie.

And it is funny that Send Help I think will be his first three D release.

That's crazy because he's someone who is sort of ready made for three D with the way, you know, just like the zooming camera motions and all the point of view shots of anything.

That it is funny to, you know, think about that.

Yeah, this is a guy who, Yeah, three D is a good fan.

I haven't seen Send Help again.

Has we record this?

I saw Send Help not in three D, but I actually might go see in three D.

Has we're even just discussing this and how.

I'm just gonna say you haven't seen send help.

I've thought I saw you post about.

It, no doubt.

Yeah he sent help.

He just went to A Q and A with Sam Raimi, but he didn't show the movie where he did, like spoilers anything you want.

He just recited that he read the screenplay.

Everybody, here's what happened.

He actually wrote the wiki page in front of us.

He wrote the plot.

So here's what it'll say.

There's so much to talk about with this movie, and one of the things I wanted to bring up.

We could talk about the stars and stuff later.

First thing I want to ask Eric is did your mom and I don't know if you told me this or if I'm imagining it, or if I'm just asking a legitimate question right now.

No, Lorna Raver, Oh, stage actress from Chicago who's around your mom's age, who also moved to Los Angeles and did theater and stuff.

So I didn't know if she was new year knew Laura from.

The Chicago scene.

Oh, I really have no idea.

I didn't know any of the background you're giving me on Lorda Raver.

I will ask her because that is a good question that I feel there is certainly depending on if they co existed in the mid seventies, there's a good chance.

Okay.

The other part here is that there's with horror movies, and again this is like horror comedy, not like Habit in the Woods, but something a little different.

I have a weird line with horror movies, which is to say, I don't like, I can appreciate, but it's not like I want to see I'll watch these movies once, but then no further, this far, no further, Jean Luke Bicard, like a Funny Games or an Eden Lake or a Speak No Evil, the European version, right, which is to say, like people get tormented for two hours and then they they lose, you know, like yeah, except there's a playfulness to this movie that plays off expectations, and there's almost also the raby fairy tale quality to it.

Right that also you could argue that this maybe is kind of like that, except those other movies I'm talking about are like you're tormented by actual human psychopaths and not like a malevolent demon, curve spirit or something like that.

Right, there's an element here that I really love that doesn't translate to those other torture movies.

You know, yeah, But I think that's Raymi in general.

So I've watched this movie a lot.

I revisited.

Trish loves it too.

We probably watched it even with the cat death.

She loves it even with.

The cat death.

But uh, yeah, so we've we watched this movie and you know, every year, No, we watch it every few years.

So I've seen it, you know, in the in recent dish memory.

And I think that's Raymi in general, because you know, when I was writing about Send Help, I had the same thought about it.

It's like, and even going to fact that Evil Dead two is a movie that I've recommended to people who don't like, you know, horror movies as long as again there's a line for everyone.

And so it's like the gross out stuff.

It's like, is the gross out stuff its own?

I don't want that because the tone is so fun and the excess and and you know, people being bled on is you know, or puked on.

That could be just you know, horrific and disgusting in some hands, but is so cartoonish, like the way he does it.

The more, or is more the fact that it's clearly meant to be darkly funny.

If you can go with that.

Yeah, is gives him an end that a lot of other horror directors don't because he's always kind of intermixing that and so, yeah, I think a movie like this because one thing I was thinking about a lot watching this movie last night was how well this movie played with an opening night audience and how I was like, Oh, that was a big reaction.

That was a big reaction.

Oh my god, I remember the audience being so into this.

And yeah, just that these things like sort of really kind of play well, which is to say, if you're going, oh with the gums on jaw and mouth, but you're still kind of like with it in a weird because it's so winking, it's just so obviously kind of going for it.

Oh that brings me.

That settles up to the other side point here, which is that people view movie different.

People view movies differently.

They view movies differently.

They expect different things from different from their their stories.

They want different things from their stories.

They can only invest if certain boxes are checked, which is to say, I need a rootable I need an investable protagonist that wins.

I need a happy ending.

I need somebody who's good.

I need somebody.

I need to see justice prevail.

I need to see the right karmic outcome for this movie.

And you know, we've had a little few discussions about gen Z not being able to deal with bad or complicated or complex layered, flawed characters and the discourse after this movie, and I think it's it's fun because it's a bigger movie than normally you'd see on this platform, because you know, the movie was a thirty million dollar budget.

It did quite well for itself, almost one hundred million of did she deserve her fate?

Like that's actually something that people actively want to discuss, and it's kind of jumped through mental hoops to say, oh, she did because of these mistakes, even though she had toned it was too late.

And I don't think that was the point, though I could.

You would say that this is the tale of somebody who made missteps and in a horror movie, that's unforgivable no matter what, right, Like that's sort of like the curse is gonna get you, or from a more nihilistic view, it doesn't matter who you are, Like the movie opens with a child being dragged to hell.

Yeah yeah, right, So no one's arguing whether he deserved it, right, he didn't follow him on his three day journey.

That's a prequel movie that could happen, right, but like, we didn't follow that whole story.

He clearly did not make the mistakes she made.

And also it's very much.

He stole something, right, but it's like, is that mean he should be dragged to hell?

Right?

And it's also a thing where in it it's not quite an a twenty four way, but it's almost like her character missteps here as far as like wanting this promotion because she needs to stay with her boyfriend who has very judgmental parents, and she's trying so hard to get rid of her you know, farm accent and be an opposite person that she used to be.

Like is that sort of like makeover vanity worth?

Like is that like is that condemning?

You know what I mean?

Like, is that something that should put her in a place where she is tortured for all eternity?

Well that's that's sort of a horror movie trope.

It doesn't matter.

But anyway, it's fascinating to see like people needing to justify them because for some people and no one I know, because everyone I know really loves this movie.

But you know, I know only cool people.

But anyway.

They need, they don't want it to feel like a two hour waste of time or an hour and forty minute waste of time, which is like I watched all that just so she could be dragged to hell.

And then you joking, we would say it's in the title.

They deliver on what they're from.

It it's right there.

But you know, everyone requires different things for them to be entertained.

I guess, yeah.

But oh, it's funny because I've been rewatching you know, Twilight Zone, and you know, as we as I mentioned before, I know later seasons, some of them are the half hour seasons, but I'm watching the first season, which is hour long episodes, which is you know, really like forty five minute episodes.

But yeah, and a lot of them are morality plays, and a lot of them like this person behaves in this shitty way, so this is going to be their come up and and you know, which is sort of what dragged Me to Hell is.

Again, it's not saying she is a worthless person and she never did anything good in her life, and they go out of their way in what may or may not have been a studio note thing to say, have her actually be directly apologetic before she's still going to be dragged to hell.

But I think that's that.

I think that's all.

It's all, Okay, Yeah, I don't need the movie is just having a wicked good time, not in the Boston sense in the.

In the she's trying to hell at the end, and she's like, it's wicked awesome.

No, it's just it's it's having this sort of nasty fun time with this story.

Uh, And so yeah, I don't need it to be like, yeah, I can know what you're saying, like, yeah, some people really want an answer to that question where I think it's just like she made this decision, it was the wrong decision.

And these are the consequences because so in different hands and maybe less adept hands, the gotcha ending, which is also you feel like something's about to drop because things are too storybook at the end, right, everything's too happy that that's only there for like the Jason popping out of the lake shock value and not adding to the story.

It's like, because the climax, the thing in the grave really does feel like a climax between her and Missus ganush and like that feels like crawling up out of hell to save herself, right, and you're like, well that's settled, that's all sorted, and then you get the gotcha ending.

But like the gotcha ending is the movie for me.

It makes the movie.

If it wasn't that, the movie wouldn't be the movie like it would We wouldn't be talking about this movie if it wasn't for that.

And also not just for stories, but in just stories in general come up and always outweighs the sin, right, like if it's a Flannery O'Connor story or a morality tale or a twilight Zone, like no one ever truly deserves like the level of you know, reckoning that they have to deal with for their character flaws.

And I think if we go back to something like a simple plan, which is like these are clearly people with good intentions at first, but doing terrible things about the movie, and yet you still are on the edge of your seat wanting them to get away with this and keep the money.

Because there's an element to Christine's character which is like she's doing things that any of us would do.

We're all we all falter, we're all bad.

People, and we all want to feel like we don't.

We're not going to get mega punished for the slips that we make, you know, so we understand the decisions she's making in the moment.

We understand we also are given an old romani woman who is a absolute psychotic monster before she even curses her.

Oh, she's she's, she's she's a gross person.

But I mean, like there's a movie, there's a version of this movie where she just curses her in the bank.

She just does the thinner thing, you know, she's like thinner and touches her face or something instead of trying to actively, I don't know, kill her in her car right afterwards, and like before she even tries to like curse her as a last resort, really, you know, she gums her face, but that's because she thinks she has teeth and she was gonna bite her mouth off or something like absolute unhinged crazy person you know, in the in the guise of this you know, frail old woman.

So anyway, there's a lot of interesting things here with this movie.

And again, this is a movie that probably I feel attracted none people who don't see horror movies regularly, right, like this type of like Splashy two thousand and nine movie with a very good like this title is.

I was gonna say that what title ism is so good?

Yeah, yeah, the title is so good.

And let's talk about also the fact that you know this movie because yes, you watch his other movies and there are not just glimpses of like you know, the the sam Reimu that you know, the formative Samary Me, but there's like visual things that are very similar up to Send Help having, like camera whipping through the woods.

You know.

But this movie is so evil dead at points, especially in the finale nut which is not really the finale, but when they try to kind of do the sort of seancedite and yeah, it gets so evil dead that there were articles that are like is this set and evil dead universe?

You know that people?

Yeah, or people try to like, you know, you know, get which is it's not it's just Sammary Me having fun, but but clearly evoking his own visual past.

But even like the reason I thought of it just now is because you were saying how great the title is.

Just when they go to title, and the way the music even plays is very evil dead, like you know.

At the end when she's d No, I mean they're just because we're dealing with a book with like illustrations of demons too.

Like the whole opening credits also drag me to Hell and then we go into you know whatever.

This movie's versions of Necronomicons are as far.

Oh yeah.

And by the way, I understand why people did those articles or ask those questions, because yes, there is a version of this movie where they someone holds up the necronomicon or says the word deadite and you could say it's, uh, it's a spin off story.

It's if you want it to be.

You didn't even need to.

It's a movie that.

Where demons and Satan exist.

Therefore it is automatically almost the evil.

But I think it's like we're talking about, like when that guy gets possessed at the end, and he's the way he's floating, the way he looks, the contacts, the dancing around, uh is extremely evil dead even.

The goat becoming possessed for that brief moment, because like it makes you think of the animal heads and the cabin turns.

Yeah, and the laughing through the curtains is very yeah.

Yeah, So it did feel like and you know, after this the you know, a few years later, Rainmy will produce Evil Dead twenty thirteen, but it'll also direct The only thing he directs in between Oz and Doctor Strange two is the pilot to Ash versus Evil Dead, so he actually does go back directly to that world.

But it felt like he was missing it.

You know, did he do the first two or I think he only did the pilot.

Yeah, yeah, because it was a long time before Multiverse of Madness, except yeah, he did the whole He did a lot of Evil Did Dead things in between.

And Multiverse of Madness being a movie that way more than Spider Man leans into his horror capabilities, you know, that is much more direct and pulling in Rainmy type stuff.

Alison Loman at this point had you know, been doing movies for about ten years or so as a kid actress and match Stickman and a lot of other things White Oleander, and then kind of didn't do anything after this because in two thousand and nine she married this other dude, and I don't know if she went MAGA, but she went super Catholic, which she may have always been, so I don't know, I feel like we know her politics.

I don't want to.

We don't have to go into that.

But she kind of this kind of capped off her career.

She stopped after this, and it only did movies that either he directed or produced and which are just a couple and you know, I don't know, great way to go out if you're gonna like yes, and by the way, Matt, so she may be a bad person, but yeah, she's.

Had some not great tweets.

I say, we used to follow each other and it.

Was like, oh oh, it's like that Dandy Warhol song.

A long time ago.

We used to follow each other Twitter matchstick men.

By the way, just as a tangent is a great movie or a I guess, you know, seen as a slighter slighter movie in really Scott's filography and that it's like, you know, a lighter touch.

But it's Nicholas Cage and Sam Rockwell and her and it's very good and people should watch it.

I want to talk about Justin long here as a guy who we now proclaim as a scream scream king.

Yeah, but it's funny because you know, for usually for someone to get a scream queen, I don't know, you just have to be in prominent horror movies.

It doesn't have to be the bulk of your career anymore.

It used to be that that's all you did in the eighties or something.

It was like, you did, you know, exploitation and horror movies, and you were a scream queen.

Now, granted he kind of started with Jeepers Creepers, but then he just played a dork for fifteen years, and in between that he was in This and Tusk, and then no one was really proclaiming him a scream king then, but then came twenty twenty one with not just Barbarian, but there was a movie that I actually reviewed, Fried Jenn where it was him and Kate Bosworth, who's now his wife.

We're in this Dracula bridees a Dracula movie, and now he's a scream king.

So it's funny because like now he's just doing now.

I don't know if he's leaned into it or he just super enjoys it, but I just think it's a funny way to have a conversation about what the criteria are.

Because Rebecca Hall could be a scream queen too, because she did two freaky movies in a row, even though that's not the majority of her career at all.

But yeah, I just reviewed Night Patrol, his latest horror movie.

With oh with Phil Brooks.

Yes for MOVIEB You can read my review of that there.

But yeah, just a long yeah, very likable guy who obviously his on screen persona is like likable dorky guy, which is why you can either directly subvert it.

I can Barbarian or just kind of place him into a movie where it's like crazy shit's happening around him.

I feel like he was a likable dorky guy until Tusk, and then he was able to play assholes.

Never seen never seen it.

Yeah, yeah, it's not great.

I mean like it's another one of those things where it's almost it's almost torture born in a different way.

And I saw it once and I don't need to see it again.

But yeah, he was a douchebag.

Again, we're talking about like somebody who's an asshole.

Does he deserve the fate he gets?

Right?

Like this is just the way horror movies play out.

I guess what I like about his character here.

One is that he's somehow a professor at age twenty five.

The other is that he seems like an easy like, oh he dies, right, Like he's a skeptic too, right, you know, the movie changes a bit when he decides to after his dinner with his parents to double down and love her and support her.

So it's sort of like he feels like an easy casualty and he's not even the again like the Witches assistant who gets deadite possessed.

You feel like he's not making out of that a love either, because you know, we don't know this guy.

He's like the red coat or red shirt and he lives.

Basically, the fact that this movie has a very low body count is because we're going to get the main character dragged a hell at the end.

So right, yeah, it's a curse movie and it's very hyper specific and yeah, so it's it's the two people dragged to Hill the book and her movie and the old woman you know, who's who we see as a corpse who then gets to do a bunch of corpse work.

Not corpsing where you break, but no corpsing where you're attacking people.

Actually be an antagonist, which, if you want to explain it, nothing this corpse is doing is actually on purpose or the movie makes you think it is and makes you feel like from beyond the grave, she is still fucking with her in the horrible ways.

Yeah, you know, ripping her hair out numerous times, putting her barfing.

I guess what is embalming fluid something down her throat.

Yeah, I was thinking.

I was also thinking with this, it's you know, interesting to watch this back back with the Gift, even though he made an entire trilogy of giant blockbuster Spider Man movies in between them.

But you know where the Gift never really clicks in for me, and even the bits of Raimi imagery we get, I don't think really land in that movie.

And maybe it's because it's just it's not a great script, I mean, the script that has issues.

And also I just don't know if he like his vibing with it, because this movie is like it all just works, which is to say, all the stuff that is kind of big and ramiant theatrical, like the shadows for the hands and they're on the windows and they're coming under the doors, and it all just really fits and works really well.

Here.

I thought, Matt, Yes, I was gonna say, I thought this was his first script since Dark Man.

I mean it certainly does tell you know, no matter what he was often you know, he went into this once he started doing studio movies Dark Man Aside.

It's like and the you know, which he was more involved with the development of it was his movie.

He's working on other people's scripts.

I did forget.

He actually has a co writing screen credit on Spider Man three, which is funny because it's the weakest of the Spider Man movies, but it's also the one that we know he was the most undered drest.

It is also the one with the moments that felt like the most sam Raimi to the movie's detriment.

Actually, so that's the bad part, right, that was a caught Yeah.

Well, everything we know about Spider Man three is production is like conflict in the studio wants one thing and he wants another.

So this movie, as we're saying, it's it's a return to for him.

It's a it's a palette cleanser for him.

It's a you know, lower budget horror movie.

It's he's co writing the screenplay and then like all of his imagery, HiT's gonna fit because it's his story.

It's exactly what he wants to do and it's all just gonna you know, mesh really well here.

So yeah, I loved all that stuff in this movie.

And I just thought about a lot with The Gift where the Gift was like, sometimes it would the Gift, it would play it it's Cheesy's a funny word to use with with Rami, because we've talked about he's purposely cornball, he's purposely theatrical.

But in The Gift, there are moments where it does play cheesy because I think it's totally at odds with the story.

We're here.

It's like, oh no, of course that's dragged me to hell.

It's right there in the title.

They're going big, And a really great narrative choice that they made writing the script and doing the movie is giving her a support system.

Now obviously she goes through it.

Even before she's dragged a hell, you know, she's has to deal with hallucinations and you know, violent dreams and imagery and being attacked in her dreams and then being hurled around the room in a very raymiesque Bruce Campbell way, Like not since Bruce Campbell has people have people been thrown into cabinets and things like that and fucked around with like Christine here, and but then she still has a support system.

So we've got the psychic character who believes her and sees the curse.

We've got the brew had like, we've got the woman who maybe can solve this with the with the the seance.

At the end, we've got a boyfriend who doesn't leave her side.

You know, We've got all these people that believe her, and we get an escalation of like solutions.

Well, maybe this will work, maybe this will work.

So you do feel like it's going to work out for her in the end, like, because how can you fail when everyone you know, her boyfriend's skeptic at first, but he's still there for her, he doesn't leave her.

Like this is too much for me.

My mom says, I need to find better door slams right, yes, So how can somebody fail when the entire ensemble is on your side?

Almost?

Yeah, yeah, to the point that you know, Yeah, that guy she goes to, I'm I gonna say this actor's name, right, the leap Raua.

Yeah, I love his voice avatar trilogies and inceptions.

Brow but yeah, I love his speaking voice.

It's so comforting.

But yeah, to the foot he's helping her to the point that he's kind of like, you know, you could fuck someone else over, Like, you know, he's doing everything they can to try to help her through this, I.

Mean, but he's still is very like like reverent of that.

He's like understand, and he's like and I'm your accomplice, and he's even suggesting this.

And it's a funny thing because I was thinking of a little bit of Final Destination too, with the rules that sort of got revealed as the franchise went on, which is, at first she's like, what about this guy who seems like he's on death's door.

Well, it's not just killing a person like in Final Destination.

So that's the added layer here.

I would be.

Condemning this person to eternity of torment, Like even if they're near death, it doesn't mean that Like that would work for a Final Destination movie, Yes, wouldn't work for this, which is like, just because you're in hospice doesn't mean you deserve hellfire.

Right, even if you've lived a long, good life, should you now have eternity of suffering?

Yeah?

So yeah, I love that diner scene too, And then like her ultimately because we hate Stu through the whole movie, and you know, going to there's a little sin help going on in here where she's not like a front bey weirdo at work right, like a sort of an off putting employee, but she's still within the same raymie Hr nightmare of a job which wouldn't necessarily be able to exist in real life.

You know, Rami is very childlike when sometimes he's portraying adult institutions like the workplace, and that's just the way he is, either that's the way he thinks it is, or that's just the movies he was raised on and how he likes to portray it.

There's no world where David Pamer would say you're on the top of the list for a promotion like he wouldn't.

He wouldn't be saying it's between you two.

You know, like there's just certain logistics in the adult world where like, yeah, this is dialogue, you could not happen happen at a real job.

You also would not be able to walk into work the next day after spraying him in the face with.

What although that was amazing at a grand beloved character, actor, David Pamer, you're in a Sam Raimi movie.

Here's what's gonna happen.

But it is funny to read, how like you know again and by the way, you know, of course there's the whole thing of what Once the movie's out there, it's open to interpretation and things can have meaning that you know, was not intended by the author and can still be interesting on that level.

But it is funny that because when this movie came out, you know, people were asking about like, oh, is this you know, relevant to the subprime mortgage crisis and the recession.

Oh, and then there was another thing about it.

It was all about eating disorders or something.

Yeah, And that's it's funny because this is like.

But but Raby's response being like, no, it's about it someone who makes a bad joy.

No, no, because so I guess my point is like going back fifteen years to Hot Takes of twenty ten or whatnot, which is like, oh, the infancy of Hot Takes, which is like, you can extrapolate what you want to from a movie if you like, but don't say this is what the movie's about.

Like I could tell you right now that Sam Raimi did not mean this movie to be a movie about eating.

Just that's something you know, what I mean, like you can take it as you can take whatever nutrients you want and need for your own person from a movie, but like that is not Sam Raimi's bag, And like you could just like have stopped somebody writing the first paragraph and just written a giant word no, like this is not this is not true like what you're talking about.

Neither is it about something as complex and uh socially oriented as the subprime mortgage crisis.

So right, And you know, I don't know if I love the background that she was, you know, heavier, that she's you know, gotten herself skinny, only because it feels a little extremious, but also it also makes me laugh that people are like, oh, is that why It's like there's all this vomiting, and it's like, no, it's because of Sam raby movie and he wants there to be.

A lot of No.

Does I mean that's one of the things that they point to for the eating to sort of thing.

Yeah, Now it could be a thing where it's like, yeah, maybe in if this was made today, she would not be heavier.

That's the thing.

She could easily more have been from a rural background and been a part of a pig competition, right like, and she's just tried very hard, Like the beginning of the movie, she's taking she's listening to like an elocution self help thing on a CD do and a drive to work to try to get rid of what we assume is her Midwest or some sort of farm accent, because she's trying to again, this is another quote unquote sin of like denying who you are or whatnot.

Do you think the movie do you think Justin Long's character, Professor Clay Dalton would have stuck by her side if at the dinner with her parents featuring Raymond player Chelsea Ross, she had vomited all over their faces.

That was a movie that was a moment that felt like it needed an explosion of glop and it didn't have it.

But also I realized he probably wouldn't have rushed to her side after words if she had somehow covered his parents in bile or something.

Yeah, yeah, I think it gets just gross enough.

And she she coughs out a fly and yeah, and there's gross stuff.

She sees an eyeball in her cake, and yeah, I think I think that that is that is a scene that goes just as far as it needs to be.

I was excited though to see Chelsea Ross now that we've done three movies in a row, especially because you thought Raybe dropped him.

You're like, oh, he's he's saying goodbye to his nineties players after.

That, because he wasn't in a single Spider Man.

He wasn't in a single Spider Man.

But he does.

But you know who was in a Spider Man and is in this movie.

Octavia Spencer.

That's right who She's part of our sequence in Spider Man because she signs him into the wrestling.

She has no she's an extra in this movie, which means she had dialogue cut.

She wouldn't have been a credited character.

He wouldn't have cast her.

She's one of the people working in the office with als A Loman.

So I'm sure there was stuff that was cut of, like the people at the other cubicles.

But it is funny that, like a couple of years before, of the help will kind of break her out.

She is.

She is an extra in the final cut of this movie.

I really like the dinner with the parents scene in this movie because in a movie filled with like, oh my god, she's at home and she's about to get fucking like jacked by this phantom.

Right, that scene is more hence than her just being home alone, because again it is layered with I have to make a good impression.

These are really these are snotty asshole people that but also we want her to do well, you know, we want her to succeed at whatever she wants to, but whatever charade she's putting on so that she can impress these dickheads, you know.

And I like how it's working and that like in a very usually movie villain way, which is like you've got spunk.

I like that.

You know, man, movie villains love it when like a hero has like fire in their belly or something.

You know, They're like like you've got you've got passion.

They love that.

They also love saying you and me were not that much alike or that were not that much different.

So here for her to impress the mom by being honest.

You know, that was something that we're like, Okay, well, you can envision a world where previous girlfriends just kept playing the game and didn't drop the facade, and that that was what the mom was looking for a little genuineness.

Yes, yeah, no, I like I like that scene I actually like the betral of parage because it doesn't go as yeah, cartoonish awful people as you might expect.

In fact, the dad seems pretty open to her, and the mom's the one who clearly has, you know, kind of looking to be judgmental, but then yes, that she went for over by movie.

Dads are usually cooler in these situations.

They're usually like, oh, you know her and her rules.

Uh uh, Molly Cheek is the mom.

Ma Cheek is best known in pop culture, uh for having a son who focks a pie in the American Pie series.

But here she is.

I like you.

I like your alternate summary for American Pie.

It's a boat mom.

This sun title I think that was the title in one of the countries translated to the Pie.

Yes, but here she's She's brought a cake with weird, creepy eyeball and bugs in it.

So big goods and Molly Cheek hand in hand.

That's all I'm saying.

Cinema, cinema, it delivers.

Uh.

Yeah, I mean, we don't know what the dad did with the cake after they left.

D what Clay did.

I'm trying to be laid by James.

I don't know if I'm setting it up.

Oh I was like, I was like, there's a song from American Pie, but that is not it.

That's opening.

Okay, I just know the chorus.

Okay.

This is as we talked about remi U has his alternating composers.

This is a Christopher Young again, like the Gift, very fun score, not shockingly sometimes reminiscent of his score for Hell Razor because he's dealing with the devil.

So it's got the sort of operatic feel.

There's a couple of notes that are kind of like like Danny Elfin when he's asked to do another superhero thing, where it's like, oh, yes, this is Christopher Young's you fuck with the Devil music.

But it works very well.

All uh, what if one of the shadows, because you see the goat man, the lamia in the in the shadows, what if one of them was just a quick shot of pinheads.

So well, I would have loved him, you would have.

Let's see yeah again.

A lot of hyperviolence, a lot of like really fun like jump scares, a lot of playing around with what arguably is the most scariest thing in any horror movie, an old woman, which is like, you know, the tropes of horror are wolf man, bloodsucker, leech, monster, and old woman.

If we're like talking about witches, is you know, nothing as grotesque as a hag.

So you know, just from a societal standpoint, the the invisible older women who have no longer have value to society.

And yeah, but she is comes with man goo at the ready because she's coughing up shit.

She's taken at her teeth and it's.

So it's like she takes her teeth.

But again it's like everything's gloppy everything.

And everything comes with the what now.

The close captioning on Stranger Things has popularized squelching.

Everything comes with like the sound effects of like the gooeyest, nastiest shit.

And it's funny when she attacks her in the garage.

She's taken she's supposed to take home, like the McPherson file to work on it or some shit, but somehow she's it looks like she was fired because she's Christiane's taking home her desk shit, And I'm like, why is she fired?

And then I'm like, oh, so she can hit the old woman in the head with a STAPLERU over again.

Man, I wish I could remember what your alternate title for dark Man was about the report, because now I want it to be that's that was the central thing here.

Something It was like the Levetico Manifesto, something ridiculous, and it's like a piece of paper that just says I'm a criminal on it.

I did bad things.

Oh, by the way, no one cares.

But I'm gonna correct myself that even if even if Spider Man three hadn't happened, this wouldn't have been Ready's first script since dark Man, because he co wrote Army of Darkness and Hudsucker Broxy.

But still it had been a minute man.

You can't search dark Man document because it uh, it just gives you the screenplay a dark Man anyway, you know.

But yeah, yeah, Drag Me to hellis is such a fun thing, and you know, man made even more sinister by the you know it's cg I but the tortured demon or like face, the hell face that she has right as she's being dragged into the dirt.

Yeah, you know, like that they give Alice Christine's character, whereas like it, she for briefly you see her as like what she'll look like as a tormented, tortured soul.

Uh and you're like, oh man, and then like just you know, just so long having to witness that.

Is he cursed now or is that still her button?

What do we think?

Oh?

I think I think he's not cursed.

Although it's funny to see that.

I was at a Q and A just the other night where sam Me was asked about a sequel to Civie.

It comes up every few years, and that if you you know, you could you know, you know, there are the two raps to a sequel to a movie like this is just someone else gets a similar curse, or you pick up with Justin Long, who's been obsessingly, obsceptively like looking into everything about this what you want to do with it.

But I do not think he's cursed at the end of this movie.

Now, I think he I think I agree, And I also think that like his curse is that he saw that and now his entire worldview is shattered and he can probably no longer go on being a professor of psychology or whatever he was with at least with the same you know views on like that God in the supernatural don't exist, which he was, you know, having a little back and forth with the psychic in this movie.

I like and I like that.

I like that little debate they had.

Like so he saw a woman he loved taking away again again.

This has changed, fundamentally changed him.

If I ever do a sequel with Justin Long, he is now in the supernatural expert position right like I used to be this in academia and I have turned into demon hunter or whatnot, or like somebody who specializes in getting people out of curses, like that's his thing.

I think that would be a cool movie and he'd be down for it, I bet, I think, especially if he put his wife Kate Bosworth in it.

They did a movie did you see?

By the way, the answer we're looking for is the Belisarius Memorandum.

Thank you?

Why could Christine not be taking on the Bilisarius Memoranda?

They did a movie together, a horror movie called Coyotes or something.

What was that?

Did you see this movie?

No?

I saw when they did a horror movie called Weapons together, but I did not see.

Uh, I didn't see k wait Kate Bosworth?

Wasn't she Barntay husband and wife in that movie?

Like?

Oh was she the wife?

Yeah?

Yeah, that's awesome.

Yeah, I love that I didn't write that for those.

They're my new favorite couple.

Yeah.

I didn't know any of this until when I went to see I saw Barbarian at a Beyond Fest screening and they were sitting behind me, and I didn't know why Kate Bosworth was even there because I didn't have any of this background, and then saw her.

I think her name's in the credit, you know, because she's she's one of the voices on the phone, like I think with Justin Long's character.

And then found found out all the lore, found out all the Bosworths.

I don't even see her in the credit anyway, it could be in credit.

So but yeah, they did a movie called Coyotes that premiered at Fantastic Fest, and I guess got theandra release though you could have folded me.

Oh, the best named man in Hollywood, Norbert Leo Buttz is in that movie.

Oh you know, I'm sorry, I'm totally wrong.

It's someone who is a very similar type that she's and it's funny.

She's Zach Cregor's wife.

Sarah Paxton is Justin LNG's wife when they go to that couple and weapons.

That's right because Sarah Paxton and Kate Bosworth were both at that Barbarian screening, and then I did google and find out they were married to Gregor and Long and I think they're both voices on the phone in Barbarian.

So there I go.

We solved it.

Just sitting here.

Again, I think this movie because it had been so long since there's been a raimy movie of this type, and none of them, even Army of Darkness the one universal release, which wasn't a big hit like none of them, it had this sort of mainstream exposure, So I think, yeah, people had a lot of fun if they were willing to go with it, with you know, the craziness of the blood and the puking and the splattering, but also the fact that it's you know, Raymie's sort of the way he operates when she attacks him in the when she attacks her in the car, which is a great scene.

I again remembering audience responses, there was a oh when you see her silhouette in the backseat, But the fact that it gets so physical that it literally is like punching each other.

She drags her out of the car and like she smashes it with.

A black and yeah, and I think that has gotta be for people.

I mean, we still love it doesn't matter that we've seen it before, but for people watching this movie in two thousand and nine to see little Alice and Lohman attacked by this horrific woman but then that she's just gonna fucking punch on her is great.

Like it's like because it also feels oddly kind of like the most realistic thing of all, but it's also done for comic effect.

And nobody wants to watch a knockdown, drag out fistfight with an old person.

They're gonna get their stuff on you.

And this woman has the most stuff.

She has so much stuff?

Uh to share with Christine?

Yes, Oh, I have to mention, I'm so mad we have we've gotten this far.

This is our last of this Raimie run.

And we've never mentioned I for they remember at the end of the Gift, I said I had a couple of things to say and then.

I can't go ahead.

We we just never mentioned to acknowledge the the Delta eighty eight aka the Classic the the car that is Ash's car in The Evil Dead appears.

Yeah, and everything Ramy's ever done.

And it's funny because off the car itself can be a cameo car, which it is in uh dark Man, because it's on like the highway when he's like.

Hanging in the multiverse madness.

It's floating a multiverse of madness.

And in simple plan, it's just like on the Frozen Streets.

But in the Gift, it's fucking Kate Blanche's car.

Like it's the first time since Evil Dead.

That's just the main characters driving this cars.

It'll be Uncle Ben's car and the Spider Man trilogy.

But I got this car from my good friend Ashley, right.

I wish she said that, but it's it's the old woman's car in this movie, so it's it's pretty damn featured once again.

Uh.

He went big with the car a couple of times, and this is when of them.

It's by the way.

It's apparently and quick and the dead like hidden undershit, but no one's exactly sure where it is exactly What was it?

You said, A couple of things?

There another thing?

Oh no, no, I remember whatever.

I just remember.

I said there were two things at the end, and I did remember one of them, and this was the one I didn't remember.

Okay, so I can't.

Remember the thing I did remember I moved on to.

Yeah, I think that's kind of it for the movie.

I mean, we won't going to all the set pieces, but yeah, very fun, very violent.

Well multiple mouths on faces.

Multiple mouths on faces, but also rulers in mouse fists in mouths, just you know, just just so much like again, although maybe the grossest on a visceral level is yeah, gum on mouth, like the gums r gums on it.

It just goes into all of our like oogie fears about like oh I know something, I want to bring up our fears about nursing homes and like drool and pudding, which is why we just associate with like movies and like old people in sort of catatonia and like slopping.

It's almost like one of the most disgusting moments in Dead Alive, isn't when is the just the fun not even just like the blood and the ear and the pudding and stuff, but like the pudding itself, just like eating of pudding.

It's like the shrimp scene.

I'm gonna say the substance that is quite the shrimp, which is like in a movie filled with insane imagery in.

A world filled with substances.

I don't want to watch that is quite eat shrimp.

Yeah that that is like the one that's just like so nauseating.

It's fun.

I saw my notes.

I said his mom sucks.

But then I turned around on her because, like we said, that scene goes a little different than you.

Yeah.

Fact, But I just want to bring up, because I brought up nursing homes that when she's like, don't you have a granddaughter you could live with?

And so here's the thing you feel for the old woman.

She's getting her home foreclosed on.

She was given to extensions at that point.

You know, from a cold bureaucratic standpoint, you're kind of like even her boyfriend Clay was like, yeah, you know, he did what you could.

The thing here is that she just could have given her another extension.

But she's also saying, you could live with your granddaughter, and that is an option.

But she was like I couldn't impose on her like that.

I'm like, well, maybe you could if you were homeless.

I'm not trying to be like a dickhead here, but I'm like, yeah, there were solutions, But my favorite solution was when Christine's like, what about a nursing home.

And in my head, I'm like, you mean the most expensive place to live in America, Like the thing that costs like four thousand to five thousand dollars a month.

This is your what you're recommending to the woman who can't afford her home?

Uh, very silly.

Anyway, a couple other things.

Uh oh, yeah, we talked she kills a cat, she kills a little and yes it's a talking about it.

Well, I'm just gonna say, why is it that, Like, you know, why can't Trish watch this movie?

Why can't It's not like anyone is getting on Not many people are gonna love that that happens.

But I will say that, you know, they don't.

They don't dwell on it.

They don't like show a horrific killing you the cat.

But even there, there's a dark sense of humor at work.

There is literally she has the hang in there poster baby hanging there with the kitten hanging behind her.

Uh So it's all just like part of the grim dark joke of this movie, and I think it makes it a little more acceptable and then also.

Does get her to a somewhat believable place, even because it's off screen.

And we if it was just her being tormented by winds and shadows.

But they do the thing where they pick her up by the ankle and like twirler around the room, and it's sort of like, all right, yeah, I still say get a squirrel.

Yeah, try to find a squirrel.

And then also the movie sort of escalates its evil deadisms, which all culminates in that seance scene where it's like very very evil.

But the part before that that really starts to lean into it is of the many different parts where she's like sort of attacked and our things are there or they're not there, is when she's attacked by the old woman.

She sees her and kind of like that shed already kind of very evil dead.

And that's the scene where she gets the hand in the mouth.

And then like then again the the sam reim the literal cartoonishness of like it's like an anvil or there's a hanging anvil right falls on her, but her eyeball pops out, classic evil both eyeballs.

Even though yes, don't love that, there's some very obvious CG stuff here, but I accept it, especially I think in the context of the movie because also during that final seance.

The guy who gets possessed has a lot of obvious CG stuff with like the the red coming out of his mouth and stuff.

It is interesting to kind of throw it at the end.

One reason you can if you want to graft onto a dead eyed mythology, but you can throw off onto anything you want.

Just this thing of that the lamia, which is like what they refer to as I guess they're sort of devil here or whatever, but when they're like, it's not the lamia, it's the soul of some unsettled soul from years ago, and this quick little moment.

But I do think it's fun and creepy of a bunch of other ghosts of like old dead people that kind of just just.

Yeah, the unsettled, lingering spirits that are in old timey garb.

Yeah, it is cool.

And then let's see I'll mention Scott Spiegel has a cameo here.

He had a cameo and a couple of people dead movings.

I think we have recently rested in but just in case we didn't, co writer or Evil Dead two who sadly passed away last year, so I just want to give him a shout out, and I like that when she imagines that the old woman is in front of them the car when she's driving with Justin Long and then it turns out to be like a real old man.

But I do like it's a real old man who still yells you will burn in hell.

And is that because he's like manifesting the old woman or is it just because he's a crazy.

Really no, I think it's just a crazy person, but it's also thematically relevant.

It's he's very much also like what if you accidentally almost hit the Harbinger from the Horror movies and the Friday of the Thirteenth movies, which is like the crazy old person at the gas station who says, don't go down into the woods because they're huge into biblical revelations and stuff.

So yeah, like you he says that to everyone, like when is sandwich was like not cooked well enough at the restaurants like you will burn in hell?

R right?

And then yeah, Also, woman's really good in this movie.

I really love the when she's again it's it's it's farcical almost, and that's what's funny about it.

When she uses she says had a cat in past tense and justin Lan's like, we do you have a cat?

And they ever had this expression that's so like do I like, it's a very funny.

It's funny because there's an easy cover for that where she's like, oh, you're right, yes I have yeah, and she's like, I don't know what cats too?

Right, Very funny, and I love the that final sequence what we mentioned where she quote unquote fights the corpse of the old woman and whether or not you want to believe the corpse is actually animated or just just bobbing around.

But it's a great grandiose sequence of this culture geist too, with the flooding graves, right, and what a great visual with like the apps again it's it's Ramy.

So the excess of mud and water and a grave that looks bigger than life, you know, fell pouring onto her as this cat is biting my hand because I was talking about the cat in the movie.

Yeah, I love that visuals of that sequence.

It's it's really cool.

Yes, Drake Me to Hell one of Ramy's funnest best movies, and I dig it, dig it.

I wish I hadn't waited so long to see it again.

It's funny because we're recording this so literally a week before this episode comes out, and part of me was like, I kind of wanted to hold off because Alamo's showing this movie and oh I would love to have gone back and seen it on a big screen after not seeing it for so long.

But also we have a lot of things to record coming up, and I was like, ah, I don't want to like make things too complicated and narrow our window down by too much.

So it's easy business on HBO Max.

So I just watched it not to rub it.

But it was funny because I had a similar thought, knowing that my four K of a simple plan was on the way.

But if I was going if we were in to record on time, I'll just watch my old digital copy.

But it arrived early and it writes earlier than they said it was, so I was able to watch it.

Everything's coming up, Hell, talk about what we're doing next, Eric, Let's talk about the next run that we're doing, which is something we've talked about and something that who knows if we'll ever get to all of these movies, and if we do, it'll have to be in chunks, because that's just the way this franchise work, yes, but we are doing the James Bond movies of Sean Connery, including George Lasmbee's On Our Majesty's Secret Service.

So this is a seven movie run that we're starting.

So Doctor No will be the first movie, and we'll talk all about James Bond, the phenomenon of that and how it turned Sean Connery eventually into the highest paid movie star of all time when he returned for the seventh Bond movie, and the phenomenon of just the spy genre of the sixties that James Bond like sort of caught basically made catch fire.

And yeah, Doctor No is coming up.

And I am a amateur bondhead.

I love the Bond movies.

I put them on in the background all the time, especially when Pluto TV just had a channel for the past two months.

It's not there anymore because they're all on Netflix right now, but it was just something I would have on twenty four hours a day.

So love them a lot.

And we'll talk about my fandom and then get into what Eric's fandom might be with the Bond movies.

What if he's a bigger bondhand than I am.

It's possible because I don't know, but yeah, Doctor No Is up next, and Netflix that's where you can go for all these Bond movies.

Yeah, at the moment, it might be a pretty brief time, so don't hold this to that.

If you're listening to this in two months.

Gus, we're not exactly sure.

Hell yeah, I mean we will be doing this for quite a while because you see the movie, So I hope you're on board for this run.

And uh, until next time.

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