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Okay, that's it.

I mean, I have a lot of thoughts about this movie, but I feel like it'd be weird to just like jump into it.

Well here, I'll say this.

I thought you were gonna sing like I'm just a kid or some simple plans from like twenty.

Years ago on this run.

And I mean, there's no reason at this point since we would have said it at the end of this episode.

So the next movie we're doing, it's the Gift because we're skipping for the love of the game.

Sorry for all that.

For the love of the game heads.

But I will say I'm kind of the most excited about these two movies because these are the two I haven't seen in over twenty years, versus everything else we're doing on this run.

I've watched in the past five years.

But these two and this one especially was interesting because I remember I loved it.

I remember the lead actors, I remember snow.

But when I sat down to watch and then a crime, something goes wrong.

It's a simple plan, but I didn't remember any of the specifics Matt.

So it was very fun is a funny word to use with this movie.

But it was totally intriguing to watch sit down not remember any of the plot deals although what would happen?

And I think this happened to us all a lot is I remember the moment before it happened, like the lead up.

I'd be like, oh, this is when this is about to happen, you know.

But but it was really cool because all I remembered was it was great.

But yeah, I did.

I didn't remember the specific as, don't even remember how dark it ends, so that got to be again, Oh you.

Didn't see Yeah, not only did I remember that and a lot of that stuff.

Stuff stuck with me.

But I have watched it since then.

I owned it on DVD or I still do somewhere.

Well, you know what's funny for me is I now own the new Arrow.

Well, it did not know it came on twenty four, but I had the Arrow four K because in the lead up to us doing this, it was part of Arrow's the fifty percent off sale on all Arrow four k's on Barnes and Noble.

So I was like, I want, I used to have a simple plan on TVD, but I haven't known it anymore, so I'm gonna get the New four K.

Yeah.

I think I had a clear memory of this movie than you, But let's give it some context as we start talking about the movie, which is like, yeah, we're stepping into Ramy territory where he's full sort of like dialed back his raiminess.

He could also argue that Danny Elfman is dialing back his Danny Elfman is.

Very unusual school, I mean very yeah, traditional score I should say for for Danny Elfman, yes.

Okay, And then we could also say that this is, uh, you know the movie where Danny Eeffann finally met Bridget Fonda after just missing her with Dark Man when she auditioned to play Julie and just missed her.

An army of Darkness when she was in the movie at the end.

Uh, But yeah, this is where she was in the.

Movie at the beginning, because she was Linda in the Retelling of Evil Dead.

That's right.

She wasn't the she wasn't the woman at the end.

A different a different uh manic pixie girl haircut at the end.

And yeah, Danny Elfman didn't do the full score in Army Darkness, but he is just.

A little bit yea.

And yeah, so this is when they met fell Love.

I think I guess she kind of stopped acting kind of almost like three years later after this, she was kind of retired.

This movie sort of A lot of things led to this movie.

It's based on a book based was it Scott Smith, but he wrote the screenplay adapting his own book.

He also wrote The Ruins, which got turned into a movie.

He also wrote some other screenplays.

This was like part of the big noir crime thriller revival of the nineties that Tarantino sort of helped usher in though this is not a Tarantino style movie, but Fargo two years before this also helped sort of keep this boom going, even though that movie is not like this movie except for the Snow.

Yes, though I felt a direct I felt the direct lineage as far as why does this movie get greenlit?

Is Fargo?

Yeah?

Well, and also the same year as Fargo Sling Blade, which will bring us to Billy Bob Thornton, which is very Southern Gothic, but not like Fargo crime at all.

It's more Flannery O'Connor sort of haunting, Southern culture fear type movie that I guess will also try to recapture with The Gift, and we'll get to that, which I've never seen, so we'll see, well, you've never seen the Gift.

No, I've never seen the Gift, so I had only heard not great things about it.

But yeah, okay, interesting, but yeah, so there's there's this whole element.

And then there were the other crime movies by the Carl Franklins, by the John Dolls at like Last Deduction.

And then we already mentioned last week we were leading up to this movie talking about One False Move, which Billy Bob Thornton wrote.

He wrote the screenplay to that movie, did not direct it, but Bill Paxton was also in it, so they'd worked together before.

And Billy Bob Thornton really left on to the screen with or left onto the scene with sling Blade like and still his most mannered caricature right like that.

He's never revisited the type of character actor he was when he played Carl Chulders in sling Blade, but this movie he got an Academy Award nomination for.

That was the big standout aside from just there was a great, you know, thrilling movie, is that his performance as Jacob like really stood out as this really tragic, sad character with a heartbreaking ending.

And I think it was probably the scene in the car that really sealed the nomination for him, when he's like talking about how he's never kissed a girl and like he wouldn't even care if someone was with him for the money.

He just wants happiness, you know, really sad, sad story.

But yeah, he was so excellent in this, and I think Bill Paxton, who's always great, he gets the less fashy role here as opposed to like Billy about Thorny and even Lou character actor who we've seen in a Bunch of Things played by Brent Briscoe as the more colorful idiots in this movie.

And Bill Paxton sort of has to like keep on keeping on when everything goes away constantly, but also a great performance because it's the one that's easily overshadowed, kind of like Tom Cruise and rain Man, when everyone was like, oh, look what Dustin Hoffman's doing, right, we kind of forget, like, hey, Tom Cruise has the much harder role here.

M hm.

And it's also this brief window in the late nineties where Bill Paxson is being the top build actor.

It's funny because he's the top build in Twister and Mighty Joe Young, and you know, there's just this small little window because he's obviously a great character actor, usually casting great supporting roles, but he had this kind of brief window in the lake.

You know, everyone, so a great character actor will occasionally someone will try to make it go of making him a leading man action star, and they did it with him and it didn't quite pan out.

But yeah, I mean Twister was a bona fide hits.

Oh no, no, it was definitely a hit.

Yeah.

I was surprised to see that this movie was a total financial bomb in the theaters because I remembered it was acclaimed and then yeah, I got two Oscar nominations for screenplay and for Thornton.

But yeah, made just under its budget, definitely didn't make any money in the theater.

So I wonder why this one.

Maybe because it's oblique, you know, it's it's really possibly.

I'm trying to remember because I mentioned last week we saw the set of test screening, and I'm trying to remember, and I don't have the memory for these types of things like you do, though you seem to have forgotten this whole movie.

But I feel like when we saw this movie, they didn't have those voiceovers at the beginning and the end, and they added them.

They're so non prevalent and unimportant.

I mean, it's in my notes.

This must have been added, because when when a vo only is at the beginning and end like that?

Not not one hundred percent, but it felt like this had to have been a contextual thing.

A we want this to sort of land in a slightly different way, so we're gonna have past and do some vio at the well.

They missed the opportunity to completely read it.

We edit the movie and give it like an in media res where he's suffocating the farmer and it's like record scratch.

It's like Yep, that's me.

I thought it should have.

I thought you were gonna say that the vo at the end to be like but then but a few months later I'd fight it up.

They're played that's a different story.

He's like, that was a simpler.

And that's why we're living in bwie and you just hear like tropicaldys ah man.

So the other thing is is that this is sort of the you know these movies, there were some really good ones that came out of this decade.

This is one of them.

And we would lead into this as we talk about mid budget movies headed toward TV.

This would lead into like maybe the Sopranos, but really this would lead into breaking Bad, and this would lead into God, the guy I'm watching is terrible and he's committing horrible things, but like, the story is giving me a reason to still root for him and want them to get out of these situations right right.

And a big part of that is because so much of us have money anxiety, and we want the person to get away, like, yeah, we want him to have his share of this four million dollars, and we're so invested in that that we start shirking, like just like the character of the movie.

You were like, just kill him and then you're home free, you know, like and like he's committing these horrible that you know, it was a terrible plan to begin with because he was saddled with two absolute idiots.

I thought it was a simple It was a simple, but also terrible because he's he's trying to hatch this scheme with the biggest clowns in the entire state, and so terrible.

And then so I'll also mention here that Bridget Fonda's character Sarah gets a much better role than you would expect in this movie because she gets to play the character everyone wished Skyler White was on Breaking Bad, which was like the one the Lady Macbeth.

But they wanted her to be the one who was actually more scheming and more diabolical and more invested than the morally conflicted husband.

Right, And so when Skyler White wasn't that and was actively like trying to stop the premise of the show, which is another character thing that people hate, regardless of it's a wife or a woman or not.

Yeah, it's the scene when she's like literally holding her newborn baby and trying to think of fucking ways to like frame Lou, you know, like she's not focusing on her baby, like like she's this is this miracle of life has just happened, and she's gone through all this pain and agony to push this life into the world, and this is what she's focused on.

And it's really intriguing and even she gets her moment like when she's talking about like I don't want to like just scrape by and clip coupons and like this be my life and you know, this sucky town and this sucky library.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's a really fun turn for her too, as playing against what, again, we would expect from what is normally a wife role in these types of movies, right.

Oh, no, No, it's a fascinating role because yeah, obviously it's like the fact that, yeah, this unlocks something in her and that you know, her initial reaction being like, you know, well, I really like when Hank says to her, you know, well, if we keep it, we don't have to worry about money, and she's like, we don't have to worry about money already.

And obviously that by the time the speech you're talking about happens, now she's kind of like thought it through and you know, again it's all about justifying it to herself but being like, yeah, we're not worrying about money, but wouldn't it be great to like not even have to think about money?

But it's actively when she starts coming, she comes up with these plans and they go terribly, maybe through no fault of her own, or maybe because the planet itself was flawed to begin with.

But hey, go back and put five hundred grand in the plane.

Well maybe that is a good plan, but it sucks because he invites his brother along, right, maybe what you need to do.

She comes up with the idea to fucking frame Lou with the tape recorder.

Yes, like it's crazy, so it was really good.

By the way, you haven't seen sling Blade.

You should also check it out.

You should see that.

Although yeah, even again you could say, maybe it is all about the execution, because yeah, if he hadn't invited Jacob when he put the money back into plane, things probably would have been okay.

And also when he tapes Lou, my main thing is don't play the tape room right then, like you know.

No, no, okay, So I will say that said exploring our new format here as we are not going from the going through the movie from the opening credits to the end credits in the same way that we used to.

I have highlighted here as in my notes, every time there's a problem, so I have problem one, problem two, like every time something fucks up, and like why it happened, and I could say the problem zero, like just initial problem, honorable mention is working with fucking Jacob and Low in the first place.

He could have saved himself the entire movie and killed them on the spot and then.

Right and he.

Could have just killed them both, burned the money and left the plane and that's how the movie would have wound up anyway.

So but yeah, this is again this is a different turn for Sam Raimi, especially after his like I know you feel like there was more of a die off and quick in the Dead than I do.

But it does feel like very like going from that to this or love of the game, well that's next after but like he really is like, hey, maybe I can actually just be play the game, be in the system and be a director with a certain pinach, but not like the guy everyone turns to for cartoonist shit, you know.

Right right, And it's interesting because you know, he was hired for this pretty late.

Because there was there was so many Mike Nichols developed that there was going to be John Borman.

Ben Steeler was attached at one point.

But Gorman had hired Thornton and Paxton.

So it's like that got really far down the line to the to him.

I understand that.

Well.

He also wound up using all the locations scouted by Borman.

Yeah, so Quick in the Dead even I guess even that is this funny stepping Stone movie in multiple ways, which is one on the just the the raimianisms maybe being dialed back a little bit.

But then also, you know, Quick in the Dead he is a higher director and that Sharon Stones like, I want him to do this, but he certainly develops that movie way more than he does simple plan, Like you know, a simple plan.

It really sounds like you have to kind of.

He probably had to decide pretty quickly, you know, are you gonna do this because so much is already in place, Yeah, for this, for this movie, And I mean I'm glad he said yes.

And obviously the results turned out really great.

But I'm actually really curious about his I don't know anything necessarily about Raymi style as an actor's director, because this feels like maybe the first movie he would have had to have done that one.

Yeah, we talked about how Quick and the Dead.

He has that quote saying, this is where I had to learn because I had people like Sharon Stone and Gene Hackman who weren't going to put up with my just make this shot look cool.

So and that's probably again pretty valuable because now on this movie there is so little a couple, but there's so little like crazy camera things.

It's really all about the performances.

And that's the thing.

There's so many great scenes in this and I'm not talking about like the serehmonologue I just talked about, or the Billy Bob Thornton oscar one in the car, or the end scene where they have to like really like be such good performances that they convince you that Hank would kill his brother right like that, Like Billy Bob Thornton is so you know, just defeated and ready to just just does want to go on as it will never be happy.

So it's this whole thing.

Like the best scene in this movie is actually really complicated one, which is the framing Loo scene before the big gun shootout stuff.

But like the moment when it seems like Jacob is going to fuck the plan, when like he starts turning on Hank while they're all drinking together, yes and being like, well, he's more of a brother to me than you ever were, and it's like, oh god, Jacob, you're gonna fuck the plan.

But really almost like either did it accidentally or on purpose?

I mean, you can't really tell.

He turned the table so that lou would buy into the plan more.

Yeah, you don't know.

The question that said you're interesting is was that his plan from the moment he got mad at Hank or did he kind of circle back around?

Because we've seen that Jacob can be so kind of random in that way that maybe he ended up deciding in the moment, you know what, I'm going to go back to what we were going to do in the first.

He doesn't feel smart enough at all to do that, but like the scene makes it feel like he was in that moment that he was smart enough to like almost bust up the plan because he felt like if they had just brought up taping each other doing the confession right then, it wouldn't have worked.

Like, Lou's not ready yet, so I have to like take fucking Hank down a few pegs.

But that is the best scene in the movie.

That was great for me.

Anyway.

Problem one, they tell fucking Carl did you tell him about the plane?

So right out of the gate, when when the sheriff comes by, and Lou and Jacob, who had hung back, come up with this plan, we should just tell him about the plane because they're trying to play stupid inceel forty chess, which is like, well, if we tell about the plane, then we're not We'll never look guilty.

When they when they find the plane, they would never suspect anything because why would we have mentioned the plane.

Yeah, well they mentioned the plane because they're stupid.

That's the thing is, like they don't realize how stupid everyone knows they are and will perceive them to be.

So they're like, yeah, it would be totally within Jacob to rob a plane and then also mention it, you know, like that, no one's gonna be like, well, he's in the claar.

He mentioned the plane.

That is the in so many things Chelsea Ross as Carl the Sheriff, Yeah, a lot of things, Major league also Springs Town.

Well, the thing that you know, he's one of those people who's obviously a character actor that you're very familiar with.

But for me, when I look at this Creek because I'm like, oh, that's the guy from the Things, I was like, of course.

The thing that I've seen him in many, many times as far as repeat watching is he's Colonel Oates in Billton's Bogus Journey set up in the first film, but then we see him in the second movie, has the guy that Ted's father keeps threatening to send Ted to military school under Colonel Oates.

But great role for him here.

I mean, he's a major part of this.

I saw they interviewed him on the Aero four K and he's got Yeah, this is a huge role.

I mean, he's obviously a big part of the.

Apparently he's also in The Gift, which is interesting which I didn't also realize because I like paid no attention to the Gift my whole life that Billy Bob Thornton wrote that movie.

All right about that more.

I'm sure, I'm sure I knew it, but I forgot it.

There you go, we'll talk about it.

So there you go.

That's that's problem one right out of the gate, just stupid.

Problem two is a two parter.

One is that he's like, don't tell Nancy about the money.

And then the first thing Hank does is like try to talk around the fact that he has money with Sarah and then eventually just dumps the money out on the table and shows her.

And that's a big problem because she comes with this plan to go return some of it and the bit.

Then the problem two arrives tells Jacob like makes him go with him for some reason.

It's stupid.

She even says, you can't tell Jacob, and he does tell Jacob and it's like, come with me.

I got to put the pilot back where he was in the plane or something.

And that's when we get into full on first what seemed like accidental murder or crime of fashion murder into just full on Hank like the good guy quote unquote good guy here murdering, which turns the movie completely because he is the one who's putting up the most moral protest about everything and he's the one who like actually murders somebody.

Yeah, yeah, which is insane.

It's all good stuff, but it's all like yeah, and then they got a stage, an accident and all that bullshit.

So it's funny because I'm like, problem three murder, it is like a super big problem.

So it is a super big problem.

And yeah, it's just like I just like, yeah, this this escalation.

And then also obviously Hank you know, yeah who Yeah, turns ends up doing more and more awful things, and just his in the moment, he's he's oddly good.

I mean, I'm not saying like criticism of the movie, because it's kind of the twisted fun of the movie is that his his we have to figure out how to stage these things, like, okay, we we just did this murder, Now, how are we going to stage it to look like we were not murderers?

That he constantly does up to the final scene where he's gonna do it one more time and then Jacob decides that he's going to be part of this staging.

But yeah, that all works really well, and how he's sort of like talking it through and and and yeah, it's just it's funny that it's like they're these characters.

He's obviously he's he's the book learning guy, right, he was the college boy, and he is smart, but at the same time, he's making his own dumb decisions and fitting like we've said, yeah, like you know, bringing Jacob along again.

I know it's his brother and he loves him, but there are times where he should obviously not involve Jacob and things would be much simpler, no pun intended, but.

Well it's the problem of he's yeah, he's so smart, and if it was just up to him, they could have got away with it.

Aside from the fact that the bills wound up being marked.

That's the whole ending of the movie.

If they were, if they were at all.

By the way, okay, we'll skip right at the end.

She's I mean, I understand that he's just pissed and is wearing the money in like an emotional way because he had he fucking killed his own brother, but like they could have left the country.

It's you know, she's like, we can just get out of here.

She's not wrong at that point, and at that point he's just a probably just wants nothing to do with the money because it's been a curse from a character standpoint, But then also maybe he also don't want to want to flee because everyone will just even though they'll never see them again and they're back home, they'll know that he's guilty of something and like they probably killed his brother something like maybe he doesn't even want to be perceived as a bad person even though he's a super bad person.

Like right, right, But it's very fun, little twisted thing.

And I wonder if it was in the script or was something Mayby decided to do that.

The FBI agent who tells him the money is that we took we took note of all the serial numbers.

We got one in ten, right, right.

Bill, right, So right after saying some of the tells for people lying included putting their hand in front of his face, puts his hand in front of his face for a moment as he's telling him that, to give you this little thing of maybe he's lying because maybe he has an idea that there's more to this, which now he'll never get proof of because the money is burnt.

But it adds an extra because obviously if that money was not traceable, then there's this extra extra layer of like it you know it was not only was it all for nothing, but then he burnt it for nothing.

I feel like there's an alternate ending here of like he's burning the money and she's holding her baby and protesting and she kills him with a fire poker and maybe half the money got burned, but she gets away with her kid and the but and she moves away with the baby and two million dollars or something, and right.

Right, well there's that scene.

I do like, yeah, like obviously very lady macbeth character and very stady Elfman has himself.

It just takes a really surreal turn at the end, but uh yeah, obviously very lady Macbeth and that she's doing all these things behind the scenes and it's never like and I really like how it's done, because it's never like Hank mentions to lou or Jacob like she's the one who behind all this or other.

This is just for us the audience, right, But like there's that scene where he lets Jacob sleep in their baby's room and she's staring and it feels like she's gonna she's gonna suggest killing Jacob.

Now she never does, but you feel like she's a step away from.

Her because she knows what a liability is and she knows and will admit it it were Hank won't.

And even though like the Hank knows that Jacob wanting to buy the farm is a bad idea, but he's more of like, hey, you don't know how to run a farm.

This is a waste of money, and like, you know, Jacob will never be happy even if they wound up getting this money.

He was going to fuck them somehow.

She just sees it as if he stays here, the whole point was to get the money and everyone leaves town.

Yeah, but if he stays behind, they're caught.

She says that, like, and he's like, I know, I know, you know, because after he said I promised to buy the farm for help him buy the farm if he gets me to take Lou She's like, but if he stays we're done.

And so she knows that, like this is going to be their downfall, and she probably knew it from the moment he dumped that money on the table, so she's had to deal with him as a brother in law, like it's yeah.

So yeah, yeah, well obviously once just once she sees the money, once she starts thinking about keeping it, which means and again she's so quick to be like, hey let's put some money back and all these things.

Yeah, the fact that she's the only one really thinking three steps ahead.

Yes, she probably was constantly thinking about the fact that Jacob could fuck this up very easily, and it would all be easier if Jacob wasn't a part of it.

And problem four, this is fully on Jacob and why Jacob is a terrible person to do business with, is he tells Lou that fucking they killed the guy and that Hank killed him.

And the first well problem three point five, which was after they killed the guy, Jacob was so distraught he wants to come clean and just say I did it.

I did it, to the point where Hank had to tell him I wound up doing it, you know, like, hey, it was actually me.

So we'll both go to jail if you do this.

Then problem for Jacob offscreen tells Lou because Jacob's an idiot, and also doesn't see that Lou is an idiot.

That's the thing.

They don't see it within each other.

They don't see what fucking detrimental hound clowns that they are right, And it's all about people like refusing to see like what a liability another person is and and like so then that comes the blackmailing part, and that's when everything again tips on its head.

And in the midst of all this are these very sweet scenes like giving Buddy the bear to the newborn daughter, the discussing of like their actual upbringing it during a couple of scenes with their dad, who Jacob is sort of almost burdened with this knowledge that Hank either didn't know or deluded himself into not knowing that their father killed himself, and with hopes of like and there's a lot of sort of like the the disease of poverty in this movie something that Hell or high Water, a movie that everyone should watch because it's great talks about like the cycles and the disease of poverty as learn of an inherited thing.

Yeah, in the midst of all this sort of like Twisty Torny Turney Nor stuff are really good character stuff, which is why I think it's like such a great triumph for Sam Raimi as somebody to bring this to life, even though I didn't do that well because it is kind of a one eighty aside from the fact that it's death and guns and there's some bursts of violence, it's very unlike anything he'd done, so.

Oh absolutely, yeah, yeah, for sure.

Yeah, just it's it's I mean, even on like a technical level, I thought a lot.

I mean, it's got a you know, a very beautiful cinematography by Alara Kilvilo.

But you know, look, on one hand, it was like, isn't a cheat to film your movie in stark snow because it's so easy to have great looking shots.

But what really stood out to me on Ramy's level is a lot of static shots.

Again for someone who's always moving the camera like that's so much a big thing of his, but lots of times here he's just sitting it still, and whether it's the character sitting and talking or rather they're walking away from camera towards something, there's a lot more static shots here, but they work really well.

A really great which is the image of near the end when they go looking for the plane with Gary Cole and the shot of the four of them walking into the woods, you know, with their footsteps behind him.

Yeah, it looks, it looks really good, and it really is sort of a very cool to see Remy's you know, evolution here again as someone who's not like I feel like he's got to get away from that evil dead crap, but just show get we're not evolution, but showing that he can do different things, you know, to show that he doesn't have one bag of tricks and that he can go into different arenas here, which I think he does very worry well, more than I think a lot of us would have even expected that he could go to this sort of place.

Gary Cole not as celebrated as I feel like he should be, as so like he's just great here because he's such a presence and he only has a few lines.

But like, look, a few years before this, he was Mike Brady and these Brady Bunch movies, and then he then man, when was American Gothic?

So I looked all this up.

American Gothic was ninety five, same your first Brady Bunch movie a few months later, So huge night, big big.

Different, literally playing Satan as the sheriff of a town, right like it's it's he could be very menacing.

And then there's some people who are just gonna know him from office space, right, which is a silly role.

So uh, chameleon, asked Gary Cole.

Though never not like recognizable.

No One's like, no, who's that guy?

Like you know who he is?

Right?

So I sometimes chuckle randomly, God, what the hell is the name of the movie?

Now?

The the like we gotta get laid prom night movie, but it's the girls and John Cena is one of the parents.

It'sn't it Blockers?

Blockers?

Yes?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Scene you know, the scene when John Cena looks through a window sees Gary Cole having sex, so they make eye contact.

What right as Gary Cole comes.

I do remember liking that, maybe I probably need to revisit There's It's just that that moment.

It was so funny.

But yeah, Gary Cole is always great.

And American Gothic, which only lasted for one season but got a lot of buzz at the time.

I'm like, this is the new Twin Peaks.

But he got a lot of buzz, especially because it was a few months after Brady Bunch, so because he'd been so funny in that movie and then he gets to play some menacing.

But we shall also mentioned Sam Raimi was one of the producers on American Gothic, so there was oh okay, yes, he was.

One of the epis, and also Midnight Caller, which was a show I knew about growing up.

That was like the one of the ten PM primetime shows.

I think it was NBC that I never watched because it was on a ten pm, the LA low time slot.

That's when the grown up started watching TV.

But yeah, I just had to say by.

One more thing about American Gothic on our Gothic tangent is that Merton Gothic was the first prominent role for Lucas Black, who, before he became Matt's favorite character in the Fast and Furious franchise, had a very prominent role in sling Blade.

He was Frank.

He was young Frank, the kid that Carl befriends and sling Yes.

But I also think it's funny American Gothic.

How weird and confusing it is that the show one of the leads is Lucas Black and Gary Coles playing Ucas Buck.

So for a second, I was like, does Scary Cole play a character named Lucas Black?

Was almost almost?

It was very close.

Yeah.

So yeah, he's very good in this movie.

He's a small part of it, but he's also like again, I remember the trailer for this movie where he's just like we're looking for a plane, you know, like, yes, memorable and used to mean a lot more, But yeah.

They did, and well also just yeah, I think because it was like our main entry way, but also because I didn't remember the specifics.

That was so fun for me because again until they get well again, once they were out by the plane, it was all coming back to me.

But when she first thinks Gary Cole is this guy in the picture, it's really it's a good moment because it's like is she spiraling?

Like is she now?

They've gone so far right?

Right?

They've done so many bad things and now is it just like they're trapped and he's not.

He's going to be at an FBI agent and they're going to make things worse.

But I thinking he's not an FBI agent.

So the moment though, when he's waiting for the phone call at the police office at the precinct and then you know gets the call and like goes back and gets the gain, that felt the most breaking bad of the movie as far as like the suspense involved in like is she wrong?

Is she right?

She needs a you know, is he going to get the call?

Is he going to go out there not knowing anything?

Or is that better or is that worse?

Anyway, that was really tense and cool problem Number five is something that you brought up already, which is tell telling Lou in that moment, even if he was going to tell Lou eventually telling Lou right then that he taped him while he's drunk and violent, you know, like immediately saying, well, now I have you on tape.

And then that leads to everyone shooting each other in a moment where I very distinctly remember watching it at the test screaming.

When Bill Paxson shoots Nancy and she flies up unto the kitchen counter, I was like, there's the there.

There's there's two.

There's two moments, and that that's the bigger one.

There's two moments that I think have a little bit of Sam Raimi flair, and that's the big one.

That's the one that went especially because this movie is not about like bigger than life violence.

There are moments of violence, but they're not like portrayed bigger than life.

But the way that Becky and Baker a year before, she'll be the mom on Freaks and Geeks.

I think at this point she's best known as the mom on Freaksing Geeks and the mom on Girls.

But when she gets shot and flies into those kitchen cabinets that I do recall, Matt, I didn't recall it was a test screading, but I did recall our audience had a huge reaction.

But whoa, yeah, yeah.

And they all went ray me, ray.

Me, No, we all started a chanting, holy shit, holy shoot forever.

It's like how they talked about how they had to add, you know, thirty seconds after the bus hit and final destination, because the audience had two bigger reactions like the Becky and Baker shotgun blast thirty seconds.

Yes, just the pause for a react.

I'll say, by the way, the other moment, and again it's tiny, it's just uh in a movie that's so on, ray Me.

I looked for these these glimpses and the uh, the the slightly more more I shouldn't say, say this is the more subtle.

One is when the fox in the henhouse, which will you know, the sets into motion the whole movie by running in front of them.

When the fox runs in the headhouse, you do get a split second point of view shot of the fox of like the camera hurling towards the hens or just.

Like, I don't forget that the fox.

It was not only the catalyst for them finding the plane.

But also it was the reason the farmer came out looking for the fox who had been eating his chickens.

Right, so he was out there on his snowmobile because of that fox, and that's why he got Fox Satan.

And the fox should have made a like the Rule of three.

The fox should have come back in the third act and like stripped Gary Cole or.

Something or again set up setup that he's gonna do.

He's gonna fuck up someone else's life, like.

The yeah, the Fox of bad Luck.

Yeah.

So anyway, at this point, Lou's dead, his wife's dead.

But this is the point when because they'd killed one person, and Hank was like, here's the story, and now he's has to do it again, and Jacob is just numb.

He kill his best friend's dead, here's the story, here's what we got to do.

And so that's why, like by the third time he does that at the end when he kill the Sheriff's dead and then he kills Cole.

H he's like, this is what we got to tell people, and Jacob is done.

He's like, I can't have another story, like Hank, I can't memorize all this.

Please kill me, like yeah, and it's it's yeah, it's very obviously, it's heart wrenching and touching.

And I think it's a good story tracker because it's coming on the heels of yeah, when they kill, when Lou and his wife and Lou and Nancy are killed, and Jacob in that point he goes into the basement and he's obviously already just like he he's breaking under.

And now it's funny because like, okay, so you have the contrast to the brothers again, like wife, newborn baby, the house, like the quote unquote career or whatever.

He just says a job, but like Jacob has nothing, and he could make you can make an argument that like Lou was his only enjoyable aspect of his life, like he's his brother.

But they're so different, right, there's love, but it's not like the bond he had with Lou.

Now only they haven't Luke and piss in the snow together and write names.

By their mother's grave, Lou, Jesus Christ.

What's happening?

So he's like despondent, he's at the bar, like he's alone, and like we contrast that with you know, Hank, who still has his whole life and his family and everything.

And now Jacob is like down his family right, like he can go over and he can have dinner sometimes with them, but like this was the guy he saw every day.

Yeah, you know what I mean, Like this was the guy he And so it was almost like Sarah.

She didn't say this part of it, but it was almost like Sarah, she knows he he's gonna She even says he's gonna die here soon, like he you know, he's not going to last like without lou without anything.

And again you are right, which is like there's probably she's wanted to say we should kill Jacob from like so much so many parts of this movie we like need we need to get rid of him.

Yeah, And I think it's a strength of the movie that she does.

We don't need her to again, It's like, I think it's an interesting and a good choice that it never gets to that you just feel like, say, they've gotten away with that.

If Jacob hadn't said kill me, Yeah, they were probably very close to the like a day of time to kill Jacob moment, because Jacob probably still would have been having a lot of problems and she probably would have eventually hit that point, and I think what we see is enough to let us know that.

This movie is just really well done and I feel like all of its moments are earned, and it's it's a quote unquote comedy of errors in which, like I don't know, maybe people are watching it today with new eyes, new young gen z eyes will be just feel compelled to point out these characters are so stupid, you know, like why would the writer do this?

This is a stupid thing that everyone does.

And it's like like not understanding that a story can be told with like a be a parraid of foibles, you know what I mean, Like just actually be people doing the wrong thing and making the wrong choice, even if it's not what you would.

It's like different from a horror movie don't go in there right, like, which I think is used way too often to discredit horror movies, like why would they go down in the basement?

You know.

I think people have taken that now to actual regular movies in a very bad way.

This movie I think earns all of it, and it portrays simpletons but like with humanity and like with layers, and like they're not just idiots for the sake of being stupid, and I think it's really well done.

I like, again, like before Louie even gets killed, like the standoff and the shouting and the confrontation that they have, like is all really believable, and there's stage play elements to it, right that feel.

I just think everything feels really well earned in this movie, and that's why it works so well.

And it is like, you know, Midwest Gothic tragedy.

Yeah, no, for sure, because yeah you get these layers and even obviously like lou is not part of the central family unit, nor is even the poster, but he's a big part of the story too.

And while he is easy to be pissed at, and you know, his attitude sucks, you know, his desperation, the fact that it's like he wants the money because he is in such financial dire straits, you understand that again, he is also an idiot, and that's the problem is like he's not gonna logically think this through.

He's gonna start asking for the money because he sees it as his obvious like lifeline here.

But yeah, you just can really sort of buy into this, and it's very true that, yeah, a lot of this could there could be a stage play version of this.

I also want to mention that Brent Risco another Hey, it's that guy who, yes, was on several episodes of Parks of Wreck.

But I was definitely thinking even though I couldn't quite place him because he's you know, a few decades older and greyer.

Uh, but I was like, oh, yeah, I just watched him when I did the marathon of Twin Peaks the Return.

He's very prominent as one of the cops in the Matthew Lillard storyline in Twin Peaks the Return.

I need to rewatch all that.

Yeah, he never got to be like he has a lot of credits to his name, but he never got to be like on a show.

His Parks and Rex stuff was recurring, but he was never like the cast member of a TV show.

Yeah.

I mean, but but again, Twin Peaks Return, being a show that was obviously uh, did a lot of surprises as far as what was prominent whatnot.

I was like, he's in a ton of episodes of that more than some of the main characters of the original series.

That was one of the funner elements of the Return, which is like, oh, we're following this person and not Bobby, you know, like right, okay, let's see.

Yes, And then oh, he was also on the Holland Drive, so he was He's a lynch player.

And he was in Spider Man too, so he is a garbage man.

Yeah, he was raimy and a lynch player.

Those are good players to be.

They are good players to be.

I will say that adding to the thrilling aspects of the third act also like not just finding the gun, but like taking a bunch of bullets with him that he has to like figure out the caliber, the right one that go in the slot of the revolver, you know, while he's in the plane trying to like load the gun.

Not a cool tense elements here, but yeah, then everything comes crashing down with the basically suicide by brother of Jacob and the reveal that may or the bills may or may not be traceable, and then they're just back to I don't know, they're back to nothing.

They just have you know what Sarah I mean, I'm sure she's also mourns that money because like she was counting on that money, but also she's like, well, at least Jacob's gone.

The deal with him, But for Hank, it's, uh, it's a brutal, fascinating ending because it's uh this sort of purgatory you know, it's not the you know, there's the there's the he gets they get away with it.

Like even say you include Jacob, because there's a totally different version of this movie where Jacob doesn't die and they can have a quote unquote happy ending.

But say there's the version of ending where he does kill Jacob and they get away with it.

So it's the you got away with it, you're rich now, but now you have to deal with the fact that that you know, you killed your brother.

And then there's the ending where he just gets caught and arrested.

And but I think this is almost its own more fascinating men.

There are ways to like to like parse this ending out in what would be like the most fitting horrible punishment, right, like as far as like a they still have to like clip coupons.

And also he killed his brother, yeah, and he gets to be in probably going forward a really complicated loveless marriage or something you know, no, no, yeah, And and poor their poor kid has to grow up with sort of this brutal, dysfunctional.

Household, right why no, So I think I understand.

Logically, I'm sure someone would say, well, it would be definitely worse if he went to prison, But I think on a on a fable, on a film cinematic level, this is a great ending, a great horrible ending for Hank as far as yeah, like what he went through to just to be back at square one, except he doesn't have his brother who loved him and he loved him, you know.

It's like it's like like he's he's back where he started, except for this huge loss for him personally again Sarah, not so much, but for him personally that that, you know, because he is the the guy who was like, yeah, the the smart guy who also tried to be the moral you know.

Again, when they first find the money, he's the one who says, we're going to take it to the cops, you know, but how quickly.

And it's great, you know the fact that he not only does lew and Jacob convince him, but then when he goes home after saying, don't tell Nancy, don't tell anyone, he can't help himself, right, It's like super instantly brings it up to Sarah Man.

At least Walter White kept things fucking a secret as long as he could.

These are.

So it's interesting the way the roundabout stuff happens, which is that John Dall, who I mentioned already, was announced as a director for this with Nicholas Cage.

So that was again one of the previous iterations of this movie that never happened.

But Mike Nichols, who was developing this movie, first dropped out to do All the Pretty Horses, but then Billy Bob Thornton wound up directing that movie.

And yeah, so you know, Billy Bob Thornton's interesting because he's only directed a few films.

Yeah, it's only like three, I think.

I don't know.

He never did.

He never did like I'm going to act, then direct, act then direct.

He was just very spare with his directing and writing.

He seemed to have stopped doing that after a while, unless unless he's able to, in a sort of Edward Norton way, take a rewrite on anything he's in.

But it doesn't feel like well, especially because you know he now he's done a lot of TV and I can't speak to Goliath, but you've got he's doing TV that's kind of autour driven TV, right because he did Fargo, which was obviously Noah Hawley, who has a very specific vision.

And now he's doing land Man, which is a Taylor Sheriff right who infamous.

And I know there was a co creator on land Man, because I know Sheridan is spread fit enough that he can't actually do.

Who was who is buying Goliath?

I don't remember who was?

Oh David E.

Kelly, OK, so that's that's.

The person too.

So it does seem like he's a person.

Yeah, he So.

He is working with very like notable series creators here.

He was not the friendliest customer at Warehouse.

I'll tell you that much matter.

Tell us more, tell us he's funny because you know John Ritter of the late great John ridd was in sling Blade, but he it's because Thornton worked with him for a three season on Hearts of Fire, the short lived Yeah, short lived, three seasons short lived, I guess h for CBS, it's short lived.

Yes, sling Blade was a fascinating movie because it was a calling card movie for an actor who was already had a decent career, like as far as like he was working, he'd already been in one false move with Bo Paxton, but sling Blade, no one really had noticed him in the way until he did gave himself sling Blade, and suddenly it's basically what.

Even though they didn't direct the movie, it's what Damon and Affleck did for themselves.

It's like, we're gonna write the parts for ourselves that I'll get us noticed.

So yeah, yeah, that'll elevate us in a.

Big way and get a I'm sure Thornton did he win Best Screenplay for sling Blade or did he just get nominated.

I'm sure he just got on.

I think that's the year.

It might have been the year that Usual Suspects won, But I could be wrong about that now.

Oh for so, because I would have been.

But also, screenplay is two categories, said the Oscar adapted and it was a different year.

It's ninety six, so uh no, I'm okay, I don't know what.

I don't know things.

Hey, Matt, uh press he won he won the Oscar for Best Adapted Screenplay.

Okay, so there you go.

It is it is David Affleck would do much the same original screenplay a couple of year to year after huge.

You know, I'm always going to bring up the very important questions.

So the end of this movie, I need to know did they taken mary Beth the dog she was there when Jacob's shot and killed?

Or Mary Beth?

I need to know did Hank.

They could sitting on the couch when he's I know.

I gotta believe she's there, you know what that that that uh fake FBI Ah he.

Was, He's he's out here killing dogs.

Yeah.

This movie, Yeah, this is a a dark, you know, uh gothicy, uh thriller, but it's not humorless.

The humor is just not like overt it's it's I mean it's it's it's even more subtle than again, the movie that I think got this greenlit, which is Fargo, because Fargo has more like you know, obviously Marge and has these moments that are and William H.

Macy that are a little more heightened.

But uh yeah, like it's very It's a really fun, super dark moment, I mean dark comedic moment right after he's had to kill Jacob and it's like reached this crescendo.

This is where you've ended up because you decided to keep this money with the sort of dark payoff of the FBI agents showing him their badges, uh, you know, which is just done silently, like we see him just sitting there and these two guys walk up and flash their badges.

I remember that.

I said, it's all coming back to me now that that got a big laugh from our savvy LA test reading crowd.

They really like that, and like, going back to what you were saying about, you know, yeah, when a movie can have these people that are doing terrible things and at the same time because you're they're the protagonists and you're connected to them, so you're like.

No, and we all want four million dollars.

That's like again like the drive of like somebody just trying to come out scott free with found money.

I will see this too.

And he was a piece of shit as well.

And Fargo H William H.

Macy's character obviously terrible.

The moment you know where that's absolutely solidified if it's not clear for people like is when he walks in on his son crying and doesn't almost doesn't realize why he's crying.

Oh, it's because I had his mom kidnapped.

And Mike is worried when I'm not worried because I know that I did this anyway, it's terrible, terrible, And there's a part of that where like you're so you know that he's in so he's in such hot water and in such debt when he's trying to like you know, you know, he's a ducking calls on like serial numbers on cars, and he's like trying to, Like you, you still get invested in him trying to get away with it, you know what I mean, like trying to when everyone's like when everything starts crumbling apart, when everything goes wrong, we're still like crazily invested in, like, oh my god, like this is how terrible for him, you know, like right that his full proof plan is going to ship?

Yeah, yeah, No, it's just just a clever thing you can do if you're you know, skilled writers and directors of yeah, just putting you in the putting you in the shoes of these characters.

So it's like I recommend Ripley if you didn't like, which I like the talented mister Ripley.

The movie as well, but the series Ripley as well is a lot of that.

It's a lot of that dextery, like oh, he's a bad person, but I don't want to see him get caught, you know, like.

Right right, because I'm like looking at my notes and it's funny because I literally have I literally wrote no in all cats exclamation point at least twice.

The two I see right here are did you tell him about the plane?

Was my first?

Yeah, yeah, oh god yeah.

And then the the old man farmer still being alive on the on the little snow.

It's like like, oh, no, now he's gonna have to kill him.

You better do that well, Bill Backson do it well.

And he had to do it so that it didn't look like someone hit him again, like you know what I mean, Like he had to do it in the worst way, which is like the slow smother yes.

Yes.

And then yeah, the which is also a great moment as far as like yeah, just the the Yeah, it's this horribly brutal thing because he has to like, yeah, kill him up close and personal, not make it look like blunt force trauma.

And then all the snow is falling on him, and uh that's the thing is like, by the way, I'm thinking of the snow, just because when Sarah's so worried about did you leave blood?

Did you leave all this again?

She's being a savvy criminal.

But the fact that yeah, things would some things would darkly turn out right for them sometimes, like the snowmobile thing worked.

It's just that like, yeah, they kept making it worse through Yeah, these these next level things that they would do that would then escalate it and make it make it worse or worse.

They could have gotten away with it for those crazy kids.

Yeah, I believe it was in the trailer, but it's a great moment, is obviously when Sarah says to him, nobody would ever believe that you were capable of doing what you've done, you know.

It's like, I mean, that's the thing.

She's not most of the time, even though it all leads to terrible things happening, She's saying smart things.

Like what she's saying like makes sense.

It's not like you think she's convincing him just because she's his wife.

She's making sense.

And she even is thinking, like saying the things that he's not even thinking about, like, which is like we need to be thinking ahead of everything, like everyone, And so that's the whole thing, which is like she realizes that like he's so abverse to lying in a certain way that she's just like if you just say I didn't do it, and he says I didn't do it, they're gonna believe you because of who you are, Like she realizes the reality of the situation.

Yeah, one hundred percent, And yeah she is.

And yeah, the great imagery like you mentioned of, Like, yeah, by the after she has the baby and she's holding the baby, but she's constantly blunting, how are we going to get away with our murder money?

Yeah, and even the fact that when they find out like the truth behind what the money is, and it's all very quick and you have to kind of catch up quickly that it was like ransom money for a rich girl who was murdered, Like the kidnappers didn't give her back, like she she was killed?

Was she killed because they're plane crashed and they didn't get the money?

Made?

That heard of that?

Yeah, we don't even know the actual like timeline exactly.

And we think that the brothers or the people the deadly duo that killed six of which Gary Cole is one of them, came from the kidnappers, yes, or were they from the family that got kidded?

I assumingly, I don't think it matters but yeah.

It doesn't matter.

But I assume she's right that he was the other the pilot was one of their brothers, right too, or what they do over.

So like maybe a mafia daughter got kidnapped and they sent killers to deliver the money, right like, or like at least one killer as the pilot or something like that.

Or maybe the money got stolen and these were the two people that stole it because they killed six.

I don't know, right, he's a bad person and she's the sheriff.

He's a bad person.

The deputy.

Yeah, but yeah, like even I like those little glimpses because again they're like, it's drug money.

It turns out to be more convolented than that, even though again you can keep justifying because it's like he's like, well, this is stolen money, but she's like, yeah, but it's okay now we know the source of it.

And then even though she doesn't even continued down this lane, it's like her thought process, you know, can be like, well, this girl's already dead, Like this was money meant to pay for the life of a girl who's dead, so it can't pay for her life anymore.

It might as well make our life better.

I think the last thing I'll say about the movie is that it jumping off something I said last week when we were talking about westerns, and I think this holds true up until the invention of the fucking Internet and cell phones and cell phones were more prevalent, which is that from the wild wild West up until the seventies, up until whenever, you could just walk into a room and say I'm this person and nobody will check.

And that's the thing, Like I'm from the FBI doesn't even show his badge.

You could have had a fake badge, it didn't matter.

But like you can just walk in and say you're somebody else, you could walk into a Western town and say, you know, I'm this person.

Same thing holds true here.

And there's heightened tension in the third act because he just doesn't have a cell phone that she can call her text.

He has to wait for a call to come through on the desk of the actual sheriff's.

Office, right, yeah, and yeah.

But also because it is a small town and because the sheriff well not trade as an idiot, is betrayed as like a sweet small town sheriff who's in over his head with anything this convoluted and would you know, believe the best of someone like Hank but also believe that Gary Cole looking snazzy in his suit walking in and saying I'm from the FBI, you know, and be like okay, like that that makes total sense.

That tracks and obviously that leads to first I wanted to It's funny, by the way, when you said the last thing I'll say about this movie, I was like, what if Matt refused to say answer me like I kept talking.

I've already said, I've already said what I have.

Yes, no, but yeah, nearing the end of my thoughts too.

But you know, there's this great tension of he goes back in to get a gun from the sheriff's office.

He has to grab the gun hastily, there's no bullets in it, and then he just has to grab a bunch of bullets from the desk and just trying to find the correct bullet again.

I think this movie is very smart in that it's not a constant like you know, it's not like a crime thriller in the sense of it is a crime thriller, but it's not the kind of crime thriller where there's like constant acts of violence or constant like you know, people being shot left and right.

It when people are shot, it matters.

And so the tension of him in that plane and he's being you know, and he's not some skilled, you know guy, so he's dropping all the bullets and yeah, it's just it's all working well.

Man.

I just realized that I'm saying this.

By the way, I think how hard was it for Raimi that there was not a natural point in this movie for him to like abuse one of the actors like that.

I would like to I would like to think, and I know I'm breaking my promise of my final thought, but I would like to think that he was shaken the fucking plane, like when you know, in the plane tips and Bill Paxton has to fall.

I'd like I'd like to think that he was shaking it or he had Billy Bob shake it.

Yeah.

I was having a similar not shaking the plane, but I was also in the plane, which is I was like, did he hold fake birds to peck Bill Paxson's face?

Yeah?

Did he go?

Oh?

By the way, also in a movie that's not going for Big Gore either, the effectiveness of that one shot of when he goes back into the plane and the pilot's body frozen smashes against the the dashboard and you see like pieces of the faith's fall off, and we don't see it vividly, and it's all the better for it.

In the context of this movie.

It feels like so effective that it's just like, oh, that guy just said some which leads to the darkly grim moment of her saying like asking him to identify the guy the pilot and be like, I couldn't couldn't really tell you based on how his face.

Is, and then the pilot puts its jaw back on and goes sally forth.

Yes he does.

As a post credit scene, a couple of things we mentioned obviously, the Elfman score is great, very uncharacteristic.

Think about Elfman.

I mean, it's like Elfman has a sound to him.

But there's the thing about Elfman is he kept being hired as we've meant to do superhero movies and then some horror movies, so of course there's gonna be a similar sound because he's in the same realm's But then like Dolores Claybourne, that's what I was gonna say.

Yeah, the handful of times when our summers be when he does a totally different type of movie, he brings a very different vibe to it, and I thought that was really cool.

And then one more thing I was gonna mention on the music side, is is there a song?

Now this is not literally true, I have heard it on the radio here and there, but Spirit in the Sky, which has one of the best guitar licks of all time, is such a tailor made song for movies.

And my real history with that song is almost entirely through cinema, starting with the Miami Blues trailer, and so when it popped up here, it's on the Guardians of the Galaxy Volume one soundtrack, even though it got cut from the movie because the sequence it was in a cut cut from the movie.

But there's a great I think I've mentioned before that I had a film class in college where they played as scenes from Andile House and Witness using the same song to show how you can use the same song in very different tones of movies.

And Spirit in the Sky is one of those ones that gifts gets used so many times.

I think you could do a great montage of Spirit in the Sky, which here is used when what Jacob I think and lou first drive up to greet Hank for their ill fated.

I recommend the off kilter Bauhause version of spirit in this I will say that I did not know that he did the score.

We just mentioned the movie to Goodwie Hunting.

But also, do you remember this movie article ninety nine from Howard Deutsch with waylei Oda and Kievs of the Lend and.

The Remember I remember it exists?

Yes, at like a VA hospital.

Anyway, he did that too, Okay, keep for someone with the mustache.

Yeah, when he was going full I don't know what he's going full full stash, full magnum, full, magnum p I full magnum tier full.

I don't know mustaches are in now right, He's going full loss varatu, that's what he's doing.

I was gonna say he's good for full Sheldon Goldman, that's true.

I mean my dad.

Did you dad ever have a beard too?

Yes?

No, not just just a mustache.

There's pictures.

My dad only had a full beard and never just the stash.

So he was clean shaven until the seventies and he got the mustache and then he never shaved.

It, except he did briefly, I think right after I went to college, and it was a full on revolt.

All the kids, other people in his family.

We weren't having it.

It didn't look right.

He just tied him to a chair until it grew back.

This is the I'm having this with Vince Gilligan right now.

It's like it just it's really hard for me.

Clean shaven and Vince Killigan.

You talented motherfucker, but you don't look right with the clean shaven face.

I'm sorry, Sorry, Fince.

Anyway, It's weird though, because Rio Seahorn got a mustache.

Yeah, she just took his.

She rocks it though, Uh, simple plant is great.

It was, like I said, it was great to revisit.

I remember loving it and then yeah, I kept being like, oh, like right before Lou through the cave, Oh, they find something in the snow here, and that I did remember right before that he that Jacob passed him to kill him.

I am.

I wish I actually could have forgotten that and experienced it again for the first time.

Envious, envious, but.

Yeah, a great movie and really yeah, fascinating.

Sort of a little not little major change here for Raymie and I love that he was showed that he was able to really operate in this realm in such a great way.

All Right, next time we're doing The Gift, which is I feel like, and again I have not seen it is in line with this though it is more southern.

It's not Minnesota's southern gothic.

Uh, let's less smaller budget though again this wasn't a huge budgeted movie, right, but this was even a smaller budget.

And was this the movie?

I have to place it in time with Kate Blanchette's sort of.

Like rise of her career.

But I feel like this was already she'd already done her Queen Elizabeth, right.

She had, I believe it was.

It was notable that she was, Yeah, she was already like oh that you know, she was an acclaimed actress, even though she was going to become bigger after that.

Two things I want to say, God, damn it, I already lost one super quickly, but certainly back I just I realized.

One thing I want to say, as we're talking about the the shift here for Raymie is just that we've mentioned before his history with the Coen Brothers, and you know he's he was like around for Blood simply he didn't directly work on it, but he is like special thanks.

I think on that he's certainly present when they were making that movie, and so that this is him, you know, it feels like it's like he was always Cohen's adjacent.

He was always friends with those guys.

He co wrote Hudsucker Proxy, and so that this movie will in no way again it's not just like Fargo.

But again, I do think in the studio room, but you know that they're they're thinking similarly.

So it's it's him showing that, you know, they they're not so different, the two of them.

I mean, the Coen brothers have shots that are Raymy asking their movies.

So it's like they are definitely, you know, have this connective tissue throughout their careers.

Okay, Blanchette would break out this year in America in Elizabeth nineteen ninety eight, and then by two thousand, which is when The Gift is, she's an established nominated star and this will be the first the movie Raymi directs right before he does his Spider Man's YEP is the Gift all right, which I don't know where you can watch it, just find it anyway, until next time.

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