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This is Unspoiled covering the Dresden Files TV show, Season one, episode twelve, Second City, the final episode.

In this episode, Murphy's dad is indeed a live you can tell, I don't remember a lot about the show, guys.

And then he's dead, but then he's alive again, which he's apparently done before.

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I'm Rashaan Okay, So how do you feel about this for a finale episode?

I mean, I don't know.

I don't know, guys.

It felt like it was an episode in a series I haven't been watching.

How what do you mean by this?

Like that, everything just felt totally unfamiliar or uh, like we.

Have the relationship between Murphy and Dressden just continues to boggle my mind.

Mm hmmm.

In like one.

Episode, they're very very chummy and trust each other, and then the next epis, y're like strangers and she doesn't know who he is.

I can't believe the word he's saying, and you know, that's that's what I mean by that, Like, I just feel like I missed a bunch of episodes that got her in his relationship to this point.

So that's maybe what I mean.

But yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me actually, now that you explain, because like the start of this episode, after of course the first murder is the two of them hanging around at a bar on her day off, which there is no indication anywhere in the show that they spend time together other than on cases.

Yep.

So now all of a sudden, we're just buds, and it feels very like out of nowhere, you.

Know, like and I know maybe there might be a single person out there, say well, last episode ended with Harry asking her to just go get lunch, and you know what, that's not sufficient, No.

Not at all.

It's not sufficient in such a variety of contexts.

But like here she has just had her guard up so much, and then the way that this conversation seems to be going between the two of them, with her willing to get drunk in front of him and like talk shit about other members of the department and stuff.

That is just not the Murphy that we have seen.

It's not like she doesn't have these opinions, but whether or not she'd be willing to let her guard down like this with Harry, I haven't really seen that.

So it's a like kind of a strange jump to make that.

I think maybe I can see them putting this as the last episode of the season because they were maybe a little aware of that and they thought, we need the whole season to like work up to this moment with the two of them.

But you didn't work up to it.

It's just the last episode of twelve episodes, and you're thinking that that's enough, which it is not.

In summary, Yeah, it just.

Uh, I was just like, oh, we're we're doing this now, this is this is what our relationship is so not like and like.

I was.

It wasn't that I didn't want to see it.

I was glad to see it, but it just felt very much like I missed six episodes, that's all.

Yeah, And I would just kind of like, damn, I bet those episodes were good.

It would have been nice if I had seen them too.

Yeah, that's the that's the part that's I think like the most frustrating, right, is that anytime you feel like something hasn't been worked toward, you're just like, but that would have been very interesting storytelling to watch.

So you know, just like, why did you feel the need to skip them when that's what the show should be.

That's like cheating.

Yeah, yeah, and we have Murphy the reason.

Well, okay, so there's a murder.

There's a murder.

There's a murder at the beginning of the episode, which we kind of got to talk about.

Uh, there's just like some random walking down the street and then a.

Cloaked figure.

Kind of comes out of the shadows and attacks the man, and the man ends up drowning, Yeah, on the sidewalk, which is you know, peculiar, it is, And that's kind of like our code open.

It's just like this this hooded figure attacking this man, killing him in this really bonker's way, and then skittering off into the shadows.

I do think it's really funny that you keep saying because I think he's literally wearing a hoodie.

Is just like, yeah, I'm pretty positive it's just a hoodie.

Oh when you say hooded, it makes it sound like he's in like a cape.

That's kind of how That's kind of how I thought.

Yeah, like it was like a big cow or something over his head.

But my mistake.

Maybe it's the shadows playing tricks with my eyes.

But but yeah, I I the way that he gets jabbed with this brand, I definitely had a second of just like, wait, what is that?

Like I was not I didn't clock what the object was and was very puzzled for a second, And then later on when they explained that he was branded, I was like, oh, oh okay, but for a moment was like, wait, what is what is this thing that?

What is why is he touching it?

Is that a magic wand.

And why it's all smoking and sizzling and ship you know.

But anyway, so we have then the scene between Harry and Murph talking and there's like this muckraking journalist who is apparently in the midst of writing the memoir of this cop that has this incredible reputation yea, which is always funny because anytime a cop has an incredible reputation on any TV show, I am just like, okay, well they're corrupt.

Like there's never ever a cop that's done this and actually turns out to have been amazing at their job.

It's always that they are somehow getting one over on people, falsifying arrests, you know, like intimidating witnesses whatever.

But I, like my mind when he showed up here, immediately jumped to, well, there's the murderer.

Yeah, kind of kind of yeah, same, yeah, just like there's something dirty going on here.

I don't know exactly what, but yeah, and Murphy is like does not like the sky.

It's kind of like, is she just jealous of all the attention and success that he's getting, or just like her instinct telling her something's not right with this guy.

And then she starts talking to Harry about her.

Own reputation and what Harry's impact on her reputation has started to be and how that there are people are talking about them, not just like them as a team, but like starting to have suspicions that there's something like going.

On with them.

And this whole thing is like very playful and there's a lot of laughter and like vulnerability, and again just not that I'm mad about seeing it, but just like, where's this coming from?

Yeah?

You know, Yeah, So she gets a call despite being drunk.

To come to the scene of a drowning.

As we wind up discovering and the branding, like, it's very clear that this is some spooky shit, but that is just the way that this is set up.

It's funny because she comes in and is like, well, she says something about like cause of death, and he's like, I don't know because he is about a mile from the nearest body of water.

And she's like, what does that have to do with anything?

And then he's like, well, because he drowned.

And when they pull the uh the cloth back that they've covered him with, that water that was pouring out of his mouth when he died has frozen over his face, which is so undignified.

I really, like, I would love to know how they achieved this kind of effect, also because it really does look like ice.

How did they make this look like ice and put it over a man's face.

I'm just curious.

I just you know, I just want to know, like exactly how they pulled this off.

In terms of the probably some kind of past kind of like maybe gelatin.

It hardens or something.

M gelatine could possibly work.

It looks pretty stiff, but you can make pretty stiff gelatine, I guess, and like let it out of packets, Yeah, and let it, let it harden and congeal, you know.

Yeah, I don't know, maybe you bake it a little bit.

I don't know about this.

So what like the weirdness of this episode for me really begins the next day when her dad shows up.

It's just fascinating to me to see the changes that they have made and when it feels like they've just purposely gone in another direction what that actually means.

Like, yeah, you know, because Murphy's this this guys, Murphy's dad is a little What I remember from the books about her father is that he was like a really good cop, right right, and kind of like a stand up guy, kind of like no nonsense.

And if I remember correctly, she had a lot of respect for her father.

Mm hmm.

I can't remember if they had any kind of weirdness like father daughter or strain or whatever.

I can't remember.

Yeah, they did in a similar way as she talks about here, with him being like so on the job and taking things very seriously.

But here.

It's it's interesting because, like in the books, he is meant to have killed himself, but we end up finding out, of course that that was like an influenced thing.

That he didn't do this because it was purely his desire to die, but it was that he was being pushed by somebody.

And yet the primary thing that Murphy is feeling about it is that he abandoned his family, and so they have achieved that again with a different method here of him abandoning his family for work but still being alive.

And eventually she mentions how he didn't even know that his wife had left because he was on a stakeout and so he was gone for three days and wasn't even aware until you know, he came home after the steakout was over, right, which is remarkable.

That is that is crazy shit.

But yeah, I just thought it was kind of a compelling way to do this.

It's like, we're still having me.

If you're out on a steakout for three days undercover and there are no cell phones, like I guess you could have just wandered.

Over to a pay phone to check in on his wife.

Yeah, I think that's really the thing is like a steakout.

You should be if you have a family, there should be some way to check in with this, Like you're I don't feel like it's supposed to be that you are completely sequestered from any sort of like movement or contact with any anybody.

But I don't know, maybe that is it.

Maybe you're like locked in a box.

I just.

Just I'm based off of like old TV shows and old cop shows that this is not an opinion.

It's based in any kind of reality or real world knowledge of how this works.

This is strictly based on TV and movies.

How that goes.

If you know, tell me only if you actually know, not if you've seen it on TV.

I don't want to hear about that part TV.

We're always going to do ship that's like the most dramatic because that's how we make stories that are interesting, But that's not necessarily going to be what really goes on.

But it is kind of like also wild that her mother left while he was on a stakeout.

Yeah, just like alone, That to me is actually where like the story goes, Like the mom is so fed up that she uses this opportunity because she knows he's not going to check in on them, so she knows this is a chance to make a move, and you're.

Right, it's it is a little unclear.

Like my assumption is she took the whole family.

But then the way Murphy tells the story, it sounds like she was just left behind waiting for dad to come home for three days.

But that can't be right.

That can't be how that went.

I wouldn't think so, but yeah, it does sort of feel me.

So this dude has turned up because he is bringing some stuff to the widow of a person I don't even remember.

It's not important, but basically it's the sort of thing that like he could have just shipped this stuff and he didn't.

And later on he admits that it was like just a good excuse to be able to come back and see Murphy, which is the one thing that he could say to ease up how she's feeling, because the biggest accusation she makes against him is that he has never given a fuck, and so he is attempting to show her no, I do, really, even if I don't say that, I do like you're the reason that I'm here, which is I understand that relationships with parents are complicated it's just one of those things that when it's not my dad, when he dies later, I was just very unmoved by it.

I understood that she was sad, and I feel for her, but I most definitely was sort of like, I mean, I kind of hope he doesn't die because it's supposed to be that they're making up.

But if he does die and they just at least made up before he died, that would also be fine, and I wouldn't mind either way much.

It's funny because with this episode, but it made me think about was my sort of call out of the way Murphy when she's actually not Murphy and she's the Dragon in the last episode talks about her.

Dad and she's just like, well, I don't know.

He could be alive and he could be dead.

I haven't seen him in ten years.

I don't know.

And then we get this episode and it really is like she has no idea if he's a libraries.

Yeah that's true.

I didn't stop and consider that, but it pretty much makes it sound like the Dragon new a lot more stuff were aware, all right.

Well, Also we get a little bit of like background on our victim who's drowned and he's like on the surface, he's like just a regular guy.

He works at like a mechanic shop, he's got a family.

But then they find out that several years ago he was like all up with the mob of like the Russian mob or some shit or whatever, and then like he flipped on them, and so they're thinking that maybe this murder was this this drowning, which they're not even attempting to discuss the drowning at this point.

They's just no about the murder itself, and thinking that maybe that like it's somebody that he flipped on his comeback for revenge.

And that really made me laugh because I was just like, so we're just we're gonna backburn of the drowning, huh, and just try to focus on the tangibles that we can understand.

And yeah, I was actually kind of expecting this to be more of a focus when they at least because like, at first I can understand thinking he was drowned somewhere else and dropped here, he was waterboarded, he was I think, Bob says something given like the worst swirly of all time, you know, like that kind of thing.

But once got the footage of him outside the building and somebody literally only walking by him and hitting him and him drowning in a moment.

I expected a lot more of like, how the fuck do you drown somebody like that?

Yeah, like what you know?

And no, it just really doesn't seem to be anybody's question, which is I don't understand how that didn't become more of a but wait how though?

So yeah, that was I agree.

I really figured that I knew what we were going to be so puzzled by, and instead, it really feels like, because in that footage we get the image of the brand, they are able to fully focus in on the brand itself rather than on the fact that this man drowned.

One really would think that if you are hit with a brand and then you drown, that would raise questions that people would ask how though, And it doesn't seem to have done that.

So it's it's it's weird.

It's almost like and I don't know if the show is doing this on purpose at this point, I don't know what the fuck the show is doing with practically anything for all twelve episodes.

But when we think about the way Dresden talks about regular Square folks who are not aware of the supernatural and magic, and how we will just go through all these mental gymnastics to ignore things we can't explain, and we will literally just pretend like we don't see them and come up, you know.

And I was just like, Oh, I wonder if the show is like, is that what this show is showing us?

How people can see with their own eyes on video something that seems impossible and because they can't wrap their heads around it, they just don't engage with it.

But I don't know if that's what the show is doing, Like I feel like I'm giving them a little too much credit.

If we at least have them address like, well, what about the drowning.

Let's not focus on the drowning right now, let's focus on the information we have, like that kind of thing where it's at least addressed, then I could go with that.

But yeah, it feels like we are just not talking about that part at all.

And really the big question that which of course we're never going to deal with because the show is not interested.

But at the end of this, we have this cop, this dirty cop, who is going to be like tried in a court of law.

Yeah, right, and what are you going to be what are the charge did, because like, yeah, guys, I don't feel like you've got a particularly strong case here.

It's very circumstantial if you can't say that he was a witch, which I feel like you're not gonna want to say the reasons that I understand.

It's just this is the stuff that I want to know, and I wish that we could come up with, like because I also in the books we do get like offhand remarks about like the things that we have caught him doing that we can actually charge him with, you know, like somebody is like Victor Cell's doing his crazy rituals and whatnot.

We can't necessarily charge him with doing the rituals, but we can charge him with making and selling three I and we can charge him with the attack on Harry and Arson and whatever.

Like this guy, I don't know if there is any way to place him at the other murders.

He did have this one woman that he had kidnapped, but it's like, basically there's no way to prove the kidnapping was anything because he claims she attacked him, and we know that works very well for cops historically, and she's also an ex criminal which tarnishes her reputation some And then we've just got this like blurry figure on camera who could be anybody, and the only thing they have to link him to it is the brand.

But that doesn't explain anything about how this guy drowned and destroyed.

By the end of the episode, yeah, I.

Forgot that, Harry destroys evidence, which does seem like something it is for some reason.

I mean, all they've got is a scrap book, which doesn't you know, it doesn't really I don't think ties to the cop months or whatsoever.

They're just clippings of like someone who had a brush with death and then someone who dies later on by the same manner as the first person's near near death experience, but nothing that ties any of that to the cop who the and the cop has this like pretty s thoroughly reputation anyway.

Yeah, before he's even broke, the whole case is going to fall apart, and this show doesn't even care.

The show doesn't care about any of this.

It really doesn't.

Yeah, it doesn't care.

It does not Murphy's dad showing up to like blindsiding her in this way, and the other cop, which is named Carmeni trying to like warn her that he's there, but keeps getting interrupted because she won't want to get a sentence out.

And then it's just very.

Awkward, and he's like pleading with her to like make time for him.

We can have dinner.

I want to see my grandkid, and she's just not into it at all.

And the way they play it, they kind of make it like I don't know because I feel like it's been twelve episodes and I'm still not sure who this woman is.

So like this interaction with her and the dad, it almost comes across like she's being unfairly cold to him.

Yeah, Like he shows up and the other cops are like glad to see him, and they pat him on the back.

What brings you up here?

Like you said, he's returning some personal items.

That belong to.

That are in his possession because his friend, I don't know if it's like an ex partner or somebody killed himself.

Oh it's that Kim.

Yeah, he's like, yeah, catch that, but he says to put it.

You know, he ate his gun, you know.

And so my point is like he's dropping this really heavy bomb of like my friend blew his brains out and so I'm here to drop off his belongings to his ex wife, and we have Murphy not have any sort of like empathy for this news, which makes it seem like she's being hard ass here, which is kind of unfair.

Yeah, and again, if the storytelling on this show were more effective, we would feel such trust in Murphy as a character that as soon as she begins to give this man the cold shoulder, we would be going, what do he do?

Tell me, babe, what do you do?

But because we don't really have that relationship with her, it does feel like she's being harsh.

And I have mostly the faith to believe that she is going to have had a good reason.

But it's not the kind of thing that it's instantaneous like, oh, he fucked up somehow.

It definitely does kind of because she has been kind of cold to Harry.

We've seen it when he hasn't deserved it, so this wouldn't be out of character for her entirely, you know.

So Yeah, and the fact that it's because his friend killed himself is very funny.

They're clearly doing a little like nudge in the ribs there for us.

I get it, I get it.

Calm down, and I think that, yeah, okay, So when they go to the Morgue and talk to Butters, that's when this other cop that has this rep shows up.

Yeah, and I'm gonna kind of back up a little bit.

But Carmini her dad goes to him and wants to know what the fucking deal is with Dresden.

And as we know, Carmeni is not a big fan.

Yeah, he doesn't trust Harry.

He knows that he gets results, and he says that gives him that credit, but otherwise is just very much like, yeah, I don't We pay him five hundred dollars a day with a two day minimum, and there's also suspicions that he's banging her so and her dad of course is just like wow, and we're paying him for that.

Cool, cool, cool cool, which later on results in her father turning up at Harry's door, and it is I will say this, the actor playing her father does a really good job.

I bought him as a person right away.

He just felt like a real guy with a real attitude problem, fashioned ideas about how he should like handle his daughter's business, and the whole vibe of him felt extremely solid and like fleshed out for me quite quickly, which is the sort of thing that I feel like can be very easy to miss that that is happening for you because it's what's supposed to happen for everybody, right.

I enjoy it because the show is not great.

When it happens on the show, I noticed it a lot more.

I really enjoyed the scene with Carmini when the dad is telling the story about his heart attack, and this is when we see him take the guy's taking his little pills, is like whatever, whatever the pills are, and he tells a story about how she saved his life when she was only seventeen because he had a heart attack and she does CPR and like breaks some of his ribs.

But yeah, she's the one who saved him from his near death experience.

And he says something to come to me like, I guess she didn't.

I guess she never told you about it any other huh, and says it but he has this expression on his face when he says.

That it seemed like really hurt.

And it made me stop because I was like, well, why would she want to tell people that story?

Like that's a traumatic thing.

But then I guess if it was your kid, and your kids saved their life.

They would be so proud of it and so so glad they had it happened, appreciative and did it was such an expression of love, how much I love my dad that she doesn't tell people.

He seems really genuinely hurt by that, Like yeah, and and there's just there was just ah, there was just something on his face that felt like.

Guilt.

M hm.

And I was just like, what sir, yea, what the fuck did you do?

Yeah?

What he says is like some would say I got a second chance, and she would say I wasted It is the way that yeah wraps that up.

Yeah, And I just thought that was because then you're just like, I don't know, he's just like I agree with your assessment of the actor.

He does a very good job of, like you, he's believable in in this, in this in this role as this sort of distant, gruff cop with a strained relationship and secrets, you know what I mean, regrets.

So so yeah, so he was actually like a good like a bright spot of the episode, even though he was a kind of a pain any ass.

Yeah, agreed.

So, so that's not an easy thing to pull off.

Usually like you know, when you have when you have a fake, a person who is supposed to be a like, I don't want to say a foe uh antagonist maybe I don't know, that feels too strong also, but like, but you're also supposed to feel for them and care what happens to them.

That is a very tall order to have them be both a pain in the ass that you get sick of and for you to need them to be okay later.

And this is not a show that is capable of pulling that off full stop.

So I think he did just about as well as you're gonna do.

Yeah, agreed, you know, agreed.

Considering so, And of course Murph walks in like while he's trying to intimidate Harry.

It's very funny because they say something about like, well, we were just just like deciding, and she's like, yeah, yeah, tell me what the men folk?

Yeah, And I loved that phrasing of it.

I was like, good for you, girl, because yeah, it's very much giving.

We have your hand, your life in hand for you.

Don't you worry, sweetheart, We've got it, you know.

And she has to really tell her dad off before he backs away, and he is pissed about it, but it is I mean, she pushes harder than I expected her to have to.

I thought he was going to be embarrassed enough to have been caught meddling after like clearly not really being involved in her life, and instead he's very defensive about like the fact that she doesn't know this guy, and then we get a gratifying scene later where she is like, I literally trust that man with my life and I don't even know you.

Yeah, you've been missing my guy, and you're coming in trying to tell me how to do shit.

I have no interest in dropping somebody that I have been able to rely on on the word of somebody who abandoned me call me crazy.

Yeah, it was very satisfying.

There's this whole other like subplot that happens too that I was like kind of missed and then kind of king caught back into and kind of was like, wait, what's happening where the dirty cop tries to he gives Carmeni this file and he's like, the guy the victim, uh is somehow connected to a gun that was used to try to shoot Joe Murphy years ago?

Do you remember that?

Oh?

Right?

Because this is him trying to set her down.

Yeah, And I was just like, what what is going on here?

And then like yeah, and then it kind of finished thing.

Yeah, yeah, it's and then like there's then there's like nothing with it.

And then, like you said, we have the whole the whole thing with her dad and Harry and like we don't talk about it, and it doesn't come back up until closer towards the end of the episode, and then I was like, oh, he was trying to do a thing.

Yeah.

It's weird too, because like if he were really trying to set her father up, you think that he would have looked into whether the guy had an alibi, because he has like a very solid one.

He was at a wake with multiple witnesses.

This is not like it just is such a half asked attempt at framing somebody at least ensure that this person was available for the murder right exactly.

And you're just like, well, this is our superstar cop, this is this is how he gets down.

Yeah, And I guess, like I don't know, maybe because he's not really a good cop and that's why he's using fucking magic because he's terrible at his job.

Maybe maybe that is supposed to be the ultimate takeaway.

It's just like, yeah, well none of that was deserved that reputation.

So Harry takes Murphy outside to the crime scene, well yeah, the crime scene right where the body was went out, and he does a little.

A little magic and just lets like he's like, we're gonna follow a trail, like ants, We're going to follow a little trail.

Puts on these weirdo sunglasses.

And it's her sunglasses.

Weird are they are?

Yeah?

He borrowed them from her, which is why she's mad that he's pouring ant vomit.

Oh.

I just thought they look so weird on him.

I was like, why does he have those glasses?

Yeah, because like I don't know.

He says something about like ant vomit being part of the the what he's pouring, because she gags at the smell of it.

And when he pours it, he's trying to hit the guy's exact footprint, which I think highly unlikely that Harry would get that exact spot, but sure, and then it lights up because it's magic.

But he does that right in front of her, and she doesn't comment on it or any and then he says something about like maybe the ants, like ants follow trails, maybe they'll like this trail, which it's he's trying to make it sound like I'm gonna use actual ants for this experiment.

But then there's no ants involved in the following of the trail, and he doesn't try to pretend there are no He does not, So why did you set up this, this, this mention here in this fashion when you're not following through on it with that explanation, it's not going any further.

Why bother?

What is this?

And in summary, what the fuck is this?

And he's she's she's like, what do you see?

What do you see?

He's like, I just see the world only darker, and she's just like smart ass.

And then he starts explaining to her that he needs to power up the spell even though we're not talking about the magic of it all, and he asked her to slap him.

He's like, I just need a jolt, and she refuses to slap him, so he then kisses.

Her the most contrived shit you ever saw.

My guys right to get like, and it just so happens they're being tailed by this writer guy this whose name I think is Herrick, and so he happens to be right on the scene so he can catch them kissing and snap short photos because we need to add that to the plot as well.

Yeah, and he catches her slapping Harry, but also like, he doesn't take a photo of it, So there's the photo of the kiss.

He witnesses the slap, which makes it very clear that this was not like a consensual thing, and doesn't factor that in at all or mention it to anybody, and just decides to you know, because he's a muckbreaker, I guess, yeah, how we're supposed to go.

He's not interested in the actual journalistic truth of a thing.

He's just you know.

So they follow the trail.

They're able to pick up the trail even though it's a car trail because of the kiss, you know, gave him extra energy, and they follow it all the way to some dank apartment.

Yeah, and she's about to just bust in and he's like, you need a warrant and she's like, fuck I do and just kicks the door.

Again, this is not the Karen that we know.

What are we doing?

He and Harry is the one being like, don't you have to say your police and announce your presence, Like he's like, I've seen Law and Order.

This isn't go I forgot that he says that.

I don't think he does actually say it.

I'm just saying I.

Thought you were saying that.

You said that.

I know she would have been a good line.

That would have actually not fit because Harry doesn't have television, but it would have been funny anyway.

But they said get into this apartment, and it is exactly as creepy and weird as you want it and needed to be.

There's lit candles everywhere, there's like a is there like a giant pentagram or something on the floor.

There's same symbol as the brand, as the brand.

Right, there's the scrap book with all the evidence.

There's like stuff, you know, newspaper clippings on the walls everywhere.

It's just it's it's all very exactly what you think you would get.

It really is.

And she's you know, creeping around checking out the whole digs.

He's in this scrap book putting pieces together, and the scrap book is showing, you know, these people having these near death experiences and then a follow up photo of someone else dying.

They find the fucking brand, They find all the fucking weapons, and then someone is there and that someone has Murphy like around by the.

Neck very abruptly.

Yeah, Harry gets tossed around like it's nobody's business.

The figure throws Murphy around, tries to take the whole scrap book, ends up just like taking some pages out, and.

Gets out of the apartment, gets Harry back on the ground, is making a getaway, and then Karen shoots like four times right into the chest area.

This thing is.

Again in a hood but it is not a hoodie.

This is a whole cloak could situation.

This time.

You see him get hit and he just keeps running and she's like, but I fucking hit them.

Harry is like, yeah, you sure did.

Yeah, so why didn't he go down?

And she later says body armor.

I don't know to her boss, but so yeah, maybe he was just wearing a cloak in the beginning.

I'll be honest, guys, I had to watch this episode on tub so I am trying not to jump around too much as I talked to Rashan about it, because then it triggers the advertisements it does, So I am not substantiating my claims.

Not all.

So yeah, So the back of the precinct, she's being told she needs to take a couple of days off.

They have the scrap book at least missing a couple of pages.

They can't explain why it didn't go down.

They're looking at her like.

You're out of your mind.

They're interrogating her, how did she find his place?

Why did you go in there?

It doesn't look good.

It's uh, it's it's she's looking like an unhinged person that needs to take a leave of absence.

And then Carmini in.

Front of her father because her father is looking around in front of the captain.

They questioned her relationship with Dresden one more time and then hit her with the picture of them kissing.

So tiresome it really is.

And Harry is like, I can explain, and Murphy is like, no, fuck that, you're not explaining shit, where'd you get.

This picture from?

Why?

Following me?

I loved her saying not to explain.

It didn't even occur to me to not explain that I am an over explainer.

But and and you know, like it's kind of funny because there's a part of me that recognizes the hypocrisy of what I'm about to say.

I mentioned that the reread of the final two books of the series so far were the least satisfying and the most frustrating, and a big part of that is Harry getting confronted about whether or not he is enthralled by Lara and refusing to answer because they use some spell to determine whether or not he has had a sexual partner in the last twenty four hours, rather than something to determine whether or not he is being mind whammied, and he refuses to answer because it's such an invasion of privacy that they would try to find out his sexual habits right now without asking or explaining, you know.

And so I should have cheered for him in that circumstance the way that I cheer for her here in this circumstance.

But the difference is that there was so much more at stake with him, not like refusing to answer the question.

And also there is like a physical, literal result that happens when Lara touches him because he has not slept with her.

That was also something you could easily prove and demonstrate.

And the fact that they set up a fake like an illusion later that is him sleeping with Lara, and he doesn't even consider the fact that everybody is already upset because they think he's sleeping with her, right right, So the fact that he is like like giving the thumbs up to this illusion is baffling, and even setting all of that aside, Historically women being shamed, it is for anything that is like sexual that goes on with anybody around them is so much more of a problem that it's just a very different thing for a woman to be like, no, fuck you, we're not explaining anything.

The framing of it being all men, including her fucking father, mm hmm, you know, surrounding her, demanding to know this information about her that they're not entitled to.

It's just like you can't.

The context is just wildly different, and it's frustrating for Harry to turn his nose up to answering the questions that really would not have been into the world if he just fucking answered because of all the points you already mentioned.

But it's just this, it's just I don't think it's like, yeah, it's sort of the same situation, but like with context, it's wildly different.

So I don't I mean it like someone could say, being a hypocrite, and its surface level, sure, but the minute you dig deeper it falls apart.

I think.

So I don't think it's hypocritical at all.

I think it's just, you.

Know, I just wanted to address it because it feels like the sort of thing that somebody would definitely like bring up, you know, and just get out ahead of that.

And the way that they frame it when it happens as well, she is literally seated and surrounded by standing men looking down at her, accusing her like it's just really done in a way that is meant to get you feeling how leering this feels, you know, even if it's not like there's a leer, it's a leering look for me, even if it isn't actually like about attraction.

There's just a feel to me of it's glacious interest.

It's the way that they are surrounding her.

They are all taller than her, bigger than her.

They have her clothes in her back is like not to a wall but to her desk areas, so she's pinned in.

They are all men that have authority over her, well maybe not Hermione or comedian whatever his name is, but he's definitely somebody that has set in judgment of her relationship with Harry from the from the door, and it goes very quickly from interrogating her to insulting and and and what is the word not implicating accusing her, And then it switches really quickly to it switches from them condemning her personal what they think her personal relationship is, to her behavior as a cop, because Harry starts talking about, well, if you just look in the book, you'll see and it's what do you mean you looked in the book.

You let him touch the evidence, you let him tamper, you know, And so now now she's not even a good cop anymore.

And it just the the ladder from the way that they go at women follows the trajectory.

So off, you know, you have one insult or one accusation, and then you pile on, you know, and next thing, you know, you're not good at anything, You're not worth anything, all from this one little seed that was planted where it was about your sexual activity or your you know, your imagine promiscuity or whatever, you know, whatever that initial colonel was.

And how quickly it happens, you know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's it's actually genuinely tense in an episode that's mostly kind of falling flat.

And if she's fighting for yeah, she's fighting for herself and sticking up for herself against her chief, for her lieutenant whoever this man is, and her father pipes in Connie that's enough, like come come on, come on, yeah, and then somebody else is like you should listen to your dad, like yeah, yeah, it's really really gross.

Super gross.

So that we have a couple of scenes with Bob and Dresseden, but it's not a huge like Bob doesn't play a huge role in this.

It's just Harry going to him trying to figure out what could have done this.

Eventually, when he starts to like catch on to oh, I get it, this person's trying to take the second chances of other people.

Bob is able to put symbols together of what you would use if you were attempting to do this, and it is clearly the symbol that is on the brand.

I don't remember if anybody in the episode ever mentions final destination, but it is definitely a final destination situation because the way that everybody dies once he takes their second chance is via the way they would have died first time, which is a very fun concept that I like.

But again, we just we just don't focus on it enough because that's something that truly cannot be explained, and we can't have that because this one's much more of a cop procedural than a lot of the episodes.

Of Yeah Yeah, And I think I don't know if we mentioned it at the beginning when we're talking about this.

Why this guy is a super cop in the first place is not just like his closing radar every and everything, but it's it's how many times that he should have died and didn't, Like he keeps putting himself and he's really intense life threatening situations and manages to keep walking away from them.

And that's part of his like allure, you know, is that, like, you know, he's been in all these very these close calls and yet manages to walk away every time.

Yeah Yeah, he's uh, it's almost like he said, superpower.

Oh my god.

So Harry realizes that the reason that this guy didn't go down when Murph shot him is because he used one of his lives.

And if he has used one of his lives up, that means that he's got to replenish the storage, the pantry, the larder battery, I think is the best one here, and so instantly I am thinking of her father.

But her father winds up being kind of like just the one he goes for and after being foiled, going after somebody else, which I should have expected due to the fact that he has been targeting criminals, so that it would always feel like, well, yeah, it makes sense that they were killed by somebody, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, and we had yeah, I just for some reason, because he had like tried to set her dad up.

I was thinking, like, maybe he will kill him and it will be I can make it look like he committed the other murders and then like killed himself out of grief or oh I see guilt or something like that.

I see what you mean.

Now, he just seems like he went after him because he needed somebody to had a near death experience, and.

He's yeah, yeah, and he finds out about it because fucking Carmine.

They cause Carmione or Cameni whatever.

Carmini is working.

Now with Munzer on this case of the drowned guy.

And also so they go back, they go I think back to the apartment and they're skulking around looking for clues and they find one of the dad's pills, right, and uh so that for me was weird because like it's a plant and it makes sense for me, like if Munster would plant it.

But how does he know?

How does he know?

What about about that her dad takes those pills.

I guess he takes them in front of everybody.

Maybe I'm I.

Don't know, because, like I was gonna say, if he knows that he has like a heart issue, and I'm not sure due to the fact that like Cormunie didn't even know about her saving her dad's life, right, I don't know how many people should be aware that he has a heart issue and almost died, right, So exactly that's what I was thinking too.

So maybe maybe it's just I don't know.

I don't know, I don't want Maybe it's supposed to be that her dad talked like Murph didn't, but he has said to people.

Maybe maybe he just yeah, yeah, Or maybe the implication is the Carmie because Carmeni seems a little smitten.

With Munzer as like super cop.

Yeah.

True, So maybe he just opened his big fat mouth about it.

Like you know and like and it's just like, you know, making.

Conversation and you just start telling other people's business because you want to seem interesting.

I don't know, Oh, that's certainly possible.

I could see Carmini being in a real gossip.

I mean, one could argue that's exactly what he's doing with her father.

I mean exactly, that's exactly what I was going to say, like he was, he couldn't wait to fucking you know, he probably told all that shit to Munser too, about the you know, the strain between Murphy and her dad and how they don't get along very well, blah blah blah blah blah, and so Mundsa is being like, yeah, maybe this would work.

So then we have another scene with Bob and I don't know if it's the same scene where they do the signs or this is a later scene, but this is when Harry is putting it together, like what he's doing and how he's how he's getting their lives.

And he says, wait, let me rewhy is that when I.

Yeah, he's talking to Bob about how the killer puts all his victims in the book, he took out the last few pages.

I'm pretty sure they'll tell us who's next if they're not already dead.

And then he goes, yeah, but I'm off the case.

But that doesn't really mean anything.

He's Bob like, that's never stops you before.

Yeah, that's nothing.

But Harry is really conflicted because he feels bad because Murphy is in like hot water, and feels he feels really guilty.

And this is when.

He's like, Harrick, it's Harrick.

Uh.

And Bob is like, Harrick is the one that's killing everybody, and he's like, no, he's Harek got us thrown off the case so that the killer can keep killing.

And then he says, either he's convicted to justice.

Or god damn it to me, did she isn't convicted to justice?

I did?

I meant to say committed committed to justice.

That's what I meant to say.

Whoops.

So he says, sorry, Harrik's the one that got us down off because of the picture.

And then he says allowing the killer to continue, Yeah, unimpeded by a wizard or tenacious detective.

So either he's dedicated public service eager to expose a compromised cop, or oh and then just do a cut because they make that they both realize, you know, at the same time, but they don't actually ever say anything.

Yeah, So Harry finds like the notes that this guy's place talking about how he just seems to always manage to like get out of things and not die, and it's so weird.

It's like he's got a bunch of extra lives and he's not afraid to spend them.

And it's a very leading that language being used by this writer feels I mean it not necessarily like out of the question, because he's a writer and you're writing about somebody that you're trying to make seem like as interesting as you can to sell a book.

So it just in the moment, I was like, Okay, yeah.

Chill out.

But there's also you know what I realized.

There's a moment in the very opening scene when we're talking about Harry and Murph hanging out having a drink that I feel like it is supposed to hit a certain way and lead to like the end of the episode hitting a certain way.

But he she says to him about like, I know that it's important to you about closing cases, because she's talking about how folks are beginning to talk about the two of them and rumors and YadA YadA, and she says eventually as he starts to protest, like she's like, I like closing cases, and he looks at her and with this tone of voice that is very very good, says, yeah, me too, Like very clearly, her saying I like closing cases is meant to be us taking it as like her saying I am interested in spending time with you, and Harry is responding to her saying that, but it doesn't feel like that's what she's saying.

It definitely feels like he is, and the whole energy and the way he delivers it was very charged in a way that I haven't been getting enough of from him.

But I wanted her to kind of have that vibe a bit more on the delivery because otherwise him responding the way that he does just comes across this a little creepy.

And then you know, at the end of the episode, she says like, I'm sorry for slapping you.

It won't happen again.

And what it feels like is you could kiss me and I wouldn't slap Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, but yeah, I just again, I just want all of this to be like built up to and set up a little bit more, you know.

We also get a scene with her finally going out to dinner with her dad, and he spends the whole night just telling her about Harry's past.

Yeah, and it's basically calling him a grifter, that he comes from a family a grifters, he's got a record for shoplifting, for joy riding, all like this petty, petty shit.

You know, mm hmm.

And she's like, he says he stole carriages and she says fucking carriages.

And he's like, yeah, it makes him a horse thief.

And I don't know why did that just really cracked me up out?

Oh yeah, I almost thought because she was like not making eye contact with him, I almost thought he just said that as a joke to make sure she was actually listening.

And I'm still not sure that's not what was happening there.

I don't know, but yeah, the whole scene of him just being like, here's his entire ramp sheet.

I just wanted to be like, you don't know your daughter at all if you don't think she has already looked into all of this information and knows it by heart.

Like, come on now, sir, Yeah, the face he's actually considering he was being like suspected of murder a couple episodes ago.

Yeah, but it's it's the and she says it to herself too.

Event after she left lobbies a bunch of like complaints about like you were never around, you didn't call me on my birthday, she says, that's your problem.

You don't see me, You don't know.

Me, And that's exactly it, because if he did know her, he would know he's not telling her anything.

She has already looked at herself, so she calls him right out on that shit, like you don't know my friends, you don't even know my daughter, Like how dare you come and pretend like you were somebody I would be listening to, yeah about any of this, And then she goes on to defend Harry and I think you talked about this earlier, which is basically she says, you know what, though, what he does do is he's there when I need him, unlike some people.

You know, I can count on him like some people.

And before the dad can react or respond to what she says, the cops show up to arrest him for murder surprise, surprise, So as she goes from having this moment of finally airing out some truth with her father to immediately having to go on the defense because she's not just gonna let her father get like fucking hemmed up for murder right, Like he might be an asshole, but he's not a murderer.

So it.

Kind of irritated me because he needed to hear all those things and she deserved to get to say all those things, but for it to immediately swing back to now I've got to be in a position to protect and save him, Like I guess, you know, it's fine, and I understand we're telling the story here and we need to move the plot along, like let her have that please.

Yeah, yeah, I fully agree, and also feel like that's that had to have been on purpose to be frustrating, But it does feel like, like, compounded with the fact that she's made to look a little heartless at the beginning of the episode, it's just like, well, guys, do you really are you on her side or not?

Clearly?

Not clearly?

Yeah, Like she is made in some ways the heavy of the episode, and I feel like it's like a bad choice.

Yeah, yeah, it is like, I don't know, there's Uh.

It feels in some ways like this was meant to be an earlier episode and that they were going to sort of set up Murphy's personality a bit more here.

But because it's so late in the game, it, you know, like if you're creating a sort of situation where it's like, we're gonna show you what this character is made of and who they are, and this is more at the beginning them it being written that you're not sure if they're on her side or not feels a little bit more purposeful as a storytelling device of like we're just going to present the facts and you decide.

But this late in the game, and with the way the rest of the story is being told, it definitely feels like, no, you should be on her side, you should be more what's the word I want, not decisive, definitive, I guess, but yeah, it just feels like a little bit tricksy, a little bit tricksy.

So eventually her father is cleared because he was at the wake of his friend who quote ate his gun.

I hate that phrasing a lot, and Harry has managed to convince her that this dirty cop is the guy so we see Carmini calling him up, pretending that her father's what do you call it, alibi is faulty actually, and we're poking holes in it, and maybe you want to get over here, you know, and finally being like, no, it's cool.

Uh take your time, nobody hears going anywhere.

You just carry on with your murder that you're about.

And I understand we're doing this so as to lull him into the sense of security, so that we can spot him when he does this, and it'll be a fun little ambush.

But here's my issue with it.

This first murder takes a millisecond to complete, and now we have him abducting a woman and bringing her to another location, and for what reason there's no need to do this.

We have seen that there's no need to do this.

In fact, doing it this way is putting himself in a lot more danger.

Why all of a sudden do we change up our entire mo If you're able to just walk past somebody in the street and jab them and do the job that way, look at it.

There is absolutely no reason why this needed to take this long.

And this is what I'm talking about, you guys, with having a method apply in the opening scene, but then not applying like that at all in the next scene or the final scene.

This happens all the time, but usually the way that they play it is that something takes a lot longer the first time because we need the drama of seeing it happen, and we need the drama of the transformation or the magic occurring and all of all of the swelling score that goes along with that, and then later it weirdly takes much much less because it's convenient.

This is coming up to reverse supernatural, Yeah.

And supernatural.

It's like, you know, the one that I always think of is the shape shifter who it takes ages for him to shift the first time we see it because we're watching it and it's horrible and we're supposed to see that.

But then later it's like he can shift in a millisecond and it's over here.

It's it's the reverse.

And obviously we are setting it up this way so that we can have him be caught, because if he is able to do it this fast, how do you manage it?

Figure it out, guys, you wrote it.

Figure it out.

If you're gonna have somebody murdered on the street, the way you do.

You have to come up with a similar method later or change the opening scenes method.

You don't get to do both.

This is silly, it's ridiculous.

It's bad writing, and it's not thought through, and it's cheap and lazy.

And yet here we are, Here we are, and.

I'm sorry.

So the reason they're able to catch him, plus to your excellent points, the fact that this is taking fucking forever and he has to like go to this woman in first knock or unconscious instead of just hitting her with the brand is Carmini is the one who calls Munzer and they trace the call to get his GPS location, and the whole squad it seems like the whole squad runs out, but when we get to the actual crime scene, it appears to just be it's at first it's just Harry and Murphy for a very long for a very long while, and then the backup is Dad, right.

Which doesn't feel like that should be because he was just arrested very recent.

Here was just a suspect a second ago.

Where is everybody else?

Why are we?

Why are we?

I guess it's fun, but the fact that it's Dad running in there, Uh, you know, not on the forest.

He's got no jurisdiction to be pulling a gun on anybody.

And then gets gets stabbed.

He gets stabbed, right, he doesn't get shot.

I think he gets stabbed.

Does he get stabbed?

I thought he just got branded.

Is it a brand?

Yeah, because he has the brand and uses it to suck his life.

Right right right, y'are right, that's what it is.

So he uses the brand on the dad like in an instant, but with the girl he's just.

Gone again once.

We're just like, this is whiplash.

Yep, You've got to stay somewhat consistent.

It's embarrassing.

It's embarrassing.

I'm embarrassed for you.

It's so pitiful.

How uh and yeah, as you're pointing out, going right back to it being a very easy murder to commit.

A second later, why did he drag her here?

Then?

Why did we need to do any of this?

You didn't.

The short answer is you did not need to do this.

But here we are.

I mean, I mean, I don't know how far he died.

He goes into the building where the girl is and just sort of knocks her unconscious and then drags her like towards the back, so maybe he was.

It's the same building.

I thought he had brought her back to his little lair where his eyes all this shit was.

I think he's in the same It's it's weird because like when he comes in, it's like a closed restaurant, you know, like it's like some fancy restaurant where they're at like the no Frios, and even says, oh okay, and he kind of like drags her out of the main dining room into like a maybe like towards the back of the house a little bit.

And then the fight.

Scene where he kills the dad or almost kills the dad or kills the dad and all that stuff.

This is all happening in an area that looks to be not in use, Like there's classic covering everything.

It looks like they're in some weird ass warehouse.

But they didn't go anywhere, so I don't know.

I don't know.

And then we have Murphy trying to like rescue her father and doing CPR and all this jazz and it doesn't work, and I think Harry saves him by using the brand a second time.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's basically like the the old I'm sorry, guys, but I'm just going to compare it to the old like sitcom of you got hit on the head.

It became smart when normally he's a dumb character.

Hit him on the head again, and now he's back to normal.

And so Murphy's got her gun on him while she's, you know, h engulfed in the grief of her father died, and it's looking like she's just gonna fucking shoot him, and he is giving her this, Aye, you can't shoot me.

I'm a good guy.

I'm a cop, just like you.

They were all fucking criminals, you know.

I'm just a good cop, just like your dad.

And it looks like when he says just like your dad, that's gonna be the thing that pushes her over the edge, right yeah, And we're really thinking that, like, oh my god, Murphy's going to kill this fucking guy.

No, she is not going to kill this guy.

She's not get the fuck out of here.

Get the fuck out of here.

Nobody thinks that.

And she tells, you're nothing like my father, and then we have her dad coming in and saying that's enough.

Again again, that's enough, And she was so disgusted, sobbing and hysterical tears are streaming down her face and Harry, I get that.

It's supposed to be such a Oh that's enough, because he's alive, and it's supposed to you know, but it don't feel like that because of the way it went.

And it does, and she doesn't put her gun down to react.

She doesn't react to the fact that he's alive.

Surprise.

Yeah, And then there's Harry.

Yeah.

Harry comes over and gets her to lower her gun, and then she comes back to herself and and she goes and she hugs her father and it does big long embrace.

She's sobbing in his arms.

And Yeah.

Then it cuts to Harry and Bob talking about basically that this cop has got arrested and it's going to be charged.

And Harry's got the brand in his hand and does some magic and just sort of disintegrates it.

And we're just supposed to believe that this guy who's been using clearly some type of magic, most likely black magic, is going to go into the criminal justice system and the system is going.

To handle it.

Yeah, And Bob says he's going to be incarcerated for the rest of his life, and Harry says, yeah, it looks like it, which sort of implies that they have like a very good case against him.

And I have to say where.

Exactly exactly, like, don't mention that he has to be incarcerated or have him murdered.

Have something happened to him that causes his death?

Maybe you use the brand and all of the lives, including his that has been saying it's taken out because he should have died a bunch of times and didn't you know, like you could do use that again.

But no, but no, but no, it has to be this thing with the law because this is a procedural episode in a way that the others have also been allegedly but not really.

And it's the worst episode to do this with, in my opinion, because there have been too many witnesses to too many weird things, including the fact that the man who drowned was standing on the street when it happened, and nobody seems to give a shit about that part.

And then there's a moment where Bob is talking to Harry about this brand and like whether or not he's going to keep it and use it, and I think that's supposed to be a moment of tension as well, like, will Harry keep this thing around?

No, he's not.

Of course he's not.

Of course he's of course.

Right, right, So I don't know what that was supposed to be.

And then final, final, final, icing win the cake is the dad coming back to see Harry and basically be like, everything that you've been doing for her, that you do for her, please.

Keep doing it, which nobody asked you, and he doesn't need you to tell him.

Your daughter still doesn't want you in her business.

Remember that part where she yelled at you for that.

No, of course you don't, Diddy says, whatever the police are paying you, it's not.

Enough, agreed at least on that account.

Yeah, And then we have Murphy coming in to be like, hey, we gotta go if you're gonna catch your flight, because now they are she now she's taking him to the airport because they have reconciled.

And then Harry has this the moment with Karen or Connie at the end here where he's like, your dad is like telling me that I should keep looking out for you, and I just wanted your opinion on it, and it's very light and like flirty, and she thanks him for everything with this look that is very much like, oh, are they going to kiss again?

For real this time?

You know, what's what's happening here?

And uh yeah, she's apologizes for slapping like you said before and says, you know, it won't happen again.

And it's really definitely like, are they going to kiss?

Are they gonna kiss?

But they don't kiss?

She they sure don't.

She kind of smirks and laughs and walks away and leaves Harry standing in his doorway contemplating.

Three that is Connie Murphy, my god.

And then he takes the sign on his door and switches it to closed.

Because it's the last episode.

Because the last episode, Hello.

Hello, hello, all right, we're gonna go down here.

On final judgments, Rasehan out of ten no, yeah, yeah, ten out of ten stars.

What would you give this show as a whole.

US three and a half.

That's fair, Yeah, generous.

In fact, yeah, I'm being very generous.

I say that.

I am glad we did it just because well, first of all, I just wanted you to understand why people react the way that they do when they hear this show mentioned.

But also perhaps people are right and we're gonna have like this be a weird alternate to mention that does show up in the books, which would be very funny, and it wouldn't be nearly as funny if you didn't get it, so at least we would have that.

But I have my dadt some whether or not that's really gonna yeah for me, I think I think A three two and a half.

It's just it's so poorly thought out, you guys.

Really is like the high points the why it gets three and a half are really for things like I enjoyed Bob, right, so they get a little they get a.

Little something for that Bob was fun.

Jesus, is it really just Bob?

What about Bob?

Like that's the best I can say is might might be Bob.

Yeah, guys, it's not look good.

It's not look good.

I think Bob is carrying And if and if I can only come up with Bob, then I like I have to reconsider my three and a half.

Like, I mean, Bob was good, but.

I don't know, maybe it's maybe it's more like a two and a half or three stars.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's like Bob is the one bright point and then and then there's like the it's like the almost insulting quality of how there is one episode where Harry's got the right kind of apartment and mister is present and we see the blue beetle and all of these like little things are are there that just service further teasers of what we could have had, which makes it much worse and harder to get, like to accept what we wind up with.

So I think that's like what counts against it so much more for me is knowing that they had like the set built, they had picked a cat actor, and then some asshole decided no, no, no, we don't need any of that, and I just resent deeply that we were so close.

The show was so bad.

I'm like looking at Nicholas Kege side eye, now.

Oh my god, you should have been though, and what as the rest of my sentence, And I was already looking at him side eye, so now it's just like staring at him from the back of my head just w oh man.

Yeah, So it's I'm like I said, I'm glad we did it.

I feel like whenever I watch a show this bad, it makes me very frustrated at the people who have talent that don't get recognized, and then the people who do get jobs because The people who are responsible for this shouldn't be working in writing.

They are not good at it.

Perhaps again it's interference from somebody else and they wrote something way better, and then they had whomever is responsible.

Oops.

Oops, they shouldn't have the job they have.

You aren't good at this.

I really I want to behind the scenes.

I want to what happened and where do we go wrong.

Somebody somewhere blogged about this ten or fifteen years ago, and I see to find it.

It's probably one tumblr somewhere.

That's the best guess.

Definitely have to have to ask our friend Candide.

I know that there are some like extra features on like the DVD, but of course it goes with us saying I will not be purchasing that.

Oh yeah, no, that's not happening.

Anybody who has the DVDs, if you want to give us a little rundown of the special features like the highlights and just let us know about it.

How did they answer for their crimes?

That's what we want to know.

What we would like is some sort of satisfaction in the dueling sense.

I demand satisfaction.

Consider yourself smack with a white glove.

I definitely thought you were going to say with a wet no thank you, but yeah, it's I'm glad we did it.

I'll leave it there.

Yeah, I'm glad we did it.

I'm glad it's done.

This is how I feel about a lot of like media out there, where I don't want to go through the watching of it, but I want to have watched it.

Hmm.

You know what I'm saying.

I do.

I get that, I get that, that's that fucking let's just let's not say we did yeah kind of thing.

Yeah.

I wish that I could have the experience of having watched it to look back on without actually having to do the.

Having Yeah yeah, somebody who just downloaded into my brain for me, so it's just there without me actually having to have experienced it, but that it's available to me to to reference yea when I when I need to.

As a giant scaredy cat, I feel this way about a lot of horror movies.

Well I really would have liked to see it, like to have seen it, but I don't want to see it.

Yeah yeah, yeah, you know, well, this was definitely a little bit of a horror show.

But I was right there.

I didn't see it coming though that's funny.

So, yeah, this is the thing we did.

For following along with us and putting yourself through this, I have Oh sorry, go ahead.

I was just gonna say, I.

Was gonna say for those people who have a sentimental or soft spot for this show because it led them to the books, I like completely get that one understand how that could be a thing.

And I'm so happy for you that you got the book that for you, you know what I mean, Like, I'm glad you got to the books because they're they're delightful for the most part.

In like whatever however we find ours was there at least we got there.

But for someone who has already read the books and then come to the show, I'm sad for us.

Yeah, I'm so sad for us, and I'm sorry we had to do this.

I did want to like talk about what we're going to be doing after this, because you know, we had been hoping that the next book would be at least like announced by the time we finished this, and that has not happened.

Some folks are theorizing that it's going to be coming out later than originally thought, and in the meantime, we have to replace this with something, and I have had some thoughts.

I was thinking about the Night Country season of True Detective.

I also thought, and this is something that we have talked about briefly before, but there's never really been a chance to fit something like this in and now we kind of have it.

And I'm curious to see how you'd feel about doing something like Pride and Prejudice.

I have historically never had any interest in any of those books.

I've never wanted to read the books.

I've never been drawn to any of the movies.

They just don't spark anything in me, like curiosity or anything like that.

So I don't know anything about those books.

I'm completely unspoiled, even though they're classics.

And I'm saying books because there's a group of them.

I don't know if they're all by the same people.

Yeah, I think you're just thinking of Jane Austen books in general in general, right, Like, I've never read it.

I've never read any of those.

I have no idea if I'd like them or not.

I can just say i've always hit not interested whenever they come into my life.

Yep.

So I have no idea what I would think of them if I would be bored by them or like frustrated or I have no idea.

Are you thinking about reading it or are you thinking about covering like A is it?

No, it would definitely be reading it.

Okay.

I know there are movies.

I don't know if there's ever been any movie.

There's a trillion.

Yeah, I don't know if there's ever been any limited series then of them, like you know what I mean.

There's BBC series for sure, which is, in my opinion, the superior version, and I think most people would agree, but it's not the same I want.

So here's my thinking here.

I completely get why you have had no interest, and I think that is totally fair.

But also I think that it's really easy to when when you haven't read them and you just know that, like generally they're kind of romances, to have an idea of what they're going to be that isn't necessarily what the writing turns out to be, if that makes sense.

What I'm saying is the writing is excellent and very funny in the an extremely dry way, and I think that's what you will enjoy.

I feel like I can go out on a limon and say that you'll like these, you'll like, I won't say that we would do all of them.

I would only want to cover pride and prejudice and stick with that.

But I feel pretty confident because of knowing your sense of humor that these would hit for you.

So I kind of want to do them and just putting it out there, folks, listen if you would be interested in hearing that, or if you would rather we did something else.

I am not saying that I will, you know, cave to the audience, but I am willing to hear you out if you have any other suggestions as well, and you know this won't be the only like they're very very well, maybe time for us to do multiple things before the next dress in book.

And it's kind of fun to have this time to do it in you know, are you watching Severance?

No, but you have told me the whole plot.

Oh damn it me and my big.

Enough is on that one, so good, so good.

Season two is about the drop.

You should be like, you should be getting yourself ready.

Well, I also don't want to start on something that isn't finished, because no, I just I just mean for you to watch like, oh for me to watch it?

Yeah, like get yourself ready Season two is coming, so if you haven't watched season one yet, you should watch it so that you can watch season two because it's really good.

This is just one I to you, like and whoever else is listening, Like, if you guys haven't watched Severance, it's really good.

If I hadn't already made you watch Succession, that's probably what I would really want to cover with you.

Oh you know what's really good too for you to watch.

It's like, oh my goodness, she's very insistent shrinking on Apple.

I have gotten that recommended to me so many things I really do need to watch.

It's so good.

It is such a like affirming situation.

And couldn't we could cover that?

No, No, it's really good.

It's got a lot of like good stuff in it.

I think, you know, we could probably could.

They just finished airing season two, so they have two seasons in the can, but it's not finished yet.

I'm assuming a third season is coming, but like you know, you just never know what these these these sites anymore, like you know what they're going to put their money into do again.

But it was really well received, so I think it's going to be a third season.

I loved it.

I just loved it.

It was really really good, and it's funny.

It's fucking funny, and it's I didn't realize that was still in production, so probably want to put a pin in it until Yeah, but it is from uh.

Uh Brett Goldstein, who was Roy Kent.

Is one of the people behind it, and it's really fucking good.

But like I said, I don't know if there's going to be a third season or not, so, but uh, that's definitely something that you should put on your list of things to watch.

Okay, No, yeah, all.

Right, well, uh yeah, I guess let us know, guys, and if it ends up being Prime and Prejudice, I guess my high school English teacher will finally be be vindicated.

I kind of yeah, I'm really interested in that one.

Just it's a good one off.

If you really like it.

We could cover other books of hers, but that, for me is the most known.

For a good reason.

Yeah, for a long time I thought I had read it.

I was just under the impression that I had read it, because I you know, when you go down like through the classics English literature, classics, I've read a lot of them just from school.

But turns out no, I haven't.

That's very funny to me.

It's just been like I could have sworn.

It's the same way I always think that I've read Little Women, Like I'm convinced that I've read Little Women.

I've probably said that I've read it.

But you know what, guys, I don't think I ever actually have.

I think I've just soaked up so much of it through osmosis that it very much feels like.

That's one of my favorite books of all time, and I had forgotten that you haven't read it, And now I'm kind of like, wait, what about that though?

Oh no, but no, but.

They're both like from an outsider, they live in the same world.

To me, I completely get why it's not really at all, you know, I get why that would happen.

So there's a whole host of books that occupy that sort of very superficial similarity that I just never got into, just never got into.

So yeah, all right, Well, thank you guys so much for hanging out with us and for listening and hoping that some people have been listening to this without actually watching the show at all, and that must be.

What must they think is happening.

I hope we did an adequate job.

And yeah, say that's what the writers or the show said when they were dead.

Oh my god, I hope we did an adequate job.

So she did not, oh you know what.

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