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And today we're going to talk about your new film and the works about psychic spies.

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Yeah, the psychic spy stuff is really interesting to me.

I got interested in it going through the MK Ultra programs.

So I found out that the CIA was actually funding the Rockefeller Foundation for Behavioral Science, which is psychology, and a few of those studies were on gifted people.

This was back in the fifties.

They were funding work into Duke University, Harvard and things like that.

And that's where things get really weird because mk Ultra also had subprojects studying gifted people, more specifically Subproject eighty three in Subproject one thirty six, which was dedicated to the research and development of ESP and psychic abilities.

There's actually a document on the CIA's website called Hypnosis and Control Behavior that says, if there's a situation where hypnosis can be applied on a target individuals or groups, this is from the CIA.

Okay, you can guarantee that it will be used.

The CIA also fundering SRI International for developmental research into ESP and psychic abilities called remote viewing.

The CIA chief at that time, Stansfield Turner, said that the agency found a man who could see what was going on anywhere in the world through his psychic powers.

Turner said the CIA scientists and officials would show the man a picture of any place and he would then describe the activity that was going on there.

At that time, seems pretty important thing to have, especially for the CIA at that time.

During the Cold War.

I said, these were going on are in the same time as the mk ultra experiments are relatively the same time.

Well arguably mk Ultra could have been started in the fifties or in the sixties.

It ran for about twenty five to thirty years, officially, stopping in officially in nineteen seventy five.

So the studies go, I mean, we have psychic people going back decades and decades and even centuries.

You know, they were called shamans.

There were you know, only supposed to be imbued upon the enlightened people.

But it's essentially all the same thing.

There's different labels to all of this stuff.

And remote viewing kind of was an SRI coined term.

Came from the Chinese study into remote viewing and psychic abilities and children.

So when Stansfield Turner said that they had found this man like you see what was going on anywhere in the world.

That man's name was Pat Price.

But the CIA cut ties with SRI in seventy five when Pat Price suspiciously died he was found in a hotel room in Vegas.

Russell Targan, how put off, then went to the Foreign Technology division at RYE Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio to try and get funding for SRI through the Air Force.

Now dell Graf worked there and eventually became the operations manager for the DIA Stargate program at Fort Mead, Maryland.

Later on and around the early nineties nineteen ninety to nineteen ninety one, but the Air Force picked up the funding to SRI.

To continue this investigation into remote unit psychic abilities, an ESP dell Graph put together a small remote viewing unit at RYE.

Patterson Air Force Base.

They then received tasking to find a missing Russian airplane that downed somewhere in Africa.

Rosemary Smith, which was part of the remote Viewing unit at right Patterson Air Force Base.

This was like an unofficial small unit that dell Graph had put together.

He gave give her a map, like a large area map, and said can you find this TU twenty two down Russian airplane?

And then she put an X on the map where she had seen the visions and the psychic impressions of where she believed that it was.

He then turned that into the CIA and they converted where she put that X on a map into a coordinate.

They then went to where she said that she thought that it was, which was in Africa, and then they found the missing airplane exactly where she said that it was.

President Jimmy Carter then talked about this mission in an interview in nineteen ninety five.

It's very difficult to find that interview, but it's on my YouTube channel Raised by Giants, and it will also be in the upcoming documentary Psychic Agent.

But the funding by the Air Force stopped to SRI in nineteen eight and then the Right Patterson Air Force Base unofficial unit was disbanded, but Army Intelligence was forming another remote viewing group at for ME called Grill Flame, which was to use psychic abilities with gifted people to collect intelligence data on foreign targets.

But then you also have the Monroe Institute, which was founded by Robert Monroe in nineteen seventy four that created this technology called Hemi Sync to induce an out of body experience.

This has connections to the DIA Stargate program because when Grill Flame first opened up, which it changed its name a lot of times, it changed it to Center Lane Sun Streak, and then it finally landed upon Stargate in ninety one.

Army Intelligence sent their site gets to the Monroe Institute.

They paid Robert Monroe two thousand dollars to see if Robert Monroe's tapes would help the remote viewers be more accurate.

It's called perfect sight integration, where the viewer can duplicate their physical body and travel in their astra body to anywhere in the world and then collect information.

Now, let me ask you, the hymn Sync was allowing the remote viewers to also leave their bodies, now, is what you're saying.

Well, that's the thing is that that is the goal with the Hemi Sink tapes is to induce an out of body experience.

But a lot of the remote viewers had already been having out of body experiences.

Yes, specifically Angela Ford, she would have out of body experiences every time, all the time whenever she was young.

Ingo Swan would also have out of body experiences due to trauma from being bullied whenever he was younger for being gay.

So that's like a part of it.

But INGOs One had developed this terminology to be able to get outside of your body.

That was called perfect side integration, where you could literally go to another area of the world and your body is physically duplicated into an asterol body and then you can feel the invit.

It's like it's like remote viewing on steroids is essentially what you can.

You can then affect the environment, you can move things around, like it's almost like your physical body has is also there, but it's not quite your physical body.

It's just like a duplicated version of your physical body.

But this is also it really seems to me that trauma induces these types of abilities, and trauma also induces in out of body experience, like if you go through enough trauma, you're inevitably going to disassociate from your reality.

And sometimes you know how people whenever they go through trauma, they're like, oh, I seen this from a far distance.

It was like I was up in the corner of the room and I was looking down on myself.

That's a forced out of body experience through trauma.

And with the MK Ultra programs what they were doing, it seems as if the MK Ultra programs were inadvertently creating gifted individuals, which is that would be of course, the ones that survived that didn't go catatonic and you know, weren't able to get over the trauma or disassociate.

They stayed within their physical body, like you know a lot of the people at Raven's Crag in Canada, which also the Rockefeller Foundation provided a grant to help found the Allen Memorial Institute aka Ravens Craig Hospital that supported doctor Hughan Cameron's MK Ultra experiments and upwards of one hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year for five years.

And then there was also grants that happened after that as well.

Super interesting man, tell us again, who are you?

Who do you have in the film?

All confirmed people within the DIA Army Intelligence Remote Viewing Unit at Fort Mead, so Angela Ford Dell graf Dell Graph was the operations manager, which I was just mentioning that had the small remove viewing unit at Ry Paterson Air Force Base Limb Buchanan, which the movie The Minister at Goes is kind of semi based off of.

And then doctor David Moorehouse.

Oh well, we won't give away too much.

Then, well, with doctor Hughan Cameron, he's one of the ones that created the technology of psyche driving.

He would all these sessions with patients and he would have a patient listen back to one of those tapes, and then he noticed that one of his patients had a visceral reaction to hearing a certain part of this tape.

So he started making her listen to this tape over and over and over again, day in and day out for months, and it's pretty soon he was doing this with all of his patients.

Now, the people that were experimented on it, Ravens Craig ended up getting together and sued the CIA and they settled out of court for around eight hundred thousand dollars.

Now, the psyche driving thing is essentially a programming, right, so if you can, there's three steps to it, so it's called deep patterning.

So he would essentially traumatize these people through torture and you know, just fill in the blanks.

Then he would drug them.

And this was an array of drugs.

See, a lot of people believe that mk Ultra was just about LSD were just doing a little No.

There was over one hundred and fifty different drugs that were tested on within the mk Ultra program, some of them including caffeine, amphetamine, antidepressants, antipsychotics, marijuana, like all of it.

All of it was essentially tested on.

And a lot of people don't know that Sidney Gottlieb, which was ahead of the mk Ultra programs, I'm pretty much the only person that's ever brought this up before.

He had a brother named David Gottlieb, which was a plant biologist.

So it stands to reason that Sidney Gottlieb was probably getting some of these compounds of these drugs from his brother, which was a plant biologist.

I don't think that you would do all of these experiments with all these types of drugs and have a brother that's a plant biologist and not utilize what he would be concocting in some sort of CIA designer drug.

So with the psychic driving things, so it's a deep patterning.

They remove all of your normal thinking patterns, rational thought, cognitive beliefs, and then through traumatization and then they drug you with an array of drugs and then they psychically drive you.

Now, the psychic driving can be anything.

It could be anything could be on the looped audio message that he was giving.

And then if you could take that a step further and put in a TV right, so you would not only be getting looped audio messages, but you would also be getting visual messages.

Now, this isn't something that's official that they were actually doing, but I'm common sense says that it developed that it turned into something even more.

That's just the official one.

The looped audio message.

Well, you could take that a step further and you could take it to virtual reality.

Right, you can take a headset put over the person, have them feeding audio into their brain and also a visual stimulus to make them believe something that didn't even happen, or make them believe something about themselves that wasn't even real, or something that was real and make them believe that it wasn't real.

It works both ways.

And we know that the military has been using video games to training their soldiers for decades now.

They'll use simulations, they'll use video games, They'll take a gun that is just as heavy as a real gun and have them shoot imaginary video game targets.

They'll use data simulations to do explosions and tanks and all of that.

They've been doing that for a really long time.

So it only stands to reason that this is going to develop into something more and that would be the next step of the MK Ultra program would be to depattern them right through trauma, drug them, and then have this stimulus of something on a TV or even a stuff further would be virtual reality.

And then when you look at our environment and how the world has shaped, over fifty percent of the people in the United States is in some form of pharmaceutical medication.

We are constantly being traumatized through the media and these events that are happening around us all the time, and then we're being psychically driven through the TV, through social media, through programming to get the same talking points over and over and over again.

I mean, there's this clip by George Bush that is like George Bush Junior, I was like, I'm going to repeat it.

I'm going to repeat it a bunch of time because you got to repeat it several times for them to really drive home the narrative.

They really catapult the propaganda, all right.

So that's that's obviously a technique that has carried over from these MK ultra programs is just putting the same thing up on the screen over and over and over and over again, regardless if it's real or not.

If you can make people believe that it's real, it doesn't matter if it actually is or not.

As long as the perception is there that it is now.

I wanted to ask you, I don't want to get too far away from the mk Ultra.

But the mk Ultra programs were wild, dude.

They were doing all kinds of wild They had so many wild thoughts and crazy ideas.

There was one that was to during World War Two was to paint a bunch of foxes with radio active material and throw them off the ship of the coast of Japan, and that the Japanese would see this as like an omen or a sign from the gods, and that they would surrender like wild stuff.

They were going to poison the president of Cuba at that time.

What was his name, Yeah, Fidel Castro.

They're going to poison Fidel Castro with put something in his cigars to poison him.

They were going to put some things in his shoes that would make him lose his hair, like just stuff.

But there was this book that was written in nineteen seventy eight by Walter H.

Baward, which was called Operation Mind Control that really exposed was the entire alien and abduction phenomenon where the military would get these kids to dress up as gray aliens and the military would abduct their target.

The Sudden and the kid would then act as aliens, and they would have the set all made up, and then they would use these drugs and this weapon that was called a stun gun, which would act as like a memory suppressor.

So then later on when the sudden individual got that would it would make them like black out right, It would make them like kind of raise the thought in the memory from their head.

And then you know, years later, or maybe a little bit of time later, they would be like, oh, man, I guess I'm missing time.

Something really strange must have happened.

Then these memories will start kind of coming back to them of this experience that they had with these aliens.

Okay, but they were really just kids dressed up in gray alien outfits.

I can only imagine where things like that have progressed to in our in our modern age.

But that's a whole other show.

So how long were they running these psychic spy programs.

Well, if you count it from the time that they started funding SRI, the CIA funding SRI was from nineteen seventy two, but if you're not then it would be seventy eight, whenever the Army first started implementing the remote viewing stuff in to Army Intelligence for MEAD, which was grow Flame, but then they shut down that program and then they turned it into Sunstreak and Center Lane, and then it eventually set aed on Stargate.

So officially, Army Intelligence had a program from seventy eight and then it got transferred to the DIA, and it became a DIA under the umbrella of the DoD Special Access Program in eighty five, and then it ran for ten more years under the DIA and the DoD to nineteen ninety five.

Any thoughts on how they're integrating it other than what you said earlier.

Obviously, with the drugs and social media and virtual reality, basically that we live in seem to have been experimentation to get us to a certain point and beyond.

But any thoughts on where else these programs might have been integrated into.

Well, I mean, every facet of our existence has essentially been turned into some sort of MK Ultra style program style syop.

Right now when you talk about the the type of stranger thing aspect of this, because people are probably wondering, oh, well, this is interesting, this is cool, but where does the where does the experimentation on kids come in right.

Well, we know that there were these programs set up as Team Beyond Behavioral Modification schools Okay in Utah, some in state New York, Okay, where kids would literally be abducted from their home where their parents would pay this company to come and abduct their kid, but handcuff them, blindfold them, throw them in the back of a suv sometimes on an airplane, a private airplane, and fly them wherever they wherever this facility was.

Okay.

So, some of those first ones started in Utah, and then it kind of spread out all over the United States and into Arizona, into New York and one of those is called Ivy Ridge in New York.

So and a lot of the people that were involved in these Team Behavioral Health Modification schools described them as a form of mk ULTRA.

Some of the exact same techniques that were used on them are the same types of techniques that you can read about in these mk ULTRA documents.

One hundred and forty nine subprojects of mk ULTRA.

Now, if you get into the Twilight Learner program, which was developed by a psychiatrist named Thomas H.

Bodinsky, it was a neurofeedback program which was started in Colorado, which was dubbed Pink Noise to help produce relaxation facilitate learning.

And this one is kind of a big one, which is the alter mental states.

Kind of sounds similar to the Monroe Institute.

Right, the Twilight Learner program is referred to as a sleep state suggestion experiments.

Now, it's possible that the tapes that Thomas Badinsky used was some of the tapes that the Monroe Institute was also using.

Still doing research into this, but I know somebody that was a part of the Twilight Learner program in Colorado that has some of these tapes.

She can't play them yet because she doesn't have a cassette tape recorder.

But I do know someone that has these tapes.

So I'm trying to figure out a way to play these tapes to see if they are any way connected to the Monroe Institute eight Way tapes, because this is a very important connection.

There's the school gate programs, which were gifted individuals public school programs, right, And there's also the Gateway program.

So there's the and then there's a Stargate program.

So all this stuff gets very convoluted and kind of all mixed together because it all has gate at the end of it.

So, bro, have you seen Wayward Pines on Netflix?

Yes, that the abducting of kids bringing them to this experimental school.

That's exactly what that show is about.

That's exactly what the show is about.

And there's also another show called The Institute on MGM plus.

It's a show that's based off of Stephen King's book The Institute, where kids are abducted out of their home taken to this facility because they have psychic abilities and psychic problems.

Is Crazy, which is a really good show.

I highly recommend it.

And when I saw that, I was like, holy shit, this is basically my documentary in a nutshell.

I mean, this is a you know, Hollywood version of what I believe it was happening on some levels.

So you have the Twilight Learner Program, which Thomas A.

Shbadinsky initially worked as an aerospace engineer in southern California, including working on a top secret classified projects at Area fifty one on the SR seventy one Blackbird, which is so interesting.

It's a tidbit of information how a lot of these guys always seem to work for some sort of Aerospace company, and then switch into psychology an experimentation on the human mind.

But you have the gate programs in school.

Now this is how it's connected to the Monroe Institute Gateway tapes, because there's been this flurry of online activity around the Gate programs because people are thinking back to them and thinking, oh, that's that was kind of freaking weird.

I was being pulled out of class.

I was had these really strange I was asked to do these really strange things like mess with ropes, mess with blocks.

There was a guy that was telling me to say what's on the flash card without having to see what's on the flash card.

I had these really weird, strange hearing tests.

They would do really weird, strange vision tests.

And this would happen periodically through my upbringing in public school.

And what's triggering a lot of these people is this clip of this hearing test that was done and a lot of people remember this was you should be hearing my voice in your right ear, And that's triggering a lot of people to bring back this memory of these hearing tests that was done in public school.

Now it turns out that that tape is the Monroe Institute Gateway tapes.

Whoa So, how did the Monroe Institute gateway tapes end up in public school?

And why did they end up in public school and why were they using this as an experiment on children in the seventies, the late seventies, eighties, and nineties.

It is super interesting.

And they've also a lot of people have said that they were told to drink some type of sink.

Drink, yeah, pink.

Drink, yellow drinks, And depending on where they were and where they lived in what state that they were in, they were told it was for a different reason.

Not everybody got the same reason as to why they needed to ingest this liquid.

Some people was told it's for that it was vitamins.

Other people were told that it was vaccines.

Other people were told that it was asthma medication, you know.

And then some of the programs too, depending on where you lived in the United States, depended on what the excuse was for why your kid needed to be a part of the program.

Some of them were, Oh, he's a genius, he needs or they need or the girl or whoever it is, they're a genius.

They need to be put inside of a special type of program.

Before advanced learning kids.

Other people, it was he's an unruly child, he has ADHD, he has all these problems.

He can't sit still, he needs to be put in a special class.

So if you were in California during this period of time, you would probably be told, oh, well, your kid needs special attention because he's a really he's very smart, he's scoring very high on a lot of these tests.

We need to put him into a special class.

He needs to be put into it.

And the parents were like, okay, yes, do it, do it whatever.

And then if you were in I don't know, Ohio or Pennsylvania or some place northern East coast, more likely that it would be your kid is unruly, your kid can't say still, he's got problems, he's being disruptive in class.

He needs to be put into a special class to where with other kids that are like him.

And the parents, yes, yes, put me in.

So they're using different techniques and different reasons for why the kids need to be put into a gifted classroom, depending on what location you live in during that time.

And these ran from They had to have started in the late seventies, yeah, in through the eighties, and probably ended in the late nineties, and a lot of people remember these programs.

They remember them very vividly.

Now there is a possibility that it didn't have anything to do with psychic abilities.

There is a possibility that it had something to do with recruitment, right, that it had to do with putting people in positions of power.

I'm sure it's multi layered.

All of these operations seemed to have multiple purposes going on.

At one time, they're trying to create assassins and at the same time looking at spying at people across the world.

It's you know, they seem to have multiple purposes for their stuff.

Well, a lot of people that I have talked to personally that of finished out these types of programs, like the school Gate programs, Yeah, or MGM Mentally Gifted Minds, that's what it was known at as in California.

They all ended up in some form of military.

Service really.

Or in I've talked to some people that knew some family members that were a part of these programs that are had writers for the New York Post or yeah, you know what I mean.

Like it, it's really strange.

It could be some kind of grooming program.

It makes me wonder if what they're doing if they're still doing this now with the access of technology, and like you were saying earlier, the ability to get kids hooked on prescriptions and constantly be in a state where they are susceptible to hypnosis or some kind of you know, getting them to do something, but you know, through technology.

Now instead of having to actually bring the kid to a specific class or kidnap them anymore, it may be just easier to access through this stuff.

Yeah, easily accessed through technology and meet the people with the kids where they are online.

Just like the most recent Rockefeller collaboration with famous influencer mister Beast, That's what they talked about is to help children, really we need to meet the kids where they are, and where they are is online.

Yeah, So it's definitely a technology based way now.

And I really don't think except in maybe a special scenario or a special case, that they would even need to use a psychic anymore.

Because everything is tracked online.

Everybody has a phone.

You can know the location of where anybody is at any given moment.

You know, track the IP address, you know exactly where they are.

You know, there's pegas' software that could all you literally need to do is have the person's phone number and you could hack whatever.

You can literally have a duplicate copy of their phone exactly what they're doing every single day on your computer.

So the tracking and the data collection no longer needs to be done through a psychic individual.

It's not just technology.

I want to get your thoughts on some of the things that I've heard over the years that may be associated with these remote viewers or psychic spies.

Many have said that when you are out of body, are your remote viewing, that there may be some sort of psychic block or someone else that is out in the astral waiting for people to stop them from accessing certain information certain areas.

Do you think that's true.

I mean, it could be true in a sense, but hiring people to do that seems kind of silly, you know what I mean, Yeah, let's hire these military astral travel people.

It is because you can't really be doing this while you're out just like doing everyday normal life, Like you can't be outside of your body while you're washing the dishes, like you have to be in a certain meditative state and a certain deep consciousness level that allows you to get outside of your body and then to be able to even control that, to know how to control to get outside of your body is very difficult to do.

I don't think that anybody can actually do it verbatim every single time that they try.

It's normally something that just kind of happens.

Now there's something, there are ways to try and induce it.

You can try and do breath work really late at night when you're melatonin is the most highest in your brain, and you might be able to get outside of your body doing it that way.

But it's not something that you can just lay down and expect to immediately get outside of your body.

It's just not the way that it works.

So I highly doubt it.

It seems like that if people are saying that that's what's going on now, there are ways to block remov vieing through certain materials, I believe.

I believe Uri Geller has talked about how the CIA has or some intelligence agency or the military has some sort of psychic energetic blocking room to where that because they were afraid that the Soviets were spying on them and in that they were getting their intelligence data leaks, so then they created this room where nothing could no psychic could possibly get into.

That's just rumor.

I don't know if that's true yeah or not, but I highly doubt that it would be it would really be possible.

You mentioned guards, Yeah, yeah, well, you know, it's a it's a fun concept.

You mentioned Uri Gala, Uri Geller, and Ingo Swan.

In recent years, they have been part of the quote unquote UFO disclosure movement.

You hear about remote viewing aliens on the moon and extra terrestrials.

They seem to be supporting this UFO narrative.

Of course, they were working with the CIA.

So how much trust can you put into that?

Right?

Yeah?

I don't necessarily believe a lot of the things that you're a yaller, says he but I do believe him on one thing, which I think is a really important thing.

When he talked about to Russell targ on the documentary Third Eye Spies, and he said that in a roundabout way, that Pat Price didn't die, that they didn't that he wasn't murdered, and that his death was essentially fated, and then he was taken into this black budget underground program that the CIA was doing.

Because it's just a coincidence that after Pat Price died even though sr I had other psychics such as Ingo Swan and Hella Hammond and a few others.

Whenever Pat died, the CIA was almost immediate like, oh yeah, we don't care anymore, We're out of this cut.

The funny Nessri, the only reason that you would do that is if you already had another program, or you had or that you had the individual, the best individual for the job already, because then you wouldn't need to fund them searching and looking in studies and all that.

For another thing, if you already have the best guy that can already do it, Like the CIA said back whenever in the early seventies, that they have someone they can see anything anywhere.

All they need to do is show him a picture of that thing.

So if they already have him, there's no point in continuing funding for anybody else.

So that's what I believe happened.

Because there's so many really strained which is all going to be in the documentary as well.

There's a lot of very strange things that surrounded Pat Price's death.

M Now go ahead, Uh.

No, I was just saying that there's very strange things, like he called his family members before the day before that he was found out in the hotel room and gave them very cryptic goodbyes.

He took out a very large life in insurance policy right before he died the whenever he was the family wasn't informed of his death until he was already cremated.

Wow.

Interesting, they'd already cremated the man before they ever called his wife and called his family to say that he was dead.

Whenever he died, a man came in with what could be described as men in black, came in with briefcases and told everyone to clear out of the clear out of the building that they had under control.

Wow.

So there's a really And then mix that with what Juri Geller was saying that they do not kill people that lay golden eggs.

Yeah, right, and that it wouldn't make sense, It doesn't make any sense.

Not to give away too much more from the film, but is there anything else that we didn't cover yet that you can give the audience a little sneak peek about.

Well, there's going to be a lot of The documentary is going to run about an hour and forty minutes that it's going to cover a lot of information really quickly.

The history of the remote viewing unit.

It's going to get into the gate programs is going to get into the Monroe Institute gateway tapes.

Because that's another thing.

Whenever Army Intelligence sent the Army person out to the Monroe Institute to study under Robber Monroe to see if being outside of the body it could increase or make the remote viewing more accurate or the psychic ability is more accurate.

They also brought those tapes back to Fort Mead, Maryland, so they had access to those tapes, and according to Lim Buchanan and some other people that were actually there said that they would use those tapes to like cool down and like after a remote viewing session, to like relax and like gather their thoughts back into it.

Now, I don't want people getting the wrong impression of remote viewing and how remote viewing works.

It's not one hundred percent accurate.

It's never been one hundred percent accurate.

And sometimes the people that are seeing these things aren't really even seeing them.

They're getting impressions.

M okay.

So how it would work is they would get into the relaxed state, we get into their what could be considered a meditative state.

Then they'll get a piece of paper and a pen, and then they will be assigned the coordinate.

I mean there's different ways of remote viewing.

There's extended remote viewing, could coordinate remote viewing, long range remote there's many different ways to do it.

But with coordinate remote viewing, they would be assigned the target.

The person that is giving the target to the individual is supposed to be blind to the target because if they're not blind to the target, then they can then influence the target.

So the person that's assigning the target essentially has to imbue what is what the target is onto the coordinate.

The coordinate literally does not matter.

The coordinate isn't a real coordinate, it's a series of numbers.

Yeah, So the person that's assigning the target has to be highly trained in order to not subliminally get things mixed up with the coordinate and then imbue things that aren't real and create their perception so that the remote viewer can't see the thing that they're supposed to be seen.

It's a very complicated and complex process.

When you get into the military remote viewing stuff.

It's not as easy as sitting down and looking out a picture and then remote viewing the picture.

Nine times out of ten.

If you're doing that, then you're you're just using your imagination.

You're just seeing things that you want to see.

Thus, the whole point of remote viewing is to be blind to the target because then the information the things that you see is pure, because if you know what it is that you're supposed to be viewing, then that gets subliminal.

Yeah, that messages into your brain to trick your brain into seeing what you think that you should see.

Makes sense, So you need to be blind.

The person that's giving you the target needs to be blind.

So there has to be a middleman in between there.

So the person that signs a target and the person that gives a target has to be different people.

And then you sit down, then you take your pen and your piece of paper, and then you view.

You get impressions of what you think that it is, and then you draw on a piece of paper and any words or any thoughts that come to mind on the piece of paper.

That's what these military or remote viewing sessions were, and that's how they operated, and that's how they worked.

And I think that with you know, social media and these self proclaimed remote viewers and self proclaimed psychics have the wrong impression or the wrong idea of how remote viewing is.

There's a difference between being remote viewing and and being psychic.

There are two separate things.

If you can look at a picture and see what's going on currently at that place in based off of that picture, that means you're psychic.

That's basically what Pat Price was.

Pot Price was a very powerful psychic.

Now you can argue that he was remote viewing or whatever.

That's what they would call it.

It would be remote viewing.

But if you take a picture and you can describe what's going on at that location, you are a psychic.

You're not a remote viewer.

Remote viewing is a completely separate protocol.

There's a protocol to remote viewing.

So people are getting these things mixed up thinking that they're remote viewing when they're not actually remote viewing.

There's they're literally setting down and using their imagination to come up with what their brain believes might possibly be going on at that location.

Now, I know we went over the possibility of remote assassins, but do you know if they were also able to say, affect the environment of what they were trying to remote view in any way?

Many experiments of that Ingo Swan would do that on many occasions.

That's one of the things that he dow that got the military and the CIA interested in the phenomenon.

You know, he would be able to remotely affect the environment and move things around where that he wasn't even near.

It's called remote perturbation.

That's the official term, which would translate to something like remote telekinesis where you can move an object that is nowhere near you or around you.

That's crazy.

Yeah, the Russians were also into remote perturbation, remote influence.

So yeah, but recently that it is possible to do and you can remotely what you do then gives a whole new definition to you know, haunted activity and spirits and ghosts.

Maybe it's maybe it's not even ghosts.

Maybe it's not even spirits, dude.

Maybe it's literally a living person that's remote viewing you and affecting your environment.

He's remoter masturbating you.

Bron Well, right on, man, I can't wait for this film last few minutes.

I know you've done some great work in colle go out BSUFO narratives.

People who are involved that are spreading disinformation and some of the some of the I guess you could say some of the current happenings that tend to involve UFOs or the narrative is pushed towards a UFO or an extraterrestrial But as far as where we're at now, we have at least more congressional hearings that pop up here and there.

What are your thoughts on the state of quote unquote disclosure?

Oh man, Honestly, I haven't really been paying too much attention.

I kind of left that whole thing because I it's almost like whenever you're when you're onto something too soon, it almost feels like that you're wrong, you know what I mean, Like you get you get attacked by all kinds of people.

You get you know, hate comments, hate messages, and all kinds of nonsense and stupid ass, ridiculous emails, you know, basically telling you that you're a propagandist and that you're working for the government, you cover up the UFOs, and that you're it's just ridiculous, dude.

So that's what it feels like when and I'm not the only one that's experienced that.

Several people have experienced that throughout, you know, just in the past.

You know, ten years.

So often, being too soon on a topic often feels like that you're wrong topic.

And I felt like that I was really soon.

Well us soon, but you were definitely onto something.

I agree with much of your much of your thoughts on the matter, but I just thought that we were currently entering a very uh, well, we've been in a very interesting place when it comes to the narratives that they're trying to push forward.

And like I said, you were doing a great job calling that out and I get it it.

People don't respond well to things that they're not ready to let go of yet.

And there's a lot of people out there that are not ready to let go of the UFOs and little Green Men yet.

I mean, it's obviously an agenda.

And where I think that this kind of heading is with AI.

I think that AI is going to be responsible for so much and they're going to pin a lot of things on AI.

I mean, I know now that they're already talking about how that they want to what's that call whenever you like, pardon that you're part of all of these different companies and these people that's been holding all the secrets to the UFO technology.

We're going to pardon him.

We're not going to hold them responsible for Whenever all this information comes out, I think that it's going to be used as an excuse for defense in the name of an invisible boogeyman, just like we've been led to believe the visible invisible boogeyman.

It's always been an invisible boogeyman.

It's always been that thing that no one can see, no one really has firsthand knowledge of that it's you know, just happening, and we need all this money to help protect you from the invisible boogeyman.

So I do one percent believe that it's going to be used as a military budget to funnel more money into to then protect us from the aliens.

Right, And I think of all those YouTubers that for years their content was about presenting video evidence.

We're at a point now where unfortunately it's gotten to look too real and in many instances it's extremely difficult to tell the difference, and that's only going to get better.

So it seems like the era of any video evidence maybe did.

It really is?

And when you look at the history of this stuff and you just like what I mentioned with the man who wrote the book Operation Mind Control, where the military would get these kids to address up and great alien costumes and abduct people and make them believe that they had been abducted by imans.

They took them to some kind of area that had a background stet that made them believe that they were on a spaceship and stuff like that.

If they're willing to go that far, yeah, could you to pull something off like that?

If they're willing to go as far as to break into Paul Benowitz's house in the early eighties to replace his computer with an NSA modified computer to make him believe that he's in contact with aliens while the NSA is posted up across the street, be mean signals into his house.

Oh okay, man, If they're going to go that.

Far, so diabolical.

What else are they willing to do?

Man?

Have you read the book Cameleo heard about this story with the Invisible Miserable that we're sitting to this guy's house.

If they were doing shit like that back then, who knows what they've got going on now?

And you have to question everything, even paranormal phenomena.

We live in wild times.

Brother, Before I let you go, remind the audience where they can find out more you again.

You'll find me on YouTube, any and all podcast platforms for Good Knowledge, News Network, Facebook, Instagram, x, Twitter, and you can watch my documentary as GFKX and The Clockwork Shining on Amazon Prime Video to b TV.

And thanks for having me on and be looking forward to my new documentary, Psychic Agent, Real Life Stranger Things, which is hopefully going to be released soon, which we'll cover everything that me and Chris talked about here today and much much more.

Thank you very.

Much, right on man, can't wait for that to come out.

Until next time.

Everyone, have a wonderful evening.

We will talk again tomorrow.

We'll see y'all.

Dan