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Thank you Russell Stewart for joining us.

Al G, thank you for joining us as well.

Alrighty, so tonight for the next ninety minutes, roughly, we have Ryder Lee with us from Raised by Giants.

You can find him on YouTube.

So if you're on YouTube right now, you can just type in Raised by Giants and you should be able to find Ryder Lee.

He's been on the show many times.

He's a good friend of mine, and he's made a handful of really good documentaries.

The Clockwork Shining documentary that was a really really good documentary.

Some stuff in that documentary at it's probably kind of related to the show tonight.

So anyway, let's bring Rider on the broadcast.

Ryder, thank you for joining us.

Really appreciate you being here.

And I'm looking forward to talking about this because this is basically the basis of my new documentary, Psychic Agent, The Real Life Stranger Things, which should be out within two to three months on Amazon Prime and Apple TV plus.

Kind Of what got me on this track was going through all of the mk Ultra programs, so we know that there were one hundred and forty nine sub projects to mk Ultra, and there were several.

Richard Helm of the CIA, the director at the time, ordered that the mk Ultra documents be destroyed and the only reason that we have any of the documentation on mk Ultra was because around eight thousand pages were found inside of some financial documents that weren't destroyed by the CIA.

But there was reported that there was more subprojects of mk Ultra than just the one hundred and forty nine that we are privy to.

Now, a few of the sub projects I found very interesting because four of them focused solely on psychic abilities and parapsychology, hypnosis and what would later be called remote viewing.

Now, there was another subproject that involved children.

There's a few of them, actually, but one of them in particular was subproject one oh three in nineteen fifty nine, which was called the Children's International Summer Village, where all these kids were brought together to be at a summer camp.

The CIA was studying them to see how they communicate with each other when they're in you know, common groups, and it was also to study young children who may be of interest to the agency.

Now, if you fast forward a little bit.

There's this tape that's been going around online that says something like you should be here my voice and you're writ ear now.

This has been triggering a lot of people.

They remember hearing this in public school.

They remember going through a lot of these weird and strange.

Tests in public school.

They would be taken out of class, taken to a separate part of school that would be like a separate building.

Sometimes sometimes it was a different classroom, but a lot of times it was just a completely separate building adjacent from the school itself.

They would be sat down, they would have they would do hearing tests, they would do vision tests, they would do tests of with like blocks, they would do rorshack tests, they would do tests with cards, like cards that would have a symbol on them.

They would be asking, oh, well, what's on what's going to be the next thing on the card, which has a lot of people to believe that this is like a testing of you know, psychic abilities in the kids right test with ropes.

They would be told to drink some sort of substance, like a very liquidity substance.

Some people believe that it was a pink pepto bismal type drink.

Other people remember it being a yellow, thick pepto bismol like drink, but they were like, I don't know, Like just In He's like, you know those little paper cups that there's like look like shooters that they would be that they would have to take.

And this coincides with like the drugging of kids, like nobody knows.

And that's the thing is within those tests, after they take the substance, they don't really remember anything else after that, so it's very difficult to figure out exactly what was going on.

But a lot of people remember the testing, going through the testing, strange testing.

Some of it was like reading, and this will leads some people to believe that it was like ADHD testing and stuff like that, which that's not out of the realm of possibility.

But a lot of these programs were called gifted programs.

They were called MGM, which is really interesting because the entire MGM show with the.

What was that, Oh, that's the network it's on right MGM plus, the.

Institute Right MGM mentally Gifted Minds, the Institute on MGM plus, which is.

Let me ask you a question writer, those substances whatever, those substances were, and we could probably just sit here and try to break down the various possibilities of what those kinds of tests would be.

We have a listener in the chat named Joe Ryder who said that they remember those tests and that he had those tests done.

I don't remember anything like that personally for me, but maybe I'm too young.

But my question is the way that you describe those peptibysmal like substances based on what people are saying they experienced.

You know, there's a lot of things because we're dealing with kids, that it could be a misremembering of something that could be inflated as a story because of all the pop culture and the comics and movies and TV shows.

But those things also can be based on things like stranger things.

Is so anyway, the point is what those substances do You think that maybe they could be some sort of ergot like substance, hallucinatory, psychedelic like substances, because they use those for adults in these kinds of programs, and humans have used these for thousands of years to induce what we would probably call psychic type abilities and to speak with spirits.

If you give that to children.

That would absolutely enhance theoretically any sort of those types of natural abilities already.

That's my first thought.

What do you think of that?

Or do you know anything about that?

Yeah, so it seems like some sort of hallucinogenic substance.

And they would also be asked to put on goggles like three D goggles.

What would the three D goggles be for?

It would be to change your perception while you're drugged, to get you to see things that you normally wouldn't see.

And I didn't give an example of this when I was really young.

When I was growing up, I I would see things in my room every night, like entities would like come out of the walls.

Now that might sound crazy, whatever people want to think, but I told my parents about this.

It was like, every night I see these entities.

They come out of the walls and surround me in my bed.

Every night.

My parents thought that something was wrong with me.

They took me to the doctor.

Okay, the doctor says that there wasn't anything wrong with me, and he handed me this flash card.

I don't know.

It was probably as big as this piece of notepod paper, okay, and it had these bulls eyes on it and had a big bullseye, then a small bulls eye, and then it was like four different circles within circles, and he's like, can you make this bulls eye become three D?

Can you make the bulls eye pop up off of the card?

I couldn't do it at that time, and he was like, well, when you can do it, come back and see me.

And it was like any it was like really fuzzy, like it was almost like it was three D on the card already, Like if you were to take your three D glasses off and watch a three D movie, how it's like super blurry.

That's what the card looked like.

And as the bulls eyes got bigger on the little flash card, they got clearer.

And so I'm like putting two and two together here.

And if these people were forced to put on some three D goggles and then they were, you know, given some sort of substance, would that be to trigger some sort of abilities?

I mean, because we know that.

There are three three you say they're three D goggles because usually that kind of stuff works with you know, a movie that's that's rendered to B three D.

But obviously if you put them on, they don't.

They don't work when you walk outside, things don't.

They're already three dimensional.

So what does that?

What does that?

What does three D goggles mean?

Then for the people that can't see what they're supposed to be.

Seeing, so maybe they're maybe they're not necessarily three D goggles, but there's some sort of enhancing device to enhance the visions.

It almost sounds like you're giving someone a It sounds like an acid trip, but then they're trying to enhance or make the acid trip even more more real by putting some kind of device over over people's eyes.

Right, So if you couldn't, if you couldn't do something right, it's just like with technology.

You know, technology gives us a leap to be able to talk to each other while you're in Japan and I'm in the United States.

Right, Yes, we.

Wouldn't be able to do that with technology.

Well, some people wouldn't be able to possibly unlock these psychic abilities that they have within them without a little nudge, without a little help, without a little technology, right, I mean, And that's just pure theory I have, just based on what happened to me and me remembering those bulls eyes on that flash card that were like super blurry.

But there's several instances of that with people being drugged and then experimented on.

And it's shown a lot in the Institute on MGM plus with children.

But there's like the Ames leaf Room.

Have you ever heard of the Ames leaf Room.

It was created by doctor Ames.

He created this which was funded and on contract by the Office of Naval Intelligence, well Office of Naval Research, where he would take college students into this room.

I just had leaves all over it.

You can google it, you can step in Ames Leaf Room.

And he would give them LSD.

Then he would put these goggles over their head and then have them sit in this weird room that he created.

It's called the Ames leaf Room.

Okay.

So, and people would have like the worst trips of their lives in this room that's made out of leaves, tripping on LSD with weird goggles over their head.

They would end up in the emergency room.

Okay.

So I mean and that's.

A real story of the Ames Leaf Room.

So, and that was happening on a college campus, right.

So there is evidence of some of the things that people are remembering, is just difficult to track it into actually being inside of public schools.

But the weird part about it, Ryan, is that voice that I was mentioning of the tape when people will put the headphones on and they would go through these hearing tests in public school, which is the voice that comes over you should be hearing my voice in your right ear.

That is the Monroe Institute gateway tapes.

That voice is from.

That's a real thing that's triggering people.

That's the monro Institute gateway tapes.

They me saying gateway tapes is to induce an out of body experience, which Robert Monroe is connected to the Stargate remote viewing unit that the DIA and Army Intelligence was doing.

Army Intelligence paid Robert Monroe thousands of dollars to thin their Army assets to the Monroe Institute to study under Robert Monroe.

So there's a connection here.

So how did these how and why were these gateway tapes put into public school Did SRI have something to do with this because SRI was a part of this entire thing too.

They were the original scientists that were put down to study remote viewing and was funded by the CIA and by the government, by the Air Force, by the NSA, and there's this document that I have here.

I'm gonna actually share the screen here really quickly.

Window.

This is from the Sun Streak, the IA Army intelligence program which was for remote viewing.

They were using remote viewing to collect intelligence date on foreign targets during the Cold War, started in nineteen seventy eight and ended in nineteen ninety five.

Is Sunstreak the one that reportedly supposedly if that's if this is the one I'm remembering where the Arc of the Covenant was also reportedly found in the eighties, it's that the same program, yes, but.

It is the same program as one of the very first programs that was Grill Flame that was started as well.

It was just renamed so several times since nineteen seventy eight, orient Intelligence and DA had been split, and then they had their separate programs, and then they would come back together, then they would split again, that would cause another name change, and then they would come back together, and then that would create another name change.

So it was Sunstreak for a really long time, and then in nineteen ninety two it was changed to the Stargate Project by Dale Graff, which was an operations manager.

That's going to be in my documentary talking about this and how and why he changed the name to Stargate, and then it was supposed to be given back to the CIA, which was funding it in nineteen ninety five, and then the CIA put the program down and said no intelligence data had ever been collected from the program, which was a lie.

Once you once you read through all these documents, you'll see that the remote viewers were on target with all most everything.

I mean, there's there's wind speed, there's detailed drawings of the location that they're remote viewing with their mind, their psychic abilities.

I mean, it's it definitely worked.

And that's what also piqued my interest.

Why would they shut down a program that was on all accounts successful.

Purpose program is usually what happens.

They repurpose it, they rename it, they reassign people, or they or it goes black.

That's right, That's exactly right.

The one they either already had a program, two they reassigned the program.

Three it went so dark that nobody is ever going to find out anything about it.

And the evolving nature of what remote viewing can become.

You can do so much with remote viewing.

It's not just you know, an intelligence data collection or spine for the government, or seeing what somebody else is doing.

There's so many other levels and layers to remote viewing that can be done.

I mean there's outbounder experiments.

There's uh which is the sr I called him outbounder, the DA called him what was the name, they called them a different name, but it was essentially the same thing that they would have the remote viewers remote viewing a certain individual and then the remote viewer would literally be able to see through their eyes.

Then if you were to take that a step further, well, then there's like by location.

There's a very advanced form of remote viewing that Ingo Swann created.

It was called perfect site integration that was essentially grate up by location.

You could literally bilocate your physical body to an another place on the Earth and you would be there and you would be able to influence the environment.

So it gets way more advanced.

And they want you to stop at you know, the government, they want you to stop at this this intelligence data collection that the remote viewers were doing for de I A and army intelligence.

They want you to stop there.

All over is the is a theoretical scientific concept.

I think that would be that would also apply to perhaps understanding what a ghost is heard.

I've heard this theory for a very long time, and I think that it's probably it's it's an adequate potential explanation for for ghosts or something similar to ghosts.

Yeah, why why does unexplained the activity or paranormal activity have to be of a dead spirit?

Well, usually likely probably from somebody that's living.

That's usually it has to do with and is associated with heightened emotional states stress, anxiety, fear, terror, even sexual tension and energy, psychic abilities, telekinesis, moving objects with your mind, etc.

Those things, even pyroe what do they call it, pyro techniques, even those kinds of things being able to manipulate fire, the elements or whatever the cases, comes from those heightened emotional states.

So there's a connection between those two things.

Although I was wondering, I want to ask You're a perfect person to ask this question, because I'm thinking of the Pentagon's recent announcement that they fabricated many of the UFO stories and narratives, and I don't trust the Pentagon.

But this has been a theory in eufology for a long time.

It's also documented back in the fifties that that was one of the goals, not necessarily the Pentagon, but that the media, the military, was intelligence was going to do this.

So when we learn that now, there's like an open acknowledgment that yes, the military perpetrated these myths or took real stories and turned them into myths or things they didn't know what they were.

And I'm wondering if the same thing has come to your mind in researching for your new documentary, has come to your mind about things like remote viewing and things like people remembering having gone to these gifted children test programs in public schools that perhaps some of this stuff, you know, people say, hey, I remember that, Well, we do know.

Psychologically speaking, people misremember a lot, and it can be traced directly back to things that you're entertained by, or it can be tracked back to states of emotional instability, people that are missing certain things in their life so they want to be part of something, or it's an excuse for why their life isn't what it could be.

I mean, that's very real.

So I get the point is my question is, just like with UFOs, I think it's possible.

But my question to you is do you think it's possible?

Do you know anything about it?

Or you have a theory on it?

Maybe that a lot of that stuff that we're hearing today about those those memories are are aren't just the same types of mythos that were promoted by the military for UFOs.

They're just doing this now with with psychic abilities or you know, with paranormal experiences that or it's not part of a long line of similar disinformation that's been been around for decades.

Do you understand what I'm asking?

Do you have a thought on that?

Absolutely?

Absolutely I understand that, and I could yea understand someone coming at it from that angle that.

That's why I'm trying to get down to what factual information can I glean from any of this stuff, Like do we have any documentation?

I mean, obviously there really were gifted programs.

Now, whether those gifted programs were for trying to find psychic kids to shepherd them and herd them into a government facility, we don't know, Okay, but there's one hundred percent gifted programs.

There's too many people that remember being in a gifted program for them not to be a gifted program.

When I heard about this, as I was growing up as well, there were.

Gifted programs in my school.

I was never a part of it, but I know that there were.

Almost every school in the nineties towards the end of the eighties into the nineties had gifted programs.

Now, they.

You never told what the gifted programs were.

They told the people told.

Their parents that they were a part of.

Like that they were super smart, and that they need to be put into extra classes like extracurricular activity classes because they.

Were scoring above average.

Okay, now that could be mixed up and confused with some sort of weird government testing as well.

But as far as documentation, we have this document from the sun Streak remote viewing program that says right here, only one scientific claim of detection of remote viewing is known.

Chinese scientists claim to have detected remote viewing during their experiments with children.

Do you have this at the bottom.

Of your screen?

I do not see it on my screen.

Let me see if I can pull it up.

I should have should be at the bottom of your hit it on the share, should be able to just bring it up down near the bottom.

Yes, it's allowing me.

Now, it wasn't allowing me at first, it is now so you can see them on the screen.

Now, straight data on these experiments is insufficient to validate this.

Now, this part down here looks like it was that it tried to be redacted, like someone tried to just mark this out with like a pen.

It looks like it's been marked over like twice, and it says work to replicate these experiments, however, is going on at SRI.

So they shut the program down because it wasn't providing anything of value.

But then whatever value there was in it was continued at SRI.

They tried to replicate the experiments.

Is that what I'm to understand.

Right, But we don't know if that means replicating the experiments with children that's just stated above here.

With that, the Chinese have detected remote viewing during their experiments with children, which is one accurate.

They were doing those experiments whenever you turned around, I don't know.

I think it was like thirteen or fourteen.

You were then kicked out of the program.

They had no use for you anymore in China.

And currently there are programs in the UK that are training kids with psychic abilities.

They'll put blindfolds on them and they'll have them doing all they would be naming what color is there when they can't even see it.

It's real program.

Now, that's not a nefarious program.

That's just a program for parents that think that their kids have some sort of extrasensory perception that doesn't evolve school or anything.

It's just like a like a sports class that you would take your kid to, or a gymnastics class or taekwondo.

It's like an ex your curricular activity class that's going on in the UK that is training kids how to be psychic.

Okay, I think it's a lot.

It's a lot easier today because of the Internet and because of widespread, cheap, easily accessible communication.

But if you go back a couple of decades, if you go back into the nineties, I don't see why, theoretically, why it would be even a second thought that militaries, corporations, governments looking for, you know, a new generation of or people they can train to be a new generation of specialized whatever.

And they go to schools and they find people that test very high and test in a certain way, and then they recruit them or their families into those programs, whatever those programs are.

They don't have to be psychic.

But I mean, they just could be people that you think that are really smart, that you want working at the CIA.

That's right, that's exactly right.

Like athletes rap.

It's like athletes at schools, you go recruit athletes.

You're telling me the military or the intelligence community or the government hasn't done that with really smart people.

Of course they have other some countries they force you to do it.

In the Soviet Union or in China, they would just kidnap people and force you to participate scientists, et cetera, force you to make things and perform experiments.

So, yeah, this is.

And that's what's happening.

The people that I have talked to that are oudamant that they were a part of these school gifted programs for long periods of time.

One of them including Walter Bosley.

He's the one that was one inside of one of these gifted programs that was called MGM in California that he was forced to take a yellow liquid and then do all of these tests.

He ended up in the intelligence community.

He ended up working for the working in the Air Force.

He ended up working being a spook for the CIA, an a counterintelligence agent.

Another one my friend, Trey Hudson, same thing.

He lived in Florida.

He was a part of these programs.

Then he ended up working for the DoD and Walter was told that by his mentor that he had been watched for his entire life.

Okay, this is kind of the basis of one of the sub stories of the TV show Fringe.

It wasn't necessarily the government, but you had these these two really famous and intelligent scientists that were using drugs to find children that had, you know, certain amplified abilities.

And one and the main character with's her name Olivia, he ends up becoming an FB eye agent who is put in charge of investigating those kinds of programs.

I mean, that's just a fictionalized version, but what you're explaining is something that's very real, and I.

Do believe if these programs were real, that's what it was for.

It was to shepherd and herd these people into a certain direction.

The military were studying these kids, looking at them to try and put them into leadership roles, just like I was mentioning with that mk Ultra subproject where they would take all these kids, put them in a camp for an entire summer and then study them and watch them see what kind of learning capabilities they had, in order to figure out if any of those kids would be later on put into positions of power within the military or within the intelligence community.

You know what's interesting to me, writer, is that technology, you know, scientific concepts, philosophies, these things, things expand and grow rapidly.

Computer technology is a famous example of that.

It doubles and doubles and doubles, and it advances quickly.

But if you think about just the medical practice itself, we are not more than one hundred years removed.

If that it could be less than one hundred years from blood letting practices.

We're less than one hundred years removed from putting women into insane asylums because of emotional states.

We're less than we're less I'd say one hundred to be really conservative, but we're less than one hundred years removed.

Maybe more like what we're still doing it using mercury as a solve, as a lotion as a substance to cure diseases, which is arguably one of the things that caused leprosy.

Exposure to mercury on the skin and it would cause your skin to literally peel off some of the stuff we're still doing today.

In fact, when you have a woman that goes to the hospital to give birth, and I make that distinction now because they say men can have babies, but when a woman goes to the hospital give birth, it's still a very barbaric and they say it's sanitary and it's clean, it's a really barbaric and unsanitary mentally and physically conditioned, Like a woman should not be laying down on her back unless she feels it's necessary to give birth.

People used to stand to give birth or give birth in water, not lay down.

My point is in giving you these examples of blood letting and things like this, is because or mercury.

We think that these are like barbaric practices that are confined to some historical period that we've grown out of, that we've learned from our mistakes.

But what we're doing today publicly, the stuff we like I explained at the beginning of the show writer, the stuff we feed kids, the various pharmaceutical drugs, the open public experiments with different types of injections, all of that stuff is the equivalent of modern day blood letting.

It's the equivalent of modern day we still use it mercury, old practices of mercury, mercury use blood letting.

The kinds of things that we think are like, oh, that's barbaric, why would somebody do that, Well, we're doing the exact same thing today publicly.

And if we're doing that kind of thing publicly, and we have no problem experimenting on children and adults, or spraying DDT on kids eating lunch or swimming in a pool, I mean, it just makes me think I can't even conceive of what goes on behind the scenes.

And when you have power and money and we know of all the programs we know that did exist, and the stuff a little bit that we know about them that's confirmed, I'm sure that it's really beyond comprehension the kinds of things that have been done to both children and adults in programs like this without consent, without knowledge.

I mean, I'm sure that you've probably heard of those, the idea of like breeding programs where a lot of people are you know, kids are bred for these kinds of experiments.

It's not even that they are in school and they're taken out for special classes, or that their kids go missing and end up you know, kidnapped and end up in some some horrible situations.

Just like there's like breeding farms, which actually kind of is partly what Epstein was doing in The New Mexico.

You could argue that that was part of what he was doing there, with the with the wanting and pregnate women and give birth to these children off the grid.

So that's maybe a whole different subject.

But I just wanted to mention things like these barbaric quote barbaric practices, But we still do the exact same type of thing today, and we do these things publicly and openly, So it doesn't it doesn't take too far of a stretch of the imagination to look at what you're showing me and to think that it's probably a thousand times worse than what these documents imply and show, especially if the programs went black.

It's it's way worse than what we could possibly even imagine.

I mean, it's a it's a tentacle that expands to multiple different layers and levels that would be very difficult for any one person to figure out every level of it if they don't have the proper documentation or even know where to look there.

But my first thought is, well, if you recruit all of the smartest people into your organization, then like what does that do.

Well, One, you're getting rid of all the smart people.

You've got all them, so then you give them a certain boundaries that they can't cross in the military, in these through that organizations.

So then that done's innovation that wrecks people creating new things that could be beneficial to everyone.

With innovation behind the scenes.

That's twenty thirty forty fifty years ahead of everything else.

There you there, you, that's what it is.

And speaking of like kids and you know the you just mentioned with the you know, the farms and all that, well, check this out.

China has now developed the world's first pregnancy humanoids from the daily Now that's capable of giving birth to a live baby.

Okay.

Scientists in China are developing the world's first pregnancy robot capable of carrying a baby be determined giving birth.

The humanoid will be equipped with an artificial womb that received nutrients through a hose.

Expert said.

The prototype is expected to be released next year with a selling price of around one thousand year ten thousand dollars row.

Wait wait, one thousand yen.

Is this a Japanese Oh yeah.

One hundred thousand yan or yin or yan yan.

Looks like Chinese.

I thought you meant yin.

It's Chinese currency, and said that.

The artificial womb technology is already in a mature stage and now needs to be implemented in the robots audomen so that a real person robot can interact with the active pregnancy.

Okay, so this is yes, this type of what who it's going to look like?

Yeah, I'll bring that back up on the screen, but I wanted to show listeners that yes, this was MIT Technology review back in twenty twenty three.

These artificial this is what one of them looks like an artificial womb.

So they want to take that and this is in Japan.

This is a Japanese artificial womb.

They want to take that and put that into what you showed, which is a robot, to make it more humanoid.

So these things are artificial wombs that exist separate, and then they want to stick them into a humanoid like body from what you're showing me.

And people thought that it was just a conspiracy theory that they had these artificial like babies being born outside of the womb.

You know what, this is a really this just made me think of something really interesting.

So that artificial wom I just showed you is a Japanese artificial womb.

And I wrote a technology book many years ago where I talked about the development of artificial wombs elsewhere in the world.

Have you ever noticed that when you read stuff from China, I don't necessarily believe stories coming out of China, but you can read stories from over here in Japan, where I am a stuff about, and even environmental technologies that just seem like they're so simple.

There's no propaganda.

It's just like, hey, we designed a plastic that dissolves in water and it's made of like seaweed.

Solves the plastic problem.

You ever notice that, like anywhere else in the world you read about stuff like that, the technology always seems so far advanced.

And we know as Americans that we are the wealthiest and probably the most ruthless of any country, and we're sitting here with technology that feels like it's from the nineteen fifties.

That's why people come to places like South Korea, China, Japan and they're like, Wow, these people are living in the future.

It's like, no, that technology is probably itself really old.

In the US, it's just all been gobbled up by corporations.

It's been gobbled up by defense contractors, by companies like Apple and Facebook.

And that's why we still live in like nineteen fifties technology.

But the rest of the world, see any developed country seems to be fifty to one hundred years ahead.

We have this stuff too, we just don't publicize it as much.

That's what I think.

I don't know, do you have a thought on that.

It's really weird.

I've noticed that too, and I don't really understand it either, other than that they just don't They want to see the United States fall and fail, and while all these other countries are just constantly developing new and breakthrough technology.

I mean, look at cloning, bro I mean, cloning was heavily talked about in the nineties.

Bill Clinton was talking about cloning only the sheep, Dolly, the sheep.

It was a huge thing.

They were talking about it when it's like human trials going to start, just like how they were talking about anti gravity and free energy all the way back in the early nineteen hundreds.

Hey, then all of a sudden, boot nothing.

Let's just shove that.

Let's just shove that thing.

Yeah, that's that's because it went black.

I think, just like the other programs we're talking about, it's a really popular thing.

People are interested in it.

It's it's for some people, it's science fiction.

For other people, it's just science.

And then just disappears one day, and it almost feels like we I mean, as an American, it almost feels like we've gone back in time.

It almost feels like we've gone we've lost technology.

It's not lost, it's there, we just don't don't have access to it.

I mean, the things this isn't the point of tonight's show, but the things that you find over here where I am writer.

You're just thinking, like, why why do we not have this in the United States?

Don't I don't understand.

It makes life so much easier.

Why, Well, I think again, because it's all under the control of defense contractors, the aerospace industry, the Pentagon, the military, private corporations you've never heard of before, or startups in Silicon Valley.

Because they have a stranglehold.

They have I don't even know if monopoly is the right word, but they have control of all I think control of all of it.

Well, that's the same time.

That's the thing too, is that AI.

No one's talking about this.

You might have talked about it, I'm not sure, but I've never heard anybody else talk about this.

They all talk about aisn't like there's going to be an AI takeover, that the AI is going to take everybody's jobs.

No one's talking about how AI is going to invent stuff.

AI is going to create things.

AI is going to patent things, and AI is going to be used as the scapegoat for the reason why we haven't had all this stuff for a really long time.

Okay, So free energy, okay, I'm calling it right now, is going to be created by AI.

AI will develop it quote.

Unquote exactly anti gravity craft, which I am very confident we already have the military has had for freaking sixty years.

They've at least at least been developing it.

AI is going to create see, because that puts a middleman in between, because they can't just come out and say, oh, well we've had this stuff for a really long time.

Here it is here.

It is that people will be like, what do you mean, how long have you had this?

How long have you had this free energy.

How long have we been paying for power.

And all this stuff?

But now we don't have to worry about it because AI cracked the code.

AI cracked the code.

They found the cure for cancer, They found out how to work free energy.

They figured out anti gravity craft to protect us from the freaking fault, fake alien invasion.

Okay, that's just an example.

I don't really believe that that's going to happen, but something similar to that is probably going to happen, and people aren't talking about it because they can't.

They don't see it like that.

The AI is going to be the scapegoat for everything, even innovation.

Yeah, I can see're going to be.

Like, oh, AI finally did it.

We finally we figured out how to do it.

The missing link the researchers and scientists had been looking for and studied for.

The people have been donating into this foundation for forty to fifty years, giving all of their money to cancer research.

A I just solved it.

A C And contrarily, you'll find the opposite.

You'll find artificial intelligence has informed us that we can't do X.

We're not able to cure cancer.

You need to take the drugs we're not able to develop non fossil fuel technologies.

You need to keep you know, well, they tell you not to use it, but you're going to have to continue to drive your combustion engine vehicle because we just even the AI can't figure out another option.

So you could find that it acts contrarily to that as well.

I mean we basically already like that with computers, Like well, I read it online, so it must be true or it must not be true.

We rely on artificial intelligence a super perceived as a super intelligence compared to the average human.

It's really right.

I mean, it's really a glorified search engine in a lot of ways, most of the chatbots, but it'll be used for the opposite of that as well.

I want to go to the chat really quick, writer, because there's a lot of people that have commented in the chat room about their experiences or things they've been through Jewels of Earthly Delights as I was born in nineteen ninety and in one of those programs, numerous classmates went straight into jobs at the New York Times.

Others went to DC to work in the federal government there, you, which is just what we were talking about.

Oh, I like this who is this is your real name, Paggy in the Chat because that is Peggy Bundy.

That's one of my favorite TV shows of all time.

Peggy in the says, I went to school in two different states, but both called it the gifted program.

Yeah some people.

Some people it's the gifted program, other people it's called the mentally gifted minds.

And see, there's different reasons given in different states as to the decision to put your child inside of one of these programs within public school.

They're given different reasons.

Some people were said that their kid was like super smart and that they needed to be put in like a special class.

And then other states where your kid is really stupid, he's not learning properly, he has learning disabilities, he's dyslexic, he has ADHD, he needs to be put into a special class.

Yes, well, and that that we could also theorize too that whatever is causing the increase in quote autism, people say that that is a debilitating condition.

Others say that it's the next phase of human evolution.

However, you interpret that or perceive that those kinds of states are created clearly by the conditions that we create through food and drugs and medicine and all these other things.

Then if those kids really are able to access something that is outside of the ordinary and they become extraordinary, then it's almost like we're literally traumatizing, brainwashing, and damaging children to produce those different qualities and states that allow them to access those other realms.

In other words, it's kind of like the way that I perceive it.

The way that I see it, it's it's kind of like those stories of satanic ritual abuse, where you have to traumatize and abuse and sexually do things to the child in order to get the personality to split.

And it's not just satanic ritual abuse.

It's also done with drugs as well, and you know the MK ulture programs and others.

So I think we're doing that collectively as a culture.

We're doing that.

It's not like a secret program.

It feels like we're doing that.

As a culture writer, it feels like that's what we're doing that to children at every level of grade school, from the moment they're literally from the moment they're born until they become an adult.

It's not and it's not just about programming or making money.

I mean, what is it.

One in two are autistic by the end of this decade, according to the CDC one in two.

That's not evolution.

That's a synthetic thing that we've created, I think, and I think it ties back perhaps into these programs, which also I want to mention this to you too, because I think it is in line with our idea here of why there's maybe more advanced technology behind the scenes, because this very smart, intelligent people, the high level Da Vinci type people are found when they're young and brought into you know, programs or the military or whatever some corporation.

You think about what we heard, what was it a couple of months ago, back in May from the former Bush administration official Catherine Fits and whatever you think of her, I mean, I don't know what to think.

But here's just a reminder of the economic times.

The US spent twenty one trillion dollars to build a secret underground doomsday bunker for the elites.

And it's more than just a bunker.

It's more like a series of it's a network of cities and tunnels.

And this is the kind of thing that I had heard rumors of, completely unrelated to anything that I was interested in, because I was only nineteen years old.

I just started reading weird conspiracy books.

I had read UFOs and I was a kid, but weird conspiracy books.

And I had people in Tampa in Orlando tell me things about mcdale Air Force Space, that there were underground facilities there, tunneling systems that went under the Bay of Tampa all the way down to Miami and all the way down to Cuba, and that they use that to traffic drugs, They use that to traffic people.

There are stories.

They're not even stories, actually that's the wrong word.

There are videos and and and audio.

You can watch them, and they've been the They've been the subject of a lot of theorizing for decades of cities all across the world.

We're talking to the United States.

In fact, Saint Petersburg, Florida, where right across the bay from where mcdal Air Force Space is.

This happened at a baseball game.

You get just this weird trumpet like sound that is blaring in the in the air.

That this has been seen and heard in Texas, I think, I want to say Sweden, Texas for sure, Florida for sure.

It's been heard in Russia for sure.

I think it's been heard in China.

But what they classify that weird trumpet sound in the air as they call it, like the the the venting of exhaust from these underground facilities because when they're building them, all this toxic gas builds up, so they have to expel it.

And when we're talking massive, massive pipes, massive facilities, and when they expel all that gas, you get that kind of wishing sound in the air.

And that's like official explanations for different different things that have happened around the world.

Is again, this is a global thing.

And so when you get someone like Catherine fitz who says, yeah, we build a twenty one trillion dollar, you know, under ground city, I don't think people understand the nature of what she's actually suggesting.

Twenty one trillion dollars is more than half the national debt, and to build something like that, it's possible to do it without people knowing.

I mean, the Japanese built the g cans here in Tokyo without anybody knowing, and it was all underground and it was it's like a massive temple complex.

It's pretty crazy.

So you can do it, but you need really smart people to do it.

You need the top best of the best engineers and probably almost like city planners, you need everybody who's at the top of their field to do this.

You need very advanced technology to be able to do this kind of thing.

And so it makes me think.

My point is, it makes me think, this is why we don't have any on the surface advances in quote technology.

It's why I mean, I'll give you I think what a great example would be is over here in Japan they have the famous Shinkansin, and the Shinkansin has been exported to India and other countries, but the US doesn't want it.

They've had the Shinkansin bullet train over here since the nineteen sixties and it has like an impeccable safety record, I mean, or not even a safety record, it has that too, but it has like an impeccable record of like never having an issue shoes.

There have been a few, you know, issues with like electrical things, some fire here or there, but it like it has no record of anything bad happening.

They've ran this thing for but since the sixties, that's over almost three quarters of a century they've had this thing, and it just keeps getting better and better, and we don't have that.

We have like Amtrak that is covered in graffiti and smells like urine.

You know why that is?

We have that because we've spent all of our money and we've sent all of our brilliant people to build whatever the fuck this is.

And I think they.

Would say that the United States is too hilly and there's too many mountains that they couldn't build this, uh this Amtrak fast track bullet.

Train to do it.

Yeah, because Japan isn't a series of volcanoes and mountains.

But oh, I know, but I'm just saying that would be the excuse, like there's too much train here in the United States, you can't do it.

But which is complete another horrible But we do know that the article that you just brought up could very well be accurate because they were doing this during the Cold War and they had one in West Virginia.

They at the Greenbrier Hotel.

There was an underground bunker that was built into the side of the mountains.

Only you and me and a couple of friends that we have we know that.

But yeah, you're right, that's fascinating.

People should look at Greenbrier.

It's a resort is it a resort or it's like a hotel resort.

I think that's where the governor's bunker was.

It was the governor's bunker and it was all of the politicians and the president from Washington, d C.

That's where they would go in case of a nuclear explosion, in case the Cold War escalated to to the point where there are you know, nuclear bombs being dropped.

I'm showing them showing it on the screen right now.

I also see my friend Teresa just join the chat.

Hello, Teresa.

Here is the Greenbriar Resort.

You can actually get a tour of the bunker.

Have you ever gotten a tour?

I never got one.

Yes, I went in, Oh you got a tour.

Wow, that's really cool.

Yeah, you can get a tour of the bunker.

Look at that.

But they made this one all in one secret.

They just blasted out the side of the mountain and then made it to where there was all this construction going on and when they were building the hotel and then they just yeah, it's huge, it's huge.

They still have the original bunk beds and like everything in there.

And this we're talking about the Cold War, We're talking about a time when I mean even in a decade, technology advances rapidly, So we're talking how many decades ago and the amount of time you need to be able to develop the kind of technology to build something like that in the first place.

It's like you when people look at go Beckley Tepe, they say, well, it's eleven thousand so years old.

I mean, that's fascinating enough that takes you back to I mean that's the middle of the Younger Drives, the end of the Ice Age.

But it also makes you ask the question, how many thousands of years did you have to develop the technology to be able to do something like that?

So, I mean we've had to have had the technology to do things like this since I mean, at least it had to have been World War Two, it had to have been the forties and the fifties.

There's no possible way you just overnight design something and build something like this.

It takes decades to build up the technology to be able to do it, let alone actually to build it.

A writer, I think you're muted.

I think that makes you think you like, what about all these other underground places, like what about the Paris cantasquorms?

Yeah, that's a whole bro like that is uh, that is it been, And there's a whole entire underground city that is just as big as Paris, all underground, like there's some people.

There's been rumored that some people have gone in there and have never come out because they've gotten lost.

Have you.

Have you ever seen those Turkish tunnels?

Yeah, the ones in Yeah, darren Ku darren Q tunnels.

It's like an entire underground city that's built carved.

I'm showing them them on the screen right now just for audio only listeners.

You can if you want to type this in d e r i n k u y u d e r i n k u yu.

Yeah, and a massive underground complex.

Uh they by the way, they Oh, I'm sorry, writer.

Go ahead.

It seems like every single popular country has a city underneath it.

I mean, we know about the cities underneath La that's a really big one.

There's cities underneath.

Vegas, Like.

Who did this?

Why did they do this?

And now we're still doing the same thing, We're still creating underground cities.

I mean, does this go back to the hopey ant people like.

I was just thinking that because that is yeah, that's right, they came out of the ground the ant people.

Yeah, and see some of the humans that were on the surface from a huge cataclysm, took them underground and then resurfaced them after it was safe to come back out.

So this brings a few questions to the forefront of my mind.

Writer.

On the screen, you can see that it says in nineteen fifty eight, this is the Greenbriar website.

Nineteen vity eight, Congress instructed the Greenbrier to build our West Virginia Wing to conceal you alluded to this to conceal the construction of emergency or fallout shelter and relocation facility for Congress.

So a few things come to my mind speaking of Fallout and speaking of the Greenbrier.

I've been playing Fallout seventy six a lot recently.

My school, my high school is in the game.

Your hometown is in the game, Point Pleasant, Mothman.

It's a really fun game.

I don't like that it's all online, but it's a really fun game.

And I'm like a big Fallout fan, So I'm really excited for season two that's coming out, and I think it's December and the first season, I don't know did you see the first season of Fallout?

Yes, I loved it.

I thought it was great.

I'm glad that they're fast tracking in the series.

Yes, me too.

And so if anybody doesn't know anything about Fallout, that's okay.

You don't have to be a video game fan to know anything about it.

But this is what it makes me think.

In the first season, taking from the Cannon and the lore of the actual video game stories, have a corporation called Vault Tech.

And I don't want to give too much away for people that might want to go watch it, but this corporation you find out it's implied in the show, and it's been speculated on in the games that the Vault Tech Corporation, which was building bunkers for the apocalypse, for nuclear war, this big war between China, Russia, the US that when Peace twks started to go very well and it looked like there wouldn't be an apocalypse, the idea was that Valt Tech decided to drop the bombs themselves and to destroy the world and because they would be able to manage the apocalypse, and that is like the main storyline in the first first season of the TV show based off the Games is that you have these managers that want to be able to manage the end of the world, and they say that time is the ultimate weapon, that we can destroy all of our enemies and then we can re populate the world and we can redesign the world in our image, and they wanted to do.

These are like billion trillion dollar corporations, robotics companies, vault companies, you name it.

And I mean, truth is stranger than fiction, but sometimes they're the same thing.

And I'm not saying it's predictive programming, but when you read stuff like the twenty one trillion dollar underground city network that Catherine Fitz talked about, and we know that there's a long history of this.

We just saw Greenbrier and that was back in nineteen fifty eight.

First of all, it's not really that incomprehensible to think that what she's saying is true or could even be an understatement.

But it also is not unfeasible to think that what you saw in the first season of Stranger not Stranger Things of Fallout isn't really off from whatever the hell this twenty one trillion dollars is.

Because if you have other countries like China, countries like Japan just to go to the far far East, the other side of the world, that are like seventy five years advanced on the surface with just transportation, just basic public transportation.

The trains in China are arguably better than even Japan, which I don't know if I believe that because all the lies upont of China, but it nevertheless, it's like seventy five years more advanced than the United States.

I don't believe the US isn't advanced.

I just think we've done it here with this twenty one trillion dollars underground.

So it's to me, it really sounds like vault Tech.

It sounds like we have a group of corporate managers that have decided to literally go underground to build an entirely different civilization and to let everything on the surface crumble and to let time be the ultimate weapon to destroy all of their enemies.

I mean, people speculate it's for an asteroid impact or there's going to be nuclear war.

I don't necessarily think any of that.

I'm just saying that it feels like we're dealing with the Vaultech corporation.

I mean, and the evidence is it's weird that something like this would be said after the TV show comes out, too, with having no relationship to the TV show.

Those kinds of weird synchronicities happen quite often.

So these are just things that I think about.

I'd like to know what you think, considering that you have seen the TV show, it feels very eerily similar to vaultech.

Well, I mean, is it that whenever we get to a certain population and things aren't manageable at all anymore than they just drop the nukes and do a reset and start everything over again.

I mean, it could be a possibility.

I mean, I wouldn't put it past them to do that, but I think the things would have to get way worse.

But in the way of like innovation too, I think that looking at it from their perspective and their angle, maybe it's they don't want to be the number one of like innovation and have all this stuff makes things way easier here in the United States because people already want to come here.

Everyone already in the everywhere in the world wants to come to the United States.

They want to live in the United States.

Even though in some instances, like in Japan, a lot of things are better, which I'm we've talked about several times.

There's also disadvantages.

No place is one, right, But if we were also the number one inventor of all this stuff, and we had all this technology that made the way of life one hundred times better than it already is, then there would be nothing but people coming here.

Then there would be a huge, really bad, overcrowning problem that would be unmanageable.

So imagine if we've created the United States as this the best in the world, blah blah blah, even though it might not be compared to some other countries.

We have the perception that it is people want to come here.

It doesn't matter where you're from.

They want to come here.

They want to live here, regardless of how great or not great that it may be in some areas.

Now imagine that same perception.

Mixed with.

The way of life being seventy five years in the future and us being the only places like that.

Letting time destroy everything.

Well, I mean not only that, dude, Like we've talked about this several times too, I mean look at like Chernobyl, Dude, like in a hundred thousand years, like even in a couple of thousand years, where like, if everything was just left the way that it is, there's going to be very little remnants of that we even existed.

So it's already pretty close to that.

At Chernobyl now, I mean, it's already pretty close to that.

And in any I mean look at Detroit.

Look at some of the neighborhoods in Detroit.

They're just grown over with trees and it looks like something from the last of us and that's only been a few decades.

Yeah.

Left if everybody were to be wiped off from the face of the planet right now, let's say no nuclear one, but we just all disappeared, We're just all gone.

What do you think that things are going to look like in two hundred years?

Well, see, this is what you're.

Going to look like in a thousand years, and then quadruple that, what is it going to look like in one hundred thousand years.

Here's those pictures of the Turkish underground carved kind of I guess you could call it a city.

I think many people do classified as a city, Darren Couu, And it makes me think of I think I have pictures of the g can here in Tokyo.

I'm sure you've seen this too, writer.

Look at this.

They call this the temple, and they built this under the city of Tokyo without anybody really knowing it.

And it's not like a conspiracy.

It's a water flood prevention system.

It transports massive quantities of water.

But they call that the temple.

And so if you I don't know what to think of the situation in Turkey at the tunnels, but if you were to compare the two, I look at these images and I think, okay, So just just for as it just a thought experiment.

So the world's destroyed, things get buried, things get covered up, whatever happens, and we go back and we find something in the future.

Today we find Darren Koyu and we look at it and we don't really know what it is.

It's what we call it a city.

I mean, how much different does that look than the temple the g cans in Tokyo.

It kind of has a similar feel to it to me.

For all we know, that could have been what it I mean, I don't think that's what it was.

It has rooms.

I'm just saying it could have been something like that.

We have no idea.

So in the future, when someone discovers this, they're going to think it's probably a religious center, when it's really just a water transport system to prevent flooding.

We have that would probably that would probably be the only thing that would survive in a cataclus.

It probably would here in Japan if there was a cataclysmic global event like that.

This is probably one of the few things that would survive.

It's already underground, it's already protected, and it would just be filled up and maybe it would be discovered at some point one hundred thousand, two thousand years ago or two hund thousand years in the future.

Rather so, I don't know those those kinds of things as thought experiments make me question even some of the alternative narratives about stuff like this.

We just we really don't I really don't know it.

And maybe in some ways it feels like we've taken a different approach to the second half of tonight's show.

But I think that we can connect these things together because, like I said, we were taught.

I think we started talking about this writer because we were saying that all the brilliant people in these programs were taken out and put into the military or put into the even into the press, like some of the listeners in the chat were saying, but put into corporations, recruited into these businesses.

And that's why it feels like we're so behind in technology because everything is done underground, literally and figuratively and behind the scenes, and in other parts of the world that's not necessarily the case.

And so we have we have a vast amount of technological development that's probably quite literally under our feet, well if you're in America, under your feet.

And whatever the reason, whatever the purpose is, it might just a theory.

It might be a result of those special programs for kids of recruiting those people generationally to be able to construct and to build this stuff.

And I don't again, whatever the reason is, I don't know if it's war, if it's natural disaster.

It's possible that it's a natural disaster.

I mean, they keep estimating.

There's another study that came out I think it was back in twenty twenty three where they estimate that there have been massive impacts on planet Earth less than every hundred thousand years.

I mean they estimate now it's like it could be one or two per one hundred thousand years, like we're probably overdue for an impact, or we're close to being due for an impact of like an earth changing, earth shattering, civilization ending strike of something.

And perhaps these people know that and that's what for decades they've known it, so they've built constructed this.

I don't know if that is the case.

I'm just saying that's I guess that's a poser.

It also could just be people that think that they're far superior to everybody else, like Voltech, that they want to manage the end of the world, and so they've prepared for it, whatever it is.

I don't know.

It's a speculation, but I think it does connect to the Gifted Children programs because I think those are the people probably involved in constructing a lot of this stuff to some extent.

Well, that's what we got the Space Force, Ryan, That's what we got the Space Force for.

It's gonna take out that asteroid, bro and knock that asteroid right off course.

I think that if any life altering, life changing catastrophe ever happens, is going to be done on purpose.

I think they'll they'll do it on purpose.

It'll be altered to happen.

I mean, have you read that Adam and eve Bia document.

No, I didn't.

I know what it is, but I don't know what to think of that.

Yeah, that's a document by the CIA.

They basically talks about this huge cataclysm that's going to happen sometime in the future and the only people that are going to survive are going to be on the surface, will be We'll have to be in Colorado around the Rocky Mountains.

I'm sure people would would like me to say Denver Airport, Denver Airport, Denver Airport, Denver Airport, Denver report.

That gets people excited.

Well, that is that because of the height the light of Denver.

They believe that it's going to be a huge flood, tide, a wave, tsunami, some kind of giant flood, sort of like in the Day After Tomorrow, which is one of my favorite Catastrophe Into the World movies, where a giant flood comes through, wipes everything out and then there's a huge freeze.

We are reportedly, since twenty fifteen, were supposed to be as a planet heading toward a miniature ice age.

And we're also report I mean, we're supposed to get a close close call from apafas in the next ten years too, the early twenty thirties.

I think it's like twenty twenty thirty two.

I should double check that.

And I think we're also supposed to see Apofus.

Actually it's twenty twenty nine roughly, and I think it's twenty thirty two.

We're supposed to go through a very dangerous part of the of the Solar System that has been associated with previous cataclysmic events impacts from large objects.

I can't imagine anything else being able to create those kinds of tidal waves.

Will be a second electro Magnetti field where the Earth is going to be in like in alignment with other planets and is going to create another a secondary electro magnete field.

No, I'm not speaking of that.

I'm talking about I don't remember the name of the actual I think it's an asteroid belt, but that in twenty thirty two there's a relatively high chance, and that might also have to do with Apophas.

I think Apophas is supposed to come by twice that there's a very high possibility that there's an impact.

I think it's like one in forty that there's a massive impact on Earth in the next forty.

I think it's four years, but then if it doesn't happen, then it would happen in twenty thirty two, twenty thirty three to thirty four, somewhere around there.

I'm not an expert on this, so these are just things that I've read, but one in forty is a really really high chance or really high possibility of something like that happening.

In fact, there was just a meteor that came down over Japan two days ago.

I think it wasn't a big fireball, and that kind of stuff just happens, and I don't frankly, I don't think that if something like this was going to impact the Earth.

I don't think that anybody would ever be I don't think we'd be informed.

I think that they would have a knowledge of this, and I think that it would probably just be just be preserved for a very select few.

And I mean by the time it hits, there's nothing that you can do about it.

It annihilates the planet in a matter of hours really, so there's there's no reason to even inform people.

I don't know, it's just speculation, it's not something that really it's not intended to scare people it's just I mean, I don't know what other explanation they would have for building such things twenty one trillion dollars of underground facilities.

Is that the Greenbrier didn't cost a trillion dollars.

So we're talking about US cities, We're talking about building an entirely different country underground.

What that could be used for and what they have down there?

I mean to help I do.

You're a good person to talk with this about.

Maybe a writer.

Maybe those stories about Dulce and Area fifty one and S two and S four and Nightmember, Nightmare Hall, maybe all that stuff's true.

Maybe maybe maybe they are aliens.

I don't know.

That's what.

What was that movie A Captive State with John Goodman?

Did you see that?

Yes?

And they had to build these massive underground cities for the aliens because they couldn't live in our atmosphere.

Yeah.

And they had to go underneath the ocean to communicate with the aliens.

Yep, yep, that's right.

John Goodman took that.

It was like an elevator thing or I don't know what it was, but he had to take that elevator down through the and had to have like an atmospheric suit on a breathing system because they couldn't breathe in the alien atmosphere.

And they worked behind the scenes.

You never saw them, they never made an appearance, but they controlled all the governments because they had extremely advanced technology.

You could fight them.

They were building all those underground cities.

Tell you what truth is stranger than fiction.

It's very very interesting to think about.

Well, being an expective guy, but this stuff is really interesting to me.

Go ahead, sorry, I think that the cover story for anything is aliens, right, Like, if there's any kind of truth to underground bases and all that stuff, it's underground military bases used for some kind of fall shorter experimentation, doing these freaking AI human embryos and creating AI wombs and making children and all that, which is really interesting because that's kind of like what the Son of Sam.

I know, you're familiar with The Son of Sam.

I watched the new documentary on Netflix the other day, and well, before I get into that, you know about the world's fars, right, and the orphan trains, Like where did all these freaking orphans come from?

Why were there so many orphans running around?

Why were there so many babies in these freaking incubators, and that you could buy a baby.

You could literally go to the World's Fair and buy a baby.

I don't see.

We've never talked about this, and I would need to know additional context.

But I don't think that it's necessarily as strange as it might appear, because you can already, if you have enough money today, you can already do this.

It's not maybe as public because it's more for the wealthy, but you can go to I think there are companies in China for sure.

I'm sure they're in the US too.

You can pay to have a baby designed.

I mean they actually call them.

I can pull up the article they call them designer babies, so you can essentially buy test Tube designer babies already today.

I mean these are stories from like ten years ago too that I was reading about this, So I mean, if we're talking about maybe lost technology, I mean, I don't believe that everything we've learned about history is accurate.

It's very possible that something equivalent to this was happening in those days as well.

I mean, there's all sorts of different stories about this.

In fact, some people have been jailed for doing that.

Oh yeah, absolutely, but it's like, where did all these babies come from?

Why are there so many orphans, what are they doing?

Why are they all in these incubators.

And there was this whole network surrounding this kind of stuff where people were told that their parents had died.

They were told their entire life that their real parents were, that their real parents died, but they really didn't die.

And so it seems like a program that's like running, like just.

Like parents that sometimes are told their kids died, but the kids didn't.

Die exactly, it's exactly right.

But it seems like this.

Program where okay, well we'll artificially create all of these kids, will genetically engineer them, will crisper them up.

You can purchase these babies, but you have to tell them a certain thing.

You're obviously not their real parents, and if you ever want to tell them that you're not their real parents, you got to tell.

Them that their parents, their real parents, died.

And it sounds like a program, like something that is something very nefarious behind that.

And that's what happened to the son of Sam Killer now, regardless if you believe that he's actually the one that did it, because there's a lot of theories and conspiracies around it, but that's what happened to him.

He was told that his parents had died.

He got involved with this network in New York of all these people, and he was like, I want to find out about my mom.

And he said.

The people asked them, oh, well, what happened to your mom, and he said, well, she died.

And then the people that were doing the interview or whatever to figure out about his parents just laughed and he said, why are you laughing, And they said, we've all been told.

That same story.

I want you to look at this actually took you off the screen.

Here we go.

I want you to look at this writer.

So this was the like a year ago where they the Department of Homeland Security estimated three hundred thousand immigrant children were missing.

That's just immigrant children, three hundred thousand.

This is world population review.

This is a really small underestimate.

But this is for all fifty states.

So just so far this year, there have been twenty five thousand, five hundred and forty four missing kids.

Now, like with UFOs, this is just my assessment.

So if you have a different opinion, let me hear it.

But if you have, like the UFO subject, if you sit there and try to explain away what's actually happening here, you have Most of the time, when kids go missing or when kids are kidnapped, they're usually with people that they know.

They're with parents, they're with an uncle, they're with a cousin, there was somebody that they know a lot of.

I mean, because you consider kidnapping cases to also be when you know, maybe the father or the mother takes the child when they're not legally supposed to, that's considered kidnapping.

Know that the kid doesn't disappear, they're with a parent, but it's just it's still called kidnapping.

You take them across state lines.

So when you sit there and you go through all of the Okay, that's an airplane, that's swamp gas, that kind of stuff, which I think that's a joke.

But when you go through all that stuff, you do get a handful of cases, and in this case, probably tens of thousands of cases that are not explainable.

Same thing with people missing in the woods.

Yet, it's very easy to go missing in the woods, but it's usually not the case where you go missing in one place and within a short period of time, they find you three hundred miles away, or they find a kid.

There's a case in the Carolina's a couple of years ago where this kid went missing from the backyard around other people.

It just vanished, and then they found him.

They looked for his remember the story.

They looked for him for three days, freezing rain.

There was even I think minor flooding, freezing rain, freezing temperatures, and the kid not only survived, but it was like nothing had even happened to him.

He was tangled up in a bush in outside the fence of where the property was in the woods.

But they had police, they had family, They looked for this kid.

They looked throughout the whole area and could not find him.

I mean, that might that's a whole other subject.

But I guess the point of what I'm getting at here, other than that there's a lot of different reasons for why these things might happen, is that when if you're talking about orphan trains, the context of that is kind of like you know, World War Two and the stories of gulags or concentration camps.

Most of the time we're talking about estimated numbers, and we're also talking about a lot of times we just see pictures and if you see a picture of a bunch of kids, or you see a picture what we call the orphan trains or whatever the case might be, once you verify the pictures real, you know.

I think the difference between a few cases of that and then the hundreds of thousands of people that go missing for other reasons, I think that there's probably a logical This is just my assessment.

I think there's probably a logical reasoning, a logical explanation for those things that are not necessarily part of some larger conspiracy.

And again, I think that because today in the modern world where we track everything, everything is tracked.

I mean, there are close to half a million just in the US immigrant and people that are citizens kids that go miss and that's today, and you don't see them on orphan trains, you don't see them in these programs.

Things go underground.

I think we're just so in my opinion, I think we're just so used to seeing things like we have access to so much information that if we don't see it directly, it must be part of some larger conspiracy, or if we don't, we don't know the context of something from the past.

Because we just learned it, it must be part of some larger conspiracy.

I'm not saying it's not.

I just think that when you compare it to the number of people that go missing today, which is far more than what missing in the past, or people that were orphaned or whatever the case was, there's I think there's probably a rational, logical, bizarre reason for that.

That's just my assessment, but go ahead, please.

Yeah, I think that even the stranger ones is the people that go missing and disappear in the forest and the people are looking for them for a really long time, and then their remains are found where they had been searched for for Yes, that that's really really weird.

And some of the survivors from the missing for one one, and some of the most interesting ones, like some of the kids that has survived it, how really interesting stories.

There's one of this kid that went missing for a while and said that his dead grandma took him into an underground facility.

We had like all these weapons and all this stuff, and like there was like robots and stuff down there and she stayed with them.

Yeah, that one's wild.

Then there's a h another one of a kid that his grandma heard him like in the distance, and he was missing for like a really long time, and then he was just he was found in like a cave that was like laying down on like a bunch of leaves.

He said that there was like a like a big hairy man that helped him.

That I remember that, and there's a story similar to that back in the eighteen hundreds.

I forget the girl's name, maybe Mary or something, but she said that something.

I mean that was one hundred, one hundred years plus ago, and she said something very similar.

You know, some large hairy type, maybe a bigfoot type creature looked after I think the kid in Carolina said something similar to that too.

In fact, let me if I can find that.

Yeah, yeah, here it is.

I just found it.

This is I'll bring this up on the screen.

Let's see if I can find the Actually that article is not loading.

Yeah, So the kid's name was it was Casey Hathaway.

And he said something maybe that's maybe that's what you're referring to, or it's a separate story.

Casey Hathaway claims friendly bear, A friendly bear looked after him.

Yes, this is the kid that was found tangled in like a bush, but he said that the bear took care of him.

It's almost like a bigfoot type thing I found also.

So this is from the National Council for Adoption, just to provide some context to the orphan trains, which they say was like it was like a welfare program, right, the orphan trains to transport kids from crowded cities to foster homes.

That's what they claim that it is.

But I'm just trying to be logical about this.

So this is today, This is modern data.

The historical data, I'm sure it's a lot more difficult to come by, but the National Council for Adoption estimates there are three hundred and forty three thousand, seventy seven children in care and that's just legal foster care trying to get kids adopted.

That's over a quarter of a million kids.

So I mean, just think about that.

If you were to take a port just a tiny percentage of those kids and you were to move them by train, which we wouldn't do today because we have would fly them probably or bust them.

But if you would have put them on a train and take some pictures of that, you could come up with the same type of imagery as these as these orphan trains, you could come up with the same idea that without contacts, like, oh, there's some larger conspiracy here.

But today we have over quarter million kids that are an orphan, that are orphans.

I'm just again, I'm trying to bring some some reasoning to this, but I'm also right.

But the thing is is orphan means that you don't have a mother or a father.

That's what an orphan means.

Yes, these people that are in foster care doesn't mean that their orphans.

It means that they were either taken away they were unruly kids and unruly childs.

They were taken away.

From their parents.

Doesn't mean that their parents, that they don't have parents, or their parents are as orphans.

Something completely different.

And that brings up another thing.

The teen behavioral modification camps that started in Utah, Okay.

That's a very real thing.

Kidnapping kids in the middle of the night.

Their parents paid these companies large sums of money to come and kidnap their kid out of their bed in the middle of the night, throw handcuffs on them, throw them into the to the back of a black as suv and take them to one of these teen behavioral modification schools.

And that started in Utah.

It was a camp, but there's a documentary about it on Netflix.

It's called Hell Camp.

That's kind of where it started.

And then it evolved out of that and then became like boarding schools and like these schools in like Upstate New York and Ivy Ridge and Provo Canyon, which Paris Hilton went to in Utah as well.

It's it's a teen behavioral modification and it seems like that it's also m k Ultra as well.

Like you would probably go, I'm sorry, go ahead, go ahead.

Now, I'm just saying that they would traumatize them and make them do things they would like conform them to like well, and they were locked down.

They weren't able to leave there.

And a lot of them were there until they were eighteen years old, until they and they got a fake diploma.

Their diplomas weren't even real, they were fake diplomas.

So they were there.

They would learn from a computer seven days a week.

There were no teachers.

They would do everything.

They would learn everything from a computer.

Then whenever they were getting ready to graduate, then they could leave once they turned eighteen, they were you know, officially an adult, and they wouldn't be able to be held there against their will anymore because they're an adult.

Then they would be given a diploma that wasn't even a real diploma.

It's so sickening.

That is so bizarre.

I've heard about that.

Maybe you told me about that one time.

I was also, so I looked up.

You're right, there's a obviously there's a diference between orphans and people in the foster care system.

But there's an estimate in the US.

We just have an estimate.

We don't know for sure, but it's like two point I think it's two point one million according to Nature Medicine and twenty twenty one two point let me double check this.

Two point nine million orphans in the US.

So there's actually more orphans than there are kids in the foster care system.

There are a lot of orphans today too.

Plus, I mean, I don't know.

You got to think about the time period in which that orphan trained thing was happening.

If we're talking about the mid eighteen hundreds to the early nineteen hundreds, you're talking about a time when we still had not perfected we haven't even done it today, but perfected hygiene and you know, sanitation.

So and people worked ridiculous hours.

Kids worked in factories, and parents didn't always come home from factories, and so a lot of kids might have been orphaned because their parents died at Ork or died in terrible conditions.

I mean, you look at like New My god, if you look at New York, London was worse.

But if you look New York in the eighteen hundreds and the early nineteen hundreds, I mean it was a shanty town.

People literally lived in like sewage ridden basements.

There's like sewage on the floor, it's disgusting.

Like a family of fifteen twenty people extended family would share one toilet that didn't even flush half the time.

So that could also contribute to why there were so many orphans.

There's so many people that I'm just trying to look at it from a different point of view, is all that I'm saying.

But the other stuff that you're adding, I agree with you.

And that's the reason we had, you know, the show set up for tonight, because a lot of people do get drawn into those types of experiments and programs, and I think it just makes logical sense that those kinds of things exist because of what we do publicly to kids, what we do publicly to adults.

Why wouldn't this stuff be done behind the scenes.

Anyway, I just I don't personally, I don't buy the orphan train conspiracy, whatever that might be.

But I just I wanted to add that we could talk about the world's fair stuff because I have some perspectives on that, But anyway, go ahead.

No, It's just interesting that no one ever has figured out where the kids came from, Like where did the babies come from?

Why were there so many babies, why were they all in incubators?

And why could you buy a baby?

And why did people act like they had never seen a baby before in their lives.

A very strange amount of things that are going on there.

And I'm not saying that there is any conspiracies about it, but if you're talking about a repopulation of the world after a global cataclysm, that's what you would do.

You would put babies out for sale because you needed to repopulate the world and give babies, And there would be all these orphans right that came from wherever, And if you look at like the whole thing of the you know, the Sumerian kings list and how it was all you know, after a big cataclysm, they would you know, ordaining a person and they would bring back down the knowledge, you know.

I mean, maybe that's not something that's like literal.

Maybe that's meaning like a receding of the population.

Maybe that's not like like knowledge like we think that it means.

Maybe it's like an actual receding of people because they've all died, whether that be a cataclysm, a sickness or whatever, they were just all wiped out and then the population needed to be reseated again.

It's interesting.

I'm not saying that it's fact or even that I believe it.

I just think that it's an interesting theory in an interesting proposition to have but one percent the kidnapping the children has happened.

It's you know, that was a part of the team behavioral modification camps and the schools that is real, which is a part of the Institute TV series in on MGM plus.

Like that's how it opens up.

Is a kid being kidnapped out of his bed at his parents' house.

That's verifiable.

We have the document that I just showed you that.

You know, it's kind of speculation whether the sun Street document, whether that has to do with you know, SRI actually testing kids.

We have what people are being triggered with, which is the voice of the Monroe Institute Gatewight Gateway tapes, the Hemi sync tapes.

That is verifiable.

How people are remembering the Gateway Hemi sync tapes in public school Who knows how did that happen?

Did the SRI have a contract with the Monroe Institute, The Monroe Institute have a contract with the government, which then in turn would be a contract with the public schools and the education system.

I mean, that would be the way to do it.

You would test these kids in a public setting.

You would tell their parents that they were part of some sort of that they're very special or they're very stupid.

Depending on what state that you're in, and depending on the conditions and the way that they were raised, the type of trauma that they would have, you would give a different explanation depending on where in the country you're raised and born and where you live.

Then it would bring that.

Then that way you can get all the smart kids and the people that could make any great, large impact out of the out from keeping any kind of innovation, So then you would have them working for you, and you would be able to stifle any kind of real change that could possibly be made in the future.

And that's just one level to it.

That's just one layer to the whole thing.

There's many other layers to it that I haven't quite nailed down yet, but that's my first one.

Because several people like I mentioned that I've talked to a Chris christn what's up?

Why does writer look like he's in the basement, always always in the basement routs because I have I don't.

Have any lights on bunkers.

I mean, I've been in the seven trillion dollar made underground bunkers that.

They cost twenty one dollars, not twenty one trillion, that's right.

Twenty one abouteen hunder bucks, about fifty.

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