What up, y'all?

This is your main man, Memphis Bleak right here.

Welcome to rock Solid, a production of iHeart Radio and the Black Effect Network in partnership with my guys over at Drink Champs.

Big with this year Memphis, I'm back at the niggas.

Notice the difference, just more prone present, no stones.

Yeah yeah, y'all you already know what it is.

Back with another exclusive episode of rock Solid.

And like I always tell you, you see anybody on this platform, it's one of two things, and this gentleman right here is both.

He's solid and he was part of the rock.

I want to welcome my brother Jim Jones to the motherfucking building and we here artists to artists.

Yeah, holler, jeez, been a minute, my ge oh, man, gop oh, what's up my brother?

Yo, it's been forever man looking good, doing good, family, doing good.

Man.

Yeah, glass slam with you and my brother.

I've been watching your moves, seeing the things you've been doing.

I don't I don't even know where to uh where to start.

History.

We haven't out that.

But but besides, before the history, I knew who Memphis Bleak was, right.

I knew Memphis Bleak for being So you gotta figure we taking it back to the mid nineties, Yeah, ninety.

Eight, ninety nine, that's when we started linking for sure.

Even before that, before before our before our real thing, we knew who Memphis Bleak was her through all of the albums which you have featured on with Jay.

Yeah.

Yeah, so.

You've been in those days like Bleak, that's j little man Like.

I know for a fact that that position was a very powerful position for you at a such a very young age, from starting hearing you on to come up.

Yup, yup, yup, coming to age and all these records Marcie, the Hollywood Me and Sauce Money.

That shit was different, Jim.

I ain't gonna front man like, I ain't gonna sit here and act like yeah I knew or I was ready.

I had no fucking idamn my nigga.

All I knew is I wanted to impress my hood and I wanted the chicks to school to know.

I got busy, So that was it.

I had no idea it was gonna turn into this, you know what I'm saying.

So I was just riding with the dogs.

But growing into that position of power.

I don't know if you would understand the type of power that you possessed from being that close to damn it, the world's favorite, world's favorite rapper.

I know, man, some would say I didn't take advantage, But it's like what you said, I didn't.

I didn't know, man, Like you know what I'm saying, Like things was happened is so fast that I never got a chance.

To Sometimes it's not about taking advantage.

You know what I'm saying.

I commend you for everything that you did do And that's what I'm and this is what we're getting at.

The position you hold was a very dead position, and most people wouldn't understand that until they in that position, and things like that, and things that we don't think about that most people think about because they watching it.

Exactly and they're not living it exactly.

So naturally, the first thing a person is going to say looking at a person like you, was, oh, he didn't he didn't take full.

Advantage what he had with you.

I would have did this, so I would have did it this way.

I had that all the time.

Bro.

I do know for a fact that you took full advantage because of the love and loyalty you got for your big brother.

That's a fact.

I did what was available.

You know what I'm saying.

I didn't try to overstep or offend because, like like I always say, I wasn't.

The only one.

It was a long list, you.

Know what I'm saying.

I had to play the background and wait for my turn, you know what I mean.

It was source money, it was jazz, Oh, it was Christian.

They had round and then it was Ja trying to pop off.

So it was like Yo, I got to just sit there anxiously patiently and anxiously waiting, you know what I'm saying.

That's why guys like Lenny s is very important to me because he the one who sing the frustration and gave me the outlet.

Like yo, I got the studio.

I know, producers, let's lock in and let's work.

And that led to you know what I mean, you stay damn through all of it.

And most of the names that you mentioned, I haven't heard those names in years and years.

But the name that I do here in.

The whole Rocket Fuller Dynamic, yeah, has been bleaked, you know what I mean?

And I know what that position.

You had to come against a lot of adversity and a lot of hate because I know how what it comes with.

Definitely, I know you came up across a lot of hate.

It I don't want to say it's hate, because you know, sometimes people have opinions and we just judge it as hate and we automatically say that.

But it was a lot of hate from the hood from like more hate I say came from those I knew than the people I don't know, because they got opinions and it's just their opinions.

So I'm never gonna call them haters, you know what I'm saying.

But a lot of a lot of the down talking.

Ain't gonna do it all, you know the place, like man ain't gonna never make it, ain't gonna never blow This rap shit is bullshit that came from those I knew more than the ones I did.

But like I could say the same thing for you man, being the capito of the set, you know what I'm saying, Like you had this almost the similar the same pressure of being the underdog to one of the top dogs from Harlem out of New York City period.

So it's like we both sitting here mirroring, mirroring the same position like you know what I'm saying.

So you under if anybody understand the pressure and the the hate, as they would say I dealt with, is you because I know you dealt with the same thing.

Yeah, I dealt with a lot of things when it came to being that close to kim Hm.

The power I possessed in myself came with a bunch a bunch of a lot of things, especially from people that are close to your, people that you do know and things like that.

Those are the people who usually show they hand first, you know what I mean, usually show the hate or the discomfort or usually show I mean.

And I had to learn how to deal with that.

Yeah.

Yeah, it took me a long time learning how to deal with that because I didn't understand, yo, where was coming from or where was stemming from.

Because there was some people that I did things for that they couldn't imagine, They couldn't even pay me back to this day.

And it was like even those people.

Yeah, it's and I had to learn quick because it's weird because word up, when the hard knocked life to it happened, that's when the separation I feel like happened from a lot of my friends because Jay and them was on some shit, Yo.

They only could bring one nigga.

Now, mind you, you in the hood, it's seventy of y'all.

It's fifty friends you hanging with old day.

And now you got to sit there and think which one of these niggas, I'm a tall he could roll and the other one hundred they gonna be mad.

But it didn't matter who I picked it was.

The results would have still been the same, you know what I'm saying.

So I felt like when I came back off that tour, the welcome home wasn't It wasn't the welcome back may song?

Trust Me?

So was you still Was you still in the projects when you came back off that tour?

Hell yeah, I was still in the Jack Show.

Bro That was the That's the thing people don't understand.

I didn't move out the projects until my first album came out.

So coming to Age one, it's all right.

Coming in Age two Hard Knocked Life tour, I was in Massy my g I used to feel.

Like the King of New York.

But the broke one, not not the lick one like that, was the broke one.

Because we had.

Come off tour and you know that was back then when we had the Square King of New York limos and we'd be in the limo, the limo dropping everybody off Dame up town on first, you know what I mean, rapping Rod, doing them all off up shout out Rod, Dude, dropping off Sauce and dropping off Jay downtown where the Barclay's at now.

And then when everybody done, that ship pulling up in Moss.

So for a split second, I was like, yeah, I'm that nigga.

But when I get upstairs, they realized, Man, I'm still in the hood.

I got a lot of work to do.

It didn't It didn't feel so good to me, you know what I mean.

I know how you feel.

I was.

I was in the projects.

If I think I was fortunate enough to end up getting raided the projects, I was.

So ignorant in a lot of ways during that time that I.

Probably I would have tried to stay in projects to a whole lot of the success, you know what I mean.

Ship, I thought it was possible, especially hearing niggas like, if you're a project nigga, you you thought niggas possible, that's your project.

You worry about too much?

No, is what you totally use sushi habitat like, and a lot of people don't understand that you like were not taught certain things.

He told us what we got, like, that's right, get ready to park Landbow's Roads.

Everything right there, jeury in Yo, bro and I used to do that shit, man.

And I thank God for Tatti man because Tatar was the one who really woke me up.

Like that nigga one day, Yo, we used to park the bench in front of the building.

I had all kind of bikes, four wheelers being down there every day.

And one day I seen Tati in the studio went the baseline after leaving the hood.

That nigga was like, Yo, you're gonna die.

And I'm looking at that nigga like, damn.

Nigga's like you think you some tough guy.

Something you don't even know.

Man, I'm getting all kind of calls around Brooklyn.

Niggas is laying on you and you ain't even focused.

You out there running around with the little homies like the oh Jesus making calls about you.

Niggas is parking outside the projects, laying on you, watching your moves.

He was like, if you don't listen to me bleak, you're gonna die, and you know me, I was like, damn if the og if TA gonna give me that game, I'm gonna listen, you know what I'm saying.

So I started making my moves a little bit more rare to the project.

From the same project.

Yeah yeah, yup, Ta Ti, Me, Sauce, Jazz ol j Tati, all of us from the same projects, like none of different buildings, like Tati from across the park from me, Sauce from across the building from him, and Jazz from on on the other side.

You know what I mean, j from my building.

You know what I'm saying.

I want to learn the dynamic of how it really happened.

So he had it, he saw you, Yeah, growing up, that's why.

Yeah.

No, definitely, like me and j family is closer than that's like my family, his sisters, that's like my second mother, his mother, that's like my mother.

Real project to build a ship, project building like anybody, apartment front.

So Jay and them always been the niggas, So I always wanted to be a part of that life.

Like seeing these niggas with the bikes, the cars, the girls, the jury, like the money everything.

I used to just be sitting there like figure out what he was doing.

He was out there doing it in the project.

Oh no, my g So he was the older nigga that used to look up to was getting money.

They was rolling my gen like, I mean rolling, bro, like they was doing they thing to the point where I knew, whatever going on in my apartment ain't going on in that apartment, and I need to figure out what's going on upstairs on.

The fifth floor.

Fifth floors.

Yep.

Yeah.

I was on the third and he was on the fifth.

And then one day I just seen him a clock and shot my shot and that was it.

Bro.

That's why niggas try to be you know on that bio j Rod coming to age and all that shot.

Knowing him or knowing him, Yeah, but he ain't No I racked.

So he was shipping on me like back then they used to call me Little Dre because everybody knew my brother.

So I was He's like, man, stop pullshit, little Dre.

You don't rap.

You ain't got no bars, nigga, you ain't shit.

So Clark was like, they'll let me hear something.

Rest in peace, clock camp, and I spit for them, and Clark was like, yo, yo, that record that we got, he'd probably be good for that, and word, I had like one.

Shot, bro, Clark can is so special not to cut you off.

The first time I ever got the freestyle on the radio with Cam doing his his rug album promo Run, I never forget.

It was a hot ninety seven nervous and ship you heard.

I don't even rap at this point.

They teaching me and making me and shit, now I'm at the radio, they gotta do a freestyle.

So I did a freestyle on the team.

Everybody didn't damn this shitting on me.

After the freestyle, shit it on you go downstairs.

Oh don't let him freestyle no more?

Ever, Cam, No, don't, don't no way.

On Mama's you heard one nigga that was dead.

It was Clark.

Camp said many come in.

He said, yo, Bro, you went crazy on that shit.

Don't listen to these niggas.

They got to touch it right yo, keep digging, bro, I promise you gonna go.

Clark always respected Clock for that for that day because that shit they did right there, and mister who I was, Yeah, I'm just a project nigga, y'all to put me in there, they couldn't not a zone.

I'm not here.

They could have discouraged you too, man.

You know what I'm saying, one hundred percent clock rest in peace.

Clock.

But the ship we just was talking about.

Clark is the only nigga who did what we dreamed of doing.

You know he was He stayed in Brooklyn where he was raised, that in that house, bought it and never moved like I always respected that, Like, damn, Clark, give you a real one.

But you know to this day that was the same house.

Yeah, we do it.

We didn't come into age in that basement.

Bro.

I think we did come into age in nineteen ninety four.

Five.

It came out in ninety six, and Clark still had that house.

Bro.

That's incredible, insane, my G.

Like were but you you put a lot of imprint on the game too, my G.

Like coming up through dipset and making your rank.

It's like, what was it like being the underdog watching Cam back then, waiting for.

Your your shine?

I wasn't waiting for my shine like I took it, you know, I mean I wasn't that.

That wasn't something that was important to me.

Well, something was important was Cam.

That was the end all all in that dynamic.

That was the important, most important thing for me.

So whatever he was telling me to do at the time as partners and dig and as the boss of this whole situation and ship like that, I was like, it didn't matter.

Yeah, I had to fixed walls.

I was gonna fix walls.

It just right.

And that ended up being able to figure out how to rap.

And he was like, YO, figure it out, and if you could, if you could rap like you act outside of the streets, and I got you, We're gonna figure that shit out.

And he kind of kept me in the loop with all all of this, all of his albums and ship like that.

But that wasn't my fullte My fullte was making sure he was good so we could be good.

That's right, And I I like my thing too.

Would rap?

I always tell people personality is more important than lyrics, lifestyle is He like, you know what I'm saying.

So I always tell people like you say, Yo, I ain't know how to rap.

I had to learn how to rap, But your personality was the force of themself, was the force of cam movement.

Anytime CAM in the move, like even when I sat there and did the interview I Cam.

I told him, Man, the.

Nigga I fucked with the most out your crew was Jimmy, Like you know what I mean, And everybody I feel like felt like that from even back then before we linked up, when we used to be at shows and shit, remember we still used to kick it be backstage, blowing it down, Cam and them'ld be over there.

But I always fucked with you, Zeke and all y'all.

You know what I'm saying.

So yet influence shine brighter than your lyrics, like to me, and no matter what you did, like, we both.

Had a mission, bro overall, I knew what was at stake for both sides.

I knew that we had to build alliances.

I knew that he wasn't really building alliances m because he figured he was I'm camming.

Yeah, I'm that nigga.

He's supposed that.

Back then, you had to move like that, right you all that that's right, You do yours and then I'm gonna do That's right.

I called it.

I was outside.

I call it.

I call it life outside the velvet rope.

Yeah, I was outside.

So I had to mix with a lot of different people from to the industries, to everything because we had a movement that we was building it in.

So I'm trying to keep cam a start and still make the movement be known so it could push that level, you know what I mean.

Like it's just it was a lot of different variables to the whole ship.

It became difficult a lot of times and ship like that.

But almost all my my end or position was just to do whatever it took to make us win.

When so we get the bag and nobody would have to depend on nobody, this ship all crumbles, and I think we did that.

That's a fact.

No, y'all definitely did that.

Man, Like what was your feeling like when y'all first got signed to the Rock?

Like like how you what was your was signed to the rock?

So that was the whole thing too, Like let's let's let's let's the whole difference that movement because then y'all dropped the compul I showed independent.

Wrector is the first artist Damnitar in New York City to do an independent deal.

Remember I tried to sign and told Damon to give me a million dollars.

He laughed at me.

I said cool, and I was like, yo, I direct engineer.

I was telling them all this type of shit.

He was like, Yo, you ain't worth a million dollars.

I was like, cool, I know we had.

We had did the label deal up there, and Jewell's was the first artist that was signed over under the label deal that we did with Diplomat and Rockefeller and shit, Jim Jones never had a deal up a Rockefeller.

I called, I got a bag and ship like that from when it's Cam soigned the deal and ship like that.

But he gave me like seventy five thousand dollars.

It was cool.

Damn, that's crazy.

I thought you had the whole label deal and all of y'all was signed, because even when the compilation came out, I pretty much did my deal on my own.

Cam's my partner.

I wasn't signed to Cam Camus my partner.

I was.

I was one of the CEOs.

I wouldn't get my deal at Cotch.

Yeah yeah, telling Cam like, yo, don't matter where we go.

As long as people know it's a Diplomat and it's a different artist, they gonna go buy the records no matter if it's get jammed Kotch whatever.

We went to catch and did an independent record deal and shit like that.

And I was like, the one of the big big stories behind my success was like, as I took a gamble on Damn, I was to an independent label.

I don't think nobody really know that, bro, I don't think nobody know that story.

I'm pretty sure people think, just like me, that you was signed to them.

That's crazy that you didn't know that.

Not actually wasn't signed to the Rock as a as a as a businessman, and I wasn't even signed as a businessman.

It was just I don't even want to get into the all right, But that was my partner.

I was told that I was CEO, but my name wasn't on nobody's paper.

But during that time I was a CEO the Diplomats and he had all the business going through Rockefeller.

But that was my man, like I said, and I would do anything he asked me to do because you're my man, praying that you would take care of me the same way I'm taking care of you.

Going story, show up, whatever and shit like that.

But yeah, during that time, Damns, the deal was with Rockefeller for the label.

Juels was the first artist under that.

All I other did it was and all that was bringing the costa after I had the success of catch Camp, start bringing more diplomatic art artists over there and doing doing that type of ship because you.

Definitely was the first artist on cot.

Right, well, I was the most successful artist on Cotch, but from Diplomature first.

That you know, Cocha has been an independent label for years.

They did a lot of records, even going back to dealing with Fat Joe and all this tues so they was already moving and ship like that, but not at the capacity of a death jam.

And that's why they was called independent label at that time.

So I was able to uh catapult the Diplomat's success with the deal that I was doing with Cotch, and it just rolled over to old Jim Jones.

Diplomat an't care about cost Let's go get the album.

And I was lucky enough to catch that catch that wave like that.

Harlem Harlem, Yeah, motherfuckers.

Man.

It's a lot of lot of great people came out of Hallard.

Yeah, like and you know what's so weird that being from Brooklyn, we consider this ship all one, the Bronx Yonkers, all that shit on one, because all y'all think is hanging the same places, you know what I'm saying.

So to us, I feel like we don't know the difference.

So I compare.

I put it all into the one pot.

But y'all made y'all mark as a group.

But then you made your mark as.

A solo artist, as a boss on your own outside the group.

How you feel about that?

I mean, I feel good that I was able to use my success and hard work that I had with the Diplomats and turn that into Jim Jones's solo career success and everything that came with all my business affairs and ancillary business that I was able to create from Diplomats and things like that.

It felt good, you know what I mean.

And nothing was promised.

It was all God being next to me and things like that.

But the hard work that I put in being consistent or was showing up, being relentless, not taking note for enough and trying shit, try and shit, losing, losing, winning big, losing a million times, win big again, like I did it all, Like I just refused to stop, you know what I mean.

And that was one of the things that served me the best.

Was my relentlessness in this game.

I remember, you don't know this, right, but I'm speed.

We're gonna definitely backtrack a little bit too.

But this was after the Rockefeller break up his ship and I remember going through the city.

I just I just got to the this.

When Rockefeller was leaving the Death Gym building, we was out fiftieth Remember that was the building we was.

That was the building.

And when we.

Left that building, they was like, yo, Jim Jones got an a n R deal at Atlantic.

I remember, like, yo, y'are fucking lion and on that, Nah, somebody gotta hire me.

I was hating.

I ain't goll front of you.

I was was not feeling that.

I'm like Kaiser, I called Kaiser, what the you know?

What's going on?

Dog?

I need to dig and ship it on me?

Like, nah, you can I believe how the fuck you pulled loud one.

I mean, I always been had a great mind when it came to market and even as a kid for playing with g I Joe.

So this stuck with me.

But I got a chance in Deaf Jim when we did the diplomat deal to pop up in one of these marketing meetings, and that served me the best purpose.

Me and Kim wasn't agreeing on the things that they were doing at the time about diplomatics, and I was like, there's no way we could be seen like that.

So I made a little bit of a deck so bullet points of what we need and shit like that.

It made the main copies for everybody, and shit, I went down there the thing I still on the table, gave everybody copies of the shit, Kevin Lows and all that shit.

They all went through it, and Kevin Lows was amazed and called me upstairs, like I want to pay you.

I think ten or fifteen thousand dollars a month to be a consultant.

So I actually was a consultant while we was in Rockefeller that I didn't tell nobody about it like that.

I just was taking the consultant check for that.

And then remember that whole shit stopped, Kevin Lee all left Death Jam popped back up with the Warner Music group shit, And then keV called me for a meeting one day and I started my music.

This is one.

I'm Jim Jones a rapper too.

So keV caught me down.

I know he got all this money, they got the new label.

I'm thinking like, oh, I'm about to get a nice ye okay, I bet so I go over there.

He's like, yo, bro, I know you're doing music, but that's not my concern.

You're way smaller than music.

I know how to make you super duper rich.

I'm like, well, like, I want you to be an executive here.

He like, not just any executive.

It's going to be Leon, myself and then you everybody else in this all of these buildings, Atlantic, everybody, Todd, Mosco, was Joe Yahia all worked for you in that capacity.

This is a very very important job.

But I need you next to me because I've seen what you could do this with Kevin telling me I shit like that.

So that's how I ended up being the A and R director for Warner Music Group, not for the group, not for Wanner wrect for everything was Atlantic under there.

It was all the labels sold.

That was my position.

I just heard it was.

Both buildings had office in Leon building had offices in the Atlantic building, had had two labels in the building.

Aside for me having the an all position that like Nigga, I was in there cooking.

But that's another thing too, that that like so.

Me being who I am, very passionate and very small and and and I love business because I see things from a different and one of the things that fucked me up in that position where I kind of left that was one day and then don't we just talking stories?

One day I'm coming out, I'm walking with Kevin and le yoor Cam and Dame walking in the building.

Dame said, you you are working now, Yoe.

You're a pumper.

You know these niggas, you know, yo, everybody old niggas he pumpa for Kevin loves you know, Kim always want to interject and ship like that.

And I was just I was on fire, bro.

That shit.

Really, that shit really bent me in a different position, Like I was like, I ain't doing this ship.

But no, it wasn't that.

I was more mad at what they did her because you undermine what I got going exactly expect the position I had, but maybe knew they could never be in that position or where I was going, so they did some shit to to tear me from where I was actually heading.

Yo, you wanna see what I'm saying.

You know, I always tell niggas that you gotta watch jokes because some niggas can say some serious shit to your playful way because they know you would take it to the left way if they said it serious to you.

So they say it in a joking way, So you gotta really pay attention to jokes because it'd be a lot of disrespect and motherfucker be like, you know, you laughing thinking they playing, But niggas is dad as serious and that could have been that, you know, hate disguise.

This is a joke, Bro, you said some shit to me that you was already doing.

Nigga, you was Lee or doup boy.

That's why you had so much anty ches them because you you not nobody boss in that situation.

You was your boss.

That's right.

While you walked in that building with me them niggas, somebody else was your boss.

Everybody Rockefellow was a label.

There was somebody else that was your boss.

So you walked into a building where I became a big executive at and taught me what I'm doing is wrong when nigga you doing the same thing.

And I never told nobody about this like this in this world.

I'm just telling you, that's how that shit struck me.

I would have this.

Nigga is like trying to undermine my ship and me being so loyal you never said nothing.

Yeah, but I learned a valuable lesson and moving forward, I knew how to handle myself in those positions and through that that that that fucked it up, but it was cool.

I learned a lot there.

Was able to take that knowledge that I had there and moving on and ended up with the record called Ball, And so the joke ended up on them, that's right, and I being an executive and had the number one record in the country on your niggas and then you imagine.

You understand I'm trying to say.

So it was like a lot of different ship like that coming up.

We used to be fuck me up like God, but I know where to come from, you heard.

I totally know where the comfortable.

But it ain't here to bash.

Nobody talk about it.

I'm just telling you how it made me feel a class But through all of that, nigga could have did anything he wanted you to me, because that's how loyal I was to.

Him, you heard.

That's why though they try to I'm never going to get a niggas as fucking executive at Warner's All Music Group.

Now my own executive exactly.

You heard.

I got a whole facility building my own relations bro on record label, clothing line, casting clothing line.

Were just gonna run it up.

Everything I learned off of every mistake that I had to go through and every loss that I had to take.

Now we're gonna put this shit on the winning street.

It's a fact, man.

Like I feel like as artists, we always take our losses, but our losses is visible, you know what I'm saying, and the loss of loved ones when they passed, Like I remember when you first signed Stack Bundles Rest in Peace.

Stack, Like, to me, I felt like you was the right one for him because he first was with Clue and Clue didn't.

Know where he had bro.

You know, you know, you know the story.

I sound Stacked, Nah, one of the illest niggas.

Now, definitely he was first.

First of all, I heard Stack on the radio.

Didn't know who he was.

I know, you know if Cam and that dip said ship, you know you don't love me.

He was doing the rock.

He kept saying the rock, and I'm like, this did did and this is the time.

Where things going on.

So I'm like this nigga sounds to the rock, Like what the fuck is going on?

Like that this little niggah.

I see him screaming of the desert storm shipped and then with Clue and I started he and I'm like, I like this kid.

And I seen him one day at the club.

He had on a big blue fur.

He said some flash it to me.

I told him, you know my mouth, the little nigga don't play out here.

But I was like, I still built the bridge.

And then somebody call him, like, yo, pull up, Jim, want to speak you at the studio And he pulled up a couple of dudes and I was like, Yo, I really admin what you do.

I'm building a new label right here.

We're doing this burg Gang records.

You heard.

I'm pretty sure you're familiar with what we got going on in the city, and I'm giving you the opportunity to heat.

He would have been one of them one.

Let me it ain't finished.

Let me tell you the flash.

He's with Clue at this time.

Yes, he like what you mean.

I'm like, He's like, yeah, I should say.

I'm like all right, but it's one thing, like you can't leave here and try to figure it out, not what we do.

You got to commit right now.

Oh, it's no love lost we can still do music.

But if you if this what you were going in, Nigga called clue, tell them we out just what we're doing.

Disrespect But I'm like it said your clue.

But to the side, he said, now we live burgang.

Let's go squad up, nigga, let's go world up.

I love staff Soul bro Like fact, that was an incredible, credible artist.

He definitely had his chance.

He definitely would have to be in the race.

One of the idlest artists that we've ever seen.

That's a fact.

His energy, is personality is used to be in all the time.

Ladies loved him.

Yeah, I had a major cool relationship with him.

But like I said, when I seen him get with y'all, was like, nah, that's the right crew.

Like you know, certain certain niggas just need the right home.

Like what I felt all about him is the same way I feel about albi Al.

You know what I mean.

Alb Al is one of the new animals, one of the new animals, talented, murdering shit, personality, swag.

He get with the right camp, he's gone.

That's another thing that these young artists don't understand how strong affiliation is even in twenty twenty five, when maybe a Rockefeller or diplomat has been out so long, maybe they feel like but not to even say in Rockefeller diploma.

But some of these grandfather than lines of affiliation are very important to the artists because standing on your loan is on your own is one thing.

Yes, as a man, we take nothing away fast, right, But in this game, if you want to win, you need to want to win, you need to be affiliated with something people know.

Not to say it like that, but like that, it's only a few few, every few it is that's going to be able to stand on their own and boom shit that think about it.

What's the who's the last artist that stood on his own?

After Nelly completely on his own, Nelly came out completely dolo.

I mean it's an one sexy red nah bro, she still had the affiliation who Drake?

I mean that's afterwards she's still on her own.

She's still on her own.

Artists, Glow really got the affiliation of Yo Gotti.

Yes, the affiliation she signed in Red did come out of the fucking yeah out of nowhere.

Might even think about that?

How many of the how many?

That's what I'm saying is a far and feel, bro, it's not a lot.

It's not a.

Lot that can be.

But yeah, but Cardi B had the TV promotion matter.

What I'm trying to tell you is that the rarity.

But she is Dol and she was Dol, she was don.

That's only happened everywhere.

But for a lot of the kids that do end up bubbling, they are affiliate with some of.

The strongest, some bigger than themself.

Of course, like definitely helps a lot.

Like I ain't gonna lie, bro.

One thing I always look back, even watching your success, watching how You Cam Santano, all of y'all move, I always, like, you know, I'm a Marvel head man.

I watch every Marvel movie.

And they got this shit on Disney Plus called what If, where they show the alternate realities of different movies, if what if this went this way and what if that went that way?

You ever think about that, Like what if we never had that tension because it was never nothing with us, Like I never had an argument with you, Cam Santana or nothing.

It was business and then the shit just went like this and next thing I know, we beefing.

Like so I always think about what if none of that happened.

When you think we would have took this shit, My gee.

What if none of that happened.

Jay would have been up.

Billions, team would have been up, billions, bigs would have been up, Billy, Bob's kids would have been up, hundreds of understand what I'm saying.

That's a fact, bro Like.

And I thought that ship would have trickled there because what I've seen during the time we was there and through the separation of it was amazing ship.

It was.

It was no losses being taken in and anything Rockefeller had did at the time was was a slam dunk.

Anything Jay said or did didn't matter if he made you put on a button up shirt, drink some lickor oh the why.

It was like this ship this was connected and and and the way Dan was handling the other side as far as the business concerns, that's that's that's if so from what I've seen, that was one of the two of the illest niggas I've seen.

And this was a lot of things that me and Cam trace their steps because of how they were moving, Like Jay was into all the artists with the boss and Dan was the businessman, and a lot of other things you did, and they protected Jay and kept the business running for Dan was incredible in that position.

So people look back at it now try to laugh and say he was obnoxious and all these things.

Yeah, he might have pissed a lot of people off.

He fought for us.

That's what people don't want to They don't give He pissed everybody off who was fighting for the crew, for his team for.

Nothing, every straight up and what it's about.

So now we look back and I'm not I don't even care about what goes on with but I'm just telling looking back, it is like people don't want to give him his was about, like, come on, bro, like them niggas built half.

Of the industry.

That's a fact.

They have built by niggas like Diddy.

But these niggas responsible for the temperature of niggas getting money right now to this day saying half the half the new CEOs was interns.

Have you bro, like you niggas was dancing like dang bro, that's a fact.

Stop it stop it stops part of this game, and.

It's cancel culture.

How easy it is for people to forget because of the media mind folds you into thinking one thing and ship like that, and if you think something else, they're trying to cancel you out before you even could get your opinion off.

So you don't sway the people's judgment and s so fact nasty you did.

But no, it's it's a lot to it.

But as a man also you gotta know how to be accountable for everything you can do.

Also, Dame do be wiling, Dame do be wiling.

Don't kid, but I don't care about what they gotta give us some respect because that's why he was wilding before.

He's a different error giving us nothing.

So no, he didn't fight the way we would have got nothing.

We had nothing, gi we'd have been on the shelf waiting.

Bro.

I've seen the niggas come in and get baked, busts down Christmas chests, giving they workers eighty thousand dollars a check.

Ship like that.

I haven't seen Christmas.

Bonuses, Christmas bonus lion.

To say now gives artist doing it on another on a level when niggas can't see what they're doing.

That's and that was where my respect was in that building is watching how the niggas was moving that label and in that building and ship like that.

I mean, but to see to see how it happened.

It's just ill.

Like you said, there was never no problems, but the loyalty of the two sides took it there and and and we did it also too.

But I do believe, and I'm just talking, we're talking, I do believe that if Jay and Dane would have figured out how to have some type of conversation, none of that would have happened, because we're gone off of what the two niggas say.

That's the fact you ride together with everybody talking shit together to everybody's separate offices, talking ship, damus spuing when he's spewing.

We don't know what Jay and the but I know on this side it was going on.

I know my position is to do whatever Cam is going to do.

That's right.

So you got to ride with him, Dame.

I'm kim about what Cam gonna do, and I gotta protect him and everything.

So now here we go.

And and that that's that's what I felt like broke up the rock.

It was the divide because remember it became Harlem and then it became Brooklyn, and it was it didn't have to be that way, No, because it was never no drivers just because them two didn't speak the way everybody else took on the vibe of whatever they was around.

And then the ship just it just grew.

And I like that shit whacked man.

But at the end of the day, everybody turned down successful, everybody turned out how figure out how to get past that.

I tell I tell people, I just had this conversation.

I'm not perfect, No, none of us are.

We would never nobody is.

I'm a piece of shit to somebody else, and just the way I feel and you.

Angel to other people, you know what I'm saying.

So that's that I always say that somebody might call me a piece of somebody gonna call me an angel over here.

Like I even had that conversation with Cam when I was talking, when I had to talk with him, I'm like, yo, like you brought up the incident with me and Beans, Like me and Beans are not childhood friends, you know what I'm saying.

Like I met Beans through rap, Like I didn't know Beans growing up in Brooklyn, and we grew into brotherhood.

Not saying that we got an issue that can't be fixed.

But I don't feel it's as important as two people that grew up together.

Like to me, watching y'all not communicate and then watching him and Dang go through it, that shit has whacked in me.

Bro.

I feel like we're too old, we made too much money, our kids has grown.

We're supposed to be.

Chilling on Oprah yacht in the middle of fucking Santorini right now, my geez right for real.

Broly right, You're absolutely right, But sometimes things don't work like that, my brother know, Man, as much as I cherished to take that and cherish the brotherhood that we I can't and dwell on it.

No, I don't pay it.

I mean I tried.

It doesn't serve me no purpose at this point in my life, you know what I mean.

You lose friends, you see who's really with you and things like that, and sometimes people gonna see to.

See what they lost.

And I know losing me as a friend and a brother is a cold thing.

You ain't gonna meet too many people like me, that's right, all, That's a fact.

That's a fact.

And me being that cold person, I had to learn how to be that for myself.

I was telling that to Fat Joe and ship like that.

Everything I was willing to be for my comrade.

Yes, I had to learn to be that for myself, and that's what made me stronger.

You see what I'm saying, because it was like, I'm just leaving myself open by doing that for so many others her and leaving myself wide open.

And now in my position of leading, I can't leave myself.

It's a fact because now you got your crew.

I got a lot, right right, I.

Got my family, I got my business, I got everything.

So I gotta pay this shiit strategic out here, cause niggas is quick to want to see you feel.

Ain't nobody coming to save you.

Nobody niggas rather see you go through it, to help you get through it.

Heard like you not have her.

So I learned how to boss up on my own, like wherever we started at, it's not what we're gonna end that.

That's a fact, bro, That's one thing you said, y'all learned, try to boss up on my own, like I commend y'all.

Man, that's one like y'all all of y'all from sting from Joel's cam.

You even Zeke being down there and see laying low.

Y'all all know how to create businesses, bro, like, none of y'all just sit back and chill.

From the wig to the clothes, to the dipset rebranding to the compound you just fucking purchase.

Shoot, I'm saying to the podcast, like, what keeps you motivating?

My gee?

What what gives you that drive?

Because these kids need to learn that.

You know, these kids is lazy.

They think smoking weed going, it's just gonna hit them one day, they gonna get high.

I'm definitely gonna come to you sitting in the house and smoking weed.

I always wanted something bigger in life.

I just always knew that I could do better, and I always know I'm not giving myself.

I'm not giving things my full potential.

Even right now, I feel like I still a way now.

I totally feel like I have not found total tunel vision where I'm locked into my full capacity of what I can give the people and what I can do for my mission and things like that, because there's so many distractions.

But that's what I'm saying, And as a man being creative and having to take care of responsibilities, it's hard to not get distracted with responsibilities trying to create and save the world.

It's like, what I like to call it because I feel like what I'm adding when I'm finished, it's gonna be saved a lot of people from a lot of different things when I'm finishing shit like that.

So you know, I take it.

I take it day by day.

But as long as I'm willing enable strength for my body to be consistent every day, I'm not worried about the motivation because I do believe that I'm here.

To finish the mission.

And sometimes I don't even know what the mission is, but I know walking in faith is stronger than anything, and that's I do believe God gonna point me in the right direction.

So I just try to finish every little bit of things.

Every small success turned into a big success.

And execution has been a disease for black men for a long time.

So I learned how to execute every idea that I'm trying to put on the table, because whether it's worth it or not, you learn from your mistakes, you know what I mean.

So I've been through a lot.

It took me along to get where Matt to even talk like this like I've never been dumb, but I have been ignorant in my life.

You heard, we all have bro one hundred percent.

We all have my dream grow too, we know.

But I'm glad I was here to show me that time don't lie.

And I was glad I was here to understand you won't grow to you know.

So now that I've grown a lot and I still got a lot grown to do.

This where we at?

No, Man, that's a fact.

I just I just seen the video.

I see you got the merch on right now too, man, Like yo, bro, like looking at you do that?

Bro?

It brought me back to a time when Jay was fighting with Iceberg.

You know, that's why rockawear.

I believe, in my opinion, I believe that's why Rockaway was birthed because Jay went to Iceberg being that he was rocking it, rapping about it.

He's burg slim, you know what I mean.

They ain't want to give him the deal that he like, all right, I'm gonna create something that's gonna crush y'all.

And he created rockawar So watching you, you know, deal with the chrome hert situation like that and then create your own clothing line and you're like, all yanin't fuck with me.

I'm a crush like that.

Drive, Bro, you can't teach that you can't.

It's not learned in school.

It's just in you.

And like you a warrior, my nigga, Like you not a warrior, Bro.

Can't say that.

Above everything that I've been called, I'm definitely a warrior.

You are, Bro.

That's in every that's in everything.

Like I've just got this warrior spirit that I've been born with.

And I kind of refuse to lose.

Even if I take a lost, You're gonna feel like I want you can't beat me.

That's a fact that my mentor is too strong.

Man.

That's why I'm still here.

And I gotta leave a lot of this ship with people because I know I got a lot to leave, you know.

I mean, like a fact I tell people I need to.

I want people to know that I gave more than I took, taking a lot.

You definitely put a lot of influence out here, man, Like I watch when I like you know the megs shit little baby ship half to Atlanta really dip said influenced a lot of these young boys moving around right now, my nigga, and you really played the major part in that.

So I know you got that guy to make you feel like the big homie to the New Era right now, it.

Feel it feels good.

A lot of times I'll be like, damn, I would have knew that she was gonna be like this, right, just see this ship now, how this ship going crazy?

It's like, Yo, this is it is really wild.

But it was good also then.

And also let me know, I still got opportunity to make a lot of money out here, that's right, you know.

I mean as long as they still doing things like this, then I know I could jump in.

Well, I need to jump in and get some bags off of this ship, you know what I mean, create some business off of this ship.

Well, I was gonna say tunnel Tunnel, night Busters Busters one dare.

Yeah, what's up?

You remember that night?

What when the video shoot?

Not the video shoot when you came and performed that motherfucker?

Oh of course I remember every night in the tunnel.

But remind me of something.

But wait, wait I might be missing So not the video the video was done in the tunnel.

Yeah, it wasn't done on night.

No, no, no, no it was.

But I'm trying to give people a little recap of what it felt like when Rockefeller had the tunnel on.

Yo, bro, Like because the niggas don't know how crazy the tunnel was.

I don't care what club your big in New York City.

You've never been to no club like that to me.

I love of Ho Ho, my bro.

I love that nigga.

I would never go again.

Some but whole.

It ain't fucking with mine right in the tunnel.

That's just being honest.

I can't fuck with that.

Can do a lot, but can't.

We can't fuck with mine righting.

Further of all, Rockefeller used to be the tunnel that ships to sell out by like nine o'clock, nine thirty.

We shouldn't even get in, you couldn't word out.

And then after that and he started getting You had to really know them niggas that you had to know Mark had the security, and you had to know Peter like the tunnel was just a whole number when Rockefeller was there, when Jay was coming to form.

It was bad.

No, it was bad.

That's because the whole Brooklyn bro bad, bro whole Brooklyn email.

In the city, model lest little scammer drug dealer, Nicks was mine of town.

It was roll.

Those are some of the best nights we had when in the world your.

Niggas performed at the tunnel your death turn, it was it.

There was a few niggas that came to the tunnel, used to put on rue, used to go crazy to yeah Joe, it wasn't.

It wasn't nothing like nothing like the rock only people.

I think that, man, this niggas thump in the tunnel ship storm breaking in that bitch, what yo, you ain't like no bro like you boly niggas.

I think I had the tunnel more turn than us, and I gotta give it to them.

When Snoop and Doctor Drag came to this.

Bitch, was you there that day?

I couldn't even get in my nigga, I was in there, I couldn't get it.

That's how the fact it was burg sweaterd on Flintstone ship.

Yo.

I took it from Kim.

I never forget it, like, oh yeah he's dead on this.

I'm putting this on for the tunnel to night.

I was burning the fact.

So they went in there for two and a half hours.

And when crazy Snoop was going so crazy right during the show, all the bloods was in the front, they start throwing all the red rags at them on the show, like yo, no disrespect I'm just trying to show love, but the Bloods was showing love.

We grew up on all of these, yo, bro.

They burnt that ship down so bad, but that was just one time.

So y'all you came in there a few times and went crazy, not definitely, but snooping them.

Yeah, they got the most they got.

They got one of the most legendary knights ever I've seen in the Tunnel perform because I seen I seen, I seen Jay at the Apollo too.

Yeah, yo, yo, the Apollo used to be I always want to ask him this.

He came on to Pollow with one color jersey on.

But this mad Bloods in there, mad mad Bloods, mad Bloods.

I'm blooded ya.

He started to show with one jersey.

I can't forget what jersey.

When they came back out with the all red San Francisco jersey, I think that way, bro, I'm talking about the homies went crazy, came back I think had it so ship with the blue jersey.

Your nigga was not jacking that it was.

He came back out with the red jersey on in Apollow.

That ship went dumb, bro.

No, the Tunnel used to be stupid, used to be stupid Speed used to be stupid.

Speed was the tunnel for the new for our era, Like so so.

Listen when me and when me and Gutter was beefing and seizing them was beefing and ship like mm hmm going crazy.

One day they caught me slipping out there.

I'm in front of Speed.

It's like four of us, five of us.

It's chilling.

And the nigga what's his name of the owner?

I forgot the security name told me that you know, yo, bro season them coming here tonight, bro, while why why why are you doing this?

Like Joe, like, what do you mean?

Man?

They pop up with like sixty niggas bro chill, Yeah, my hearth were here allegedly allegedly you know this, how this should be like gunshots gonna don't bust the move out there.

Oh yeah, these crip niggas got us out number, let's get the funk out of his.

Speed was different.

Speed was different, man, that was his spot.

DJ word Yeah, bas and and and and and and.

And mister c nigga, Yeah, mister c ran Speed and the tunnel.

Mister c was Everybobby Trends Trans young to see, Bobby trans was young tunnel.

Young.

You heard everybody we're going to go allegedly Nigga allegedly going in the tunnel, two boxes of a Dutch Master.

Crazy and some type of pre roll.

Your dutchess, bro, this you're not listening, yo.

Sometimes you had the pre roll listening.

We passed that, bro, you're not listening, bro, I got everything under control in the trunk.

You got it like this is under control everything but not touch me and we're not.

We only had it under control when we had the show before that.

He was on some bullship.

All right, So this is the difference the outside.

I said it like that you're a star.

No, no, not.

That was literally banging in this ship.

You heard yeah this before rap.

I had to I had to be heard dogs.

I had to be with Trey and b I and them for that, not me.

They was like, bleak, who you in?

But Gang used to beat your bro.

I used to Oh yeah, Gang Unit was serious in New York.

The tunnel so bad, bro, yo.

Peter Geison used to call me to this office during heat like, yo, bro, please give that.

Nigga made so much money?

Oh my god, you didn't even make money, mindy, nigga.

He take the fuck off, Peter gay ship.

I want to make a for real I was.

I was two seconds from doing the Belly movie with that bitch because they start getting too comfortable with me.

I was like, Yo, I was gonna act, bro, your niggas ship might sound like a movie, but I really was dumb and you heard I was about to pull a belly the real Belly movie on the tunnel was soft too, just the sh his security was kind of soft to your Like, Yo, I'm a I'm a buck sixty at this time going up to grown men that's two forty, Like, I wish you would, nigga, raise your hand and raise the eyebrow.

Nigga, if I'm lying on flying.

I asked any bounce of the tunnel if they ever, ever, ever, ever made a mistake and raise their hand to me, and we just talking and shit like that.

I'm just telling you what type of minutes I was when I was a baby bop and you acts around.

You had to be outside of the velvet road.

This is twenty five, nigga.

I was about from my first time I went to the tunnel was in nineteen ninety four.

Nigga, I had to be at school in I went to school on Monday and was looking at my teacher like she was a joke.

I just left the Tunnel last night.

Seen Mike Tyson Easy eat all type of shit bitches.

You oh yeah, easy and do yeah.

The Tunnel had bro niggas don't even go to clubs like that.

No, bro niggas don't even from nineteen ninety four to ninety nine when it closed.

Nigga when it killed baby Boy Killer from Brooklyn, he was seventeen.

Charles Jones, little cousin.

That was my little bike, This pride crazy nigga, Like, for real, that's crazy, y'all.

I was gonna ask you talking about you was gonna do a movie on the Tunnel.

You was the first, y'all launched the love and hip hop platform, right and then it was a little spew on creativity and all that.

I always wondered why you just didn't never start your own franchise for New York because you had it.

You had it.

It was a it was a few variables, contractual, contractually leaving, I couldn't do no more hip hop chows.

For time with me and Chrissy was that we didn't feel like compromising compromising our dignity saga doing the show.

Yes, remember this is very in the very beginning.

And yes, I'm saying a lot of.

The people that were supposed to be on outside doing business end up taking the other side of doing business with the networks.

So now they're against us instead of helping us and showing us how to do it.

And then some personal ship came.

Involved, scuffed niggas's get scuffed up and ship like that?

What's up?

Ship like that?

It just was a lot, bro And then well was that in life?

It was like, I ain't got time for this.

I got to do.

I'm a hustler, I need to get to a bag.

I'm not gonna be fighting with no networks and ship because somebody ended up going to end up getting hurt hurt as it almost happened a few times.

Ain't nobody gonna get in trouble but myself.

That's right?

Because what made me ask you that?

Because y'all was in the network that wait, three shows there before.

Fifty even started his doing his shows.

How the network works?

We had three shows that each one of our shows that we did did was successful, more successful than the Love of Hip Hop shows.

But because they had so much invested interest in Loving Hell.

I did the show after Yeah, keep giving us new episodes in our show because our ratings were taking away from all the money that they nested into love and hip hop at the time.

They had a few seasons in at the time that time, we put up show We're hitting Game Hitting for.

That, Yeah, and we had a lot.

We did a lot of ship on that, a lot of money off that ship.

So it's like, but it was a good it was a good learning lesson at that time.

How is that TV ship?

Because you know, they called me, they hit me.

They was like, Yoli, would you ever do it?

And I'm like, I would have said, I told I would.

I would definitely not say it for somebody like you because I told my wife, I gotta have a fake wife.

But it also depends on what type of bag they're gonna throw, Like, yo, I didn't I didn't make half a million dollars to go for four days, damn herd to do type of ship as baby girl, like they start throwing stupid, stupid numbers and that type of ship is like, okay, I can't turn that down.

I pull up, but you want me to throw a drink in the club.

I got you to figure out your lane, but I never let them niggas dictate what I was.

That was a lot of things that now you.

Camera because it's pre medicated situations they're doing.

I can honestly say, out of every couple with rapper that been on the show, you definitely ain't doing.

No because we set the rule like everyone.

I showed that because I've seen a lot of niggas do some.

It wasn't nobody else show.

That's wireless my show.

That's why the rules of my show.

That's why I was like, yo, why they didn't just start then took my show and implemented her rules to exploiting people and all that type of show.

That was our show.

Our show was built on real premise.

Yeah, we sell dysfunction, so you're gonna see a lot of dysfunctions rappers and this is what we do.

We get into everything perfect like nothing.

We're doing what we want to do and this but now looking back, like it's way easier for me to tap in the market now than it was back then.

Do the ship on my own, that's right, and make the networks come knock down my door.

What because these people money watches the same way was watching before.

As soon as we put up oh, whatever show coming out, They're gonna go to YouTube and click on.

Yo.

I used to TV is not important as the internet.

Right now, you heard all the shows is made.

That's a fact I used to think was trying to set me up.

Shout out Noorri too, man, he saw the long Yeah.

No recalled me about love and hip hop first, and I'm like, and no, I ain't with that.

Then no, recall me about marriage boot camp.

That's what I'm like, I ain't gon y'all.

I zapped out of the ship on that a little bit.

But that was a stupid check.

You should have took that, chick.

I mean, I don't know what there was off you, but I never even got to that part, like do you want to talk?

And I'm like, now, because my wife thing with that ship, I gotta get a fake wife for TV.

She not gonna see.

That's another thing you gotta have the willing partner to get.

Yeah, but it's so smooth that if you was to go in there be smooth, expect nothing from you.

It made me start watching the show and living in this show.

But yeah, I didn't say this.

It was cool.

It was cool.

It's just that ship is wired up all the time and all the time, no privacyne nothing.

And then you got the chance of you definitely on what other grown men?

It's like, you know me, but I'm thinking I have to chip somebody out.

That's what I want to go nowhere.

No grown man, you heard you know this nigga was outside of chip somebody.

As soon as I get there, I'm wanna.

I'm on to bench and doing pull ups, like, yeah, we're gonna we're gonna start this ship up right, Yo?

Speaking of that, what made you get into the I got it?

Yo?

You had camp and may know at the workout boot camp, niggas are struggling.

I ain't gonna right you.

You have fab, Yeah, you have fab and may you know at the work out can't ship together.

I gotta come join the camp, man, I gotta get a couple of sessions in.

You ain't man, you ain't kiss on some bullshit piss doing pretty good.

I'm probably kissing.

I've been seeing heard in the fitness game and ship like that.

That's that's that's great for them and ship like that.

You know what I mean, like we're getting older, so that's a fast.

Best way to this found the youth is through fitness and ship like that movement is medicine.

But I've been on this as a teenager and ship like that.

All the niggas used to come home, so's how to do pull ups and all that type of ship.

Then when I got when I got with Chrissy and ship like that, that was she doubled down, like, bro, you like a buck sixty bucks, seventy what got to get your ship?

Get your ship up so fast?

These felts used to put that work.

She was very, very important.

And getting of my workouts is in the past thirty years now, I'm.

You ever thought about starting like your own workout?

Fuck ship, Billy blinks.

Nobody did it bigger than him.

Ship.

Well, I've been using the platform of I GS for those few years.

But I got a it's a whole block full of storefronts and it's one of the storefronts, got a nice square footage.

I'm actually putting a whole gym in and things.

Yeah, I've been speaking of the grunk fitness to try to do a partner with them and things like that.

But I'm putting the gym in there.

Then in the gym will start shooting fitness shows and then it'll.

Be a home for you know what I mean, My nigga, you need to talk to Peloton everybody, bro.

Your workout regimen is insaney.

I'll be watching you.

I follow you.

You know that I'll be white.

Nigga be doing pull ups with the one hundred and fifty pounds drum on like but you know how go.

So that's another that's the flip side.

So it's all about the supporter.

That's right.

Game is one one person to see that and make one call and get everything connected.

Now that's the fact that one person that don't understand that, don't figure'll find a way that they can be in business from a situation.

You never gonna get that one.

So I'm just dialing in doing everything myself because I know how to make a success out of something, and they're gonna have to come and give us a check anyway.

Nah, That's what I'm fact man.

And one thing I want to say, like every artist's been through a bunch of bullshit in this game.

Every artist, you know, we always dug and talking our bullshit.

But you know what I respect the most when I see artists because me, I'm all about growth.

If you stay the same, I feel like that's the definition of insane.

To do the same thing over and over and over and inspect different results, you're technically insane.

So when I seen you and French was.

Able to bury y'all bullshit and get back cool, make money together and move around, do shit, I really looked at you and I was like, Nah, that nigga gym is for real, nigga, he take this business shit serious.

So like things like that.

Bro, just know you inspire a lot of people out here to move.

You know, I see the shit people say, Yo Jim, he's still young.

He want to be the kid, he want to be out here.

But they don't talk about that ship like that.

You know what I mean, what's wrong with being young?

No, y'all want to be young forever?

What's wrong?

And in the me most people that say things about that, the people that got no emotions and as old as I am.

Out the loose and in the crib, they playing call of duty right now.

You know what I'm saying, don't mean outside we got emotionally getting money he did.

It ain't about the ages, about the wages, about rightness.

You killed that.

That's a ball, nigga say.

It ain't about an age, it's about a wage step.

Your wages up because your age going up every year.

So what you're gonna do with that?

That's a fact.

He's trying to live longer, eat better, doing all the things you have, man, you know what I mean?

What about let's talk about Biggs.

Biggs.

Oh, let's gold man.

I still want to know what happened between him and Daname.

I gotta have Bigs on rock solid.

I don't know about that, but people don't know.

I feel like people don't talk about how much of a goat Biggs is because he's so solid with goat, you know what I mean.

Like Biggs is the quiet assassin who got all the pinpoint ideas.

When he tell you something, you better fucking better listen that he calculated every angle like the professional, no women, no kids.

He's like the accounting bro.

Well, he's so calculating everything you do.

But the biggest, one of the few people that I considered to be a big brother and somebody that I admire from his position in the game and remaining humble and not letting the spot like Jadaen and doing what his job was to do.

And no matter how important he was in that Rockefeller.

He never character bro like he never wanted to be in front of the camera.

No matter how much money he got, he never wanted this.

People don't understand, like it's a trifected bro.

It really was Ja and bigs that made He's like the silent partner and ship like that.

Like it's crazy, right.

His presence was felt, but you never heard his voice.

I don't think nobody ever heard big Spell speak.

You get a lot of people.

You got to know them to have a conversation, and that was even back then.

That's the fact, yo, But now it was even if you you definitely not speaking to him.

Now got two stories about bigs Man, like I'm married now.

So as a kid, I used to feel.

Like I gotta pay this nigga back, like I owe you, nigga.

You violated were we was on the road, jim Man, Like remember as a kid coming from I'm talking about the kissing in the hallway era before you could get right, you kissing for hours, the way you need something to drink when you've done.

My nigga, that kissing.

You know what I'm saying.

And then they take me from that to the road.

So I wasn't ready.

So Niggas is like, yo, you gotta get your shit up.

These girls just ready to get right.

Are you out here playing?

Go get you something?

So I'm like, all right, let me go get me some I go line something up.

She like, where you staying at?

I'm gonna ride back with you.

I'm hype.

Now like, oh oh, I got one fishing line.

We caught one baby first og.

Now mind you, I'm the young nigger on the road.

We was in New Orleans, somewhere I've never been there before.

The first o g I see is bigs, So I go tell him they're bigs.

What hotel we staying at?

Thinking like, we're staying at this hotel?

Why you want to know what hotel we staying at?

I was like, yo, is it room in the car?

He like, wait, why are you asking me all these questions?

I'm like, cause I got something lined up?

She ready to go.

Now, mind you, I'm the young boy in the twenty one and up club, so everything is older than me.

So he like, let me see what you got.

Make sure you ain't got nothing wrong.

So I go show him as a lemon head.

Yeah, I got this one, and he took.

Us damn.

The what and left h Yo my g yo, yo yo that.

But he I always felt like, I'm gonna get this nigga back.

I'm lit now, I'm Blizzowie on the road.

They don't know him.

I'm gonna take one of his joints.

I never got the opportunity, but he repaid me back, my nigga, no big word.

Biggs made me.

Back because one day I'm in the crib chilling doing nothing, bro like I'm in jurors.

I don't even know what the fuck I was doing, and that ain't Coela called me out of nowhere, like, yo, what you know, I'm not even doing shit like Yo, come to the crib and jurors.

This when they lived in the Palisades, and I'm like, all right, I pull up to the crib.

First of all, I'm like, these niggas getting too much money.

This crib is insane.

I need a crib like this.

I see the rain drove outside or whatever.

I had the tie hole at that time, and he was like, yo, I just bought this rain drover.

But they delivered to me in champagne.

I don't even want this shit, bleak, you can have it.

And I'm like, what, you just gonna give me the He like, yeah, man, I don't want this shit.

They gave me the row color.

I'm gonna order the one in white next week.

I'm like, oh, you could keep the bitch.

I don't want the bitch back.

I'll take the rage.

Keep her hang up, like I leave the towehold here, I come back later.

Bro, that's the type of money it was a getting.

Like one of them gave Beans the brown Bentley and ship that was big.

Both of them, Dame and Biggs gave Beans the bench.

This was amazing, amazing, amazing back in the day, Bro, Yo, you know what's crazy.

I would tell you a funny story, man.

I think I think it was just Bigs who told me this.

Know why he got rid of his bit while he was like, Yo, I don't want this ship no more because when you drop it off to get repaired, they don't give you a loaner car.

So he's like, I don't want this ship.

That's how much money you ridiculous ridiculous ship.

Yo.

I used to look at the niggas like what.

Bro, Bro, I remember the nigga dame dropped the egg on his house floor and I'll wash this drop of egg and we're gonna go and watch the movie and we come back and it's gonna be cleaned up.

Bro yo Yo Yo, he was on some ship.

They had the chef baseline.

I want to tell people about his story, yo, where you saved my ass?

Your baseline baseline over guts game, yo.

People don't know.

Right when you walk in the casino and you play the car three, the game three called poker.

We played that in the studio and it was called guts and it was nasty.

And the definition of this game it's everybody will be me jim wan whole, big dog, big dog.

World up everything.

Yo.

So the potters start off five thousand dollars.

Now, mind you you got five six people playing.

Only one person could win the pot.

So imagine if four of y'all called guts.

Remember, only one person win.

So the three losers have to match the pot.

So if the pot was five thousand, now we gotta put fifteen thousand.

And that's how it kept going up.

Kep going up, kept going and Hole used to do some bullshit, bullshit.

It just called like he's said in the round, I'm calling guts every time.

They didn't even look at the cards.

Guts.

But sometimes it'd be real because then I'm telling you the story.

I'll never forget that we're in there, bro, I'm telling you it was happened three times in a row.

We ended.

I got two kings, I say, guts, yep, j got two aces, right cool?

I believe the grand was like three grand, right, went up.

I had to put the three grand back.

Got the cards again.

It was the same thing.

I got two kings.

And you're not throwing two kings in.

I don't care who you are.

Jay got two aces again, my nigga, Now that ship is double.

I gotta put in like nine train, a tank, whatever.

I had to put in the deal the cars again.

I got two aces.

I'm pop, now pop.

I ain't got no money in my pocket.

All I'm done for.

I got two eggs.

I lean over my should.

Joe, you got your pocket, You're like, yeah, hold me down.

I go home and get you.

I get some money.

This the nickson I got you.

I said, guts.

I set them here.

I got min as a random funk out of there.

Playing with them life was like, yo, fuck that good looking bleak world up.

Yeah, bro, but them guts games is what's serious and the life on them gutsm show.

Bro.

Remember we used to play fucking selo on the pool table too, everything losing stupid money.

Think so I don't know, and it's another talk about jay and now.

But he got and that based on that.

Nigga couldn't lose your bro.

I went in there one day.

It is just me and him.

We end up playing pool.

Oh yeah, no pool pool.

Look, he'm not knowing how to play pool.

Spanking Look crack boom going.

I had all the balls in no hormemone.

We grown.

That's it don't matter if you're grown this nigga, nigga, get you out of line, yo.

I had all the rocks.

Yeah, and I had one one from the table.

What you think he do?

Came back and ran the table, ran the table, ran the table.

I will you know for me, that's a victory, y'all.

Yeah, it's even about.

Rap about that's right.

That's the bigger yo.

Bro.

Him and one I ain't gonna lie, probably the best pool players.

I played the gains because they let you rep and.

They tell you miss game over.

Just just grabbed them rack.

No, I'm doing baseline yep, yelling with my halem.

Shit, O me, you missed once.

Just grabbed the rack between Jay and one's crazy with that.

But as far as like, I remember one time gambling with Hove and he know this is facts.

He don't want no smoke with me.

Se loo we in baseline one day gambling bro, and you know Jay, he's shooting the bank every time.

Five thousand shoot it, six ten thousand, shoot it, six twenty thousand, shoot it, six forty thousand shooting, six eighty thousand shooting.

Bro.

It went up to a buck sixty.

All my kids, that nigga, y know, he never touched the dice.

That nigga looked at me.

It was like, bleek, I'm gonna go get this money for you, but I'm never fucking gambling against you again.

I don't know who the fuck you are.

Your word.

It took about a buck sixty from Hove and I gave him the bread back only took twenty grand.

It was I could never take that from you.

Looked out for the guard.

He was like, yeah, that's why I love you, my little bro.

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