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We are dorking out about nineteen ninety four's The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert.

Happy Pride, y'all, Happy, Happy, Happy Pride, everybody, written and directed by Stephen Elliott, starring Terrence Stamp Hugo Weaving guy Pierce Bill who's he's in Muriel's wedding, which we just did last year.

Oh that's right.

I was like one right after the other.

My friend, did you see this movie in the theater?

Yes?

I did, and I think I saw you and I were talking off the air at Blackhawk Cinemas in Danville.

Yes, yeah, al back in the day with Rip.

It's a beautiful shopping mall and I was a really beautiful theater.

But we were talking off the air.

We've both worked jobs that were like, you know, minimum wage jobs, and you had a friend that managed that theater and he said he could never find teenagers to work there because nobody will worked for minimum wage in black Hawk or Danville because parents don't make their kids work.

No, they're very it's very well to do in that area.

It's very well to do if you look it up, because it was really fancy schmancy.

But yeah, I went with my mom and we had a great time.

Oh I love that.

This week played at my theater up in Chico, so I saw a few times and I loved.

This is one of the theaters that I loved cleaning because it you know, had great music over the credits and stuff like that.

So Vanessa Williams, Yeah, it's how many weddings have you been to where they played Save the Best?

So many weddings, so many weddings.

Oh my god, it's like such a staple.

But it's it's such a good fun movie.

And I remember, like, I hadn't seen a movie like this when I saw it, because it was there weren't a lot of this is before RuPaul's Drag Race, Like this was not drag Queens weren't like hosting brunch and things like that.

Like this wasn't a thing.

And so all I knew was maybe like Paris is burning and maybe like John Waters.

Movies, when did Tu Wang Fu come out?

So that came out the following year?

Oh okay, yeah, we covered that in the past.

Yes, and so this one was this kind of culture was kind of new to me as a straight white woman who grew up in the Bay Area but didn't spend an obscene amount of time in San Francisco.

So and I just loved the movie.

And also, like most movies that were about gay people then were about aids.

Yeah that's always yes, yes, and the bigotry.

Yes, it was always like it was about like homophobia aids or they were like a gay best friend.

Yeah, never the stars.

So this movie was like kind of a big deal.

And I just thought it was hilarious and I loved the music, and I thought the characters were so great.

It was so interesting.

So yeah, it was so different, and I remember my mother loving the All the scenes were guys pierces on the top of the Priscilla when they're playing the opera music, and oh, it just was so visually beautiful.

And I've always wanted to go to Australia.

I still want to go one day, and this movie always makes me like, oh, damn it, I want to go on a road trip in Australia.

I know it's probably hours and hours of dust and I would regret it, but I just would love to go go there.

And I don't know, I just this movie is I told you off the air just before we started talking.

It just it was something I needed.

It was, yeah, yeah, this is.

When, uh, just a reminder like the protests or this weekend and anytime I feel like any if you do anything that like brings you a little bit of joy, that's an act of resistance nowadays.

So if watching this movie makes you happy, do it.

Yes, that's what we're doing.

So we're going to go through the plot.

If you haven't seen it, it's streaming on Peacock or Amazon.

I said, cock, it's on Peacock, haha, so go go check it out.

But it's it's the whole the plot really is.

They are there are two drag queens.

It's Hugo Weaving and Guy Pierce and then a transgender woman played by Terrence Stamp who I.

Came in liked Zod Kneel before Zod God is it a blonde wig and heals and looks great.

He makes a very attractive woman.

I would say, yeah, he he does.

A really really good job.

And this was like such again interesting because as a child of the eighties, trans people were often jokes.

They were jokes in most movies.

So to see like a really sympathetic portrayal of someone who feels like a fully formed person was And he's really good.

I can't believe he wasn't nominated for stuff.

Like he's really good in the role.

Yeah.

But they go on a they're going across the Australian out back in a massive bus that they have named Priscilla, Queen of the Desert, to perform at like a little resort I guess way over on the other side of Australia.

But the resort is run by Hugo Weavin's character's wife, and they kind of dole out just lits a little bit of details about why this gay drag queen would be married.

But don't you know, a lot of people.

Yeah, I'm sorry to interrupt you at this time just before I this is like just before I left for New York ninety This came out in the summer of ninety four.

So I used to work at San Francisco Center.

I went to San Jase stated, I worked at San Francisco Center and I worked at a nine West or shoe store, and I used to get customers all that were male.

Yeah, that, and they came in for the pomp and they would they would like they wanted pumps in like a really bright color size ten usually you know, just big, bigger feet and all that stuff.

So I was around it, Like I knew men that were obstensibly straight or maybe they had an open marriage, I don't know, but would come in with their wives to get shoes.

I've had this happen.

But I get it.

San Francisco is always going to be a little San Francisco compared to other places, so I get that.

Yeah, it's also it just wasn't uncommon for people to get it was a way of protecting yourself.

Sure, I mean it's you know, when it's illegal to be yourself basically, you know, and and in certain parts of Australia, and they illustrate this in the movie that were very hardcore homophobic.

Yeah, like, it is dangerous if anybody thinks you're different.

So I totally understand why somebody would get married.

You find someone that you really enjoy and you like, and maybe you're like, I just.

Want a normal life.

I don't want to be different.

Maybe this is where I should go, this is what I should do, and most of society tells you that's the.

Better thing to do.

Yeah, And then he finds himself and she's cool, she's very okay with him.

Yeah she is.

And I think they finally say around the end, like she's a lesbian.

She has a girlfriend, Oh I did, like the sun casually drops, like my mom had a girlfriend for a while, but they broke up.

And but they never explicitly say that maybe this was some sort of marriage of convenience, or maybe it was they were just really good friends and she wanted a baby.

And that's I've known people that's happened to.

Yeah, yeah, we support a lavender marriage.

I absolutely support a lavender marriage.

Yeah, like that be Mazar and Pee Wee Herman, like they were a couple for a while.

I totally am okay with that.

Yeah, I'm like game, hen hit me up, I'm down.

Yeah, I'll share my health care benefits with you.

Fine.

So they're gonna go on this road trip.

But it first it opens in like kind of a divy bar where Hugo Weaving is playing Mitzi and he's he's performing and uh, he's singing I've never been to Me, which is like.

Always hated that song too, and I'm like, of course the gays love it because it just gets on my last nerve.

Yeah, because when that's what came on when I was like ten, and I remember thinking, like, she's talking about this woman's talking about I have to talk about the sony because this has been on my mind since the song came out in the eighties.

But it's about a woman who's talking to another woman, and the woman who's singing is saying, Hey, I know you think I'm fabulous because I've traveled all over the world and fucked all these guys and I've had all these great experiences.

But you were married and had a kid.

You really know what living is.

I don't, And it's like bullshit.

I want to be done by kings and a thousand things, like she says, yes, it's always bothered me, like she has to make, you know, apologize for himself.

No, I'm like, I definitely prefer that life to the other life.

But yeah, that song is it's really cheesy.

It's really cheesy.

But I get why.

I totally get why why drag Queen.

I think it's dramatic.

It's so dramatic, like of course, of course, so they you know, he does his show, he sings, but then it's it's like a dive bar with a drag element, I guess, and somebody like throws a beer can and hits him in the head just to show that they're not super open minded where he is.

But he does have a community.

And we also meet Felicia.

That is Guy Pierce, who is the like super over the top, extra extra drag queen.

Yeah, the the Jack from Will and Grace, if you will.

So gorgeous too, Oh my god.

So gorgeous.

I can't stand it.

He's so beautiful.

Like and Guy Pierce is so funny, yes, like I know that, like he you know, everyone's like Guy Pierce.

It's the guy from like the Brutalist and Memento.

Yeah, and Memento, and Raven is like all this stuff.

He's like pretty serious, like a serious actor, but he was so so funny in this like just love love.

And then we meet Terrence Stamp who's playing Bernadette, a trans woman whose partner just died, who apparently was like quite younger, like they say he's twenty five and was just really into transgender women and he died because he like was he.

He's died bleaching his hair and he died of a asphyxiation from the fumes from the bleach fubes.

What a way to go.

I mean, that's epic if you can't really think about it.

That's a six feet under death.

Oh my god, it is.

Yeah.

My sister's rewatching that show right now, and every episode opens with a crazy death.

My when my dad died, I didn't like to tell people because so many people would tell me that that was that was a six feet under death.

I'll explain real quick.

He was in a hotel in Provo, Utah, at a wood turner's convention, you know, like dads do, and.

He he and he was up late.

He would never share a room with somebody, and I get that from him.

So he was alone, but he and his friend buddies.

He probably drank too much.

He fell asleep, he wakes up in the middle of the night and he tripped over the furniture and yeah, and so it was it's called like a million dollar injury, like it just happened so fast you don't even know.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah, yeah, he tripped and fell and he's like sternum, like it just hit him.

Yeah, that's awful, which is I mean.

But at the same time, once again, it is a million dollar injury to get like if that's your way to go, seriously, it's he had no idea, like he right, So sorry to bring things down.

But when I tell people that, like some people do die.

That's like when Bob Saggatt died and people said, oh, it's mysterious, Like, no, it's not.

They fall, they trip because you're not used to the room.

It's a different room.

Yes, yes I have.

I've fully tripped in hotel rooms.

Why I busted toes.

Yes, yes, I've been Like I can't because I can never find the light switch.

Yep.

I love the bathroom lights on.

Now I leave them on.

So I can find my way yep.

Yeah, or in the hall, like just right by the door.

Yeah, I just leave it there, and I get a mask because I'm afraid I'm you.

Know, yeah, yeah I've broken, not broken, but I've definitely jammed many a toe.

Yes.

Anyway, they I'm sorry, my friend, that's no good.

Yeah, but it's fine.

So they're all going to go on this road trip together and they Guy Pierce's character, Felicia, like gets his mom to buy them this huge bus.

Mom, maybe a trip to the outback will get me over this little phase I'm going through.

Like, I don't think she's fooled because she like buys him clothes and dresses and things like that.

So he gets this huge bus and they hit the road.

They are in the bus for what four hours before they're driving each other absolutely.

And I was wondering how long it would take me all of a sudden to be like, oh my god, I once drove from Reno, Nevada, up to Sorry, Vegas to Reno, which is just all desert and it gets real monotonous.

Yep.

Have you taken a really really long road trip with someone?

Oh?

Yeah, do you work to Chicago?

Oh that's oh my god, that's right.

You just did this a couple of years ago.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was like eighteen hours, it was.

And a storm literally followed us from New York through Pennsylvania, up through Indiana up to Chicago.

Yeah that's yeah, no good.

Yeah.

The only ones I can think of are once I did with family where we drove from Conquered which is here in the Bay Area to Wyoming.

Oh god, how long is that?

It was?

It was like days.

Yeah, I was gonna say.

Yeah.

Also, my parents wouldn't put us in hotels, so we all slept in the car.

It was Did you have a camper?

No, really, you slept in the.

Car, slept in a Chevy.

We had a Chevy Blazer.

Oh, Mike, we should also say cars used to be much bigger.

Yeah, but especially station wagons and stuff.

But that's no.

We at least had a camper.

Yeah, no, we didn't even have that, so it was But yeah, they drive you insane, like my siblings drove me insane.

My parents drove me insane, like it was miserable, miserable trips.

I would like to think that I could maybe do one now with friends, but we would probably drive each other nuts, so maybe not.

And of course they super overpack, which I felt very seen.

Yeah, I am the Queen of Overpack.

I have the world's biggest suitcase for like a weekend trip.

Where do we go?

Now?

Oh, so they they do their their on their road.

They decide to stop in a small town and like get some rest in a proper hotel.

And this town is it is small, and that's when we get to see them like fully decked out, and we get to see Mitzi and her amazing dress made of flip flops that won the Academy Award for Best Costume Design for that.

Dress a line.

It only costs like seven bucks.

Yes, yeah, but the clothes are always they're all great.

They're all great.

But like that dress is like iconic to me.

I'm like, it's so hilarious and awesome and colorful.

And they stay at they stay in this really tacky hotel that I would probably love because I like tacky shit.

I thought of that.

It's like the two of us if we were I would be the one like, okay, whatever, and you'd be like, oh my.

God, this is so great.

Yeah.

I mean I do like bougie.

I like to be a little bougie, so I would, you know, if it didn't have a nice bathroom and like room service and stuff, I'd probably be like, but the look of how ridiculous it is with like the pink teens and every yeah, I would have been all over that shit.

They are all decked out, So they decide to go to the local local bar, where some shitty woman just is sassing them, like we don't serve your kind here basically, and.

He's like, hey, mullet, yeah, just tells it a fuck.

Off, And then Terence stamp Is Bernadette is, he doesn't she doesn't put up with bullshit.

Bernadette does not put up with bullshit.

And Bernadette used to be a white man basically and has like the confidence.

And the privilege and the uh.

Yeah uh what the hubris yes of a white man.

But now she's a woman, and so she doesn't put up with bullshit like that, and she will defend herself.

And she tells this woman, why don't you light your tampon and blow your box apart, because it's the only bang you're ever gonna get, sweetheart, And then the whole bar laughs at this woman.

And later they like have a drinking contest, and it seems like they they kind of get along with the rest of the town and they're all drinking or whatever.

But then the next day they wake up and someone has vandalized their bus and yeah, wrote a bunch of you know, homophobic shit on it, and it's.

Uh.

There's a scene where Mitzi says, like, things in their town where they're from aren't perfect, but in a way, they are in a bubble.

And when you leave that bubble, you encounter this kind of shit and you're reminded, yes, that you are different, yes, other, and that you are not welcome.

And therefore you're lesser than and yeah, and.

That's definitely a thing.

I know that people here in San Francisco often talk about our bubble and you know, and I live.

In New York, Brooklyn, New York, Jesus, Yeah, bubble City.

I love my bubble.

I do.

I mean, we have pockets like Staten Island and Jersey and Long Island, where I'm originally from, is pretty conservative.

But yeah, yeah, you know, can drive large urban regions.

Yeah yeah.

If I drive, you know, towards the East Bay, I will definitely see the MAGA signs and things like that, and I'm like, ugh, which you just don't see here.

In San Francisco.

There is someone in my neighborhood with a Kennedy sign if you can believe that shit?

Are okay?

Yes, Junior, yesugh that shit.

It's been up for like two years and they haven't taken it down, and I've walked.

By getting the bubonic plague and it's going to be spread next across the country.

I'm always trying to get God to like pee on their shit.

They're usually all peed out by the time we get there, and I'm like, damn it anyway, So they get back on their bus, they hit the road.

We get a very like I think it's an iconic scene of I want to say it's it's Felicia, who's up on the glittery shoe on top of the bus, lip syncing and you know, all silver like the silver blowing behind it's you see it on the poster, basically singing along to opera.

It's very dramatic, yes, because Felicia's very dramatic.

And then Felicia tells this story about for what I totally forgot about this scene, and for a minute, I was like, this movie's gonna get too serious for me.

There's a scene where Felicia remembers when he was just a little boy and an uncle was in the tub.

Oh god.

Yeah.

Some of the scenes I have to say, like I did fast forward a bit because I did see them before.

Yes, yeah, but this movie doesn't hide from anything like as fun and joyful as it is, it does have these pockets and moments that are sad or scary, but they're very true to life, and especially we're talking about thirty years ago.

Yes, so for a minute I was like, oh shit, I don't remember this.

This is really serious.

But then the whole thing is like the kid like young Adam basically reaches in the tub and pulls out the drain stop and the man's dick gets stuck in the tree.

So it actually ends in a like in a joke.

But for a second I was like, oh shit, Yeah, the bus breaks down, because of course it's going to break down.

Guys, they took the shortcut.

You don't take the shortcut every y'all.

Don't ever take the shortcut that takes you off the main road.

If you don't know what you're doing and you're in a big bus and you don't know how to fix things, that is a really bad idea.

Very bad idea.

So the bus breaks down there in the middle of fucking nowhere.

They don't know what to do.

Bernadette goes looking for help, so like she starts walking off.

Felicia's decided this is a great time to paint the bus, so she's doing her her painting and Mitzi is like put on a dress and is like rehearsing or something like that.

Bernadette finely gets picked up by these people who want to do the right thing, but then they're they're homophobic.

Basically, they like reluctantly pick her up, and they've got like a dead kangaroo in the back, so gross, and then drive back to the bus to drop to pick them up, supposedly, and they're horrified by what they see because like, uh, Felicia's painted boobs on himself and like Mitzi's in full drag and they just immediately drive off.

So now Bernadette is back where she started.

But eventually they meet a group of Aboriginal Australians and the scene is so great.

I love this scene.

Yeah, they meet an Aboriginal man named Alan and he brings them back to his group and the group they're all playing their their instruments and you know, singing and dancing and stuff like that.

So they decide it's their turn and they get in full drag and they perform I Will Survive from the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack.

Right, No, no, it's not on the front Saturday Night Fever soundtrack.

No, that's like a year or two later.

Oh okay.

They perform drag, like full drag, and then like they're all into it, they love it.

They get Alan all dressed up and he joins them, and it's just like this fun little moment and they're playing their instruments along with I Will Survive.

And it just shows that I don't know, because I guess because the Aboriginals are also they're outsiders even though even though.

They shake at it.

But no, and that's a whole other discussion, and that's a lot of midnight oil songs that you could listen.

To, you you know, yeah, like get caught Up.

It's their land, but they've been pushed off, and they they understand what it's like to be persecuted and.

Just for being yourself, yes, and for being considered different and therefore lesser than.

So absolutely so I loved that part.

Yeah, and so they're dancing and it's just like pure joy and they're so kind.

Is to help them like get a mechanic, and that's a While they're waiting for the mechanic, Felicia tells the story about like stalking Abba and she wanted to meet one of the singers and she follows her into the restroom and she left me a little present and she's got a turd like in a jar on a like a little necklace.

So gross, so gross.

So they meet Bob and he's again the dad for Muriel's wedding, but he's playing someone very nice here.

Bob is like a middle aged mechanic, lives in a tiny little town and he is so nice to them.

He has a.

Kinship with them right away, which I'm not sure why, but he just does.

He's just he's he's such a ment She's a good person, he is.

And he's got a very young, like Filipino wife and she wants to sing and dance to this part is weird.

Yeah, So they perform at his bar, yes, and the crowd is not exactly taking this in well, they're kind of stunned, but and then they loving It was like let's do it, do another one, do another one, and they're doing a great job, like it's got one song and the next song like they're doing great but no, so then yeah, this part is I think problematic for me.

Yeah, I don't know, it is super problematic because it's right, it's a definitely like a male order bride stereotype thing here, where this young Filipino woman who's clearly supposed to be like a sex work was a sex worker who has tricked a man into marrying her or something like that, right, and she likes to sing and dance too, And then we find out that her like she shows up to perform and she's, you know, all decked out in her lingeride stuff and she shoves ping pong balls up her coach and spits them out and it The dudes love that.

That's the kind of show they love.

But it's it's super problematic.

It's definitely a shitty stereotype.

It's a shitty stereotype, and it's yeah, but it also honestly, that would probably happen, Like I think I could see, yeah, that group of men really being that's okay, that's normal what she's doing, but what they're doing yes men in dresses.

What that's a really good point, these these men and dress men, and it's.

Like freaks, you wear it dresses and blah blah.

And then they're okay with that.

Yeah, they're okay with a woman ping palm and balls and her huh yeah and spitting them out.

Basically, it's well.

And then after that she's like, I'm out of here, I'm leaving you.

I don't like you, and you have a little ding a ling.

So she's like that's not nice, bad Cynthia, bad, no, but she splits and then you know, Bob tries to fix their tru their their buzz, but it is gonna keep breaking down, and so basically, you know, he's like, well, he just goes along for the ride, and he really likes Bernadette.

They have something.

They definitely have something.

It turns out Bernadette was a lay girl, l lee girl who like a drag queen show from back in the day, and Bob was a big fan of that.

So to Bob like, Bernadette's a big star.

And he's also he's just very sweet and he's very kind.

He asks like polite questions because he doesn't know everything and he just accepts them the way they are, like right, you know, especially Felicia, who's like, like, just acted a fool, and he's like, what are you gonna do?

So they get to the next small town where they're hoping that they can fix the bus, and Bob's like, I'm going out.

I'm gonna get beer with the guys, and Mitzi and Bernadette go to quiet dinner, but Felicia's like, I'm gonna pop some bills and go out, which is not his best choice, to say the least.

He goes to the video store, asks for Texas chainsaw mascara, which they don't have, and then goes out where a bunch of dudes are out drinking beer.

And you can feel that immediately there's a woman.

Yes, when you're around a bunch of drunk men and it's late at night and it's out in a parking lot, so where and you're just like, okay, what are my options?

What you know?

Where's the exit?

Where can I get away if I have to?

Yes, it's very yeah.

But he he walks right in, he asks for a beer.

Like apparently, it takes the one main bad dude a while to figure out that Felicia is not a woman, and then Bob is there too, and Bob actually pretends for a little while that he doesn't know Felicia, which I was like, uncool Bob, but he shows up when it matters, so I'm gonna let it slide, and they get super pissed.

They get a typical homophobic bullshit.

They chase Felicia down, they corner him, they're gonna they punch him, They're gonna, you know, really beat his ass.

When Bob shows up and Bernadette shows up too, and she immediately needs him right in the junk and says, now you're fucked, And there's a really sweet scene with Bernadette and Felicia's she's trying to comfort him after what's happened.

It's, yeah, you're they're not safe.

It's just another reminder that they are not safe.

They cannot go out and be themselves in probably most towns.

Yeah, and.

It's we would like to say, well it's gotten better since then, but.

Apparently one of the towns that they were featured in they actually have their own drag bread every year, and it's a little there.

They kind of like, I have embraced the culture a little better, Yeah, which is good.

Yeah, yeah, that's I feel like we were on a really good road to things being better, and there's definitely people in power who are trying to push it all back.

It's it's better than it was, but it's still not great.

Still not great.

Again, they don't really get the bus fixed, and but so and Bob just stays with them because now Bob's like, well i't really stay here after I, you know, so he goes.

There's a night where they're all hanging out and Bernadette and Bob are like drinking together, and Bernadette gives the other two like the eyes, like the get lost, like the get get so that she can cozy up to Bob.

But then she really just drinks too much and passes out.

She leaves her cake out in the rain.

That made me laugh so hard because I'm like, what is he talking about?

And then like her head lifts up and you see there's just she slept on a cake, which good for her.

Well, when I first saw the movie, I didn't realize that that was a song lyric.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't Mark, Yeah, I didn't put it together, Like even though I listened to a whole bunch of Donna Summer when you know, growing up and stuff.

But it didn't click.

And it was years later when I heard MacArthur Park again and I was like, oh shit, duh.

It was also a hit in the sixties.

It's a weird it's a weird song.

It's a really really weird song.

Yeah, it is a weird song.

So they they get to the casino resort thing and we meet Mitzi's wife and she's lovely, like so funny, so vivacious, so open and like totally cool with it.

And we meet Mitzi's son, and Mitzi's such a whiner about like he just he wants to, I don't know, pretend that he's a like super butch, like straight dad because he thinks that's what being a dad is.

And it's like, that's not what being a dad is.

Like.

Being a dad is like showing up for your kids and teaching them and all these things.

But he thinks it's about being super butcher or whatever.

And they put on their big show and it's too uh the song Finally, I used to love that song.

Oh my god, such a good song.

And they you know, have it has like multiple costume changes, it's really outrageous.

They you know, at one point they're like an ostriche then they're like these dinosaurs.

Then they're like it's really but it's so fun.

Like the crowd was like yay, like and I was like, I would have lost my mind.

I would have loved that show.

It would have been so fun.

Meanwhile, like Felicia spending all this time with Mitzi's son, and that's when the boy like says, like, my mom had a girlfriend, but they broke up, and it starts to be pieced together that this was a marriage of convenience, that they're old friends or something.

And they love each other.

Yeah, they do.

Like I get the impression that they were people who maybe grew up together and she was lesbian and he's gay, and they were just making it work.

I think they were high school sweethearts.

Yeah, like in my head, yeah.

That's what I had to so and then they do a thing where they do their frock on a rock, where they go out and they all get in full drag and they climb to the top of this rock and they're in their beautiful gowns.

And that's when they're like, well we did that, now let's go back to Sydney and they come back down and they you know, they're finishing out the run of their show and they're gonna leave.

And that's when Bernadette says, like, I'm actually gonna stay behind.

Now Bob is like working at the resort.

He's got his name tag on, and Bernadette's going to stay behind with Bob.

So they it's very sweet, like this is her chance to like have a partner and someone who appreciates her.

Yeah, who really gets her.

Yeah, and help run the place while Mitzi's wife takes her long deserved vacation that she deserves.

And they so it's Mitzi and Felicia and the Sun all get in the van they heard the van the bus and head back and they put on a great show.

They do ABBA because they can finally listen to some ABBA without Bernadette going no fucking abah and they yeah, they put on their great show and they're back in their community, like they're safe, and the Sun is really happy and they've like found their little groove.

And are we supposed to think that maybe Mitzi and Felicia are together.

Or no, no, no, no, no, they're best friends.

I'll allow it yeah, yeah, no, no, they find other people.

I think eventually, Yeah, it'd be interesting because you know there's to be a sequel.

Yes, yeah, I'm very of course, I'm gonna run right out and see that.

Yeah, obviously, and you know it ends after that, and then it plays Saved the Best for last, like I'd be in there cleaning the theater so happy, singing along.

It's just it's such a happy, like fun movie with yeah, with a couple of serious moments that are realistic.

Yes, yes, exactly that, but I just super love it and do you So this came out and then the following year, Tou wang Fu Thanks for Everything, Julie Newmark comes out, and some people definitely felt like they needed to pick sides.

Yeah.

I was never one of those people.

I was like, I like them both, but do you have a preference one or the other.

I do like them both, and I think there's some scenes in Tu wang Fu that are great, and I think there's some I think, actually, Priscilla, it's to me, actually it's a little long.

It's just a little long for me.

I think there's a couple of there's a couple of scenes where I think it's also I don't know if it's his first time directing, but there's a couple of choices he makes that I'm like, eh, But I think the story is better in Priscilla than it isn't Tou wog Fu.

I think it's much more thought out and they take more risks.

Yes, I would agree with that.

I like this one more too, just because I think it's the Terence stamp of it all.

That he classes up the joint, doesn't he like whenever he's in something is there's something about him and he's I just he She reminds.

Me of rou of br Oh my god, totally.

Like her character is just like br Olden girls, Like that's her job, and I love somebody who has that job.

Like just just funny Stern but like will laugh and can just like give a glare and it's hilarious.

Yeah it could be.

I like this one more just because I saw it first too.

But I we talked about Toowong Fu.

I really like that one too.

I think Patrick Swayzey is really good in that movie.

Yes, he is definitely given it a lot of heart.

They're all really good in it, but for me, he was the standout.

But this one is the one I would if you put them side by side, I would watch this one.

Yeah.

I think Wesley Snipes is kind of the weakest in that trio.

It's John Leguizamo and Patrick Swayzey and I think Wesley Snipes is not completely committed.

Yeah, I think there's some But they got Wesley Snipes in a dress in nineteen ninety five.

I mean wow.

Again, because for years like this sort of thing would have been like the Kiss of Death.

It's like, saygabye your career, you know, right, you could do it, and like like Dustin Hoffman did it and Tutsie, you know, but he was also playing someone super straight who's just happy.

To be great and also half the time he is most of the time he's Michael Dorsey's he's not.

Yeah, so yeah, that's a good point.

Yeah, we should do that movie sometimes.

I would love to.

I love that movie.

Yeah, I guess we should probably point out that, you know, all the drag queens of this movie are played by like straight white men, which, yeah, I don't know if that's the choice they would make now if they were making that movie making the movie today, although they're gonna make a sequel and it's gonna have all the same actors, so and I will totally watch that.

Can take my money, Yeah, take my money, now, let's do it.

I read that Tim Curry was considered for the role of Mitzi.

I think that would be the Hugo Weaving role.

I think Tim Curry already nailed this role.

Frankenfurter's already.

I think you can't outdo Frankenfurter.

No, that would be unfair, like yeah, no, And then some other people were Rupert Everett was considered, and I'm like that makes sense, yeah, and then Colin Firth and I'm like I don't know if Colin Firth.

No, I can't picture that.

No, but Rupert ever, it makes sense.

And then for Bernadette there was quite the list.

Apparently Tim Curry again was considered for Bernadette.

David Bowie.

I'm like, well, anything, I would totally see Bowie in anything, but yeah, John.

Cleese, it's not right.

No, See, that's just like money python shit, right, like they just shrag all the time, like whatever.

Yeah, but that was also making fun of women.

It was like it's it's yeah.

And then Tony Curtis, but I was like, he's probably too old.

He was way too old.

Yeah.

And then John Hurt and I'm like, okay, maybe, yeah that.

I could picture.

But parents Stamp is great.

He's doing a great job.

Yeah.

And then the movie was nominated for and one, as I mentioned, for Best Costume Design.

And I thought you might like to hear the other movies that were nominated.

Yes please, okay, Queen Margot, Oh my god, I've never seen that.

Actually, well now you need to see it.

Yeah, the movie Maverick with Jody Foster and James Garner and Mel Gibson.

Yes, yeah, I love James Garner.

I love Jody Foster.

The rest Little Women.

I loved Little Women.

Oh my god.

The remake is really good.

It is gold there's It's a perfect movie.

Yeah.

And I love the remake too, the one with the Gretigerwig remake.

I really liked that one too.

But I really loved this one.

Like yeah, yeah, Bullets over Broadway.

Great movie.

I know Woody Allen is problematic as fuck and blah blah blah, but I saw that also.

The clothes were great.

The clothes were great.

And Jennifer Tilly.

That movie is worth watching just for Jennifer Tilly.

She's so fucking funny in that funny.

And then, like I said, Priscilla One, it's still, as of this day, the only like recent contemporary film to win the Academy Award for Best Costume.

Design because they always go with period pieces.

Yes, right, that's bananas, which is bananas.

There's so much work involved in costuming.

Yeah, and there's so many choices that are made very thought it's very thoughtful what they're doing every garment that's on screen.

Like for most films, it's a very well fought out process.

But we're trained to think, well, if it's a period piece, it's going to be more somber, and it's going to win for costume and our direction.

Yeah.

Yeah, but it's it was a big deal that it won.

I also have a list of other movies with drag queens.

Oh, let's do it.

Okay, we already mentioned too Wung Fu, so we'll just go ahead and skip that Pink Flamingos.

You know, I haven't seen it in a long time?

Is that the Dog Blue one?

Yes, I've always seen.

Paris is Burning great, great documentary, great documentary, The Rocky Horror Picture Show, great.

The First Half great.

Yes, I find that movie.

There's some songs.

I just find it kind of runs out of gas at some point, but like the first like forty five minutes to.

An hour's great.

Yes, Kinky Boots, great movie.

I've never seen it.

Oh, it's really good and the stage show is fantastic.

City Lauper does the music.

Ooh it's I'm telling you.

I've seen so many musicals in my life.

It's one of my favorites.

Okay I should yeah, yeah, flawless.

That's Philip Seymour Hoffman's Robert de Niro.

Yeah, yeah, it's also real bummer.

Yeah, it is a bummer.

I love phillipsy Moore Hoffman.

We both are Ipy Victor Victoria.

I don't think I've ever seen that one.

I don't.

I've only seen clips of it because it used to play on like HBO when I was a kid.

Yeah.

Same, I've never seen it, and I actually wonder.

I don't think Blake Edwards is for me.

I find it very spotty.

Yes, most of it I think is kind of just tacky and junkie.

Yeah and JANKI.

Yes, like shit like ten I'm like no so be yeah, no, thank you, all those like pink Panther movies.

No, thank you.

The first pig Panther movie, I would defend.

I think it's very funny, but I think it's like after a while, it's like, okay, we've seen this like a thousand times now.

Yeah, Skin Deep with John Ritter.

Love John Ritter.

Don't love that movie.

But it's got the one with the glow in the dark concos which is fun.

That part.

Yes, all right, p John Ritter.

I know, do you know?

He was only fifty four when he died.

I was looking at up the other day.

My cousin got married that weekend.

I was at her wedding and we woke up to those that news and I was so I was looking it up to like when did she get married?

It was two thousand and three, and yeah, he was only fifty four, which is heartbreaking, it's said, and he was apparently so beloved, like people loved him.

If y'all aren't following his son Jason Ridder on social media, you should.

He's he's a delight.

He does interpretive dance, and he does interpretive dance to the Mattlock theme.

He's in Mattlock, and yeah, he.

Is definitely his father's Son.

Yeah, a few more.

The Bird Cage, great movie.

We love.

We did an episode on that.

Hedwig and the Angry.

Inch fantastic, And I've seen I had.

I didn't see the original show.

You only cool in New York if you saw Hedwig at Jane Street, like, you're just a total loser if you didn't saw I'm a Loser.

But I saw with Neil Patrick Harris and it was fucking amazing.

That's still really cool to me.

I'm like, I've only seen the movie so and the movie's great, and the music is so good in that film, Yes, so good.

And then the last one is Torch Song Trilogy.

It's that's a riot, hilarious Harvey Firestein, who's just one of the most joyous people I know, and a but it's like it's just the beginning of the AIDS crisis, and it's one of the first movies about it.

Yeah, it was a It was a Broadway show for many years, and then it was made into a film with him and Matthew Broderick.

Yeah, yeah, I.

Remember it played.

It played at my theater at the Regency in Pleasant Hill.

Ah.

Yes, and uh, it didn't make a lot of money.

We didn't have a lot of people coming to see it, and I remember people I worked with would make fun of it, and I was like, grow up, bro whatever, like fun go.

I wouldn't have said bro, because that wasn't something you said in like nineteen eighty eight or whatever.

But I was just like, grow up asshole, Like yeah, anyway, that's our list.

Okay, do you want to hear the top ten songs for uh?

It's this is August fourteenth, nineteen ninety four.

I'm ready.

It's a good list.

Man So Number ten Back and Forth by Aliyah.

We Love Aliah, We Love Aleiah.

Number seven Regulate Warreng and Nate Dogg mount Up.

I love that song.

Dope Dope song.

Number eight Janet Jackson Anytime.

Anyplace, Sexy, So Sexy.

It is number seven, Ace of Bass, Don't turn Around.

Don't turn Around.

I Love Them.

Number six De Bratt Functified, Love to Bratt, Love the Breast.

This is a great list.

It's a really good list.

Number five This is So nineteen ninety four Elton John Can't you feel the love tonight?

Can you feel the love tonight?

Sorry?

This so The Lion King played at my movie theater for a year a year.

That movie came out in like May, I think, or April or May, and my sister and I remember we went to see it Thanksgiving.

It was still in like the A theaters.

That movie made so much fucking money.

I'm not even exaggerating.

No, we're not exaggerating.

Like it was in the theaters forever.

Yes, it was on video and it was still in our theater.

Yeah, and it made money.

Kids could not see it enough.

Yep.

Yeah.

Number four, Wild Night, John Mellencamp, Michelle ned.

Cello, God, damn it, the Deggacello.

I love that song, this great song.

It's a Van Morrison song.

Number three, Fantastic Voyage.

Coolio, Slid Slide, Slaat.

Yep, it's a good one.

That was a bop.

That was a fucking bop.

Number two I swear all for one.

Oh yeah, ballad.

That's a total wedding song.

And number one this is so nineteen ninety four Stay Lisa.

Lobe and nine Stories.

I was obsessed with this song and that video.

With her, Yes, the glasses and the little dresses she wore, the pinafores.

Shit.

Yeah, he was amazing.

When I first got my glasses, I had these like little black, hard rimmed glasses and people would be like, okay, Lisa Lobe take that as a compliment.

Yes, I was obsessed.

That's a good list, right, what else are you jorkying out about?

My friend?

First?

I want to talk about on TikTok because I know you and I are both on TikTok sometimes like way too much.

I don't know if you caught this.

Ay, I'm not sure when exactly it started trending, but yesterday it was like in full force.

It's Tyler who's on a carnival cruise?

Do you know about this?

No, so carnival cruise.

I do follow some cruises on TikTok.

I don't know why, but I've never been on a cruise.

I don't want to go on a cruise, but I'm kind of fascinated by a cruises because culture.

There's a crew culture for sure that is definitely interesting.

Yes.

Yeah, they're people who love them and like some people like for like they live on a shop, yes, you know, for like a few months at a time, like they take their points and they move it around.

And so Carnival is considered sort of you know, the more basic one that's the one like it.

It appeals to a lot of different people.

There's some really you know, there's Disney, there's some really high level ones, super expensive ones.

So Carnival is having it's a karaoke night or whatever, and there's this kid named Tyler.

He's twenty years old, white kid, and this is important.

He's he's he's up in the front, and all of a sudden, he breaks into a song called Nobody by Keith Sweat, okay, which is it's a ballad, it's like a it's a it's a romantic ballad.

And he starts just singing it and the crowd goes fucking crazy, and it's mostly an African American audience, and it's so funny.

There's one you can see it.

There's a woman in blue who as soon as he starts singing, she gets up and walks away from her chair.

And that's actually a.

Huge compliment because it means like, you are so good, I can't take this right now.

And this kid, who looks like a frat boy from Atlanta, just starts singing this Keith Sweat song and then everybody in the crowd starts singing with him like they're so into it, and it's like, I'm gonna f this.

You have to find this because all these people are just posting and reposting it and they're putting on Instagram and his name is Tyler.

And then like Carnival Cruz, they got so much, you know, fraction from that that Carnival Cruz basically said you're a new brand ambassador and time you want to be on here, you can be on here for free.

Because that's the kid is.

It's it's he's so entertaining and so sweet, and the audience it's so funny.

There's this older couple that like the husband's pretending to dry hump the wife at some point, because but it's all done in good takee.

I mean, it's all like good fun.

It's just people having fun because they just it's so in congress because you think he's gonna sing like limp biscuit or something, oh stupid yeah or.

Whatever, like I don't know what boys listen to now.

But and then like and then he just he goes right into Keith Sweat, like nineteen ninety six Keith Sweat and all that.

And when you read the comments, people are like, this kid was raised right, like he's got really good parents because he is.

He's so fun and really just knows.

How to play along and get along with people.

And just.

I love it when someone who is younger does stuff that's like, I don't know, like they take on like a persona of an older like the act that a young kid, a young man, I should say, sings a song from a song before he.

Was born, like his parents probably even met each other yet, like it's like that long ago and he just he's dancing and he's flirting with the audience and.

It's so funny.

It's so great, you know, and it's just and I'm not usually a karaoke person, but I just I just really got into it.

It's okay.

So that's that.

On Hulu, there's Call Me Alex, which is the Alex Cooper's called from Call Me Daddy podcast, And you and I talked about this on What a Creep yesterday.

I finished it.

Oh yeah, what did you think?

I thought it was really really good, really interesting stuff, Like she's she's thirty.

She's thirty, and she's so fucking together.

She's so rich, she's so rich.

And good looking and has a handsome and lovely husband.

And she's a whole of life and I want to hate her, but I can't because she's just she.

You could tell she works super hard.

She works hard.

She was like.

This is also filmed while she's on her tour, so it's a story of like what she was like when she was younger.

Some fucked up shit she went through in college, that's for sure, and then how she built up the podcast and how it became what it is, and like you can see that this is someone who busted their ass to make it happen.

And then she takes the podcast on the road like a show for live audiences, and that show looks super fun, Like I would go to that.

But the stuff with her in college, we talked about this a little bit on What a Creep where she was being harassed by her female soccer coach and she put up with a lot of shit for like three years and they still didn't do shit about it, and just was like, you can stay and keep your scholarship, but they didn't do anything about it, and it's now really fucked up.

And it is interesting the way the podcast changed over the years, because she changed over the years.

Right, it was very like people will still be like, it's a sex podcast.

It isn't.

It isn't anymore.

It used to be.

It used to be just like here's how you give an amazing blowjob or whatever.

Right, it was raunchy, and she had another co host, and then she was doing it on her own and it became an interview show and now she's like one of the top podcasts out there.

Yes, so it's definitely had an evolution, and so is she and she has her own like podcast network right now.

And like it was just it was really well done.

It's super interesting.

So thanks for sending that my way.

Feet Yeah, no, definitely.

On Peacock there's a documentary about the Gilgoa Beach, Long Island.

There's a serial killer on Long Island, Rex Humerman Humorman.

I ate shit, this is moving up to the top of my list.

Oh my god, y'all.

I am originally from Long Island.

It's a very odd place to grow up.

It's like it is a Long Island that's attached to New York and it might as well be Florid or something.

It's just a whole different world from New York City.

And it's this guy that basically there were all these sex workers that were disappearing.

And in the winter time, like it's it's a very it's it's an island, so there are beaches throughout the whole along the coast of it, right, and so during the summers it's packed, but in the winters it's desolate.

So anything can happen, you know, anywhere, and you and these women were missing, and and there were a lot of women missing for years and years, and they had a police officer that was in charge that turned out to be a total creep, and they had all this these things happened, but they found a bunch of bodies in this one section, and they found the person that did it.

And he was like based in massive Pequa.

I think it's Massive Pequa.

I'm sorry if I got that wrong, but he he was based in Nasau County and then he would have had a burner phone and then he would work in the city as an architect.

And he was a very successful architect.

Okay, yes, but this is a newer documentary because it actually features an interview with his wife and kids and they're like at the house where it all happened.

Okay, this is the one that's on Peacock it's on Peacock.

Okay, I watched the one that was on Netflix, so I'm going to watch the one that's on Peacock.

Now.

It's it's really I mean, it's chilling what this man got away with.

And he hasn't been tried yet, so I'm not he's you know, he's it's alleged, but.

He's but he's guilty.

But anyway, yeah, it's it's yeah, I mean, you know, it's a true crime documentary, so it's not a lot of laughs, but it's interesting.

And I also, we need to talk about Netflix the documentary.

Type we do, Yes, we do, which.

You talk about a CEO with Hubris and it's basically a borderline sociopath definitely a narcissist, yes, but is he a psychopath or a sociopath?

I wonder which, because it's straight up fucking evil what he did.

I'm just gonna say it.

Look, we all know, like most people probably know the story because there was this like submersible, like a little mini submarine if you will, that like rich people could go in to go down and see the Titanic, and for a while it was it was missing and we didn't know, and of course the internet was like yeah, fuck the rich, and right, I hope whales ate them or what you know.

And there was a kid on there.

There was a kid it was like seventeen yea, yeah, and.

I get it because also I would also like to eat the right.

I get it.

I'm hungry and I want to eat the rich.

But it's really I didn't know all the story about all the people had left this company and had tried to like raise red flags about what he's doing is super unsafe and people are going to get killed, right, and nobody did shit.

You know, people quit and people tried to do something.

So the submersible, so there, it's four thousand meters to the to where under under to where the Titanic is, you have to go through four thousand meters, which is a lot a long, long long way down and it's very very dangerous.

And he came up with the submersible that they made it from this carbon what is it called?

It was this like yeah fiber, Yeah, these carbon fibers that they I think they're all like strung together, and but as they get deeper you could hear them snapping.

Right, So because you couldn't, he didn't they didn't want to use steel or other or tougher materials because it would be so heavy.

It would just you can't move it around easily.

Right, you have to be able to get in and out of the water pretty quickly.

So they picked this lighter material.

But they were told the man that what's his name, Scott, Oh, I'm gonna look it up.

Yeah, I'll look up.

The CEO was told and he's a typical CEO.

He's a guy that was he was raised super wealthy.

His wife, her great great grandparents were on the Titanic and died, and they were from the Strauss family that created Macy's.

His family, they were he can trace back to signing the Declaration of Independence.

He's super fucking wealthy.

So he's gone through like rush, stopped in rush.

Thank you.

He he And I've talked to CEOs and you you have too, I'm sure yeah, you've talked to bosses worth.

They don't want to hear no, they just want their idea, and especially you know in modern times, in the last twenty years with tech revolution, like just constantly have this idea, like you know, they'd have total boners for Steve.

Wozniak elon Musk.

All these tech bros who break things and do something different, and they're like blah blah blah.

There's all this like sharp elbows.

You know, this guy brings it up.

He brings it up.

He names names, he talks about them and says they have like big, big dick energy.

Yeah, big swinging dicks.

And he wants to be part of that big swinging dick club.

And this is his thing that's going to get him there.

He wants to be Elon Musk.

He wants to be Jeff Bezos and yes, this is and he wants to be James Cameron.

Yes, and you're gonna You're gonna get me there.

And I don't want to hear no, make it frecking happen.

Just make it happen.

And I have to be the captain.

I have to be the one that leads it.

I have to be the one that gets you know.

So he's and he hires people who are really talented, who really like the idea of like deep ocean exploration because we don't know that much about what happens.

Under the sea.

It's a mysterious thing.

Uh, I think it's I watch ocean documentaries all the time.

Right, my brother.

My brother's in the navy.

He worked in nuclear subs so he had all kinds of stories about being in the antarctics, you know, on a submarine and all.

It's a fascinating life what's happening, but.

It's it's very very dangerous, you know, to what they're doing.

And he's in this submersible and every once in a while they're like, you can hear a banging sound and it's like it's breaking apart.

And he's just like, oh, well, that's not good.

And he's on like a little mouth.

He's like, I got an Apple laptop in front of him and a joystick.

He has like a Nintendo controller.

That's how he drives the thing.

It's a Nintendo controller one, I know what it looks like.

Yeah, so he's he's yes, yeah, it's more complicated than a joystick.

But he's so he's dry.

He's driving this thing and at one point, like they wind up tangled like under the Andrea Doria.

Or something, and the guy that the Scottish guy that he hired says to him, dude, someone's gonna get killed like this is He first says, there's another person that says, we need third party inspection.

We need somebody who has no snake, you know, no stake in the game.

But they will give us the okay that this is okay.

They they they actually called people that are passengers.

They didn't want to call them passengers because then you have to make you have to go through all this rigmarole with all these naval companies and associations and organizations to make it safe.

So he's like their missions specialists, specialists, and it's it's so bizarre.

So he he's told you need to do third party He's like, well, I'm not doing that.

We're not doing We're just not doing that because they're just going.

To tell him no.

So that guy quits and then he has a guy as the Scottish guy, and he's he's saying to him like he's the one who has to take over the controls and bring it back up and that like after that, Scott stocked and hated him because he outshown him basically, and so then he and they recorded that like he fires this guy basically humiliates him.

Yeah, he's like someone's got to go and it's not going to be me.

And it's not and he talks like a badass, Like he's like so tough, and he's you know, he could tell he's in real life.

He's a total whimp.

Like if he didn't have he's a total asshole.

But he's warned over and over and over again, this is not safe.

You are on borrow time with this thing.

Yes, and go ahead.

You know.

I was just gonna say.

There's this whole thing about how how deep they can go with the submersibles.

So and there's all kinds of footage they filmed everything and they're sending it down and they can hear like pop pop pop, like things are popping, but they would still get to like four thousand meters or whatever.

And he's like, see, like it didn't implode or whatever.

And it's like but things are still breaking, and you you don't It doesn't mean that the next time it won't break sooner, right, you know, Like and he was just like he didn't care.

He just didn't care.

He just decided that if it's what I want, it's gonna work.

Yeah, it's gonna happen.

That's that's exactly.

And then there's a trip where he took the the uh one of them was a man who's bid to the Titanic many many times, was like an expert work with James Cameron and David.

Pogu, who's a reporter that I've worked with.

He's a tech reporter and he has a he writes.

He did write for The New York Times, and they also work with CBS Sunday Morning.

And he was doing a segment with that oh yeah yeah, and they had him and he was like he couldn't believe it that he was using that Nintendo thing and he was saying, like this just looks crazy, like because they were charging people a couple of one hundred thousand dollars to do this, yep.

And then he said he asked that guy, the Titanic guy, like is this are you sure this is gonna be safe?

Like I was like, oh yeah, I'm like they did not give him all the information.

There's no way that man.

They did not.

They did not give him all the information because he was he would not have done that.

But he's dead.

Stockton Rush is dead.

There's another worker that's dead, and then there's a father and son.

And there's yeah, I think he was nineteen or something, but like seventeen.

Yeah, it's it's really fucked up.

Like it's preventable.

It was preventable, right, all of them are dead, and it's it could have been prevented, and like all and how do you live with that survivor's guilt?

All those people that worked for it.

I mean, that's gotta be rough, even though it's not your fault.

I mean, your boss was an asshole and the one person who should die did die.

Someone's got to die.

But he also took out four other people with him, right, And it was because he's an asshole, because he was a selfish, insecure.

Poor yep who wanted wanted a big swinging dick.

Wanted a big swinging dick.

You know, I loved him.

When they showed his grades from high school, I'm like, he's not even that smart.

Is not that smart?

No, people think he is, but he's just got jargon down.

No, it's people who are rich think that they got rich because they're smart.

Right, It's like, no, you John, this guy stocked it like he got his money from his family.

Yes, that doesn't make you smart.

Look at Donald Trump.

He's fucking stupid as hell, right, money from his family.

Elon Musk got his money from his family.

They're not rich because they're smart.

They're rich because they came from money and they made.

More money from it.

And they also there's it's the avarice involved, like it's just I don't care if people.

He said, I will spend fifty k to ruin you.

Yes, So the man from Scotland that was the expert went to a whistleblower organization to say you need to look into this because this is dangerous and then he sued him.

Yes, and it cost them their savings.

Like he's he had to drop out, he got to drop his lawsuit because they they it stopped and said to him, I will spend fifty k and ruin anybody.

He didn't care, no, and that's they're all counting on that.

Again.

This is still like this is what Donald Trump, this is why Donald Trump files all those lawsuits because he hopes that people will just give up and pay him to go away.

Right, he has all this money and he'll just keep suing you over and appealing and you'll pay and pay and pay until you have nothing left.

Right, And that's that's exactly what he did.

So you know, it's it's a it's a it should be a cautionary tale.

I mean yeah, I mean I I I hope it would be.

But it does talk about like just this tech bro culture of you have to break things in order to you know, have any kind of forward momentum in technology to get to the next level.

And it's but when you're breaking things that that's requires killing people, that's probably not something you want to do, right you think you would think you would think.

Yeah, I just don't get it.

It's now even if they created something that was like it's super safe.

No, I had fucking way would I do it?

No, I would never do it.

And I again, I would love to like see under the I would do one of those like ones that's like on top of the ocean.

You canh yeahn like that.

Sure.

I like going to the aquarium when they have like the like ceiling like is all like is all glass and you can see them moving around like that.

I love that, Yeah, or a glass bottom boat like that's yeahty like sure, I think that's But get me in one of those little contained things where they literally bolt you in.

They both in and and you're sitting on a floor like you're not in a chair, even you're not like strapped in You're just like just sitting on the floor and he's got a laptop and a game day and he's it's like, are you fucking kidding?

Well, it's it's something seems like to me, it just seems like, what the fuck did it?

Is?

This?

Like it's as a joke and yeah, and he got a lot of press for it.

I mean and I know, like just working in communications in PR all those years, Like, I just know what it's like to talk to tech people and especially when you're in that startup culture like they promise they they they are, it's always stressful.

They never make their their deadlines.

You know, there's always things that happen.

It's incredibly stressful.

You do need a huge ego to kind of navigate things sometimes, but that's also the thing that will bite you in the ask you don't pay attention.

Yeah, and if you're if you're not keeping it safe and you're not really it's just it's ough and it's uh, it's infuriating.

It is completely because it is completely avoidable.

Yep.

It's really sad.

Yeah, it's it's The documentary is really well done, but it's it's Yeah, it's not a laugh.

Riot.

That's for sure.

It's a fucking bummer.

It's a bummer.

Yeah yeah, anything else on your list?

No, that's it.

Your list was my list.

Uh oh okay, So I don't have any well, love hotel.

We're getting close to the end, I think, yeah, hotel.

So going back to Shannon and Mule of the Pearl, So Merle the Pearl has a home.

Turns out he has two homes.

I didn't know he had two homes either.

That.

I love Gisella when she brought that up.

Oh, he's got a second off.

She's interested.

Interesting.

But he has a home in Georgia at a home in Florida, and there is a hurricane that happened last year and it struck both places.

And he tells Shannon, I'm really worried about my house.

There's this hurricane coming.

And there's two things.

Shannon is selfish and narcissistic, like she's like she's all about Shannon.

And also she's a California girl.

And I'm a weather geek.

So I and I live on the East Coast, like we do get hurricanes and we have like weather is a big deal, Like it can ruin your plans, you know, it could, right, and so when hurricane seasons in effect here in the states, like you hear about it by the minute, because it can change, and it'll be interesting when happens this year.

Interesting, I mean terrifying, because yeah, so he anyway, if one of his homes was flooded and the other one's.

Okay, yeah, so he she he told her like, I'm really anxious about this.

I'm worried that this hurricane's gonna hit my house in Florida.

But then he also told her, I think it's gonna miss it, right, So she took that as we.

Yeah, she took that as like, and then she just has some well I have a good feeling about it, blah blah blah.

And people say things like that and they think they're being helpful, but I feel like it's kind of a cop out thing to say.

It's like, all right, you're you're you're making me anxious now, so I'm gonna I'm gonna cut down the conversation.

So she gave him a key to stay at her place that night, but at the same time, they were expected to have dinner the women, so Merle the Pearl said, oh, well, you go to dinner I'm just going to watch the news and watch it from my room and just let me know what it's done.

And she said, okay.

So she goes to dinner and if you're going to dinner in the count just Luanna is there, you will You'll be drinking and you'll be dancing on tables, which is what she finds up doing.

It was so funny because it's literally like, here's earle Back like worrying about a hurricane coming to his house.

Cut to Shannon's on a chair like w.

She's screaming at the top of her lugs.

Okay.

So turns out it was intense, like it did go through, like one of his homes was damaged, and and he's upset and freaked out.

So the next so she tries reaching out to him, like, hey, I'm back from the dinner.

She texts him.

She goes to his door and knocks in the door.

She's like, he's not answering, so she's like, I don't know what's going on.

So he comes by the next morning and she has these gigantic rollers in her hair that she doesn't take out, and he then says, I'm really mad at you because I was worried, and you went out drinking with your friends and I was up all night worried about this hurricane and you never checked on me, and you're so selfish.

And she's like completely blindsided by this, Like what are you talking about?

I didn't know, and I don't know.

It's like, who's do you take on that?

I mean, they're both assholes.

I mean, let's be clear, Yeah, they're both assholes.

Part of me is like, Okay, maybe she skips the dinner if you really care, if you really care about Earl the girl and he's worried about his house, Like, maybe maybe you skip the dinner and you stay.

Yeah, and you're together.

Also, it's his first night staying in your place, so wait, so maybe y'all stay together.

So I understand that, but I also understand like real housewives love hotel.

This is her job, so it's your job to be on the show.

Yeah, so maybe she needed to go to the dinner for and he did tell her, I don't think it's going to hit my house, so she just took that as well.

He knows what he's talking about and went out.

So I can kind of see both sides, But I don't think he handles it very well, and she's very emotional and she freaks out, like she's like shaking and sobbing, and I was like, that's a little much for a guy that you've known for like ten days.

Ten days if that, I mean, it's they're not they're not.

And he's like saying, like, you didn't do this, and it's like, and I will agree with her.

I'm like, well, you should have said something if you wanted her to be there.

At some point, women aren't mind readers.

We're not.

Nobody's a mind nobody's a mind reader like you can't nobody is.

So at some point, if you really desperately need someone and you're really nervous and you're anxious and you want them to.

You know, reach out and say, look, I.

Know you're having fun with your friends, but I'm really really upset right now.

Can you please come over?

And I'm sure she would have been there in a second.

Yeah, I'm he would want, but.

He'd rather that she would do it on her own without him having to ask yes, which I understand that I do.

But at the same time, they're both arguing like they're they're teenagers, Like he is kind of like they're both so emotionally immature that they don't.

It's it's I mean, he's.

Really seriously like, well you should have known, and this is not good enough.

You're sorry, doesn't work for me, Like, well let leave, like okay, yeah, by bye bye, Okay, you want a mind reader, go go, good luck with that.

Yeah, leave the kid at the door, bye.

Right.

But she well that's what you get, Shannon for putting all your eggs in the earl the pearl basket like she did not.

It's so funny because this is happening on Love Island, USA too, Like some people put like they meet someone and they're like, I'm just gonna just focus on the one person from the start.

And it's like, well, then you didn't get a chance to like get to know anyone else, right, Like you can't.

It's a wasted opportunity.

I'm not saying that like, oh, you meet someone and you have a connection and fuck that connection and you should do whatever, but like she really didn't mingle with anyone else.

She picked Earl over and over and over, even for dates and shit, like, so now what she has not you know, it's the show's basically over and it's like, oh, good, you picked someone that you could fight with the whole time.

Right, And we all know couples that love to fight each other too, Like that's that's their whole thing, which makes them unbelievably awful to hang out with.

And they lose all their friends and then they only have each other.

Yeah, so that's then that becomes a thing because they can't be alone.

So then they then they're just codependent and just yelling at each other yeah and crying.

Yeah.

I mean like it's like that that couple that does that, Like you you want to like run away, like literally just take off and leave.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean just it just made me laugh so hard because I'm just like, you've known him for ten days, and now I want to say that to him, you've known her for just ten days.

No, she doesn't know every secret language that you have and to know like you know, to just like, oh, he's really upset right now.

He's like, did you check your phone for the hurricanes?

No?

Because she's working.

I mean, yes's getting drunk and dancing.

But that is the job.

Too, it is, believe it or not, that is the job.

It's just my you would flip your mind.

If you watched Love Island USA and the way they behave after like a couple of days, I'm like, bitch, you don't even know him.

You don't even know him.

You're literally like they're crying, like real tears, losing their shit over like a man that they just met like three days ago, And I'm like, what are you doing right?

Well, and the men do the same thing.

By the way, I'm not just calling out the women here that it's bananas to me.

I know that, like reality shows operate on a different timeline.

But come on, right, that's yeah, it's crazy.

Yeah, And I was.

I did think it was funny when h Leu Anne it was like calling out Mark for like they brought that guy back, and he still like couldn't be bothered to like pursue her correctly in a real way.

Then he's like, well, I don't want to leave, so I'm gonna ask Giselle to like have time me And Giselle's like, bitch, I'm not anyone's second place, right, you know, he just wants to stay on the show.

And I think I'm sure a lot of these guys are like that.

They just want to be on the show.

It's I'm getting paid.

They're at a resort in Mexico.

It looks lovely.

I mean, you know, it's just dealing with these crazy women and they're all nuts.

They are.

I hope there's another season.

I can't wait for the next season.

I cannot wait for it to happen.

I'm like, I won't watch every season.

There is a bit of controversy because the host of Love Hotel I can't remember his name, but he put out a tweet last year or he posted on Instagram somewhere.

He posted on social media that Shannon Badoor is like the worst person he ever met, that she treats everybody as sub human and she's terrible and blah blah blah, and then he had to take it down.

Oh and now Joel kim poot.

Kid, Yes, sorry, I knew he had like four names.

He he had a three or names, So anyway, that's yeah.

He So now he's saying like, oh, well that was last I was in a heated moment.

I don't feel that way now.

I'm sure they got on his case because he wants to get the next season, but I don't think he'll hire him back.

Oh well, not if well, they probably won't bring Shannon back, so maybe maybe they would keep him.

I don't know.

Yeah, but she's she's a good job, but she is nuts.

They're all nuts, like.

Yeah, you know, el had you like lose date showed up and he was like shirtless, and she's like, go get a shirt.

Like they're all hanging out the lobby of the hotel and he's just not wearing his shirt.

He's like, yeah, it's hot.

It's like I.

Could not take that for two seconds, Like, are you a child?

Yeah, put on his shirt.

I shouldn't have to tell a grown man to get dressed.

He's like sixty years old and he has to.

He's like taking his shirt off and walking out like yeah, And.

She sang him the night before.

Yes.

She's just like and he's like she's my girlfriend and she's like, I am not your girl friend, right.

She keeps saying that, like no, we're not.

The show is so ridiculous.

Oh it's so great though, it is.

It's so great.

I'm like I really enjoying it again, Do do more?

Do another Ultimate Girls Trip?

I'll watch that too, Like all that shit, I'm into it, Like, just don't bring back Ramona.

I don't like her.

She annoys me.

Ramona is the worst, the worst.

Yeah, did you see the announced the cast for season four of Traders.

Yes, and they brought Derinda back.

Derinda, who's also a nightmare, but she is great television.

So they brought her on season three and she was the first one.

Kicked off and it's and she was also ran an Ultimate Girls trip was out of her home.

Yeah blue man or Bluestone manner.

Yeah.

Yeah, Oh she's insane.

It's she.

It's hilarious to because she's the only one full of herself.

Yeah, she got like no time on The Traders season three, and so they brought her back.

And I will die if they just kick her off immediately.

I will laugh out loud because she is the how There's a bunch of housewives on The Traders and for some reason they were very They went after the housewives in season three, like they targeted them and got rid of like three of them, like boom, boom boom.

Like one of them made it to the end.

I forget her name, but Dolores made it to the end.

Yeah, Dolores is really clever.

Yeah she yah, But the rest of them aren't they're just egotistical and they don't understand, like the ship you get away with on Housewives is not going to work on Traders.

But that's part of the fun.

That's part of the fun because we love laughing at them.

Yeah, it is.

I watched season three.

I hadn't watched the other seasons.

I just watched season three.

I will watch season four.

But it is a fascinating show because they take all these reality show stars and there's like a lot of people from Survivor, a lot of Big Brother, you know, people like Amazing Race, like people who are on these competition shows, right and competitive, Yes, and then you throw them in there with like Real Housewives or people from Summer House and it's like those shows are about people who get drunk and make bad choices.

Right, Nobody gets kicked out of the house.

Nobody gets kicked off the show.

Like they're there the whole time, so they're always shocked when not everybody loves them right away yes, or knows who they are.

Which is part of the fun.

Yes, it was.

It was hilarious.

So I'm looking forward to the next season.

It's gonna be messy as always.

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