[SPEAKER_02]: Hello and welcome back to the pretty little podcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: We are your hosts.

[SPEAKER_02]: My name is Phoebe and my name is Caroline and today you guys know we have the talk all about the life of a show girl I predict that will be the bulk of the episode and that's okay [SPEAKER_02]: it kind of has to be a kind of has to be a look it's it's just what it is and you don't have to like Taylor Swift you don't have to like the album but you do have to know that you're wrong.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well also do you just have to know that like that was obviously going to be what we were going to be talking about so of course so if you're here then I'm assuming you're on board.

[SPEAKER_02]: But we have other stuff to talk about first of course one being our epic freaking weekend no [SPEAKER_02]: And that was me talking to my mom, dog.

[SPEAKER_02]: Said.

[SPEAKER_02]: Said things he's a podcast guest and I'm like said you literally don't speak English literally and you don't have time in the day He's so busy.

[SPEAKER_02]: So busy.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like famously one thing about Sid our dog Sid vicious Well, they're two famous things about him the first one is that we don't know if that's the dog that we picked up when we thought Sid vicious because he looks completely different than he did When we got him and number two is that Sid has a packed schedule.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh Sid like one time went in his in his cray.

[SPEAKER_02]: I found like a bunch of five hour energy.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it was like said [SPEAKER_02]: you're going to get a kidney song.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to get a kidney song if you keep back in like this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think he's kind of treating mom and dad's trip away this weekend as like he's on vacation because this morning Snoop was the one who was like scratching at the door, ready to get up.

[SPEAKER_01]: But when he we still set pretty late.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_01]: But you were annoying.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking at Snoop.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought that they were both scratching at the door being crazy.

[SPEAKER_01]: I walk in, Snoop is the one at the door and said, is on his back a sleep on the bed.

[SPEAKER_02]: It says, like, I've never stopped the song in my life.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I've never stopped the steeplead.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm never going to begin, so I have to soak it up.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because as soon as dad's home, I have to get to work.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, what's that?

[SPEAKER_02]: And I are kind of on the same schedule.

[SPEAKER_02]: So when dad gets up, I start my day too.

[SPEAKER_02]: We just sort of got it going.

[SPEAKER_02]: He works out.

[SPEAKER_02]: I work out, like, both get to work.

[SPEAKER_02]: My work is more sort of like scavenging, gathering, looking for things, talking to the forces, things like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm sad that when they got over in the beach, Sid bolts it inside, immediately went downstairs, came upstairs with a bone.

[SPEAKER_01]: He said is the king of hiding like he today under that sweatshirt I saw I saw up there I washed that sweatshirt digging around and I was like don't be home to go on that sweatshirt Yeah, that was expensive.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I move it bone under yeah those sweatshirt [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I love and said it's like in a fury like a furious frenzy running looking for something like an a hiding spot that he discovered six years ago You know, that's probably before we got him.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, he's looking at you right now like you guys are so still on me You guys are man anything else to talk about you have a podcast and you don't have anything else I'm literally living rent free in your mind and it's actually romantic all the time you're spending on the girls and don't you think about calling me boring Barbie [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody said we wouldn't.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, anyway, guys, they had an epic weekend.

[SPEAKER_02]: It really kicked off with our album listening party, that was me and VB, but I don't want to get into that until it's time for Taylor talk.

[SPEAKER_02]: So Lord concert was on Friday.

[SPEAKER_02]: Guys.

[SPEAKER_02]: I made prolonged icon tact with Ella.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know it was crazy, but I actually feel really bad and really guilty and like a really bad sister that you weren't right on the front for that moment.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I was still pretty much right there and I honestly like there were times when she was about to make eye contact with me and the people around me and I honestly like could I look to why.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I actually, I was like, oh my god, it's like, oh my goodness.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell ya.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's intense.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's what I'm saying.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's like the most intense person on the face of the earth.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's another funny thing about her parents dog is like, snoop.

[SPEAKER_01]: know that like there's more friction between his fur and a carpet than there is between his fur and the whole road.

[SPEAKER_01]: He slides all around trying to get that spot but like he's trying to hit his ears and he will just wriggle around on the hardwood floor and he like slips and sides all over the road.

[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, uh, the concert was so good.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was literally so good and it's before we into the concert.

[SPEAKER_02]: We went to the spa and we did a shot ski.

[SPEAKER_02]: I never done one before.

[SPEAKER_02]: Me neither.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was exactly a cinematic as it looks.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and you're the one I thought.

[SPEAKER_02]: I thought there would be like, [SPEAKER_02]: because you have to be on everyone else's got exactly and they were but the shots were good and they were the perfect size like small enough that it was like imagine they come out and it's like their monstrous shots like Mario's or AC shots like I know if it's up I can't do it no I'm sorry and the college kids are gonna hate this one can we stop serving shots in a pint glass like I'm sorry essentially serving them like this is a full mixed drink and it's like great but everyone around me is gonna treat like a shot and like [SPEAKER_02]: I, it's, and you need, you need like, it needs to go down in one sip, or it's not getting finished properly for a while.

[SPEAKER_02]: And even if it does go down in one sip, I'm going to throw up, especially if I'm drinking like a full leader of liquid.

[SPEAKER_02]: Which is what it feels like wasn't really shot.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just, I think it's crazy, but these ones are perfect.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's not even about like, I'm not even talking like binge drinking's a problem.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like of course.

[SPEAKER_02]: What I'm really saying is just like, that's, that's I'm a judge for me, and it's like, pressure.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to make your friends, I want to do shots.

[SPEAKER_01]: When people order shots and then that's what we all get back.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, okay, so I was like down when I thought it was going to be like a little thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: Do you want to do a shot?

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Cause in your mind, it's a shot glass.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then you're like, well, wait, where are we?

[SPEAKER_02]: Is that am I going to get more of an altering a shot?

[SPEAKER_02]: Cause if it's, and what are we doing?

[SPEAKER_02]: Cause if we're doing, if you're going to ask me to do a shot to Kila, and it comes out.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know it actually, it's a gag.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's this for reaction.

[SPEAKER_01]: And when they come out in those, those, well, first of all, I feel like when we went to Belvedere's.

[SPEAKER_01]: in, says like I remember, don't worry, don't worry, I'm not saying.

[SPEAKER_01]: We went there with that place in, no, you know what you're talking about.

[SPEAKER_01]: And those shots, like, absolutely wrecked me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was terrible because they came in like dixie cups.

[SPEAKER_01]: But then I also hate when they're in those like thick, short glasses, like you would get, like that's what I'm talking about, like a cocktail.

[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like a rock.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like glass almost.

[SPEAKER_02]: Or you, you know, but both sands, the rocks.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, of course, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, why is it warm?

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, but we did a shot skiing.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was like the appropriate amount of shot for me to do and then of course I had a shot picture of course Which is also the appropriate amount of shot and I didn't really get hungover, but my dad lose my voice [SPEAKER_02]: But then we're there, and front of the Pod Zoya box in, and we have this big moment, and then we find out you guys, which is another road warrior shout out Megan, who is sitting at that table, who was going to the ghost tour that we did on Saturday night.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was just fate.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was Kismit.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was Kismit.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was one of my mates.

[SPEAKER_02]: Remember when it marks until her swiff?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and then it was so fun, and of course, we'll talk about the ghost tour, but back to Lord.

[SPEAKER_02]: Our whole thing was kind of like just dropping stuff that night.

[SPEAKER_02]: I dropped multiple things.

[SPEAKER_02]: At one point, okay, this was horrible.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I dropped my phone.

[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of, well, I kind of flung my phone into the crowd at one point.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I just, I don't know why.

[SPEAKER_02]: And suddenly they all like it out there.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, these really good Samaritan.

[SPEAKER_02]: They were so nice.

[SPEAKER_02]: But they did get out their flashlights and start looking for it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, I honestly don't deserve to have my phone back.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, just let it go.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, point was this again?

[SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think Laura was on yet.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so either.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I mentioned it.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was dark though.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it was um, dropping you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I mentioned it last night when we were with the road warriors and some who were at the lower cons were like, oh yeah, no, I think we saw you in the audience and we saw that happen.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, so it was not as discreet as I was, I was surely nobody, this was in a moment in anyone's life, but it actually was.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then Phoebe, try the little beer.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, by the way, that's not the only thing Caroline dropped.

[SPEAKER_01]: What else did I drop?

[SPEAKER_01]: One of your surf sites.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, but it was empty.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, in that, okay, confession, it wasn't a drop.

[SPEAKER_02]: I put the empty candle and I try to step on it and crunch it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I was partially successful at Dick Crunch, but now as I just did that, I was like, I'm wearing like four inch platform dock martens.

[SPEAKER_02]: What do you mean?

[SPEAKER_02]: You're not just immediately crumbling under my foot.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then I, and when I went to go step up, I kind of kicked it and I kind of like skidded about it and then I had to be like, sorry.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, guys, that was me.

[SPEAKER_02]: But, but the phone was like worse, but, but neither were us bad as you're a big mama.

[SPEAKER_02]: He becomes back with a cold aspirin.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's like solar power songs.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm out.

[SPEAKER_02]: Solar oceanic feeling.

[SPEAKER_02]: See you in 10 minutes.

[SPEAKER_02]: I wish you would do the bathroom when I got another beer, which I do to say it's just really appreciate Lord putting those songs back to back because here's the deal.

[SPEAKER_02]: She knew.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love a self-aware community.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love ocean of feeling yeah, I love this the Lyric where she says the thing about the skaters the Yeah, I love that I love that but I was just like if I'm gonna miss anything to I had to go to the bathroom Yeah, and no one's no one's moshing during oceanic feeling.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm ready to go [SPEAKER_02]: do that yeah yeah that was the time it was and I think that she knew that it almost was giving the vibe like look we're solar power girlies like I and I know Bobby was like how does he was like I don't believe you and then I was like no I swear to God like I would not have gone to the door I like solar power but I think we can all admit that's not like our Lord like that's not our Lord and Savior you know that's not [SPEAKER_02]: who why I fell in love with the word, I guess.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like, similarly to a tailor, there might be albums that you're like, look, this might not be why I fell in love with you, but I see the artistry.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm following you, you followed your passion and I'm happy for you.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you wanted to do something.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad you did it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm also glad you know.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's just not how you were.

[SPEAKER_02]: you know, and like it was who you were, but it's not right.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so anyway, I just thought it was a very kind thing to do to not space those out because it's perfect.

[SPEAKER_02]: Putting them back to back, it was like here's your 15 minute break.

[SPEAKER_01]: Especially because Ocean, if you went into the long song, it should be entirely back.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then she did Big Star.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because I fully went to the bathroom.

[SPEAKER_01]: We I waited in line for the bathroom.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we didn't in line to get a drink and I came back Easy that there was a line also because that means every other same fucking idea Like of course, they did, but again, she knew that and I came back as soon as she started talking to but as literally I am Standing with everyone as soon as the courts the liability started.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_01]: Who liability did fully got me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see me at all?

[SPEAKER_01]: No [SPEAKER_01]: And I put my hands up with my beer and I wasn't holding it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes, you know, I forgot that this was during the talking part of liability.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you shit.

[SPEAKER_01]: When she was, I actually just worse.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a good happen.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it was before you started, because I remember being like recovered when she started talking about the bridges and everything.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So this all happened pretty quickly in the moment.

[SPEAKER_01]: It felt like an interesting work was where in the moment it felt like I was truly like this can not be over soon enough.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but in retrospect, I'm like, I like the I saw on TikTok or speech before libel and he and I was like No, I remember hearing it that's what I'm saying.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's how quick it was that I was back up and standing with my beer [SPEAKER_01]: to hear the rest of the speech.

[SPEAKER_02]: So fresh beer.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was like ice cold and I knew it was ice cold because I could feel it on my body when it when she dropped it and it's filled it.

[SPEAKER_02]: But she's still had God bless a tall boy.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's still had like, that's a firm.

[SPEAKER_01]: But that's like how full I had.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can't take it off.

[SPEAKER_01]: I raised my hand up.

[SPEAKER_01]: And look at Bobby and we were like having this moment of excitement and he put his hands up again with this She's got your to go.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, you are totally blaming me.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm not you are.

[SPEAKER_02]: I am not Bobby if you're listening.

[SPEAKER_01]: I am not if you blamed.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just asking if he feels lame.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm not blaming him [SPEAKER_01]: I am explaining how this happened because it's not like I threw my hand up in the air So like I threw myself in the hands up in the air It's not like I threw my cellular device and in the water like I did that's not what I did I put my hands up and I wasn't expecting to have be having a physical moment [SPEAKER_01]: He said you can have a physical moment of contact in my hands the way that I did and I should have been holding onto the drink harder because Bobby went to go like we went to like go kind of hold hands up in the air.

[SPEAKER_01]: but we both did it was like a bit too much force and it knocked the drink out of my hand.

[SPEAKER_01]: Can it knock the wind out of me?

[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, this can't be out of my hand.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's like a full puddle on the floor.

[SPEAKER_02]: Luckily.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I honestly was good.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was it was such a big and slightly deep puddle that it never actually got sticky.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, because it never actually got started to get dry at all.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, at one point, there is a massive confetti moment, which there is a full video of me having the confetti fall.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, looking at the confetti going, no way.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because I believe she hand wrote on every single one.

[SPEAKER_01]: And like, guys, we'll post the pics.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, when you see the sheer amount, there was a never been to the concert where there was that money in my life.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it was so much confetti.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, that's amazing.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I literally in the video, I'm like, no way.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and like I still leaving.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I think she had wrote these.

[SPEAKER_02]: She was like, yeah, and then she scanned them, but anyway, but then we sort of, there was so much that we started like trying to like shove it into the portal and trying to stop it up.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it actually just made it look worse.

[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, like I was, instead of some unless I was like, it was sort of like one toilet paper gets wet.

[SPEAKER_02]: And just like, so it's clumping around.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's sort of like when you live on Kenmont Avenue and Mount Love it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's Halloween time and kind of paper is covering the trees and that [SPEAKER_02]: sort of like that said get down if you're pushing the envelope get down he can be up there unless you don't want them up there.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, mom did you hear that because I'm the gray couch because just so you know I'm in the gray couch and fee we just said you can be up there as long as Caroline's okay with it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, guess what Caroline's that because mom's on Caroline knows mom knows anyway [SPEAKER_02]: Um, liability got me good.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was like full-weeping and I was like a Phoebe can't see this because if she does, she'll be mean or she'll make fun of me or she'll take a picture.

[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't do any of them because I was so mortified by myself.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right, you know what, I love that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that is guys and that is an example of anxiety, is selfish.

[SPEAKER_02]: Neither we are both like, oh my god, everyone's looking at us.

[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's thinking about us.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what neither of us notice the other because we were around in our style.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing is is that crying didn't affect the circle of people around you.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, my blender.

[SPEAKER_02]: But the anxiety and me believe that it would.

[SPEAKER_02]: in liability be what was planning is quite poetic oh god it is just so good we were talking about like when you're the thing that they're getting ready for the lower concert and we're like trying to get pumped we're like okay we should be listening to Lord and like I do feel like I have the lyrics to like all of your heroin and melodrama tattooed on my bones like I feel like I could not forget them if I wanted to [SPEAKER_02]: But then you've got solar power, you know, you've got certain songs on a virgin that you got to get with, whatever.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we just could not listen to it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we got ready.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, I'm sorry, when you press shuffle and then fucking liabilities starts playing.

[SPEAKER_02]: It really is a part of it.

[SPEAKER_02]: It kills the mood a bit.

[SPEAKER_02]: It kind of, kind of, and there's the way that it starts to play.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's like a moment.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like silent.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's really hot, me crying in a taxi.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, oh God, you know, it's that feeling, so.

[SPEAKER_01]: What was one song she didn't play [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, um, I mean, I only thought about that because in my brain, I was like, well, I mean, she had played that and then I didn't want to say that and you'd be like, she did.

[SPEAKER_01]: What did you wish for?

[SPEAKER_01]: Hard feelings.

[SPEAKER_01]: My favorite lords on the wall.

[SPEAKER_01]: She did not play it, but it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know I just shocked.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, but it also, and also I got, I can rely on my memory in that way.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, well, obviously, would have loved, um, writer in the dark.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I would have loved sort of either or.

[SPEAKER_02]: I would have loved Gloria and Gore.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and Phoebe to think we are getting glory and she goes, oh my god, she's not playing glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and glory and [SPEAKER_02]: Then it starts, and I'm like, this is uncomfortable.

[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to work it like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's the but the pose you gave me.

[SPEAKER_01]: You can kind of just work it here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, don't, you don't have to work it right here.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're crazy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that was for the dog.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not me.

[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, what was I saying?

[SPEAKER_02]: I would have loved writer in the dark.

[SPEAKER_02]: I also would have loved a homemade dynamite.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to surprise that didn't make it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I guess she's been swapping out liability and writer in the dark at the door.

[SPEAKER_01]: OK, not to be rude.

[SPEAKER_01]: That would kind of suck if you got writer in the dark.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't know what to mean.

[SPEAKER_01]: I look.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love writer in the dark, but all I'm saying is like, [SPEAKER_02]: it's not as big of a song yeah and I think that like it but like not imagine scream singing I love you too you know I agree but it would I just think most more the majority of people would rather hold it down here would rather oh my god I'm being screaming I'm doing this recording session and it's like okay you're not my boss [SPEAKER_01]: But I am the audio engineer.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just think the majority of people would prefer liability on the set list.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're just to add to think the majority of people would prefer if you held your mic down here.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Come up.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it will prefer if you put yours up for your mouth because I can't even eat your sound like you're in a library when we record.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm telling you.

[SPEAKER_01]: When I listen, I sound like you're in the bathroom and mom and dad are asleep and you're in the neary.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have been looking at the sound waves and I'm like, my mind looks good and yours look not.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yours looks fine.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because I just turned my down because I'm so loud when I know what ever you say, I ever you say.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just have a degree.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_02]: Ew, what?

[SPEAKER_02]: Do you guys hear this?

[SPEAKER_02]: She's being like, actually, a bully.

[SPEAKER_02]: your move.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, Lord was great.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then we were like right online that she walks through in the concert.

[SPEAKER_02]: And [SPEAKER_02]: She didn't, we didn't hold hands or anything.

[SPEAKER_02]: But she's okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: But while my hands were sweaty and it's probably for the best, but we didn't make eye contact for like, I'm not getting you like four seconds.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I've been scouring TikTok trying to find a video from the vantage point where someone can like see me.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like I can confirm that actually happened because I like Loki was like, did I imagine that?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Why do you feel like when you're that close to her, it feels like that record was like, I was like, I feel like we're 10 inches away from each other, but like maybe we weren't.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, no.

[SPEAKER_02]: I found one video where you can really just see my sleeve.

[SPEAKER_02]: Just my sleeve, but you can see how close I am to her.

[SPEAKER_02]: She stopped right and front of us to like, oh my God.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then her encore being ribs and like she, she had this like, [SPEAKER_02]: It was like a projection veil laser kind of thing that went over the pit, and like it felt like the ceiling was like that close down to us, and like we were all in the super intimate space with her, and it was so special in the baby, and I had like a full sister moment to ribs, because you're the only friend I need sharing about like little kids, will record the podcast some off and door ribs get tired, and it will never be enough.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of like that and it wasn't one side it is the lyric wait and you said to me last night are at the concert you're the greatest sister moment I was like I know my gosh like if you've ever once had a sister moment you was like me you know what I am so the more sappy one little woman is my favorite movie of all time okay but you don't bring that energy on me ever I'm like I don't know weird feedback out if I like give her a hug too long [SPEAKER_01]: But it was the last time you gave me a hug.

[SPEAKER_01]: I gave you a hug every time I want to.

[SPEAKER_01]: Look.

[SPEAKER_01]: People that's about example because I don't love the cause.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because I do love the cause.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, OK, I'm not saying.

[SPEAKER_01]: Remove this situation more apply and history right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the concept of someone being like, whom is that?

[SPEAKER_01]: When it was last few months, we knew I would keep every time I went to them, there'd be no hugs.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why hug you every time I want them?

[SPEAKER_02]: You guys can use that if you want.

[SPEAKER_02]: If like some weirdo, if you don't weirdo for some reason.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know how there's always like that one boy in school.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, can I have a hug?

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, no, you're smoking cigarettes on smoke or scorner.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you smell bad.

[SPEAKER_02]: No.

[SPEAKER_02]: You can just be like, I will hug you when I want.

[SPEAKER_02]: I promise that we will hug every time that I want to.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you say something.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it works.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it works.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it works.

[SPEAKER_02]: Or are you just saying?

[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like you were saying something else, I kind of go.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, we're gonna skip the Taylor movie and go to the ghost tour because we're gonna spend all the time on Taylor, but the ghost tour you guys, okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: No words.

[SPEAKER_02]: No words.

[SPEAKER_02]: We have to shout out.

[SPEAKER_02]: We have to shout out Emma, Hannah, Jen, Daniel, Megan, like, Maddie, we got to shout out Francesca.

[SPEAKER_02]: Francesca, Kelly, Kelly, the roadwriters, Andrew was locked in.

[SPEAKER_02]: Andrew was locked in.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I also got a text from someone this morning that was like, I didn't know if my kids were like really paying attention to them this morning.

[SPEAKER_02]: I came downstairs to my son and they came to the end and leave you telling the stories of verbatim.

[SPEAKER_01]: They were so funny.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like little boy who came.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you knew them.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I know, yeah, I know them, um, but the their mother was the playwright for the play in a day that I was in, and but I know her out of that too.

[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, um, it was a fucking like 33 person goes to her for reference for the past few weeks I've been doing it.

[SPEAKER_02]: 10 person goes to us but also for reference know that dormant PA does not have sidewalks built for groups of 30 long groups of three like they don't have sidewalks that they're like then they're like single file sidewalks basically and hills galore and hills galore but we made it work and I really do like I'm really into my new like it's a Halloween Hawker a lot.

[SPEAKER_02]: like it does feel like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like you got your steps in.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's a great little like evening activity.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's just something different.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like everyone picks apples, everyone goes to the pumpkin patch.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like everyone goes and has cider and like whatever, but it's like you could you do your hunt at house, which is like no thank you to that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I want to be scared in the way that's like, is there something with me rather than I'm being chased at the fucking chainsaw?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like I don't feel like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.

[SPEAKER_02]: I want to feel like [SPEAKER_02]: Is someone going to change you know what I mean like I'm going to wonder right.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to wonder a little bit more and that's what it goes for us for me Did you enjoy the stories did you enjoy the tour?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did I Listen, okay, what's your favorite story?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean be weird if I had a favorite Let it Yeah, I don't like that any of these things happen.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but I have like some favorite ghost stories now that I know so many I think [SPEAKER_02]: book store.

[SPEAKER_02]: That one's brutal.

[SPEAKER_02]: That one is like crazy because it happened in 2001.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know I'm like why are they allowed to tell them?

[SPEAKER_02]: I know there are some stories that it's like and this was not long enough ago for me to feel like the bodies are cold like it's just but it was cool some people got some orbs in their photos and truly it was a road where you're meet up like I can't like people you guys travel here which is bonkers I hope I fucking hope I was worth it.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's my favorite phone, I'm like, what if they're like so next time, let's just wait for her to come Don't you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like some people, um, what did the slune and I want to know how it went?

[SPEAKER_02]: I yeah, we're waiting for you like where you like huh, I know I know where you like and this and this is The so-so-so yeah, it was it was so fun though guys and honestly I really prefer the bigger group I think I'm less awkward with the big group [SPEAKER_02]: That's fair.

[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like you probably feel pressured to connect more.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a 10 people.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a single file line around me and it's like, it doesn't feel like acting as much as it is like, okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let me tell you guys a story like one on one, but when it's like everyone.

[SPEAKER_02]: And because I was like so nervous as my first time doing Dormont.

[SPEAKER_02]: So like, I'm not familiar with the stories.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't like the way that I know the other ones better.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought I was going to freak out with the [SPEAKER_02]: big group and with road warriors being there.

[SPEAKER_02]: I thought I was going to throw up.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, okay, maybe I'm not built for this.

[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I've thought my whole life I'm built for this and maybe I'm not.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Caroline was so nervous.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was driving this.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was so nervous.

[SPEAKER_02]: And the whole time, but it was amazing.

[SPEAKER_02]: We hung out after.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was just like gorgeous average up in their merch.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was so fun.

[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, what dreams are made of.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, thank you guys.

[SPEAKER_01]: People who are there, like, not [SPEAKER_01]: We're just everywhere.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're just everywhere.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[SPEAKER_02]: What is going on with that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What is going on with that [SPEAKER_01]: I like it a lot.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this isn't my favorite Taylor.

[SPEAKER_01]: So my favorite Taylor or album, it's also like, it's not always my favorite Taylor writing style, personally.

[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't mean it's bad.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not like when I go pick up Taylor.

[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't really the one that I typically go for, especially when it's an entire album of that.

[SPEAKER_01]: That being said, I really do like it, of course.

[SPEAKER_01]: She could make something terrible.

[SPEAKER_02]: But but I hate saying that because it's like this isn't terrible.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's so you guys know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah I think it will take a segment like I just saw a tweet a quote tweet of like someone had tweeted the lyrics to the bridge of guilty of sin and some on quote tweeted it and was like [SPEAKER_01]: Do you guys remember how you all thought about this last year?

[SPEAKER_02]: You guys remember how you thought about we smoked and you smoked the eight, seven bars of chocolate.

[SPEAKER_02]: We declared Charlie Puth should be a bigger artist.

[SPEAKER_01]: That one is still not like hitting for me.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I just want you guys to know these were lyrics that came out on the tortured poets department that you were like, this is this is peak.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is no, no, no, no, I'm saying something [SPEAKER_02]: different.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying you're saying that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, people are talking about her writing in a positive way as they're like, this is so much worse.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, okay, that's the last album.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is not how they were talking about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: On the last album, like, people [SPEAKER_02]: The vitrials she got for tortured poets, but then I got some saying and comparison like now they're like well, where's this and it's like yeah, you guys didn't even like it when you got at the first time Yeah, you didn't like it then like and also I'm sorry, but this has always been part of her like and it's part of what we love about her It's like what she said when she accepted that songwriter of the decade or whatever a word where she was like I kind of write with three different pens.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and this is glitter gel pens.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's just [SPEAKER_02]: And it's okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't have to be for you.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know so many people like, and it's funny because like Gibson's a great example of this.

[SPEAKER_02]: She came in to Taylor on folklore and evermore, you know, and that was like, I feel like it was such a great entry point for people who were so like kind of anti girly pop vibes with her.

[SPEAKER_02]: this comes out and it's like, oh my god, this feels like an indie full cracker.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're hearing the lyrics that we've been hearing.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a great exactly and it's, it's so, you know, all these things and then they were long for the ride a little bit and it's like, but this, [SPEAKER_01]: you have like she contains multitudes and you know that was what happened at when she she went from folklore to evermore and then to midnight and a lot of the people who had kind of gotten on board for yeah the two COVID albums were like hmm I know I don't really like this and like well what if it sounded like Erin doesner did the whole thing right it doesn't sound like that but like I've with the exception of I don't know like vigilante [SPEAKER_01]: I just think like if if maroon or question were put over big red machine tracks you guys would be like in this it is like oh I mean I feel like if if those two songs were just even on either folklore evermore is album this that those the tracks on folklore and evermore a lot of them that's what I think is so cool about it those were like [SPEAKER_01]: things that Aaron does ner and I think born of eras and big red and she make them like those retracts they wrote for that and then he would just like send it to Taylor.

[SPEAKER_01]: Wow and she would write over it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like what I'll say I think is amazing is or that we have to consider is that she's it's not just her sound that we're hearing like it's we're hearing what Taylor's bringing to the table paired with what Max Martin's bringing to the table and then together what that is like so every out like when she's working with different people like they're going to sound a little bit different I understand people are like what Jackie Ants and I've could have done this but he didn't so like this is the result and you guys probably would [SPEAKER_01]: Every time she releases something of Jack Antonoff, you're like, I'm tired of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm tired of Jack Antonoff and it's like, okay, it's back to the matter as people are never really going to be happy.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I keep thinking to myself, like, does Taylor, she's seeing people are saying, and then I saw someone say that like, she explained and something that her team, like she doesn't have any of her apps or anything, but her team will send her things they think she'd like to see.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then that's how she decides what to interact with.

[SPEAKER_01]: So concept of someone seen Brett Bites and Jake Shane's reaction and them sending it to Taylor and then Taylor deciding to let you know like so I It also makes me think that [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't know, she might never see these opinions and like for her, this album will be what it actually is, which is like the streams, which is the reviews that she cares about.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's gonna be things like that, and she's not gonna see it as like this flop album, I hope.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like I think about the difference between her relationship to social media and Ariana, or like Ariana could see what everybody was saying about positions.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like, and how unhappy everybody was.

[SPEAKER_01]: Probably something Taylor learned along the way.

[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, totally.

[SPEAKER_01]: And also, [SPEAKER_01]: I do remember how we all felt after lover, and it's like that was a lot of the same kind of writing style that we're seeing in this album.

[SPEAKER_01]: A hundred percent people did not like it initially, and there are some songs like I know me was lead single and like that's what people point to the most, but there were other things that people were on.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so I was like, you don't, you don't think you just care about them, you can just like choose what you want to listen to.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see everything.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like you do not have to like every single song and every album you don't like to have to like every song by Taylor Swift.

[SPEAKER_02]: I personally really like this album.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's like so fun to listen to.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's sort of just like.

[SPEAKER_02]: What I want, but I kind of realized about my relationship with New Taylor albums is I don't think I have any expectations going into it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I really, because I think that I understand and predict that she's going to bring something different to every album.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like, she's in that stage now where she is doing different things, she's putting on different hats, similarly like look at Sabrina Carbender's album this year and people were like, oh, I don't like it because it's conceptual and it's all this one sound and it's whatever and it's like, okay, you don't have that's my biggest I decided before it was my biggest gripe when people say, [SPEAKER_01]: When people in that to me, it's indicator of like, you don't actually know how to explain why you don't like it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you just say everything sounds the same.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, but that isn't album.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what's the point of an album.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's not, you guys would probably be very playlist of something exactly, you know, what I mean, like it's supposed to, they're telling a story.

[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of early artists or artists who are really trying to break through are going to make albums that feel more like you're you're getting ready playlists or you're like the playlists of your life.

[SPEAKER_02]: From whatever it is that like has the has all those different kind of things something for everybody because they're hoping that something sticks like then so you're going to see that.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of what short and sweet was I felt a hundred percent agree with you.

[SPEAKER_01]: But then you look at like a tape McCray and [SPEAKER_02]: It's the same exactly and I don't see you guys saying no, I'm her and guess what her next album is also going to say that and her next one probably will too and you as you're to get bored yeah exactly and then you know if she tries something I hope that you have more grace for like you know people trying new things to say relevant and an ever changing and quickly changing and it's not the same relevant to us it's it would get it's going to get boring for them to just remake the same record which is like Taylor I think [SPEAKER_01]: Taylor has learned that and she hasn't like in COVID was a perfect example that she was doing it before or obviously when she went from country to pop music but she was trying something new and everyone loved it when she did it and now she's just she's just doing different things right no exactly i hundred percent agree and honestly i don't feel like [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think you were talking about Sabrina, but I don't feel like every song on this album sounds the same to you.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like I don't think not.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't think that's a fair sense of people are putting out there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's exactly my point.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like you guys either you just don't want to like the album.

[SPEAKER_01]: which for whatever reason or you don't like it and you aren't having a thought pulling off.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, internal conversation to understand what you don't like about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then you just feel the need to articulate your opinion to everybody on the air.

[SPEAKER_01]: Really quickly.

[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, let's Matt Rodgers always says it, Carolina always just want to bring [SPEAKER_01]: Just let it breathe first.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you don't have to tell everybody in the world or on your follower list exactly what you think about everything that happens as it happens.

[SPEAKER_02]: Music, news, like anything.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like you just don't have to.

[SPEAKER_02]: You can take a second to develop and educate it, fully rounded opinion that has taken some kind of marinade.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you don't like Taylor Swift and you're not a music critic, you don't have to listen.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then you don't have to upload your think piece of stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wanted to talk about that.

[SPEAKER_01]: We like always as a society.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's like you have to have an opinion on every single thing that has ever happened.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's [SPEAKER_01]: It's, that's what's creating this effect online where people are, it's all these half baked opinions, and everybody needs to get their two cents in.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, it would, we would have much more compelling stuff on the internet if you cared about what you actually cared about and spoke about what you actually cared about.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just like just like what you like and let people like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And be good at what you're good at, because you're not going to be, it's a jack of all trades master of none.

[SPEAKER_01]: Bill and my drop journey in Georgia and solo and doing your solo now I've been having dreams.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let's go through the tracks.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go through them and discuss our thoughts.

[SPEAKER_02]: So starting with the fate of Ophelia, I fucking love it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, in the music video, I can't wait until I can watch it again and again and again at home.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was so glad in the movie if you haven't seen it, she plays it at the beginning and then she goes and plays it at the end and I was as after she played it the first time I was like wait I want to watch it again like play it again and I kept wondering the whole time if she would come back to it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was so glad she did because she talks about the making of the video throughout and one thing I thought was so cool she brings back all the eras tour dancers and a lot of the crew to be part of this video like these are the things about her that it's like love her hate her like that's [SPEAKER_02]: an incredible gift to give these people and to see how excited they all were to when she walked in the room like it doesn't feel like it's just acting for them like it really does look like her they wouldn't I mean imagine to get all of those people back for those shoot dates the logistics the nightmare that probably was and all of those people wanted to be there enough to make that work like it doesn't matter if you're the biggest pops are in the world if you're stuck to fucking work with they would not have moved heaven and earth to be there for that so I [SPEAKER_02]: One thing I thought was crazy too is like, in my mind, I was like, oh my god, all the dancers like here are the song.

[SPEAKER_02]: The fact that none of them heard the song and they were doing the choreography to clicks is insane.

[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't do it, and you know, she's had this.

[SPEAKER_02]: The choreographer, Mandy Moore, was like, and you know, we're like super secret, so they have not heard it.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're just dancing at the class.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I miss that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Isn't that insane?

[SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy.

[SPEAKER_02]: And imagine, it just makes me think so much deeper rather talent, too, like the fact that they're able to and be with the moves as so much court, like art and like whether or not the song sounds like.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the song sounds like.

[SPEAKER_01]: And also they don't have like the vocal cues.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And there are, I mean, there were parts where Taylor was like singing some of it, but still, like, I just thought that was so neat.

[SPEAKER_02]: And just the way she thinks about everything [SPEAKER_02]: direct herself and you know okay I think this take was perfect but can we do one more so I can be better.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Just watching her work it's like a master class and just like how to be like honestly it really feels like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway this song the fate of Ophelia.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love the course.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm obsessed with the keep it 100 on the hand.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's my favorite part of the song.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think for sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: I like I think pledge allegiance to your hands, your team, your vibes.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know people don't like it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love that line.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know me too.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's so good.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's a football at that moment too.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm wondering I was saying to Phoebe, I wonder if they had gotten engaged before the movie if she would have overtly talked about him more because she [SPEAKER_02]: didn't ever say his name, but there was like a picture of him in the back.

[SPEAKER_02]: And there were moments where she talked about being in love, but I was like 87 on the door.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like things like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I really wanted to hear her really talk about it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I wonder if they would have already been engaged at that point if she would have.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, maybe, you know, because she would maybe wasn't going to marry their brands like that without it.

[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, that line I just think is so [SPEAKER_02]: Good and like I'm sorry Travis Kelsey like out of human being gives vibes as just like like he's like He's someone who like I feel like uses that word frequently.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's always looking for high vibes like just talking like that and so I think one other thing that people don't recognize like she's not just using her own language Right, she's using the language of the people she's singing about the people she's singing too [SPEAKER_02]: as I also think and canceled when she says, did you grow lost to a close to the sun?

[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a play on like, everyone makes fun of you for being the millennial girl boss.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, uh, well, you know, I get it, like, it happens.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that was intentional.

[SPEAKER_02]: And people were like, oh, no, no, no, no, use the word girl boss in this song.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I think that was the point.

[SPEAKER_01]: I sort of, I understand what you're saying.

[SPEAKER_01]: I still don't love it.

[SPEAKER_01]: But, um, I was glad we got that song.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, me too.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, if you don't feel like I'm moving on, um, Elizabeth Taylor, that's probably my second favorite I'm obsessed with the be my and why I love it, I know it's so good, but at first when we were listening to it, we heard Elizabeth Taylor, we were like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no [SPEAKER_02]: But once I heard the whole song, I didn't really care that that's how it opened.

[SPEAKER_01]: That song is Meta Rogers.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it just is.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's Taylor Swift.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's Matt Rogers and I can't wait to hear him talk about it this morning too.

[SPEAKER_02]: He'd be better and on.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know Meta Rogers loves it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how I think it feels.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think that I could honestly see and like no offense, but I could see our conversation or our discourse on it feeling similar to theirs.

[SPEAKER_02]: In terms of vibe, might feel more Matt about it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you might feel more relevant.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't, I, I think you're less inclined to like get into cheesy happy Taylor sometimes, which is okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's true.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think sometimes I just, [SPEAKER_01]: I know the people in my circle and I am always thinking ahead of, you've got to get rid of that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you know where you can do that is actually in a therapy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's not, it's not mean to tell somebody.

[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't mean it in a way of like in a psychoanalytical way.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean more so like, I know that I'm gonna have to explain why these lyrics are actually deeper than you think they are, but also you don't.

[SPEAKER_02]: you know exactly what I mean I know I do know I believe I have friends I won't even say her name and it drives me fucking nuts but at the same time like hey this is not a time or space for a negativeity thank you I don't hear it don't talk about it I did text in that I said I don't want to hear about it good [SPEAKER_02]: And like, I don't want to hear her.

[SPEAKER_02]: Just like, it's what I keep telling myself about the Charlie thing, which of course we will get to, is like Taylor has made it very clear.

[SPEAKER_02]: She does not give a fuck if these people think she's weird or embarrassing.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, she even says it on the top.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't just say, okay, okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's on a different plane than I just like, I love Charlie, even a huge Charlie fan, obviously curling and I adore.

[SPEAKER_01]: Basically everything.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's ever done.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: But like if I were to be a server at a restaurant where if I were to have to pick who my friends group would be that I would go out to eat with Yeah, it probably wouldn't be the people digging their bare hand into a plate of spaghetti and like mirroring it on each other Yeah, and then maybe smoking sigs in the restaurant Maybe it must for me to pick up I would probably rather have the person who's going to go to TGI Friday Is being incredibly polite and leave a 1200 dollar to exactly so that the total can be 13 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, the person, the person that pays a check before the check hits the mug on the grain.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, exactly, you know, I think the same and, okay, we'll get there.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I do love Elizabeth Taylor, and I think I'd cry my eyes violet Elizabeth Taylor does make sense.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, but I just, now that I've heard it, I love it.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I am like, when you haven't heard it and you don't know how good this song is when it does start with Elizabeth Taylor, like, that it's like, We were, we were unsure.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was unsure.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, Opalate.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think what's funny is Opalate is still in my brain, so my brain every time someone says Opalate.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sean and Brett, like, Opalate.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a brother's game run so no need to call us in now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well this is not now.

[SPEAKER_01]: No.

[SPEAKER_01]: No.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right now.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's what Travis says.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, all right, all right, and that's about the McConaughey sauce.

[SPEAKER_02]: We believe that was one of my favorite parts of the day drinking.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, we didn't invite you whenever like you do a great event.

[SPEAKER_01]: We got a hand phone because all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all [SPEAKER_02]: I think he won.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, I thought he was joking either way.

[SPEAKER_02]: hilarious.

[SPEAKER_02]: Funny if he was joking more of he was being serious, honestly.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so, oh, polite for me.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy because it is my friend's favorite track on the song and on the album.

[SPEAKER_02]: Can you play just a little bit of it?

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, okay, it sounds for some reason like hair spare grease to me.

[SPEAKER_01]: I agree, and I also that's the one that has the chorus that sounds your Christmas song.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it really does.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a bridge that sounds your Christmas song.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it does.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I do love the like idea, though, that like, and I know she said this, but I am proud of myself, because I did realize it's all we are sitting and listening to at the first time that, oh, boy, because one time was going to a crystal shop and they're like, you know, this is like a fake crystal like it's man made.

[SPEAKER_02]: Seeing is about about just making your own happiness and to realize that you're seeing it about her and Travis, like both having to do that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then Oble being his birthstone, like in the production of as long as fabulous.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it takes me to a place of musical theater in a way that like, I'm just not reaching for her first on the album.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, totally fair.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think [SPEAKER_02]: To me it is the most forgettable sounding yeah, I have to I had to draw my memory But it's yeah, that's interesting that that you feel like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know maybe because my friends are like It's they're like that is obviously the hit single on the like that's what they're saying and it's like But I don't think again Things I love about Taylor is like I can feel completely differently still like the song But like we can experience the album these different ways.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, father figure.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh Did you love [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I'm obsessed with I protect the family I like that I don't I leave it with me Also instead of leave it to me.

[SPEAKER_02]: I like the leave it with me like I'll take care of it People must have thought about it obviously Who it could be about it's obvious at home a story of like a mentor mentee kind of situation [SPEAKER_02]: I saw some people talking shit on it saying that like, it's not cool Taylor to like, be exploiting young talent and you're saying that you relate to both sides of this, like, how could you?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's like, okay, she was the prodigy for so long and now she's in a position where she doesn't have to be.

[SPEAKER_01]: And she, when you, that first time you have that power where you can now be the father figure.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm sure now she's learned like that's not how my relationship with Sabrina is going to be right exactly But the first time she probably had a lot of people around her saying like You know now you can do this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so like I'm not the same time.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like also sorry I don't want artists to have to sanitize right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: There are feelings in their life Well, you know Charlie to do it.

[SPEAKER_01]: So why are we dealing with what to do it?

[SPEAKER_01]: What's even beyond that?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like this idea that everything that she has to say has to make her see, she can't have any flaws.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know.

[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, she famously loves to sing about how she is deeply flawed.

[SPEAKER_02]: And she actually puts herself, like, hold yourself to the flame and songs a lot.

[SPEAKER_02]: Think about like, anti-hero.

[SPEAKER_02]: Did you see my covert, when did she say it?

[SPEAKER_02]: Did you see my altruism?

[SPEAKER_02]: No, my covert narcissism and disguises altruism, like some kind of congresswoman.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's like to put that out about yourself.

[SPEAKER_01]: Especially when that's kind of something people say about it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know, like, and she's okay with you misunderstanding whatever she says.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like you know what, it's okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why people like her.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why people really like Charlie because the album was so relatable.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's talking about these things that people don't want to admit about themselves.

[SPEAKER_02]: But that's what art is mentioned during our both doing this.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like they're just doing it in different ways.

[SPEAKER_02]: And frankly, Taylor's been doing it on a grander scale for longer than Charlie.

[SPEAKER_02]: So we have so much more to look at or people are just looking [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but I also think Taylor said many times she put put on characters in her songs.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I was going to say.

[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't mean she's not allowed to.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's not allowed to.

[SPEAKER_01]: And also she's pulling from people that did this stuff in her life.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's just putting herself in there.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's repeating the chorus and changing the pronoun.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's pretty much all or the proper now.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's all she's doing.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like and she's putting on different hats.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's it's fun to play that mafia boss father figure for us on.

[SPEAKER_02]: But that's not really how she's acting as a mentor.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: But she's saying there are parts of it that she relates to.

[SPEAKER_02]: Or maybe that she's viewed that way that people see her as the type of father figure.

[SPEAKER_02]: Even though she's not, but she doesn't like need to prove that to you.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think her actions, especially with Sabrina, do prove that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I did feel in the movie her little speech before father figure when she said, that day to reach out to the George Michael estate, have been working within the whole way because it's so important when you're writing a song that you've been reading any integrity.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, well, I'm like you get permission.

[SPEAKER_02]: It did feel like a very direct like, and yes, this would be, I guess, about Olivia, you know, about a role.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I took from it.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I really like the song, and I don't think that she, like, I just don't think it has to be like a line for line perfect comparison to who she is.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think you can just let it be.

[SPEAKER_02]: And there's that awesome like music swell where it kind of sounds like an old film in it.

[SPEAKER_02]: where she starts singing as though she's like my boy whatever and it sounds like she's like actually playing a mafia boss or something in that part of the song which I think is really cool like you know I'm talking about she even changes her voice you know what I mean yeah and it's just like it sounds very much like she's going into that character so again [SPEAKER_02]: Can she not have fun like seriously?

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm tired of it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, next is Alda Stauder.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's probably my favorite.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, it's so good.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's so, I love how at the end she brings it back to Travis.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like the youngest often feels like there were raised in the wild, but now you're home.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like now you're with an Alda Stauder.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like I'm never gonna leave you or anything.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, it is a really, really sweet song.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it feels, [SPEAKER_01]: herself and I don't people don't like the bad bitch savage lyrics.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I liked them before she even explained it in the movie and in the movie it made it make even more sense.

[SPEAKER_01]: The way that like she's talking about the way that we talk about each other on the way, we're all expected to be a certain way and she's using the language used on the internet.

[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, and I think especially to like when I put it in context of her relationship with Travis and like the types of women that is teammates might usually day who like they are about a bunch of talk about them and how they also it's all really want to be perceived like we want to be perceived as a bad bitch but everybody at the end of the day when they take their makeup off and they go to bed and they're having their moment like they have that soft person inside of them it's whether or not they allow anybody to see it and I think it's like this moment where she's like with someone.

[SPEAKER_02]: And who's in this world where like she is expected to be this bad bitch is savage whatever and she's like I've tried to be at but like at the end of the day like [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not, and I just want this.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to be with you.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, that's not really bad bitch of me to say.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that's not really bad bitch of me to be like, I'm gonna try so hard to make you happy and love me and like whatever.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, I just think, I really like that line.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it really does feel like the, I keep wanting to sing, I'm not a bad bitch, I'm not a step.

[SPEAKER_02]: I keep wanting to sing it like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: But that's not the tune.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, no, of course, we win the friendship.

[SPEAKER_02]: This one, and I don't want to speak ill, but it did take me on a ride when I realized where we were going at the end of the song.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought it was an interesting choice, but I did really I do really like the song I do too, and I like when she uses that device again, it feels like the baddie songs So it's like her story telling right at her at her at her heart.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's a country songwriter 100% and like [SPEAKER_02]: That's another thing I wanted to say, even though we're going to have different, like, what did we say?

[SPEAKER_02]: But if we say it was the word totally concepts, we're going to have different concepts and sounds for album.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like at the end of the day, it's still tailor.

[SPEAKER_02]: Just like at the end of the day, I know if I listen to a Sabrina Carpenter song.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to hear an new one though.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to hear fast for Broto.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to hear a little bit of country chewing.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know that.

[SPEAKER_02]: But the sound could be totally different on each song, you know, and I still hear that in her song on Taylor's album too, which I like if it's a Taylor song I know somewhere in that album.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna be getting the she can't not be who she is.

[SPEAKER_01]: She can't not tell a story that way and like but it and it is just like it I love that she hasn't shot away from that that is a country device to start a song and what and she doesn't father figure which is quite easy to say but like to start a song [SPEAKER_01]: Telling a story in one way and then just changing a little bit about each chorus until you get to the bridge which explains the The culmination story and then it goes back to a chorus that finishes the story right and she learned how to do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's such I mean she just was not really doing it Yes, she was listening to as a kid, but [SPEAKER_01]: She's brought that into pop songwriting, and I think that we can't overlook that.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, I agree.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think when my favorite part of the song, though, like she's also despite having so much music out, she does find ways to continuously like surprise me and be creative with her melody, isn't like her like syncopation, and she's like, I love the part of she's like, shoot a kiss to anybody.

[SPEAKER_02]: She was like, what, she's the kiss to anyone.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_02]: One of them is just a little bit quicker than the last.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like little things like that, like it's just like, oh, like it just like scratches and thing in my brain, and I love it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, she just so, and it's a similar thing to Ari, I feel like, where she's so involved in the creation of every sound and like, what am I, the production of the piece?

[SPEAKER_02]: We're like, what to go here?

[SPEAKER_02]: What could be different?

[SPEAKER_02]: What could make this a little bit better?

[SPEAKER_02]: even just how deliberate she is with her vocal tone or her vocal weight or things like that and different things like the artistry color of vocalists say she's not.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's paying so to attention to all those little details.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're like culminating in this amazing story and song and like I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: You just hear people sorry I'm gonna shit on tape my cray for a second even though I like tape my cray's music but it's like [SPEAKER_02]: I every single word she's ever songs sounds like nasal, like, breathy, whatever, which is fine.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't need you to sing like Ariana, but I like the attention to like, what does it do to the song if I put this here or if I put the inflection on this part like whatever, you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: All right, actually romantic.

[SPEAKER_02]: You guys, Phoebe and I could not believe our fucking ears.

[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe any of them mentioned Dick's bigger on Father figure.

[SPEAKER_02]: Phoebe and I, jaws on the, the reaction that Jake and what's your name Brad had was almost identical to what Phoebe and I'm the couch like, and but Phoebe didn't have a good point.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sorry, I'm going to give it to you on this.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I wish you would have said, [SPEAKER_02]: I can, and, and, and, and, and, because my dick is bigger, which is worse than dick's bigger.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just like, it just works a little better.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway.

[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.

[SPEAKER_02]: Actually romantic.

[SPEAKER_01]: Phoebe and I.

Well, here's the thing guys.

[SPEAKER_01]: I sent, like, hours for the album came out.

[SPEAKER_01]: I sent Caroline a tweet that said the boring Barbie lyric and Caroline goes, that's fake.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, because I had already seen it and I went to the account and saw that it was a parody account and I was like, for you, like, okay, thank God, you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_02]: And Phoebe and I were so relieved because we were like, no way.

[SPEAKER_02]: Now, if that song was going to be, if that line was going to be in the song, I just didn't expect it to be the first line.

[SPEAKER_01]: Phoebe and I, we were like, this sounds like an earlier act for the bridge.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, we were like, I can't believe that's what I just heard.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's also like now it's just like indisputable who it's about.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and I wouldn't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: How did Gabriette know?

[SPEAKER_01]: What, this was gonna be the one that was about her.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, because I think it's a play on everything is real tech.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know, but like, oh, people have been saying that Gabriette listened to the leaks.

[SPEAKER_01]: But that was so long ago I know that's what I'm saying like the Lee I feel we didn't have weeks when she commented that's like Gabrielle.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry little and very weird like why are you like doing all this like it's weird you're with Maddie now you got him like you got you got him I need and you got your little cameo and I know what you did.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, you know you got the whole thing whatever [SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand like you are like obsessed with Taylor because it's not like she she gives cool girl.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it's not like Charlie actually has a relationship with Taylor.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're like if she had beef with Taylor, I would be like, maybe something happened on tour.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like they've got history, you know, they've both been in the industry for so long in the same industry.

[SPEAKER_02]: Gabrielle, I'm like [SPEAKER_02]: What does like do you would you in Taylor even know who each other were if you just weren't engaged to Maddie like and and this song's not about you so why are you like it's just because also it's like The easy thing for Taylor really would have been to go for Gabrielle if she wanted if she was still bitter about Maddie it's like the fact of the matter is I believe her when she says I didn't realize I was like this much of a big deal to her like I didn't know that and once I really go like oh my god, okay, well [SPEAKER_02]: Great.

[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for the attention and she says in my industry attention is affection.

[SPEAKER_02]: So like I mean, and it's true haters make you fucking famous like Charlie you just boosted her fucking album sales and frankly, Charlie.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's boosting yours exactly in your welcome for something as a knife just had its high streaming day and I'm not surprised at all.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like I'm sorry, but people are like well Charlie song is about like a female insecurity like the video you said and it's like okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: She also is being kind of nasty in the song and [SPEAKER_02]: Like we do not know these people.

[SPEAKER_02]: They amount of things that could be the same thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think people found out that the weasel Weasel is the wrong word.

[SPEAKER_02]: Gracie Abrams or Lord Margaret quality.

[SPEAKER_01]: Whoa really I've seen people talking about Gracie and Lord, but People think it could be Margaret quality Because [SPEAKER_01]: of there were a bunch of pictures I saw that just made it seem like Margaret could be close enough to that side of the industry that she's hearing the things that are being said about Taylor and then she's going back to Taylor.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which puts into concept them dancing to Charlie's performance at the time.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's so funny.

[SPEAKER_02]: It makes it so funny that Taylor's doing that just to just [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: I, at the end of the day for me, I think we can, we can feel embarrassed as she wrote this disc track about Charlie.

[SPEAKER_02]: There are lines in it that I wouldn't have put in.

[SPEAKER_02]: However, Taylor Swift doesn't fucking care.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, and that's what I realized is like, she would not have put that track out if she gave a fuck that we were going to rip it apart the 1975 is going to rip it apart.

[SPEAKER_02]: That Charlie was going to rip it apart.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_02]: And [SPEAKER_02]: The fact of the matter is, it is obviously gotten under Charlie's skin and off that she's back in the studio and posting to you.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, I mean, but the one thing is, on one hand, I'm like, good job Taylor.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you pissed her off so much as she's going to respond.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, also you know that quote, that Charlie Xiax quote that's like, [SPEAKER_01]: be messy who cares how fun.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, exactly.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, but not if you're Taylor Swift.

[SPEAKER_02]: Not if you're Taylor Swift.

[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_02]: Charlie can do whatever she wants, but the second someone says, you've been out of Taylor Swift, but she did at the restaurant the other night.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, she would be in jail.

[SPEAKER_02]: She would be a fully canceled again, like reputation canceled.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, and it's just crazy that that same trip is just, you know, whatever, but [SPEAKER_02]: I think Charlie, if you really wanted to win, you would have just said nothing.

[SPEAKER_02]: The fact that you were actually really would have ready.

[SPEAKER_01]: He probably might have rekindled your, you really wanted to win, you could have rekindled that relationship.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: That, you know, you had when you went on one of the biggest.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's why the way who knows if Brad even would have happened if you didn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: It wouldn't have been as big.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, let you make it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you wouldn't have made one of those wrongs.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, sort of like an example of how networking and people you know and like showing up for things that even though you don't want to be there and you don't think you need to be there and you don't think you think you're above it just showing up and doing something and doing the work puts you in positions that allow you to excel and advance in your fucking career and get what you want like that's how it works and I think Charlie does that I think Taylor does that I think they both do I think they have more in common than they want to believe honestly, you know.

[SPEAKER_02]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_02]: I do think I'm terrified to hear Charlie's track.

[SPEAKER_02]: because Charlie is me is meaner than you Taylor and she's not like she's going to come in her but the people who are like I think it's bad that Taylor's like using coke against Charlie I'm sorry she uses it's hard to hear that and it's not a secret the Charlie X X loves to do cocaine okay can you believe last year we had plastic baggies as like tour signs oh well I was even just going to say we had Kendrick and Drake [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, and now we're getting, and now we have two great feuds, but like this is such a, it's such a hip hop thing, the kind of tracks going back and forth.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's such a, sorry, Hilary Dufflensy low hand.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's funny to see it now, like just historically going back, like it's always been happening in that genre and I'm glad that we are bringing it, well, it's always been happening in pop a little more than I think we think I mean Christina and Brittney.

[SPEAKER_02]: But were they writing songs to each other?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Hilary and Lindsay Lohan.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just watched an interview the other day.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like, who is the song about?

[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, oh, like, when it's about Lindsay Lohan, they were putting out districts.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they were, you know, now we're back really to the even though, like, each other was just for PR.

[SPEAKER_02]: But like, Mariah Carey's obsessed, like, all of these songs are about that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's...

[SPEAKER_02]: It's just been happening for as long as, you know, the days have been going on and quite frankly, but it is, yeah, I think historically hip-hop, but like we've seen it in pop and I'm sorry it's fun.

[SPEAKER_02]: So at the end of the day, I'm going to have a lot of fun adoring both Taylor and Charlie, exactly.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like being totally fine with them, being in a rivalry that really is nothing to do with me.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I will benefit from it because I will get great music from two artists that I love, so what could be better than that?

[SPEAKER_02]: Wishlist.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really have strong opinions on it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do think we could have done without the dollar signs in the title.

[SPEAKER_02]: I do too, but I also get it, you know, the irony of like some people want this.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just can't watch less time and I think that someone scrolling on the track was might be like, [SPEAKER_01]: And my misconstrued, where it's, it's not totally not what I thought it was going to be.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I think it's, I just don't like it.

[SPEAKER_02]: So sweet.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I do.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's good to have a black look and like you.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, just, I do feel like she's getting married pop and outcats.

[SPEAKER_02]: Just come up with that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I need to speculate about what a woman does with her body.

[SPEAKER_02]: But if I had to guess, based on Miss Album, she's ready.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's ready for it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, wood.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, guys, I fucking level it and Anthony goes, wait, it's the best day or so song I have ever heard and then he goes, wait, is that completely about killer Travestick?

[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, yes, 100% of it is and when she talks to the movie, she's like, it's just about like black cats and like superstition, nothing on what's like superstitions and other things like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not, I think it's one of the most compelling like songs.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's, I'm dead us.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think, I think, Sonically, I love how it sounds.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's so fun to dance to.

[SPEAKER_02]: It is, it's got people like she's trying to heat up Sabrina Carpenter's notcha.

[SPEAKER_02]: And she did, like, hey, guess what?

[SPEAKER_02]: If Sabrina Carpenter wrote this song and recorded it, you can write it up.

[SPEAKER_02]: People were like, wait, okay, so we can't have, we can have that's that me espresso, but we can't have, like, he amatized me and opened my thighs, which I'm sorry, and I love it just thighs.

[SPEAKER_02]: So the first one, that's something that actually was scary.

[SPEAKER_01]: It did.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's something like gallum.

[SPEAKER_02]: It ties me and open my thighs.

[SPEAKER_02]: I get to it, you can't.

[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, okay, so whispering is out from me on my computer, Drugs, my [SPEAKER_02]: new heights of manhood you know Travis is like got to have that tattoo on his body somewhere like framed in the house like behind him on the new heights podcast Like he's so excited that the song has been written and I'm sorry his teammates tweeting that like chubby was right like the album was all There's like that's so cute.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's so cute [SPEAKER_02]: I love it.

[SPEAKER_01]: You were worried about the teammates, but like, I think they're all probably like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no [SPEAKER_02]: Hi, the way.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think canceled is about Brittany Mahomes and that is not.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's about boy.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's obviously about like, lively, dripping Gucci, dripping Gucci.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's completely about her.

[SPEAKER_02]: And when she says, they don't like me.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think before my exoneration, well, the thing with Brittany Mahomes, it's like, I don't, and I don't want to get into it too much.

[SPEAKER_01]: But what I will say is just like, [SPEAKER_01]: I know that Taylor like went to her birthday dinner.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I still don't get the sense that like Britney Mahomes is like her best friend.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're like work friends.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's like when your friends like you your boyfriend has a really good friend or like a work buddy.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like you guys double day sometimes because and so you get him you get it.

[SPEAKER_01]: You get along fine when you get him in invite to the birthday dinner when it's in Nashville.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's like, yeah, no, that means at the end of a day, at the end of a day, the same name, Brady Holmes is a massive fan of Taylor, so I'm like, of course she's going to invite her.

[SPEAKER_02]: She wasn't always.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, really?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's some treats out there.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're right, you're right.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it's like, of course, she's going to invite Taylor.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And if Taylor is just going to play nice and go like, I really don't think that, [SPEAKER_01]: She just also like take the football out of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: If Travis and Patrick were like, yeah, executives at the same company and they were like, became best friends through that and then like their wives.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it'd be like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: If Taylor fussed up that friendship, it would then affect his [SPEAKER_01]: work relationship with his front.

[SPEAKER_02]: I agree, cancelled made me believe pretty much a hundred percent that Taylor and Blake are fucking fine and that Taylor understands how it goes to be canceled.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so she and Blake have agreed together like, hey, I don't need to say anything about this.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, we don't need to, I don't need to get involved unless, unless I have to be involved.

[SPEAKER_02]: And at the end of the day, I also think it's crazy that people are like, well, you know her friendship with Blake is over now that this guy jumped Travis his fence.

[SPEAKER_02]: Why would she blame Blake for that?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, why would she blame Blake?

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm not sure if it was a man did because another man asked him to.

[SPEAKER_01]: That should galvanize her to be more on team Blake because like, yeah, this guy is like in crazy.

[SPEAKER_02]: You have no, like, like, imagine how scary for someone who has an active stalker like Taylor, so who's in my eye?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, literally.

[SPEAKER_02]: All right, honey.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know you're happy with it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you won because I don't know when you won't.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that?

[SPEAKER_02]: Remember when I said I wasn't going to do that one and that's because you were like because I had to leave it to you.

[SPEAKER_02]: I had to leave it to you.

[SPEAKER_02]: Perfectly.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: You'll be good.

[SPEAKER_02]: Phoebe.

[SPEAKER_02]: I had a perfect way.

[SPEAKER_02]: I would have sung exactly the words.

[SPEAKER_02]: Anyone call me honey.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean I had that ready.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, then why didn't you do it?

[SPEAKER_02]: Because CBS I thought she was performing it on Fallon All right, you were there.

[SPEAKER_02]: You were there.

[SPEAKER_02]: You were there.

[SPEAKER_02]: I like it.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's really sweet [SPEAKER_02]: but it's not my favorite.

[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like that one feels more like, almost sweet enough this day.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's mean nothing.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's giving like, not New Year's Day.

[SPEAKER_01]: New Year's Day, that is a memorable, wonderful track.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, honey's been out in the world for three days, so it also could be.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it feels like sweet nothing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like the end of the album kind of like the sweet song that you don't necessarily reach for.

[SPEAKER_01]: New year's day is like knife to the heart.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to turn it on when I like want to be emotional.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: Life of a show girl.

[SPEAKER_02]: I also kind of feel like I'm not reaching for that much.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's also pretty.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little musical theater.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little musical theater bridge.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's very like okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: I get your top shoes on.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hey.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for the lovely bouquet.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's also kind of Lady Gaga.

[SPEAKER_01]: What's that song?

[SPEAKER_01]: Grigio girls.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the Pino, Pino, Grigio girls on the main.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, you already said that.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it was.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's another one too.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's giving um.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that is the one I'm thinking.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's got to be fun.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I think there's one more, no, I think it was, it was one of those weird songs that ended up being a single in like the Born This Way era.

[SPEAKER_01]: That you and I, he's been a long time since he's been a long time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's what it's gonna be.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's, I'm combining Pino Grigio girls and, in that, I love you a lot.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't, it's, in it kind of, it reminded me of what the last one on our pop, which is applause, not that song.

[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't remind me of a pause, literally at all.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I think it's really neat to that she brought Sabrina on.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, she never does that shit, you know?

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's solidified very well that Sabrina is the pro-J, Sabrina is the one she's chosen.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's her mentor, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Which like, guys, I love Sabrina so much.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love her.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it does surprise me that [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not trying to be.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not trying to undercut Sabrina's talent in her songwriting prowess, but it's crazy to me that the songwriter of our generation is picking Sabrina Carpenter.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, she said it in the movie, like Sabrina gets it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like she was like, she gets what it means to move through this world and not care of people think.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think she found that earlier than Taylor did.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think Taylor looks certain is like, if you found that earlier than me, what the fuck could you do?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, like, look at what I've had who made that long to figure it out though.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so like you already got that and imagine and I think should be happy to hold you recently said that an interview was in low.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think she was like if I had had a pop star like Sabrina to look up to yeah my career would have looked so different yeah and I would have been able to do so much more because I would have done it differently right so like I feel like maybe Taylor sees that aspect of it and it's like you know she doesn't want to produce it it's going to make the same kind of music she makes so it's like [SPEAKER_02]: that way they're at, then it doesn't feel like they're in competition.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think they feel like they're in different worlds a little bit and I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love how she spoke about her in the movie when she was like on her days off from tour in Sweden.

[SPEAKER_02]: She went and recorded the song and not to show girl like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Someone who just like the hustle, the grind like they just get up and fucking do it because they love it and because they're a show girl.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's what it is and it's not for everybody.

[SPEAKER_02]: But like [SPEAKER_02]: That is what the life of a show girl is and I don't have people are like this isn't a very show girl like the album as a whole and like it was the end of the night the whole song You know Michael album feels like it literally feels like the first song is when you're getting ready in the dressing room And you're I love the dressing room scene and in the music video like [SPEAKER_02]: that is like my happy place is being in a dressing room with a bunch of bitches put in on our fake lashes talking shit like borrowing each other stuff it smells like burnt hair and it's like five minute call and it's just there's nothing like it I love it so much it doesn't matter what show it is like [SPEAKER_02]: It's amazing and she really like got that feeling and then it's like you go through the show and then you're at the end where you got to like wind down and you hear the Crowd and you're sort of like, whoo, okay, I'm up up person anymore.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like this is where I really am now stripped down to this acoustic sort of version of me and I'm not a freely address up and all the whatever.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just thought I Think she goes through all the different [SPEAKER_02]: like, I don't know, points that I wanted her to go through.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love the album.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: I will do my dream rotation, which is all the road warriors that came to Caroline's ghost war.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was, PB was our ghost tour.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but like it wasn't I didn't get I'm not getting a track in the mail.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well There was Caroline's ghost story, but it I wouldn't have by the way If you didn't work so I'm not going to get into the mail because no, I'm not paying her I know what I'm saying is you tried to say like it was our ghost where no, it wasn't I just want to be like they came also for you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, thank you, but it but we did come for you But they came to your ghost room.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was just the us.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah [SPEAKER_01]: It was so fun.

[SPEAKER_01]: Caroline and I truly couldn't believe it.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, we could not.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm glad you guys got to see our neck for the woods.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I hope, well, it's, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like you got to go to the solarium, you got to like go watch it and rode, you got to sit on the tee, you got to do a bunch of fun.

[SPEAKER_02]: That was it at all.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, correct.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's really just like, [SPEAKER_01]: Washington.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's getting um, it was an absolute blast and I loved you guys showed up in your merch.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was so fun and sweet and real vibes for real.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was really crazy.

[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you for coming.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: And um, it was probably more fun for us than I even was for you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, they [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't matter.

[SPEAKER_02]: The weather, man, it'll be ringing from, mwah, yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: And last, we'll be...

The sandwich I had a party fell.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, it was the best sandwich I think.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the airport?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: And got it crazy, because like when I went to that party fell on the airport, it's sought by the way.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's my favorite party fell.

[SPEAKER_01]: What?

[SPEAKER_01]: The sandwich I get there is always ten times better than the one at the restaurant.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry to be laughing at you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like blown away.

[SPEAKER_01]: No way.

[SPEAKER_02]: I got the salad that I always got.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's where you're probably messing up.

[SPEAKER_02]: And also, like, I'm sorry, no offense, the service in the airport party foul leaves much to be desired.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, it's an airport restaurant.

[SPEAKER_01]: Which is why it's crazy that it's your favorite because you love to be served.

[SPEAKER_01]: Food-wise, I love going.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love having my time to sit in there, watch my TV, have a beer, drink my party foul.

[SPEAKER_01]: Drink my party foul, baby.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then what I love about the sandwich is that it's a different kind of cheese in the airport.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, see, like I would hate that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Don't fuck with my expectations for me for me for me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but it tastes good.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it didn't end up mattering.

[SPEAKER_01]: And now I love it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I look forward to it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I can get an upper spice level at the airport.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not quite as hot.

[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because people don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we'll go up.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because the mild there doesn't have as much spice.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can do medium there.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I do mild it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because guys, if you go to party fall, [SPEAKER_01]: Don't even try it also don't I mean, I mean, despite the high five.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the new the new location.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can walk to Crazy crazy, but all I'm going to say is if like princes and party foul don't mess with the barometer Probably at princes go down to spice level.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would say then what you would get it how do these go up a spice level party foul Probably go below one spice level of what you think you can handle would be my advice.

[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, that's my rotation [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, love it.

[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm on Nightmare.

[SPEAKER_02]: So first up are the Tay Naysayers.

[SPEAKER_02]: The Tay Naysayers.

[SPEAKER_02]: The Tay Naysayers.

[SPEAKER_02]: You guys get a grip.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, sorry.

[SPEAKER_02]: I keep it to yourself.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just keep it to your fucking self.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just reposted this TikTok that really sums it up.

[SPEAKER_02]: I only just play there.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's really quick for you.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then I'll move on to my next one.

[SPEAKER_00]: You guys are so confused.

[SPEAKER_00]: This album is for cool and fun hot girls.

[SPEAKER_00]: Of course you're not gonna like it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, there it is.

[SPEAKER_02]: His album is for cool and fun and hot girls.

[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, if you're not gonna like it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Whoa, we're currently in the right, at me in an actually justored tournament.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, I'm just recreating the video, VV, it's called really good acting.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's all it's called.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, cool.

[SPEAKER_02]: Next up is, [SPEAKER_02]: Happy people and some of my mom's dogs.

[SPEAKER_02]: Nare, no, it's not them.

[SPEAKER_02]: Next up is, I guess I'm gonna fully do the 80 degree weather.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was 83 degrees yesterday and I was planning on wearing this sweater all day and I was with my head and I know that walk, sweating.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know, but I was wearing that sweater.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I was actually like, I had to like go to the bathroom and like, I was dripping sweat.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay, workout.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, my ghost tours already workout.

[SPEAKER_02]: Love it.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you were a sweatshirt.

[SPEAKER_02]: Love it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's let it out.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maddie kills me she wears this like super cute Halloween sweater and she takes it off because she gets hot and then she gets cold and we're standing so she puts it on and she goes and I'm hot again.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was on her body for one second and she goes she really got just put her like crossbody back on after taking it from Andrew and she goes.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm hot again.

[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was so fun.

[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and next way am I going to do this and actually cause a riff in the family.

[SPEAKER_02]: Lisa Barlow.

[SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk about it in the popcast this week for the Patreon, because you don't just don't have time to get into Salt Lake today, and we'll talk about the big brother finale in winter as well.

[SPEAKER_02]: But Lisa.

[SPEAKER_01]: I actually, I actually, I'm just realizing now I never watched because of, I was, uh, I went to the home concert in Tuesday and then I traveled and I think I just completely forgot.

[SPEAKER_01]: You must watch it, ASAP, because I haven't been, no, I know.

[SPEAKER_02]: Defending Lisa.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's like so much worse.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's, it's like, I'm just like, is this real life?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, [SPEAKER_02]: it's embarrassing the way she's acting it's really crazy and I hate it so um that's what I just say about that we'll talk more about it on the Patreon okay guys thank you so much for listening this was a fun episode if you don't have Taylor talk sorry but you'll get a punch ball and Thursday so you'll be just fine reminder we are recording with Sarah Shepherd this week so if you have any questions that you want to ask her you need to get them in like [SPEAKER_02]: Um, our Halloween merch is out at super cute.

[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone looked amazing in the last night.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want you to feel left out.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you're walking on the street and see everybody wearing Mattie literally mid tour order merch.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because it is she was like, it looks so cute.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, yeah, hello, I know.

[SPEAKER_01]: So Andrew goes, oh wait, like, I want the beanie.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so like, but I'm leaving with merch.

[SPEAKER_01]: So funny.

[SPEAKER_01]: So funny, so cute.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's like great.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm saying?

[SPEAKER_02]: But you should wear a costume too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I am a big deal with the devil because my dick's big.

[SPEAKER_02]: Did you call me worrying about me when the Coke's got your brave Zalakos?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a Zalakos.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.