Welcome to the Drive to the Draft Podcast.

Today we got mock draft madness.

We got Danny Kelly, Todd McShay field, Gates, Nate Tys, Trevor Sikama, Mike Red.

What do they think we're going to do?

We break it all down for you that we got the fastest forty what's the biggest lie about the draft process?

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I am just a guy, Jason here with Logan Paulson, ten year NFL veteran, a tight end for us here at Washington for five years.

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Just get after it, get after it and but what I want to say to start in this podcast off logan is that we are a draft podcast.

Obviously we're Commanders focused, but hopefully all NFL fans can get something out of this.

We don't know who the Commanders are going to draft, we have no insight on that, so we're going to touch on a lot of guys.

So you could be a fan of literally any team and get something out of this.

Because we're a prospect heavy.

No, absolutely, and I think that's one of the things that I enjoy about this show specifically, is like we are again Commander's focus, but we're going to get you as much information about these prospects as we can and give you all the film that we've watched on basis.

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Okay, So that being said, we're getting ready to go down to the shrine that's coming up real soon, Logan, we'll have episodes every day there at the practice.

But before we get there, let's do a little mock draft madness.

Dude, love that name.

Great shot by you.

Yeah, it's the first time that's ever been used, is right here.

But basically what this is, we'll do mock drafts in the future, but that's not what we're doing today.

What we're doing is we're looking at some of the top I would say media NFL draft experts.

I mean just some what you did.

You went through and you looked at like the Ringer, ESPN Sports, they're top guys.

Their mock drafts, and then you said, these are the people that have been mocked the Commanders, and like, I think you articulated that really well, Like, these people are people that are players that I think our fans and different fan bases want to know more about.

So we're just going to kind of give you our little draft profiles on all of them.

Yeah, it's almost like.

A top ten kind of preview here, because a lot of these guys potentially are going to go in that top ten.

So if you're a fan of a team that is a top ten pick, you're going to learn something about probably a guy that's going to be selected here.

We don't know for sure, but yeah, the overall consensus is these guys are up there, so let's just kick right into it.

And the first one that is mocked to us is Danny Kelly over at the ringer has given us the edge rusher, Keldrick Falk from Auburn.

Yeah, tell me a little bit about him, logan, we expect to see it.

So this was a really interesting journey I took with Keldric Falk.

Honestly, so he's six six, he's like two eighty five, looks like he's two ninety maybe, but his thin, long, kind.

Of basketball player lean.

I got like a little he's not this player, but like in terms of body type, I got very strong, like Julius Pepper's vibes.

Right.

So in Auburn's defense, he plays a wide nine, so outside the tackle he plays a five, which is a which is tight to the tackles.

Outside shoulder he plays a four eye which is inside the tackle three technique, and there's even some pass rush reps of him at noseguard.

So very versatile in the front.

And the thing that sticks out to me kind of above all else with him is his hand usage to me is excellent, like his ability to get hands on blocks, Like you know, you see these guys that are six six six seven, and they don't always use their length the best.

I feel like he uses his length really, really well.

He's got a natural kind of basketball athleticism to him.

The game I watch was against Alabama, so obviously he's played played against Caden Proctor, who's probably gonna be a first round tackle, and again is one of these freaky maybe one of the freakiest guys in the draft class.

He's six seven, he's three sixty six, He's probably gonna run like a sub five point forty.

His jump numbers are crazy at that size.

And it was like a war.

And what I saw was a guy in uh Keldric Falk who's able to use his hands really well, has enough natural bend.

Not the most bursty or sudden athlete, but man like I just the other thing about him that I don't know if you know this, Jason, he was nineteen for this entire season.

He just turned twenty at the beginning of the month.

So he is a puppy, a little baby, and I just think the upside with him if he's this technically sound already, he's this kind of naturally athletic.

I didn't like at the beginning because it wasn't super twitchy.

Didn't really love it.

And then the more I watched him, I just was like, this guy could be an absolute stud.

You better believe I knew he was only twenty years old.

It's in my notes.

And you want to know what else I know about him is that he squat seven hundred pounds benches for fifteen at only twenty years old.

He's still growing, right.

He's number nine when Feldzman's Freak List this year.

Pretty high.

Yeah, but I'm going to bring up some red flags I want you to respond to him.

So the first one is is that his production dropped In twenty twenty four.

He had nine sacks with thirty one hurries.

Twenty twenty five only two sacks in that column with twenty five hurries.

Why do you think there was a little bit of a drop going into this year.

I'll have to go back and look at twenty twenty four, but I remember thinking for some of like the cutups that I watched, that the level of opponent wasn't quite as strong.

He was very productive against like Cal for example, when who's the quarterback from Indiana?

What's his name?

Mendoza.

Yeah, Mendoza was at Cal.

He got a couple of sacks there, but does is holding the ball?

Like again, not a great football team.

Also, like I felt like they were using him a little bit more as a straight edge and I felt like, I don't know what his pressure rate is, Jason Mayb, We're gonna look that up for our next show.

But I felt like against Alabama, for example, there's a couple of times where he's absolutely getting after Caden Proctor right winning on the edge with the balls out right.

So here's not getting the same level of production there, And I honestly think, man, the other thing that sticks out to me too is like, again, the pressure rate to me, felt about the same in the two games I watched, Like you feel him, you feel his impact, but also like him as a run defender is big.

So yeah, the drop in production I think is probably more opponent dependent, And I don't love sacks as an indicator of production.

Like a good example this is Miles Garrett for example, Like he's always been he I think he's always had the highest win raty percentage for defensive edge rusher in the NFL since he's been in the NFL.

Obviously you've got Aaron Donald J.

Watt on the interior that have had higher consistently year on year.

But I think the sack number this year, I'm sad to you because he's actualizing the pressures.

To me, pressure, pressure rate and pressure is a much more consistent statistic to feel an edge rusher's impact on the game.

I love that.

I mean when you watch him, you can't deny the size that he has, that he's got decent ben and speed for being as big as he is.

And he's a hell of a run stopper.

Right, You're definitely already got somebody that's going to help in that position where sometimes when you get edges that come out of glass where they're constantly hunting for that sack, so they give up the contain they push too far up.

But he is very good at identifying run and attacking it from an edge.

Yeah.

And I think the other thing too that was really impressive about him is and again maybe why his production dipped is like when you're playing four I, you're not really a pass rusher, You're a run stopper, and for him to be as dexterous and effective in that role given his height.

Was incredibly impressive.

So I actually, you know, like just a little insight is like I had him rated not very high in terms of the past rushers I've watched.

I just got eh.

And then the more I watched him, the more I watch Rubyn Bain like and more I watched David Bailey from Texas Tech, I was like, I think Kendrick Falk might be my number one edge as of right now.

And again, what is the day today.

It's the twelfth of January, so we have a lot of time yet so with this process, but I left thinking like in terms of age, upside floor and then potential ceiling, like he's got some special tools.

And again this is probably some of my own bias too.

I love a long kind of tracy edge rusher, which he definitely is.

All right, so I'm going to say something, tell me if I'm right or wrong.

If I'm in the war room with you and I say, hey, look, this guy's big, strong, and he's freaky, but he's a he's a developmental bet like he's not there yet.

He's only twenty years old.

He can do things that we like, but we're betting that he's going to grow into something huge here.

Yeah, we don't see it quite yet with there are pieces, but like this is the tip of the iceberg.

I definitely feel that way when I watch him, Like that's how I feel one elopmental element to me is and to me, the thing is, he feels like a I don't want to say surefire developmental guy, because nothing's surefied in the NFL draft, but his ability to use his hands and play the run and actualize his length, like he's going to be, excuse me, an excellent football player.

You know.

He might never be a twelve sec kind of guy, but I think with his length, with his athleticism, with the bend that he's starting to show, he could definitely be a ten sec guy, you know, and again, very very very effective against the run and moves around the front.

And I just think about a force multiplier for a defense that needs bodies and needs firepower in a defense that we don't really know yet, like what we're going to be looking for.

Like, he just feels like he could fit in a multitude of different systems.

And how important is the combine process, not necessarily the measurements, but the interviews that are there and what teams are going to learn about his personality.

How important is it going to be if we find out that this guy's a self starter, he wants to grind, he wants to be great on guys that are this freaky and have the potential they kind of need to have that, right And if we start to learn that he has that, he might move up.

No.

Absolutely, And I think the other thing about him, like, I think people are gonna say, oh, he's freaky, like Samar Stewart, No, or like Malick.

What was the the San Francisco drafted him?

Me?

Uh, it was it Georgia last year.

I don't remember his name.

But kind of these longer, big guys that aren't super productive in college, that's not really what I see when I watch him.

I see a guy that's much more polished and so yes, is it an upside play, Absolutely, But I also think that he has shown enough and so like to me, the run, the run defense, that's a tremendous floor for him.

He's gonna be excell in that category.

And I think because of the length and because of the natural kind of fluidity, he'll fall in eight sacks.

And as a rookie, you know, he just feel I just trust the technical savvy that he plays with.

So in the combine, if you tell me this kid's a self starter, like you're gonna you're gonna have a hard time getting logan Paulsen off off the Keldrick Falk train.

I love it all right now, Todd McShay over at the Ringer and field Yates from ESPN.

They both also have an edge coming to the commanders at number seven.

This time it's David Bailey from Texas Tech.

Logan, I'm gonna kick this one off.

I was gonna say, you probably should I peep your notes a little bit on the.

Way because, oh my last note here is damn it.

If this kid isn't a devastating football player, right, there's just something about him.

He is violent.

He is aggressive.

Look at this isn't an analysis.

This is just I watched him a little bit and anybody can see that he is just he gets after it.

Now.

He is big, right, and I have no idea how he moves with that sort of frame.

Right, big in the sense of like he's very muscly, right, But still moves very well for that, So break him down a little bit more for me.

Yeah, man, I think you hit it kind of nail on the head there, like he's I think he's sixty three.

He's two hundred and forty pounds, So that's what he's listed at on the Texas Tech website.

And obviously the combine's important for finalizing these measurements.

But when you talk about pass rush juice, this dude has it.

He's got the long arm, he's got the power, he understands angles, he's got a nice spin move, he's got enough.

He's a little stiff, like that muscle bound upper back.

He's a little stiff, but he has enough kind of athletic athleticism to bend and work the corner.

There's times where his get off I'm like, I want to know.

I wish we had energy, the advanced speed metric stuff to know what his actual get off time was, because there's times where it looks like he's shot out of a cannon.

He as a pass rusher.

Me personally, I don't think there's a better pass rusher that I have watched so far in this class.

So there's a reason I get excited about him.

You feel him every time he's on the field.

I will say, if you're looking for a couple of things that are drawbacks in my opinion, there are times where you know, we talked about the explosive snap as a pass rusher, he shows that.

In the run game.

But there's also times where he'll just let you block him.

Like he plays a lot in a two point kind of a square two points, so it's not easy necessarily to play the run.

He can be a little bit apathetic in those moments, right, And he's also a part of a pretty significant rotation.

So what I mean by that is like he'll be on for four or five reps, he'll be off for four or five reps, and so you're always getting the freshest version of him.

And so I wonder a little bit about conditioning, like and again, you will not see a conditioning issue in any of the clips that he plays because he's awesome.

But again, like, how does if he has to play sixty snaps, what does that look like?

And then also the run stuff, like if you want to if you want him to play four to like a four down defensive end spot, he's going to have a hard time with that, I think just from a body size issue, like he's not the biggest guy in the world, but god blod.

He's not prototypical, and I think he can over pursue.

Like if I'm going to put some red flags that I saw, tell me if I'm wrong, because I could be wrong here.

I'm just you know, I just watch he can kind of get caught up in some time zone reads and RPOs and whatnot.

He'll he just gets overly aggressive with some of those, and then he can get stuck sometimes when there's an excellent O line, yeah, O lineman that has like really nice, perfect technique, if like he just can get stuck there, he sometimes counts on winning base on a little bit inferior offensive line play.

I'm nitpicking when.

I see that.

And I think that's the part with these top end prospects, Like you mentioned the production for Falk and this is to me would be the ward for Bailey, is that like, while he's incredible, there are these moments where you're like, there's a play BYU.

They bring an extra offensive lineman in so and he's the tight end and he just walks him off the ball for five yards.

And Bailey's kind of.

I don't want to say he's chilling.

He's trying to get off, but he just doesn't have that like there's something that there the snap right, and so to me, like yeah, you want him to come rush the passer, like he'll do that.

And that's again where I'd probably give the edge to a guy like Falk, because Falk is exquisite in the run game and is good enough as a pass rusher like this is David Bailey is Ricky Bobby.

He wants to go fast, right, he wants to go fast and run to the football.

And again, he made a play in that BAU game where they're trying run like a double reverse pass and he kind of pursues down line of scrimmage and right when the reverse guy gets the ball, like he pitches it, but he's tackling the reverse player.

So he's the left defensive end.

Bailey, he tackles him over the ghost tight end instantly.

Like he is fast, he's physical, he's strong, he's incredibly impressive.

I love the player.

He's a little bit lower.

But again, if you said, man, we really need a pass rusher at seven, and he said, David Bailey is our guy.

I'd be like, that's the guy.

Yeah, I like him, so I'm going to hype him the end.

Here you said he was fast.

GPS clocked him this year at twenty two point one six twenty two hours, twenty two miles per hour for that big fella.

He had fifteen sacks this year.

That's up from the year before with seven.

I know that sacks aren't everything.

But he let to your point.

He led the FBS and pressures as well.

I think he had seventy seven pressures or something.

Yeah, he can get after and I think it's because he just has that quiver full of pass rush moves, which you don't always see here.

You see some guys need to develop some things.

But he's strong like bull and he's got a nice change up in some spin moves.

He's got a nice strong arm or his straight arm like he's he's just got a lot of things.

Now are they perfectly polished, No, but he's got the gist.

He's going to get after this pretty close man.

Like I know that it's not perfect, but like when you watch him, you just see how refined college pass rushers are getting.

Like he is the he's the prototypic prototypical pass rusher coming out of high school.

College.

Now at the moment, like where they've gotten all these pass rush clinics and camps, they've got all these deep moves.

Like he's excellent.

Even his running mate, I forget the kid's name on the other side, is very, very polished as well, probably a late first early second round pick kind of guy.

But yeah, I think Bailey is.

He's impressive Athletically, he's impressive.

Tons of batted balls, tons of production.

Just gives offensive line hell.

The spin move he's won so cleanly against Kansas.

He just murdered some poor guy against Kansas.

Like, so again, not the most complete player, but he is a fastball pitcher.

He's Mariano Rivera man.

He wants to get out there.

He's throw one hundred miles an hour.

He's closing out the game.

That's his thing.

And it just depends on like whether you think you can coach him on first and second down a little bit better, because again, like there's times where like you see great snap, he's on a stunt, he's absolutely stunning a guard on a pole like love that just why why only sometimes let's do that all the time?

Hey, I got a question for you, Logan, Are you enjoying the college football playoffs right now?

I am, actually yeah.

I bet.

One of the reasons you're enjoying it, much like Kyl Santana Moss is enjoying this run with Miami, is because of the edge rusher out of Miami, Ruben Ban junior number four.

Nate Tice from the I Who Sports has him coming to us.

Tell me a little bit about Ruben Bean, the six three, two seventy five edge out of Miami.

It's been a little bit of an honesty, you know.

Like I talked to Keldric Falkow, it started low and kind of worked up.

I the first time I watched Truman Bain, I was like, no dog, not for me.

Like I watched him against A and M.

Why is that give me your first impression?

Yeah, So watched him against A and M, and I just didn't see anything from him, Like A and M has a bigger offensive tackle who was probably going to get drafted, and all of the stuff that Bain does well, like the physicality, the pop, the snap, the angles on the rush, like it just wasn't there.

And the guy that really flashed was Achema Mesodor like the guy that plays opposite him, who I think is a.

Heck of a football player.

He's a little bit older, he's twenty five, so again probably not in the top fifteen because of the age.

But again, Bain is incredibly impressive, and so in that game was not impressive.

But then the more I watched him, I watched him against I forget who they played next.

It was it shoot Old Miss maybe whatever the next game was, and I just kind of slowly started falling in love with him.

Right, Like, he's not a super traditional pass rusher on the edge, right, he's got short arms, He's got kind of a squatty build.

That's going to be a big talking point about him, is this arm length.

First off, tell me why arm length matters, and then tell me when there are times when you can push the arm length away.

Yeah.

So with arm length, again, you're because you're negotiating with tackles usually and so they have long arms, usually thirty three inches at least, and so you want guys that can kind of we talked about the long arm with with Bailey, like getting that thing out touching the tackle first, not letting the tackle get connected or anchored to you is a big part of rushing the passer in a cartoonish way.

Think about how like if you're a dad and you have a little one and he's running at you, just put your hand out.

They can't get to you.

Same sort of thing you got a Really if you have a really strong tackle with long arms and you've got shorter arms, it's worked to get in there.

Yeah.

Absolutely, And so you're kind of like, well, can he overcome the length?

Like how's his get off?

It doesn't look super clean.

But again, the more you watch them, I think the thing that sticks out to me is he does a couple subtle things really well.

We talk about Bailey and like the like the firework pass rusher that he is with Bain.

The thing he does better than anybody that I've seen the last couple of years is his angles on the rush are excellent.

So a lot of immature, inexperienced pass rushers will try to run away from the tackle, so they kind of run straight up the field, or they run right at the tackle.

He does a great job of setting his angle kind of what I would say is like two by one off of the tackles outside foot, so he's stretching the tackle vertically.

If the tackle is short, he does a great job with kind of this chop rip and he does and he's eascid enough on the dip to get around that thing.

If the tackle oversets the line, he's going to attack the inside shoulder with great power knock that thing back at a pressure.

And if the tackles right on the line, he's he's got good enough pressure.

So like that to me is something that is a very advanced coaching point.

Obviously, Taylor what's his his first name escapes me at the moment, but great pass rusher from the Miami Dolphins is the defensive line coach there, not Jason Taylor.

Thank you.

Yeah, Jason Taylor.

And I was gonna keep wanting to say Sean, but I'm like that's not correct.

So Jason Taylor coach of Pastors.

You can tell he's coached up well because that is something that's really hard to coach.

And I think about Ryan Kerrigan's most productive year here in Washington, and that's what the coach taught him was that line and why it was so important.

And when you're a power rusher like him, if you can trust that line, you can win a lot of reps and so his ability to bend the edge, which for a big guy is very hard, his ability to win with power.

Again, I started slowly falling in love with him, and then you compare him to Bailey, who again Billy's a little up and down in terms of effort on first second down.

There is no up and up and down with Baine.

Like he is strong against the run, he's physical.

The thing that gets me is he doesn't use his hands particularly well.

It's a lot of shoulder contacts and elbows and kind of forearm shivers.

But he's big.

He's like two seventy five, two eighty, and you can really feel him on rundowns and passing downs.

And the other thing is that dude never comes off the field.

He's always on the field.

He's in great shape.

So there's a lot to like about Bain.

Once you get past kind of the initial arm length squad of or build not necessarily the most twitchy guy.

When you get to the fundamentals of the rusher, I think you see some good stuff.

So sometimes we talk about the exception and the rule.

I think in our last podcast we talked about like don't get caught up in yeah, just the physicality of somebody, right, Like there are rules for a reason, an arm, like there's one of them.

Could this be an exception?

Could he have an exception for this one?

Yeah?

I think with him, I think the thing is like because he does the angle thing I'm talking about at such a high level.

Like, if you can do that and be consistent with that in the NFL, you're going to be a consistent pass rusher.

Now, the thing that you worry about is that you're going to get tackles in the NFL who are a little bit bigger, a little bit hardier, and they're going to get back to that.

They're going to get back to that spot.

They're not going to play this game where I'm short set and yemming it right in the thing.

They're going to invite power and they're going to just underhook him, which is what good tackles will do.

So think about an un hook from a tackle, like instead of punching straight out, I'm going to kind of bring an upper cut into your breastplate.

So I'm lifting you out of your bul rush and you're going to be dead.

So there are some good tackles that say, I know you're going to bowl me on the spot.

I'm just gonna underhook you, and like, can he overcome that?

Like Keldric Falk David Bailey have more more varied pass rush moves in terms of hand usage, so they can potentially overcome that.

Ruben Bahm, I'm a little bit unsure about.

But again, like the angle stuff, the bend, the burst, the timing of the snap.

Understanding his body type and how he can win was really impressive and it's something that made me really appreciate him.

And I again couple that with the first and second down stuff, I was like, I understand why people are talking about him in this range.

I do pros and cons basically like green Flag's red flags.

When I look at these guys and there was something that I noticed about him, I didn't know where to put.

But it sounds like you're kind of answering it for me, But it just looked like, I have no idea how to describe this.

It's just what my eyes saw.

But it looks like all his work is kind of tight and inside.

Yes, he doesn't do anything.

He has to get in tight in order to win.

Now, I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing because it could be a good thing because that means the arm length doesn't matter.

You're chopping, you're getting in, you're getting leverage, you're getting angles.

Where it could be a bad thing, being like there are bigger, stronger dudes in the NFL that are just like, nope, you're not doing that, and then you what do you have?

So like it, talk to me a little bit about it.

It's a great ice, it's a great observation, and it's something like I don't know if you can hear it, but that's like the point of consternation for me.

It's like, not even in the run game, does he really use his hands?

And so why, you know, like why you're a big strong guy, right, Like, why aren't we using our hands more?

Why are we so shoulder oriented?

Is this something that can be taught, so like you don't sit there and go, well, we'll take them and we'll teach him this.

Yeah, I think so it's something you can teach, but it is kind of like it's the way he's been playing for the last four years, so it's not going to just like erase from the system right away.

And I have heard other analysts say, oh, I think uses his hands, well, I would disagree with those people.

Well, based on what I've seen, I think as a pass rusher, he's got three good moves that work really well for him.

That's fine.

He knows how to defeat the hands in those contexts.

As a run defender.

One of the reasons that I get so excited for Keldric Falk is his hands are excellent.

He knows how to manipulate shoulders, he knows how to use his length, he knows how to.

Attack backside pad.

All that stuff is so.

Important, and it's one of the reasons he's so successful against the run bait.

And you'll see him get washed or lost or clamped on, and he's kind of making these tackles where he's falling off of blocks that are engaged on him to make the tackle Like that works in college because you're bigger and stronger.

In the NFL, you are going to need to have more efficient hand use on first and second down.

So would you let's end on a positive them, Yeah, right, Because all these guys were pointing out the goods and the bats or nitpicking at this level because you think all these guys are definitely first round talent.

If not top ten talent.

So all that taking into consideration, maybe it's the arm length, the hand you should saying put a bow on it.

Though you're happy at number seven if he comes here to Washington.

Because absolutely, because of because of how he trusts the angle.

And if you look at pass rushers that have been successful recently, I look no further than Jared Verse.

That's what Jared Verse does.

I attack the angle.

If you're short, I'm gonna turn the corner.

And he turns the corner better than Jared Verse.

So he has the tools to be successful.

Yah.

His powers maybe not as sharper, as explosive as Jared Verse, but he turns the corner way better.

So if you're going to give him a short corner, he unlike Jared Verse, who was really stiff in the hips, I think I remember doing the eval thing and like, I don't know if he can consistently turn the corner doesn't matter because he's just running down people's face all the time.

But if you give him a short corner, he is bendy enough and strong enough in the lower half to make that play.

So there is a tremendous upside for this style of power Rusher.

It's just like there are I guess the thing is, there are limitations to his game, which there's limitations to all three of these guys games.

And I think, like I again, like I said, I fell in love with him the more I watched him, because he plays hard, he's physical, and he's got this kind of magic pixie dust that he has in terms of trust in this angle.

That gets me, like, as a football.

Purist, really excited, and I know how hard that is to block, and I see college tackles having a really hard time with.

It, all right.

Number seven Trevor sikamav from PFF Friend of the Pod.

He has from the Great State of Ohio safety Caleb Downs.

I mean, logan, this dude's stud this this could be the best player in the draft, so of the players I've watched, and so this year you talk about changing draft process because we always have to rank these guys.

I've been putting a number grade of like where I think they should go.

He is the highest.

He's the highest grade that I've given out so far so far, and dude's a machine man, like he is a football player, Johnny in the purest sense of the word, like as the nickel, he comes down and apps obliterates you on the tackle.

Like people want to compare him to Gosh.

I should look this up before a game.

But the guy that Texas drafted in the first round last year who was kind of this nickel hybrid player, that dude didn't want to tackle, Caleb Downs will come knock your face off.

Okay, he knows how to blitz, he can fit runs.

He stays incredibly square in man coverage, plays with great strength, Like watching him against the tight end for Michigan.

Is going to be a draft toble player Like that dude's six' SEVEN i think he's two six two fifty, five and he is square as a try as a straight.

LINE i don't know even, Know like what's something that's really?

SQUARE a square is an angle that you'd use to hang something on your.

Wall like he is as square as you could possibly, be doesn't move his doesn't to open his, shoulders locks that dude.

Down like to see that level of man coverage from a guy who's not a big.

Guy he's five eleven to two hundred pounds is incredibly.

Impressive the physicality in the run, again like to, me he feels like the perfect Like Buffalo nickel hyghbred.

Linebacker AND i think about all the Issues washington's had With nickel players, here AND i would die if that dude came here because, smart, instinctual downhill tacks the football Stud, yeah this is what a blue.

Chip looks like when we talk about it when you watch, him because it's hard to find flaws really and what's going on.

Here SO i don't want to say he's a sure.

Thing they're never sure things because it's college and you're going TO.

Nfl but it looks like he has all the tools to be helpful to any team he goes.

To almost right.

AWAY i want to say something real quick with what you, said is to super.

Smart so that's one of the things THAT i really picked up on this that he brings to the table is at.

Smartness and WHAT i mean is that somehow he will know when it's a run.

Play it seems like he just.

Knows maybe he's just that good at studying.

Film it looks like he has the answers to the.

Test there will be a run.

Play he is going downhill before that ball is, snapped or right when that ball is, snapped and it's not a.

Blitz he's not doing.

That he's fitting his run and he is getting down there, fast, quick and.

Violently on the flip, side he's excellent in.

Coverage he rarely gets caught going downhill and then somebody beating him over the top because he misread something that.

Happened his eyes are so good and the stats back me up on.

This zero touchdowns allowed this year with two.

Interceptions that's pretty.

Good he's also tied for seventeenth in college this year in coverage.

Snaps oh, really not just among, safeties all, dbs so he is covering players back.

There zero tds allowed this.

Year so.

There's something here with this.

Guy and he looks so, fluid he's, violent his eyes are.

Great it's one of those things WHERE i feel like if you Add Caleb downs to a, roster he's not just going to be a piece that fits in That he's going to be a leader on your, defense even at a young.

AGE i think that's, right AND i think you saw that With, Alabama like he's like no one starts as a fresh For Nick, sabit and he was one Of he started as a as a freshman safety in a very complicated defense down an all Of alabama For Nick sablem before transferring To Ohio.

States, so uh, yeah a lot of fun to.

WATCH i think, again like people, SAY i had people ask me like is.

He a post?

Safety is he a box.

SAFETY i just think you.

Want him near the line of scrimmage because of how effective he.

Is that like what you're, saying like diagnosing runs and playing man coverage against tight.

Ends BUT i think you can do.

Both like he had a great PBu Versus michigan where tight ends running a, dig he breaks on it and like basically beats the tight end of the.

Spot so like clicking clothes is very.

Good, again maybe you're a little bit concerned about the size being five to eleven being a box, player but he's well put.

Together, yeah he can get eaten up by a tight end in the run game sometimes HE'S i put this in the.

NEGATIVE i don't know if it's a.

Negative to be, honest he can.

Gamble, yeah he goes for things right to try and get that, ball and sometimes most of the time it works.

Out but like he does, GAMBLE i don't not everybody he wants.

THAT i don't.

Know, man THAT i, HEARD i think it was kind Of rogers on one of the pods say this about him is like some people are gonna he's gonna fall in the.

Draft probably kind Of rodgers was, saying this is the best player in the draft of, him but he's not gonna go number one.

Overall why, well because of position.

Value but at the end of the, day at some, point make up your, mind, like, OH i don't want to draft a safety in the top five or at number seven or in the top ten or.

Whatever but, man if you get the best player in the draft that could come out and be a leader, immediately that has all the tools you, need who cares about position value at that?

Point, YEAH i mean it would be very high to traditionally take it to a safety at.

Seven but, like when you see a guy that's this, good it just gives you a lot of confidence that he's going to make your.

Team but like you, said make your team instantly, better and so not a lot of.

Negatives, again like people can, say, oh he gets kind of locked up in the run game or, whatever he's not a.

Thing, man he goes for a big hit and doesn't.

Wrap but, again like all these, guys we're kind of, Nitpicking but.

That's what safeties.

Do they're gonna have a hard time in the run game against bigger body tight.

Ends but, again like he's a, Stud i'd love to see him here in The burgundy And golden all.

Right the next one that we have Is Mike renner over AT Cbs.

Sports this one's a, DEPARTURE i think from what a lot of people are, doing WHICH i kind of, like, yeah, again we're staying in the great state Of ohio.

State this is wide Receiver Carneal.

TAIT a lot of people have him as the top wide receiver in this, draft if not one, two where do you have?

Him what do you think about?

Him so right, NOW i think HE i definitely think he's a first round.

Player i'm having a hard time categorizing, him And i've always, been to be, Fair i've always had a hard time Categorizing ohio state wide receivers because they're just so much, Better like the offense is so much, better the team is so much better than a lot of guys they play they play.

Against and so he's, tall he's six.

THREE i want to say he's like two hundred, pounds two of five something.

Like, yeah right, there one ninety.

One, yeah so big, guy good, frame litle bit of a long.

STRIDER i don't see like this great short area burst with.

Him he is a kind of build up speed type of.

Guy you, know his drop rate decreased dramatically from two thousand and four to twenty twenty, five so obviously worked on that got significantly.

Better thank he only two drops this last, year has become significantly better in contested catch.

SITUATIONS i feel like he needs to lean on that skill set a little bit.

More He, AGAIN i think the Reason i'm having a hard time with him is because traditionally he's A he's the body type of a receiver THAT i really.

Like but ALSO i understand that the type of body type that's winning in THE nfl is not necessarily.

That it's more like these guys that are excellent, accelerators decelerators in and out of, cuts super.

CLEAN i, think like strong lower half Like Jackson smith And.

Jig But pukunukua that type of, Guy and so he's a little bit of a more traditional, mold AND i just, wonder and again this is where the.

COMBINE i don't even know if he's gonna, run BUT i just wonder how fast he.

Is that's the thing that comes out to me is LIKE i think he ran like a four to seven coming out of high, school which again is not people, grow they.

Change i'm not saying that's the, thing but not a super fast.

Player and so to, me he feels like a really good number.

Two and maybe here In washington that's fine because you Have terry McLaurin and you just have another weapon.

Here BUT i AM i don't see him as a GUY i would at right, now right, now a GUY i would take it.

Seven in last year's, draft where would you.

Put him with the receivers last, YE i don't even, Remember like it's let me pull up the.

Order, yeah but, again like he like, so he's, talented there's no doubt about.

It but it's just LIKE i don't know exactly like where he.

Fits oh so it was uh it Was tetro McMillan And golden right with the two other, Guys i'd probably have him behind both those players And mecca And buka with the other.

One LIKE i like him more than A mecca And.

BUKA i don't like him as much AS i Did golden And tetro.

McMillan i think a little bit of is BECAUSE i Love tetro McMillan's like ball.

CONTROL i, Thought, god, Yeah golden could run every single.

Route but, YEAH i think he'd probably the third guy for me in that.

Class, okay so it feels like maybe number seven is.

A little but, again like, we like you, said we just started watching these, guys so LIKE i want to GIVE i want to give myself that out is like half like because you, know LIKE i, said like the first watching Of Ruben, BAIN i was, like, EH i THINK i even had them like at a five and a, half which is not.

Great and Then i've changed it to a seven and a, half Like i've moved up Because I've i've watched.

MORE i like, HIM i understand his game a little bit.

Better and So i'm going to give myself a little bit of time here With carnel.

Tape but right now doesn't feel like a guy would ticket.

Seven, WELL i don't want it to feel like we're down on this.

Guy So i'm going to say just a couple of, things not that you are down, There but like you, said he is smooth when he runs, right he looks like a prototypical wide.

Receiver that you would want kind of on the outside, right because your ex wide receiver it's built like.

That you don't always get those guys coming around a.

Lot like WHEN i was going through watching all the, RECEIVERS i got through all of them that are at A Trin, bowl half that are going to be at The Senior.

Bowl there's a lot lot of guys at the same general like between five ten and six foot one eighty ish right somewhere in there that are slot guys that are cutting it.

Up there's not a lot of guys that are built like, this that run like, This so it's hard to find this kind of STEREOTYPICAL x receiver just in.

GENERAL i think he runs routes really nice and cleanly for as big as he.

Is you're, RIGHT i don't know how fast he.

Is it seems like you can get caught from, behind BUT i think he's.

But he does his.

Thing utilization is important with a, play like if you know what he, is, like it's, okay.

He does this thing THAT i really like that not a lot of receivers at The college leveill do.

That WHEN i watch is that if there's if the defense is in a zone and he's running through a, zone he will change his.

Acceleration there are a lot of young guys that'll get going and they're just one speed through it and it's like hit me in this.

Window but he will slow down and speed up based on the zone and what he's seeing around.

Him with it makes me think he's he's seeing.

It he's.

Smart he knows like there's something there to.

That and maybe that's like An Ohio state and sav.

Experience remember last, year like people weren't super stoked on A mecca And.

Buka but he obviously is a good separator and very productive at THE nfl.

Level here's here's the thing that really stuck out.

THOUGH i want you to talk about the importance of, it and then also how does this translate to THE.

Nfl he can go get the, ball right like the jump balls to contested, balls he can go get.

That he has an eighty five point seven percent contested rate.

Catch that means it's not a fifty to fifty ball when it's up.

There he can go get that.

Sucker, so, like how does THAT i know that that's kind of like a up there Stat like it's there's a lot of variables to.

That but we have a guy In terry where people have been, saying, oh that's a fifty to fifty ball and you get sometimes you get it more lucky than, others.

But there's there's a skill to.

It we see it With.

Terry so how do you take that a guy that can go get the ball and when the fifty to fifty ball and SAY i can expect something like this in THE.

Nfl, YEAH i think That's that's the thing for me is like another guy is Like Denzel, boston who is another, fifty very very high contested catch.

Receiver and the thing about college receivers traditionally for me is that if you're not a great, separator the contested catch number tends to come down because you get dbs at THE nfl who are better at playing the.

Ball they're, bigger they're, stronger they're, faster they're more, physical they play through the hands.

Better and SO i always get a little bit nervous WHEN i see big receivers who aren't great.

Separators they got to be, both, right because, again like there are guys who are just Like terry's a great example who can bring that skill set and keep cultivating it at THE nfl, Level BUT i do think that that's something that it's.

Awesome LIKE i love the concentration because the ultimate thing you have to do a receiver is catch the daggum, Football so catch the.

Ball love, that but also like what is our separation?

Rate like the one of the REASONS i Think Jordan tyson might be number one for me is like WHEN i watch, him he's got all the, tricks, stems double, sticks you, know the whole thing in terms of running.

Routes now that dude's been hurt four consecutive.

Years so, like nobody's a perfect.

Prospect Denzel boston little stiff, again some of the same things you're running To Cornel Taits so is there that?

True like one one receiver in this?

Class, No and does that help a guy like, This, yes who's incredibly, consistent very, solid gonna make the play when you need to make.

It, LIKE i think there is value to that type of, player and especially in a year that's kind of down at the top end of the receiving, CLASS i think it becomes even more.

VALUABLE i think the biggest thing for this kid That i'm gonna want to see IS i hope he runs at the.

Combine but if it's a spready or, whatever if he runs a good forty, right.

It's a good forty four year for, him like four, five four or five five.

You have four or, FIVE i would say four or five if he can run in, There, LIKE i think he's number one wide receiver prospect if he does.

That and then the other thing THAT i just won't know is if he interviews well and is a self starter and is like that dude in that, sense like once.

It if he does those two, things, LIKE i think this kid could be the real deal happy Meal, Hobnestly like he.

COULD i know you're saying he could potentially be a number two if he checks these boxes That i'm, MENTIONING i think he could be a number one receiver on the.

Team he's just got that, size that, movement the hands, right all the things that you want in a wide.

Receiver he's got.

Those not all super, polished but he's going to develop into.

That so if he can check off these, boxes it's worth that higher pick to.

Me but what DO i?

Know, yeah and we're gonna you, know be at the combine and talk to people out there and sometimes they're, like, oh, yeah you interviewed really, well or he's, this or is, that and so we'll be able to give you more insight on that once we get to the, combine which will be later in the.

Process all, right we're gonna do two more, here logan before we get to our fastest.

Forty the two THAT i have one.

Here nobody is mocked to, us but really, there, well nobody THAT i.

Saw i'm sure that there's somebody out.

There there's so many mock, drafts but none of the big ones.

Yet but they're floating right in that, area, Right they're right around where we.

Were so let's say somebody declares for the draft that we aren't expecting at a quarterback position or, something maybe gets knocked back a little bit and the draft ball is a little.

Different these guys are in that SEVEN i would, say six seven eight ish area as of, now.

Right so the first one is running back From Notre, Dame Jeremiah.

Love he is considered to be the best running back in this.

Class i've heard from others that he's the best running back process prospect maybe Since.

Bejeon so what do you think about?

That that's lofty.

Comparison we Watched bijon at The combine a couple of years, ago and that was like silky smooth water run It like does.

He look like that to?

You is?

RIGHT i mean, Honestly like you, Know bejeon was very, Talented so don't get don't misconstrued What i'm about to.

Say but he has a physicality to, him like when he runs a little bit of a wild horse to, Him like is he Jere?

Love?

Yeah love what they say his first Name, Jeremiah Jeremiah.

Love and he's got a wildness to, him like a he can't be.

Contained he seems like he's a much more explosive physical.

Athlete and he's you, know he's what is he six to, one six foot two hundred and twenty pounds something like.

That he's listening six foot two oh.

Six, yeah so he's a big old hoss man and he runs that way like he gets, downhill he can.

Catch the football out of the.

Backfield LIKE i really really like him as a prospect, again like we're talking about the, Grade like he's kind of in That Caleb downs area in terms of.

Like he's just is very very.

Good he's, physical he runs, hard he's, fast he's.

EXPLOSIVE i don't see him have a hard time catching the.

Football the thing THAT i have with running back is you better have the infrastructure to support.

Him, now In, WASHINGTON i would argue that we do because, again like we have an excellent offensive, Line we've got a great blocking tight, End we've got a senate who again can kind of play that f full back kind of.

Role don't Discount daniels in his running, ability.

Correct and so maybe you bring him in here and, say, like let this dude rush for fifteen hundred yards BECAUSE i think he's capable of.

That and when you look At.

Ben johnson's, offense you, know Obviously David blow is so familiar, there like the way they use running backs to create.

Mismatches that's a really interesting proposition for me here In washington with a guy WHO i think is maybe the best offensive skill player in the.

DRAFT i actually not even.

MAYBE i think as of the People i've watched right, now that would be one hundred percent.

True so, yeah outside of, quarterback, obviously.

Again what DO i.

Know i'm just a guy that watches.

FOOTBALL i have no you, KNOW i didn't play football at.

HIGHLIGHT i don't know Anything i'd rate him higher Than jent last year person.

Too, yeah, YEAH i looking at him so like he is he's the other blue chat Right kalem Downs Jeremiah love WHEN i watch, him, like, man you're right like.

Wild the WAY i described it is, creative right like in a way like he's.

Violent he runs, hard.

But reminds me a little bit Of adrian P.

Wiggly hips right hard to get Him, like he has a couple of runs where we're gonna say muddy a lot with running, backs but he just like veers just enough and just a little bit so it's still a straight, line so he's maintaining that, acceleration but he's wiggling in it just enough that it's people are missing or bouncing off of.

Him and it's really super.

Impressive he's got the.

Hands he's gonna be excellent in the passing.

Area it's not just a one trick pony.

There doesn't come off the field all that.

Much, Here i'm gonna give you some.

Stats you, Know i'm a guy that likes steps.

Stats so he's In missouri state one hundred meter.

Champ love that ten point seven to six.

Seconds pretty, Good pretty, good all, RIGHT pff grades not everything in the, world but they tell you a.

STORY a one twenty three point five elusive rating that's the best in the.

Class he is eighth and carries of fifteen plus yards twelve in yards after.

Contact you want to guess how many yards after contact he's had this.

Year i'm going to say a.

Lot it's eight hundred and ninety.

Six so you touch, him it doesn't.

Matter you'll still have a thousand yard.

Season and then he's been.

Consistent this is the one THAT i really.

Love in twenty twenty four and twenty four rushing, yards seventeen touchdowns on the ground this, year eighteen touchdowns on the, ground one hundred yards more, like just consistent And Notre dame played good talent this year and they know this is the.

Guy defenses know this the, guy and you just can't stop.

HIM i was about to bring that, up but it's not like gent where he's playing a bunch of smaller schools and really rocking up the.

Yards they Played miami this year and there were some absolutely terrible looks strawing the football intwo and this dude was a master of.

Creating whether he's breaking, tackles making people miss for five yard runs that just kept the offense on.

Schedule SO i think he's an absolute stud and, again like not the right fit for.

Everybody but if you, said, hey we're going to take him at, seven, DUDE i would get pretty excited about.

THAT i think any team would have a hard time not like getting excited about you being on your.

Roster like, again, NITPICK i want to nitpick everybody and make it seem like we're just glossing over.

EVERYBODY i think he could work on pass pro a little.

BIT i mean THAT'S i, mean you just described every college running back you, know but you know his route running is, Okay, yeah it's not great to tighten it.

Up, yeah.

Right and THEN i thought he could be just a little too aggressive towards a.

Whole if he's just a.

Hair, patient he is a.

Cycle it opens a little more easy to say, it but he's a cycle to the long, times it just.

Doesn't sometimes you're asking to take away from this to add to, this and maybe that's pulling away a super LIKE i Don't, AGAIN i don't know What i'm talking.

About those are just LITTLE i think you're, right AND i think like when like the rout running things an interesting talking point because he runs good routes for a, back but not necessarily good, routes and so like that's something that you're always.

Negotiating that's one thing that Makes christian McCaffrey christian McCaffrey is he runs good, routes.

Period, yeah, Right AND i do think that he and B John robinson runs good routes, period.

RIGHT i think he can get there under the right.

Coaching AND i think about what that weapon does for an offense if you can get him to that, level because he is, explosive he's.

Dexterous, gosh can he run?

Hard special football player for?

Sure all, right last one, here man back To Ohio state.

Defenses, YEAH i, know.

So the linebacker Rvel reese tell me a little bit about Rvel.

Reese so this one was tough for.

ME i THINK i texted g yesterday that it's been tough for me to watch.

Him SO i think when you watch the, highlights when you watch him spying a, quarterback running that dude down like a, wolf chasing down like a bit air, lion chasing down at, gazelle.

Like he looks the.

Part he is a stand up outside linebacker predominantly in the scheme At Ohio.

State he's just real, quickly give you a.

Pitcher he's.

Big he's six four two forty.

Three he can move like.

You, said, right he can absolutely haul like and again like most of his stuff of him as a, spy, right he plays an on the ball kind of sam.

Linebacker as a run, defender he's got good, physicality doesn't always use his hands the.

Best there are reps of him rushing the passer at a high, level but like so for, example Like Jayalen walker last year From, Georgia, yeah he would rush the passer a lot and he would spy the quarterback a, lot and there was enough there WHERE i was, like he will be a good full time edge in the.

End maybe not a good but he will be a solid full time.

Edge in THE.

Nfl.

YEAH i don't know If i've seen enough of that from r Vel reese to be like he will be a GOOD nfl?

Edge is that coaching not coaching holding them?

Back but They're WHAT i mean by coaching is, like we're putting him in these positions here and you would rather see him over.

Here But Ohio saint's going to do What ohios you needs to do with?

Defense but you just wanted to see more here and you wish to coach and gave him where of that?

Chance or do you think it's, like, well maybe he's limited there so we have to put.

Them, yes SO i think they just didn't rush him a, lot and SO i just want to see him on straight pass.

Rushing, yeah BUT i masking, like do you think that's because he doesn't have the juice era do you think that's just because hats How Ohio state needed to under?

Defense maybe chicken or the.

EGG i think it was.

More of a defensive, thing.

Honestly but he does have.

Juice he does have a good get, off he does have a good closing.

Speed he has elements of the things you're talking.

About it's just interesting to hear people talk about him and maybe this is where expectations are, important or not meeting expectations.

Important like people were talking about him as the best defensive player in the, class AND i was, like he's a guy that doesn't do the thing you're projecting him to.

Do he doesn't rush the passer consistently in the.

Defense there are reps of him doing, it but it's definitely Not Jalen, walker where it's like he's rushing the, passer he's working against.

Tackles you see the, bend you see the, moves you see what he's.

Got that's not what ar Val rees.

Does like his sacks come on blitzes from the interior and him spying a quarterback and then chasing the guy.

Down it's the athlete is one hundred percent.

There can you make.

A comp to THE nfl and who does?

That maybe not the size or anything like, that but that type of.

Position, yeah it's it's kind of Like Frankie luvu a little bit, Right like he's he's a better.

Blitzer, internally you're gonna use him as a.

Spy he's got a good closing.

Speed but and this is not necessarily the case For, frankie but WITH Rvl, reese when you put him at off ball backer next To Sunny, styles WHO i think is an absolute.

Stud by the, way the other.

Linebacker there WHO i am surprised is not in the conversation here at.

Seven maybe because he's an off ball linebacker position of.

Value that's a conversation for another.

Day but he doesn't look as locked in in those moments, right it looks like the space is befuddling to, him so you can't really play him off the.

Ball you gotta to play him on the.

Ball he hasn't rushed passer a, Ton so, like DO i think he's a first round, player first round?

Athlete absolutely?

Do is that SOMEONE i want take to take in the top fifteen or twenty picks of the.

Draft, Like i'm still on the fence about, it AND i got to watch way more.

Film on him to get some level of comfort with.

It this is a Guy i'm going to go back and rewatch a lot during this process BECAUSE i wrote in here my, NOTES i don't.

KNOW i don't even know What i'm looking for with this.

GUY i can't figure it out just watching.

It like the production's kind of there with six and a half, sacks and he just doesn't feel like he dominates, Correct but you can tell he's freakish, athletic and, LIKE i don't, KNOW i see all the, goods.

But when you watch the highlights of, him like the, pressures the, sacks you, say okay it just when you're in game Watching Ohio.

State there are other players that are way more impactful to that, defense and for a guy that's supposed to be again a top ten.

Pick but that's that's the Assertion i've heard from a lot of.

People like people aren't Saying washington's not going to take him at seven because he's not going.

High people are saying he's going to go Before washington picks at.

Seven, Right SO i JUST i have not seen that, player like for, example like WHEN i Watched Jalen, walker you know who got drafted out Of georgia a couple years, ago the defensive, end like he didn't play a, lot but like he did the thing you wanted him to.

Do he just wasn't overly productive Like Rvel reese doesn't do the thing you're expecting him to do and isn't crazy.

Productive so, again the athlete is one hundred percent.

There if you were coming TO Wa, WASHING i have one hundred percent confidence at the staff and a people figure out what to do with.

Him but right, now to your, point it's not clear that this is the dominant piece of the defense that everyone's kind of.

Touting he doesn't jump off Like KLi Caleb downs does in the same.

Offense, yes it just doesn't jump sorry.

Defense, Yeah SO i don't.

KNOW i think he's a really good.

PLAYER i see why people are projecting him to be because this is All you're not drafting the player, currently you're drafting what you project them to.

Be so IT i can see how people are projecting, them, yeah to, be but with.

Projections so that's the thing with, Projections i'm always, like usually you dock people points for that because it's a.

Projection it's one of the Reasons Jalen walker fell a little bit in the draft last.

YEAR i feel like they're pumping him up this year compared to last year with this very similar type of.

Player well maybe Because Jalen walker had a good season, maybe and it's, like, well we're going to learn something.

Here but this falls into that risk management thing for, me like there are a lot of.

Positives there are a lot of, positives but WHEN i watch, them like If i'm GONNA i don't know.

Like the other players like, That, like quite, HONESTLY i would Take Keldric, Falk David, Bailey Ruben, bain AND i would definitely take downs BEFORE i would take.

Him, well let me ask you an interesting, question because it's in my, Mind i'm trying to think about how it would be If i'm listening to this And i'm not in the, process and it's, like, man you, guys you guys are haters ON rvl.

Rees you don't think he's going to be any if you were picking at if you were picking at, ten is he?

In the conversation comes a little bit more appetizing, THERE i, think to.

Me so we're talking about the three spots in the, draft that's barely he's going to be in the top tier for, you right or not the, top.

But up, THERE i think it'll be a first round.

Player, like so to, ME i see a guy That i'm, like, Probably i'd say twelve to.

Twenty, again is kind of where we're talking in terms of.

Risk and again the draft is, funny like if he's your best rated, PLAYER i draft him at.

SEVEN i don't.

Care but it just when you watch the.

FILM i, again probably because everyone was hyping him up so, MUCH i don't see that.

Player AND i haven't come around on him, yet Like i've come around On Kendrick keldric Falk on Ruben, Bain LIKE i see what people are talking about.

Here i'm still trying to figure out exactly what we're talking about outside of the.

Athlete that's the Thing i'm having our.

TIME i feel like he's going to be My Mike green this year because last Year Mike green From, MARSHALL i was super high on him from the, beginning and Then Senior bowl.

HAPPENED i was a little low and THEN i came back, around and then WHEN i ended the show last, YEAR i was.

LIKE i Love, Michael yeah that was your PICK.

R it was just.

Yep it was just around and around and.

Around AND i feel like this Is reese is going to do this to.

Me he's going to be The he's going to be the guy That i'm constantly.

CHASING i just can't put a finger on.

It but there's he does have an it Where i'm intrigued AND i, REALLY i really want this kind of.

Thing So i'm going to keep investing in watching him and trying to learn and evaluate him because there's, something there's an it there that makes me want to do.

That BUT i don't know THAT i Personally jason will be able to put a finger on.

It, YEAH i definitely have not watched my last clip of our bell.

Rees you, know as of this, date like he's a guy that you just need to get in.

On Dug in probably watch you, know five or six games on just to get just to get a feel for.

It all, right, logan let's do our fastest forty then get out of, here, right all?

Right all, Right so our little segment here is the fastest.

Forty when we get to the combine will be super fast at.

This but right now we're just trying to get her our.

Feet weay a little, stretch a couple of, skips if you.

Will, yeah that's right.

Right get the hamstring nice and.

Loose all.

Right so what this is is that you're gonna have forty.

Seconds forty.

SECONDS i have a topic forty seconds to convince me one thing or.

Another the topic is when is the biggest lie about the draft process that everybody seems to?

Believe the biggest?

Lie are you?

Ready?

Set?

Go?

Okay the biggest, lie in my, opinion is that this is a.

Science it is more.

Science it is more art than science one hundred.

Percent AND i think this first segment that we did here in terms of mock draft, madness exemplifies that.

Perfectly it's like everybody does it a little bit.

Differently there's no archetype for the.

Position there are rules you try to give, yourself, measurables you try to give, yourself but ultimately sometimes you're just looking for a heck of a.

Ballplayer AND i think that's something that every year you have to fight right what the establishment, says what the science is, saying and what the film whats Your heart is telling.

You AND i think the idea that someone can be number one on your board and number thirty on my board is what makes this parts so.

Fun forty one point forty five, seconds we're getting there in the fastest Forty just to follow up on, THAT i actually was listening to The RINGER Nfl Draft show.

PODCAST i really like those.

Guys one of, Them Danny, horwitz was here In washington for a little bit of.

TIME i think he was an intern at one, point but, anyway, THERE i like.

Them they're fun to listen, to AND i listened to as much draft content AS i possibly.

Can one of the things they were talking about is just kind of an.

Aside is they there's some sort of competition that you can enter to guess draft picks right in the first round who's going, where and you get points where if you nail THE exac team and the and the spot and you get points where if they were drafted in The frost, round, Right and what they were joking about is that one of the guys forgot to submit it in, time but he was on a flight and he was like looking for something to.

Do he was, like, yeah i'll do one real quick thirty, minutes knocked one out and he got one wrong and.

He would have won the all.

Thing but the point that they were making is that's how unscientific this thing.

Is is, like, yeah he studied or, whatever and he just kind of sat down and was like this kind of threw pain at the wall and it was A picasso and, like sometimes it looks like my two year old's finger.

Painting sometimes it looks Like Jackson.

Pollock like we're all just throwing paint.

At the wall.

Here, NO i think that's absolutely.

Right and so again like that's what this.

Show hopefully we can kind of give you some insight on some of that.

Stuff and that's why we do this exercise with the Mock Draft madness and The fastest forty to got to bring up some topics that we think are relevant to the draft.

Process they're just important reminders for on that draft night when someone drafts a, name you're, like who the heck is?

That it's like that person you know for that, team that person fit the bill of that.

Moment thanks for doing this pod with me, Today, Logan you're my.

FRIEND i love painting with you, here AND i think today we put together a, nice Beautiful burgundian gold little portrait for our.

FANS i, hope hope, SO i hope.

So if we did, that please leave a.

Comment but that's.

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