Welcome back to Unapologetic Swingers.

I'm El and I'm the Tramp, and every single episode, I know I say it.

I'm gonna say it again.

This time we're just so thankful for everyone tuning in again and again as we explore the lifestyle, the highs and lows and everything in between.

Can I say it?

Yes, you may.

The good, the bad, and the ugly.

Yeah.

And today we would like to welcome a very sexy couple.

Mm-hmm.

Brady and Brie, who are in from out of town right now, and we're gracious enough to take time out of their little vacation to just sit down with us and talk with us about some of their own adventures.

Thanks for the invite.

Thank you.

It's good to be here.

Tell me where you came from.

We are middle of the country.

Okay.

Pretty conservative area mm-hmm.

Not a whole lot of play opportunities there.

And playing in our own backyard isn't something we would want to do anyway, so we travel.

Yeah.

And that brought us to Colorado from listening to your guys' podcast and going, we've never heard of a.

Lifestyle club in Colorado.

And so we started looking up the ranch and I made sure Brie listened to an episode and said, you wanna do it?

And we booked a trip and we came out.

And that was a month ago.

And that was just

a month ago.

And

then a weekend opened up now.

And I'm like, do you want to go back?

And we were back here three or four weeks later.

And before you guys came out, you reached out to Tramp

Negative, didn't you?

Oh, that's, no, that's not how it, oh my gosh.

No, no.

We were here.

Oh,

okay.

We did Thursday at the ranch.

We did Friday at the ranch.

We were getting ready for Saturday at the ranch.

Uhhuh a marathon.

Yes.

Well, you're gonna spend your time here.

You might as well.

Yeah.

Brie was tanning by the pool and I had my phone out and I don't think I list was listening to one of you guys' episodes, but I thought, Hey, we're going back there to tonight.

They always say at the end of the episode, Hey, if you're ever in town, look us up.

So I shot an email and said, tramp or l, we're in town.

We've been to the ranch a couple times.

We really enjoy it.

Thanks for giving us the heads up about it.

And if either one of you gonna be there tonight, we'd love to meet you.

And he did

not tell me that he was doing this.

No, she didn't know.

I didn't know about it until we were on our way to the ranch that evening.

He's like, oh, hey, by the way, I reached out and so we might see if we meet anybody there tonight.

Okay.

First of all, I'm really excited about the fact that we keep talking about the ranch and somebody made plans for it.

So you're welcome to Scarlet Ranch.

The whole reason new members came out.

The whole, the whole reason.

These are the first ones that we know about.

That's true.

Yes, that is absolutely true.

And we're

so excited.

You did.

Yeah.

It's a great place.

Brady reached out and that was a weekend when you and Jay were out of town.

Yeah, so

I had not had any original plans to go, but I figured if someone wants to meet us or at least me, then.

Why not?

I think it's fantastic.

It is.

That is so great.

Okay,

cool.

So then we, we were emailing back and forth on the time we were gonna meet, I don't remember, it was eight, nine, whatever.

And we were having conversations with another couple and things were going great.

Just like Thursday and Friday did, and all of a sudden I looked down and I was 10 minutes late past the time I was supposed to beat tramp, and I said.

I'm going over to Meet Tramp and, well,

you actually just disappeared.

Oh, okay.

I gotta go.

So I disappeared apparently and went and introduced myself to Tramp and we had a fine conversation.

I thanked him for introducing us to this place and doing the podcast.

'cause I know it's a labor of love for you guys and thanked him for doing it.

And he said that he'd like to.

Meet Brie and I looked over and she was still engaged in conversation with another couple, and I said, well, just gimme a minute.

I'll bring her to you here when she's free.

Mm-hmm.

And, I went back to Brie and when she got done with that conversation, I said, I just saw Tramp over there and I want to introduce you.

And your reaction was,

well, I was surprised.

Because you had disappeared.

So I, I had lost complete track of time and so was disappointed.

I'm like, you already met him.

But yeah, then he brought me over and I met Tramp.

I would like

to know your first impression of our handsome man here.

That was my first impression.

Yes.

Hello?

Tall and handsome.

Exactly.

Yes, exactly.

I was yeah, I was attracted.

Yeah.

Well, I have to break in real quick.

And say it's really awesome to think that people wanna meet us.

Yeah.

And especially just meeting you guys has just been nothing short of incredible, so thank you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He has had nothing but great things to say about you.

And I was bummed we were gonna be gone again this weekend, but I'm glad that you're here a little bit longer.

Yeah,

yeah.

We are too.

And we had no intentions of anything other than saying thank you and when Brie's blushing right now talking, talking about Tramp, I had no idea that was gonna happen when I, met Tramp, I, Hey, he's, Hey

dude, he's a dude.

Whatever sweetheart, come and meet him.

And they met and I'm like.

Do I see sparks there?

Were you,

were you drying the drool on the quarters of her mouth?

Well, I just,

we, he came over and we were in involved in kind of a group conversation.

Yeah.

And then, and I am

not a fire starter, but he is an igniter

Excellent, nice combination.

Yes, yes.

And we were in this like six person conversation and then I looked and.

It, it was more of a four person conversation and bringing tramp were on their own little two person conversation and are those little twinkles in their eyes.

And so knowing that she wasn't a fire starter, I said, you two need to get your first kiss out of the way.

I'm gonna go to the bar and I'm gonna let you two do that.

That is lovely.

That is so great.

And so I went to the bar and it was a busy night.

It's a Saturday night at the ranch and it was taking a while and so was their first kiss.

They kissed the entire time I was gone, I think, and I came back and we kept conversations and had a lovely night.

We did.

Yes we did.

Okay, I'm gonna stop you there.

And we were gonna pick back up on that, but I wanna find out how you guys got in the lifestyle.

Was it the fire starter?

Was the, the not fire starter?

How did you guys, and how long have you been together?

That's the other question too.

Oh, okay.

We

have been together for 31 years.

Okay.

We've been married for 31 years.

We got in the lifestyle for the life of us.

We've had conversations and we don't know who brought who.

Okay.

Into the lifestyle evolved.

It was really just evolved.

Yeah, it just really evolved.

We've been going to nude beaches for a long time.

I'm not a modest person.

I've never been a modest person.

Excellent.

And so kind of started with nude beaches and then I'm not a researcher.

Brady is more of a researcher, so he was looking up resorts where you could be naked, clothing optional.

So it transitioned into resorts and then at those resorts we were noticing lifestyle activities that were happening behind the scenes because the resorts that we were at turned a blind eye to that, but didn't want it like around the pool or in public settings.

So they were more naturalist or nudist centric?

Correct.

Okay.

Correct.

So then at our last resort that we were at, at Palm Springs, we had met another couple and they were telling us about Pearl.

Okay.

In Cancun.

So then Desired Pearl.

Exactly.

So then Brady started doing more research on that and we had always had a good sex life and we were always having fun fantasy talks.

And then we started looking up pearl, looking up lifestyle and thinking maybe we'd like to give this a try.

So we booked our first pearl.

Yeah.

And when we were at these nude resorts, and we'd see all of a sudden two couples go into one room, and then we would see four couples come out of a different room and Oh, wow.

And yeah, and it was like.

Whoa.

And first we'd give each other a, a look.

Did we just see what we thought we saw?

And then we'd go back to our own room and have some fantasies about that and talk about it and go.

And then it evolved to, do you actually think this is something.

We could do.

And, and then how

would we feel about that?

Yes.

How would you feel about that?

That's

always How would I feel about that?

What, I get from this is that there was some communication before they jumped in.

Yes.

But that conversation is always nerve wracking and you have to have utmost confidence in your relationship.

Agreed.

Right.

And when Bri mentioned that we can't remember for the life of us who started, who said it first of, okay, do we actually think we could do this?

But one of us must have because.

We ended up booking a trip to,

to Pearl and then our first trip was more of a recon mission.

Like what is this about what, just be in the background and get some Exactly.

Be in the background.

We did our fair share of Exhibitionism with just the two of us.

We enjoyed the cabanas a lot.

I imagine that got

some attention from the sexy Yes.

It did.

And yeah, you'd get so, and then you

get kind of a thrill of some these people are watching us.

Correct.

And even the next day at the pool, you guys put on a good show last night and it was like, oh, you were watching.

Excellent.

So yeah, those are always good for the ego too.

Uhhuh.

Yes.

And then towards the end of that trip, we weren't super social at the beginning, just, it was a recon mission, but by the end of the trip we were meeting some couples and.

Having conversations, but that was as far as it went with that trip.

But we got home and immediately booked a second trip.

When can we go back?

Oh.

Kind of like Denver.

When can we go back?

Right.

When can we go back?

I think because the desires plural, both RM and plural are just so sensual and sexy.

Mm-hmm.

People have to realize that it's not 100% lifestyle folks.

No, not at all.

You have to ask questions.

There are folks just like you guys were at that recon where you're just immersing yourself in the sexy environment, but it's just you two.

And I want to be blunt and say that is okay.

Yes, that is acceptable.

People are gonna be respectful when you say, yeah, we're, not, lifestyle.

We just enjoy the sexy, sensual environment.

I've had conversations, with people there and heard, we just like to be watched.

While we have sex, that does it for them.

Others go because they want to watch, because that's sexy for them.

There's some people that just like to be naked, and it's a very easy place to be naked.

And then you have the heavy duty lifestylers that are looking to play and have a good time and meet a bunch of people and get it on.

But it's a very, it's perfect,

very safe environment too.

Like, yes, we never felt.

Pressured, even at, the beginning when we weren't playing or we weren't.

We were just there as a, our first experience.

It was very comfortable.

That's nice.

And made us very excited to go back and our second experience was much different than our first.

Hmm.

Tell us about that.

We knew after the first one that we were.

Ready.

We had had enough conversations.

We had been at Nude Beaches, nude Resorts.

We had had sex in front of other people.

We knew that the lifestyle was something that we were ready to try.

And the diving

board was there and you guys were ready to jump in, right?

Yes.

And,

and so a little funny story about that is some of the boundaries we came up with for ourselves.

Mm-hmm.

Sweetheart,

we.

Table talked a lot of this before we went to our second vacation to Pearl.

We communicate very well.

And so we were coming up with all of these boundaries, all of these rules, and our most, I important rule was that we're never changing our boundaries, like mid play session.

But we also went into that first play session thinking that.

Everything that we had learned was you should go soft swap first.

And so we went into the soft swap and realized very quickly that we were ready for full swap.

But because of our hard and fast rule that we could not switch in the middle of the session, we both left there going, what were we thinking?

And that lasted all of one session.

And then we decided that we were no longer gonna make any rules.

Our rule was to have no rules, and we would debrief and download after and decide if there was anything we didn't, like, didn't sit well and determine rules that way rather than pre-make rules.

I think it's great going in with your boundaries and your rules and then evaluating and going, yeah, that wasn't as much fun as I think it could be, and changing it.

And, and you'll change'em again,

right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And,

and so now.

Okay.

In how long ago was this?

I didn't ask that.

It was

after COVID.

Okay.

And when the, gentleman mentioned Pearl, when we were at the nude resort, it was, things were starting to open back up.

So sometime after COVID is when that happened.

So now how many times have you been back to Pearl since that second time?

I don't know.

Yeah.

We've been fortunate to be able to travel.

Our kids have left the Nest.

Yay.

And we raised them successfully and they are two productive members of society.

And so we travel.

We have lots of free time now.

Yeah.

Yay.

Denver, Mexico.

All good.

So in your reevaluating and the evolution of your play style, what are you currently, like?

How do you play now?

We're a full swap couple.

We're pretty much down for whatever.

But typically, we are couples only.

With one exception, the ones, the ones sitting across from you here,

that would be good.

And that was because of the chemistry from the get go?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And usually at the, at resource and stuff that when they ask what your dynamic is, yeah.

They, kind of tend to look at the guy that for whatever reason.

And so I'm usually the one that answers that.

And I say, we're a full swap.

Condom only, same room couple is, is what our general play style would be, defined as And, we have done some house parties where we've been

lost each other separated, correct.

Yeah.

Just a room away.

But for the most part that's how I would define our play style is same room condoms only couples.

Okay.

But we have found, obviously, with one exception that an MFM is, is works enjoyable, is enjoyable.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Especially with someone very attentive Right.

And caring and exceptional.

Mm-hmm.

You are exceptional tramp.

I would agree.

And then we've also found that we really like Mor sums.

Yes.

Yes.

Right?

Yes.

Where you don't really necessarily know what's going on or who's touching who, but it all feels good.

Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Yes, yes,

yes.

We didn't, or orgy, someone invited us to an orgy and it sounded two seventies yucky to us.

I love the term morum, and then said morum, and yes, that's it.

I, and what's a morum?

It's, it's any more than four.

It's more than exactly more.

I think we

made that good.

Kind of, yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Okay.

Conclusion

of one of'em too.

Yeah.

So we like couples, we liked, you know, getting a connection with a couple and getting to know'em, and then playing with'em and having.

Keeping connections, going with texts and stuff like that.

But we also like the occasional morum where there's just a bunch of sexy people doing a bunch of sexy stuff.

So I'm gonna ask this question for Jay'cause I know he is gonna ask, how do you feel about another couple and maybe an exceptional single man?

I'm just gonna ask, not off the table interested.

I would say

no, that's, yeah, that's a one rule of ours is that nothing's off the table.

Hey.

Okay.

And hopefully we will, we'll get to it, but that's, well, I'll just do it now.

We communicate really well.

Yeah, and we communicate.

Perhaps some would even say over communicate, but before any play session, we pull each other to the side and we use.

Actual words.

Mm-hmm.

And talk like adults and say, is this what you want to do?

And we both read each other's body language really well, but just so there isn't even the slightest chance of a misunderstanding.

Right.

Is this what you want to do?

Are you willing to play with him?

Are you willing to play with her?

Am I?

Are you want me to?

No, it's

taking one for the team.

Correct.

And we get it down and once we have that conversation and we'll always excuse ourself people ask us'cause to play.

I think so.

But give us a minute.

And everyone's been respectful and we go off and talk.

We get our alone time.

We ended it with an amazing kiss and we head off to our play session.

Now, I would say that just speaks to the strength, the foundational strength of your guys' relationship is having that you say over communication, but I don't think that's possible.

No.

Well, good.

You make sure that both of you guys are on board and there's no question that Bri may say, well, you know, I wasn't really into it, but you were really into it.

So I just kind of held on and went with it.

No, that's incredible.

Now, the only thing I will say is I'm glad that you guys put a time limit when you say, Hey, we'll be back in two minutes because of, as oftentimes will happen in the lifestyle, you'll have a couple that say, Hey, we'll be right back and then never see'em again.

Kind of an Irish goodbye.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Now have you come across a situation where.

You guys went off to have your two minute conversation and one of you said, I don't think it's in me tonight to be with this person.

We have not.

Okay.

No, and I, I, I think it's probably gonna happen.

I, I sure it is, but it, it hasn't

happened yet.

We're good enough at reading each other's body language and.

That hasn't happened every time.

It's been, I'm good.

Are you good?

Alright.

Because I love you.

You're good in that conversation.

Yes.

And right.

And then it's also just we like to reconnect after, but it's our connection before too.

Yeah.

I love you.

Go ahead.

The time of your life, I'm gonna have the time of my life and release to the pleasure you're gonna have.

And that works really well.

I love that.

Honestly, I, I wanna add that into JN r's.

Situation.

I mean, we'll always when we get in the car and we're heading wherever it is, even if it was on the cruise and we're getting ready to go out to dinner.

But it's, let's have fun.

But I like the kiss before.

So you have that last connection and then release to go have that enjoyment.

Yeah.

Well thanks for saying that because when Tramp asked us to be on the podcast, I was like, what can we bring?

We don't, and then I thought then, then thinking to all of'em going, I don't think they've had one that.

It has a couple that's been married 31 years and has been close to get together as long as us.

And so maybe we can give some insights onto some of our communication styles that might help some other couples and and stuff.

So that was kind of the reason I, that we agreed to come on and talk about our experiences.

Well, I would say everyone has something to add no matter how boring you think your journey may have been.

Exactly.

Every journey is going to be unique.

And I guarantee there's gonna be another couple out there listening to this exact episode saying they are just like us.

Mm-hmm.

There are other people that have gone through all of this just like us.

This we are not unique in the sense, yeah, but are everyone's.

Journey.

Uniqueness is and

story is unique.

Yeah.

Right?

Yeah.

You guys have had on so many cool guests that I was like, what can we bring to it?

Why does he wanna have us on?

What, what are we gonna talk about?

Because it doesn't feel unique to you, right?

It's just your story and it, but, and thinking more about it, going, oh, this story would be pretty fun to tell.

This story would be pretty fun to tell and going, Hey, maybe we actually do have some stuff we could contribute.

I think everybody does.

It's been my favorite part of this whole process is getting different people on, we met so many people on the cruise that we were talking to, and just to have that connection and be able to get the different people on it.

Just that just thrills me.

Absolutely.

Thrills me.

It

really is.

And just like you guys reached out, I cannot tell you how much I appreciated that.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

We were on the cruise and talking with a couple, and Jay mentioned, the podcast as Jay tends to do as he does, he's so good with that.

But he does it, and I, he's like, she's on a podcast.

I'm.

Yeah, I guess I am.

That's right.

But they went, oh my God, that's you guys.

We listened to you.

That was great.

I'm like, oh my heart.

Yay.

So tell me a few good experiences.

Tell me a good experience that you've had over the years.

We have been so fortunate to meet couples we have probably three really close couples.

Internationally even that we have made such great connections with and stay in contact with.

And just really genuine friendships at this point we traveled to see them and just the absolute genuine friendships that we've made that have been really amazing, like we found our people and mm-hmm.

Have made some really good connections.

That's a always something kind of cool when, when you're first entering into the lifestyle environment and you have that moment where it just clicks.

As you said, Brie, we found our people.

Yeah.

Yes, for sure.

And we are way more into.

Quality over the quantity.

Even though we do have to travel to play, we are perfectly content going to a club or going to Pearl and not playing with anyone.

Right.

If it doesn't work out, we are not DTF.

No matter what if we don't have a connection, it's not gonna happen.

And when we do have that connection, it tends to last and we exchange phone numbers and mm-hmm.

And all of a sudden we're texting each other all of a sudden.

Well, let's meet in Arizona next month.

Right.

And, and we're doing it.

And so some of our best experiences to I think, answer kind of your original question has been in some of their, or our hotel rooms where we, get a hotel room with two beds and seeing Bri on the bed next to me with the guy having an absolute blast and me on the bed with a beautiful woman and just having the time of our lives.

Just the connections.

And we have been fortunate to have had so many organic play

mm-hmm.

Experiences and that has been wonderful and just natural and at ease

so what you're ultimately saying is it's best not to go in with any sex expectations.

Yes.

Yes.

L uses that word a lot.

I do.

I try to say it and I I get it right about half the times every time.

I'm sorry.

You are not l No, I just get, it's not much.

Not my word.

I think I stole it from another podcast at some point.

Are you at, at home?

Try saying it and I bet half of you will screw it up because sex expectations is not an easy word.

It does not roll off the tongue.

Doesn't.

No, no.

Okay.

So yeah, we, we don't go into any with any of that.

And if it works out, it does.

But we have been very fortunate and I think half of it is because breeze.

The most beautiful woman in the room most of the time, and she is beautiful.

We get a fair amount of attention and we've been lucky enough to most of our trips end up with some fun stories out of it.

Mm-hmm.

You're making me blush.

Wow.

You look beautiful with the blush too.

Okay, so not everything can be perfect.

So what are the stories that.

Gave you the experience to go, okay, maybe we don't need to do that again, or

mm-hmm.

I think everyone has them to a certain extent.

Something.

Yeah.

Even with all the communication and everything else, there's gonna be at least one experience that most likely kind of falls flat.

Yeah.

We gave a little bit of thought to this and Brie actually.

Explains it a little bit better than I do, or has an easier time talking about it.

So I battle some PTSD issues, from previous time in my life.

So that's caused some issues for us in the lifestyle that we didn't see coming.

And, and Bri can you talk about that?

It's,

yeah.

It's.

At, any of the clubs or anything, you go down into the play areas and they're dark and they're dimly litt.

Mm-hmm.

And it's unfamiliar or even going to hotel rooms mood lighting things sometimes jump up and grab him out of the blue and put him in a hyper aware state.

Mm-hmm.

And we didn't anticipate it at the beginning of our lifestyle journey.

And so then the first time that it happened.

He realizes that he just becomes hyper aware of where are the exits?

Who is in there, what are they doing with Brie?

Where is she?

Is she safe?

Am I safe?

And that is a huge mood killer, and sometimes unrecoverable, especially at the beginning, to try to move back into a zone of comfort to be able to do any type of playing or to.

To have any kind of fun or enjoyment for the evening, but we have been successful in coming up with strategies to mitigate that and including conversations that we have had with each other that in those situations, just in general, that he doesn't have to be hyper aware of my safety or.

What I'm doing, that I am capable of taking care of myself in that situation so that he can enjoy himself fully rather than worrying about my safety or who's doing what with me.

Am I comfortable that I will be an advocate for myself, and then that knowledge has helped him as well.

That was huge in getting me to get over that hurdle because I felt like I needed to watch her.

I needed to be the one to protect her.

If anyone was doing anything inappropriate, Vincent, or passed her her boundary, and she convinced me I got it.

And I've seen her do that so I'm comfortable with that we have been okay with a few house parties where we lose sight of each other or in different rooms, and I never thought when this PTSD issue jumped up and grabbed me as part of the lifestyle that I'd be comfortable playing anywhere that I couldn't see Bree.

If I couldn't see Bree.

I wasn't in the mood and it was an immediate erection killer, and it's hard to get that back once it true.

And then there,

there, there were a couple.

Incidents, not incidences'cause nothing happened, but where something was happening with me and another gentleman, and Brady was, perceiving that as something too rough or surely I was not enjoying myself and he was feeling that.

But didn't intervene.

And then afterwards on the download and discussion on the way home was saying that guy was a minute away from getting pounded and I said, are you kidding?

That was my favorite part of the night.

I would've been so upset if you would've stopped.

So there's been a learning curve with that, that he can't necessarily assume.

What my experience is in the moment based on what he is seeing with his eyes.

So that has been a learning experience.

So he

has to trust that you'll use your words.

Yes,

yes.

This was a few years back, but at that point, so we had been married 28 years, and I had no idea that she enjoyed having her hair pulled and that's what was happening and he was pulling her hair, and I'm like, I don't like how that looks.

And.

I was about ready to pummel him and, and then we get the car.

I'm so bummed and she's like, that was amazing when he was pulling my hair.

And so I learned something new about my wife that now we incorporate into our sex life.

I do not like to have my hair pulled.

It's good to know.

And

Brady, I think just from getting to know you guys over the last month that.

Now you find yourself in a very naturally coersive position you really make it a point to make sure that Brie is having a fantastic time.

Without a doubt.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's, and

that's, in my personal opinion, that is just amazing.

Just phenomenal growth.

Yeah, thanks.

In everything.

She's my number one.

Her safety, her happiness, her pleasure is more important than mine, and I love seeing her happy and I need to make sure she's safe so if all those things align and we're with an attractive couple, we get to have a lot of fun and we get a lot of stories out of it.

As Bri said about the download, we love getting in the car and okay.

What was your best part?

Who, and just it is just blabber, blabber all the way back to

sometimes for days.

Yes.

I love it.

Brady and Brie, thank you for being vulnerable and sharing that.

That's not an easy thing, but you really, brought to where it doesn't always gonna be perfect, but you talk and you get through it and maybe find those tools to feel better about it when it's you're in that situation.

Thank you.

Yeah, I

agree.

You're, you're welcome.

And we did come up with a code it's kind of a, we call it the nuclear option of.

If I'm really in a bad place a way that I can squeeze her in a certain part of her body, and that means time to go, time to go, I need you.

We need to go and

and sometimes it means we just need to reconnect with each other and it's recoverable.

And sometimes it's the night's over.

We need to, we need to call it,

okay,

good for you guys

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You had mentioned at one point, and I wanna hear you have a funny little story Yeah.

About a play session.

Yeah.

We were at a club and there were no private rooms available.

And, and it was one where exhibitionism is pretty common.

And so Bree and I were sitting next to each other and we were, you know.

On a couch.

On a couch stroking each other, and a guy came up to me and said, can I watch?

And I said, sure.

And so he sat next to Bree.

And then it was B Brie and then me.

And then before you know it, Brie climbs on top of me and we're going at it.

And

I was straddled.

You were straddling me and going hard at it.

And I looked at this guy that I had given permission to watch, and he was literally in the catcher's position.

In between

right behind me.

Right.

I had no idea he was there until afterward.

Right behind you.

So you didn't feel the breath, but you knew it wasn't far.

There's a wre.

I, I looked to the left and I saw he wasn't there, and I looked down and went.

Is he right there?

And he was, and I go for it, dude, if that's your thing.

And he didn't, he never touched her.

He never touched me.

So we kept going and then we finished and he left at some point and I said, didn't you think it was weird how close that guy got?

And she goes, I.

I didn't know he was there.

I and I go, yeah, he was right in between your legs.

He was an inch away from you.

So that one was, yeah, pretty humorous to talk about on the way home.

So I'm thinking next time your communication is yes, you can watch from here.

Yes.

That would be a better idea live and learn.

Boundaries.

Boundaries.

Yes.

It's, funny in those types of events where.

You, you're right.

Some people you may give permission and you're thinking something in your own head, but just as this gentleman thought, his idea of watching was quite a bit more, intense up close and personal.

Yeah, for

sure.

Well, okay, I know we're getting close to wrapping this up, but since I was not here this weekend and I haven't heard any of the stories, I know that the three of you got together at the house.

The other day and did a little bonus episode.

So that is going to be played the following session after this.

Mm-hmm.

And you do talk about some of your playtime, but I just kind of wanna know in general, like coming back this time, you all know each other, you're comfortable.

It sounds like you had an intense week, and what can you share with me about that?

Can you get steamy at all?

Need some sassy saucy stuff.

It has been a fun weekend for me.

I have been a very spoiled woman this weekend.

We, we played with Tramp on Friday.

Mm-hmm.

And we

had a very sexy date on Friday.

Yes.

And we talk about that in the in the bonus episode.

Episode.

Okay.

So we'll hold off on that.

So you'll enjoy hearing that we had a sexy date and then ended up with some amazing playtime and we thought that's how much we'll play with Tramp on this trip.

'Cause couples is our dynamic.

And so we went to the ranch on Saturday with the full expectation of looking for other couples and meeting other couples.

Sure.

And

I think I also, I wanted to interrupt just real quick, Brady, and I apologize.

Oh please.

I think I, after Friday, I made it also very clear that I'm not here to monopolize.

I love that you guys came back and we were able to spend some quality time together.

If we get to play again, fantastic.

But don't feel like you need to hold out for me since all of us, were going to meet at the ranch anyway, if nothing else, just to say hi and to introduce you to some of the other regulars.

Yeah, a

hundred percent.

That is just part of what makes you excellent.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

He made that

perfectly clear.

And then he did introduce us to some regulars and we became mm-hmm.

You know, friends with them and we ended up visiting with for a few hours and we

ran into each other at the ranch.

We had some time together.

Then we mingled lost track of each other for a few hours and then.

We found each other again.

And Tramp had already warned us that he had an early morning on Sunday, so he wasn't gonna be there very long.

So it was in one of those times that we lost track of each other.

It was 11, 11 30, maybe midnight.

And hadn't seen him thought, oh, he must have left.

He has to get up early tomorrow morning.

Oh, well, we'll text tomorrow and see if he's coming for Sunday.

Fun day.

Mm-hmm.

And then.

1230 or so, we saw him

Yes.

And we had made a connection with another couple and we're visiting with them and you were getting along very well with the woman.

And so I had given you a little space to visit with her and snuggle with her and things on the couch.

And then I reconnected with tramp at the bar which was very sexy and it was.

And we were kissing and rubbing and I was very turned on and thinking that yes, I definitely would like to play again.

You weren't the only one, by the way.

And it was also very late, and I remembered Tramp saying that he needed to get to bed early.

We were gonna go back over to where Brady was on the couch and he was still sitting with this other woman.

And so I took advantage of that with Tramp at the bar.

Excellent.

And we thought the night was leading towards playing with that couple, and we thought that's probably where the night would end up.

But as.

It progressed and Brie went and had those conversations and then came back and talked to me and it was like, she's got, a better plan for us.

And the night changed and we did not end up doing a couple swap.

We ended up going down into a playroom with the three of us.

Very late, so late that the lights came on.

And

I believe at that point, 30 minutes get

out.

I think I We didn't even have 30 minutes.

No,

she, she was.

One was open and we said, is this open and free?

She goes, yes, but you only have 10 minutes.

You have 10 minutes, and clothes could not come off fast enough.

Oh my God.

And we were losing clothes and no, we didn't.

10 minutes went extremely fast.

And then they flip all the lights on and they turn off the music, make it as unsexy as they possibly can, and they start saying it.

Wrap it up.

Everybody wrap it up.

You're done.

Every, and we're like, this sucks.

Mm.

Ww right.

And this is not how this is gonna end.

So we,

so we made a, the, a quick decision of how we were gonna remedy this.

And luckily our hotel is a ranch sponsored hotel.

Yep.

And it is only a few blocks away.

That's

great.

And so we got.

Semi dressed.

Got as dressed as we had to to get outta there and not get arrested and I think we might have broken a few speed limit laws and we got back to our hotel and continued

and that's where the night ended and continued with a bang.

Mm-hmm.

There you go.

Continued the, A couple bangs.

Yes.

A couple banks and that's where.

The experience that continued and we had an amazing play session and we were all laying on the bed afterwards and we looked and it was almost 4:00 AM Oh

my gosh.

Yes.

I think I said I don't even want to know what time it is.

It was so late that.

I asked Tramp to text me when he got home to make sure he made right.

Which isn't very far

from those hotels, so.

Right, right.

But come sunrise.

I may have been dragging tail, but I guarantee you I was smiling.

And Did you make your early appointments?

I did.

And then you guys wound up at the Sunday fun day?

We did.

Yes.

End up at Sunday.

Fun day.

I was being powered by, at that point, adrenaline and copious amounts of caffeine.

You have done that before.

I know.

You can do it again, you

rally.

Mm-hmm.

And it was enough for another amazing afternoon.

Oh.

Sunday fun days are really fun at the ranch.

They do a good job with, it's a completely different en environment.

Everyone's not, dressed in all the sexy gear.

Everyone's just come as you are.

Yeah.

And everyone's super friendly hair, a ponytail and

mascara on their lashes.

That's about all you need.

Yes.

Yeah.

So it, we enjoy our Sunday there and we did it Sunday last time we came, and I think we'll make that part of every trip that we come out here

for sure.

For sure.

I refer to it as adult summer camp.

I like that because that's the feel.

It's a good description.

Right.

You know, people playing games, hanging out, talking, smoking on the hookah, just, you know, whatever goes and you just be

absolutely.

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We're so excited that these guys decided to come and do a couple of podcasts with us.

Thanks again for the invitations.

Yeah, it was very fun.

Yeah.

Actually, we'll give you guys the chance.

We'll do a super short a MA.

How about that?

Okay.

And this is just off the cuff.

What questions, if any, and nothing's off the table, would you have for us?

Sure.

All right, tramp, if nothing's off the table now that you're in a lifestyle as a single mm-hmm.

Which is fairly new to you, what dynamic would you prefer A MFM or a FMF?

I'll be honest here, I have yet to have a true FMF.

I've had multiple MF.

S.

Mm-hmm.

You know, two males or male?

Female.

Male.

But never have I been the center of attention.

Oh.

In it pure form.

Oh.

So we put a dare out there to the ladies

that are around him to maybe two of you.

Saddle up to him.

Feel good From past permission episodes from

from past episodes.

I have to say, I think the female form is absolutely gorgeous.

So to have two females also engaging in each other is just very erotic to me personally.

Yeah, of course.

I don't want to be left out, but,

oh, I don't think you will be.

I don't think you will be.

So ladies, I think that you've got your, your dare.

Yeah, let's do it.

The gauntlet has been dropped.

That's it.

That's

it.

Alright, so if any of you have questions, AMAs or ideas for the podcast or wanna be on it, we'd love to hear your story.

Drop us a note at unapologetic swingers@gmail.com

Of course.

And our.

Website is also unapologetic swingers.com and wherever you happen to be listening to us, the biggest ask we have is leave us a review.

Yes.

Or

just drop us an email, especially just as Brady and Brief found out.

Reach out to us.

If you happen to be visiting us here in Colorado, we would love to meet you guys.

Yeah,

absolutely.

Well, until next time, I'm l

and I'm the tramp.

Be sexy,

be confident,

be unapologetic.

Okay.