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Welcome to you Ain't seeing nothing yet the Movie Podcast.

We're our chat to a movie lover about a classic or beloved movie they haven't quite got around to watching until now.

In today's guest comedian Troy Kenney, all below, I want.

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Last week, of course, your three favorite films were Boogie Knights, Dirty One, Scandals and Donny Brasco.

It was really a lot of fun talking about those three films.

Great films.

But now it's the moment of truth you have picked and actually Juggernaut.

Like I said, it's hard to imagine or think of anything that's had left a bigger footprint in the pop cultural landscape than Harry Potter over the last thirty years.

Of the amount of eight movies, Harry Potter movies and the Fantastic Beasts franchise, you know, obviously the books, the plays, it's huge, It looms large there wouldn't be very few people in the world wouldn't know who Harry Potter was.

It's probably the Star Wars of you know, this generation.

So yeah, no Press to Troy.

Directed by Chris Columbus, of course, starring Daniel Redcliffe, Emma Watson, Rupert Green who have since become household names, many many more.

We'll get to the cast, I'm sure soon.

But did you enjoy Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone?

I did, and I was I wish I had watched it when it first came in because it is a film where I mean, in the first few scenes I was I was sort of kicking myself.

I'm like, oh, I would have really got into this when I was around the hype of it.

So I did feel silly that I hadn't seen it, and that's why I picked it, because you know, there's a few other films I've seen that are, you know, not as popular.

But I thought, I've got so many friends or people in my world where this is their favorite film.

Yeah, and it's so weird that I hadn't seen it, And yeah, I can admit I get what the hype is.

Have you, I know, you just watched it last night.

But last week you did mention that there were some times where you almost had tricked yourself into thinking you had seen the film.

Have you made a few calls or do you plan on making a few calls going listen now, I actually have watched it, and you know what, it's pretty good.

I'm scared of people hearing this because I have, like we said a bit last last time, I've done so much touristy things to do with Harry Potter and played the role of someone who loves Harry Potter by photo in front of the tree, which I still don't know what the tree is.

That's obviously coming up in a sequel that I have to watch.

I've I think I sent you a video of the nine and three quarters platform, but the train station have been there, and I've gone into Harry Potter stores and bought gifts for friends like nephew and two young girls that live next door to me, And so I've seen all these things and now finally they're making sense.

Like why I remember we did it was in lockdown we did you could do the test to see what house you were, and I got slytherin.

Oh yeah, and the girls from next Door with oh, so I went, ah, yeah, that's a shame.

I've got no idea what it meant.

Now I get it.

So yeah, I've been living a life for a long time.

I'm gonna have to come clean.

Or I could just like double down and start up the conversations again with a bit more confident.

I just want to circle back to that conversation we had seventeen years ago.

Well, let's I saw so.

I saw this film when it came out.

Obviously there's a lot of you know, it was huge.

It was absolutely massive.

The film came out.

My when you told me you wanted to do Harry Potter, I was a bit like, but I love the story you had around it one because I was like, well, it's a bigger book than a movie.

And then I spoke to a friend about it and they said, no, it's it's a big enough movie.

And you yeah, there's broken records and it was nominated for Oscars and it's certainly beloved.

If it's not a classics, I've been on the Harry Potter ride at Universal Studios.

It's a big movie.

People know about it.

Yeah, nobody's going Harry Potter World.

That is googling Harry Potter right now.

It's going to catch up.

What's this movie they're talking about?

But I think for me, it it left me and I was looking forward to watching it again to see, okay, I haven't watched it since it came out.

Maybe I try to give it another go it lets it leaves me a little cold, because it kind of I feel, And I preface it by saying, I think I said it last week, but I'll say it again.

I'm so glad Harry Potter exists, and that I'm so glad that people love it, you know, that it got kids reading and then and then if then if they love the movies, it maybe got people going to the cinema, you know.

So I there's nothing that I have against Harry Potter, you know, I just kind of felt like it's got one foot in the kids movie camp and one foot in the kind of adult camp.

And obviously they develop as the series goes on, so they do age up, so it does get done as the kid's going to get older, which I think would be like, what your points are a really good one?

Like I was, you know, twenty seven, twenty eight, when the movies come out you know, so.

I was twenty three when Harry Potter came out.

Yeah, so it's not it's not the age.

And now that I think of it, all the friends I have where it's their favorite movie, they're probably you know, almost ten years younger than me.

Yeah, so it's their prime pickings for Yeah, it's it's their Goonies, is Harry.

Yes, exactly right if you watch Goonies yea even now and they are remaking it, which you know, we will see how it works out.

But yeah, I can understand it.

You may not love Goonies, yeah at all.

Yeah.

Because also the special effects.

I was like surprised last night going they're not as good as I kind of remembered and have reasons.

Chris Columbus, the director, who he was not happy with the special effects.

He said they felt rushed and he made sure they had more time for the follow up from the Chamber of Secrets, but it went under to be nominated for the best effects of it.

What Hell like Jurassic Park had come out then that was sort of the first cgi of moving what.

A Star Wars The star was prequeenly started so.

Terminated too had been like here, so they really should have up the game with the special effects.

Yeah.

The technology was there.

Yeah, and I was kind of had this feeling that it was all to me.

It feels like it's all been done on a sound stage.

Nothing feels real with that, and I was surprised doing some research there were quite a few real locations actually used.

There's a little USSI connection actually, the the grigots with the things.

The bank is actually the really Australian High Commission in London.

So but it just felt like everything was on a sound stage.

Even when they were outside, they were never really outside.

Interesting you say that because now looking back, I'm having the same feelings because I said to your last time that when I was trying to work out why I hadn't watched it, because I found a confusing that I wouldn't watch a film that everyone's going on about because that's sort of my main hobby and I've never been attracted to period pieces in film, and in my head, I always looked at this as a period piece, even though it's not.

I mean period pieces that are sort of you know, back like down to the Abbey time.

Yeah, I like it when it's in a world where I can relate to and I feel like when I started watching Harry Potter, I'm like, oh, this is you know, it's a kid living in a Bristol or something, and it's like a kid's dream that you get a letter that you're going to be going to a wizard.

Yeah.

I was so into all that aspect of it.

Then when they get there, and like you said, it starts to become unfamiliar.

They're in a world where the creatures are coming out, and I just thought I start to detach a bit from it there.

I like when it was still a boy who's like finding this as mysterious as I would in real life.

But then suddenly it just it became when they get to where they're playing the chess game, I'm like, this has now just become episodes of task Master just loading them up with and they were getting weirder and weirder.

Where I guess I like it if it's said in a bit more reality.

Yeah, it's fascinating, that, isn't it, Because you would think that then going to Hogwarts, you know, a wizard school that and there are fascinating things that happened that that would that that should be really tantalizing and fascinating and thralling, but you didn't find that at all, Like, yeah.

Like at the start when he's at the zoo and the snake acknowledges him and he is like, oh my god, I was so into that.

That was cool and because he's doing the same emotion I would.

And then by the end there's a you know, Voldemort was talking out the back of a guy's head.

It's like, well, now this is we've jumped like ten rungs on the ladder.

It's a bit silly.

Now talking snake I can relate to.

But I just I don't know.

I went into a world of monsters and rather than magic.

Yeah, yeah, the captivating stuff that you'd sort of relate to wizardry.

But when it sort of just became like I feel like they're just in a boardroom, right, think of something scary?

Bang?

All right?

Done?

Yeah, they felt like there was a bit of ticking of boxes going on this, you know, like it's a this does set up the series, and I think it does.

Listen, I think it does a pretty good job.

Like I'm going to put my little indifference to the movie aside and focus on what they do.

Well, I don't want to stand leaving another.

We've got to listen to five experts.

But yeah, also, I think before I move on to the more positive stuff, I really like Daniel Raycliffe, Emma Watson and Rupert Grint.

I think I met Daniel Radcliffe a few times.

I don't think I've met the other two, and he's one of the loveliest people considering the life he's gone and been cast.

His parents are really reluctant to have him be part of this movie.

Christopher Columbus saw him in a film and really he really wanted him and that his parents were like no, they're very protective obviously, and they're like, no, it's not for him.

They auditioned.

They feel the same way.

Yeah, I know.

We imagine there's room for another Harry on an extension on the.

Third hour, five thousand Kids.

They audition and the carting director is starting to get a little bit frustrated with Christopher Columbus because she just thinks he's just got his head set on Daniel Radcliffe that he can't see anyone else really, so that would be frustrating if she if she knows that Daniel Radcliffe is unavailable, but he's just like, no, no, I can't move on.

And then one day the producer this is the story, you know, it happens to go see a movie with one of the casting director or maybe in Christopher Columbus and Daniel Radcliffe is also in the cinema with his dad, and they kind of like approached him after the movie and have a little chat with them and kind of convince them, you know, will protect you.

And it sounds like they were liberally there to yeahalking stalking the radcliffs.

But so he's a phenomenal yeah, you know young man than your Redcliffe.

I think it's tend to a really good actor.

Has made some really interesting films over the years.

The performances in at least in his first film, don't quite stack up for me.

I just kind of thought, like, not terrible, but these are the leads and then they need to convince you, and I can just see the kids acting.

Yeah, I didn't feel that.

When you first see Emma Watson and mind You, I was finding myself and because I've seen them all as adults now, so it was it was a reminder I'm watching an old film, yes, but on when she first comes in and meets them on the train and does her dialogue there and as she walks out, stops comes back in my head.

I was thinking, what did the other takes look like that?

It's very hit your mark here, turn around and say this, like you do notice the acting?

Yeah, yeah, I was giving it a passau.

It's a kid's film.

You know, you don't notice that when you're watching as a kid.

But like you said, it's got a foot in the kids territory of foot in the adults.

But also, you know, we just had this kid win an Emmy for you know, the Youngest Best Actor for Adolescents.

What an extraordinary performance that was.

So you can find kids who can knock it out of the park.

Now, obviously the kids have done a good job, because you know, if they do a terrible job, then the whole thing doesn't work.

I mean, the pressure on Christopher Columbus for this movie, so he was an American American filmmaker, Missus, Doubtfire, Stepman by Centennial Man, some of the films he's made.

The pressure on him and I've heard him speak about it like knowing there's eight there's going to be eight books, and if this first one doesn't work, then it's kind of on him because he's making a lot of these choices and he has to get the kids, the kids right.

So yeah, so they did, they do a good job the kids.

But I just for me, and they do get better.

From my memory I've seen, I think I've seen all the films.

They do get better.

They do better, which is understandable.

One thing they say about the kids is they don't because they're going through puberty at the various times.

They don't.

Kind of it's quite miraculous.

Miraculous in a way, and I think maybe Christopher Columbus commented on it.

None of them went through that kind of phase of like that awkward puberty on screen where you kind of go, it's it's almost you know, hard to look at from them as an audience member because you're going to go, oh, they're going through something.

Yeah, kind of a bit private for them.

And now their their their voices, you know, change and it's all happening on camera.

Change is the main thing is.

Yeah, it's manly for modern families, just gonna you can't and it's it's all good for everybody.

You know, it's not good for them.

It's it's all good audience members.

But they kind of I think navigated that pretty well.

Warner Brothers was going to make this as an animated series because they were they were fearful that instead of yeah, and merge some of them, not make eight films that merge some of the stories.

And because I worried about the kids aging and and will they can you sign them up for you know these contracts and and Warner Brothers, so J.

K.

Rowling said no, it needs to be.

It needs to be eight live action films.

So I don't know if I because I watched it later it night.

I mean, you gave me a week to watch this thing, and of course I've waited to the last night.

In my head, I was telling me, oh, so it'll be fresh in my head.

I'm like, I just didn't get around to it.

And I don't know if it was a factor that I wanted to go to sleep, but I did think and this, I genuinely think this of all films.

I'm like, it's a.

Bit long, and it's two and a half hours.

Yeah, and when when the quidditch game?

Am I pronouncing that right?

Quidditch?

Quidditch?

I just heard Sam yelling at me.

Some pronounced it wrong.

The Quidditch game.

I feel like after that, I was like, oh that we're wrapping of a victory and I pressed the remote to see I'm like, oh.

We're half Whereas I.

Think you could have stretched it, you know, out, And the Quidditch game was the finale in some way, because I think for me that was I loved the world.

They're learning how to be wizards and all that, and then when it starts creeping away from that, that's when it started to lose me a bit.

Yeah, yeah, I agree with you to an extent, but I do think it needs to have that danger set up, that this world will get darker and there are darker forces coming for Harry.

I do love like there were so many great questions in this in this series, and this has comes from the book.

There are changes made from the book to the to the movie, but I do love the amount of things that you are you are wondering about, you know, the questions that you have, like Voldemort is like who is this Voldemort?

You know you know that the death of his parents and and yeah, there are just so many things and this even touchstones as as an adolescent that you would be so excited about when Harry when they Harry meets Ran on the train before her comes in and he basically, you know, Ron's got this wrapped up ball of a sandwich, you know, in clean wrap, and Harry buys the train, which is basically an adult version of them going on a bender.

They has eating everything, They've got the bellies full, they're having a great time, and they bonded.

That was the difference to me watching it as an adult because when he said we'll take the lot and got all these coins out, my first thought was that's so irresponsible, But what if you need money later?

I did have a question which maybe you can shed some light on.

So Harry's living with the Dursleys, who don't treat him well, He's living under the stairs.

They locked the thing, and I'm not sure what he does when he needs a piss at night late maybe that you just don't But is he pissing in jars?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I'm probably glad they left that out, but it did.

It was going to be your question what would you do in that situation?

And then the owl start coming leaving the letters from Hogwarts and the Dursley's kind of get the wind of this, they clearly don't like him, and then they don't do.

The nth degree right away when we first see the is it his uncle uncle?

Yeah, Vernon And that's when I was I was asking myself, oh, so has he already showed signs of that he's doing magic tricks?

Because he says no funny business like yelling in his face, and I'm like, what does he mean by Obviously he's referring to something else he's done, but he just means no, just.

Behave I wonder and Harry Potter fans, if you're still with us, let us know on the on the speak pipe, if there's anything that we get wrong or you want to correct, or let's let us know.

Please jump on the speak pipe.

We'll play I can play it next next week.

Because then when he he locks his cousin, essentially I guess in with this or in the snake yes enclosure.

The dad looked straight to him as if you've had something to do with.

This, I suspect that is it?

Just I suspect they know.

Okay, they know, and maybe that is why they.

Could be angering a lot of people that I haven't.

No, no, but I you know you kind of They said, you've watched this for the first time.

I've seen it now maybe three times and over, you know, twenty years, and it wasn't obvious to me, but I suspect they would know, maybe because it's there.

They're like one of their sisters, their brothers, I guess, yeah, and they're wary of it.

So that's what I like.

What then, why when the ours come and then they clearly want to take Harry away?

Why are they fighting it?

Yeah, like they go after this weird ireland in this weird kind of cabin.

And that crept up on me.

I was like, yeah, I look at my phone.

I missed something here.

We suddenly in this I'm.

Sure that's more explained more in the book, but in the movie it's like why I needed a bit more information just on why where was this place?

Because why did they go there?

Because they clearly didn't like him.

They there's hatred for him, but it's like they're protecting him as well.

Is there a monetary kind of value in him having it?

Are they getting paid a bored him?

Yeah, it's a bit unclear.

Yeah, I just felt like that that would have been nice.

So okay, So I was wondering if you had spotted anything in regards to that.

I mean, the cast is incredible, like outside of the kids who now become household names and you know people now we're watching Harry Potter for those names.

I was disappointed that we who's and you'll have to say the character's name head of a Slytherin Malfoy A Snape?

Yes, and what's he?

Do?

You know?

His real name?

Alan Rickman?

Alan?

I always confuse him with the other die hard baddie Jeremy Iron.

So yeah, I was because you know, it is cool that they thought he was, you know, putting a on Harry brow him stuff, and it two is that he was trying to help him and you find that out, It's like, oh he was sort of a good guy.

There's no scene with them finding that out with him.

I would like to have.

Seen, well even at the end when actual.

Evidence of him being better than they thought he was.

Yeah, when Dumbledore says on the Stone's been dealt with, well, is that not worth putting on that?

And for me too, how I said the movie after the Quidditch game, has the sorcer of Stone been mentioned?

Then?

I feel like it just gets mentioned after that, it's like, that's a long time to go with the main part of the movie hasn't even been planted.

Yes, I feel like they're juggling two things.

They're juggling setting up this world and how he is and this world of Hogwarts, and then the story that goes into you know, which is about the philosophers Stone like, so the part of the story that's going to give the action and the darkness and all of that stuff.

So because your point earlier, Yeah, there's a version of this movie where it doesn't after Quidditch, and it's a nice gentle setting up of you know, well.

Not necessarily like the movie should end after Quidditch.

But I'm saying there's a movie just in the Wizard School of at Hogwarts where it's Harry discovering I actually do belong here.

There's a whole movie just in that.

Yes, yeah, it's almost like a you know, smaller coming of age type movie.

Whether they need more movies.

And by the way, the things I'm pointing out are almost positive in that.

How I said I wanted to see the scene with Rickman, I'm like, it's a good problem to have that you couldn't squeeze.

Yeah, it just means I like that character.

I wanted to see more.

Yeah, of J.

K.

Rowling gave Alan Rickman a bit of like direction as far as what snape how his future kind of pans out that was not even in the books yet, like that only revealed in the final book.

So to give him the ability to play the characters as real as possible and as faithful as possible based on who he actually who's really Yeah, yeah, so that's fascinating.

But like the cast is just who's who of iconic British actors.

Sadly a lot of them are gone.

Yeah, Richard Harris plays Dumbledore.

He was replaced by Michael Gambon.

Another legendary actor, Richard Griffiths.

I don't think's with us anymore.

With Nail and k I fans, you know, he's just like such a He plays Uncle Vernon Dursley.

So what an iconic, unbelievable presence and face and physicality that man has.

Yeah, he's just incredible.

What's the Matte LeBlanc episode is at the start of that as the original right, that's right, Yes, the original show they did.

He was the main character that they try to transfer him over to the American version.

That's just I think as soon as he does an American accent, it's the same dialogue.

It was just not funny anymore.

But I just even though it's just a small role in that, he was so good in that he made you believe, oh, this is bad.

He was the head of the whole other series.

Like but the other series doesn't exist.

But in my head, I'm like, I really so yeah, him just portraying that character for really the opening the first act of an episode, it was amazing.

Yeah, yeah, Saw is in there.

Who I wouldn't have known Shaw when I first watched Harry Potter, but more we recently years.

Fianna Shaw's had a big couple of yearsues.

She was great and killing Eve and and and or.

For Star Wars fans, she plays the auntie you got Maggie Smith, who sadly passed away about a year ago.

John Hurt Warrick Davis, he's in there.

So JK.

Rowling had a hard and fast rule that only people from Britain or Ireland, you know, the British Isles could play play roles.

So Vern Troyer is in there.

Really yeah, Mini me, but he's voiced by Warrick Davis.

So yeah, so there was a there's a kid I.

Reckon I might have recognized just his I remember seeing someone where the movements.

I was like, that's familiar, but I was assuming I'm looking for Warrick Davis.

But it's not Warrick Davis.

How maybe that's Vern troy Vern Troyer.

There was a guy called Liam Aitken who was offered the role.

They got the role, had it for twenty four hours, but it was revoked because JK.

Rowling found out he was American.

We're not having so it was just really like really committed to having so imagine.

How he isn't the Olympics, mate.

Imagine imagine even in hindsight, knowing that you Harry Potter for twenty four hours, and it could it could have been because I must say I haven't heard of Leemak and he's in the movie Step Mum with Christopher Columbus, So.

Yeah, that's rough.

Brice Springsteen recorded a song called I'll Stand by You You Always, and that was also cut from the Cup from the film.

I mean, imagine having a Britce Springsteen record a song for you.

Yeah, and then it's like.

What else did you thing?

Born in the USA?

Off, you go, Off, you Go.

Julie Walters is in there, John Cleese, of course, Alan Rickman.

It's just and then the cast gets bigger as a lot of Ray Fines obviously is brilliant, one of my favorite actors as Voldemort.

Yeah, it's it's it's so good.

Another you know, a little spin off they could have done.

Hagrid talked about going down the Pub you know a bit.

This is a little spin off series with Haggrid down the cub Robbie Coltrane has he's no longer with a sadly but that could work.

Yeah, because he has a few scenes stealing moments.

So it's like, oh, there's more for this.

I mean, I'm sure the character comes back.

He does, and I think but I think it's a good point.

I think Hagrid is a really important character in this film because he does he's almost you know, he's almost he's almost one of the protagonists in a way, like he does get the action moving.

He has ground it as well.

He's he's funny, he's very likable and with the kids still finding their feet, both characters and actors, I think He gives a real presence that you feel safe when he's around.

Yeah, I think, yeah, definitely, you're right.

When he first comes in, knocks the door down and just sort of says, how you doing, He's just set the tone.

He's almost a chewbacker of the of the series.

I refuse to see any film like this without looking through the prison of Star Wars.

It's good for me to see the stylug when they first go.

He takes Harry to is it diagon Alley where they all the wizard shops and stuff.

That was really cool.

So that's what I loved.

So I've at Harry Potter World at Universe whatever, i'd seen that and in Edinburgh.

Apparently Victoria Street in Edinburgh is where JK.

Rowling got some inspiration for that look.

Whether that's true or not, I don't know, but I took a photo of it in case, even though I hadn't seen the film.

But that's where I understood because I remember being at Harry Potter World and thinking if I had seen Harry Potter because I'd been to Star Wars World as well at Disneyland, and that was incredible because you're walking through it and it's like you're in Star Wars.

I have been Harry Potter.

Lose your mind, but at the Harry Potter and I'm like, I wish i'd seen it because I know I'd have the same feeling.

When I saw them go into Diageron Alley, I was like, this is now.

I get it.

I get why.

I like what I said with when I was talking about my three favorite films.

Boogie Night's the style and that's what I loved.

I love seeing that.

And then when you get to Hogwarts, it's all there.

And that's probably why when it started to be a bit dungeony and we're inside, it's sort of I missed being and seeing all the Harry Potter world where it's then getting into you know, monsters and stuff where I've seen that in other movies.

Keep me in the Harry Potter world.

Yeah, that's that's that's really fascinating.

You had a moment where they obviously go to the Hogwarts and they're working at who they are and they have the sorting hat and let's listen.

Oh yeah, that's awesome as well.

That's scene Caddy.

Potter m difficult, very difficult, plenty of courage.

I see not a bad mind either.

There's talent, oh yes, and a first to prove yourself.

But where to put you?

Not Slitherin, not slyithering, not Slytherin.

A Are you sure you could be great?

You know it's all here in your head and Slytherin.

Will help you on the way to greatness.

There's no doubt about that.

No, Well, if you're sure, better be.

Griffindor.

Yeah.

I liked it.

I mean I thought that looked really great.

Yeah, some of the special effects didn't.

Well, I didn't love or they say to a vi age, but that still looked really cool.

Yeah, and I know I've seen that hat at a Harry Potter shop or something else.

I mean, if people we're getting a photo of it, and I did as well, going I don't know what that is, but that's good to know what I took a photo of many years ago.

I do think the with the way they wrap up the the scores at the end and they all the bonus points that come.

Oh, I mean, I mean the brand Lame Metal or the dally Am.

Can you imagine Peter Blandis or or mister Dylan at the AFL kind of getting up there and going and an extra ten votes for Nick Dakos.

Yeah, there was a classier way to do that.

Let's make the Slytherins think they've won, yeah, in the traditional way, and then just you know, come and steamroll over all their dreams.

Seeing a little ham fisted.

What do you think of dra Draco Malfoy, the blonde of villain looks like a son of a lethal weapon.

Yeah, well, has he become someone else I would have seen in the movies?

I was trying to work that good question.

Tom felt in his name, I think is harmony Emma?

What's and had a bit of a crush the first Well, I mean it's almost a Karate Kid scenario.

And when you can look back and realize Daniel was a bit of a pricking at the start of Karate Kid.

Yeah, in that when right at the start he's not that mean to Harry.

He just says, oh you're Harry Potter, I can help you whatever, and extends a handshake, and Harry says, I think I can pick my own, thank you very much, or I can't remember.

Yes, he could have shaken his hand like he hadn't shown signs he was a real baddie quote unquote then.

Yeah, I think my understanding is a memory of that he kind of does kind of you know, ride that line of being is he completely bad or is he just isn't?

Yeah, and he's he just under the influence of parents or you know, will he redeem himself?

So he was also seen in the right of the Planet of the Apes twenty twenty five version of Gandhi, which I have not seen.

Yeah, I'm not sure if you wouldn't know him, he may have seen his name, you know, maybe because I know you love you.

I was just trying to perhaps your glossy mags.

But but yeah, I thought as an actor he did all right for you, portraying what he had to.

Yeah, I think I thought he was.

He was as good as the other kids, you know, and maybe his role was maybe a little easier because he was perhaps a little one note where you know, he just had to be like but like you said, it was it was he was he one hundred per baddie or was he just still trying to figure things out?

And then maybe when he got on the wrong side of Harry, he became a little bit more, you know, kind of angrier or use earlier.

They're all sort of you know, there's older kids already established, but that was sort of equalist.

Normally, if he's sort of the baddie, he'd be like a foot taller than Harry and a bit.

But they are all very like.

You could have picked he.

All he had to do is smile and all of a sudden, No, he's the nice guy.

Yeah, he didn't have the the cliche traits of a badie physically physically.

Yeah, yeah, that's true.

Now I would you watch the rest of the like you have an appetite that go to the chamber of secrets.

I do just out of intrigue to see where it goes.

I will look at the running time.

I might watch them all in part, sometimes parts in part.

Often when there's a trilogy involved, I will get my guests to cover like Wali Ali covered all the Star Wars films.

Lint McGregor did the three Godfather films.

I'm not going to make you come back for seven Harry Potter films.

So there's eight.

There's eight, yes, So I mean you know you don't have to rush through them.

You can do it in your own time.

Obviously, there's no deadline like having to talk about it on the podcast in my my vibe with them for some reason, I just I just never they never spoke to me.

And there's so many people who love the movies as much as they love the books.

I'm happy for them.

You're you've seen something in it that I that I didn't connect with.

Yeah, but yeah, and they do get darker as they go along.

They have different directors who come in.

Some do a better job than others.

Can does one and I thought he was particularly good.

And for memory, I thought it came home the last it comes home in pretty good shape.

I think, yeah, So, yeah, it's interesting the three dynamic.

Actually, the Harry Himoni and Ron does have the classic Star Wars again.

It is you know, if Luke is Harry and hers rupid and and you almost got that kind of as they get a bit older, as you know who likes who?

Here is Harry like Hermione, there's the money.

Like, yeah, that's what I was the thing because I sort of know those relationships where they end up.

So I was like trying to pick up on cues in the first one, but I do.

I think I got caught up in I love the the first act of a film like this, The discovery.

And I think that, like the film Unbreakable, how that is one act of Bruce willis discovering he's a superhero.

It's essentially what should be a three film, but it's basically what what would be a one act in any other film.

That's what I'm I saying Harry Potter leading up to the Quidditch That's what I love like him, even just which one is his I love thee I love all that stuff of discovering.

I don't think I just wanted that drawn out more.

Yeah, and you do like I connected with some of that stuff of like the excitement I've never obviously received a wand but the excitement of having you know, discovery, Yeah, discovering things and whether the gifts or you know, something at school or friends, you know, like this is I mentioned in the intro.

This is like Ron and Hermione, which I think is really powerful.

He's really his first friends.

Yeah under the stairs.

Yeah, so I think that's really kind of a beautiful thing.

And I think the thing with his parents, you know, and in fact, let's have a listen to Dumbledore kind of explaining what happened and why he was protected.

How did do you know why Professor Quirrel couldn't bear to have you touched him.

It was because of your mother.

She sacrificed herself for you.

And that kind of act leaves a mark.

I don't know.

This kind of mark cannot be seen.

It lives in your very skill.

What is it?

Love marry, love to love Harry?

Of course it is, that's what you need.

I wonder if you know far bit for me to try and improve.

And already film that's done, already proved.

Itself, but let's start writing some.

That almost because I did like it, But I wonder if at the start, how all for the whole first part of it, everyone knows who he is as soon as they say, oh, you're Harry Potter.

So he's wondering, how does everyone know who I am?

Who am I?

I wonder if it would have been better if only a couple of people knew or who he was?

And then it was because he's sort of already told you're special.

When and then when they had the they first have their broom flying lesson and the teacher says, stand next to your broom and the left for your hand, and say up, I think, and the broom comes up and Harry's goes up straight away.

Yeah, and a few others get it, but it's not a big moment.

It's just like, oh he got wh' straight away.

I would have loved it if that was a huge moment where everyone was trying and Harry's just already got his and they're like, how did you do that?

Who is this?

And then he starts to realize, Oh, I'm I can do this.

I think it's an interesting point.

Actually, you're right.

It was a bit of a nothing moment in a way, because he said some people got it and some didn't.

Yeah, I think, but.

He got it straight away, but it wasn't a big deal.

Yeah, yeah, mind it was, Yeah, because he should have been if he was doubting himself, like I don't belong here, and then all of a sudden his power is clearly more powerful than everyone else's.

It's like, oh, hang on, who am I?

Yeah.

I just think there was some like opportunities that weren't taken advantage of.

Yeah, of him, they sort of just go some straight away.

They're trying to convince him you're special.

Yeah, and it's a it's a given.

And also like I'm almost sure how you do this, and yeah, it always feels weird when you we are obviously talking about a classic piece, you know, popular culture, one of the most successful movies books.

But I wonder if there's a version of this movie where Harry doesn't necessarily want to go to Hogwarts or does or wants to.

I mean, it's it's hard because he's living conditions previously so awful that you don't want him to want to go back to that.

It's had to believe that he would want to go back to that.

But yeah, he kind of just wander like this goes so wide eyes wide open that there's no kind of there's no resistance, no resistance or no wariness of like, oh, hang on, is this you're right?

There is another version where they have to convince him, yeah, to go Yeah, where it's like you're offering someone who's living in hell to get on a train, to get and that's all you need to say is like, yeah, get me out of here.

Yeah, It's like it's a very easy jump.

Yeah, and he kind of adapts kind of quickly.

He's not you don't see any kind of pain or you know, even though the parents are there, like like.

Yeah, he doesn't make a sacrifice to get there or anything, which you know it's it could be just you know, you're following the structure of story too much.

Yeah, I think I have a wounded worry me reading the book.

But as a film, for some reason, that could have made it more interesting.

I loved again because I got to see it with commentary on Castaway, the Tom Hanks film, when he's stuck on the island.

Originally they had a cruise ship pulls up and he ends up.

They see him and he gets off the island, and it might have been Spielberg or someone like that said nut I said, he has to get himself off the iye, you got to figure that out.

He has to and that's and they said, that's always the case.

The hero has to find the find their way out of a situation or to to triumph.

And I've just I've kept that in mind with whenever I'm watching something and you're right at the start of this, it's like he's just, you know, Harry is just like given the golden ticket to get on the train and ushered along, rather than there's no sacrifice on his part.

I remember watching I'm Sorry, We're veering off a bit here, but it annoyed me.

The movie Spotlight, when that one best Oscar.

There's a scene in that where I must have just seen the commentary with the castaway thing, where it's basically it's towards the end the guy the main thing he has to get is going and convince this guy to sign off and then they're good with the Confessions of the Priest or whatever, and all that happens.

The guy just says, no, I'm not signing that, and he's like, oh, okay, and he leaves, goes to get in his car.

Guy comes out and goes, okay, give it to me, I'll sign it.

Well, that's just lazy.

Like that really got to me that that one best awesome, best picture the Oscars.

I did enjoy spot but and I'll be stretching myself to kind of really analyze that that scene, but.

Like, yeah, you should just scroll and go back to it and have a look.

Yeah, you certainly have scenes in movies where you know, I've seen that scene before where you think somebody's gone it's like, no, there's there's no way I'm getting into that car.

There in the car, Yeah, and that I can understand that works, But you need to do the work beforehand to kind of see the reasons.

You need to understand the reasons why they did change their mind that they maybe the audience we heard the reasoning why they should get in the car, but they it took them a bit longer, you know, and that that that can work.

But here's a good one in harry Or where there was an opportunity when and I don't know why, but he just sort of leaves him on his own and gives him the ticket for nine and three quarters.

So go find that, Like you've taken him all this way, but you won't show him where the platform actually is.

That he asked someone else and then he's just watching those other kids run through the pillar.

And that could be a moment where all right, does he have the ability to run through this wall?

And he asked the lady.

She goes, yeah, yeah, just just line up in between and run through.

And he just does it.

Like that could have been a moment where it took him a couple of goes or something something.

Yeah, it was just the next thing, you know, we're in.

I do wonder sometimes if they knowing that, they would have known that they've got you know, two hundred paid scripts or something, you know, like how weary they were that, Yeah, we need to get through this.

That's what I was just saying.

So many moments, Yeah that there moments that had a lot of juice in him.

They've just sort of gone pass them.

Yeah, like even the guy what's the big guy what's his character's name again, he's got the baby dragging.

Yeah, you see, that was like we didn't even need to see that, but it's sure it might come later.

Setting up for it, Yeah, because I did notice to when he gets through the platform and sees the train Hogwarts train, and then we just cut to an exterior shot of the train traveling already and he's in there.

I'm like, I guarantee there was like no script or they filmed him actually getting on the train and meeting people, because it seemed like they've cut something there.

Let's move it along.

Yeah, I know that there are deleted scenes, and you wonder how how long the film would have been.

Yeah, all the scenes were kept in.

Let's wrap up because I need to let you get out of here.

But the we've annoyed enough Harry Potter.

Fans, please just yes.

Oh yeah, by the way, I'm saying I like it, you like it, and I just wish I saw what If I saw this as a kid, I would I would be completely hooked.

I feel the same way.

I think as much as there are adults who do love this film, for me, seeing this as a kid would have blown my mind.

Yeah, I think I think just came up at the wrong time.

I love Magic Far Away too growing up, and it feels like that fantastical world, like never ending story.

Yeah, huge in my life.

Yeah yeah, so yes, he's in fun Facts.

So Alec Ginness was actually offered the role of Dumbledore.

They had him in the said he passed away not long before production.

Richard Harris had trouble remembering his line.

So this is a lovely story that Daniel Radcliffe noticed this and would ask him as a favor, would he mind helping him with his lines, and then in turn obviously helping Richard Harris with his line.

So that's that rings true of the Daniel Radcliffe that I've met over the years.

Child actors do their actual schoolwork in the movie.

When you see them doing they make it seem more authentic and maybe to get around the tutoring laws platform for those who don't know.

Nine to three quarters is filmed at King Scruss.

I think you may have mentioned that earlier.

Yeah, I was there, not long aer Harry Daniel Radcliffe.

They want to be so faithful to the book that they wanted him to have green eyes, which apparently he's described his having green eyes, so he had green contacts pretty early on scene one Negre to see he was like his eyes were watering, of course in pain.

They got rid of that.

Also Hermion he was has buck teeth in the in the books and she was going to wear buck teeth and she could barely talk.

So that was Kai Boshed Robin Williams campaign to be in the movie, and j K said, no, wow, sticking with her, you know British kind of rule.

That's if you did the misdoubt Fire accent.

Yeah, exactly that.

He worked with Chris Columbus on Doubt Fire and others.

So what I mean, God, JK.

I respect people who go, you know, I'm taking a stamp because when so the movie as I'm sure you know, he's called the Sorcerer's Stone in the US.

Everywhere else it's a philosopher's stone.

But the book company just said, Americans will be confused.

Amics can't seem to then take that second or third thought.

And they said philosophers, Philosopher's stone will be a foreign concept, but for some reason sorcerer's stone is more familiar to them.

And JK agreed.

She just said, and she really regrets it.

She said, at the time, I was a struggling author.

This is obviously before.

This is for the book, not the movie.

So she's a struggling author.

She was in no position to fell like she could say no.

So interesting a lot of these choices she made.

You obviously see the evolution.

It's sticking to the English rule is impressive.

You seen no of Robin Williams and who's gonna work basically for free?

Yeah, and you can say, oh I wish one will he was in it all, but it's paid off for it because it's Harry Potter.

It does have that feel about it that when you're in the Harry Potter world, there's no other world like it.

Yeah, whereas if you had it, let it get americanized for lack of a better term, who knows, like you say, Robert Williams, once you open that door, and any American is in it, and now you're on a different set and you've probably got there's probably a coke vending machine at Hogwarts.

That there's guns.

Obviously, you do like because Star Wars does have this kind of array of kind of accents, even though the death start is often English access weirdly, but maybe JK has seen that and kind of gone, no, I want as the feel like you have.

You know, they're all the same world.

It did mean when they shot the movie they had to come every time the philosophers Stone was mentioned, had to shoot the scene twice of stone, so that would have been a pain in the ass.

Probably why they didn't mention it the first half.

They couldn't be bothered, shoehorned him later JK around.

I also requested the scar be off center in the book.

It's never specified.

I think some of the drawings have it closer to the middle, but yeah, she wanted the scar to be off center, so that was one of her things.

So mate, there you go.

That is Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone.

There's your world feel bigger now.

Yeah, I'm definitely glad I've watched it.

I feel it's a monkey off my back.

I can stop living the life and yeah, and I get the hype.

The hype is validated.

Yeah, I will say that.

Well, mate, this podcast comes with homework, and I appreciate you digging in and doing two and a half hours worth.

Jane Kennedy, still the Clubhouse Leader, watched all three director's cut of Lord of the Rings.

Wow for this podcast.

So but your way ahead of Sampang, who watched an eighty eight minute movie The Castle.

So you got him.

Had he not seen the cast?

I know it's it's become part of the folklore of this podcast that it's remarkable that you hadn't seen a movie made by his employers.

So it's the kind of man Sam Pang is.

Mate, thank you so much for having me.

It's fun, a joy to see you.

I mentioned in the intro that I have admired the way you have carved out your comedy career.

You have not waited for people to call you, which so many comics to.

It's very easy to fall into that trap.

Would still be waiting you you.

You got off your ass and you have invested time, your talent, brought other people into your world and created your own industry.

And I really admire it mate, and yeah, well done.

Appreciate that mate, Thank you so much, and we'll see you are in the traps.

We'll do