Hey guys, and welcome back to another week of casual Chaos.

This week, I have somebody in the Bravo family joining me, La La Kent.

Welcome to casual Chaos.

Thank you for having me.

I'm so excited we finally were able to like coordinate and get it popp in.

I know.

And now you're a part of the iheartfam So we're families in two universes, which is so fun.

Oh, I love that.

That is so cute.

That is and then you just signed with CIA.

Congratulations.

Wait, so we're families in three universes.

Now, yes, this is so good.

I love that.

For us.

iHeart has said nothing but amazing things about you, and they said that you and I are so similar and the way that we work, and that you and I just say yes to everything we do it and I'm like, yeah, that's how you gotta be.

You know.

That is such a compliment to me because I've watched you since you were like the tiniest of little tots, and I am just so impressed by you.

Have no idea you really so much.

I've grown into like such a beautiful and special human and I find it important that you know that.

Thank you so much, and I can't wait to talk about everything that you have done, because I know we caught up a little bit at the iHeart event, but I.

Want to talk about your babies.

I know it was oh shit, uh no, it with Sosa's first birthday, So how is that?

I feel like time is just flying so.

Quickly it is, And like I used to look at people who would say, like, it goes by fast, enjoy every moment, and I'm like, all right, weirdo, And now like I'll see a pregnant person and I'm that crazy woman who's like, it goes by so fast, enjoy every single moment, because yeah, I feel like I blinked and Sosa is like a full on, like approaching toddler, and I remember it like it was yesterday, starting to like decide, am I am I choosing to be a single parent?

Am I doing this?

Am I going to start looking for a sperm donor?

It literally feels like yesterday and now she's here.

We made it a year, and I'm like, I'm just so happy.

I mean, you're doing such an incredible job.

I seriously give all the kudos in the world to the single moms out there.

I mean, my mom did it for so long, and I know you're riding that train and you're killing it and you're loving it.

So I mean, you guys just deserve the world because it's not easy, you know, on the financial standpoint and even just juggling life and trying to work at the same time.

So you are a mom of two now, So how is that?

You know what?

Gia?

I agree with you.

Single moms are like superheroes.

And can I tell you, I almost feel guilty calling myself a single mom because I have so many hands on deck.

I'm so fortunate.

So I find it's so important that when when we talk about me as a single mom, to acknowledge like I am very blessed when it comes to the village that I have and the single moms who are out there like really doing it, boots on the ground, multiple jobs, feeding these kids, It's like, wow, I am just inspired, impressed, and they deserve all the praise on the planet.

Yeah, how are you balancing again?

Like you said, you have all hands on deck, but how do you balance like raising your two girls, because it seems like you really are there for them all the time and with work, Like do you have a schedule.

Do you always try to like put them to bed at night?

Like what are your things that you don't ever give up with your kids?

You know, the past two years, I've been very fortunate and the universe has always had my back.

And I don't know if it's just because I wholeheartedly believe in it or if I've made it up in my head.

But vander Pump stopped and I had two years of not having to film a show and really deep dive into like what I want, what's important to me?

When when all is said and done, the lights turn off and you know, the shows are done, the podcast is over, What do I want my life to look like?

And my kids have just given me.

I'm not going to get emotional on your podcast.

But no, you're like my mom when you when my mom starts talking about us too, she starts just getting like teary eyed.

Yeah, they've given me so much purpose.

In the past two years, I've the universe has allowed me to be there for every single moment.

So now that we're back in the mix, I find it very important I don't take time away from my kids to do things that are not necessary.

I tell my friends, if we want to have a girl's dinner, I would prefer that it be on a weekend that I don't have Ocean, because she's she knows when mom's around, she knows when mom's putting her to bed.

Sosa is still at that age.

And I feel guilty saying this, but I don't feel the same way about Sosa that I feel about Ocean.

In this regard.

Ocean don't have all the time, and I have like a trauma bond with her.

Sosa.

I'm getting to experience motherhood the way every mother wants to experience it, you know, where there's just this overwhelming amount of peace.

No one's going to take her from me if I go out and I miss the bedtime I have every other night to put her to bed.

I don't get that with Ocean.

So when it comes to my social calendar, I'm a weirdo.

Everyone's like, you gotta put yourself first, you got to socialize.

I'm like, I get my social time.

I don't need.

I want to be home with my children.

It's a fleeting moment.

So unless it is absolutely necessary for me to take time away from bedtime, wake up, pick up from school, it's just not happening, and I don't compromise when it comes to my children.

No, I love that better feeling.

I used to remember, even as a little kid, if my mom wasn't there to pick me up from school or even a sport, you get disappointed.

You're like, no, I don't want to drive home with Carol today.

I want my mom.

I totally remember that too, Gia.

Like I I went to this school where the crosswalk was like up this giant mountain, it felt like, and I remember the bell would ring, I'd walk outside, and if I saw my mom's car, it was like.

The best day ever, the best day ever.

I know.

I know how important that is, and I really try to make it to every single thing unless there's something where it's like okay, like this is responsible for feeding you and keeping the on.

It's just adulting.

But you know we can figure it out, definitely.

And how do your two daughters differ.

Oh my gosh, Ocean, I just is she's such an old soul.

Like, I don't think that she's she's on her last leg.

I think she's gonna come back again.

There are certain kids where I'm like, oh, you're done after this.

You were a part of the Great Depression you went down with the Titanic all.

But Ocean is an old soul where Sosa is so new, she has never been here before.

She is and people probably think I'm insane.

It's like, well, babies are brand new and they they're learning for the first time.

No, there's something about her where it's like the way she even looks at like her hands in her arms.

I'm like, oh, you've never seen this before ever.

Yeah, Like you just feel like she just is so pure what she is, but.

It's like a different level.

And some people believe in that stuff.

I do, so I feel like that's how they differ.

And Ocean is just such a She's a strong and independent soul.

She came that way.

Whereas Sosa, you can tell like she is looking at me for all the answers, and I don't think that's going to change as she gets older.

Yeah.

Yeah, well then you just have like a best friend bond and I feel like my mom and I kind of had that too.

But no matter what, as much as I leaned on her, we also like she still had that parenting role as well.

Like it was never like we were too friendly, but it was we had each other's backs, but it was still like I had the respect.

I knew what to do and what not to do, so there was like and there was like a fine line of like not to cross.

But I mean, growing up like that with your mom is so fun, and especially just having you know, daughters and just having that.

Fun girly bond it was.

I don't I don't think she could have asked for anything differently, and same for you, like you genuinely have your best friends for life.

Best friends for life, you know what I find so amazing and also so interesting.

With your guys's family dynamic is and I don't want to say usually, but from my experience, my friends who have sisters, they're not as close with their mom because they have each other.

And then my friends and myself we have brothers, so we are very close to our moms because that's the only other chick in the house.

Of course that you have the four of you, and you're still like your mom is like the fifth.

Oh a hundred.

I don't think it could be any different.

Like my mom is fully in the mix.

If say I'm annoying her that day, she'll call Gabriella.

But then if Gabriella's annoying her that day, she'll call me about Gabriella, like we have like a full circle, and it's just like she's one of us.

Yeah.

But then it's funny when like the roles change, when, like say, my youngest sister, Audriana, she just turned sixteen and she you know, you go through the motions as you're growing up.

So obviously I was at that age where I constantly gave my mother attitude, but Audriana.

Is also the sweetest soul.

It's like little things like if she wants to get somewhere on time, she'll be like, mom, come on, like what.

Are you doing?

Like?

And then my mom's like running around with like a chicken, like a chicken without a head.

And it's like it's just so funny to watch.

But then I'll look at Adriana and be like, watch the way you're talking to mommy.

So it's like we have like five sisters and mother figures, it's like we all take on different roles because it's like the role switch with every situation.

Then there's times.

Where my sisters are yelling at me and they're like what are you doing?

And I'm like listen, I'm your older sister, like.

Check your down, God, respect your elders.

Literally, no I say that to them.

I'm like, who are you talking to.

That?

I love that dynamic because it's almost like you've got the people who are going to unconditionally love you, but you've got four different perspectives to shed light on one situation, which is like you, there's no way you can't have self awareness in your family because you've got so many people holding a mirror.

Oh yeah, we're clocking each other at all times.

If I say something wrong, Milania first want to clock me.

She'll text me and be like, what is got?

What is this?

Why are you saying this?

And I'm like it just wasn't that deep.

Malania like it's just not that serious, and she goes none.

She is a Sagittarius, She's February.

No, she is no, she's an Aquarius.

She's February second.

Okay, free free spirit and just like down for the cause.

Oh definitely.

Oh yeah.

Whatever Milania wants to do, Milania is gonna do.

And for her, that's.

Just how she goes through life.

It's just she like, honestly, she just goes at her own beat.

Like whatever she wants to do and no one will tell her different.

So and she's all been that way always, I know.

I watch Oh, it's fabulous.

I still have people sending me like tiktoks of all of those like.

Throwback oh and honestly on TikTok.

Best thing about houseives in New Jersey having those old memories.

That's gotta be amazing, right, yeah.

Like just with everything.

You know, the show obviously has its ups and downs as you know, and you go through crazy times, but just having these memories documented, it's like we have at home.

Videos for our whole childhood.

And even you know, just seeing my grandparents and how they're not here anymore, just that whole dynamic.

I'm like, this is like you can't beat this, Like this is no price you can pay to have this, Like this is amazing.

Was it weird weird?

Growing up?

Because like in La it's it's different here because most people, like at Ocean School are in entertainment in some capacity.

Okay, in Jersey and maybe it's the same way because you've got New York, But like, did people was it weird going to school knowing that your family was on TV?

Honestly, I don't know if it was just because of like the Italian traditions instilled in me and just how you need to be strong and don't really you know, don't care what people say about you.

Just keep your head high, move forward.

I And honestly, I guess I'm grateful for the town that I grew up in.

And I think that's why all of my sisters, like me and all my sisters never really wanted to move because my town was so great.

They never treated us differently, they never said anything to us.

We had great friends, and no one really said anything.

You had those one or two people, like every couple years that would make a comment like but it was stupid comments.

Like this one kid.

I remember, I was in elementary school getting on the bus and you know crazy times when you're getting ready for school.

My mom's popping up the egos.

I'm running up this massive driveway trying to get to the bus, like always just.

A complete show in the morning.

And I get onto the bus and this one kid would always say comments to me.

He's like, oh, what did your butler cook.

You breakfast this morning?

Did you eat lobster for breakfast?

And as a nine year old, I'm sitting there like lobster, there's there's egos in my zip bloc bag right now, and just like funny, just like it, yes, and it was it was just like little comments like that and obvious and even when honestly the legal stuff was going on, nothing.

Really happened to me.

Like in school, everyone I think also respected me because anytime something bad happened to my family and like things were all over the news, I went to school that day like I never I feel like I never really gave people the opportunity to talk because I was always there and always was present.

But my sister Audriana kind of went through something last year where girls like made a dish track about her and kind of just like you know, bashed her in a song and it got you know, the school obviously found out about it.

But it just shows, you know that girls could and it was mean.

It was mean girl stuff.

So it was just shows how like girls could be so mean and it could be so jealous and she was.

And she really doesn't have many friends in Momville, my youngest sister, Audriana, she really doesn't have that many friends in our hometown.

She has friends in their towns.

And honestly, she kind of enjoys it that way.

She embraces it, and she's like, school is now the place that I go.

I'm focused, I have no distractions, and then I get to hang out with my friends on the weekends.

And I'm like, so wonderful that I love that for you.

I love that for her too.

There's something about girls in school that you're also friends with.

It gets caddy.

People start trying to pit people against each other.

Yeah, my closest friends were always girls who didn't go to my school.

We didn't know the same people.

I love that.

And now she can drive, so.

Yes, well it's seventeen in Jersey.

What why?

I don't know.

You get your perman at sixteen.

My mind is blown, right, isn't it crazy to why that better?

It's weird when I see like fifteen year olds driving around with their I'm like, get this person off the road.

Yeah no, yeah, actually I'm fine with that.

No.

Audriana says every day how she thinks she needs the Tesla because she's scared that she's going to crash into things and she needs it to drive for her.

I was like, I'm like, we don't rely on that feature.

But I understand what you're saying.

I do.

I understand too, But technology, I don't know which I trust less?

Right the brands were technology, I don't know.

I've never been to Waimo before.

What kind of sister is Ocean to Sosa?

Well, the best.

I feel like she's really just come into it.

Gave her a lot of independence, and I didn't think she could be any more independent than she already was.

But the moment Sosa came home, there was just this confidence that she started to have in helping mom take care of a new baby.

And it's really sweet because I think when I first had Sosa, Ocean was like she thought it was going to be a lot of fun, and then you know, they just lay there and I think she was like, this is not that fun, This is like way boring.

And I think she thought also that this is the baby and they never get older, right, she just came how how old she is?

And now Sosa is starting to like she can't talk, but in her own mind she's saying something of course, And I'm telling Ocean like, there's it's gonna be very soon that Sosa is gonna start walking with you, and you guys can play together and you're basically gonna have a built in best friend.

And how many years apart are they they're three.

And a half.

I would have liked to do two and a half.

Yeah, but God handed me a different set of cards and it's all good.

We did.

She's gonna look at Sosa, though, and it's kind of how I look at my sisters and when you watch them grow and es.

So she, like you said that Ocean has such an old soul.

She's gonna just want to protect and be there for her sister at all costs and watching them like just grow and turn into like the young ladies that they turn into, Like Ocean will.

Look at you one day and just be like, wow, I.

Can't believe, like this day is here, Like you know, and I say, I've said that about every single one of my sisters, like every time they left for college.

I'm bawling.

I'm like, what's wrong with me?

It's just that she'll feel as much as she's an older sister, she's also like, you know, like another little mommy, and like you said, she was taking on that role like she's gonna feel that for sure.

Yeah, an Ocean, it's it's wild.

She'll come to me and say, I found this in the playpin.

You can't put this in there?

Do you see?

It has hard eyes?

These can come off, she can choke, And I'm like, you're four and a half.

Like so colocious of everything.

Yeah, Like, I'm very proud of her.

I'm very very I'm so honored to say that I am the mom of these two kids.

And I know everyone was talking about their children because we're all biased and our kids are the best, right, which is great, we should all feel that way.

Yeah.

I just look at them and I'm like, how did how was I responsible for participating in having these kids?

Mind blowing to me?

Are you loving this girl?

Energy?

Like do you want another girl?

Or are you ready for maybe a boy?

Okay, listen to what I'm an insane person, Gia.

So I'm I want to have I want to have one more.

And by the way, after a third, we're gonna feel it out because if we are not done, then I'm not closing the door, right, We're gonna know after the third.

I know after I gave birth to Sosa, there was not one ounce of I'm done in me.

It was like, she's here, I'm so excited.

Are you done?

No, I know that I'm not ready for this phase of life to be done.

I have to like go through the birthing process one more time.

So I'm gonna base it because now that I have two girls, which I never thought would happen.

And this might be a dumb question, but with a sperm donor, can you choose the gender.

So with the donor, usually how the picking j works is I would have had to freeze my eggs and then make embryos, and that's how they would be able to tell if I had boys or girls.

Okay, basically I say that I had scientific sex.

I went in, I was ovulating.

The doctor took this ferm in a long tube, put it up there while I was in like the little holster things or whatever, and it was like, all right, in two weeks, take a pregnancy test.

It was very not romantic, but like the most romantic for me.

I was enough, You're like, honestly, this is great.

No no male energy, nothing to be attached to, and I'm just getting my child exactly.

So I didn't pick the gender of Sosa.

It was just like I got what I got.

So I love having girls.

So much that I'm going to follow the Chinese gender calendar and it's right, I know.

So it's this calendar that you look up the date or no, the month you conceived, and your age and then you fall those two down and it will show you boy or girl.

Now I did a p Have you done it?

So I haven't tried it yet, but I looked at the age of conception a month of month of conception with both of my girls, and it said they were going to be girls.

But I looked at it after the fact, so I'm like, okay, so it was right for both of them.

I took a pull on Instagram.

More people said that it was correct than not correct.

So here's what I'm going to do.

I'm going to try for a girl based on the Chinese gender calendar, and if I, you know, God willing, I don't have any issues.

If I end up having a boy, then I know that God intended for me to have a boy.

Okay, question, so.

In God's hands.

But we're also going to shoot for the girl because you're loving this girl energy.

I love the girl energy.

And honestly, if I follow the Chinese gender calendar and God still gives me a boy.

Then I know in my heart and soul I was ment to bring a little boy into the world.

I know.

Well, I mean listen, what's meant to be is meant to be, because there is why there's four of us.

My dad wanted a boy so bad and it just didn't happen.

So cards for him.

No, wasn't in the car.

He got boy dogs, which was like fine, it was more than fine.

That is fine the balls offered.

Was he like so did he or was he like, no, I need men?

No he I don't think my mom ever talked to him about getting what is that?

Did he cut the dogs balls off?

Oh?

No, My dogs would would make babies.

He like, I'm not.

We have had because we had German shepherds.

We had like three litters of German shepherds.

We would it was like generations of like families.

Like it was like we started with two, then the father would die, then like the mother would die, but then we would keep two and then like it would just like keep and then we would get another one.

So that like it wasn't incest.

And I totally I love that.

You thought I was asking if your dad was snipped.

I was like Honestly, I feel like, especially an Italian man like that would take away like his entire masculinity.

Sorry, you're probably like this girl's insane.

You're asking me, does lock wait?

Actually I don't know my mom over Austin.

I'm a weirdo, but I'm not that weird.

I would never ask you that.

But I love the scenes back in the day of your dad and it was like, did you guys have chickens?

You had like chickens.

I think it was chickens or Jawn Shepherds yelling Millennia.

Still happens now, still happens now?

Of course it does.

It was my favorite.

I love that you guys get to have that and go back and watch.

No, it was so good.

Let's get into vander Pump.

So you were in the bravosphere for so long and been on vander Pump since twenty thirteen.

You decided to become sober on vander Pump.

How was that whole transition for you?

Oh?

God, you know doing vander Pump, I was only so twenty fourteen.

I think we probably filmed when I would I had just turned twenty four.

Maybe I was young and I was like wild and free and trying to figure my life out and figure out who I was.

I loved you though on early seasons of vander Pump.

Because I watched I watched vander Pump and then like I don't know till what season, but it was kind of when you came in you were with.

James banking James.

Yes, you were with James and you were still are but just so stunning and you just told it how it was.

And I was like, I get her, Like is she from LA because I feel like she's so real, Like I don't know.

No, I'm just a girl from Salt Lake City, Utah.

I don't know how.

I think I was just born this way.

I don't know where it came from.

Actually I do.

It's been generations of very strong women and females in my life that I have watched, and I think I inherited this, but also watched it and learned the behavior for me.

There's a lot of things on vander Pump rules like I don't regret any of it.

I had the best time.

That's how you should be because you know, if you regrut, it's not going to do anything for you.

If anything, you just have to own your and and grow and learn from it.

Yeah, I did what most people do in their twenties, and unfortunately, I just I have a disease of being an alcoholic.

It was just it was going to happen whether I was still in Utah or whether I was filming vander Pump Rules.

But I looked at my time on vander Pump.

It's like the ultimate mirror, right.

So many people can sit here and be like, it's editing.

It's editing, it's not editing.

They may, you know, show you in one light, but like you did those things.

You know.

It's so funny.

Someone recently just said that to me too, because you know, sometimes you could be a little naive when you're watching yourself back.

And blame it on the editing.

But I mean, at the end of the day, they really are editing what you said.

Maybe the part that they kept doesn't show you in the best light, but you did say it.

You did say it.

So I watched vander Pump, and even though there were times where I was freaking mortified, I was like, Okay, this is a mirror for me, and unfortunately it still didn't change my behavior.

It's like I got off on watching myself act like a crazy person.

It was like an adrenaline rush, right, Yeah, every time I went toes with someone it felt like I was jumping out of an airplane, like it felt awesome.

And then there was just a day that I woke up after binge drinking, which happened often, but now it was much more.

It was much darker.

Now my dad had been gone for six months, so now it was like I was numbing myself to the point of being just in the foggiest and darkest of time.

I even thinking about it takes me back to such a strange place.

But I was.

I always say I hit my rock bottom thirty thousand feet in the air on a private jet.

Right, it sounds fabulous, drinking cocktails, drinking Hennessy out of the bottle.

It could not have been a darker experience.

But when I tell people, they're like, that sounds lit, I'm like, it was not lit.

It was horrendous.

And I was letting little kids draw on me.

We were at we had just had a family weekend with twenty six people, my family, my ex's family in Disney, Disney World, and it was we were coming home and I just remember landing and I could not have been any drunker.

And I woke up the next morning and it was like, I'm I'm done.

I don't know what it was.

I truly gee, I think it was my dad because the last drink I ever had was six months to the day that my dad had died.

And I felt like in that moment the morning I woke up, it's almost like I felt my dad say like, we're done.

Now, Yeah, Like what are you?

What are we doing here?

Yeah?

What are we doing?

It's time for you to take control of your life, live a happy life, and grieve me in the way that I deserve to, you know, be mourned.

It was.

It was not a good situation.

And after that moment, you know, I I called my ex.

I was like, I need to come talk to you.

I went to his office.

I said, I'm letting you know I'm reaching out to get help today.

I'm letting you know I'm an alcoholic and I am not drinking any longer.

And I did.

I took the steps to find a sponsor.

I did anything I possibly could.

I was begging for sobriety.

And there have been moments that have been difficult, not many.

I could probably count them on one hand, and there are moments that I feel like, Oh, a glass of rose on a sunny la rooftop, Yeah, that sounds awesome.

And in those moments, yes, I have the tools.

But there have been times where I look at my kids and I'm like, oh, I'm staying sober for you today, because I'm certainly not saying sober for myself.

Otherwise I'd be on the freaking rooftop drinking rose.

Yeah.

And I just I love my sobriety.

The moments do not happen often.

I know dark days are looming, and I have the tools that I hope that I'll be using if those days, if and when those days come.

But my sobriety is the proudest thing I've ever done.

I mean, it's I and I hope this doesn't come across the wrong way.

I'm more proud of my sobriety than I am of having my children, because without my sobriety, I would not be a good mom to my children.

So my sobriety, I totally get it.

You know.

The reason I have these wonderful, beautiful children, the reason I get to do what I do, is because I woke up one day and said I'm going to be sober.

My sobriety goes to everything else goes one.

Hundred percent because if you're if you're not sober, then you're not taking care of yourself.

Your life would be a mess.

You wouldn't be able to provide for your kids.

You would be a completely different.

Person, absolutely, you know, And I do have thought for you.

Where I'm considered a dry drunk, and I'm well aware of that, there's things that are just in my DNA where I will pop off and lose my mind and it's like, Okay, we haven't had a drink, but our alcoholism is showing.

So we really need to go home and have some self reflection.

And you know, I always say, I'm not Jesus not walking on water.

I'm not gonna turn the other cheek.

I'm gonna make mistakes drinking or not.

But I really really hope that every single day I can take a step back, own my part in things, keep my side of the street clean.

And I tell people when I go in and I have to apologize to somebody for something I've done, I give them fair warning, like I want to be very clear, this could happen again.

I'm really trying to in real time pinpoint foreign emotions so that I don't lash out and I can convey myself properly.

But we're talking thirty five years of being the same person.

Like, it's not just the alcohol.

Not just the alcohol, and it wasn't just the hormones when I was pregnant.

Like side of me does exist, oh Sam, I mean, drunk or not, it's there.

And I think the something that people can ask of you is to be self aware and take accountability and take that ownership.

If you stood there and took no accountability for your actions and just thought that you were right all the time, then okay, people could say that she you know, this person has not changed, this person is the same person.

But by you owning your mistakes and having that moment of self reflection, that's really all anybody could ask of you, or of a person for that matter.

No, you're absolutely right.

And my biggest thing right now is it depends on who you ask.

You could have one person who has had nothing but a horrendous experience with me, and you could ask someone else who's had nothing but a wonderful experience with me.

I react based off of what's put in front of me.

I go home and I hope to self reflect, but it really depends on who you ask.

I know, I mean, do I have that?

I feel like, bro, everyone has that.

I think everyone has everyone has that.

Yah, everyone has that.

There's definitely people who just think I'm a passion I'm sorry, I'm not, but there's probably not many can be.

But sorry if you're that those people who think.

I am, No, I think you're wonderful.

Thank you.

But you know we have we have all have that side.

I have that side of me that comes out and I'm like, whoa, Okay, enter demons are being released right now.

But it is what it is like.

We're all just out here doing the best we can.

That's true day by day honestly for real.

Yes exactly.

But when you are filming bander Pump and also trying to keep your sobriety being around so many you know, drunk people and you know situations, did that ever make you annoyed?

I feel like being as.

Much as you and I saw you at iHeart, I know your worst are such a fun, lighthearted person, like you know how to have a good time, whether you're drinking or not.

Drinking.

And I give kudos to people that can just dance and do all that when they don't have a drink in their head.

I'm like, that is so good for you.

But and that comes with confidence, that really does.

But I like when I am sober, Like even if I'm sober and my boyfriend's drinking, I'm like, I can't handle you right now.

Yeah, I feel like it's just natural to get annoyed if you're not drinking and you're surrounded by drunk idiots.

Yeah.

I mean with with filming, it's it's so different because you know how filming works, right, It's like, here's where we need you until this time.

Yeah.

So in those situations, I'm just very honest and I tell them you're really drunk and you're annoying me.

Yeah, I could leave, I would, But you know, I know when it's time for me to dip out, when when everyone one starting to have one too many, I know when it's time for me to go home.

Yeah, and that doesn't happen very often, but I just there's nothing about getting to that point, especially at my age and my friend's ages.

There's nothing cute about it.

And it's hard because.

There really isn't anything cute about it.

There's nothing cute.

And there are times de where we'll be doing whatever we're doing and everyone's drinking and I'm like, I'm sober and we're sitting in a big room with music and they think this is the best time ever And I'm in reality knowing we're in a big room listening to me and we got all dressed up to be here for what reason.

Yeah, I don't know.

Maybe that's depressing.

It's like, well, that's what we have to get dressed up and like enjoy each other.

I'm like, I could be in bed watching Veep right now.

I mean, yeah, that's me half the time.

I'm like, do I get up and get dressed and go out or do I just stay in my bed and watch my show?

A lot?

It's exhausting.

It's exhausting, especially when my team's like, you got to be better at social media.

I'm like, a good one.

I don't know what.

I feel like, you could be so hilarious on social media though, like even tiktoks.

You know, like your personality honestly reminds me of this one influencer.

Just how you're just so you're you're raw and to.

The point, and you just you kind of have that like tell me if I'm wrong, but like kind of like that dry sense of humor in a way too, where you're just very like but it's hilarious.

You have to look her up.

It's Hallie Batchelder.

Okay, I'm gonna look her up.

So funny, all right, I'm looking her up.

Yeah, I'm here.

I'm self deprecating.

I have a very dry sense of humor, and you know, I'm just very I feel like I'm so in the moment at times that I forget to get content.

Yeah, but that's a good thing.

I mean, you don't want to like.

Be over consuming with your content that you are literally recording every second of your life.

It is exhausting.

I mean even when you know, my manager tells me, okay, Gia, we need to do more of this and.

More of that.

Sometimes recording and like doing all of your content stuff, it does take you out of the moment because you're looking through a screen rather than really enjoying it, but also trying to get good clips and make.

It look good.

So it does take away from the moment.

Like when I'm at a concert and I'm recording the concert.

The worst.

I'm like, what the worst?

I just missed the whole thing, the worst.

But I also wanted to talk to you about relationships because I feel like you just have such an interesting view and just such a mature view on things.

But I know you had a crazy relationship with your ex Randall Emmett, which we don't need to get too into.

But when you were in your twenties and when you were with him, did you think he was the one?

Because obviously I'm in my twenties, I'm dating my boyfriend, Christian.

I think he's the one.

But I know, like, what is your take on that, Like.

Do you feel like in the moment he was the one and then you soon realized, Okay, maybe he isn't.

Like what is your advice for girls who are in this situation?

Oh, you know, when I met him, I feel like I was very I was I was drinking a lot, and my gut was speaking to me and I would drink to silence that.

So I think my main advice I don't think I think most girls at the age of twenty and you'll probably marry your guy.

And yeah, it's six years at this point.

I do hope so, But it also depends on where you come from, right, like different places breed a different kind of man in course the woman.

I think that when your gut is speaking to you, we so often listen to our heart over anything.

And the heart is beautiful, but it's very naive, and I think the one thing that we can always trust is the gut.

If you have a pit in your stomach, something is wrong.

Listen to that.

I didn't listen to that.

I drank, and I drank, and then I ended up in AA.

I don't think had I had I been sober at that point in time, my relationship never would have happened.

But then I look at the relationship doesn't exist, ocean kent doesn't exist, and that would be a travesty.

So I know that this plan was supposed to happen and play out the way that it did, But it really gave me perspective on what I want.

And it's really hard for people to grasp what I want because when I tell them what I want, it's easy for them to stomach it if it were a man.

But because I'm a woman, I'm wounded, I'm scorned.

I'll find the right guy.

Someday maybe one of those things is true.

I'd like to say none of them are true, because I've worked through a lot of stuff and I've realized I live a very independent, happy, peaceful life and I don't want that to change.

I took a step back one day and was like, everyone's asking me if I'm dating, and I give them the response that they want.

Yeah, I think I'll start dating.

So I took a moment to sit with myself, law, do you want to date?

The answer was no, So why would I go do something that I don't want to do.

You want to know what I do want to do.

I'd like to have sex.

I like sex.

I think that sex is very fun.

So the rule is, I mean, it does keep you sane too.

It keeps you sane.

When emotions are high, and when I'm angry, I'm like, okay, it's time.

It's time when you're really moody, all right, got to release something right now.

It's important for a woman to do.

It.

Had been a long time.

I got pregnant, I was postpartum, so finally we ripped the band aid off, which has been great.

But I know, I mean, I wouldn't I wouldn't think you would be having a tough time.

Well you know who knows.

I'll go.

It's very slim picking.

But I enjoy that they leave after because I set that boundary.

I give them an option.

You can leave tonight, or you have to be gone before seven am, because that's when my daughter wakes up.

If Ocean is at home, no one's coming over.

I'm not going to anyone's house.

That's that's the boundary that I set, and it has been awesome, So I don't I don't want to get married.

It's very hard when I meet someone if they're in their thirties, because I won't go past seven years older than me.

If they're around my age, like I really have to kind of let them know in a subtle way, like I'm not looking for anything.

And if you're looking to get married and have children one day, like just know this is for fun.

I'm not going to be able to get care of those things.

And I mean, that's so great that you're aware of that with yourself and that you make that transparent.

But you never know.

Maybe one night, when you're having fun, you might surprise yourself and maybe somebody you really will have a connection with But again that's up to God and the universe to have.

That plan for you.

But I feel like it's not that you're telling yourself that you don't want this, but I feel like if it's gonna you know when they say that you took, when you're telling yourself that this isn't gonna happen, and then it happens totally.

I think one day you are going to find your person and it's going to be like you will be so happy, even though you are happy now with your two girls and just having this girly bubble, but maybe one day the guy will surprise you before Right now, you're protecting your peace and I think that's awesome.

And you know what I learned long ago to never say never, because I never thought that I would have a baby via donor.

You know, like life does crazy things.

So I can say that this is where we are in the moment, but God's gonna place me where I'm supposed to be.

I really have no say rights.

It's gonna be.

Oh, you're your daughters are so lucky.

They have an amazing mom.

They're so kind.

How do you feel about vander pump Rules getting a new cast.

I'm so excited for them.

Are you did you think it was time?

Yeah?

Or in a way were you selfishly like we started this, I want to end this.

No?

I didn't feel that way.

No.

I went in to see the my final season, and I just I was really beat down.

And people can in the outside world and viewers can have their opinion on it, and you know, some of those opinions to a degree maybe right.

But I was season ten living off of adrenaline and going to war and fighting for my kid.

By the time we started filming season eleven, the adrenaline had worn off.

I was sinking into my new normal.

It was a really tough pill for me to swallow.

I was trying to let go of anger, resentment, and I didn't know quite how to do that.

So by the time we got the call where it was like we're recasting, it felt really amazing.

I was like, it's time.

This is someone else's now.

It doesn't feel like ours.

And I just know the opportunities that that show brought to me, and I just can't wait to see this new wave of like Young Fun.

They're they're gonna be a hot mess, and I'm gonna be here for it.

I'm excited to see what they do with the opportunities.

Some are gonna say, you know, I'm just here for a good time and then I'm gonna move back home and live a great life.

And others I think are really going to take, you know, opportunity by the balls.

I can't wait for them.

I think it's gonna be awesome.

I've heard it's gonna I've heard it's great.

Oh that's good.

Yeah, that's awesome.

I mean, you know, and there are so many shows in the Bravo universe that as you get older, there's also a spot for you, like you are a TV personality, like you are a big face on Bravo.

I don't think Bravo's ever gonna want to fully say, oh, we don't want Lalla Kain.

There's just a time and a place.

It's not like you guys were going to be waiting at sir for the rest of your life.

No.

And you know what, I love my relationship with Bravo, and they've always, you know, really been so kind and good to me.

So I'm grateful for the opportunity that I had on vander Pump Rules and anything beyond that, I'll still be grateful for you know, itt work.

I just had Sheena on my podcast.

What is your relationship with her?

After vander Pump.

We're bumpy.

We're bumpy right now and it makes me makes me sad because you know, we're not filming a show together, So I was it was disheartening to see that she was talking about the reasoning for our I guess issues on her podcast rather than us taking a moment to reflect and have a productive conversation when the time is right.

And she's not.

She's not someone who I don't want to be friends with like we have.

We have a lot of history and deep roots now, so I hope we can work through it.

But yeah, where she told me that you or when her book was released that you were one of the people that she reached out to regarding the Brock infidelity, and I mean that was How did you feel about that?

Like, were you taken back?

Did you wish that she said it while the whole Sandoval and Ariana's stuff was going on, or like do you get why she kept it to herself.

I'm still confused on how she moves.

Yeah, it's really strange to me.

There are times when she first told me.

I was like, that makes sense.

You learned something like that.

The stakes are very high.

You have a child on the way when you've learned about this, and it makes sense why you maybe wanted to keep it to yourself.

And being in the public eye.

Yeah, in the public eye, that's that's also a lot.

And I was very shocked to learn about that.

But I was just following her lead, right, So she had worked through it with him, so I knew, like I couldn't.

Hold Yeah, and at this point, what are you going to do there together?

It's not like you can say, oh, break up with your husband when the issue was what two years ago at this point.

Yeah, it was a while ago.

And that doesn't take away from the heartbreak that she felt.

Of course, I'm gonna have to work through And although I could never stay just because I know myself and I would hold that over his head for the rest of his life.

I would too.

I wouldn't be able to do it either.

Yeah, I know, credit to kudos to her.

I mean now they seem like they're in a great space and that he's a you know, a great dad and they've worked through it, which you know, some people can and some people can't and that's totally okay.

And I don't think there's a right or wrong way.

Yeah.

Literally just depends on who you are.

And Shina chose to work through it with him, and I think that's wonderful.

He's he's made some amazing changes and that was my help.

We're in a funky spot, yeah, but I'm hopeful that we'll be able to work through it.

When the cheating was going on, and that was I guess she found out during when you guys were filming season eleven and Arianna and the whole scandal all thing crazy.

Did you notice that she was acting weird during that time or did because she said that's why she was so crazy during season eleven and you know, taking sticking up for Tom or this or that because she felt like she had to, you know, understand his perspective because she had just forgiven Brock.

Did you think that that was Shina being shehena or did you think that there were like that she was acting weird.

I didn't think she was acting.

I didn't think she was acting weird.

I think the the two of us, it was season eleven was very funky.

Yeah, I was having fun.

No one wanted to be there for the first time in the eight years that I had filmed the show.

I felt like, I is going to my job.

Yeah, it's not fun.

And I felt like she was feeling the same way.

And we were dealing with a lot of a lot of foreign emotions together.

So I never in a million years thought that she had just found out that bron did what he did.

Yeah, she was my rock through season eleven.

We both were really having a tough time.

Yeah, And I mean, you guys both had valid opinions and just you know, anything that you guys stood for.

You know, I feel like the fans could kind of understand each perspective.

On what everyone was going through on season eleven.

I think there are some people, but I you know, after it aired, like I really took a beating and I went into hiding and it took two years for me to work through it with my sponsor and own my part.

And you know, I definitely have my regrets.

But what's done is done.

Yeah, And I mean that's also the whole point about being on a reality TV show.

So that's why there's so many different cast members.

Everybody is going to give their opinion and Unfortunately, when majority rules and people don't agree with your opinion, Yeah, it could be a living hell.

But I mean, at the end of the day, it was just you being in the moment.

Everybody thinks that they're doing what they're supposed to do and that they're being true to themselves.

Okay, when you see it afterwards, can you look at it and reflect and say, Okay, I don't like the way that looked, and I don't like the way that came off.

I need to change this for the future.

But when you're filming a.

Reality TV show and you're under all that stress and emotions are heightened, you think you're doing your best in the moment.

Yeah, I feel I feel very badly about how all of that went down.

I feel badly that, regardless of my perspective on it, I made some feel like I betrayed their trust and that makes me.

It makes me angry at myself, but I had to.

I had to work through it, right.

I can't beat myself up forever.

I feel guilty that because someone didn't heal on my timeline and like didn't move the way that I thought they should have moved, that I didn't support them.

It was a huge learning experience for me for sure, and I hope that I can do better in the future when I'm handed something that I don't know what to do it, that I can take a step back and say this isn't about you and how you would do things, and that it was.

I had to work with my sponsor a lot to get through all of those layers.

Yeah, yeah, are you interested in being on the valley?

Is that something you would do?

Now that the vander Pump Rules chapter is closed?

You know reality TV, I have banner Pump Rules was done.

I was like, I think this chapter is closed.

Reality TV scratches an itch.

I don't know what the I'm like, I'm sick.

I'm a sick person.

It really does, and it.

Makes sense because I know these people are my friends.

I like actually hang out with them, no matter what the public side like she's trying to be on the valley.

It's like, let me tell you something.

You can't try to do something.

Yeah, I don't think you have to try that hard.

Don't Yes, I have no say okay.

I think that's the thing.

Like the network makes the decision, Like the network calls you if they want you, they want you if they don't, they will.

They will let you know immediately.

Saying I can't try.

They either want me or they don't.

Yeh.

But I'm like friends with these people off screen, not all of them, but a lot of them, and we have, you know, our kids that played together, and the moms are friends.

But people who view the show can't see outside.

They think we're all a bunch of robots who turn on film a show and then shut down.

It's like, no, there's there's life happening beyond what you're watching.

Just because it's not captured doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Yeap, So it would make sense, but we'll see.

I don't know.

Yeah.

On another note, you're a huge Housewife fan, so I have to ask, what is your opinion on my mom?

I know you guys, I know you guys were just together at the iHeart event.

But for the viewers, And I'm not just saying this because you're in front of me, like.

I know, I'm like this question.

I mean, she's gonna say all nice things.

But if your mom was not your mom, like and it was someone else who I wasn't super fond of, I would probably tell you.

I'd say I think without great considering.

I've always thought your mom was such a gangster.

Yeah, the way that she.

Has handled every single thing that she's been given.

She never ran away, she never said we're not talking about it.

She's faced everything head on.

And when I watch through a different lens though, gia, because I know how the sausage is made, but I also watches like a real viewer, right, Yeah, And I've always been very into your mom.

Oh my, she has that thing that you can't quite explain, right, and her girls, you guys, you guys are a testament to who she is as a person.

Right, So, I think your mom is wonderful.

And I'm not just saying that because.

I love that, No, you got you.

It's similar energies.

You know, you feel it, you feel the energy.

But who what your favorite city to watch?

My favorite city?

So when people ask me I've never watched Housewives, where should I start?

I always tell them you should either start with og Roney or og Jersey.

You have to start there.

Okay, So those are my most favorite right now.

Miami is crushing it, I know.

But even Salt Lake City is too salt Lake.

I haven't watched the first episode yet.

So I'm very excited.

I'm a weirdo.

I'm like, I need to because I get addicted and I want back to back.

I know, I never met a housewife franchise.

I didn't like.

I'm like in I know I and you know what I feel like the the two cities that you said, it's so true because they go so deep, so you really see it from like start to finish, and just you could just tell, Okay, that was yeah, shit, that was like fifteen years ago.

Like it's crazy.

Even though o C is the longest Russ.

I always tell people that one can fall second, like Jersey New York, because you've got to build the appreciation.

You can't start with Salt Lake.

You have to build appreciation.

For how I agree?

Who is your Mount Rushmore?

Oh, your mom is definitely on it.

I think you would have to give a spot to Derinda because she's just everything.

Yeah, okay, your mom, and then honestly, I think either Tamra or Vicky deserve the next spot.

Yeah, valid, Yeah.

Derinda just she delivered, you know.

And she's still she still delivered delivers.

And what I love about her is when I'm in New York, We'll get dinner.

She is the same person that you see on TV.

Yeah, does the little things.

It is like she does not put on for the camera in any capacity.

So those are on Mount rushmore love that.

Is there anyone you can't stand?

Oh?

This one is so hard because I really really love them.

I really I have an appreciation for them all.

Honestly, I can't think of one person who I can't stand.

Is that so lame?

That's probably the lame?

And I mean no, because Bravo CON's coming up, I feel like we don't need to start any drama if we don't know.

But you know what, I'm not afraid of.

Like, but I honestly I have such an appreciation even for the person who's like the villain.

I'm like, do you realize.

Without they had to go through?

We should be loving that.

That's They're the only person we're talking about well watching without.

Really, if you weren't on vander Pump, which housewife city would you want to be on?

Based on the cast?

Oh?

I think og New York because I love their ability to go toes and say them craziest to each other.

Like, I feel like you fit New York vibe.

Though, like I could totally see you as a New Yorker, and I love how.

It's like, you know, Derinda's screaming to Sonia Morgan, you know, get an easy pass on that vagina, And literally the next morning they're like, totally fine, I'm that way.

Yeah we said it, but we're cool now.

I love that too.

I guess now I am in the bravosphere as well.

Have you gotten the chance to watch next Jen m.

Y say, I have not watched it yet?

Do you hate me?

No?

I don't watch it before Bravo Con and then.

I watch it.

How do you feel?

Are you?

Are you?

Did you have a good experience?

Yes, but it was different like I you know, everything that we talked about today on this pod, feeling the feeling that you are doing the right thing in the moment, but then when you watch yourself back, you wish that you may be handled it differently.

But at the end of the day, you said it and this is how it happened.

So I think they were waiting for me to.

Always have these mini Teresa moments because they love that Nepo baby, like they that's what they that's what.

They're doing on next Gen.

They're like, oh ne.

Nepo baby, Like all of these cast members have famous parents or you know, some correlation into like NYC socialite, and I just hated giving that to them, you know, because that's not me.

I was like, as much as yes, I have a temper, I could be a I understand that I'm Italian, like I understand how this rolls, but that's really not me.

Like, I genuinely have the biggest heart.

I am a hustler, I'm a hard worker, and I guess I could say I wish more of that was captured rather than Mini Teresa moments, you know.

And I don't even want to say that my mom only had crazy moments because people love her just for being her authentic self.

But they only showed moments where I got a little heated, and it was very I felt like that was my main moment on They only really showed moments where I was heated, and that's where they highlighted me.

And I wish I was highlighted in a way where they showed my hustle and how I work hard and how I'm in the city every day and this is what I do, and how I'm so loving and I have a big heart and I think people who have watched Jersey from the start saw that I am compassionate and and I do mean well, but sometimes I come off harsh and sometimes I can come off a little you know, like aggressive, and I'm you know, coming at you even though I'm not trying to.

I'm trying to like look out for you.

But then that's kind of where I need to like check myself and be like, all right, yes, this is Yujia.

You're a protector, you.

Have that mom instinct, but you also need to be a friend, and you can't always insert your opinion.

Not everybody's like you.

So it that was hard for.

Me to kind of balance because I felt like on Jersey, I was always with my mom and giving her advice and just trying to protect my family and protect our peace and then doing nextion.

Am I see?

On my own?

I was like, whoa, this is actually really different.

And I loved watching myself back because just like you said, it was a mirror and I self reflected and I was like, Okay, now I know how I'm going to be a better version of myself moving Oh.

And you know, they will capture those sides of you right like everyone else.

They capture you as you know, the person that the audience loves one season and then they know it's time to make the shift.

Yeah, you're going to have that moment where they're going to show all sides of you, because I.

Know, and I was like this, I was like, whatever, this season's over about of them doing this side to me?

You know you have to you lived it, It's done, and then we put it on the shelf and we move on because there's nothing we can do about it.

Right.

Yeah, I'm excited to watch.

I'll let you know what I think.

Thank you, I'll be I was.

I'm excited for it.

So I'm excited to get your opinion.

I'm bravo Cone because then you can give me tips.

You can give me tips.

Oh no, I don't know that you want tips from me.

No I do.

I do because I feel like I was giving La La energy y in early seasons of Awesome.

Well, Laala, thank you so much for coming on Casual Chaos today.

This was so much fun and I love chatting with you.

I had the best time.

Thank you for having me, babe, and I hope you had the best day ever.

Thank you you too.

Tell the babies I said hello hello,