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We are here for part two of our comparison of the movies teen Wolf and the Monster Squad, not to be confused with Monster Squad, some kind of weird seventies TV show where the monsters actually were the ones doing the crime fighting or whatever.

Yeah, it was like Scooby Doo or something.

Is a little weird, Yeah, a little weird.

Ye.

So we're back.

We just got at our last episode.

We just got done talking about casting for teen Wolf.

Now we're going to talk about casting for the Monster Squad.

Yes, what do you got?

Give me?

Man.

Okay, So first off, you got Andre Gower, he plays Sean Crenshaw.

Can somebody tell me what the sam hell is going on around here?

Well, we answer, but who are you.

With a monster squad?

Yes, this kid was like in all the eighties TV shows.

He was in Saint Elsewhere, a team, Night Rioter, Night Court.

Yeah.

He goes on to produce The Wolfman's Gotten Yards.

Wolfman's Gotten Nerds.

Most famous quote from this movie.

I think I probably saw it in the preview and I was like, I gotta go see that movie, which I did.

I was I was one of the literally dozens of people who watched this movie in the theater.

The tens of people literally does anyway.

Yeah, so he, like you said, he directed the Wolfman'scott Nards documentary, because, as it turns out, I was in a minority of people who saw it in the theater and then it went away very quickly, and they all just were angry.

The kid who played Rudy like he gave up on acting after this, and he had been in stuff.

He was in Kids Incorporated and his other stuff, and when it did poorly and he saw it, he was just like, I just don't want to I don't anybody to know about this.

I don't have anybody to know I'm an actor.

And he quit.

Yeah.

I heard him talk about this.

He was so hurt by the disappointment of this movie not doing anything, yeah, that he didn't want to talk about it.

He didn't mention it to people he dated or met.

He just put that away, right, and then compartmentalized.

He compartmentalized it.

Yes, And so then twenty or so years later, people have been seeing this movie on HBO and it's one of those you know, it's like Beast Master or Crawl.

It was just on on so people saw it over That's where I saw it, but it was it was on the underground, like it was kind of this wink and nod like you know Monster Squad, Yeah, I know Monster Squad.

Yeah.

And so you couldn't get it on DVD unless it was some bootleg that somebody had filmed, you know, was stolen off a Japanese disc or something like that, and you had this kind of collection of I don't want to call them cult followers because I don't know if it rises to that, but literally, Fred Decker had no idea that this movie was popular, Like it came out, and he said there were eight people in the They were going to all the theaters like you do when your movie comes out, and when you're at the premiere and there's eight people at the theater, it's not it's not a good sign.

Right, But this underground following just grew and grew, and there was this frustration because you couldn't get it on DVD.

And this guy had twentieth anniversary, right, he directs a twentieth anniversary little documentary.

He and some other folks lead the push to get this movie released on DVD, and his documentary is on the DVD.

And it's like, this became my calling card because once New Line said okay, we'll released on DVD, it was their best selling DVD of the year.

It's incredible, right, it's crazy.

And so they realized they've got this following and the draft house, the draft house finds the negative re could they find the original film?

And it's in New Zealand.

Yeah, it was in New Zealand.

Which he's like, that's where films will go to die, because you know, you people will.

You got all these collectors that they'll buy him and stuff.

But once he gets that far away.

Nobody's going to pay the money to have it shipped back over here with all of the care that you've got to take.

So that was the last one, and they got it back.

They got it back, did one of those draft house Alamo things, and they got the original people to show up, right who we'll talk about here in just a second.

Yeah, And when they showed up, the place was full and there was a line out the door, and they were all just astounded because this was this to them nothing movie that was an embarrassment that now had this huge following.

When I see Fred Decker and he's being interviewed about the Monks Squad, he does have great pride that it eventually its audience and that people love it.

But it looks to me like he still is stung from the failure at the box office, kind of disappointed.

I mean, and this is the guy that directed RoboCop two.

He did say I saw this a great quote.

He said, it's like taking a shot in basketball in nineteen eighty seven and it doesn't go in until two thousand and six.

Yeah, what a great analogy that is, Like he made it, nothing happened until it.

Did twenty years later.

Yeah.

Yeah, By the way, I did see some people talking about how Monster Squad was on HBO a lot.

It kind of found its audience there.

Yeah.

It was one of those movies you remember a Friday night where you would go to the Blockbuster or whatever, go the video store, and your mom would say, go pick out a movie whatever, and you'd run around the store and you look for something.

You know, if you're of a certain age, you can't grab Friday the thirteenth or nine n ol Street.

Well, you're not old enough for that, right.

Monster Squad was kind of a scary movie, but for little kids.

Yeah, it's kind of like Goosebumps before Goosebumps, right, it's it's goonies like they're Yeah, I mean it's goonies.

A couple of years later with the Universal Monsters.

All right, next on the list.

We talked about him before Robbi Kiger, who plays Patrick.

You're not a.

Virgin, are you?

No?

No?

What do you mean?

No?

What?

But he doesn't count count right?

And I can't find him anywhere other than pre this stuff, where he was with James Hampton in the whatever, that Maggie Maggie TV series that lasted for three episodes.

I do know that Robbie Kiger and Andre Gower were really good friends before the Monster Squad, were really tight and then they of course they go on to play best friends in the show.

So Seth Green, you know, I mean, he's been in a million things.

Probably most memorable for our audience is Doctor Evil's son.

Yeah, yeah, but I remember him from the Checking the Checkers Old Checkers commercial.

You remember that it was his first deal.

But he thought he got the he thought he had the part in this one because he read with the kid that plays Sean what's his name again?

What's the actor's name?

Andre Gower?

Right, And you had mentioned it but I kind of cut you off.

But Andre Gower is the one who then goes on to put together and direct this this documentary on it called Wolfman's Gotten Nerds and it's guys, it's fantastic.

Go check out Wolfman's Got rd is a really well done, well done It's worth the three ninety nine it is.

It is, by the way, yeah good and you can get it for free right now.

And two b okay our.

Good buddies over at the Film By podcast.

Yeah.

I talked to Jeff Johnson just the other day.

He said they went to a convention over the weekend.

The guys from the Monster Squad were there, namely Andre Gower and the guy who plays Rudy Ryan Lambert.

They're there, and the girl plays Phoebe she was there as well.

Right.

He said they hung out with them like they were gonna go to dinner with them, Like it's like stepbrothers, like we did best friends now.

So that's awesome.

Yeah, so I guess they they had a little connection there and hung out a little bit.

So that's when did that happen?

Weekend?

He was anxious to tell me about it because he knew.

So, wow, that's great.

Okay.

So Robbie Kaiger, as we said, he had been in Children of the Corn Stephen King.

Rules right right?

Yeah, all right, then we've got Stephen mact He plays Detective Dell Crenshaw.

Recognize him from anything.

Yes, but I can't remember.

Was he in total Recall?

No?

He had been in at the TV show Hotel Okay, It stars James Roland, yes, who was also p W.

A.

W.

Herman Raging Mister Herman.

And he was also in a movie called Graveyard Shift.

Okay.

Stephen King Rules right, okay, got nothing, all right?

Then you have Duncan Reger.

He plays Count Dracula.

Yes, Duncan Riger, Yes, got it.

Yes, Yes, he's great.

He's very good.

He's and he delivers a serious and scary performance.

And the scene where he picks her up by the throat, they didn't tell her what's coming, and she's literally five years old, little kid.

Yeah, she's tiny, right, And whenever he would do rehearsals or whatever, you know, run through the scene, he never wore the contact lenses, the red contacts, right, And she had no idea what he was going to say.

And so they they've got her on a platform so that, you know, he can lift, and she raises up and they're like, okay, So when he says what he's going to say, you scream and she's like, what's he going to say?

And they're like you'll know, yeah, yeah, And so he says his line you and opens his eyes and they're all red and she screams, but like it was genuine fear to the point that like she lost her breath.

Give me the ambulat and so it was like ah, and so they had to do this take over again.

But she was like I'll have it this time.

I got it.

I can tap into that.

Well, let's talk about her.

Her name is Ashley Bank.

She turned down the role of the little girl in Fatal Attraction to do the monster squad.

Oh, the bunny girl.

Any girl, geez.

Yeah.

She had been in Fraser, one of my favorite TV shows.

All right, and then she has gone around.

She does all these conventions as well.

She's older now she's got a kid, I think, and cool.

Yeah, all right.

By the way, I forgot to mention this.

The guy who almost got the part of Count Dracula was a then unknown Liam Neeson.

Really yeah, oh wow, okay.

In fact, there was supposed to be this idea that Count Dracula was going to disguise himself as a normal human being and like looked totally different.

Liam Neeson was hired to be the human walking around part.

They paid him, huh, but they didn't film his scenes, and of course he didn't make the movie.

Wow, okay, interesting, interesting, all right.

Tom Noonan plays Frankenstein's monster.

Tom Nowton.

We've talked about it before, Yes, throw it, throw it back again.

Shane Black last action.

He's right, he's the he's the killer that comes.

He's both the killer and the actor.

That's right.

Yeah, that's right.

What the heck happened Last Action Hero?

Yeah, we check it out.

Have you ever seen the movie Man Hunter?

I have.

That is the first movie that has Hannibal Lecter in it.

Yep, it's really good.

Yeah.

And he plays the Red Dragon.

I mean he's he's the killer.

He is known for playing monsters and killers.

That's right.

Yeap, he got this part from that.

By the way, Catherine Bigelow had watched Manhunter saw him as like, I have got to get him in my movie Near Dark.

Oh yeah, that's the other vampire movie of the late eighties.

Right, Bill Paxton, Jeanette Goldstein, who from.

All the alien movies.

Yeah, and the other guy guy who plays Bishop, like the three people from Aliens.

We're going to be in Near Dark.

And Catherine Bigelow was so intent on getting tom Noonan, like she would show up at the monster squad like filming nice and he said no, I told you no.

She's like, no, I'm not leaving until you say yes.

And he's sill.

Said, now, all right, let's talk about Brent Challim for a second.

Okay, he's the guy who plays horse.

Man's Got.

Fat Kid.

Yeah, his character is referred to as fat Kid, not Horace.

And it's terrible.

It's terrible to watch that.

And I mean even his friends like a fat kid farted.

I mean, it's just it's awful.

It is, it's terrible.

It's painful to watch, Yes, it really is.

The really painful though thing though, is that he never lived long enough to see the Monster Squad's success, and he.

Has probably short of well, he's got both of the most memorable lines in the movie.

He's wolf Man's Got Narch, that's him and then my name, my name is Horace.

Yeah, heck yeah, yeah.

Tragically he you know, as he got older.

I think he was in his early twenties, nineteen ninety seven, so he was, yeah, twenty one to two something like that.

Yeah, he had some he had some asthma problems.

Then he got pneumonia and that he was in the hospital for a while.

They had a little canula.

They sent him home with oxygen the canula.

Canula came out.

He was in bad shape.

They rushed him back to the hospital and then in the er they gave him some medicine that they should not have given him.

That with his asthma basically ended his life.

And so you know, like family called in say goodbye, he's not gonna make it.

And yeah, tragically, unlike the other kids who like thought this movie was terrible and then found out later that everybody loves it, he didn't never get to find that out.

So it's tragic, given that he's got the two best lines in the movie.

It is tragic.

Oh, by the way, I wanted to mention Ryan Lambert, the guy who played Rudy.

I'm in the Damn Club ar.

Yeah, okay, he was in Kids Incorporate.

He's incorporated and you sent me a picture today and blue my socks on.

Yeah, because you know who else was in Kids Incorporated?

Fergie Fergie Yeah, from Black Eyed Peas.

Yeah, it's like they were, like I showed you the picture.

They're there together, they played the they played the kids songs in the kid Club together.

That's incredible.

Yeah.

Do you know that he is an ordained minister.

I know that he's an ordained minister.

And I also known that he presided over the wedding of you go ahead and say it.

I know you know it.

Freak stallone, no no, no needle drop for barking right now, Oh my gosh.

All right.

Uh.

You also have Michael Faustina, who plays Eugene.

He was in Blank Check and Suburban Commando.

Blank Check, blank Check, the Blake Snyderscript, the guy who wrote to Save the Cat.

That's right, Yeah, that's right, all right, And now we're getting to some people I actually know.

Jonathan Greese plays the Wolfman, yes, or Desperate Man as it says.

Yes, because they had to be careful because they didn't have rights to the Universal monsters.

Right.

Yeah, But we just talked about him a little bit early.

It was earlier this year, right, we did Real Genius Versus Weird Science, and he of course plays as low as Low.

That's it.

He plays las Low.

He was also in Running Scared.

He's one of the detectives and Runing Scared.

Oh yeah.

And also Napoleon Dynamite Uncle Rico.

He's Uncle Rico.

So I could throw this football over that mountain.

Thing's funny.

Man, he's great, you know in this he's a little over the top when he's like, arrest me, arrest me, you know, and they end up having a shoot him.

Yeah.

So Mary Ellen Trainer is the mom.

She's in so many things.

We talked about this, so many things she's in.

Obviously, she's in Lethal Weapons.

She's the mom in the Goonies, which is I mean, it's just an ironic crossover here.

And you'll be in deep, the absolute deepest mine.

That's it.

I don't like her.

Uh yeah, she's in lethal Weapon.

She's in die Hard.

Okay, hang on, hang which we compared, by the way, in a Christmas episode in our season one, season two.

I can't remember one of those two.

Go check that one out this Christmas.

Yes, let's let's look at her resume.

Leth a Weapon, die Hard, Goonies, Romance in the Stone for Scooged, Scrooged for Scumpum Forest Gumpe.

She's the friend of Genny who drops little Forest off.

She's like, I gotta go, gotta run and walks out the door like she's that she's for that long.

But that's her.

You know why she's married to Robertchis.

Yes.

Of course, by the.

Way, she plays John Wilder's sister in romantic instance.

John Wilder Joan Wilder, I really tell.

You movies, Okay, Yes, And of course she's in Scrooged I ask you hot or not hot?

You said not hot, Bill Murray still chasing her skirt and Scrooge right.

Uh.

Then you have Leonardo Semino.

Okay, Leonardo Semino as scary German guy.

Ah yes, yeah, yeah, the guy that you think is the bad guy but ends up being the best, most likable character in the movie.

Yep.

One other guy that I want to bring up to you Jason Hervey.

Jason Hervey from the Wonder Years and who we just talked about in Peewee's Big Adventure.

That's right, I was ready.

I've been ready.

Roll Okay, tell me this.

In that last scene in the Monster Squad when he and that other kid, whoever the other other kid is, you know, because he's the bully, right j Yeah, yeah, he's hiding.

Won't let Horace into the really as as the gild Man is coming up.

Right.

He's wearing a jersey, Yeah he is?

Is it?

Is it?

Walter Walter, which, of course Fred Savage who is also in the Wonder Years with him.

That's he's wearing Walter Payton jersey in the Princess Princess.

That's a I love it.

Yeah, all right, here's my nugget I'm ready to drop on you.

So you have Lisa Fuller who plays Lisa Rhodes.

Okay, yes, and that's the version, the non version, that's your sister majors.

Right, yeah, here's my here's my nugget.

Okay, totally nobody else cares about that but me, you and maybe a couple of guys who went to Shirley Fast.

Okay, her husband you know his name, married a guy.

His name is Dan Goutier.

Is he spelled like our friend, he spells it Gothier?

Yep?

Nice, here it does there you go?

So apparently a little French thing.

Yeah, very nice.

Okay.

And then also the only other thing I was going to bring up to you is you have Tom Woodruff Junior, who plays Gilman.

All Right, you know what that ties in perfectly to what we're going to talk about next, which is special effects.

Right, and just again, you know I said this in our first the first part of this comparison.

I feel like we had a movie that shouldn't have made it but did because of master marketing, master marketing, and I have and we have a movie that should have made it but didn't, which I think was also due to terrible marketing, right, Monster Squad, what do they do?

They they put wanted posters of the monsters up as they're advertising.

Like, that's the worst idea I've ever heard.

I mean, this is the late eighties.

You've got all of these you got goonies, you got all of these John Hughes movies.

This is this They've got a very Spielberg style of this movie.

You advertise it like.

That, and then not to mention, you've got the guy who wrote freaking Lethal Weapon as the writer of this movie.

You say, from the writer of Lethal Weapon, and you show the you show the trailer, whereas Wolfman's got arts.

That is what That is the way you market this movie.

Not wanted posters of the Mummy and gil Man.

And they were terribly drawn, Like yeah.

They're not even faith Yeah, it was like a pencil drawing.

It was.

It was very, very bad.

But anyway, just to emphasize my point of this movie should have made it.

The guy who was in charge of special effects for this movie, Stan freaking Winston wins He's a mass icon, right, He's just an icon star Wars.

I mean he's the guy, you know, the gopher on Caddyshack, lest we forget, go back and check out our Caddyshack versus Happy Gilmour episode.

And so anyway, stan Winston's in charge.

They don't have the rights to the monster movies.

All these guys that he's got to work on it with him, they're like, oh, man, you know, we wanted to make the monsters like.

We can still make the monsters, they just can't look like exact right.

And so Frankenstein in the Monster Squad has the bolts on his head instead of his neck, and a lot of this is stan Winston's drawings, right.

Dracula is kind of a classic look of Dracula, not very bela Legosi at all.

And then Creature from the Black Lagoon.

They never call him that, they call him gil Man.

Wolfman is like a combination of a whole because there were a ton of where Wolf movies in that time period.

The one he looked most like to me was the Oliver Reed, like the Curse of the Wolf Man.

He had that, you know, the torn white shirt and the jeans on it.

Just it looked like that to me.

So anyway, you get all of these guys doing makeup and one of those guys is Tom Woodroff junior, right, and so he's he and they all have gone on to become great famous makeup artists in their own right, but they're new guys at this point.

But he had made a body cast for himself just so that he could put different things on it, but it was his own body, right, And so they get to the point that they're like, hey, we're we need to do the Gillman costume, which is another couple of guys was doing.

He was working on Frankenstein.

And he's like, well, I've got my body mold, you can use that.

And so they they put the costume, which is I mean a one piece deal for Gilman, on the mold that Tom Woodroff had created out of his own body, right.

And so once he sees the costume, he's like, I never do this, But I pushed and I said, Stan, I want to be the guy.

I want to be the Gilman.

You're not gonna see my face.

I'll have everything on.

I don't really know.

It's good.

Ida's like police, And so they let the guy, the guy who did the makeup for Frankenstein was the guy who played Gilman.

It was one piece suit there was no exit holes.

I love it.

No peeing.

You can't pee, and the first thing that you do is you go in the ice cold water.

Yeah, he said he fell shot all day.

He was exhausted, went back to his trailer, fell asleep in the costume, and woke up not remembering that he was still in the costume.

And it was like a panic attack.

It's like, you got to calm yourself down.

What's going on?

Yeah, you know, you're talking special effects and this is the eighties, this is before CGI.

You know, you had to kind of conform to the demands in the suit.

So it's a one piece suit and it's it looks super cool, Like I love the Gilman outfit in this the Wolfman can't move his he has no movement in his neck.

He looks a little stiff.

But I really like Gilman.

I think Frankenstein's great.

Them is awesome.

But I also flipped back to Team Wolf for a second.

The guys who did the makeup and special effects over there.

When they would put Michael J.

Fox and Jeff Glossman in the Wolf, they had to drink milkshakes all day because and I thought this is really weird.

I thought it was like, you couldn't get big.

It's because if you chew, you're messing up all the makeup.

It just stuff just begins to fall off your face, right, And he said, on top of that sweating which they were doing in the basketball arena, you know, it absorbed sweat.

So it's like he's like, any time of the day you could go just be squored out sweat.

So they couldn't eat anything, just milkshakes, and then it was still a challenge to keep it all on his face.

Jeff Glossman said they were playing basketball one day.

He went up, got a rebound turn and a guy he caught a stray elbow and it messed everything up and they had to shut it down just to reapply the makeouks.

Yeah, okay, so we're about to get in sounds like special effects for teen Wolf.

But just before we go, there two guys that we haven't mentioned.

John Rosngrant and Shane Mayhan were both involved with Monster Squad.

Rosengrant did the Wolfman costume.

Shane Mayhan did the Mummy costume.

By the way, Mummy played by the guy who was the skinny guy in Batman and Robin the Bane before he became big same guy anyway, those two guys, Rosenngrant and Mayhan.

Both of those guys went on to work together on Avatar The Way of Water.

There you go.

Yeah, I love that movie.

Yeah, oddly neither one of them did Gilman.

I don't know how that worked anyway.

So back over, jump back into Teen Wolf special effects.

Alex P.

Keaton's putting yak hair on his face and wondering why he's gonna be high school monster movie instead of with crazy Crispin over at that Steven Spielberg movie.

Yes for sure.

Okay, So the three main people responsible for the effects for Teen Wolf, yep, you have Thomas Berman, you have Jeff Dawn, and you have Kyle Sweet.

Okay, I give you info in two of those.

Yeah, I got the third one, I think.

Okay.

Thomas Berman first job in Hollywood, and he was uncredited for this, but was planned the apes nineteen sixty eight.

He was putting yak hair on people's faces again, right, and then he goes on to do a lot of stuff.

Does Invasion of the Body Snatchers the old like nineteen seventy eight one with Donald Sutherland in it?

Right?

Does Scrooged actually gets nominated, if not won the Oscar for the makeup on Scrooge.

And a year after this came out, he did the makeup for Howard the Duck.

Wow, that's a movie.

We gotta do.

What the heck happened on at some point?

Absolutely so.

The other guy you mentioned was Jeff Dawn.

Now, Jeff down did the special effects for Terminator two, which we talked about, did the special effects for Total Recall, which we talked with the thirty something movie guys about like four years ago.

I think the heck, that may have been twenty twenty.

That might have been that long ago.

That was a long time ago.

Go guy, go check out the thirty something movie podcasts.

Are good thoughts over there, lots of good stuff.

ILLINOI contingent over there, yep.

And for our friend and just an awesome dude, Chuck Bryan, he's over there at the Cinematic Flashback podcast.

Good check.

Be sure and check that one out.

Jeff Don did the makeup for Star Trek for the Voyage Home.

It's a good one.

Yeah, all right, I got a little bit for you on Kyle Sweet.

Okay, yeah, Kyle Sweet.

Kyle is there like an R and b guy named Kyle Sweet.

I don't know anyway, go ahead, Kyle Sweet is actually a woman?

Oh okay?

And no, no, Kyle Kyle Okay, and she's pretty pretty hot woman.

Really.

I wonder if she goes to the Kyle Convention every year.

Did you know that there's a convention of Kyle's what?

Yes, like like guys, because I didn't know they were a girl's named Kyle.

They all get like, I have that this big convention.

If your name is Kyle, you can go to the Kyle Convention.

I imagine she would be pretty popular at the Kyle Convention.

Okay, okay.

So she did makeup work on Night of the Creeps, which of course is a Fred Decker movie.

Right, so she had done nine of the Creeps.

Here's the interesting thing about Kyle Sweet.

In one of the scenes where the space Slugs get a guy a Night of the Creeps, you can see graffiti on the bathroom wall that says Striper rules like the rock group Striper.

The Christian rock Christian heavy hair metal.

Hey, I like Stripper had an album we Know Your History.

Yeah, but she married Michael Sweet, who is the lead singer of Stripper.

Ah.

Well, there you go.

That's why you have these stripper striper rules.

There you go.

Great, good story.

Okay.

So the composer for the Monster Squad, yeah, guy named Bruce Broughton.

Pretty sure that we brought him up before because he was the composer for Tombstone, I mean, among many other one.

Okay, but anyway, I don't know that the score of this movie particularly stuck out to me.

It's good, it does what it's supposed to do, but it didn't register.

But it's not supposed to.

I don't know.

It's good.

It's good enough, right yeah, well, no, not so much.

But I do have a little tidbit for you on the music of the Monster Squad.

Okay, so there's two songs I want to bring up to you in the Monster Squard.

One is called rock until You Drop, not rock Rock until you Drop.

You know that's a deaf leverd song.

Okay, Rock until you Drop?

And the Monsters Squad rap.

Stop there.

We'll stand up for the right on the mouth comes down?

Yes, right, yeah, I remember that.

Okay.

Now, both of these were performed by a guy named Michael Simbelo.

Okay, does that name ring a bell to you?

It does?

But I don't remember from what he had.

A massive one hit wonder from the eighties that I'm gonna play.

For you right now.

Okay, recognize this one.

Yeah, this is She's a maniac like this is.

I have two songs from the movie Flash Dance on my phone and this is one of them.

She's a maniac, dude.

This is a great song, I know.

Michael Simbello, Wow about that.

That's a good one.

All right, good one.

Okay.

So we're gonna talk music from teen Wolf.

The only thing I got for you on the music from teen Wolf Beach Boys.

Beach Boys, You've got the massive Surfing USA drop, and you know, you know that some idiots were out there surfing on the top of vans after this.

I wonder if there's anybody with, like, you know, a vegetable in a chair now because they decided to band surf.

Sorry, please don't call the show that's you.

I mean, not that you could, you know, going straight to hell for that one.

Okay.

So, yes, you have the massive Beach Boys needle drop, where a whole new generation is exposed to surfing USA.

Hello Deaf Dave love it the song they really wanted for this movie but didn't get because they couldn't afford it, Okay, and I imagine it's because they had landed surf in USA and didn't have anything left over.

They want to wear Wolves of London.

Yeah, I kind of expected it to be there.

Yeah, they got some similar They have some similar sounding songs, like when he comes in for the dance.

That song has a very Werewolves of London vibe to it.

Yeah.

I heard Susan Rcetti talking about she believes that the closing song when he hits the free throw at the end of the movie and you have that the needle drop of that crappy, sappy song, She's like, I feel like that could have been a hit, you know.

And I was like, no boof no, no hu to me, there's a few problems that I have with Teen Wolf, Yeah, and that is one of them.

The song at the end sucks.

Okay, Okay, all right, that's that's fair.

I thought you were gonna say something about the opposing player standing underneath the goal while you shoot.

That is the technical foul free throws.

Listen, the fact that that there's a werewolf playing basketball got no problem with no problems the opposing player standing underneath the basket while you shooting free throw at the end of the game.

Can't happen.

It's not right breaking the rules.

I have seen some crazier stuff go down in high school games.

I promise you that, and the ref just let it happen.

That's ridiculous, it is.

Yeah, yeah, okay, well, okay, before we before we move on, I just want it there.

It's a couple of things.

There's that thing, and there's this huge thing.

And I'm gonna look at you guys, because you've probably if you're familiar at all with Teen Wolf, you're probably familiar with that very last closing scene, just as it's freeze from and the credits start to roll.

Let's talk just before that, somebody pointed out at some point when you've got the VCR tape or the DVD or whatever, you're like, there's a dude standing up and his pants are unbuttoned and it looks like his johnson might be out.

Yeah, and like it's gone on like that.

Everybody's looked at it carefully, like, dude, that could be it.

But you know, it's framed in such a way that it's not in focus, right, it's.

Right behind Michael J.

Fox and James Hampton.

Literally the last scene in motion of the movie stands up and they're like buttoning on their pants.

Right, So there's this big controversy to this guy have his wang out as they're filming this len and they missed it and name you mean my waning?

They missed it and left it in the movie.

There's the penis in the movie.

So these guys went to do some investigation, right, they really wanted to find out.

They tried to find out who the actors were in the scene, couldn't find it, couldn't find who who the extras were until.

I will tell you this before you tell us the until the editor of the movie.

Yeah, got lit up by the director like how could you?

How could you miss that?

Right?

And she's like, dude, what are you talking about?

You're the one who shot you right there?

I wasn't that right.

This signing of blame was was kind.

Of hard on.

And so these guys do an investigation.

They find the original negative and it turns out that they filmed it in a different ratio than you actually see it.

What the ratio they filmed it in is taller than what we got.

They cut it down, and so what they were able to do was lift back up and see who that person was.

And I can promise you she didn't have her cout.

Yes, it's very clearly a woman.

It's a lady.

It's not a guy at all.

And maybe she had her pants undone.

I mean they were tight jeans back in those days, and they were mom jeans.

They gotta be cutting into You tell me when you've been filming all day long unploated and some unbuttoned after lunch, man, Yeah, we've all been there.

Yeah.

So I love that we discussed it.

We can kind of put that one that that to bed.

That is an urban myth.

It is not really some guy exposing himself.

Right, Okay, I've got a couple of tidbits on Teen Wolf.

Are we ready for tidbits?

Let's do it all right.

So, one of the mistakes that Jeff Loeb felt about Teen Wolf, he said, there's one mistake that I would totally change if I could.

I don't know if you remember it, but they're at the bowling Alley and Mick, who's trying to bully Scott as the wolf, trying to make him mad.

He mentions the fact that he basically murdered his mother.

Yeah, he talked about how robbing the chicken check or whatever, and he's like, you know that was too much.

Yeah.

I guess probably when I was a kid, I thought, oh, that's really what happened to his mom.

As a grown up watching this, I thought, that's just something that he's just saying just to goat him.

He's I mean, he's clearly going him.

I mean, we know what happens with with wolf people they turned back into humans.

He would have been guilty of murder.

Also, how likely is it that a wolf man married a wolf woman?

Now that's right?

Yeah?

Uh so he still gets like people come up to and ask him, did Mick murder Scott's money?

Yeah?

Yeah, okay, all right.

There was also a cut scene from Teen Wolf I want to bring up to you, okay, and I think it could have changed the whole tone of the movie, right, right, So they had a dream sequence where Scott as the wolf appeared on Johnny Carson.

Okay, okay, right.

Yeah.

The problem with that is is that the director Rob Daniel.

Yeah, he said, we can't take it out of the bubble, like this can't be bigger than life.

All right, because everybody would be at the high school.

I mean, it's just it has to be.

You have to have this at the school.

It's a werewolf playing basketball and that's it.

He can't go on Johnny Carson, No, that would be okay, Yeah I can.

I can see that this needs to be in its own world.

Yeah.

Yes, I got another story for you, a tidbit from maybe a tid note.

I can't decide if it's a tid note or tidbit.

Right.

So Jerry Levine, of course is Styles.

Yes, he's been around the world and people have recognized him as Styles.

He was at the Whaling Wall in Jerusalem and somebody came up to me, like, Styles, right, But here's the funny.

Jewish I don't know.

Keep going, you're asking me questions.

So what are Jewish?

Don't dig on swine man?

What about workshops?

Bacon tastes good, workshops day is good?

Anyway, go ahead.

Sorry.

So he was at a billige old concert in the Hollywood Bowl, okay, and he's like, you know, I was there.

I was just there to see a billage old concert.

And he's like, I don't really know if they know Styles is in the house.

Or not until all of a sudden, I realize Styles is in the house, right, So Billy Joel breaks out into a rendition of Surfing USA, and he's like, everybody around him starts going pointing at him like, oh my god.

He's like and he realized everybody standing around him knew he was Styles, yes, and basically wanted him to.

Dance, to do the surf, to do the surf dance.

Oh wow, he said.

He gave him a little something.

Okay, gave him a little something, yeah, which is hilarious.

And then okay, so they filmed this, as we said in South Pasadena.

Director Rod Daniel kind of came up with a wild idea like, no, we've got to move this to Nebraska.

This is said in Nebraska.

Okay, did you know it said in Nebraska.

I did not know it said in Nebraska.

The only thing I could tell was from Nebraska is there's a bumper sticker in the coach's office that said Husker Power.

Okay, that's the only thing that really ties it to Nebraska.

All right.

So he's like, we got to move this whole thing in Nebraska, and they're like, no, we can just do Pasadena's right, here with you know, no, we got it, and so he finally they they were kind of fought him on it.

He's like, well, let me go spend a week in Nebraska and see what we can do in Nebraska.

Okay, so like, fine, go to Nebraska, go check it out.

If you really feel strong about it, let us know.

So he went and, like the director like went to like high school parties and stuff, and so he's like checking out high school parties, right, Okay.

When he comes back, he's like, fine, we don't have to go to Nebraska.

And they're like, right, that's what we thought too.

Yeah.

He's like, but I want to add some stuff to teen Wolf and they're like, what is it.

He's like, I went to this party and they played like two minutes in the closet, like no rules, and he's like they're like, yeah, okay, that's good.

And he's like and they had this other game where you had to like you pour jello down somebody's shirt, and I was like, these kids in Nebraska, what are they doing?

Man?

Well I got to wonder, like, how does a guy in his what probably early thirties maybe show up at a high school party and they're just cool with it, I know, right, Like, hey, watch us throw a jello this girl's shirt.

You want to get in a closet with this one of these high school girls?

What?

So that's weird.

That's what he came back with from Nebraska.

Wow?

Okay, did he come back with a keg?

I would a keg of beer?

Yeah?

All right, I got two tidbits for you on Monster Squad.

Okay, at the release of Monster Squad, do you know who showed up to show support for the Monster Squad?

Kiefer Sutherland.

He's got the Lost Boys going on right there.

The dude who like single handedly destroyed the Monster Squad showed up at the premiere.

Interesting.

Yeah, I thought that was kind of interesting.

Yeah.

And here's my I'm ready to drop this nugget on you.

Okay.

Yeah.

So we have maryel and Trainer who's in the Monster Squad.

Yes, and she plays the mom we're gonna talk about that.

She was in Diehard.

She plays the newscaster Gail Wallace.

Yes, the dad in the Monster Squad, the one who goes into the rooms, look you know the kids, like, there's a monster in my closet?

Oh right, right, the the guy who's like the Mummy is behind him and he's like, yeah.

There's monsters in here, and where are you monsters?

All monsters gotta get out of here.

Of course he's not.

He doesn't see the Mummy and all that stuff.

That dude, that actor is the guy at the beginning of Diehard who tells Bruce Willis that the best way to relax is to take off your shoes and socks and make fists with your toes.

Toes.

Yes, wow, how about that?

Nice?

Yes?

And it just occurs to me just as just because I love to tie these movies together.

Mary Ellen Trainor is the mom in the Monster Squad.

Yes.

Mary Ellen Trainer, as we mentioned, was married to Robert Tamachas.

Yes.

Robert Jamachis directed Back to the Future.

Yes, which is the movie that made Teen Wolf a big movie.

Absolutely?

How about that?

Okay, fascinating?

Are we the final judgment?

Now?

I got one other story I want to tell you real quick, okay, before we get the final judgment.

The reception of these movies was interesting night and day.

Okay, at Teen Wolf, they showed like they screened the movie for a bunch of people in Hollywood.

Okay, Well, as they're watching the movie.

They get to the tenth reel.

This is like the final basketball scene, okay, which on a side note, Michael J.

Fox, you know, they had set up all these basketball shots to make cinematic basketball, and he finally went to the director and he's like, look, just let us play.

We're just gonna play basketball, and just film is playing basketball, and just get shots from that.

After an hour of nobody coming near the bucket, he's like, guys, this is terrible.

He's like, somewhere in the locker there is an hour worth of the worst basketball footage you've ever seen.

But anyway, they get to the final scene, you know, with the basketball where Scott's playing and not the wolf.

And anyway, they realize the editor and the director are watching this with the crowd.

They realize this is the wrong cut of the movie.

This is the wrong reel.

Okay, they're watching this.

It's missing like the school the music, like the emotional music, right, and so they're like, what do we do it's missing the music.

She's like, I don't know what should we do, and he's like, it's so important to have the score in the final scene.

We've got to have it.

So they stop the screening and they say, look, everybody, sorry, we got a technical difficulty.

We're gonna run right down the street and get the real will be right back.

He was like, the fact that nobody left, right, nobody left tells me that people were on the hook for this movie because I knew we had a hit.

At that moment, he said, Now, I was doing ninety miles an hour through gas stations and stuff to go four miles there, pick it up, come four miles back, right, he goes.

When I got back, nobody had left, and I knew we had a hit.

This is this movie.

I'm just gonna say it.

But for Michael J.

Fox, this movie fails hard, probably so hard.

And I will refer to you to one scene and we've already talked about it, and it is the scene where he is in he's just discovered he's the wolf.

He's in the school.

He realizes he's changing.

It's like he's trying to do the math, and he's his claws come out and he's like, gott to escape, and he's running trying to find a bathroom to hide in and he runs down the hall.

The janitor is like, that's what and you see him and I mean it's it's like four seconds stuff slip slip, slip, slip slip slip slip, does not fall.

Cut scene too.

You're looking at him from down the hall of this Huh he does fall but keep going right, but he stays up.

But then like just at this last second and you just see him go whoosh.

It is comedy.

It's old Like, I don't know how physically he was able to keep his balance with all of that stuff fall at the perfect moment for the comedy and then also get the fall for when he slides by as you cut, as you take the second camera angle that and I'm just like, this guy is a genius.

He's a genius.

And what is I don't want to bring it down, but I just need to know this.

What is tragic is what's happened to this poor guy's body.

Since then, his wife, who he met on family ties.

I almost said growing pains.

His wife we'd met on family ties, has been by his side through all of this.

But I mean, he found out he had Parkinson's in his late twenties.

He had not even been like on fire, top of the world.

Movie after hit after movie after than bigger than bubblegum as he says yes, and then all of a sudden, all of his movies start to do badly, right, and they talk about how he's gotten too comfortable, and he's he was thinking, oh, you know, I've just got to where I don't have to ham it up now.

This is Parkinson's given him the mask, and which is why a lot of what he did post finding out about the disease, but before it kind of took him out of the movie business, didn't do as well.

But there's a documentary that you can watch on Apple TV right now called Still Watch It.

It's incredible.

I'm excited to check it out.

Yeah, all right, final judgment.

Here we are, Here we go.

You go first?

All right, Okay, So I'm.

Just gonna say like this, I mean, for me, I think it's real important to the age you were when you saw these movies.

Right.

So, I was twelve when I saw Teen Wolf, and Teen Wolf had everything I aspired to, Right.

I wanted to be a basketball star.

I wanted to be in the closet with the girl for two minutes, and I wanted to surf and be popular and be that guy right right, and muster Squad I was fourteen fifteen when I saw it, and those were little kids, and so I wasn't as interested in the little rascals at the time.

I was more interested that summer in Beverly Hills Cop Part two right right, and Stake Out and Jaws The Revenge and stuff like that, and Predator.

Yeah, I mean so when I first saw them, the movie that impacted me the most clearly was Teen Wolf, and it remains to this day.

I do enjoy Monster Squad.

I would even love to show it to my kids.

You know.

I think it's a great fun movie.

I loved the.

Universal monster movies, but for me, it's Teen Wolf all day, every day, mainly because Michael J.

Fox is so unbelievably irresistible.

That's it.

Yep.

And before we rewatched these movies, I would have one said the same thing, like Michael J.

Fox charisma is all over this thing.

Even though he thought he was making a bad be movie, high school monster thing at the time.

He absolutely makes this movie.

He and the dad, no doubt, James Hampton does a great job.

Absolutely make this movie.

Loved it when I saw it in the theater.

Loved that moment when he opens the door and James Hampton is wolfed out a very cuddly, ewakeee kind of he said.

When they screened that movie for the first time, he said that moment only happens every very very rarely.

He said.

The whole place died laughing.

He just soaked that in and said that we've nailed it.

Yeah, it was very very well done, super funny.

But upon the rewatch, I actually was genuinely impressed with Monster Squad.

I had not seen it since I saw it in the theater.

I might have seen it, like maybe at a friend's house one night, you know, at you know, whatever age I was, but you point out ages and that it's very important.

When I was nine, when Teen Wolf came out, I loved it because I mean, even at nine, I still wanted to be with a girl in closet, but I also wanted to be a wolfman, right sure, And I loved the universal Monsters, and so I loved Monster Squad when I watched it.

And going back and looking at at this movie, I don't know if it's just because it didn't make it at the time that I've got this I get this feeling, or just because it's really a very well written script like which makes sense now that we know, but this was I understand Shane Black when he says this is my best script.

It's really well put together.

Even at the opening, you know, the opening texts on the screen of about Van Helsing and how they tried to save the world and they blew it.

I laughed out loud.

And I haven't even seen one scene of the movie, you know, And so this is hard to say.

It's a very close call.

Any day.

I could easily pick Teen Wolf.

I'm wearing the shirt, I've got the funk pop Yeah, but I just I'm gonna go with Monster Squad, just because it's such a well done script and for as low a budget as it was.

The end is exciting, the acting is good, the characters, you know, they're they're the goonies.

And for me, I was twelve when that came out.

I was the same age as those kids.

Yeah, yeah, it's it's Monster Squad for Metastic man.

I love it.

I love it.

I love it.

When we picked opposites.

Yeah, all right, let's talk about what we got coming next week?

Okay, what do we got coming next week?

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Okay, thirty three million albums sold.

Jagged Little Pill.

You ought to know Alanis Morrisett.

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Putting her against Jewel and dang no doubt?

Right, ladies right there, all very foxy back then, A couple of them still very foxy.

I'll let you decide which your couple.

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