Drama, Darling.

Drama, Darling.

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Welcome back in Darlings.

It's a Salt Lake City day and we're celebrating America and we're going to be I'm in red and white.

I have my best founding father outfit on.

It's the best I could do founding realtor.

Sure right, it is a blazer.

It is a blazer.

It's a rand blazer and a ruffled collar.

It looks good.

Yeah, I mean you've achieved a founding father luck.

Thank you very much.

I feel it feels powerful.

Oh and I have a feather pen.

Look at this.

It's not white.

Maddie got this for me for like holiday.

I don't remember.

It was my birthday.

Isn't that so sweet?

That's really cool.

I know it's from my favorite store up here in Santa Clarita called Barn and Charm.

Barn and Charm.

This is a charm.

And a little barn.

I'm not gonna be a little bit of barn side of this actual feather.

So yeah, it's probably more barn than it is charm.

Anyway.

Wow, So what an episode?

Excited to discuss it?

Darling's what happened on this episode?

Well, let's discuss.

Let's get right into it.

Thank you, thank you very much.

We'll start at the beginning.

Cheers with our teacups.

Cheers, cheers to cheers.

Yay.

I wanted closer shots of those teacups.

I'm just going to say, you always do, and you should.

I imagine that they remember when Shannon spent like, what was it like three thousand dollars on those plates and they didn't deliver the right ones.

Oh my god, I wonder what they charged, what they charged in Salt Lake City for those dishes, the whole setup, what did like she rented a warehouse or was it a sound stage?

I guess it looked like a sound stage, That's what I think it was, and then like all the fixings that come with it, you know, for that, I think that was brilliant.

No one's ever done that before.

It was pretty cool.

I mean, I have to think that there aren't many sound stages in Salt Lake City.

But maybe I'm wrong with all these influencers.

Maybe they have.

Maybe there's tons of sound stages, but I like, hm, I just don't.

I guess every city must have once at least one sound stage.

Let's start taking advantage of those.

Yeah, let's let's do it.

Yeah, I think it was smart.

I mean I'm sure, Like listen, in Salt Lake they can get you know, airplane hangars for influencer events.

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Absolutely, okay, just Bronwyn is winning on so many levels, like in you know, on screen, off screen in so many ways.

And the gown that she wore with the Constitution on it, I mean, wow, it's incredible.

She's showing up and she's showing out totally.

And if you're going to immediately repurpose an idea from last season, I ea stealing.

Yeah, you're right.

If you're gonna take Heather's idea.

Immediately, yeah, you've better read a soundstage and make it look totally different.

Even though we're all like, I was so glad Heather said, Wait, a second.

I did this.

Honestly, it says a lot about Heather that she didn't like troll her for stealing the idea, you know what I mean.

But and so good for her, but yeah, it was a recycled idea.

Yeah, like albeit good but still.

Yeah, she didn't take the cell phones out and that and she could argue, well, that didn't involve cell phones, but it involved the whole idea of it and the terrible, generic, broken promises that were made.

It didn't get as dark, you know.

Maybe this was like the two point zero version of it being a little bit better.

I mean, it did explode, but I was more interested to find out if that constitution gown was a Christian Seriano, because she wears a lot of her his stuff and.

It really looked she said she always.

Pays yeah, yeah, and other housewives do not.

Yeah, so that was right.

Okay, Well why don't we start at the beginning, when ron Win meets Todd at the airport in a sloth costume, yet.

To celebrate the opening of Zutopia too when this one air, They're like, you know, Zutopia two is opening, when this will air?

Fastest Sloth in the Salt Lake city area, Come on, Todd boo.

I was like, oh my gosh, she's trying to like I mean, she sneaks up behind him.

She's scared living daylights out of him.

I was like, maybe we have a plan here.

It is scare him into all heart attack, A nice catty, a little heart attack right there, and oh no, no one can come to your rescue.

So dark.

No, he just doesn't care.

He is unaffected.

He had a little jump.

He had a little jump.

I do, I won't.

I don't get him.

He I know, he just hates filming, so he is not going to give us one reaction.

But yes, he will tell you what yell.

And then also he must really be into history because the second she said Boston spilled the tea party, he really liked that idea.

He had a chuck.

He did he not.

That was the best.

That's the best pod we've ever seen.

I don't know if we're ever going to get back there again.

But he that was him cracking up.

Yeah, that was his lmafo.

That was totally up his alley.

And I was like, okay, bron, when you got him on that one, you got him.

He's like smart, it's funny.

It's kind of a pun.

Wait wait a minute, this Housewives thing might not be so bad after all.

You keep me laughing, and honestly, like he and he said that they hung the traders, and I was like, Todd would be a good trader.

Oh, I mean he gets booted right away, maybe because he wouldn't be talking to anybody.

No, he might seem.

Might and he might lie because he is sort of like, you know, turtling about.

Turtling about.

Popping that head in.

And out, and those cozy chairs in the castle.

He'd fall asleep really.

Oh man, he gets some good naps in.

The only controversy would be he would steal someone's cherry from their Sunday and then then they would accuse him of being a trader.

Yeah, there would be.

Some fallout in that weird sink cubby kitchen they sink ubby.

Oh I missed that sink cubby.

That's just the worst idea.

It really really is.

Every time, it's not an actual working sink.

It's just a cubby for stuff.

Yeah, it looks like it was.

It is like a working sink at some point, but then they were probably like, this doesn't make sense, so we're going to seal off the faucet while we filmed this and just put snack jars in here.

Oh okay, well I hate that even more.

I don't like any of it.

Get that eye asked to this episode will be about the sink cubby.

In Traders, not even the show.

Yeah, no, of course, of course not.

All right, So that was a fun ride home.

We got to see Todd laugh.

Loved it.

I loved it for them.

She's like, oh, I made you laugh.

Oh, this is right, Remember how I think it was last week?

I was like, I think that bron Wynn has already gotten her citizenship because she's all over social media talking about, you know, voting and all this stuff.

That your voice be heard, remember, I said that.

Yeah, this is a great way to do it.

And I was surprised when the ladies were all kind of pulled in what they might have had to know for their citizenship test.

No, yeah, that was shocking.

Oh.

By the way, this reminds me of the Real Housewives had an Evening on the Weakest Link in Evening.

I don't know when they take it, but anyway, it was like Cynthia Bailey, Vicky and Jill's erin and there was a there was like a quick little snippet of them.

Oh that's great, that's really interesting.

I mean, you know, it's a similar thing.

You think that they would know the answer, but they didn't.

You know, yeah, you know, what are you gonna do?

Also, the pressure, the pressure of being on camera and things like that, there's a lot.

I will say that I don't know how great I would do at in a game show setting without some kind of rehearsal for the pressure of it just getting thrown in there.

That's a lot.

I can't even think of a song like if you were to rely, like how does a Silent Night go?

And I'm like, oh god, I do it.

I don't know, I know, I know it.

I know, I know it, you know it.

I get really, you know, completely freaked out when there's pressure or something like that, but not under pressure.

I'm a genius, you know, I'm a breaking genius.

It's all about being relaxed.

It's all about like, you know.

Yeah, well, I mean that's that's how they get you.

That's how they get you in these game shows.

That's why we all feel real fucking smart at hell.

Yeah, yeah right, no pressure, All right, let's talk about Whitney and Justin in this incredible conversation on the porch.

Wow, that's the most real.

I mean, I know there may have been a few other times most real I've ever seen Whitney.

Oh it was amazing.

Oh my god, it was heartbreaking.

It's really really sad.

I wonder if their marriage will survive this because he, from what I understand, If I'm wrong, you please correct me, is the owner was the owner of that MLM company that bought out that like merged with Whitney.

I think he's one of the owners because it sounds like it's not as simple to untangle Whitney's stuff from that.

And I do want Whitney.

I know she's mad, but it's it's like I want her to also take some responsibility on it too, because it can't like that way she won't make the mistake again.

I don't think she'll ever trust him again when it comes to this.

Yeah, and I know, yeah, I think she definitely learned her lesson to say that she regrets having she regrets having trusted in him thinking that he would be the one, you know, that would make the right decision.

And also it sounded like they're presenting her with these options, and there's really only one option at that point, which is, you know, the only way out of your business situation in order to not like, you know, declare bankruptcy or have your business completely fail, is to merge it with this MLM.

Her next step was that the next step would have been great.

The next step would have been the big stores, and because she had been waiting for that and waiting for that and waiting.

For that, oh I see, I see.

And she hadn't heard from any of them, and she hadn't gotten it, and that was the dream.

Then she folded and went with the other option, which was obviously the MLM.

I don't know if she would have gone that direction if her company was doing great.

I think she would have maybe held out for longer, or I could be wrong.

Perhaps at that point, Justina was saying, I think to get to the next level, you're going to want to do this because big Box is not coming your way, so you need to make a move.

So she probably and that's when she was like, you showed me, you flash numbers at me, and you basically convinced me that this was the way to go.

Well, clearly it was completely backfired.

It's awful.

You know, I really felt her pain.

I think so many business owners and small small business owners, and even if you're not, you can feel that pain of the things that you've been trying to build up and work for this whole time, and then in one fell swoop, it is gone.

It's done.

Yeah, and now you can't even like rip your name off of it.

Your reputation, your business reputation is tarnished.

Not to say she can't figure it out and move forward and do something different.

And I really hope from this airing that like something comes of it, Maybe something else will come along that she can attach herself to and be successful at and with a completely different business model, a completely different deal, you know, Like I.

Get what she's saying.

She's like, she has personally invested all this money and she has the product ready to go.

So she's already sunk all this capital into this thing and now it's just sitting there in limbo.

Like she now she's gonna have to start all over branding, build it.

That's going to cost so much money.

Well, I do feel better.

I hope we all feel better about Whitney, because we were all a little like oh, when it was like old Justin's business model and it was like, remember you could have like one on one team building with Whitney coaching, or like, it was weird things happening with that company that everybody was.

Like, what the fuck?

And so I'm glad that that wasn't Whitney's idea.

Well, it's an MLM structure, right, and it's not that out of the out of the box of how they do it.

You know, not all MLMs are a complete and utter scam and a total ripoff.

You know.

It just depends on that, and it depends on right, It depends on the business structure.

It depends on obviously what the product is and what they're doing.

The business structure of what it seems like with this was I think they didn't have enough money to start.

And then you know, you have to get people people like you or I or anybody who wants to be be their own boss, sell product and get a percentage of it, okay, and a product that they believe in and they want to sell and have association with.

And then from there you have to like you have to buy the product yourself, so you have it have a certain amount in order to experiment with it, right, But in order to do like training and stuff like that, that's not necessarily something you have to do.

That is an option.

You don't have to spend all this money and fly to Texas for a big convention, you know.

That's something that people decide that they want to do in order to learn skills on selling and how to grow their business and stuff like that.

So I think the attachment of Whitney was being a part of that.

So says she'd be at a convention and there would be a workshop with her.

So it's not really that outlandish that she would have been the face of this company and trying to lead this company in a way that would be successful.

It's not the craziest idea, you know, especially for Utah, It's really not.

But they were in over their head and when they were supposed to have that first like meeting, this meet up you know where all these where people were going to go and like train and get this experience, they canceled it six days away from it actually happening, and then they were not able to get their money back from them.

So that's that's like I think the biggest thing that happened and that's why there was a controversy.

I mean allegedly, that's from what I have read.

That's from what I understand, that's what happened.

And poor Whitney like, it's not like she's the one who's going like it has to be canceled and I want to take their money, Like, that's not what happened.

You know, it wasn't funded well enough.

They didn't have enough money to put this on, like and her it was like, you trust people to be in charge of the business aspect of what they're doing, and they didn't do it well.

It was a bad look on this episode though, when she is frustrated with Justin for paying back vendors, I was like, don't do that.

Camera.

I think that well, I think it was a lead in.

Honestly, I think it was a lead into the conversation.

I think it was.

It was more like, well that hurt.

You want to know why that hurt because you're the one who hurt us because I trusted you.

And that's because I'm now all the money is being siphoned out of my bank account, the money that I have built up for this purpose, and you're the one who took it out like literally and figuratively and metaphorically.

I don't think she was actually saying, like, I'm bummed that we paid our vendors back.

I wonder if there's going to be a lawsuit.

Actually, yeah, maybe.

I mean I don't think that she's going to go quietly into the night, and she shouldn't if if it was other people mishandling it, and you know, they can always say, well, there were no guarantees and maybe Justin did over sell it to you, Whitney.

But I guess, like, h I think we're going to hear more about it.

I will say, I hope, hope, hope that they don't get themselves into such a financial situation where they're going to have to like declare bankruptcy.

But at the same time, like I on a personal level that they don't.

But I do think it sounds like that's the other thing that she might be leaning towards for the businesses, so that they aren't going to have to pay all this money back they can't afford to pay, right.

Oh yeah, yeah, she's destroyed.

And like the fact that at the end of this conversation, she's like, business and marriage all became one, and I don't even know what I want or what I need.

This sucks.

I would never want to be in that situation.

Oh my god.

And also her gripe about like I've been asking you to get involved with this business this whole time and you basically have been like, hmmm, yeah, your little hobby, you know what I mean.

And this I remember her talking about this before, and I'm like, you're an idiot, Like you don't know what a juggernaut of housewives business a successful one can be.

And if you are actually in the business world, you could help, you know, make this very successful.

And I think she feels slighted by him.

I don't honestly, I do not know how their marriage is going to make it.

That's my resting comment.

I don't think they're gonna make it.

Okay, okay, well I will say they might make it.

I'm mean I say they will make it because I thought they were done last season, but then they weren't.

So they if they can get through this figure out these weird times, whether it's having somebody fake rob their.

House, if it's highly suggest.

Having somebody steal cash out of your grocery card at the store, thousands and thousands of dollars.

I don't know how you bounce back, but I you know, it seems to work for other people.

And look at how successful all their marriages are.

Now, you know, they should talk to by the way, Whitney justin, they should talk to Brittany because she was a Salu dictorians.

That's what she said.

She was like, I was a.

Salu dictorian and I don't even know the answer to that.

When she was being asked the civic kind of questions.

Yeah, yeah, Heather has an air fier.

Mm hmmm.

She loves it.

She loves it more than her kids.

Clearly, I'm kidding.

And I get it.

I have one.

I don't I we have one.

We don't use it that often.

Let me ask you real quick, do you I forget?

I think you told me you have the cylinder kind or like the oven kind this rectangle or square oven kind?

Uh of square?

All right, well we'll talk.

We'll get you into that airfry us cylinder.

I mean that makes me think it's like going to the bank inside the bank, like some money inside the tube and it goes into the bank, into the air fryer.

Yeah, yeah, there's the cylinder kind that is good for like fries and stuff.

They're all good.

I just think like when you're really ready for air fer you're ready.

Yeah, get the lifestyle just like bangs, you know, and bangs are a lifestyle.

Yeah.

Well, you preheat that air fryer and it and it preheats like.

In the second, the passion in your face.

You're never going back that air fryer.

You know.

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Uh, how many kids does Heather have?

I thought she had three?

Yeah, I actually had to look it up and it's two.

I always want to go that she had three daughters.

Can we I just want to double check orders.

That is so weird?

All right, you looked it up.

What is it?

It's three Georgia Ashley Annabelle.

Now I talked myself out of a third daughter.

Though, But the third one must be the oldest and she must be really gone, like she was the first one to go.

Okay, so we got we saw that the middle one and the youngest one.

The youngest, sorry, I mean I can't keep all of everything going.

Listen, I thought, you know, Shannon's daughters and Heather Gay's daughters are like the same to me, so you know, and I did just hear.

I know, we talked about it on Mormon Wives.

I'd listened to this American Life and it's Heather and her daughters, and I was like really questioning myself on how many daughters talked on it, like might be with all three?

Then I have to go back and listen to it.

Lord, that was okay, all right, who cares?

All right, let's talk about Let's talk about bronwhen and uh Muzzy and Bronwin getting their pride flags and sending them out because of the new law in Salt Lake City.

Yeah, because they can't have them on government buildings, so they Bronwin made an offer to any of the businesses I think locally and statewide, any business that wanted a Pride flag, she would send them a Pride Well it's an lgbt QIA plus Yeah.

Well, I uh, that's gonna be a lot of money shipping those out.

Not gonna lie, I mean, because I think a lot of people are going to respond, which is great.

I also kind of appreciated that she went to a local business and is buying from the local business instead of just ordering him bulk from like TMU and sending herself.

Is actually awesome.

Yeah yeah, wait, I'm I like Bronwin Moore and more.

The discussion with Muzzy, you know, it's always like a little bit of sweet and then a lot of you know, sour, which is tough.

But at the end of the day, you know, when you get the takeaway of Muzzy saying like, you know, I'll do this ungs it helps you, and I'm like, wow, I can't believe she just said that.

They call it bread crumbing.

That's how I feel like.

She doesn't she doesn't mean to be doing it, but.

Yeah's just what that's all she can and it's all she can do.

It's all she can do because of the way she was raised.

I mean, we saw it with Sutton's mom too.

It's like very similar to Sutton's mother and I you know, at the end when she was like, well, you know you did, You've done a great job and I'm proud of you, I was shocked.

I was like, is this the same woman we've been saying?

But it is because she does, like, you know, pull back in those areas and make sure that bron Wind knows where she that there's still that still a power move.

I get, like, I get why it's really hard for Bronwin.

I get it.

I'm seeing that scene.

I'm like, gosh, that's hard because you see, Muzzy has the ability to love or to say the things you want to hear, and then she gives that.

But I would think, like tomorrow's another day and Muzzy's going to come after me for something horror like just trigger.

Yeah.

Yeah, well, you know, one step at a time.

It seems like it's improving.

Oh my god, so this well, I mean, from what we've seen, it seems like they've made progress.

It will be really interesting at the reunion to hear how Muzzy reacted, how Bronwin says Muzzy handled people critiquing Muzzy as a mother, because after this season's over, I'm so curious how Muzzy handled the backlash, you know, of hearing how we all felt she handled a lot of the scenes with bron went this was a good one.

We're giving her a w but I'm just saying in general, I wonder if some of this will sink in.

I don't know.

Well Todd had you know, Todd had a hard time with the backfire on him and he heard it and he wanted to change.

And uh.

I wonder how much Muzzy will be protected from all of the chatter, because if she's on Instagram, that's gonna be a problem, obviously, But if she's not on social media and no one's telling her, then she's living in a bubble.

Even if you're in a bubble, she is going to run into an old contact.

She is going to hear about it.

She'll hear about it.

There's no way.

It's her whole world.

It'd be one thing if it was like my mom not hearing something.

She doesn't watch Housewives and isn't on the show.

But Muzzy's on the show, like people are.

That's the only thing people are going to talk to her about.

So I don't think she's I don't think she's sick.

You can escape it.

You don't think she can escape it?

Okay, all right?

So we go to the Boston Spell the tea party, and the dressing up was pretty epic.

Even Lisa did the very least and she still looked good.

What the fuck it was Meredith wearing it was like funny Toddler.

It was like the zipped up gray thing with like fluffy sleeves.

I don't know.

I think she got it straight off of like Amazon.

Had like a ruffel underwear bottom kind of thing.

Like you would see like a bloomer.

Yeah, she was like alien baby.

It was like silver, I don't this will work.

She's like, Brooks sexually designed this.

For me, sexually designed.

Actually a liar.

He didn't say that liar sexually.

I said, Actually, I know what I said.

I sexually said, actually I know what I said.

And I took a nap for an hour.

There's there's only so much many words you can say.

Four score seven s Actually, years ago, I loved the theme.

I loved it.

I thought it was really fun.

And I love that they had like extra wigs there to like just pop it up a notch.

And Mary was like, oh no, no, no, no.

I have my own exact wig.

That was the which said I brought my own and it's the exact one.

I was like, that's.

Perfect, Mary, No, no, not the ease, this one that looks sexually like it.

Okay, So well, Brittany and Jared broke up over Joao, and they want to know who the leak was, Whitney.

She's like, I'm glad that Whitney apologized.

I'm like, for Whitney didn't apologize, she didn't what are you talking about?

So there's footage of Whitney telling Justin that you were flirting with the crew, and that's how Jared found out.

What do you what?

Well, you can tell Brittany's gonna think this is something later and it's it's so nothing.

Nothing is nothing sicks with Brittany, including her breakups.

None of this matters.

It's what it is.

Shut up, Brittany.

Jared, Oh, you're flirting with Joau.

We're gonna break up.

I love it, Okay.

So now we have like this whole situation that unfolds because everyone's writing down on their tea before they throw it in the harbor.

Bronwyn told Meredith what Whitney said about, you know, her seeing Mereth drinking at the bar in the airport, and Whitney's pested about it, and bron was like, it's really between the two of you at this point.

And then with like the way that this ramped up with Whitney and Meredith got so real so fast with her being like do you did you think I was going to call a belligerent woman?

Like whoa?

Those are fighting words, this whole fight between Whitney and Meredith, and then of course bringing it home, Heather Gay she should have stood on a chair with a feather and just.

Preached, preached, called a macaroni.

It was.

It was lacking entertainment because of the seriousness of the matter, which is that I do feel concerned about Meredith and they are all yelling at her and she's not going to admit it.

She's going to deflect.

She's you know, you can't get her, and it's like the worst possible thing you could do to somebody.

You're trying to box her in when she's a cat.

She's going to scratch the hell out of you.

What do you expect from this?

Yeah?

And you really, I do think have to ask a very direct question, which is what I've been saying.

Were you prescribed a medication and you took it before the flight?

Was that medication allegedly perhaps ambient?

The drinking on top of it is its own thing, But like that's the question.

But I Also, I don't think she's going to answer that anyway.

She'd be like I never tank pills or medication or drugs unless I have a strapped throat.

But she is dancing around it.

And I really saw it this episode and the drug test, like I was like, what are you doing, Meredith, Like, especially because they did they're not going to take them.

They're not going to take these drugs, like you know what I mean.

But the fact that she put the caviat in the bags, oh.

My god, that was amazing.

And that's why they were cold, because it's just Yes, by the way, I was at my cabarete Vegas, I was gifted Meredith ars caviar.

Did you try it yet?

Yes?

It is so good?

It is okay, so delicious.

And the way that I've had it, I had it.

I put I toasted an English muffin, I put cream cheese on it, and then I put the cavier on top.

And let me tell you, it is delicious.

I mean, can you eat it?

You?

Did you try it by itself?

I took the little mother of Pearl spoon and okay, and it's delicious, delicious, it's great and there are three kinds so I've eaten two of the tins, I have one left to go.

Well, we'll find out on your drug test that can test for everything, including caviar.

It was projection at its best.

You're not going to find drugs in our system because that was then and this is now, right y and so, but there could be an ex So there could be an explanation.

You're right, and that would be nice for her to say something like that, but I think the bigger thing is like alcohol and if she feels that she deep down does have an issue, and so she can't give an explanation of anything, because then admitting any kind of guilt is an admission to guilt, any kind of weakness is an admission to guilt.

She's a lawyer, so she's not going to do that.

And with her just constantly being like, you're a liar.

You know you're lying about me.

When Heather went off about a liar, like you're questioning my entire existence and who I am on this planet, I was like, Okay, relaxed Heather, Like.

That's the same thing that she's she she really does not handle that well.

Heather knows that that's her her trigger because that's when she lost it with Monica, like she you don't if you want to get Heather call her a liar.

Yeah, even when she knows she's not lying, she cannot handle it.

No, boy, oh boy.

When Whitney was like, uh, you didn't honor on the plane for like at for six hours.

You didn't yell at her, and then she was like, you want to call me a liar, let's go there.

And then she called her an alcoholic and a pill popper.

Yeah, that was so savage, not fun to watch.

I understand where Whitney's coming from.

She is coming from major, major trauma, from having an alcoholic father, who oh.

And an attic from top to bottom.

Dad, Like he had drug issues too.

What did I just say?

Alcoholic?

But he was on he had drug issues as well?

Oh father?

Oh oh right, yes, he had drug issues as well, that's right.

Yeah.

So it's very powerful to hear her say I'm a witness of this behavior and so I know, like what's going on.

Yeah, and it's kind of chilling, But it's also like, you know, I don't blame Whitney for lashing out.

You know, everyone has their life and their experiences, and she has every right to share how she feels about the situation.

But I also feel like when Meredith's like, well, then you should have come to me, that's kind of where I land.

It's like, if you really do think she has a problem, then it should be off camera and you should be getting together as a group and you should have an intervention without anybody seeing this.

Yeah.

Uh, I I don't know.

It's it's tricky because I feel like Whitney absolutely could have done it off camera because nobody documented what happened on the plane, So Whitney could have absolutely gone to Meredith off camera is to have a conversation because we didn't know.

Like and everybody could have like, well.

Yeah, everyone was there.

Whitney seems to be leading witsh.

Yes, yes exactly.

Oh And I like that.

She was like, if you've made an accusation amount me, then you have to take the test.

It's like so silly, so silly goody, silly silly game.

And I like it.

And Whney's like, did you want me to thill my pants down?

Now?

You know?

It's so dumb and like, honestly, to Meredith's point, like you know, we're not going to see everybody take these drug tests.

If she goes to the bathroom and takes a drug test and it comes back totally clean, we don't know, like she might have like use somebody else's pee, Like that's what people do too, Yeah I do.

Yeah.

So it's like this is pointless.

It's pointless.

Caviare I don't want.

The drug test?

No?

Yeah, I can more another chilled bag please.

I think her point obviously was to like say, I'm not afraid to say that, you know, I don't take drugs uggs, and I'm willing to test for it.

You know, even though she wanted everyone else to test.

I didn't want it to go here.

But here we are.

Gorgeous bags of iced tavy arm gorgeous.

I mean, like that's just hilarious.

Like you know, when you for like a gag gift, a Housewives gag gift, just give someone like a drug test and Meredith caviar for Christmas, you know, it's a great gift.

When Meredith's like, uh, you don't care about me, or you would have come to me.

I get that because Whitney is saying, I'm witnessing your behavior and I recognize it.

And this is a very sensitive topic.

So I do understand what Meredith is saying there, and I do agree with that.

Mary is like all alone, like in her confessional, just sort of pops in.

She's like, yeah, Meredith did yell at Whitney.

Yeah, I love that.

And Heather's like, you said, if your friends with Whitney, we are done, and you're saying I lied, and and and then she's like, I need you to stand up and say I am horrified by what I said in my actions and I am sorry that I did that.

And Meredith's like this big dramatic pause, and she's like, I don't think we're gonna come to our resolution.

Let's move on.

Well, also, Lisa's backpedaling like on everything she said, so that was crazy too.

I am upside down on this.

But I am absolutely not only some Meredith's side.

No, the only the only thing I can say is that I'm glad that someone has Meredith's back because if she has a problem, I mean, I'm looking at her and I'm feeling bad for her in this situation and I and I don't like it, and I'm like everyone's yelling at her.

If she had she there's something horrible on this plane, and like thank god that Lisa actually has had her back on some level, because there's something going on there and it's not it's not fun like you.

He's yelling at her on camera, and I don't know.

It doesn't sit well with me.

I felt bad because you look at Mare's face and she looks completely guilty, vulnerable, scared.

I think, against and has no idea what happened.

I really, legit think she has no clue.

Oh, I agree, and that's why she Yeah, that's why she looks that way.

Yeah.

And the thing is Lisa, with zero substance, has no idea what's going on.

So the two of them together, I don't know where that train's going or that airplane.

Well, and I think Lisa's point may stand in maybe other situations.

I don't know about this one.

I don't think so about Whitney, which is that Lisa said, that's that's a crazy accusation to make, meaning like when Winny said, I'm witnessing your behavior and like I recognize it, meaning like an addict, right, And Lisa's like, that's that's crazy.

She's weaponizing her experience onto you.

And I think that some people do that, I really do.

I think that people.

A lot of people who have had serious situations and have experienced things like that can sometimes have a tendency to put that on other people when they see like the tiniest thing and they're like, that person is you know, that person must have an alcohol problem because that it's like they're extra sensitive.

But it doesn't necessarily mean that there's actually a problem there.

But in this case, I mean, I do think that, but I appreciate Lisa acknowledging that just to have Meredith back.

I feel bad for her.

I don't feel bad for Lisa.

I just don't understand Lisa's what she's up to.

She could be behind the scenes.

Lisa could be behind the scenes talking to her about it.

You know.

Yeah, that's true, especially like with Meredith's family.

I do think that we will know more at some point.

Meredith'll kind of come to She's going to come to.

Some yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Yeah.

She's had a lot of you know know, traumatic things happened to her in the last few years.

You know, she you know, her and her husband, and then I know that she had a lot of stuff happening with her nephew, and I think she's got other family stuff that she's concerned about and you know, and some bad habits may have gotten in the way of coping.

Well, also just dealing with like being under the microscope of the housewives, like just being you know, a reality star and all this in a DJ.

You know that's in the DJ.

That's tough.

And she had that car accident that they played the clown car music over.

Yeah, that was so savage when they did that, because she was like, I almost died.

I almost fell off a cliff, just like rolled in the snow bank, like rolled back at two miles per hour.

Well, anyway, Braun, when with her costume change, coming out with the Constitution on her dress and the new Friendship amendments was great and I mean to Ben, oh god, yes the dress you mean yes in the museum, Yeah, that was so good.

And then the last one with Mereth being like stop the reactive abuse.

Oh no, oh no, now I want to look it up, even though I know the Whitney Whitney said it reactive abuse.

Reactive abuse meaning when a victim of abuse reacts to that abuse in a way, which could include physical or violent physical violence or shouting of their own This isn't because the victim is an abuser, rather that they have been a victim abuse of abuse for such a period that they have themselves lashed out.

Huh.

It actually doesn't seem to fit in this situation, because like it would mean that Meredith would be Whitney's abuser.

Yeah, no, it doesn't make sense.

So I don't think she used that correctly.

I don't think any of them used it correctly, including me.

I don't know.

I don't This is where this is where this is therapist category.

Yeah yeah, yeah, oh my god.

This is so funny.

They have like another definition.

They have an example, for example, your immediate disappointment when the horse you bet on doesn't win the race.

Hey, how are you bringing me into this?

But that would mean that the horse was abusive.

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We're gonna call it a day.

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