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And anyway, so let's welcome ourselves into this crazy episode of Orange County.

Holy smokes, ladies.

You know, we're we're gonna just just we're just gonna jump right in and I'm just gonna say, right off the bat, what the hell is going on?

I mean, what can we believe?

What?

Who are we?

And who are who are they?

Who are these people?

And here we are landing on a lie detector test.

You'll tell me the truth that.

The most important thing is we got to welcome in at the top Ford's birthday.

Yeah, Oh I.

Got I missed it.

Yeah, got to welcome in from the server at the table right into a guacamole request.

Wow.

Yeah, don't know the restaurant because they don't say that anymore.

They got, but we did get a welcome in.

Fantastic and a Marilyn Monroe welcoming in the.

Way he received that, Marilyn, I can tell us professional we hate it?

Do we love it?

Like?

He was like the look on his face as he was being sung upon was just.

Hard to know.

And then Ethan, I don't know where she came from.

Oh, I read that as he undressed her with his eyes immediately that's how that's the look I saw on his face.

He quickly, Yeah, he's he's alive.

Man.

I read it as Oh, I think Gene hooked up with Marilyn and he's confused.

He thought she had passed, but here she is.

Yeah that actually might have been.

Yeah, same age happening.

Yeah, is this is this a ghost?

Yeah, Mars, he may have hooked up with just another Maryland impersonator at some point on Hollywood Boulevard.

Right, what a nice what a great way to start the episode, you know, just with a light Jean machine, because you know, we ended up going somewhere at the end that we all knew was ahead of us.

But boy, oh boy, yeah he does look great, incredible, and he's like in his nineties.

Ninety seven No, I mean ninety seventh birthday ninety I.

Thought that was a joke.

No, we always see him for his birthdays and he's been in his nineties for a minute.

Wow, I mean I thought he was like maybe ninety one, But I thought he made a joke about being like ninety seven.

Because but that doesn't seem like much of a joke.

You'd think you'd want to go higher, right, So wow, you guys.

Yeah, that's so you don't talk up like a few years, right, you don't joke up a few years, choke it up.

You got to joke it up a decade up.

Yeah, joke it up, Jean Machine joke it up.

Oh my god, Shannon being like I ran into a young lady who said they they said that.

Gee.

A man named Jean Machine said, don't leave.

I'll take care of you, dad, Dad, I'm concerned.

Her hair was sorted.

She got you now she got which was great.

Weight of the cast trip.

We're back.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was okay.

I mean, I mean it's okay.

Now it's everybody's okay, okay, everybody.

Has Shannon's hair been marked safe?

Yes, yes, it was marks able though it did like, oh.

Gosh, okay.

Well, we finally get to lunch with Kiki Monique.

Welcome in Kiki Monique looking gorgeous, sitting down with Gretchen and her her support housewife, Gina.

Yes, everyone needs a support housewife.

Okay.

And here we are with like Kiki laying it out there saying that Katie said to her that she went to dinner with Gretchen and said, and Gretchen said the night of Naked Wasted, that Gretchen was drugged and had to go to the hospital.

So she said that is what she heard from kt Now.

She also said Gina was a topic too, And then we get into the hole that legid accusation that Gina said is that an Asian designer.

And of course we get the explanation from Gina, which is that Katie wanted to showcase Asian designers and then she eventually got two stylists and then every time she would show up wearing not Asian designers, and so she was being sarcastic about it and trying to call Katie out for that.

So now the GENA stuff aside, it seemed like, before we move on from the GENA stuff, it seemed like an explanation from Gina that she was calling out Katie.

Everybody satisfied with that.

It seemed like it made sense.

To me, it seemed like it made sense.

I'm not Katie.

I don't know how it hit Katie, you know what I mean in that right, in that way.

So it's hard for me to be like, oh, it's fine, I'm going to take a pass on that because it could have really hit in a way I would not understand.

Right, that's true.

That's a really good point.

And they've never had a conversation about it, which is a true bummer because you'd think that, you know, they would talk about if it was something that was really that hurt Katie.

You think that she'd want to go to her and say, hey, that came off like really really offensive, So can you speak on that, you know, And so they didn't, and this was off camera, and then we saw that on I mean it was on camera.

Actually we just saw the footage and Jen was like, oh okay, and she didn't really seem to have any kind of absorption over it either, so it was a kind of left aside anyway.

So Keiky was sitting on that information as well because she wasn't sure if that was Katie's you know, motive to put that out into the universe, you know.

So that was interesting to hear.

Now Here we have like Gretchen responding to what Keiki was saying the same way she responded to Tamra in New Orleans, which is the lean in the mouth a gape, and like what, I can't believe she said that, and then she goes on, yeah, it's like she had the same response, and I'm just trying to like really get detailed because she was doing everything she kind of did in New Orleans, which is not saying over and over again, I absolutely did not say that even though she has said that before, I don't know, So I just I kind of left there going.

I kind of still think that Gretchen said that about Tamra.

I don't know, you guys, I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know either, because then you get cut to the end with the lie detector.

But like, I don't know, where do you land right.

Same, I don't know.

And I said that to me, like I left there going, I said, I don't know what to tell me what to feel because I'm not sure what I feel.

In terms of that dinner.

There's a lot of people at that dinner.

Right right, Jen was there.

All the spouses or partners were there.

We've already had confirmation from Matt that that happened.

I find him to be very credible, and so then we have Jen who seems to be caught in something right now.

Right.

But I also thought, my god, Katie blew that lie detector test every which way from Sunday or whatever.

Gretchen passed it with flying colors.

Because I think we're talking about two different topics.

We're talking one.

Did Gretchen say these things?

That's one thing.

Figure out Two, did Katie talk to Kiki Monique.

That's the second category.

Yes, because's not going to come in.

I believe that I've never seen someone not want to be on a reality show.

More like she's like, yeah, I kind of been trying to avoid this kind of thing, but I'm here to clear my name.

The last place I want to be yea last give me water.

But I think Katy, She's like, give me a double right, she had a Yeah, she did have that glass of wine at ten am, which I don't think is normal for Kiki, but would be absolutely normal.

In under the circumstances.

I would have had three before going.

Yet No, So yeah, you're you're right.

I mean, obviously there's two different points.

And and so that's where like last week, I was like, everybody's lying.

Jen is lying about not knowing, Gretchen is lying about not telling Katie, and Katie is lying about not saying this to Kiki.

So this week we know that Katie lied about not telling Kiki.

Okay, she's out on that firm confirmed.

Put it aside, decide.

Okay, let's just say one thing.

Is there just is there a world in which Kiki Monique is lying?

I'm just asking.

I know, I absolutely don't think so.

Me neither.

So but I mean, thank you for asking.

I mean, we've got to look at all angles, and I mean I think we land on.

No, that's that's not okay.

So she believe her.

If this is a court, I would I and I'm Gretchen's attorney or Katie's attorney, I would bring that up and I would try to argue that in their defense, like you can't.

But I just there's absolutely no way I just don't have any proof for that the Kiki would be lying.

There's no way she would be lying.

Well, another reason why you believe that she wouldn't lie is because she gets information all the time and sits on probably most of it like me.

And so that's the whole point is that that's a trustworthy person and why she went to other people to say this is really bad, like this is out there just to heads up, you know.

So that's why I really do believe her.

Okay, So we can put that we all agree, right, Yeah, Okay, that's the side.

Now Katie lied, So Katie lied about that.

Now is Gretchen lying about saying that at that dinner?

And is Jen lying about saying that that didn't happen, because Katie is saying Jen even knows.

And the hospital because Gretchen passed that in the lie detector test, that she did not go to the hospital.

Right, which is bound hers because we saw with our own eyes in that car she whispered that she went she was so sick.

Well, there's a world in which that was the truth, that she didn't go.

But she was lying about it to make the situation sound worse to Tamra, to the to the girls, Katie and to Jen, not to Tama.

But she told she went, right, No, But and.

We're assuming she told and Jen if that's what happened, right, she told Katie and Jen I went to the hospital.

They can confirm that.

So in front of Tamra, she's saying, well, I went the next day or I did go to the hospital the next morning.

But is that a lie?

And if it's a lie, then her saying no would be truthful.

Do you know what I'm saying?

I get it, I get it, Okay, Yes, So it's basically like she exaggerated to not she maintained an exaggeration that she told at that dinner that she had to go to the hospital, and then when that might have been her hesitation in the car with Jen and Tamara, when she was like.

Yes, it was Tamara and Shannon.

Tamar and Shannon that she said it to.

Gretchen said it in the car on the girl's trip, and she was weirdly hesitant about saying it right.

So then now that she's been asked on the lie detector, she never went to the hospital, but that's part of whatever she told them at the dinner.

So she was sticking with a lie.

Yeah, to tell Tamra and Shannon.

Hypothetically that's a great thing you now, that would make her lie, That would make the lie detector not false.

Right, But then she said that she didn't say anything to Katie and Jen.

So now we're back to square one because that side detector said that was truthful.

So I don't believe Gretchen, and I don't believe Katie, and I don't believe Jen.

So I'm going back to not believing all three of them, but believing some of each, actually none of Jen, because I really do think Jen is protecting Gretchen.

I don't know, why do you guys like she was at that dinner.

I believe Why do I believe that Gretchen said it?

I don't.

Why do I believe that I too?

Well, because she, especially at the time of that dinner, she has to be I mean.

The thing is, though, if she's sitting at that dinner saying that there's other people she's told this to over seventeen years, this is not a fresh take.

So somebody else she has had to have told this story too well.

If okay, right, right, So why wouldn't like Ryan?

And well, if Ryan's in kahoots with Jen, and Jen's in kahoots with Gretchen, He's not going to say anything.

So the only people and Slave's not going to say anything.

So the only person that we can lean on is Matt and Katie.

And Katie has absolutely no credibility whatsoever, which is why no one will believe her.

And I get it.

She is not a believable person at this point.

She has lied so many times.

And when they were doing this party at Emily's the Persian New Year, Katie was very sick, sick to her stomach, remember that, and she was going to the bathroom and I was like, oh my god, is this because she knows that there's going to be a lie detector, and she's worried about doing this light detector because she lied.

Well previous we as viewers don't know at that point she knew about the light detector.

I know that's correct, but maybe I think she should.

I have a feeling she probably did.

Well.

Here's the thing though, I wondered if she didn't open the door to one of them when she was looking around for the bathroom, right, but you know, but.

She was there, but she was sick.

But then she had already been sick though, so then that wouldn't matter.

No, I know.

But the only reason I would say I believe they didn't know there was a lie detector because the truth about not having alcohol was so real, you know.

That, But it was how many times have you been at one of these light detector parties?

Because she's like, oh, that's why, that's why I.

Don't right, she figured it out that that was so funny.

Yeah, never seen her so sharp, by the way, so sharp, and that's why there's no alcohol.

Oh the glass of shamp I've never seen a glass.

The champagne that was poured for Heather was a goblet of champagne.

I've just never seen such a strong pour.

I think there is a storm.

Tessa says, there's a storm a bruin.

All right, well let's continue to really chisel in here, because we are not We're just scratching the surface.

Yeah, because you want to say something, Emily.

Yeah.

Because Katie also had her moment of receiving the information from Wendy the light detector.

Oh Wendy, Okay, Wendy.

She was an OCY fan, you could tell, but she uh everybody else that was passing on different questions she was saying was a lie.

And I was like, m Katie, you're setting this up, like because you know you failed.

So if you're if you're denying the results all around, then you can deny yours.

I mean, it was like or I also thought, oh, this is how Katie operates, So this is how she thinks the world is.

So that's how she operates, like nothing's real.

So I just had watching that scene.

I was like, oh, I finally kind of got Katie in that moment, like nothing's real.

Nothings I operate like this.

It it gave me a dissociation vibe.

Yeah you know what I mean, Like it's yeah, if she is fully lying about everything, you know, I mean that she's getting caught in another lie.

How can you move about the cabin looking so innocent and so believable every step of the way to the point where she's walking out and talking to a producer, and I'm still like thinking to myself, she's so convincing.

So how is it possible for somebody to be so convincing and lie though?

Because like, there are times when I see her that she has her tells.

Okay, when she sat down at the line detector test the minute that started getting going, and she was like, oh, I'm so worried.

I'm so anxious about this, and the tech said, has nothing to do with anxiety, and she was like, oh, I know, it's like do you So she was already like, oh, I know, I know it's not that I'm just I just getting anxiety.

And it's like, well, I don't know.

She's too quick to like tell a story.

It makes me think that she's an exaggerator, an elaborator, and she doesn't consider that a lie.

You know, some people kind of go, what do you were you gonna say something?

Emily?

And let me just make clear everybody knows Emily's name.

That's what I'm called.

It's stupid.

I think that I have I think Katie's wrong.

I think that I would totally believe everything because it comes in a beautiful package.

And in terms of like her, she seems so earnest, and she seems so in her moment and standing her ground.

But that is also why I have also been lied to in a massive way, you know, just like in a business situation or whatever.

And then I think about all the podcasts we love, like Scamanda or you now, Unicorn.

Girls, Unicorn Girl.

I just yeah, that too.

Hmmm.

So it's like they you know, the I don't liar face sociopath but like, yeah, but like I don't know.

I mean, it's very possible anybody, I mean, anyone on the Housewives could be a sociopath.

I mean anyone anywhere.

Yeah.

People have made good points about if we are drilling down, so let let's just pull.

Back for a moment.

Okay, joke back volume he joked back.

Okay, because.

I'm getting stuck on she had this sit down, she created this sit down with Kiki money, Like that is such a that's such a bad thing.

That is that You're right, the motivation.

Yep, hold up, Okay.

Then I pull back a little bit and I go Tamra has a full podcast where she talks about the housewives and they sit.

In front of everybody, not behind people's backs, to a reporter.

But Heather's having other you know, she's meeting with paparazzi.

There's so much that guy.

I agree, they are all talking.

They're all talking about all talking.

Things are getting out there, people are making connections, they're all talking.

I believe Katie and I feel like has came into this environment.

Well remember she walked into this environment wanting to take down Heather to brow.

Right, and that was proven to be not the case that she lied because the paparazzi said that that's not what happened.

But I also believe that Heather knew that those pictures were being set up.

Well, the light detector, the light detectors, we're giving the light detector any credibility.

Heather was lying And that was one thing that Katie co signed on for the lie detector or working.

Was you see it working here?

Oh?

Interesting?

I think she approached this like minute one before she even showed up.

She was like, I'm coming in ready.

To tangle, ready to wrestle, and premeditated.

She was coming in with ever meditated all of that, and I think.

Where was horrible, horrible, horrible.

Terrible approach.

But then the end of Seveson one, she agreed to that, admitted it.

I understand, and wanted to move different.

But I think she's she was moving that way.

We don't know when she had that epiphany, Like we're like the end of season one, Well, it might have been after Kiki, after this, after this where she goes, I've kind of made some mistakes, you know what I mean, Like, we don't I.

Thought she said the reunion unless she met with Kiki in between.

That's what I'm saying.

Okay, I see, you don't.

Exactly know when this you know, when.

She had the light bulb go off that she's approached this all wrong, and that could have been I don't know.

So I loved yours Dimmerman dress and her pink cardigan at the light detector event the Persian New Year, and she is so lovely and normal.

See the visual is so appropriate and rightly.

That's what you do when you're going to court and you're guilty innocent, you wear Yeah, you wear these innocent looking clothes.

I mean it's she's got two stylists and they're basically like, oh, you're being accused of being a liar.

You're going to be taking a light detector test.

We'll give you our court outfit.

Right, Yeah, And it was working on me, you know.

Yes, as it should.

But let me ask you this.

When she says that Jen was at that dinner, didn't Jen look a little fidgety when when Katie was like they were arguing on that cat?

Yeah, and Jen goes, why are you looking at me?

It's like right, because bitch, you.

Were there there you can confirm.

So what's what would what would Jen gain from protecting Gretchen?

And when Jen was in her confessional, she was talking about how Katie was her closest friend and she can't believe it's all now blown up because she's seeing Katie for who she is.

So if that's true and Jen is just blatantly lying like that, that is going to throw me away for a loop.

Wait a minite, guys, we know that Jen has already said that they were all at dinner talking about this.

Yeah, jen'sory said that, like there's been so many lies at this point, Jen said, what is first episode or whatever?

The first episode we started talking about about this?

Wait, what snaked wasted?

That was so long ago?

And then the next episode she said, we were all at dinner, we were talking, you know what I mean?

And now she knows nothing about it?

Again, why didn't anyone write down on their questions?

Jen?

Did Gretchen say this at that dinner?

Or?

I did not everybody know about the dinner I think.

As viewers were seeing the timeline edited together of the conversations, but I think in the moment there, they haven't put all the pieces together.

Tam Or didn't know about that dinner.

She wept dinner.

She was like so razzled and it was so she on the edge of her seat.

And when the lie detector tech was reading off all of the results and said that Gretchen Gretchen's answer to to did you tell Katie and Jen that you were drugged?

And Gretchen said, I said no, And then Tam was like, uh, that's us us this and she was clapping and I was like, I don't know why she's clapping.

Why are you clapping?

I don't get it.

I don't know what you're being sarcastic.

Are you being here?

Tamra agreed, also did you notice?

And I mean these are just like I'm really picking here.

But when Gretchen was being asked, I mean no, no, yeah, when they were reading her results and the tech was like, did you tell Katie and Jen that you were drugged?

And she goes, I said no.

Did you go to the hospital after naked wasted?

I said no?

It's like, okay, you said no, But what the bug is the actual truth?

Because do you know what I mean?

And then Tamra inter confessional talking about Clyars.

She tell her lies all the time.

She says, this professional liar, she's flyes, So why is it hard to believe that Gretchen is such a good liar, that she lied so well during her lie toctor test, and that Katie isn't a good liar?

And then aha, and this is why he detectors don't work.

To Diana's point about like everybody is moving slick on the sides and misrepresenting the truth, that's a very good point and I don't think I think it may have just changed my mind a little bit on how hard I was going on Katie in terms of comparing her to Unicorn girl, because that is not the case.

She is not Unicorn girl.

But I do just think that she thinks she's a lot smarter than a lot of the people in the room and wanted to control this thing, and it's so far out of the gate, and she doesn't have a team to bet.

She doesn't have her Vicki and Shannon, where Tamra or how they're like everybody has a reason that they have alliances and Katie just never formed those, Like the best thing she had was Gina.

So now she's in deep shit and I think no one will have her back because she's just fucked up too many times.

She has no emotional connection, you know.

That's what the thing is very weird.

When was she trying when she left, when she left the house.

Yeah no, in her confessionals, she was crying so much it was down on her dress.

Her tears were in her dress.

And when her in that tan dress.

Yeah yeah, at the end when she was like you may never see this face again kind of thing, like yeah, okay, well, I mean I guess what I mean is when she's around these ladies and she's being accused of all this stuff, it's just very even keel type of you know, balanced, we're not used to seeing that.

Mouse is the one thing.

I'm not saying it's bad.

I'm just saying like, in that moment when that light detector tech gal, who was very dramatic, honey, it was like you, yeah, you failed more than anyone significantly, oh significantly, significantly significantly.

And it's like, okay, I mean you're not the judge and the jury report the news.

But it is a grading on a light detector.

So I thought, well, then give us the other side of the if it was a light failing.

Well they may have, but they cut it out probably and they left in that significantly somebody.

Else had a significant right.

Katie was like, Okay, gred there you know.

Yeah.

So I just was like, well, she has no is there anything there?

Yeah?

Hello, Well it's almost like how I when I play Mafia and I'm the Mafia, right yeah?

Same?

Hold it?

So there you.

Go like you're not gonna see me swat.

Well, then she's lying obviously.

Well and can get a conclusion.

Yes, because Diana, if that's all play, Katie, sign we solved it, you guys, We absolutely saved it.

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Okay, we're back.

We're talking about this bonkers lie detector episode of the Real Housewives of Orange County.

I'm with Emily Deresis and Deanna Chang.

Deanna, you had something percolating that you wanted to.

You had a little something percolating.

So here's where I'm as I walk away from this lie detector extravaganza.

These are my thoughts.

One, let's just deal with the lie detector test.

Okay, my understanding, they use lie detector tests reliably in like government interrogations, So I don't think in a court of law it's a different story.

But I don't think lie detector tests by and large, and I don't have the numbers.

I didn't do any.

Research before I got here, but I follow this woman who's a former Secret Service agent, and she she did a lot of entire gating of people have committed crimes and all that, and she used lie detective tests all the time and found them to be quite reliable.

It's just that they don't go into the court of law.

So because you can trick them, that is possible in terms of I think it's your heart rate down if you know you're going into it.

I think the percentage of people who can trick the test is very, very low, and I think it is a good indicator, and I don't think these housewives can trick the test.

Also out their booze.

Also, Deanna, to your to that point, and I just want to throw this in there before you continue, so don't lose your listen.

I'm there, Okay, good putting a pin face.

Reality sixteen posted this today, which is why a polygraph test lasts one and a half to two and a half hours and why on the housewives it can't be accurate because they're shortened.

They're only in there for a shorter amount of time, so the average length is much longer.

So each person would need to be in there for like an hour and a half to two and a half hours.

They have to be prepared and evaluated in such a way.

But this is a really expedient process.

It's you know, sped up.

So that being said, that should be taken into consideration.

Deanna pick it up.

Okay, I'll take that.

I'll take that into consideration.

Thing, so we have so okay, so I'm going to say polygraphs at large, I think tend to be reliable.

Putting that to the side.

Okay, fair enough, These these.

These people executing the polygraph tests.

That lady and all her emotions seemed very suspicious to me.

I was.

In at large, even when Katie left and she was like, well, she was lying her ass off or whatever that.

Was wine in the yeah, that was wild.

But in the test I thought they were giving them nothing.

That's fine.

But I thought her emotional response to these results was odd.

To me.

It felt felt like what skin, what skin do you have in this game?

Like she just read yeah, sure, or maybe this was a setup.

Maybe the guy, Oh you guys, there's going to be a spin off, a lie detector test spin off, and she is the star.

Yeah, Wendy, her and Alison Debro are gonna But and then the guy I have was reading that he is a known sort of scammer who you can pay off to get the results that you want.

And he's been on other shows doing this work.

So I I have a question mark around and now with this information about you know, just the set up the executors, I have questions, you know, so I just want to throw that throw that I agree.

I agree.

Yes, now you're moving me back towards Katie because I didn't want I want Katie.

I'm rooting honestly, I'm rooting for Katie.

And a lot of the reason I'm rooting for Katie is I love Emily, but man, she goes so hard and she looks for every opportunity to drill down with all the drills on Katie, and like at the reunion last year and now at this party, and so.

Well, I like it when she kicked her out that don't kick people out.

Don't kick people out.

There's no reason they're going to leave anyway if someone's being ganged up on, and she was.

And look, I'm not saying she didn't ask for it, because if she's lying, she's lying, and people are all mad, you know, but we don't need to like run around the village, you know, with our torches, like when they when she was like get out of my house.

I mean, I think you should leave.

I hate that.

And when she was leaving and she was upset upside outside, it's like you're you're you're making us then have empathy for somebody that you want us to not like because you're accusing her of lying.

But now we feel bad and like it looks like a gang up.

Well, in the beginning of it, Gina is very much like, don't worry, We're gonna smoke her out of her hole right now.

So that seemed they seem so goddamn certain.

And I know some of that has to do with connecting with Kiki, But the whole thing thrown under the guys of Persian New Year, which Emily knew zero about, Shane knows less.

Was just just gorgeous.

It was gorgeous, It really was.

I loved it.

It looked great.

I love it looked great.

But it was such a bait and switch, and like, you know, it was such a setup to get to get someone drilled to the wall, you know, And I'm like, I don't know.

What about this was real?

Yeah, so yeah, I am now suspicious of Emily, of Emily's intentions, But at the end of the day, like I would, I believe every I believe Emily.

That's a thing, like she has given me every reason.

To believe Emma.

Yeah, I like regarding she comes across as a trustworthy person.

Too, Yes, as a voice of reason on the show.

Yeah, I mean, I don't know whose idea it was to do the lie detector, you know, I don't know if it was Emily's.

I don't know if it was Gina's.

I don't know it was producers, but.

It was Emily's because it was because Katie.

They had that flashback of Katie said I'll take a lie detector test or maybe yeah, to your point, maybe Gina, it was like we should and then Emily actually did it, but didn't tell Gene until she got there.

M M yeah, balls, Oh my god, bulls.

That was very funny.

The other significant lie was Jen saying she was happy about married.

Are there any concerns about you marrying Ryan significant?

She's significant fail?

Well, just you know, you know, just nerves about getting married.

You know that's all bikini body Uh huh no, no.

No that's not the question.

But listen, ask if you were going to be bikini ready.

Yeah, that should have been a question with regard to Jen and her ability to maybe cover for Gretchen.

I believe she has that capability because she's covered for Ryan.

Oh yeah, for sure, But I don't know if she has that capability in this test.

She wasn't asked any questions about it, and I see what saying, which is not right.

They should have asked her, we're you know at this dinner.

Oh, we already talked about that.

We don't know about the dinner.

Well, what was confusing, though, is why And I think we touched on it just a little bit at the beginning, but like then once, why didn't Shannon or Tamra say something in the moment about you told us you went to the hospital Gretchen when she said when the results of the lie detector test?

You know how we always say like it's annoying when shit happens off camera, that's annoying to us, and then it comes up like we have to live in two worlds.

What's more annoying to me is something like this where we're a we are all sitting and knowing a big piece of information that's not being mentioned in a scene that you're like, why is no one saying this?

And then you find out later like I just wanted to hold back and it's like why why why?

Right?

But not here, not now, not when we have lie detectors in different rooms, Like that's yeah, hold back.

Also, like Gretchen is a little housewife rusty because she said uh when she walked in, like she didn't want to confront Katie because and She's like, this is not the place or the time, and I'm like.

Oh girl, it's the time yet flip it.

It's not the time or the place, the place of the time, Okay.

Speaking of Gretchen, when they were at the sit down with Kiki Monique, and Kiki was like this, these are the facts my friends, and Gretchen was like, huh, I can't believe this.

And then Kiki leaves and then she is crying.

She is crying really hard.

She's not kik Ki.

Is like done, He's like, where's my mic off?

Yeah, Gretchen is crying and she's saying this is messed up.

People can't do this.

Now I'm starting to be scared about whatever.

Everybody's try been trying to tell me forever, But how would I know?

And I am reading between those lines because I'm not hearing an innocent person say I didn't say.

I didn't say that about dinner.

I'm hearing.

You're right.

What she said was everyone said it.

I didn't listen.

But how would I know?

Well, see, everyone said it, and you didn't listen.

Everyone said what, Well, to avoid Katie?

Right, Like, that's the right that everyone said.

She's saying, you can't ever avoid Katie.

Before you come on the season.

I didn't listen.

I didn't listen.

What I have known, Well, you got set and you didn't listen.

Right now, what we're saying is we're presuming that Gretchen was warned before coming on this season that Katie is not a to be trusted.

She lies, she makes things up.

Do not trust her at all, don't have an ally ship with her because she'll burn you in the end, or she'll look for something, so on and so forth.

Oh and then the recording and all this other stuff.

So the recording of Shannon, So then you think that she wasn't going to go to Keiki Monique with that recording.

By the way, See that's where I'm like, I get right back to it, But I digress.

Okay, So Gretchen was told this don't trust her.

She she kind of comes on the season.

She's caught up in getting back on the season.

She's got these new allies, Jen and Katie, and we're all out to dinner having a great time.

She's not naked, wasted, but she's feeling relaxed.

She's feeling like back in the game.

She opens up her mouth a little too much, says a little too much, and it's come back to bite her.

So when she's crying, she's saying, this is so messed up.

How can somebody who I trusted this information with that can be so damaging and so bad for Tamra that she would come after me and sue me?

How could she do this to me?

Now I'm starting to be scared because what else is she going to say?

What else is what else is she going to do to me?

And how would I have known that?

Thank you, good night, you nye, everybody, Thank you very much.

Bottom line is I am leaving this with saying I believe Gretchen told Katie and that table of people that Tamara drugged her allegedly, and I believe Jenna is protecting her.

And then I believe also that Katie's lying about everything else.

I mean to say, yes, I agree with that.

I do think Katie's lying, But I'm gonna have empathy because I keep going back to Katie's origin story, and I think she really needs to work on some things personally and psychologically there because like you know, she still hasn't met her bioparents.

Not that you need to do that, but that is something that weighs on her.

We know, we know that she had a very rough first marriage.

I think she's still in survivor mode.

Is when she's trying to survey.

I like that, So I have empathy for that.

That said, I don't trust her in this moment, and I also don't trust Gretchen either, so.

Which is so weird because she's kind of different like this, like a Christian and she's praying with sliw and like, it's not that I don't think that there's a hypocrisy everywhere.

I mean, I watched documentaries all the time.

I've lived this life.

I'm I'm a liver, you know.

But so it's it's not that I don't understand that these two things can be in total contradiction with each other, but to be that she doesn't strike me as coming on and just lying through her teeth all the time.

But I can't help but believe that she is.

Well because what I think when I go through all of it, it's like, Okay, well, was she drugged?

You know what I mean?

Because she did go to the hospital.

Did they find drugs in her system?

Maybe they didn't, but they didn't go But she didn't go to the hospital.

Who know why?

Don't know that?

But I'm saying, like, let's say she did.

Okay, let's say she went to the hospital and it was so bad and they found traces of this, that and the other in her body.

That's right, because that's what Katie said.

This is fucking crazy.

I can't even know.

So if that was the case, the reason why she would have to do this number right now is she has already looked down the road to see if she had legal action, and she doesn't, right, because it's either too far long ago, it's it she doesn't have enough evidence.

It was slightly exaggerate, whatever it is.

Like, let's say, I'm just I'm just I'm throwing a hypothetif that situation out.

But I have to say, if she went to the hospital, they would and they had that report.

That's your evidence, and I don't know if it.

Is, but she might be able to pin it.

You can't trace it.

Oh, I see what you're saying.

You know what I mean?

Like she could have pin it on because if she could and she had it, Oh God.

Your story right, because that's why she said.

Do you think that if I had this, I would have said something And she's saying exactly that, which is, if I would have had evidence to pin it on Tam Rocks, I would have brought this up.

But I didn't, which is she's.

Probably run down that road and she knows she can't pin it on Tama and her son.

So that the reason why she would have to Christian not Christian, blowout not blowout.

Slade mustache, slade mustache, head banded head bann this.

Those snowbos is because is because she doesn't have the amount of money that would be like Tamar's gonna sue her fucking ass off and she will lose half of her wealth.

That they live a modest asque life, you know what I mean.

They're not, they're not, you know, bathing in it.

Like she can't guess who understands about losing money and not having enough money jen uh huh, that's why she's protecting her.

She knows the financial destruction.

If Gretchen were to admit that she said this at a table of people, it's a wrap.

It's done.

Yeah.

Well, it's just crazy that Jimialino is allegedly now suing.

Gretchen and slowly because of the already I already know when she's starting to throw her fishing starting right now.

Yeah, Deanna, you were you were hot on something.

And that leads me to my final final conclusion.

Yeah, I'm kidding.

I already said it.

I already said what I said when I said, you know, which is it all makes sense to me now why Gretchen was crying because she knows that the cards, the house of cards of what she said is going to fall and she's going to be financially responsible.

And it is shitty for Katie to run to Kiki with that, by the way, like that's Gretchen's and that's her justification.

But it's also shitty.

This is where I go back to, like Katie, I mean, if it's all for show whatever, and in terms of staying on the show.

And.

But she also, let's not forget is trying to destroy Kiki, and that's not fucking great either, Like that's Katie, Like full right, Katie's trying to destroy Kiki, who really doesn't have a voice on the show at all.

Yeah, and good points.

And it's like lying about that.

Yeah, that's really bad.

So if Gretchen is like, I have to save my own ass because it's me against somebody who is doing moving and badly.

Yeah, litigious going to press all the time, I don't care.

I'm gonna save my own ass because I'm not going to go down this road.

And nobody told me it would be this bad And what else is next?

And how would I have known?

And this is so messed up.

People can't do this.

Everything she said, the story has been told and we can see it.

We'veigured it out.

I really think we figured it out.

Yeah, so.

Where where we're we're okay.

With Russian stretching the truth or lying because we get it on a bigger level.

On a fiscal level, on a fiscal level, okay, Yeah, but it's a reckless.

It's also reckless to be saying that in the first place.

To a table of because started this house of cards.

Yeah, yeah, like you thought that.

Yeah, I mean again, everyone said it the book.

Mm hmmm, that was Fraser.

That was Fraser.

But let's also you know, we don't need to focus on the naked wasted night, but that was also fucked up to begin with anyway.

I mean, now we're seeing footage rolling and rolling from that scene and it's dis de disgusting and disgusting.

Falls you have Bravo to be flashing that footage.

Around, so have had Yeah, I know, but they're obviously covered.

Yeah, I mean, everybody's covered until you have a good legal argument and then it gets argued.

So I don't know.

Well, guys, the one last thing I will say before we wrap is that there was a post Katie Janella will not appear on Real Housewives in Orange County, and it's in quotes for a while.

After tonight's episode.

August twenty eighth episode is her last appearance for a while on the show.

Bravo felt that all of the women were coming for her and decided to remove her from the mix for a bit.

A source tells Okay Magazine.

It was clear all the women had planned to band together to take Katie down, and they ended up refusing to film with her end quote.

And then the other thing is, oh, this is wild.

So Katie posted on her Instagram a picture of her in her gorgeous dress, and she says the caption is another waste of a good dress.

And guess who commented right below that Tamra Judge and it says, girl, that dress was fire.

I repeat, okay, girl, that dress was fire.

So they have somehow communicated again and are I don't so I don't know what's going on, but that's the real time update.

Well you have to remember that she that gret Tamra's goal is to take down Gretchen.

Gretchen Gretchen.

So right to our earlier point, my earlier point about Gretchen.

Legally, that was all me.

I came up with that point.

Boys on the board, scratches, scratches.

Yeah.

So now Tamra's if she aligns with Katie, she could maybe have something against Scretchen outside of the show legally, so who knows.

I just don't think it would hold up, But who knows.

That makes the most sense to me that Tamar's.

Got because why would Tamra be friends with someone who's gonna lie about Kiki Monique and deliberately knew that she lied, Like that doesn't make any sense when yeah, when Tamra's you're going she's lying.

Science is so good lying.

I mean, make a choice, all right.

I will say Tamra's outfit was awesome.

I love that red red flowy pants slowly so nice to see her in something flowy and breezing.

Yeah, eggs on the bottom, Eggs on the.

Everyone I was worried about.

You guys have egg on your feet.

I honestly send a text to the group and say there's gonna be eggs on my cash, you.

Know, like it'll alarming.

Yeah.

Also eggs on well, like a car, a paint is bad.

Eggs on a house is bad.

Eggs on cement or brick is that bad?

It was brick.

I'm going to assume that it was not fun to clean up.

I mean it's gonna stick.

And you know what you need that power washer?

Yeah, yep, well I'm glad we can end on a powerwasher.

Note me too.

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