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Hello, Hello, Welcome in everybody.

It's the Valley Reunion Day.

We're gonna be talking about that obviously before we get into it.

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Okay, onto other business.

Let me introduce my two fabulous co hosts this morning.

Emily Dereesis and Deanna m Chang.

Hi ladies, Hello, Hello.

Hello, It's good to be here.

My god, this was such an important episode.

It feels like an honor to be here for this episode, you know.

It does, so welcome into both of you.

Welcome.

So we've got a lot to cover obviously.

On a quick fun note, I don't know if any of you caught the last Culturistas Awards last night.

I did see some of them on Bravo and it was just about the funnest thing.

It's an award show unlike any other.

And I'm just so excited that they did this and that it was on Bravo.

What an amazing celebration and so so many housewives there.

That was really fun and Bravo people, So you guys have to check that out.

So reunion too.

Here we are on the valley picking up now.

Last week, your bish therapist was on with me recapping all of it, which was very exciting.

So I haven't heard from either one of you gals.

But here we are picking up with Jackson Brittany him saying like, yeah, keep testing me with your home tests.

I want to be held accountable.

I don't want to touch drugs and alcohol.

When he is trying to apologize and he's, you know, he's looking down, and that part when he was saying to Brittany that he was sorry, he was owning everything and she's like, can you look at the vice?

And Kristin was like, look at her in the eyes.

What is that all about?

I'm curious what your thoughts are on him, just the whole episode, always just having to look down and not at people.

Really well, I think he's full of shit.

And I think this was definitely performative and it wasn't about Brittany.

It was because this is pre him knowing he's not going to have his contract with Bravo anymore.

So I think this was all to make sure that he could be back on the valley and keep getting paid because we know how much she needs this job and how much he prioritizes this kind of job.

So I think like that was what that all was.

And when he was like, I missed you, Kristen, I missed our time together.

I didn't come to your baby shower And I'm like, you mean the one that they were filming, because you wanted to be filming.

That's what I was thinking, I'm like, you miss these guys because you're not filming with them.

You know, it did feel performative, you know it, and that's what's so tough about it.

Deanna, what were your thoughts on that?

No, I mean, I think this particular episode, I just got to understand what Brittany goes through, and quite frankly, also what Michelle goes through on a much smaller scale, which is like you are in a washing machine of emotion, lies and then apologies, and you know, it's so overwhelming.

It's so hard to stay centered and grounded.

And I thought Brittany did like an incredible job of like rooting herself into her truth and not getting swept up, you know, with him.

But man, it is psychological.

Everyone has their backs, Brittany and Michelle, which it doesn't seem to matter, Like I'm talking about that Gal's on the show all had their backs, doesn't seem to matter what everybody's going through with each other.

The thing that everyone agrees on is that Michelle and Brittany are correct.

Even though, like you'll see Kristen kind of like have Jesse's back in a weird way.

At the end of the day, she doesn't really have his back on the big stuff with Michelle.

As much as I did feel that, I was thinking back to like scandabal and Ariana and how much verbal support she got and emotional like, I felt like everyone was a little quiet even though the support was there.

I just thought I felt lonely for Brittany up there, and I don't know if you guys felt that at all.

I felt lonely for Michelle up there, but not Brittany because any chance that Jack's had to pivot and tried to make it about yeah, like he was the victim, they would all pounds and they would all call out they've seen the text, they've seen the videos.

Y.

You know, I felt lonely Andy Cohen because you know, he's sitting in the host chair and he's like, you know, no one's asking me any questions.

Everybody look at Andy.

Did you hear that?

When they come back from commercial and two, everyone look at Andy.

I need attention, Come on, guys, let's no.

Yeah, that's interesting.

I think that, like Brittany is so blameless in all of it, and I believe Michelle is too.

The problem is that you know, she is like second tier.

She's basically runner up, you know, at the pageant.

Unfortunately, when it comes to the drama and the trauma with their relationships, and I think that by the timing really is off for her because I really do agree with you, like I think people would be more on her side and more championing her, but they don't have any energy left to give Michelle because it's all going towards Brittany, and Brittany was there first, so I do feel like she's getting some spillover, but it's not really like the hardcore support that you that you want to see.

And I will mention that we still have many seasons to go, so maybe the tides will turn and people will be more a little more supportive towards Michelle.

But so after JAXX is talking about, you know, how he wants to be held accountable, and you know, I thought it was really sad that at this point he had been telling Brittany, oh, I don't know if this is the right decision or not, and now here she is crying, going, do you know how hard that is for me?

Because now you're trying to say you want to get back together?

And that was something that we didn't really know even though he couldn't even answer the question if he still loves Brittany or not he wanted to move on from that.

And I'm like, dude, you don't even.

Like, you don't even know what think you that?

I hated what did you think that?

Like?

I felt like, Mike, is he moving on from it?

Because he doesn't feel that way, but Brittany does, you know?

Which is so heartbreaking to hear her like like the fact that it's also like a might you're like, Okay, yeah, she's still there, you know, Wow.

She's in a shit position, and then she's got all of a sudden like pivot and be like like, uh now, I gotta like have love for this person on national team.

I just I thought it was it put.

Her in a really bad position, especially because like we've just heard the litany of things that have happened to her.

So I'm just kind of like, it's kind of like, but do you love him?

And it's like, well, well, so, like yeah, I just felt bad for her to have to like stand in that and deal with like and then Jack and then get and then on top of it, to have Jax basically reject it was just gross.

I know.

I mean, I think we mentioned this last week, maybe even the week before when the Valley was wrapping up before the finale, but it was like, at this point, everything that we had known about Jack's, why even bring him to the reunion?

You know, why did they allow him to be on the reunion?

And now we're in a position where it's like we're asking stupid questions to somebody who is, you know, an alleged abuser and you know, drug addict and alcoholic and has all these issues.

And so now we just have to sit here and endure it until we get to the end of Reunion three, and then I don't think that we're going to see Jacks ever again.

I really don't.

I mean, one of the things that really put things into perspective for me was when Jason was like, well, Jackson has been abusing cocaine for twenty plus years, so it's going to take a while for him to stabilize.

I was like, whoa, And now we said it when you put a number on the length of time, I was like, twenty years.

And when Britney said, yeah.

Like every ten minutes.

He went to the bathroom.

Yeah, And I thought that to me.

A couple things about that.

I was like, well, that was a long time ago.

She obviously was young.

She thought she could change him.

But then as time went on, you know, she unfortunately I don't.

She must have had these big blinders on to think, like you're marrying somebody who has a major addiction problem.

Like how how it got so bad.

With Yeah, she was doing coke and stuff with him.

She said that she's like to give me a drug test now, right like as they were partying together prior to the because that was in the opening of the Valley, because yeah, you just coke.

She's like, give me a drug test right now.

I don't do it now or whatever.

Yeah, but she did think she started pretty hard with him.

See I got this sense she was like, I don't like coke.

I tried it.

I mean, I got sense that she really it's not her thing.

She doesn't do weed, that she was more drinking and that coke wasn't her thing, you know, but.

For whatever it is, drinking drug whatever.

Like I'm sure that Brittany was cool with Jack's doing his things so she could do her thing.

And then like they had a whole pattern and also again he plucked her out of the fields like he in like bumfuck nowhere and like basically it's like this is how we live in LA and like and then all of his friends and it's all on TV and so I can see her getting swept up into that.

And again, I know I've said it before, I can't believe she ever got herself out of it.

So I can't believe he's still alive.

After finding out how long he has been doing this, I mean I really was shocked, like I you know, and he's like, you know, and here we are with the questions where and he's like, well, you so you were doing coke and filming and you know, I guess everybody, I mean everybody knew it at the time.

I guess I just didn't realize is that it was happening all the time, not just on camera, like it was a major lifestyle And when he admitted or at least said that if he didn't go to rehab, he would have died, And I'm like, is that true, Like is that really true?

I don't really know, but I think eventually yes.

But was there an incident recently where things got so bad where he had to go to the hospital.

We didn't hear anything about that, you know, I think, well, ye.

Him and Brittany both aligned on that, which made me feel that was true.

And I don't know what that looks like.

Yeah, but it had.

Reached a tipping point of no return where she's now expecting to see him dead in a bathtub, so like, and he co signed on that, which I kind of thought, this feels very true that this is where things were at whatever that means, you know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's being well, he's at a point now he's being totally reckless financially, all bets are we're off.

And then I'm sure he was reckless in every category and including like taking maybe bad pills or whatever.

So it could have happened.

Oh yeah, but I don't true.

Yeah, I don't think that.

I don't know if it's the end of Jacks because I can see him Jacks is he.

Will be a cockroach.

I mean, we we said that about like Sandoval.

We didn't know what was going to happen to him, But it's it's a different story with Sandoval.

I mean, you really can't compare Jackson Sandoval.

I mean, there's it's just two totally different things.

I don't know, well, I just I just don't really know where he's going to be.

I mean, I just don't see him coming back to the valley, that's for sure.

We we found out that he's not coming back.

Yeah.

Yeah, there's a lot of reality shows that take ne'er do wells, you know.

Right, that's true.

Okay, well that's a fair point.

I think I think we did his circle back like a couple of weeks, so I think we did sort of go through some of the shows that might have him.

We'll see.

Oh and I love that Brittany was like, you came up to me, vigas you Avid, give up to you Avid, d you.

I mean, him trying to paint the picture as if she was using him, you know, to get to where she is now is just such a joke.

I mean that's why when you're watching him do these apologies, he's vacillating between saying all the right things that he's been working on and and I think that's what Andy was acknowledging when he said, well, I've never seen him take this much accountability.

I mean, you know, I mean, I guess he was just trying to put it out there like he's doing more than we've seen him do and I'm just observing that.

Does anybody see that?

There was also a lot of like, well, the producers never saw you do that, right, And Jack's being like, absolutely not, the producers never saw me do a wall full of coke.

So I feel like he's There's a little bit of back and forth there, like subconscious or not, like Jack's being like, I'm still like I'm taking accountability and I'm also getting you guys off the hook and Andy being like, wow, very sincere.

Rob absolutely never knew I Meanwhile, everyone at home is like we watched him literally sweat coke out of his eyes, Like.

I don't know drugs, so I never know, Like I will never know drugs are not drugs, like I just couldn't couldn't tell.

Ya, you know, well, you know, like Diana, all you need to know is that it makes stars, you know, yeah, makes reality stars.

It makes our villains, and that's where we are.

Brittany really is she did great?

She did, and I love that.

She was like, I'll beat our therapist.

Tell us rather away you you kid treat the polar and you could treat.

Drug presh was it or yeah.

Something or addiction?

I don't know, but you can't, but you can't treat narcissism.

It's like it's so true.

And I love that she knows that, and he knows that, and we all know that, we're all here.

Zach, Zach really knows that.

I don't know if they all know that, you know, because it feels like the boy sort of Jason doesn't seem to know that, but Zach knows that.

And Zach was really helpful, you know during this episode.

Yeah, Zach was very funny.

He's like, I have tens years with her, and Zach's like, you threw that away.

Somebody who's like, I don't hate him, I hate him.

I hate him.

Yeah, that's narcissism talking.

See how he just says, you know my son, Like all of it was just yes.

Can I ask you guys a question because like we've seen Jacks all these years, and I just don't know what Britney actually saw in him that was good?

Do you know what I mean?

No, I would have I gotta tell you guys, I would have absolutely one been Brittany.

I would have fully committed, especially at that age.

I would have been on vander pump Roules with Jack's and married and been paying a bajillion dollars a month for his taxes and mortgage.

I mean, I can because I just know, and I was that age, and I came from a small town and I and I had the aspirations of moving to LA and all that.

So I can totally see me being swept up in a love bomb situation.

Older guy has the world by the balls, and I would have believed every lie.

I like to think I would have snapped out of it by thirty, but I don't know.

I know, yeah, you never know.

No, You're absolutely right, Emily, Yeah, But I just also am like thinking, well, what was the love bombing?

Because I don't feel like I've ever even seen the love bombing part.

What have you guys ever seen the love bombing part?

That's what I'm kind of wondering.

Like, I know he was like I love you, will you marry me?

But honestly, I don't really see even what the chemistry was between them, and she is like I loved him.

I mean it's practically like a Dolly parton from the Soul like you killed me.

It says I love you, I would stayed by you, And I am like, what did you love, Like, I really don't get it.

He is charismatic and he is he what I mean he I'll throw him under good looking, but he was really good looking back then.

Sure he's got that swagger and the kind of guy that walks into a room and everyone's going to notice him, you know.

So that a lot like one on one, one on one you're hanging out with.

What is happening?

She's she was very want to get granular.

Yeah, I think just respond just being and I mean, like we know, Jax gets back to you real quick and can focus on you very quickly, just in terms of just like hey we're going to jack Jack's.

We're gonna go to your bar.

He'll get right back to you, you know, like if you mess it, you know, so it's like experienced.

He might be full of shit.

So he's someone who gets back to you.

All right, we're going to ride draw.

I get it, I get it, I get it about it.

I love a celebrity.

She a girl, little girl, and he's a celebrity.

I mean, he is being responsive.

I'm gonna say it's not necessarily love bombing, but just him being telling Brittany something like I've never.

Felt this way before.

I've never told anybody this.

We all know that's bullshit, But to Brittany, it's like, whoa, I'm the one and I'm going to argue.

The entire staff of vander Pump of Sir also was like love bombing because they all were like Jack's has never acted like this before.

Yeah, Jax is so into you.

Yeah that's a.

Good I need.

I want to go back and like see what how they were even hanging out, because I just see them now and I'm like, what did you guys do when you're alone?

Like I can't even imagine you guys getting along?

Sounds like such an asshole to be around, even just outside of asshole.

You have to also, what I remembered at the time when when they when he proposed he had just lost his dad, And part of the narcissistic thing is like Brittany was there at that time, and he was in this emotional tsunami where he was like, I'm gonna be better for my dad, and I'm and this girl has stayed beside me.

He sent her to me.

We are meant to be so all of that, I remember thinking like, oh god, this is such a situational thing where she's going to get swept up into it because mentally he's going down this whole road of like I'm going to turn a page for my dad.

It's all.

It was all kind of fused at that time.

Yeah, you know, And so that feels amazing because it feels ordained.

Yeah, that makes nice because I'm wondering what was she getting out of this relationship this whole time?

And and I think, you know, you guys have both sort of painted that picture, and I thank you for the reminder or really just the awakening, because I you know, it's hard to look back and to see like, how did we even get here?

And one she says how much she was loved him and how hard it is for her despite how much he's done to hurt her and all the things.

I just go, Wow, she really loved him.

What was it about him that she loved?

So that's what I was wondering.

And then, you know, for her to get these dms from women that he been with saying you know, and she's like, I don't deserve to have to read that stuff.

What a nightmare to have to be dealing with that.

And then the other thing is when she called him out for being dried drunk.

You know that he still has the same patterns of someone who's lived this way for his whole life.

I also really appreciated when they were asked, you said that this wasn't the first time that Jacks was diagnosed with bipolar.

What did you mean by that?

And to find out before they started filming the valley that Brittany and Jack's sister had, you know, had confronted Jack's about going to see somebody.

He went to see somebody, he was diagnosed with bipolar, He was given medication, and then he never took it.

What were your thoughts on that, you guys.

Well, we need that was in the season, right.

Yeah, it was talked about, right.

I didn't know the timeline of it like that it was right before they started filming, because I thought it may have been a long time ago.

But it was pretty which I find interesting.

That timeline to me was was pretty important.

You know, it wasn't it was, But it's Jacks like timelines, past, like logic, like past punishments, past, whatever.

None of it seems to stick.

And going into this season, I can see them being like, you know, this is why I think he's gonna have a resurgence, even on Bravo, because it's going to be the new Jacks.

It's always the new Jacks we get introduced to.

It's always like.

He's fixed, right.

He's like, yeah, and I think that's what this was too.

We're gonna watch and if if the wheels come off, well then we're gonna we're gonna see that too.

And yeah, with a divorce, I think that was very or the separation was really compelling to film.

You know.

I mean, it takes a long time for someone to wrap their head around their diagnosis too, So that was helpful for me to find out that they had just you know, he had just sought you know, some sort of help about his mental health condition, probably what three years ago, maybe four tops if there's been two seasons.

So if it happened right before filming, it makes so much sense that he wasn't you know, getting help for that, and then things just went bad to worse worse, worse worse, and then you know, the lies just don't stop because they were like, yeah, you didn't take your bipolar medication and you refuse to continue to get help and he's like, oh, I'm taking it now.

It's It's changed my life.

I can't live without it.

And then in the same sentence, Brittany's like, well, Hacklebed, would you get you yell?

Made your I agree your rights takes to that you say you have taken your medication.

I'm like, this guy, oh, this.

Can get it is not like to do what she did and hold it the f down during this reunion, Like she didn't get swayed by him.

I was so impressed.

That is so not easy.

I mean I'm getting swayed, you know, I'm I'm getting like caught up in some loops and like she just was so amazing, like amazing.

I thought I was so impressed with her.

Were you guys impressed with her?

Oh my god, yeah it was.

I think I think I was actually like by the end of the reunion, I was totally I'm always I really like Brittany.

I'm always impressed with her.

What I what I was like seeing Jason at the end of the reunion go so hard on Danny.

Yeah, I was like, where was that for Jack's like totally yeah, he you.

Know, like because I was surprised at Jason's like, no, this is not okay for Danny but like for Jacks, it's like, well, you know, give him a break.

Yeah, yeah, he's dealing with whoever's messing with his wife.

If you're talking about his wife, he's going to be on your ass.

Jack say, isn't that is what he's doing?

That probably makes sense.

Also, Jack's got them on the show.

And I'm not saying that that is Jason's no but motives uperandi, but you know he definitely they know what side of the brother is buttered because they that was their in to the Valley.

Also, Kristen, that was interesting to hear Kristen say, I knew Janet as this like funny, great gal, and the second she got on the Valley, she's a completely different person.

That to me says a lot And like, I honestly don't even know what to make of that.

I'm like, is that just what happens naturally when you have cameras and or was she conniving before?

I really don't know what to think of that.

I don't know how Jason watched this whole season and doesn't see what we see and everyone on the couches sees with Janet and the manipulation.

But that's fine.

I do think She was probably very cool because she Yeah, no one would be friends with her otherwise, right, and want to do the show with her.

I mean even the way she was looking at Danny and Nia I was getting angry, Like when they were talking and she was like like, wait, you know, it's like, please give me a break.

You know, these are a nice you know, Danny has things to deal with, but they're they're all so bitter.

I mean, Jack starting the season saying he's going to go for them for Danny is like I needed to hear that, even though I think knew it.

It was a big Really, you know.

I didn't know that.

Did you know that that Jack had said he was going to go for Danny before the season started.

I didn't know that, did you Guys?

We felt it, like I think we all felt like he has a plan to be like I see write off me and putting it on this small man.

Because he has said it in different ways.

Yeah, this diminutive man.

I'm this is where I'm going to.

Well, he does have small hands.

I have noticed the small hands in it.

I agree, but that's okay, just neither hear no there right.

Uh, He's mentioned it in different ways that was pretty direct.

Yeah, I know even how to feel about that, because I'm like, I I don't want to side with Janet at all, but I definitely am like Janet and or Jasmine and Michelle clearly are feeling a certain way that something that this went down, and I believe them, And it's weird then to see Dotie be like it's not true, it's not true, and it's like wait, what, Like, okay, cut Janet out of this, let's just talk to the people that happened to They're saying this happened.

So it's a weird vibe because as much as I like Danny and Nia, I absolutely I'm like, what is your deal, dude?

Enough people are saying some things with an s went down.

Well.

Janet really dropped at the very end by saying like, there have been two more incidents that happened since the super Bowl, so you know, what is that all about?

And they were very emphatic that did not happen.

That's a lie.

So you know, we really don't know because now when these things now that's all kicked up, people could be starting to create rumors out of nothing because they know it's something that's out there already, do you know what I mean?

Yeah, absolutely, like the people that are dming Jack's right, right, right, Brittany, Now, like come on, but I.

Do think we've seen Danny there is a turn that he has when he's drinking.

Like that's that, you know, so I could see more things happening.

Absolutely.

Maybe I am on Janet side.

No, I don't know, Like I agree with you in that you know, look where there's smoke, there's fire, and you know this has been starting, this is starting to be addressed in his life.

You know, for him to be at a bar, he was like he has you know, we okay, we had a flashback to the apology to Melissa and Jasmine.

I was on antibiotics.

I was you know, I was too drunk.

I was this.

I was that I hadn't eaten three under three, you know that, all that stuff, and then we have like abhorrent behavior into which it's so serious that yeah, these gals don't even want to talk about it that often, but they in fact, they're the ones that aren't even really perpetuating it most of the time.

It's Janet that keeps bringing it back.

And that's what's obvious is that you know, but the one thing that we did here in this episode was the white party and how you know, when Jasmine pulled him aside and wanted to talk about the incident again, he was like, are we really doing this again?

That's gross?

You know, I mean, I understand Nia's like, well, he apologized, He apologized, He apologized.

You also have to understand this is part of the show.

Now, this is you know, it's not just two people who feel like they need yet another apology.

But you know, certainly there's some stuff there with Danny and yeah, they were exposed.

He was exposed.

You know, he was exposed, Zach was exposed, Jesse was exposed, Janet was exposed, Michelle was exposed.

He only sposed who Aaron that cutaway that never Baron before seen shot of him and Jesse talking shit.

I was like this mother, Like when he was sitting there saying about his past relationship with her or.

About being at the park, Yeah.

I saw that as nothing.

I saw that as like, does not have her back?

Well yeah, but I to me him being like she was talking about we were discussing these dates I was having and then yeah, she mentioned the only time we talked about you was when you guys were getting I didn't see that as much.

Am I tripping?

Like I didn't really, I didn't see it as much.

But that told a story of an emotional affair in the sense that, like you can imagine what their relationship was like that it was innocent.

They kind of like, oh, you know, we're at the park and oh my gosh, these girls that I'm dating, and you know, it's like, oh, well you should try this, like maybe if you do this when I my husband used to do this for me, but he doesn't really do that for me anymore.

And then the next thing you know, she's giving him advice on girls they're they're seeing each other more often, and then she's like underfiling, Yeah, I completely agree.

Michelle doesn't want to admit that, and to be honest with you, with you, that's fine.

She's not going to admit much because Jessee's such a class a asshole and I don't blame her for holding onto that.

But it was kind of funny that she was there, Like was it emotional, Michelle?

She's like, no, no, none at all.

It's like, okay, well we can tell that it is a little She's not going to admit that that's fine, but at the end of the day, she'll probably realize that at some point in her life.

Whether she wants to realize that now, she will later.

Because the point of that is is that when someone's giving you attention, and regardless if they're talking about their girlfriends, but they're interested in you and it's attractive person, and you guys are having like some sort of chemistry situation, it becomes what it led to, which was a relationship, a full on relationship.

It was interesting to find out that Michelle didn't have the relationship that Kristen was referring to, completely different person.

Did you guys see that coming?

Yeah?

I was like, now, was that Quentin Tarantina?

Yeah?

Right, oh right, legend which one was Quentin Tarantina?

But you know the fact that like to me, I don't I'm not in line with you guys about the emotional affair.

And I say that because I think you can like shoot the breeze and have a relationship with someone that's at the opposite sex and connect and maybe it's getting deeper as a connection, But I don't necessarily throw that into an emotional affair.

Not always.

Yeah, it just feels like a stretch, and.

It would be a stretch if they didn't end up together.

But they ended up together.

So I was setting in that direction.

But I agree with you one Danna that people can have conversations at the park and there's nothing and there's nothing to it.

Yeah, and listen.

But you may be like, yeah, if I wasn't married, i'd bang this person.

But it doesn't You're right, It doesn't mean that it was an emotional fair.

I at agree.

I think an emotional fair to me is you know, you're having these conversations of the park, then you're texting each other, then you're getting into bed at night and saying like, how was your day?

And you know what I mean, it's like a little like to me, that's an emotional fair.

This is like he's hot, we're talking, I'd bang him.

Now I'm separated and I am going to bang him right right.

Yeah, I see what you mean.

Yeah, I see what you're saying.

Yeah.

I think that's a good way to break it down.

Yeah, I mean I get that.

I do get that.

Yes, I do get that.

Okay, Well, I know I don't know how I feel, but regardless, I do think I think there's they ended up having an affair.

I guess we can all probably agree.

Yeah, we can say that that is but.

For somebody breaking somebody like she was with somebody else.

But at the same time, like it's so blurry because like then you hear Jesse is like offering to eat out.

And that's a new information.

That's just fun.

You know, this is like a blurred like they are blurred lines.

You know, I've always said this.

You know, realtors.

Speak on it, speak on it.

Damn it.

It is the sauciest bunch, like you do not want you.

It's just a bunch that has blurred lines.

And I'm so sorry you guys if you're a realtor listening to this, you know I'm saying the truth.

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All right, well, let's discuss how Andy interrupted something at some point when it was extremely intense and said, by the way, is everyone upset at their closing Hooters and the fact that there wasn't an awkward silence?

Everyone just immediately jumped in immediately.

I'm so sorry, I'm so bummed, and Brittany wanting to branch out and have had maybe had one of the franchises.

I thought that was a brilliant idea, and unfortunately it's not going to happen.

This is the first i'd heard about it closing.

I didn't know that was happening.

I didn't know it either, So it feels like it's a real save exclusive yeah.

And it just so valley for them to care is so it's so perfectly valley, right.

All right, So why don't we get into Well, I do want to mention Cruse.

This is where I really felt the heaviest for Brittany, because Jax was so absent as a parent, you know, during the entire time in which he was showing symptoms and he started to change he when he turned two.

He was digressing, digressing, he was doing, he was stemming, and she had to really be the one who was taking him to all the appointments, getting all the diagnosis, getting the referrals, you know, and that is so complicated to do, so to have to do it alone speaks volumes and shows what an absentee, neglectful parent he was for the entirety of really the beginning of Cruz's extremely important life.

So when he says things like, you know, Cruz, yeah, He's the best thing I ever did, I just want to I just want to just do stuff, you know, I just want to do stuff that makes me upset because I just think, like it it's not about you, you know, it's not about you.

And all this stuff that Brittany's been doing, like you didn't even realize how important it was, and you were not there.

Well out of rehab, getting like botox and hanging out with Schwartz, like still not seeing cruise.

It's like, yeah, you talk about like.

Who believes Jack's It's like a lot of people do, because he can get away with telling these bullshit stories to people, and then when it hits the it hits like our ears or anybody that actually knows him, they're like, hang on a second, dude, this isn't Yeah.

Yeah, he's good at what he does.

He really is.

Yeah, slippery little fucker.

You know, Jesse said something about seeing Michelle's text about wanting to destroy and expose Jesse's girlfriend at the time, the bay Watch, and that was new information because then it was like after that, that's when the girlfriend was threatening a cease and desist, was after she perhaps saw this text message about wanting to destroy and expose Baywatch Gal.

And that tells a different story to me.

I thought, Michelle, do you have blood on your hands for this one?

I mean, I'm sure she was mad, but Jesse's bad shit.

I don't believe anything Justice says.

I don't know to believe him either, but was that true.

I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say probably not.

I'm sure she was upset that Jesse had her around their kid, but like, I don't know, she came after Janet too, allegedly, right, she came after different people on the show.

Oh right, yeah, yeah that's true.

All right?

Who knows?

Yeah is called out and he knows he's wrong.

He's like, ah, yeah, okay, yes I did say that she slept with someone for X amount of dollars, Like, oh.

Like A.

Right that?

I I wondered, you know what I mean?

I did.

I wonder, like, well, sure, when it's put out there, so the fac that we're lightly just bouncing that off our shoulder, like, wow, he is he is, Baby Jack's.

It's just in a in a different formation.

By American psycho.

I keep going to American psycho.

Yeah, I did hear that he had a relationship with that man that was at the wedding.

That Jesse did allegedly had you heard that?

Oh wowea interesting, the one that was selling the money.

Okay, that he was with me for several years.

What why wouldn't Michelle bring them up the rooms?

Well, I think she is trying to I think she's I think she's like, follow the money, everybody who's paying your bills, and like it's this guy.

I do think she's putting it out there pretty hard without I.

Think it was a friend.

But you know that's fine, do you know what I mean?

Like he may be a bisexual man who was getting paid.

Well, that would be a whole other level of deflection if he's the one who's getting paid to do things after projected, Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry projecting, not deflecting.

I just get to so boggled up.

Thing's going on.

Everything's going on over.

There, allegedly major allegislation.

Yeah, man, but I got I got a host of pictures and everything.

What I don't know, you don't know.

Huh oh my gosh.

Okay, well, earphones went out.

She can't hear you.

Now, I gotta wrap this up so we can talk about that.

Could also be a friend.

They have a gay friend.

Great, who's older, Great, who gives them money?

Great?

You know, it's not to say it's one hundred percent.

And actually listening to the positioning, he was one of fifty two at the way, I'm like, well, maybe maybe this is a well a pal and you have a lot of pictures with the.

Pal that that introduction of one of fifty two is not the flex that he thought it was.

To compliment his friend, like if if you said that about me, where you're like, well, you know, Amy was one of fifty two people at my wedding, so she's really close.

I'm like, how does that really, at the end of the day elevate that person?

I mean, on that just a little bit.

Oh okay, all right, both of you are saying because weddings and price points, is that what you're saying?

Well, I think a lot of weddings are like one hundred hundred and fifty two hundred people to fifty.

So if you have a smaller wedding and you've made the cut of fifty two with two families and friends, I'm.

Like, okay, it's a small wedding to cost.

Like, what do you say one hundred and fifty grand?

I couldn't believe that.

He says their wedding past one hundred and fifty grand?

Wow?

When did they say that?

They're early?

And oh wow?

Miss that because Andy's like, why are you making how much did your wedding cost?

And why?

And now he come back and trying to coffee.

Did it slur Well, it just goes oh oh god, Okay, if anyone is wondering, it's just a Starbucks, gorgeous little morning starting up spirit me up.

Okay.

So yeah, wow.

Well that's why he went to Michelle to pay for half or something.

But I need to if you guys didn't hear one hundred and fifty maybe I didn't, but I.

Was like, oh my god, oh, I'm sure.

You're right money on it, because I didn't even hear him say anything about that, so like, I missed it entirely.

Oh.

I wanted to mention before we wrap up, Danny admitting to hiding in the pantry from the cameras very important information.

Glad we got there.

And I also, like Jacks, need to sincerely apologize from the bottom of my heart for only now coming up with Dantrey.

The pun instead of pantry.

We should have been saying Dantry still sick with Dana Clarita.

But I could have gotten to Dantrey and it did cost one hundred and fifty thousand dollars fifty two people.

I just confirmed it.

Oh wow, good job.

Okay, that the cost of not getting to dance right.

I thought it was the penalty.

Hi, now pay the.

Michelle needs to pay for that wedding, for my punishment, for my yeah, my pun pun ishmn oh boy.

Now we're talking ding ding ding.

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