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The news has been dominated by the Bombshell Report from the McCullough Foundation, which is a charitable organization.

I hope all of you consider supporting.

And that foundation, under my leadership, and with great assistance from our vice president John Leake and our epidemiologist and administrator Nicholas Holcher, has produced the most comprehensive report on autism spectrum disorder that exists to date in the world's literature.

So this is very important.

You've seen numerous clips on this.

This has made the rounds in the media.

And in many ways, is a shockwave to the academic community.

What my pinned tweet that I had up on X had over a million interactions.

And a typical one can have from 20,000 to 100,000 interactions.

So it's stunning.

So I'm going to spend this first part of the McCullough report this week on going over the report so you understand the meets and the bounds of the report and understand the process that we undertook, as well as how you can access it and use it and share with others, because so many have said, listen, where's the evidence on vaccination and autism?

Now you have it all assembled.

There's nothing more comprehensive, and there's nothing that's going to be produced that's more comprehensive until large prospective cohort studies or even randomized trials are done.

So the title of the report's called The Determinants of Autism Spectrum Disorder, a determinant is something that we believe is playing a role in the development of the problem.

The first author is Nicholas Holster.

Nick is at the McCullough Foundation now for two years.

He has his master's in public health from the University of Michigan, one of the top schools of public health in the country.

John Leake is second author.

John is a New York Times bestselling author who had trained under the famous philosopher Roger Scruton.

John who was already a best selling true crime investigator author before he came into my circle several years ago.

Simon Troop, who has a Masters of Public Health and is McCullough Foundation fellow.

Claire Rogers, who is a physician assistant, very active in the Health Freedom Movement, Kirsten Cosgrove, who is a research associate, Nathaniel Mead, who is a PhD, a former National Institutes of Health writer.

Brianne Craven, who is a physician assistant, Mila Radovich, who is at the undergraduate level.

Andrew Wakefield, who is a physician MBBS from the UK, who made one of the seminal observations about vaccination and autism as well as its associated gastrointestinal abnormalities in a very heavily cited paper in Lancet in 1998.

Now, Wakefield's paper stood as a valid paper for over a decade until Big Pharma pressured Lancet to take it down.

And then, of course, myself and those of you who are familiar with me, I am the most published and senior doctor to render an opinion in this area to date.

So on the cover of our report, we actually put the central figure, which is what we found, the multifactorial determinants of autism spectrum disorder.

So multifactorial means there are multiple factors.

There's no single cause.

So when you hear someone say, well, it's caused by this or that.

No, this is a complicated syndrome.

It could be even a family of syndromes.

Remember, autism spectrum disorder is closely related and overlapping with attention deficit disorder, ticks, which are involuntary facial movements of the face that develop over time during childhood, as well as seizures or epilepsy.

All of those are on the rise.

In this syndrome, the children are born normal, and then around age one moving forward to age four, they develop one of these neurodevelopmental neuropsychiatric syndromes.

Well, what did we find?

Around this wheel, this is a very important figure.

You'll see this on the front cover.

Prenatal complications and prematurity.

So if a child is born before 36 weeks, there is an increased risk.

An endocrine nutritional milieu, and uh it is possible that uh endocrine abnormalities, uh nutrition in the mother, in potentially the baby play a role, particularly junk foods or uh foods that are thought to be unhealthy.

Maternal immune activation, we found evidence of uh fevers, infections, poor dental care during uh you know, during maternity.

Uh mitochondrial redux susceptibility.

So there have been muscle biopsy studies showing that the mitochondria, the energy-producing subcellular organelles within cells are abnormal in autistic children.

Neuroimmune vulnerability, for sure.

So uh here's an example.

If a child is born premature, they have an intraventricular hemorrhage, so they have a hemorrhage into the brain, they seem to be predisposed.

Genetic and epigenetic predisposition.

So there are common genetic variants.

This has been exhaustively studied, but they've been there for a very long time.

There's no genetic drift or change.

It's not changes in genetics that are fueling the autism epidemic.

It's just that there are some genetic predisposing factors.

Environmental toxicants, pesticides, pollution, heavy metals.

Um, and then in uteropharmacologic exposures, and we looked at this very carefully.

The big ones I'm worried about are anti-convulsives, antidepressants, and antipsychotics and opioids, not tylenol.

We could not find evidence that Tylenol independently is associated with autism.

So don't worry about taking a Tylenol tablet.

I'm much more concerned about taking Capra or taking lamicto or some of these heavy-duty drugs during pregnancy.

And then lastly, a gut brain axis dysbiosis, which is interesting.

In the children with autism, they almost always have a GI tract abnormality that is a big time problem.

And on our show, I've actually had Sabine Haysen on this, we reviewed the data, and I've asked her, are the children with autism, are the GI tracts messed up because it's it's related to this gut brain axis, or is it because they have poor diets?

And she said we can't possibly know, but autistic kids almost always gravitate towards very unhealthy diets.

So that's an opportunity for parents with autistic children to actually modify diet and modify uh autism outcomes, which they do, and give great credit to the parents.

And we know Canner, who first described autism in the 1940s, a child psychiatrist, made the observation that the parents of autistic children appear exceptional, which is very interesting, that they are exceptionally competent adults and very competent parents.

And I've made the same observation in my clinical practice.

I think Canner nailed this, so many parents of autistic children will be listening to this report, and I want to congratulate you for being excellent parents and doing everything you can for your children.

So those are the non-vaccine risk factors for each and every one of them.

We believe they either play a predisposing or a minor role, but they themselves are not central drivers of the syndrome.

That leaves us to vaccines.

32 doses by age two, and uh we have uh thorough investigations of aluminum and mercury.

Mercury is largely out of vaccines, but aluminum is not.

Uh, there is a compound neurotoxicity that occurs, and I think the big ticket is neuroinflammation or what we call encephalitis.

If it's a clinical encephalitis and the children have a seizure and become immediately neurologically impaired, or subclinical encephalitis.

And this is hard to diagnose in a six-month-old baby, but if there's brain inflammation, the ultimate chronic changes that occur after brain inflammation is called a post-encephalitic saint.

That's what leads the brain to actually develop these features of autism.

Uh, and they include inability to focus and concentrate.

Can't look at uh the parent in the eye, they lose verbal uh communication skills, uh, repetitive headbanging, uh, inability to navigate the bathroom showering and toileting.

Can be a reduced IQ or a very enhanced IQ.

Uh there also is hyperacusis, which is an enhanced hearing.

If you've ever noticed a small autistic child nowadays, you go to a football game, the parents put headphones on them so that the sounds aren't so loud.

Uh, these are the characteristic features of autism.

That's one in 31 children in the United States, 3.2% profound autism, which is defined as markedly reduced IQ uh health.

Headbanging, injurious behavior, absolutely cannot communicate, cannot toil it independently.

That's a lifelong severe caregiver dependent disability.

That's 27% of the entire autism spectrum.

So we think profound autism is where our efforts should be focused.

What I've just gone through with you is the most comprehensive multifactorial explanation for autism spectrum disorder, and that's on the front cover.

We have a table of contents where we go through all of these factors parental age, genetics and gene environment interplay, maternal immune activation, acute and chronic infections, periodontal disease, premature delivery, autoimmunity, autoantibodies, cytokines, chemokines, neuroinflammation, mitochondrial and redux biology, neurodevelopmental and neuroanatomic findings, metabolic and fertility domains, environmental toxic concentration elements, gut brain exits, pesticides, immunopharmacologic exposure, and then routine childhood vaccination starts on page 27 of the report.

There are neutral association studies.

There are 29 studies that said we can't find an association.

Every one of those studies, including the very dominant Danish cohort study, we found to be grossly flawed.

That is the unvaccinated group is indeed vaccinated, so there wasn't a true control group.

None of these studies examined the vaccine records, interviewed the parents, or examine the children.

So we can't say that this has been ruled out.

And some have said, well, the case is closed.

This has been rolled out.

None of those studies are conclusive.

Well, the positive associations are studies are far more.

In fact, uh, well over a hundred positive association studies, that's 79% of all the medical literature shows there is an association.

And we divide these into thy marisol and mercury and measles, mumps and rubella, aluminum adjuvants.

ASAN and complexity of compound vaccination.

The case reports and case series of vaccine-triggered autism that the parents report.

Vaccinated versus unvaccinated outcomes, very important.

There are a dozen studies showing a healthy child born today is healthier and relatively free of the risk of autism or other neurologic problems if they take no vaccines whatsoever.

We thought that part of the report was compelling.

Compound vaccination, it appears as if every single additional dose increases the risk.

And then the age of vaccination exposure, and this is uh important.

The earlier vaccines are given in the neurodevelopmental period of childhood, the higher the risk.

The later the vaccines are given, the lesser the risk.

This is very important.

So there are some illnesses that we can very much delay vaccination until it's more age appropriate.

Hepatitis B is the biggest example.

Healthy child born today of a normal hepatitis B negative mother has zero risk of hepatitis B.

However, if they go into health care like I did, and like many of you did, you'll need a hepatitis B shot as you enter your health care career.

That's perfectly fine.

We have no problems with that.

So it's it's vaccines given at the right time, which I think is uh very, very important.

Uh this report, I think will stand as an absolute convincing, heavily referenced report.

Peer review is pending, we will take it through peer review, as we always do at the McCullough Foundation.

Uh it has 308 references, it's meticulously cited, we've gone through all of this.

Tables, supplementary tables.

Many have said, why didn't Robert F.

Kennedy and the U.S.

government produce this report?

You know, Kennedy said he'll have the answer on autism in September.

Well, he missed on that deadline and the Herky Jerky September 22nd press relief pressor uh briefing with Trump and uh Robert F.

Kennedy and uh Marty Macri of the FDA and Dr.

Oz of CMS and Dr.

J.

Badachara.

I mean, that was uh very, very poor performance.

Uh Trump in his heart knew the vaccines were the problem, but then uh the cover-up seemed to be well, let's try to pin it on Tylenol, and uh nobody bought that.

And the Swedish paper by Altquist and Gemma 2024 was definitive.

Tylenol is not independently related to autism.

That's the way it's very important.

Now it turns out that women who take Tylenol during pregnancy also tend to take antidepressants and antipsychotics and antiepileptics and other drugs, they also tend to be older, and the list goes on and on.

So it's the other factors that are put at a woman at risk, not taking Tylenol.

Tylenol is safe and effective in controlling fever and should be used in controlling fever in a pregnant woman because if a pregnant woman does not handle fever, then uh in fact she could lose the baby.

And in the feedback that I got after that September 22nd press briefing, and women uh uh messaged on Twitter and said, listen, you know, I uh I was told to take vaccines during pregnancy, and in order to prevent the fever of taking vaccines, I was told to take Tylenol.

So the only time I took Tylenol during pregnancy was when I was receiving a maternal vaccine.

And uh, you know, for the last 20 years or so, women have been told, and this got put on the routine care plan for obstetrics that they should take the diphtheria tetnispertussis at a lower dose, they should take the inactivated flu vaccine, and now take the uh COVID-19 vaccine and the respiratory synstitial virus vaccine.

And let me tell you, 20 years ago and before, when my wife had her kids, no vaccines whatsoever.

So vaccines have crept into modern obstetrics, and one has to wonder if a pregnant woman takes a vaccine, and that can cause systemic inflammation and those cytokines and those inflammatory factors, you know, go right through the umbilical cord to the baby.

You know, couldn't the vaccines themselves during pregnancy be the real risk factor, not tylenol for the child to ultimately develop autism later on, particularly the early onset autism cases.

So I think that uh has to be a careful consideration.

But it's not Tylenol.

I want people to understand that uh in many ways the new administration grossly misled the public on tylenol.

And um, in fact, this has gone pretty far.

The FDA has put out another warning on Tylenol.

They already had one on Tylenol and ADHD that was over 10 years old, and Attorney General Ken Paxton announced that he is going to sue manufacturers of acetum NFN.

I think it's all misguided.

We should keep our focus on the vaccines.

But getting back to the question of why didn't Robert F.

Kennedy and the current administration do the definitive report.

Why did it take the McCullough Foundation to step up and do this?

It was a huge body of work, took over a year.

Um, and it has not been criticized by scientific scholars or the medical community.

Not.

There's not a single point in this paper that anybody has raised that said we're wrong on it.

The only thing we've received is a ton of praise, which is uh uh fine to get, uh, and then we've received ad hominem attacks from unhinged vaccine promoters like uh Peter Hotez, for instance.

But not in a single case did say we receive a comment saying, oh, this figure is wrong, or this table is wrong, or you misquoted the study.

Not a single error.

So it's airtight.

But why didn't the government produce this report?

My conclusion is it's because the government is in the vaccine business.

You know, over half of all vaccines are purchased by the U.S.

government.

The CDC holds itself out as a vaccine promoting agency.

In fact, the CDC claims that vaccination is one of the single greatest advances in public health.

The CDC has an entire vaccine promotion divisions.

And other government agencies uh promote vaccines as well.

So we can't expect the U.S.

government to produce a report on autism when vaccines are linked to autism.

And well, why hasn't the autism community uh produced such a report?

Or why hasn't the pediatric or neurologic communities produced such a report?

Because I think it would ultimately lead to the same findings that we have produced, and that is the vaccines are linked to autism.

It would be an incredible threat to one's belief system that vaccines indeed could cause harm in some susceptible individuals.

You know, there are more children with profound autism now in the United States, hundreds of thousands of them, than there ever were children who are paralyzed from polio.

Autism as a complication of vaccination is worse than polio, the disease that fortunately now has gone away.

We haven't had polio in the water supply now for 20 years.

If vaccination can claim some credit, that's terrific.

But I, you know, improvements in sanitation and other advances can't be discounted.

So we're in a time now where there will have to be a careful reexamination of what we're doing with vaccination.

A recent report in JELA indicates.

60% of parents are not going to go through with the routine schedule when they have children.

And that'll be the single greatest change.

You know, forget what the government or the uh the advisory committees or the FDA or CDC or NIH say.

Parents are going to have the final say of what happens to their children.

More and more states are having a greater freedom in vaccine choice.

And these community activist groups are really making an impact.

I give great credit to Rebecca Hardy and Texans for vaccine choice in Texas that have made a huge advance.

Now, in Texas, we have philosophical, religious, and medical exemptions.

We can download the forms from the internet, print them out, get them notarized, and parents are good for vaccine exemptions for public schools.

Not so good for vaccine exemptions at uh private schools.

Private schools can say we're ignoring the state law on this.

But there's been a great advance in vaccine freedom.

But I've been asked on multiple shows, and Nick and myself and John have tried to organize, you know, what should we uh say to this question.

They said, Dr.

McCullough, what should we do based on this report?

And we've arrived at four points that I think we should do.

Four action items.

Number one is we should rescind the 1986 vaccine injury compensation act.

That legislation produced liability protection for the vaccine manufacturers.

The vaccine manufacturers have not been incented to make uh safer products, even in 2010, in the minority opinion at the Supreme Court by Justice Sotomayor.

She said, listen, this legislation has essentially created uh an environment where we won't have better or safer products.

And she was right.

And you know, of note, she's on the liberal side of the Supreme Court.

So rescind the 1986 Vaccine Injury Compensation Act legislation.

Uh that's number one.

Number two, uh I think we should suspend the current CDC ACIP or advisory committee on immunization practice schedule.

We should suspend the vaccine schedule because it's going to have to overgo and uh it's gonna have to uh undergo an overhaul.

Number four, that we should uh ban all forms of uh vaccine uh mandates of any type or requirements, no requirements to go to school, to get a job, go to university, uh military, uh etc.

We should just they should be gone.

You know, there are 88 countries.

Dr.

Drew pointed this out, Dr.

Drew Pinsky in Twitter.

There's eighty-eight countries that have no school requirements for a vaccination, and we should be one of those countries.

No private school should tell you that your kids have to take a vaccine to go to school.

And then the last one, very importantly, is we should ban or eliminate all direct to consumer advertising on television because uh it's misleading the public.

They don't give the side effects of the vaccines.

Uh no other country does it in the world outside of New Zealand.

We actually even have our public health agencies doing pharmaceutical advertising for Americans on TV.

And it's wrong.

It's completely wrong to do that.

So uh that should be eliminated.

So, in summary, four points rescind the vaccine uh injury compensation act, number one, number two, suspend the ACIP schedule, number three, ban all forms of vaccine requirements and mandates, and number four, eliminate direct to consumer advertising.

Those are the four action points you can carry those forward in your health uh activists or health freedom points as you deal with others on this topic, and share the McCullough report on the determinants of autism liberally.

It has a data issue with European Commission servers and Odo, and it will undergo uh full peer review.

It's also going to be published on our website and in monograph form that we'll get uh hopefully up on Amazon and other the other major booksellers.

So uh this is a major accomplishment.

Uh, I'm proud to put my name on it, and I'm happy to go out there uh for you and take all the heat on this.

I'm willing to stand behind this.

Indeed, routine childhood vaccination is a major modifiable risk factor for the development of autism spectrum disorder.

So I'll let that be the last word.

Now the second half of the show is a wonderful interview I had with Dr.

Melissa McCann, and she is in Australia as a family doctor in a relatively rural location, but she has played a seminal role in health freedom and concerns regarding COVID-19 vaccination.

She had a direct interaction with Dr.

Scarrett, who's in charge of their TGA, which is the FDA equivalent.

Uh she is involved in the uh Australian inquiry in the terms of reference.

And along with Professor Robert Clancy, who is a nominee for the Nobel Prize, a immunologist in Australia, her and Dr.

Clancy put together a wonderful book called COVID in our eyes.

And this is a book I highly recommend.

It has over two dozen authors.

It goes over uh the clinical, uh regulatory, legal, as well as uh, you know, the um uh civil liberties and public aspects of the pandemic response in Australia.

Australia is unique in that uh it it had COVID arrived there very late.

So Australia was nearly a hundred percent pre-vaccinated before the virus hit the continent.

And Australia was the best example of vaccine failure as virtually everybody got COVID-19.

It was obvious the vaccines didn't work.

Australia was the test ground for pre-vaccination.

It was an abject failure.

In fact, one of the press releases, one of the Australian officials, public health officials got on TV and said 100% of the hospitalized patients at a hospital that he was reporting from were fully vaccinated.

So it was a complete and total failure.

Uh this book is well written, it's authoritative, and it really covers the spectrum.

I think there's something in it for everybody, so please go out and go on Amazon and buy COVID in our eyes by uh Dr.

Melissa McCann and Professor Robert Clancy that needs to be on your bookshelf.

The reason why print books are so important in this day and age of artificial intelligence and Google and censorship is that electronic materials can be altered.

Interpretations can be false in artificial intelligence, depending on the programming.

But what's not false is the print page that you hold in your hand.

It can't be altered, no one can alter it.

Hang on to it, keep it on your hand, keep it in your bookshelf.

Print books really play a role now in this time of great controversy.

So that's the end of my monologue.

Please enjoy the second half of the program.

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Welcome to the show.

It's my great host to invite to the program, Dr.

Melissa McCann.

Dr.

McCann is a family medicine physician who's in a semi-rural practice in Australia and has been a leader in pointing out the uh the great harms that we've seen with COVID-19 vaccination.

Dr.

McCann, welcome to the program.

Thank you so much, Dr.

McCullough.

It's a pleasure to be here.

Well, you and and Professor Robert Clancy have uh published a wonderful book.

And I'll hold it up here.

And the title of the book is COVID seen through our eyes.

This is very important.

An Australian story of mistakes, mistreatment, and misinformation.

Boy, I can tell you, I think this book is going to be a blockbuster.

I think everyone should get a copy of this book.

And uh in America, people can learn really what's happened in Australia and all over the world.

Melissa, can you tell us a bit about you know what drove you, Dr.

Clancy and the contributors to put this together?

Yeah, well, the um, I guess the genesis of the project was um Professor Clancy, he had the you know, he had the idea that it would be wonderful to bring together the perspectives of some the various professionals from um you know across the professions in particular and their views and their perspectives on what had happened during COVID.

And so I guess along the way we'd mess or come into contact with I had and then Professor Clancy had independently as well.

You know, economists and um and a whole variety of scientists and doctors who were also saying the same thing, and we just thought it might be a wonderful way of just bringing together all of those varied perspectives, uh, as well as those, of course, from the vaccine injured.

You did assemble really, I think a very impressive group of authors, and I noticed you let them, in a sense, tell the story from their eyes.

And um, how much of a challenge was that to get so many contributors?

Yeah, it it was a bit of a chance, it was a challenge.

I mean, I've never written a book before.

Professor Clancy uh has some experience and he knew uh of a good publisher.

So that really helped having the support of a of a publisher and an editor.

Um it was, I guess the challenge was trying to bring together to allow everyone to have the complete, I guess, freedom to write precisely as they saw it, um, but then to try to maintain some consistency with with what um, you know, I guess just the the way that it was written, if that makes sense.

Um, and then of course to bring in both professional perspectives as well as the perspectives of people who had the very personal experience of either uh vaccine injuries or you know, job losses three mandates.

So it was a challenge, but I think what worth the challenge to see it all put together in the end.

I think it definitely was.

You know, I read it cover to cover.

I think everybody should pick up a copy of COVID through our eyes.

Uh it's very readable, and I think one of the unique aspects about it is uh you have contributors from medicine, from the scientific media, from law, as well as patients.

And and whose idea was it to include the patient's voice in all of this.

You know, I guess that was my uh contribution to it.

Um uh Professor Clancy being such a senior academic, you know, one of the the foremost, really the original and leading immunologists in the country.

Um he had so many of those more academic contacts where of course so much of what I've been doing for the past few years has been um in the midst of it with uh just literally hundreds of patients who've had severe injuries from vaccines.

So I just thought it was so important that their perspectives were included in any kind of analysis of what's happened during COVID, particularly because it's um, you know, it's sometimes overlooked.

We've just sort of moved on, and that there are these people whose lives are just still been completely altered, and um they're continuing to suffer from the things that's that happened to them after the vaccination.

So I just thought it was so important that that was and also given that um in a way I felt it might give their stories and their perspectives um a credibility, like to hear their perspectives after having a reader having just read the sort of unequivocal scientific and medical consensus as to the safety risks and all of the issues that had that had occurred.

Um, when that hasn't been the perspective of a lot of these people, they have been kind of gaslit and dismissed, and um the suggestions made that they're they what's happened to them wasn't actually from the vaccine, or that there's no scientific validity to that.

And so I thought having those stories in the context of this would would help give the validity to it that it um that it has.

Do you know in conditions now where there's regulatory agreement that the vaccines cause the side effect like myocarditis, I still routinely see patients who go to major medical centers.

And they clearly have vaccine myocarditis.

And they're told by doctors there that the vaccine isn't the cause.

Yeah, it's uh it's bizarre.

As you say, even when these there's been unequivocal acceptance, similar in Australia, there's a number of clotting, autoimmune, neurological, and cardiac conditions that are absolutely accepted as being caused by the vaccine.

And yet, precisely as you say, patients will go into hospitals, see specialists and be told simply told, well, the vaccine doesn't do that.

It's bizarre.

Yeah, it's almost as if um it's almost if the medical orthodoxy, you know, it feels as if they need to take a no-hole sparred approach to defending the vaccine.

Believe it or not, I've even seen this with defending COVID, defending the infection.

So I've had you know an unvaccinated patient, for instance, go to the Mayo Clinic with a huge blood clot in his leg.

He didn't take the vaccines.

And they tell him, no, it's not due to COVID.

And he said it happened like two weeks after I took the shot.

Yeah, wow.

And so it's almost as if the medical orthodoxy or the establishment thinks, you know, listen, if there's a linkage to COVID and COVID, you know, shares the commonality of the spike protein with the vaccine, the genetic vaccines as well as the antigen-based vaccines, that the linkage will happen.

So there's a complete um dismissal of COVID and the vaccine for any medical problems.

And you know, during the pandemic, my son graduated from medical school.

And uh, you know, he so his class was very much caught up in the lockdowns and all this.

At the at his graduation ceremony, there's lots of speakers.

No one mentioned COVID pandemic, no one mentioned the vaccines.

Wow.

As if it never is as if the medical community wants to whitewash this.

So I have to ask you through the course of the pandemic, have you seen important information that's been censored right off the internet, or you can't access it related to COVID?

Yeah, quite a lot.

Um, quite a lot, because part of what I've been doing on the past few years is um working together with some barristers on the class action that we filed.

And it's been interesting.

At times we've sort of gone back and um checked checked various aspects or particulars within the claim, and you go to the links, and the links are just gone.

Like from official government websites, completely gone.

So then it's quite tedious because then we need to go to you know, the Internet Archive or Wayback Machine and then put new links in there.

So it's it's an enormous amount, actually, that seems to just be kind of disappearing from the internet.

Thankfully, not forever, and we've got copies of a lot of it.

But um, yeah.

Well, the reason why I bring this up is um this is I think one of the most important reasons why people should buy books, hard copy or paperback books, physical books.

Because these can't be scrubbed, they can't be taken out of your hands.

Hang on to it tightly.

Uh they can't be censored.

Uh it's very important now.

And and when we do big public events, we have books at all of them.

We tell people, listen, it's just we can't trust the internet now because of this incredible bias that's infiltrated.

It's even infiltrated artificial intelligence.

Have you noticed that?

I have.

So you just ask artificial intelligence.

Um, you know, uh what are the um what are the side effects uh from the COVID-19 vaccines that affect the heart?

And the first thing you'll get is the COVID vaccines are safe and effective.

So I didn't ask that.

I'm just asking about the side effects.

So artificial intelligence, you can tell now essentially has been poisoned, almost all the AI platforms um outside of a few.

So at McCullough Foundation, we just uh announced a strategic uh partnership with Alter AI, A L T E R space AI that uh is fairly representing information.

And they're asked, they're answering the questions that we're asking, as opposed to just putting in a bunch of um you know a bunch of additional information.

Correct.

Now to your book, uh, which I think is fantastic.

I counted up 24 contributors, five of whom are vaccine injured, and there are 19 uh chapters that you work your way through about what the book is about, uh, this whole uh pharmaceutical industry and and and why skepticism has um you know has has now I think fully evolved uh regarding the pharmaceutical industry, uh you know, why scientists should be concerned and one of the uh journalists uh that we follow in the United States um that I noticed she contributed chapter seven is Marianne Demasi.

Have you had a chance to meet with her or and work with her?

Yeah, I have um I have met Marianne.

She's um, yeah, she's wonderful, so intelligent and just can clearly state things how they are.

And I thought her contribution was excellent.

There was a lot there that I hadn't realized in terms of exactly how the sort of media coordination uh was happening behind the scenes.

And I thought that was a really interesting um perspective as to a lot of the public messaging and I mean I would call it propaganda that we were seeing, like exactly how that kind of came about.

So I thought that that chapter was a great contribution.

And you know, I think what's come out of it is uh uh people like her have risen to prominence.

They actually have a following.

So independent Australian journalists uh have a following in certain media outlets.

In the United States, we've had some go independent, you know.

Importantly, Tucker Carlson has gone completely independent and uh uh and several others now have really risen to prominence.

Joe Rogan is one, for instance, a podcaster now.

Um his median age of someone that listens to the Joe Rogan podcast is 24.

And so you know I'm far outside of that age range.

Um now I understand.

Um now I understand.

In fact, I have to tell you, my neighbor who's fully vaccinated, he probably tells me with every additional shot he takes.

I think he's taken seven shots.

Um he's got this huge TV screen.

And we live in little small houses, so I can easily look over and see what he has on TV.

And I told my wife last night, I said he has Joe Rogan podcast on.

So this is awesome.

I hope Joe takes up the um takes up the vaccines.

Now your book really gets into and um uh Philip Altman, who I believe is a a barrister and someone who I had a chance to meet, really take up these these legal aspects of of the pandemic and not only violation of civil rights, but but you know, bigger issues like fraudulent concealment and and harm that's happened to the population.

Are you satisfied with the with the legal points made in the book?

Um yeah, well, Philip Altman actually, he's a regulatory um he's a regulatory expert.

So I guess there's some crossover being that a lot of what's happened uh from a regulatory perspective is governed by you know statute in Australia as sure as it is in the US.

Um it was a little difficult to get too many uh, you know, lawyers or barristers able to contribute chapters because anyone who's currently involved in any ongoing class actions, there's sort of some restrictions around what they can sort of say publicly or what they can contribute.

Um so we had Alex um contributing a legal perspective, and and there are a number of discussions there from in other chapters on summarizing some of the legal uh challenges that have at least been attempted.

And so I thought that was um, yeah, I thought those that that was really good contribution.

Um of course we haven't had any really positive satisfactory legal outcomes here in the U in the in Australia as yet.

Um the class action that I'm involved with, that's still ongoing.

And there have been some little victories along the way, but um it's there's not been the success legally that you would just I don't know, instinctively think as someone from a non-law-based background, you would think, well, just looking at it, there's a clear you know, violation of human rights, and there appears to be infringement on you know the the statutory rights, we don't have a human rights act in Australia, but at least things that were categorically against the um the various acts, and yet it's almost like, as you said before, it's like everyone just wants to forget it and move on.

Um it's it's interesting.

It certainly is disturbing, uh I would say.

And what's your update from the Australian inquiry?

We've been following that carefully in the United States.

Um Senate inquiry, or we haven't yet had a formal sort of Royal Commission.

There's been calls for that, but that's not yet.

uh occurred there's there's been a number of there's been a number of sort of smaller scale inquiries so there was an inquiry from the um commissioner for human rights and and that was that certainly they found some uh uh really adverse findings there was I guess a you know categorical finding that the lockdowns particularly in Melbourne were unjustified that they infringed upon human rights things like that so there have been some uh I guess at least some strong findings of some of those inquiries that we have had but unfortunately there have been calls for a royal commission in Australia and uh um no moves towards that from our government as yet oh so we're still waiting I remember that one term when I was uh visiting you uh vaccine uh associated immunodeficiency syndrome was accepted into this Senate uh inquiry but but the inquiry itself has not really started yet yeah well there've been a couple of those smaller scale in inquiries they've been essentially where uh a sitting senator has requested an inquiry into a specific aspect so there was one that was requested into excess deaths for example and then there's an opportunity throughout that inquiry for evidence to be submitted and um the excess deaths one you know there was some considerable evidence submitted but unfortunately what we've seen is that um the evidence a lot of the evidence was ref there was a refusal to publish it so for example on the excess death one um I was invited so I was um emailed by the committee and invited to write a submission to that inquiry um because I'd written submissions to previous inquiries etc and then and then I wrote that and they came back and said oh we accept it as communication but we refused to publish it which seems really and I will certainly wasn't the only one I think there were dozens or maybe even hundreds of people because at the point that that inquiry occurred there are a lot of people who were uh I guess a lot more vocal about wanting to share their stories of family members who passed away after vaccination in very in very close proximity and concerns that they had about the excess death figures which in Australia is kind of over 4000 excess deaths over the time period um and yet they just completely refused to to publish it and I wrote back to them and said you know I I think this this is really wrong you know you've asked for an opinion I'm a medical doctor I've provided what I think is a thorough um you know uh thorough piece of information that I should think should be included and yeah raised vaccine associated enhanced disease as a potential driver for excess deaths and and that's not controversial that's uh their bright and collaboration when they publish the guidance on vaccine associated enhanced disease part of their clinical guideline is in fact uh that uh communities should be monitoring for excess deaths as a way of uh as an indicator as to whether vaccine associated enhanced disease is occurring um yeah and they just said no sorry we will accept it as private internal communication which just seems to defeat the purpose of of holding a of a public inquiry if if they're actually not going to accept evidence from the public.

That's so true.

Well we hope your book really is made a big splash and an influence you know influencing not only physicians and regulators regulators legal community public health community and the public at large in Australia but I think it's you know I think it's making an impact all around the world expertly written we've been uh we've been talking about COVID through our eyes Dr.

McCann is one of the editors with Dr.

Robert Clancy by the way Clancy was nominated for the Nobel Prize for the common immune system I know because I'm a nominator for the Nobel Prize.

So he didn't get it this year but many times it'll take uh several considerations uh before someone is as truly decorated with that award and he he certainly deserves it.

Can we close because I know you have to get to practice uh but can we close with uh your kind of brief survey of where we are now in Australia with respect to COVID cases vaccine uptake uh social restrictions and and and just where we are in the country right now oh in a way it feels like we're at this um kind of interesting crossroads where um COVID's not I would say across the community but not seen as the serious threat that it was back in 2020 and then occasionally there seems to be um attempts to re-enliven that that that threat you know encouragement to get a booster for example from the government and when I read the comments on social media and the responses to those to what types of you know calls to have the booster vaccine for example it seems that there is just this overwhelming skepticism from the community now I think there's a real distrust in that sort of public messaging there's a real distrust in government and I think this this real attitude of um you know it's the the whole thing was a scam and we're not buying it again.

That just seems to be the message that is coming through from the public and um you know maybe that's an accurate summation of of what we've all just endured.

I I think it is and uh Dr.

McCam we're gonna have to leave it here but thank you so much for working with Dr.

Clancy and the other two dozen contributors to the this important book COVID you know through our eyes and uh thank you so much for your bravery and your contribution to the uh you know helping all of us through the pandemic I think you were an absolute leader.

You were so meticulous in how you dealt with the regulatory authorities, how you documented things and I'll never forget when you got up on stage and you took a big breath and you got in front of thousands of people in Australia and you wondered what was going to happen next and I I I have a real sense for uh your deep and powerful courage your great stage presence and just your wonderful eminence as a person.

So thank you so much for joining us.

Oh thank you so much Dr.

McCullough and it's um it was an absolute privilege to share the stage with you and um yes thank you for everything you do.

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