Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are you a Charlotte?

So you guys, everybody, welcome back to Are You a Charlotte?

We still have the amazing Brian van Holp.

What worked so incredibly well for the part of Wiley is that you knew the character that you were playing, but you weren't that.

So there's a sweetness underneath where you totally understand why Charlotte is so excited and so into you, right.

And then this kind of goes in a horrible direction, and.

Thank god she got up because I was like, I don't remember what happens now because I blocked this whole part out right, and thank god I get.

Up and very politely leave.

Thank god.

Right.

But to me, that's a great combination of when you know the milu that you're playing like the life the people, what they're like, but you're not actually that.

Of course, Well, thank you, I certainly hope not.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was good.

All right, let's recap a little.

So let's say again, Alison Andrews directed such a joy to work with.

Her, absolutely, that was that was what a gift.

Phenomenal director and to prive me to have her on this.

She was so nice and so kind and so such a great uh director in allowing me to just do you know what I do, and also made me feel comfortable because again I was pretty you know well, I was really nervous and I was really excited.

Sweet, so sweet, like so positive.

I never had a director just be like good baby.

Good right, yes, very nurturing.

Yeah, yeah exactly.

He's like, okay, right, just do it again, like so easy.

I love her, love it so much, me too.

And then Darren Star wrote this, which I didn't realize at this point that he's still actively writing.

I thought he was kind of a little bit moving on to his next show.

But no, he's still around.

He's writing, which is cool because I love this episode.

Wrote that I bet he did.

Just let's not even think about that anymore.

Are we going to avoid that?

So keep going?

What else can I say when we I have the whole show on my list.

It's a lot, but I know we're going to talk about the import parts.

So one of the things that I love when I'm rewatching, you have so many feelings watching I mean I do as an actor, but also just as a viewer, like it lets me be objective as a viewer.

So when this.

Episode starts and it has those beautiful shots of New York in the.

Spring, it was that the whole opening that's felt the same way when I saw that when I rewatched it, the whole opening of the episode.

It's a thing.

Springtime in New York is so special and there's so beautiful for some of the shots that she was using, But it's it's that vibe.

It's that feeling, and I know you know what I'm talking about.

Yeah, it's the town just goes from such a positive energy and vibe.

It's magic, so magical.

Maybe captured it so right at the top of the show, you're just flooded with feelings.

I love that.

So impressed us, you know, in respect, it's amazing.

So we hear Carrie.

She's giving us some.

Froieover and she's talking about how she wants to tell Big that she loves him.

This is what her theme of the episode.

Each you know, each of us are.

We're now getting to wear the kind of themes are playing into each character really really well, weaving them together, which I thought was great, And she wants to tell them and you know, this is one of those times where I really have been having this love hate thing with Big when I'm looking back on it, right, which I never had at the time.

I never thought twice about how I felt about the Big character while we were on it.

Of course, I love the Big character.

You personally, Yeah, I mean personally, I never thought about it.

You're playing your character, you know, you're not really thinking about it effectively, at least I'm not that kind of actor.

But when I look back on it, and also, everyone has so much to say in social media about that, which I get.

I totally get, and sometimes I just hate him, passionately hate him like that.

Withholding Guy, it was such a thing we all went through and we just thought it was.

Normal and whatever.

It's still happening obviously, but like, at least there's conversation around it in deeper understanding.

I think of like that you need to ask for more and or walk away, you know what I'm saying, like simp I know.

I know from I'm not that guy.

I'm that guy yet Yeah to your party, to the fault, but yeah, I hear you, no fault, no fault, no fault.

But this is one of the times when Big is actually adorable.

Thank god, that's that's the same thing I saw that Chris not and that I actually was for I hung out with him a bunch of times back in the day.

But if there's a moment where I'm seeing him be vulnerable, yes, ever, yes, and in that episode he.

Really is, you know what I mean, moment moments, not the whole time, a moment, you know, even when his look on his face when she touched definitely, you know.

What I mean, Yeah, because you know he hates.

That hates he went from him, he went to back to being a ten year old kid.

Definitely.

It was adorable.

It was adorable, adorable.

And this really funny just for the girl he's listening.

This is when Big gets Carrie the supposedly semi ugly Judith liber which this was so funny that the thing that's funny about it is that to me, now obviously there's the animal Judith liber then there's like the classic Judith Lieber.

Like Judith liber was such a part of our whole lives that at one point HBO gave us Judith Libers as a rap gift, but they weren't acting.

Yeah, I know, it's adorable, it's adorable, but it's funny because and also in the movie it ends up being a huge point because my little fake child puts Carrie's phone in her cupcake.

Judith liber that I have bought her like a four thousand dollars purse to go to the wedding.

She is insane but very Charlotte, and that's why Carrie doesn't get Biggs calls when he's not going to come.

To the wedding and Judith Leber.

So Judith Lieber is a huge through line for a show.

But it's funny because Carrie is so upset about not liking It's.

A swan, right, is it a swan?

Is that what it says?

You can't really even tell what the heck it is.

It's an animal, yeah, it looks like it.

And then they go to this party where all the women have different animal and it's on Park Avenue, and Carrie hates Park Avenue, which is interesting, right, because Charlotte ends up living on Park Avenue.

I was like, oh my gosh, But obviously this was kind of like a different group.

It was like Bigs friends and not her friends.

And then she gets together with or it doesn't get together with whatever something does something with this young waiter guy who's a performance artist but also produces the flower out of his hand, which would imply that he's a magician.

So I was a little confused.

Clown, but he's adorable, so who cares, right, Jeremiah and I have to say out of order here.

It is one of my all time favorite Sarah Jessica moments when she is walking down the street with that guy singing.

Jeremiah was a bu from She is so great and she's drunk, but she's not stereotypical drum she's singing and then she goes.

Up the wrong I don't know, it's so I sat the same thing when I saw that.

Scene, and she and that guy whoever his name, is an incredible.

I didn't even get to meet him or work with him at all.

I don't think a few times it was sweet guy too.

Oh, he seems like a sweet guy and she had great chemistry with him.

He's very handsome, Duey and Louise, And it's interesting because at that point, so bigg has started out being adorable and then we go to this party and he's super not adorable because he's like with these uptight people, right.

And that lady who's having.

The party is like bitchy to carry and he seems to not care, which is not cool, right, And I'm like, yes, leave with the cute guy, waiter.

Leave with the cute guy, waiter carry.

I support that, And it's interesting because I also think when we're looking back, because there's been this whole thing where people talk about Kerry being narcissistic, which I think is very misplaced criticism.

I think she's a very complex character that we've had for thirty years and you're hearing her internal right voiceover, of course she seems narcissistic.

In all ways.

Yeah, you know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah, right, I do.

And why can't a woman be complicated and complex and never do the not never do the right thing?

Sometimes do not do the right thing?

You know what I mean?

Of course?

Yeah, I mean we are all complicated.

Women are complicated.

Absolute men are complicated, right, Like men can.

Be serial killers and still be the lead of a show and much beloved.

Right, you know what I mean, You've played one, yes, exactly, exactly.

Yeah, it's a very common thing and everybody's like, that's the hot actor, the one who plays a serial cat killers.

You know it's weird, right if you think about.

It, it is.

You know, we all have our quirks and wrinkles.

Of course, and what kind of interesting character wouldn't exactly right?

So then okay, let's keep going.

So I agree with you.

That's thank you so much, Brian, And right, I mean it's unfair.

I think it was unfair at the time that there was kind of a general kind of a sexist conversation about these four women talking about sex List.

I mean, obviously we still succeeded, but to us, we just heard the criticism of like.

Fascinating, it was interesting to see what you know it did.

And I'll say mostly men obviously would get intimidated or upset about the show.

And I have four sisters, so I know what it's like awesome and I go and I'm like, what are you yeah, just quip being so weak.

And I was really surprised by a lot of the the opposite sex reaction to your show.

I'm glad you remember it, because some people don't even remember it and look at me funny when I talk about it.

I'm like no, I'm like, no, they were upset.

It was a change.

It was a big some dudes would say they, you know, did ruin my dating life?

Man, I was like, you ruined your dating life, dude, don't project your issues.

Good for you, beautiful women.

Thank you, excellent job.

Okay, then we have a really adorable storyline with Miranda and Steve.

I had not remembered this either.

It's so incredibly good.

Good is that moment?

Oh my god, Iigenberg is just so great.

She's so so good.

In the door scene he breaks up.

I wanted to cry right there.

She's so good.

She's just so good overall, obviously.

So incredible moment, and he's so good.

So bray together, right, I mean they're both incredible.

So basically Miranda, who's trying to climb the ladder at her law firm.

She wants to be made partner.

This has been true since the show started, right the whole through line for her, and she's getting this bartender.

We have a very funny and interesting conversation about money and dating that's in this episode.

Right, Yeah, the most memorable scene of the show.

The unions are getting pedicure.

Sorry, yes, okay, you're good.

The pedicure scene, go ahead.

It's a good scene, right, amazing, Yes, and like.

By the way out there, like like with the truth.

You know.

So basically we're talking about dating and money, which I think is still such a big, big topic.

Right.

Did you watch White Lotus?

Of course, you know that beautiful girl who's dating the guy who we think killed Jennifer Coolidge but he didn't or what he says he didn't.

Whatever, Ja, thank.

You so much.

He's so good and you know he's got the boat and the money and everything that he has.

No, oh my god, Mike, you're just not right for it.

You are not right for that.

Part, Jonathan, I really wanted.

You're connected to everything?

Right if I'm old, No you're not.

I'm old too, babe.

Connect Being connected is great.

Yeah.

I love Mike, what a great love him?

Do you remember when so they so there are all those beautiful girls on the boat, and is it Parker's like, why are these beautiful women with these ugly men.

Man with the money?

You know?

It's so interesting, right, like because it's still it's still an important conversation about hundred percent right.

But yet somehow it's expected that the rich men who are older are going to have the beautiful young girlfriend slash want to be wife and that that's cool, but it's not okay to have a rich woman who is dating a bartender, because that's somehow not okay.

And so the end of the storyline in this particular episode, as we know, it's not the end of Miranda and Steve, but the end is that, you know, basically, Steve says, I feel uncomfortable.

She tries to buy him in an aeen hundred dollars suit to go to this very you know, sheishi law firm party.

He won't let her buy it.

He's uncomfortable.

I totally get that.

I feel that it's an uncomfortable thing in a relationship, you know that someone is.

I've been there, me too, I get it.

Indifferent, I get it.

I've been exactly a nice sort of similar position.

So I totally understand me too.

Dynamic, and but go ahead, because there's a trillion.

Well because when he comes and says to her, he comes on the evening that they're supposed to go to the party, and she's ready and waiting and he comes in.

He's wearing jeans and T shirt and she says, why are you dressed like that?

And he says, I can't go.

I took the soup back.

I couldn't afford it, and she's like, oh, and then he goes, you're an amazing lady, I believe, he says, And she goes, are you breaking up with me because I'm successful?

Basically, and he says, no, I don't mean it like that, and she's so emotionally present and moved and upset and like devastated really because it's true.

It's like what her line was, I'm being punished for being successful.

Yeah, well, and that's that's pretty profound.

And there's a lot of truth to that, obviously, and it's still to this day.

You still exists to this day, I can't can't fix that.

We're going backwards in a lot of certain areas too, I think in our culture.

But it's it is, it is still, it's interesting.

It's a real thing.

Even this we know, this ship, we this this time of rife was like twenty five almost thirty years ago.

Yeah, and it's still completely true, exactly.

We have unbelievable unbelievable right.

But I love the writing, and I obviously love the acting, and they're so good together and you so want them to work.

But you can also understand, you can totally understand her viewpoint of like, why can't you just.

Be okay with this?

Yeah, just let me buy you a suit?

Who cares?

Right, But as a guy, I think the way men are conditioned, it's not okay.

He hasn't lied too, it was I get it.

It's but it's also came off.

It's like also pathetic and we get there.

But he's like, you know, I don't feel good about myself when I'm around you, right, that's who saunds.

I'm like, well, that's not that's your issue.

It's not her.

I guess, true, you.

Know, true.

And obviously he I can't remember the details of how they come back together.

I can't wait to see.

But he's also valid to have those feelings.

It's a very complicated, you know, yes, dynamic and humans are calm implicated for sure, for surely understand what both those.

Me too, and I think society you know, does a number on people, you know, and like this whole the idea when when Charlotte says to the girls, you know, you all are pretending that we live in a classless society because they're just talking about money and they're not talking about class.

And I say, you know, you can't think about being with a guy whose income is based on tips, which is like so practical and weird, Like I would never say that in life.

Who never occur to me in life, you know what I'm saying.

But Charlotte's going to be practical, and she's obviously got her endgame in mind, and she thinks other people too or should have the same endgame whatever.

But it is true I think still today that the class situation in America is complex and not worked out.

You know, it's hard it it's hard to date outside your class or right.

And also I say, I say, yeah, you're you're ignoring because they're just talking about the money in Morano.

Samantha's like, it's totally that's not true.

You know, she'd be able to be successful indeed whoever they want, where they have the money, you're ant, And of course I agree with her.

But then Charlotte says, but you all are forgetting class.

You're pretending that class doesn't exist.

And that's a really true point, I think, and I think part of what's happening in America currently culturally is based in the fact that we have a society that's based on like achievement and class based on achievement, which is not great.

You know, it's a great way to be.

No, you know, I know.

And that's the other thing you got to really respect when I look back at these episodes, like we go to some places like bam, you know what I'm saying, Like, oh, I said, we're in deep like we're getting a pedicure, and I'm like, well, you're all.

Thinking that you don't live in a classless society.

And Charlotte is supposed to be like that, you know, kind of naive one or whatever, but here she is with the two.

No.

No, that's that's a through line throughout your the whole show and every you know, every season and all the episodes.

It's it's a very smart and the writing and obviously the acting, but variant what's the word I'm trying to look for, you know, socially relevant with with you know, our current culture.

Yes, at that time, yes, and like kudos to our writers.

Yeah, and you were you were you were definitely like going there.

I know I was going.

There was a lot of boundaries to which which is great.

It's true.

So wait, this is when you come in.

I just want to mention how cute that art art scene is when you want to buy.

This, it's hysterical.

It's so good the writing and that in that moment is and it's I collect art to one of my best friends is a big art consultant.

I'll say, my I have a lot of experience in that world, but I do some of the ridiculousness of what.

Right, like, isn't there a banana piol on a wall?

Isn't that is that in the those commercials with Chris?

Yeah?

Right, it's real, right, So, but yeah, I mean some of the some of the art that it's it's it's funny.

So you're not wrong to think that that fire extinguisher in the wall might be the art and that's the one you're.

Gonna buy in Charlotte wasn't wrong either.

I take it.

Someone's going to think.

Exactly you should take it's.

You take it out and sitting in the middle table and that's that's.

You know, totally totally, or just put a frame around it.

Put a frame around it.

You know, it becomes art if you just put a frame around it totally.

And but you're so funny and you keep your cool, which I think is so amazing, Like you're so naturally just cool and calm and collected, and I'm so like, goofball, you know, goofball Charlotte, which I really enjoyed watching, you know what I mean, Like it really it took me back to the nineties.

So much, right to me too.

Yeah, yeah, I love it.

I love it, and you're so good.

Then all of a sudden we're in the car making out.

I mean, man, it was like smash cut.

I mean, wow, I know we Yeah.

I forgot about it too until I watched the episode again and smash cut to the limous scene and it was you know.

That's what you did back then, right, I was like, whoa, yeah, just jump on in there.

No intimacy, no discussion, an intimacy coordinator.

Yeah, no, we just go.

Yeah, we didn't have that back in this.

But it was fun.

It was good.

You made me feel very because it's awkward, this.

Is yeah, I mean, it's strange.

Yeah, and it is.

It is a weird thing, but you're so cool.

You made it very you know, you know, very comfortable and you know, and enjoyable.

And yes, yes, yes, I enjoyed it.

There was to be honest, there was a crush for sure.

I was.

I was definitely a fan.

Sweet, I am a a I'm a Charlotte for sure.

I have a tie.

You know my history a little.

I'm gonna I have a type.

Yes, you see my wife, my wife.

Oh, I can't wait, I can't wait.

I'm so excited.

I'm so happy for you.

But I definitely had a crush back and thank god if you hadn't been dating Mani Pede, I don't know what I would have done.

I would have lost my cool in every which way, do you know what I mean?

Right?

But I had to keep even near a professionalism on top of it.

Well, we tried me too.

But it was funny, made it very comfortable in and awkward, which mostly most of the times those scenes can be incredibly awkward, weird, and but it was, it was it was a chemist change.

It was great.

It was great.

It was great.

It's great, which is why I think that's really the only part of the episode I remembered.

No, there's that crazy bar scene.

So this is also when we.

Get to Samantha's kind of bonkers storyline, which I also didn't remember, where she's doing this very wealthy man who has a servant.

Oh my god, this servant's funny too.

What's her character's name.

It's some some are just scary, funny funny.

But it's scary, Okay, it's scary.

So basically, the gist of that storyline is that this man is like, oh, something's going to take such good care of you.

And the second he's gone, she's like, get out of the bed or get one way.

He's like, you slut you are You're like, oh my god, and I it was so real, seeming so real.

The actress was so good.

I don't know her name, but anyways.

She was Gina, you know, you did a great job.

And it's very terrifying.

And Samantha, of course is very scary.

But there's also this whole facade where she's acting one way to her boss and the other way to the woman with her cross.

And then the very end, when I think you try, oh, he's in the shower and I guess the lady who works at the house, I hate to say the word servant comes in.

It's just like, get off the sheets, I have to wash them.

But she finds a condom wrapper.

Is that yes the time?

Yeah, it must be.

I feel like there's a couple of scenes with her where she's mean to Samantha and then the guy comes out, and then the lady pretends that Samantha devastating I mean awkward and awful, but I mean, you know, these kind of things happen, and it's kind of scary, you know what I mean.

I can imagine, you know, I haven't had too much experience with the.

Servant I haven't either, not the servant life, but but like complications with people.

Like I had this guy who was doing like, uh, what do you call it?

Like putting in my video audio video?

What do you call it?

It's like a word, ye, yes, av audiovisual tech.

And because I'm a I'm a I'm a woman, single woman who owns my house and pays for everything right, and I also have I think at the time I had an assistant that I had him, so he'd been dealing with the assistant.

But one day I came in.

He was still there, and he had his people were there, like installing wiring or something, and he didn't know who I was.

And I was wearing my regular very unimpressive clothes, and he just turned to me and.

Started talking to me like it's such a mean way.

And I was like, what's going on?

You know what I mean?

And I could see the guy behind him who worked for him knew who I was, right, but he did not know who I was, and he thought that I might have been the assistant or a different assistant maybe, and he was like just mean is anything?

And I was like, oh my god, what do I do?

What I do?

So I was like, uh, should I go and come back?

And then he was like, why the billing?

And I was like, well, I'm the billing.

I'm I'm the billing.

And then you could just see his face just like, oh no, I thought this was a different person.

And then he changed back to the person that I had previously seen, which was super polite but awful.

I don't understand that.

I know it's awful.

And you could see the guy behind him who worked for him was dying a million deaths, do you know what I mean?

But couldn't say.

I couldn't get in front of them, like, don't do it.

I just hate that.

I don't want that to be true.

But in reality, there's things in reality that we don't want that are true.

You know, Like somebody I agree with you.

It's horrible and it makes me so uncomfortable when in those moments like, for example, you probably had this experience too, when you're out to dinner with a friend or whoever, and it just some people treat waiters with little or no respect.

It's upsetting.

Exactly.

I mean, I was the worst waiter to it was briefly I got fired.

Yeah, I brought out the this is when I went to U c.

L A.

I graduated right on the corner by the way where we're my old stomping grounds.

I didn't.

I didn't.

The faeatas weren't sizzling enough.

Any guy goes take them back and I'm like, they're not enough.

You eat them anyway.

I was terrible.

But anyway, it's a hard job and very hard and it's like they worked their asses off.

Yeah, and its just it troubles me when when.

Oh it's rough man, it's someone's no, no me neither.

If you're not nice to the waiter, it's it's a very very bad look, really uncomfortable.

I agree, really bad look.

And I don't think the same about you as they did previously to that basically, just for anyone, I was curious Okay.

Then we're back at this Park Avenue party with Carrie, and then she runs into Jeremayah who's so adorable with the flower, which is mysterious, as we said, and then we go to the poor Samantha Miranda.

I mean, there's really a lot of sadness when you look at this episode, which is interesting because it starts with just that love of the springs.

Right, I didn't even think about it.

Yeah, but now that I'm looking at that's the other thing when you reflect back, like how much we could pack into twenty two minutes.

A lot, so much, a lot, right.

I didn't realize how much you guys did until I watched it again, right, and it's talking to you right now, realizing you know, you're going over the episode, just a lot of information to cover with it.

It is a lot, and it's highs and lows.

And it works so somehow it connects and it's smooth and it's for the most part seamless.

Yeah, with the.

Editing and everything, it's amazing.

We have the same editor on it, just like that, and he's an amazing guy.

Michael Barrem.

Mom, thank you very much.

So then here I here, I am you at the I get up to be a waitress at this dinner that we're at, which is also I'm just like, oh my god, Charlotte, sit down.

But it is very Charlotte to be like, okay, everyone's I know, Oh my god.

And then I'm not going to repeat your line.

They wrote it down here like I would you funny people, I'm not going to repeat this line, but thank god, you push me too far.

Your wily character pushes me too far.

You're not going to repeat the line.

I'm not, are you?

You can't when you said that this would come back to you, how did so?

This's just for the for your audience.

I won't say that.

Oh yeah, you're right.

The audience needs to know.

No, No, I would I would?

You know?

My character got to you know again one of the I've been so blessed in my career to have delivered something insane one liner, you know, you know.

I told Kyle Score, I asked him if he likes he likes my nice, hard ass, over and over again.

Oh my god, I.

Won't go over all.

There's some there's monumental moments, but this was the Hall of Fame line, the moment of my entire career, and I still hear from it.

I still get recognized from it to this day, and not really recognized because now I'm, you know, one hundred years old, and it's just like a baby.

And that thing my voice is, I don't think my balls dropped chet because my voice is I don't know what.

I didn't know.

I was pretty nervous.

That is cute.

But and then but I'm like, oh my god, how am I going to do this?

But I just channeled my you know, my inner douchebag, and I got to deliver the line of like, you know, Charlene.

First of all, I would there's some of that guy who wouldn't even you know, have enough respect to call you by your right Charlie is not a bad name either.

Mind.

It's like, Charlie, I want you to go to the bathroom, stick your finger in your who had come back, and let me smell it.

I'm like, oh my god.

And the fact that we were able to do that, I'm like, there's no way they're going to let me do this.

I'm so sorry, so stressed, like I'm sure I did at the time.

It's so interesting.

Go ahead, But first of all, I'm like there's no way after reading this, they're gonna let me do this.

Oh you didn't realize I read it?

You know.

You know how many times I've read a script that was and then it's changed because of the ist.

You know, I forgot about it.

Yes, we didn't have that.

No, I didn't have that.

We reveled, especially in johnthan Cincinnati, definitely didn't have that.

That's another.

But I couldn't believe I was going to be able to say this and get away with it, and I did.

You did, And you know what I like about it?

You deliver it.

First of all, you start out like the way you start out, you know.

Charlotte is because I have just brought the drinks for the table, right and you and you could see your little mind turning like what could I do to her?

Now?

You know, You're just like what could I come up with now?

And You're like, this is what I want you to do it?

And I'm like, uh huh, you know.

Like that's so funny.

You said I think I created as an actor, like how am I going to get to this place?

Right?

But you did a great job story.

It was like I just dared.

What if someone dared me?

Or I just whatever, of course, because you do talk to that guy right next to you.

Yeah, yeah, you do talk that guy the way that you deliver it to me at the time.

You do not see what's coming at all, do you know what I mean?

Like, that's what I love the most about it, right, Like, and you're very charming, right You're like, this is what I want you to do, and I'm as Charlotte, I'm like yes, uh huh, yes, And then.

You're like, I want you to get up, I want you to go back.

I'm like, uh huh, and I'm still halfway.

I'm so like, well, this is interesting, you know what I mean.

And then you just deliver it super super basic, you know what I mean.

And I think that was the joy of your choice there, because you don't deliver it like it is like a crazy, crazy thing to say.

You that's fun I mean, it's it was funny being on the other side of that.

Look.

I was looking at you your response when I was in real time.

I remember saying and going, oh my god, that I don't think you were acting your neck this goa and you can see I could do I could tell I was so you could tell when you look at it again.

I was.

I was.

It was awkward for me to even say those lines, for sure, but had actually say that, you could seem like there's like these little weird quirks that you notice.

It's true, that's true, but oh my god.

But I think it's so great because of the way that it was already set up, right that, like, you know, I'm the only one not smoking pot.

Where'm like, no, no, I don't smoke pot, you know, and you.

Blow it in my mouth, right, and then I get up and get everyone Like it's already so created that I'm the eyeball out right.

But Charlotte's still doing her best to hang in there because that's who.

She is, right, She's like, I'm going to be okay with this.

I'm going to just sit here and be okay with it, I mean, and then all of a sudden, it just one step too far, and thank God, because there is.

A moment of pause there where I'm like, please God.

I didn't remember you're contemplating maybe doing it or right, I'm.

Contemplating, like I think I'm contemplating how to politely get out, because Charlotte always wants to be polite, right, But also, you have pushed me too far, and I'm definitely not going to do that.

And I think at that point I might be remembering that Carrie said leave right now when I first call her from the car, right, which was the good advice.

Right.

She knew she did way better than missus Charlotte.

She kind of knew exactly where this was going, It's true.

And then let's get to the end.

So Carrie tells Big she loves him in the beginning, and then she feels really uncomfortable because he doesn't say it back.

Of course, of course he doesn't like you know, he's not easy like that.

Right, And then she's all stressed about the handbag and she thinks it's ugly.

And then he has these friends who are mean to her, and she goes home with the you know whatever he is waiter slash performance artist, and then he calls her.

The next day.

The guys in her bed.

They're fully clothed, which I think is great, and she doesn't remember because she was drunk.

And he calls her and he says, I just have to tell you that I have to do something in my I have to do things in my own time, and she's like, okay, and she's hung over and feeling guilty.

He doesn't realize this, and then he goes, doesn't he say.

I do love you?

Yes, which exactly.

Yeah, it's so him, but it is satisfying for her because he does do it in his own way.

Right, you know, and he sticks to who he is.

Really that's a.

Good point, right, yeah.

I mean he came around.

He did in his own way, in his own way.

It's never going to be easy, you know, and there is some validity to doing things in your own way, whether you know, you might ruffle some feathers or you know, swim upstream or going against the current.

But yeah, well you don't want to get pushed into a corner or whatever.

Got to be your authentic self.

And I think, you know, how often are we pretending to be or participating in behavior or something that's not necessarily our authentic self, but we're trying to make somebody else happy or steel good.

Absolutely, you know.

But that's what Carrie does a lot of.

And that's what I see when I look back on it, not this narcissistic Carrie, but a Carrie who's like pushing down her own wants and desires to try to be with him, right, which is.

I think other people also see that obviously, and which she had gone to therapy.

But if she'd gone to therapy, we might not have gotten to continue there, you know.

Right, No, she I forgot.

She did go to therapy where she met John bon Jovi's character, and when she had quit therapy, so she didn't.

Run into him anymore.

That was just is it coming, It's coming, isn't it?

It's coming?

You get John bon Jovi.

John bon Jovi was, oh, no, he doesn't want to do my podcast.

I know, I don't know why will Maybe we could try them.

We're gonna, we're gonna we're gonna circle back with John.

Okay, let's circle back.

You did it.

Yeah, you're a joy, Brian, You're That was so good to see you discuss more in depth.

Are you a Charlotte?

I am definitely a Charlotte.

That was, by the way, just for you're your own version.

I was wild for I am definitely a Charlotte.

That's a great thing.

Oh my god, big time.

I don't meet many men who are like, yes, I am a Charlotte.

I love that so much.

Yes, And for you do you trust?

I mean yeah, look, I have a I have a you know, I have a type, and it's Charlotte's type.

Love it, love it so much.

We need nice men to be Charlotte's.

Oh really, you better.

It does make the world better.

I didn't know we had a shortage of Charlotte's.

But I think I'm gonna Now I'm on a mission.

Now I'm gonna I'm gonna correct that.

Do it, Charlotte, Charlotte Nation.

Here we go, Charlotte Nation.

That's the next podcast.

I do want it to before we go, A quick story to that.

Damn line man comes back and everybody knows that's probably I get recognized or people want to talk about the most, especially with the female audience.

But after it aired in New York City, walking down the street, construction dudes, which the construction guys, and either they're working for the city or they're part of the building.

I don't know where they were building something, but it was men like that weren't known to watch the show.

Of course, Yeah, anyway, these dudes, and I felt it.

You can't even feel the dudes look at you and recognize you for a second then and they waited till I got far enough away, dude.

I heard that more than one time.

I've heard it multiple times in the street.

Yeah, like a Costco street.

I'm like, how do you respond to that?

I'm like, no, just say no, I know, yeah I did phenomena.

I mean, what do you do?

You just got to look at me to come on, man.

That's really I like that those moments.

Just have people just remember those.

It's so true.

But you know what I mean.

On the one hand, sometimes I feel like apologizing to the guys who are on the show because of those things following them through life, right, because obviously you're not that character at all.

But on the other.

Hand, it's kind of amazing to be a part of something that people remember it is.

You're exactly right, it is.

Sometimes it's cringey, but in the same time, it feels good.

I'm glad.

I'm glad, and you did it so well.

And thank you, thank you, thank you so much for for everything, for the for for being my my my, you know, my rock on the set, and I was so glad, and also for inviting me to come back here my pleasure.

I'm so happy.

It's the best part of doing the podcast to get to have the actors on.

I mean, I love the writers too, I love everybody, but to reconnect and hear memories because you have your own right and you're different from mine, and then also what it was like for you after and where you were at the time.

I love it so much.

Well, I can't wait to see uh and hear more about what when, other actors and more stories because it's it's fun, such a good Yeah, it's bringing me back and it's such a good, good podcast, and you talk about so many interesting things and I love hearing the stories me too.

You know it's me too, me too.

Thanks for contributing to Oh My Pleasure Anytime.

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