Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are you a Charlotte?

Okay, we're back to the show.

We're back to the show.

So Carrie's home, she's thinking, she's got She's She's like, I got to thinking.

I mean, it's so funny to hear the lines, you know, because everyone used to talk about this stuff.

But I was like, yeah, yeah, whatever, And now I'm like, no, it's incredible.

It's so great, right, And I do think she says and just like that at some point, which is all she does.

Funny.

I noticed that when I was watching it this morning.

It's interesting.

It's interesting.

No, no didn't.

I had no idea that that was going on.

But it was.

So she's talking about, you know, friendship with an ex and is it an unsolvable equation or is it you know, what does the ex mean?

Right?

Like she talks about math for a second, which is kind of funny.

I was like, okay, talking about math equations?

All right.

So Steve adorably shows up at Miranda's door because he's like, you ran from me.

That really hurt my feelings.

He's so sweet, like that's so vulnerable and adorable that he says that to her right, like yeah, God, I just love him so much.

And Miranda kind of.

Burst into tears, which is also fascinating.

And I didn't remember any of this, but Cynthia's just so so good.

They're so good together, and you see that she really has this turmoil and she says a few a few times in the scene like I really miss you, and you realize at that point like oh, it's like so much more.

And then she wants to even fully admit to you know, like he has connected with her underneath all of her facade toughness, you know, and I love it so much.

So Steve is backed great, so great, It's so great.

Then I weirdly am running.

I don't remember this at all.

I'm like, what am I wearing?

I don't remember filming this.

I'm running around the reservoir, which is a theme.

You have a lot of scenes where you run around the wad I know and not what?

I did not remember?

Do you run?

No?

I did?

I did.

At one point when I was on Melrose Place, I had the very distinct sensation that I was not working out enough to fit in.

I have tried to run and I hate it.

I had to get a running coach.

Wow, because all of the girls will talk about their workout routines and I was like, dun, I'm not not not doing it at all.

Right, So I got a running coach and he would teach me how to run because I was one of those kids where everyone would laugh at me when I ran.

Yeah, thank you.

Not cute at the time, but I thank you.

So he taught me how to run better.

I don't know that I'm still that good, but he taught me how to run better.

And I ran on the beach, which was hard, really hard, and it made my quads look like a like a speed skater in the Olympics.

Wo.

Yeah, build up what I was looking for.

Yeah, it was a bad idea.

I did quite that.

But then when they were like Charlotte runs, I did think it made sense because she's so focused and trying to move forward in her pursuits.

Right, it seemed to work.

And she also plays tennis, which we'll get to with the Kyle character, you know, with Trey, and she makes jokes about her waspy family and that's how they handle emotions, which I think is great.

Right, Like those things I thought were great.

So I was like yes, yes, let's run.

Let's try to wear some decent workout where and run.

So I'm running and I see a horse.

I didn't remember this.

I remember that I would talk about my love, my Taddy love, but I hadn't remembered I tell a story, or Carrie tells the story.

I guess the voiceover that I had fallen off the horse and broken my collar bone, and my father had sold the horse the next day, which seems so harsh, you know, like wow, I hadn't remembered any of that, Like emotionally, you see why Charlotte loves her dogs that are coming so much, right because her dad sold her horse like the next day.

But I was competing, I think, I mean, like what, I've got to look up Charlotte's backstory.

Wow, I remember, any I do remember that she had a horse named Taddy that she loved.

So I see this horse and it's riding through Central Park and I had this still happens where you'll just be walking in Central Park and see a horse go by, and.

It's just I just saw one and I was just walking there.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's incredible, right, Like it's such an old world thing that's still happening.

It's it's pretty cool.

So I see the horse, we hear the story I think from Carrie about Taddy, the horse in the competition that broke my collarbone, and then I think, maybe it's time to get back in this saddle.

And that's a lovely writing, you know.

It connects to the others without me having to have a guy, which I think is great.

Right.

Yeah, then Samantha, this is great And I would love to know where John enosays, the actor who plays mister too Big, which we're about to meet, did you ever meet him?

No?

Oh, he was all around in the scene and really, I mean, my god, he has so nice.

Yeah, and I means nice.

At one.

This is a rumor I heard that Samantha that Kim Kotrell got to choose her love interest at a certain point once the show got more successful, that she could like sign off on them or.

We all do you do?

Yeah, So you guys would say, like, I, okay, did this person but not to that person?

This is what would happen, so not if it was a one episode, at least not for me.

And I don't know in that case, you know, because well she had some kind of you know, more intimate stuff to do with people, right, So maybe they asked her, which would have been lovely idea, But like for me, I don't think.

I don't think they asked me to be involved until it was Trey.

Really, so when they chose Trey, they like.

But this is what was say no to Chicam maclachlin.

I mean, you must have been psyched, right, Yeah.

Well I was shocked when I was.

I was shocked for so many reasons.

But actually, now that I'm thinking back on it, they didn't actually ask me.

They just told me right right, right.

Right right now.

That's a great gat for you guys, beyond absolutely.

But also Michael Patrick had gone to an event like a picnic and he had been there and he just Michael Patrick was just dazzled.

But the thing that was weird for me was that what I've been told, because Michael would sit us down before every season tell us the arc of our character, the big picture, even way back.

It was very respectful, respectful and lovely and we were included even though we had no titles, and he the idea was that, you know, the beginning of the third season, I started talking about like I'm going to get married.

I've got this book and it tells me how and I look so crazy.

I have so many friends that do stuff like that.

Really, oh my god, well I read this book on this many dates.

This should be happening, and you know that, like these books aren't.

Actually, you know, totally.

Yes, it was very hard.

I had to really act my ass off, super didactic, like this is what I'm going to do.

No, no, no, no, no, so I would.

I'm really They set me on a course, you know, I'm going to be married by the end of the year.

And then the idea originally.

Had been so funny.

I mean, but people do this because.

They've done the one I've done all these like books that you read, you know.

Wow.

Yeah, yeah, I avoid them like the plague.

Okay, yeah, smart, thank you.

Well, I think because I played Charlotte.

Right, you already got that.

Yeah.

So the idea for Trey in the original before we met Kyle, was that Charlotte would find this guy and he would be handsome and everything, but that he was super boring and that everyone hated him, and then it would be the kind of thing where they'd be like, oh God, here he comes, will you talk to him?

The friends, which we've all been through, right, But the problem was he was played by Colin mcclo so he's not boring.

He's not boring any and all of us were equally like.

So they had to shift real quick.

That was the joy of our writers is that they.

They would just go with what you guys really were, and which.

Was I think, why at work, have you seen this thing lately about they've made a bunch of movies where there's like an older woman and any younger guy.

Yeah, yeah, and.

They're actually talking about this being a trend.

Okay.

Part of the reason is a trend is because the younger guys grew up with different expectations and kind of training and are not as held down by kind of the you know, stereotypical norms.

Their courage right right.

And I think I think older women are also getting more brave, you know, because I think probably there was always probably younger women that younger men that wanted to go out with older women, but maybe some older women felt like, maybe I'm not supposed to do this, Like I don't know if you remember when Demi Moore dated Ashton, certainly she I mean, I think a lot of people were like, oh lucky.

You know, that's a hot couple.

But she got flack as well, you know, so it's like, why should she be getting flack?

Well, your male counterparts are not getting any flack.

You know, for one hot second.

Yeah, no man ever gets flack, but all the women get It's insane.

But what I love now is they're making these like Laura Dern did one with Chris Hemsworth.

I want to say, love it.

Yeah, I did some young man.

I don't even know that, so, yes, I loved it.

Did you love it?

Yeah?

I was really good.

I love the director, Michael Showalter.

He's yeah, he's so good.

He's so good.

Like I love that trend and I want it to be a real trend.

And there's some other actress person who's talked about this and I can't remember who it is right now, but I'm like, yeah, yeah, let's do that.

Let's do that.

But then I think to myself, I mean, it's odd with with my kids, right, Like, you know, I can't really just be like, hey, here's this thirty year old.

Dude, Like good, what I mean?

Look at the director what's her name?

Who did Fifty Shades of Gray, who's got the much younger husband and they are like super in love and they've been together for twenty years.

Yeah.

No, that's super impressive.

I mean you can always find it, right, Yeah, But I think for my kids, I wouldn't want to casually introduce Actually you don't know right right right?

If it was something, if you were serious, yes, yes, and then if the guy could play basketball, everything would be fine.

Our kids would like me, I have to send him to a coach if he wasn't good at basketball.

But but I think I love that trend.

I mean not to say that there's anything wrong with men our age because because there's not.

But I mean a lot of them are married obviously, or you know, maybe divorce.

No, my friend, she was on some dating apps and she's a really successful writer.

She's really cool.

She's around our ages, and so she was on there and she wasn't getting like a lot of matches.

And then she expanded her profile to include like much younger guys and her she was like flooded and now she's gonna she's the one.

We're gonna we might I think we might write something together.

But you know, she was flooded with all these younger guys trying to go out with them, and I think she had a fun flaying with one guy.

Yeah yeah, I mean maybe that's what it is.

But it was so funny.

She got like this massive like wow.

Okay, all right, all right, let's go back to the show.

Back to the show.

Okay.

So Samantha is walking down the street.

This fits right in.

This is before Apps, you guys.

She's walking down the street Madison Avenue, and she walks by this honk a man his name in life is Johnny Knows, and he looks at her and she looks at him and it's like, oh, sizzily, and then she walks past him and looks in the window at Prada on the Upper East Side, and then he comes back and he says something like, you know, you look amazing, and she goes, well, you're so confident.

What makes you so cocky?

And he goes, I guess I was born that way.

And he's not joking, we find out later, which is super funny.

But I love how he plays it because he's just like light and kind of like, well, I guess I was just born that way.

He's like just the hunk.

I mean, if that guy asked you on the street, you'd be like, wow, I mean.

Right right, And Samantha plays it a little very cool know, which is very like, yeah, very cool for her, right for her.

So then we're just going to do her storyline because I think it's super interesting.

They go, they're in her really weirdly red bedroom and she takes her she's in her like cute little lingerie and he strips that shirt off and you're just like Jesus, and then he goes, you know, I think I need to tell you something before we go any further, and she's like yes, and she I can see in her face she thinks he's going to say he has a STD or something, and she's like, oh, no, this is bad.

And then he goes, you know, I just need to tell you I'm very well in dowed, and he seems kind of adorably embarrassed when you say, he's right so cute, and she's like, oh, that's wonderful.

She's all.

She's very into it.

And then we come to find out no, it's actually an actual problem.

It's interesting and even Samantha can't do it, which is bizarre.

And I would love to know his experience of playing that guy.

Because all the guys.

I wonder if a lot of women after that show were like, Okay, I'm ready right.

I mean, it could have been because all the guys have trippy, trippy stories about yeah.

Like about women hitting on them after being on the show.

Were just hating them really depending on who they played, really like who like I feel kind of bad for them?

Who was just telling us, Oh, well, Futterman was telling us that people had said all kind of crazy things to him about the mouse and whatever, you know what I mean?

And then right, and then someone else, Oh, Brian van Holt, because he kind of had a he played like a like a I don't want to say who it was written after, but you know, he was kind of ick, and so people would sometimes they'd be like, oh, my god, you're that guy and then be like, oh, that was terrible, you know whatever, like he'd actually done it, you know.

M And also Bridget who played Natasha, told me that for years people would come up to her and say things like, you know, you were in Carrie's life?

Are you cute?

Isn't that messed up?

People don't realize this is not real Carrie.

She didn't, Yeah, she actually Harrie actually did worse because there were as Bridget like, he was single, right, yes, yeah, yeah, and they.

Were broken up, you know what I mean.

So she had put up with it for a while, but she said as time went on, people would come up there and be like, you you know, you were wronged and you know whatever.

You know, she'd be like, oh, thank god, the ties of turn.

Anyway, it's all very trippy.

But yes, it is all fictional, so it's interesting to me.

Maybe he doesn't I don't know.

Probably it's fine.

I just want to say no, I'm sure he has a good one.

I'm sure it's good.

I feel in my bones that is good just from the way that he handled it at the time.

I could be wrong.

I have no personal knowledge.

He didn't seem to have any problem with it.

Let me put it that.

Maybe you should find out now.

To find out for sure.

But I do feel at the time we had figured out, like as a group, that it was hard for the men to come into our show as girlfriends.

Basically, they were playing the girlfriend equivalent parts, right, and it seemed unusual for them to be doing that, and sometimes they seemed uncomfortable, So we would kind of try to be friendly you know, and try to be like, oh you okay, how are you feeling?

And I remember talking to Johnny's I'm fine, you.

Know, how are you?

I love it.

I hope that that's still true.

Okay, here we go, there's so much more.

Okay.

So this is when they okay, okay, Carrie.

Carrie decides Carrie sees okay.

So they have this whole conversation about can you be friends with your ex?

Then Carrie goes home and she finds a Laura Ashley dressed from the nineteen eighties, which I had a few of that I wore for auditions, you know, and they would be like my special dress, which really makes me laugh and possibly why I didn't get parts in the eighties when.

I just got out of college.

Right, So she finds an old dress and she realizes like, this is so crazy that we would keep old clothes, but that we just throw away our ex boyfriends.

And she decides to call Big.

She calls them up.

Natasha picks up the phone, not expecting this, so Carrie hangs up the phone.

You know, this is in the olden days with regular phones.

Right then she decides like, oh no, he could see caller ID so I'm going to call back so that he calls back.

She calls back, and they have this whole conversation, and then they decide to have lunch at eleven Madison Park, which is still a lovely, very formal, expensive restaurant, and Carrie comes in this beautiful pink dress.

I have no memory of this scene at all.

I vaguely remember stress about but there's like a number of different restaurant scenes, Like there's the restaurant scene where they eventually fall in the pond, right, There's a bunch of restaurant scenes, but this one I didn't remember at all.

And I didn't even know what was going to happen, right, Like, I'm just sitting on the edge of my seat, What's going to happen?

It was so good, It was so good.

And she has her beautiful, natural, curly hair a little bit of frizz on top.

I love it so desperately.

And he is being nervous, which we've almost never seen.

Yeah, and it's interesting.

It's always like mister cool guy.

Right, and he's like repeating himself and nervous because he knows that he has to tell her that he and Natasha are engaged.

And he tells her.

She says, let's make a pact that we're not going to talk to each other about our relationships until they get very serious, at which point there's a horrific long silence, literally horrific to the point where I'm like, carry, get up and run because I couldn't remember what was going to happen.

But like, he just looks at her for the longest time.

And the thing that I thought was great about it is he's so torn.

Like, on the one hand, he is engaged to this girl and she's lovely and like perfect in so many ways, but he's still so torn, you know about telling Carrie Like it's interesting, and I thought he played it really really well.

Yeah, you know, totally because you just so much in his eyes.

Yeah right, But also you wouldn't be like fuck you.

Like yeah, like it's kind of mysterious.

You don't really know what he's thinking.

You're like, oh, do you want to be back with Carrie?

Do you not?

You don't really know where he's coming from.

No, And I mean that's the whole thing with mister Babs.

Yeah, I mean the whole that's the entire thing.

You never know where he's coming from and I so relate to that, to being in those.

Relationships where you're just it's like that old school man you doesn't know how to express his feelings, doesn't know how to talk to you, and it's very frustrated.

And that's why people want to go out with younger men.

Yeah, interesting, because they're they're a little better at talking.

It seems like, yeah, I mean, I'm sure that's something.

Maybe they're not brought up with the same like old school macho like you are not allowed to have any feelings and you can never talk about that, you.

Know, Yeah, definitely, And good for them, Yeah, that's true.

So he tells her that they're engaged.

She puts her head down in her hands, and then she says, it's just really cut my heart so bad.

She says, you string me along for two years, then you married some twenty five year old girl after five months.

And he's like, I.

Did not string you along, and I just want to kill him.

I just want to kill him.

You know, he totally strung her along.

He totally what is he talking about?

Like men you are to carry you really are like a good friend, right, well, of course, but I also really really relate you know what I mean, And like I have had I mean, I can't think right now of an Oh what's kind of that thing?

You know?

Well, she says it later, like when you break a guy in and then you help them grow and then they're ready for the next one, but not for you.

It's super annoying.

And I have definitely felt that I can't think of who they are right now, which is interesting that I have forgotten them.

But I know that there are times in my youth where I was like, well, I did all the work and now look at that.

But I didn't really necessarily want that, right So there was that too of like but I'm still free, which is great, That's what I wanted, you know what I mean.

It's interesting.

So now we cut to Carry and me and the stables in the Claremont stables like I was telling about, and I'm just thinking, like, why is Charlotte making poor Carrie be there and her heels?

Why do carry weare heels to go to the stage.

She's Carrie because.

She's Carrie, and I, you know, I want to get back up on the horse.

But she's obviously just basically flipping out after this lunch, right and just like, she's a very cute.

Top by the way, but I wish I had all.

Of it is very cute, and she has it in this storage unit somewhere.

Maybe one day it will come back out.

And Carrie compares her relationship with Big to a horse and that she broke him in right, which is all the horse imagery, as you said, is fantastic through the whole show.

And I'm scared to get on the horse, which is also interesting, and I kind of forget.

I go to get on the horse and then I'm like no, and then we leave and I'm like low level Charlotte terrified, Like Charlotte has a lot of a lot of big feelings.

Then we're back to Samantha.

She just can't do it.

Which is so sad.

And I felt bad for him too, like she needs a really big, big vagina big Cucci.

I guess.

I mean, I hope he found someone that could do it.

I know, yeah, I.

Just feel like if you tried longer, harder with some luprikin nerve.

I don't know, but I haven't seen some guys.

Their penises are crazy, you know what I mean.

I'm not saying it's more like okay, not in life.

I've never been with a guy where I was like, oh my god.

But like sometimes if you see people online, you're like.

Does that really real?

It's right, you know.

I mean there's that one guy where they made a I mean, obviously, Heather's made me feel very comfortable.

You guys say some crazy craziness on here.

There's that one porn guy where they made a dildo based on him, right, yeah, that was because we've had to film at numerous sex shops or whatever.

I don't want to how big is it.

It was pretty big, but I don't feel like it was like, it's not ridiculous.

But I've seen people like it's like, you know, you want that.

I mean I don't want that.

Yeah, no, I don't want that.

It's crazy.

Heather just really put her hands far away.

You guys, like twelve inches okay, in case you're not watching, I mean that is kind of what is implied, because like when they are trying again, you know, they're kind of going slow and she's like okay, okay, okay, and then he goes, okay, are we ready and she's like are we ready?

So I guess there's implying length Yeah, that's weird.

I can't imagine that that could be painful.

I don't know.

I've never had that problem.

I don't know.

It's a loading storyline, man, Oh my god.

So then I've skipped around a bit.

But oh then this is so sweet.

So Miranda and Steve go to dinner because they're trying to be friends, but you can so tell that, you know, it's just unfinished, finished business man.

So they come back and they have the sweetest room.

It's the sweetest scene in her bedroom, which also made me think, like, does Miranda not have the rest of her set yet?

Because we had to, we would each get more walls, you know, as time went on, and for a long time I only had the white bedroom with a picture of a woman falling through water like she was sad and interesting picture and a pink lamp, which I still have in my house.

And I used to only have two flats that they would just move around.

And then once I had a hallway when Samantha sleeps with my door man, and I was like, I don't even remember that allway where that all the way goes?

And then I get a kitchen when Samantha sleeps with my brother but then that kitchen disappears.

Also, they're all white.

That's how you know that they're mine, right, And then I think, well, we don't go to my house in this scene which with the horses, but with Samantha we just see her red bedroom, and with Miranda, I feel like we just see the bedroom with a metal bed.

But when she had the interior designer, she did have a living room.

But I don't know.

One of my most memorable Miranda scenes was when she made the brownies and she's trying not to eat the whole tray and then she threw them in the trash, but then she out of the trash, and then she threw them in the trash again, and then she or like soap on it, so she talcau.

You remember when she ate the cake out of the trash or the cookie she eats out of the trash.

I know this because it's a meme.

Okay, it's a meme.

It's really good.

It's really good.

It's relatable.

You're like, I'll just have one cookie totally.

I mean all the Miranda food stuff is hysterical.

Like they wrote that scene and Cynthia was always so game to do it because we would really eat in the coffee shop scenes and it really was.

Yeah, everyone was just food.

They would ask us in advance, what food do you want?

You would try to order wisely obviously, and it would you order very long maybe it depends.

I would usually order like a chicken breast or something something that was like, you know, not to like let it.

Like I was not into the salad.

Cynthia was into the salads.

So they eventually write a scene where she has like all this salad dressing and it's like all over her face and I was like, you guys, why are you going so far?

Like, don't go so far?

And she's so totally game.

And sometimes like it's salmon or something else.

Like a protein, yeah, anyone else yet.

A fair amount of salads, except they're hard to eat, and they really want us to eat, right, So if you don't pick your fork up, they'll come over there and be like pick your work up.

Okay, I'm trying.

That's a problem.

I mean we both know, like once they're shooting from all you have to eat a lot of food in those moments because you can do like twenty takes or that scene.

Yeah, we got to cover hubble, Yes, which we kind of did.

Anyway, it's such a good scene.

And I lose my voice in the scene.

You can tell that because we had to sing so much.

Oh wow, my voice is like half at half masks.

I never noticed that.

I also lose my voice a lot in that as the season goes, because we would work all night, all night, all night and have to be loud even though we're body micd and everything.

So my voice is like scratchy, and I'm always scared to death of singing.

And I can tell Sarah's like caretaking me in that scene.

She's like looking at me, like focus and focus on me.

Don't be scared, I know, because also you're singing Barbara Streyx and it's not an easy song, you know.

But it's a fun It's fun to watch because, like we are, the three of us so invested in explaining to Samantha the similarities and the beauty of the way we were in case any of you listening have not seen the way we were watching.

It's magical in so many ways.

And they duplicated the plaza scene right exactly.

Yeah, I mean, it's incredible, it's incredible, And just recently when we were promoting that other show.

I'm not going to say that.

We were in Paris and we went on this kind of like they have like lengthy talk shows in Europe, you know, And Cynthia, Sarah and I went together onto this talk show and there was a whole panel of people interviewing us, like maybe five people.

It was so interesting, and the main woman was in charge, and they had this whole package made of the way we were, of Barbara Streys and singing of Sara Jessica talking about how she loves Barbara Streisan and then the scene at the end of this episode, and they played the whole thing for us and all of us teared up thinking about it.

Yeah, it was so good and so beautiful, and at that point we didn't know that the show was ending, but it reminded us, you know of like all the times before, you know, and like what we've gotten to make and just the beauty and my.

Li was in a really memorable moment, and not only that, it was like your guys friendship and just that beautiful Like, yeah, it was just a great energy.

Absolutely absolutely, and it was so good.

And right when they finished, because I was looking at Cynthia and Sarah because I'm I'm the crier, right, it was like, oh, what are they going to do?

They're teared up and they don't want to be teared up by so like when it was done, I think I jumped in there to try to talk, to give them a minute or whatever.

But I mean, it was it really like and then when I watched the episode, I have all those feelings all over again.

It's so good.

Yeah, really so good.

It's one of the most powerful episodes.

I think, I agree.

And so she let's just talk through it just briefly.

So basically, the engagement party has been happening.

Carrie's been down the street with us talking about how she can feel them down there.

She was invited, but she didn't go, which also is a little weird they invited her, but whatever, and you know, we're all we're drinking and we're like, you know, you know, and we're trying to talk about other things.

And then she walks by it, which you know, she's like kind of drawn, you know, like a moth to a flame, right, And she sees Big getting in the car with Natasha, and he sees her and he's wearing this very black brown suit and he to me, I'm like, why do we care so much about him?

Journey me?

That's how I felt, right, And she looks incredible, you in that white slip dress, just to die.

So he walks over to her, and she's so sweet and kind of sad and sweet and has so much poise.

She's like looking for clarity too, like why did you ask her to marry you?

Not mer why her?

Yeah, it doesn't really answer.

Yeah, he does this.

He says it was complicated, you.

Know, And then he says it was just so hard.

That's what he says, hard, which I just want to kill on.

I'm like, oh.

But then he goes and she's just so and I think the word would be simple, right, but it.

Doesn't say easy.

Maybe easy totally.

But then you're thinking, what is it costing her to be like that?

That's what I'm thinking.

At least, I'm like, how hard is she having to try to be so easy?

I mean, maybe she just is naturally that way, but I don't know anything about it.

Easier to kind of keep that up after five months a few years later, you know, nobody's that easy, right.

They need to that's one thing too.

So then he kind of trails off.

He doesn't really give her like a solid answer, and that leads her into remembering the brober strisanber Red for a moment, and she reaches up and touches his hair and says, you know, your girl is lovely, Hubble, and he says.

He's kind of like, doesn't make what.

I don't get it.

He says, I don't get it, and Carrie says, and you never did.

Yeah, and it's so incredibly good.

And then she walks away towards camera, which is one of the most beautiful shots.

It's a shot and the wind blows her hair.

Yeah.

Oh, it's incredible.

And he's in the background, and who cares about him?

You know what I mean?

And then and then she says, this is so good.

So she's worked right by the plaza, which is where the horses are for the horse drunk carriages for Central Park, which I really personally wish they weren't, but they still are.

So she walks by the horses and you can see it's actually one of our ads is playing the horse drunk carriage why And he's trying to put the harness on the horse's head and the horse doesn't want the harness on its head.

It's like fighting it, right, and the line, the voiceover line says, then I had a thought.

Maybe I didn't break Big.

Maybe the problem was he didn't break me.

Maybe some women aren't meant to be tamed.

Oh chills.

I feel like I related to that so much.

And it's so good.

And maybe some women aren't meant to be damed.

And isn't that just who we should.

Be and not just fit into this box, but just to really be your authentic self.

Yes, yes, and it's so good in her and that horse and I have a look.

That was an iconic moment, just like walking away with a horse and the thing, and like whether or not I get this guy, I'm fabulous.

Yeah, absolutely, ablutely.

And then she says maybe they need to run free until they find someone just as wild to run with.

Yeah.

I've forgotten that part because she doesn't really like the I don't know what happens next because I can't remember, but Aidan comes eventually.

He's I mean, I don't know, maybe this is unfair.

He's not really someone to run wild with.

Yeah, I mean I guess you could see him as slightly wilder than Big, but He's not exactly what you're picturing when you're saying that, you know, yeah.

You're thinking, let this woman run wild like real.

Right.

Anyway, it was really good.

Oh wait, here's some Emos trivia.

Okay.

His name is John Enos the third and he played mister Cocky and he was normal for this episode as Bobby Perezy on Melo's plis.

Oh my god, he go you work with him?

No, I think he came after me.

Maybe that's what we talked about after this episode.

He went on to do two hundred and twelve episodes of The Young and the Restless.

Wow, Oh my gosh, Katie, did you know him from Mello's place?

No, apparently we were both on the same season four.

Maybe I did.

We've got to find John Yos and ask him.

Maybe you should have him on talk.

Should be catching up with friends.

Then we have some trivia about the the yes we recreated we already talked about that.

Eleven Mels eleven Madison Park still open.

I'm glad we did this episode.

I love this I love this episode so much.

I had totally forgotten that that white dress is John Galliano for Christian.

Do you are really the most desired Vintage season.

Are you serious?

Also, the it would be fun to talk about some of your I love like your love story with Kyle and Evan.

I mean, it was so fun to see Charlotte go through that.

I'm glad.

I'm so glad.

I mean it was kind of it was it was kind of stressful at times, you know what I mean.

But also I want to talk about your.

Movie you made.

Oh thank you.

Okay, I cannot believe you wrote, directed, and started in a film called Chosen Family, which I love the titles.

Yeah, I mean, how did you do this?

Well?

You know, I tried.

I wanted to celebrate friendships and the friends with the Chosen Family, and you know, in a lot of ways, I've been inspired by Sex in the City, maybe because I can relate, But it's kind of about how there's like a sort of like a codependency undercurrent to it as well.

It's kind of about how, you know, sometimes if your family has certain maybe dysfunctional patterns, how you can be attracted.

To that in your relationship and then see this film.

It's kind of about how your friends are really your family and love it.

But how was it directing yourself?

It was fun.

There's also a story plot about dating a guy, a divorced guy with a kid, and I don't know if you've will you have kids, but but you know, when you're dated, I don't know, either dating someone and them trying to get along with your kids, or you know, you dating someone trying to get along with their kids, that that can be sometimes like a like a transitional period where they're not always so excited, like, oh, I'm.

Not going to introduce my kids to the thirty year old that I'm going to find in the future.

I think some people I know have had like no problems and they get along great.

But sometimes you know, there there's there's a period of course.

Yeah, but like how did you direct yourself?

Well, you know, I had people on set that were great.

I had my best friend who's a producer.

His name is Michael Nichols, and he was there.

He would help and then the dp's amazing.

He actually shot Emily in Paris and yeah and uh and a bunch of other cool shows.

So they would help me and be like we'll try this or try that, or maybe this seems not working, try it this way, try it that way.

So we were like a little three group where we talked about everything in advance and cool.

Yeah, and I hoped to.

I have some other stuff that I'm developing.

I just wrote a new script it's called Trigger, that I'm working on with.

An as A Hope and Ted Hope.

And I optioned this Leanne Moriarty book It's called The Hypnotist Love Story, and I'm working on it with my friend Deb Fisher, who's the showrunner of the first two seasons of Ginny and Georgia.

Which was a really good job.

Who loves this show.

Yeah, yeah, so and we have we might turn to a movie, a TV show.

We're kind of figuring it out right now.

But I love email stories, you know, the stories with female protagonists.

I love it.

Yay.

And do you do you want to continue directing?

I do.

I would love to.

I mean, I love all kinds of behind the scenes, Like I like the producing aspect.

I'd like to option books.

Maybe I'll do stuff where I don't director, writer, you know, But but I love every aspect.

I like acting, acting in it, directing, writing, producing.

It's so much harder when you direct and writing and produce because it's like it can take years and it's kind of like your baby.

And then when people make different decisions that you think they shouldn't be making, it's much more of like a rollercoaster.

But it's very fun.

Yeah, you know, it's so fun to be in this business and to learn about all the like how much cinematography makes a huge difference, how much the editing makes a huge difference, the music makes a huge difference.

It's fun to learn about all that stuff.

Absolutely, I'm so impressed.

Thank you.

It's amazing.

You're so sweet.

You know what, you meet people and you are just like a very very sweet, lovely person.

Thank you.

Sometimes I'm not just not here.

Yeah, why right?

But you have like maybe they based the character on your true but you have all then you know what I mean, Like it seems that you really it's cool.

And you're like, wow, that person isn't sure we.

Have all been in that moment and you're like, I'm.

Really looking for it.

And then you're like wow that person is and you're like so mean, you know it's you are lovely.

Thank you so much.

It's so fun talking lovely.

It's really fun having you.

I mean, the thing I think about Charlotte and what I love about her I obviously love Charlotte, and we really did develop her together because she wasn't so much in the book that we based the show off of, right.

So no one gets really deep.

Like as it goes along, you get to learn so much about her and she's complicated.

And thankful to the writers for that, you know, they gave me such a gift.

And Michael Patrick especially, like we have such an incredible relationship and know each other so well.

Obviously it's really cute, like your properness mixed with like the raunchy nature of the show.

It's really funny.

You know.

I have had moments on here.

We had someone on and it was an episode where we had to say the P word or something and I didn't want to say it.

And then one of the comments was like, Davis seems really conflicted.

I'm like, yes, yes, i am.

I am.

I played Charlotte.

I am conflicted.

I'm not against freedom.

It's not your personality, right, adorable?

Yeah, right, thank you, thank you your joy And I can't wait to say I'm going to go watch some pictures with you.

Let's do it.

Let's do it.