This is Gary and Shannon, and you're listening to kf I AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand on the iHeartRadio app.

It was like, boom shake jack it, come on, come on say jack it you know that one.

Damn, but I do like that.

You didn't You didn't fail her.

No, you didn't fail me, but it was it was.

She just wants you to do better.

It was less two thousand and seven, six and more nineteen ninety three.

That's what's scary going if you want to get him up and shaken it.

It's that early.

Nineties, early to mid nineties rap light yeah, pop rap right pop rap.

It may not have been ac Efron.

Hey, Gary and Shannon, Hey Shannon.

That may not have been Zac Effron.

It might have been his brother Dylan.

You need to look his picture up.

Looking it up.

Have a good day.

Love you guys, Thank you, by bye bye.

Bye, thank you.

Can you guys again, we're thinking every.

No, definitely not Dylan, not Dylan.

No, it was Zach Effron.

It was tanner than Dylan.

Okay, you guys again, we're thinking everything just like overthinking.

It's Gavin is it's joking around he's just parroting Trump.

It's just a joke.

Come on, he's just I know he is Trump, I know he is, and we know he's parroting him.

We know the office is parroting him.

If you look at the tweet they put out about this this press availability, it's parroting him.

But I just don't think it's funny.

Is it funny?

Do you think it's funny?

I guess or is it just not funny?

It's just like ah, but yes.

Yes, it points out how insane some of the social media posts the president puts up are.

But don't we that?

But we know that.

Yeah, if you're if you're.

Just mimicking that same thing back.

If you're arguing with somebody and you think they're going crazy and and you try to imitate their crazy voice back to them, you're getting nowhere.

You're not solving an argument.

You know where.

That does work though, And I was giving this advice as a youth.

If you come across a crazy person on the street, like, legit crazy, if you act crazier than them, they won't bother you, and it works.

It totally works.

Like if you see someone who's like, eh, mumble into themselves.

If you start mumbling to yourself and maybe shake a little bit, give yourself a little seizure, and then start running and then walking, and then maybe walking backwards and then mumbling louder, they stay the hell away from you.

It works with babies.

Oh really, if baby starts throwing a tantrum and then you throw a tantrum because they're throwing a tantrum, it works.

Really.

Yeah, it's weird because they're like, what's wrong with you?

It's the same it's the same exact mechanism.

It just works with children.

Wow, and we're not I'm hoping.

I'm hoping that the people that we elect as leaders are not just chill.

Oh.

Yes, that's what it sounds like, is they're just they're DeVault.

Goes back to our conversation I believe last week, where people don't grow up, they're just getting older.

They're the same people.

Oh that's interesting.

Yes, that is probably bitch.

Time for Dodger bageball somewhere.

Vin, I don't know what's going on.

With you, but well it's it's well, leave Vin out of this.

Second.

Of all, the vaunted bullpen has turned out to be a disaster area.

And yes, there are injuries.

Injuries abound, but they were nine games up in first place and have squandered that.

The stat I read as they've dropped twenty of the last thirty three.

What a skid.

That's not a skid.

That's like a it's falling down the entire mountain.

You're at the top of the mountain, you're at Mount Whitney, and you're going to take about six hours to get.

Down skid marks and gird on your bottom.

Dodgers are in second place, a full game now behind the Padres, since the Padres whooped up on the Giants yesterday.

Now tomorrow the Dodgers come or the Padres come to Dodger Stadium.

That's a great angry.

It's gonna feel like October up in here, I hope.

So listen.

It should.

It's mid August.

Usually these games mean absolute nothing.

It's mid August.

This is what base This is what the Dodgers and the Padres need.

This is what Major League Baseball needs.

Is a team, a couple of teams like this battling for first place.

Because you don't have it in any other division right now, you don't have anything that close.

Houston is a game above Seattle, but it's Houston.

They always win the division.

If you're agnostic, jump on that.

Brewers train, Brewers, best team in baseball.

Who doesn't like an underdog from a middle market?

Yeah?

And those uniforms I like them classic, Yeah, just classic blue and yellow.

Tomorrow the Dodgers do take on the padres your stadium, first pitch at seven.

Listen to all Dodger games on AM five to seventy LA Sports live from the Gallpin Motors and Broadcast Booth, and stream all Dodgers games in HD on the iHeartRadio app.

Keyword AM five to seventy LA Sports.

I heard Rick Monday talking with David Vasse yesterday.

Apparently David Vasse would like to learn to play the drums, and Rick Monday's wife actually plays the drums, has an entire drum set as well.

Fun fact you'll learn listening to Dodger pregame's Rick Monday's guy.

One of those voices that you don't get anymore, you don't get on the radio.

He may be the last great voice on the radio.

He's He's a guy you and you're talking about the tone of voice.

The tone of voice, the delivery, his stories, will.

Remind me of of fantasy camp stuff and back in the old days minor league baseball stuff, because stories were what made the day go bye when you're watching minor league baseball game was the stories.

And he's full of them.

Right, I mean, don't sleep on David Vasse.

It's not what I'm trying to say.

He's building as a gem in his own right.

But he has a usable library.

He is a youth.

But do you want to do the yacht club story when we come back?

Yeah, you know, we never got to what were we your pilot?

We're fing around about what were we.

Even talking about before we get to drinking?

Drinking?

Ah?

Okay, well I want to do the pilot story.

Got it?

FM kids.

We're gonna talk about them yacht club kids.

And I wanted to talk about this story because I thought I would know your reaction.

And I think I just got it.

Okay, so we'll do it later pilot story or the the kids.

Okay, got it?

I think you hate those kids, the yacht club yacht club kids story?

Am I right?

Do you hate those kids?

Not gonna answer.

You're gonna have to figure it out.

We are still standing by President Trump is expected to make some real marks from the Oval Office today ahead of tomorrow's big summit with Vladimir Putin.

Gavin Newsom is expected to speak on his redistricting plan slash scheme that he's got cooking up.

We'll talk about that a little bit later in the show as well.

Were you gonna have a whiskey or no?

No?

Why?

Oh?

Because I had said something about drinking on a Thursday.

Yeah, no, okay, because we do have some in the office.

I know it's been there for years and there are a really long time it goes to bay, Right, it's going to turn into water.

Does it really?

I think whiskey is going to last forever?

Right, it'll evaporate if you leave it on the top.

You've go to that off.

We're not monsters.

Oh, I've seen weird things in that office.

Does whiskey last?

Come on?

Come on?

An open bottle of whiskey can maintain its quality for months or even years if stored properly.

But we've got Jack Daniels.

It's like the Twinkie of whiskeys, right, Like that's doesn't bad.

There's also twinkies in the in the snack draw.

Now stop it go down there?

Are you serious?

Cupcakes?

Ding Dongs?

Not ding dongs?

Cupcakes?

This cupcakes?

What the cupcakes called cupcakes?

Hosts, No, that's a different thing.

They're just cupcakes.

Why did the cupcakes have a name?

Why didn't the cupcakes get a name?

Is their cupcakes?

What has the show become?

I don't know if you heard the last forty seconds.

But.

You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI AM six forty.

Okay, so listen to Ethan's day break.

Breakfast for Ethan consists of bread and a teaspoon of butter.

For lunch and dinner, it's beans, lentil, soup or pasta.

That sounds gassy.

He's alone, it's not like.

Yes, he lives in a single room in a Chilean Air Force barracks WI FI spotty at best.

Ethan has only been outside for an hour over the last six weeks.

He's also on that diet, has lost twenty pounds.

He is twenty.

He's an American pilot.

He is a content creator, and he's been trapped at this Chilean base on King George Island off Antarctica since June twenty eighth.

Apparently Chilean authorities detained him there and accused him of landing his single engine Cestna there without authorization.

However, we not heard about this.

This week a judge approved the deal in which they agreed to dismiss the case if Ethan pays thirty thousand dollars to a children's cancer charity and does not re enter Chile for the next three years.

But how's he going to get off the island.

It's winter in the Southern Hemisphere.

The island is a crusted, windswept landscape of ice and snow, temperatures well below freezing, frequent snow showers.

You just can't pick up and fly to South America over the Drake that is the treacherous body of water between Chile and Antarctica, known for rough weather and poor visibility.

And there are commercial flights in and out, but they don't fly in the winter, so he's going to have to wait until the winter is over before he can hop a ride on a commercial plate commercial flight.

He cannot fly his own Sesna off the island because it has expired life rafts and life jackets and lacks an anti icing system, and they don't know if he'll have enough fuel, only they don't have fuel for his sesna there.

He doesn't want to leave without his sesna.

He believes he could reach South America that he does have enough fuel.

So there's a standoff here.

And he's been sending spending ninety nine percent of his time alone in his room, downloading books like the Science Fiction Foundation series by Isaac Asmov.

Which is if I'm not mistaken about a group of people on a remote planet, yeah, all by themselves.

He should he should do Project ail Mary, because that's also someone trying to save humanity very remotely.

He had been on a mission to fly to all seven continents, hoping to raise one million for cancer research.

That sounds like a drop in the bucket, doesn't it.

Documenting his travels on Instagram, where he has one point four million followers.

He began the trip in Memphis in May of last year.

The Instagram chronicles misadventures like engine troubles, storms, detention, and me and mar as well as happy moments like posing next to the pyramids in Egypt.

Antarctica was the only continent that he had not landed on when he took off from Punta Arenas back in June.

At the end of June, was planning to fly to Ushaya in southern Argentina.

Instead, he landed hundreds of miles away at Teniente Rodolfo marsh Martin Airport at Chilean Airfield on that King George Island, and that's where they detained him and accused him of submitting a false fight flight plan.

They said he never intended to take the way to Ushaya and instead intended to land without authorization, and they said that the actions jeopardized public safety.

He cannot leave the base without an escort.

He does not speak much Spanish.

His Chilean hosts have been teaching him the language, but mostly swear words.

Come on, Monchakula, You're supposed to say something, not just let that just sit there so I get kicked off.

The ratio Wi Fi can be unreliable, he said.

It's hard to communicate with family in the United States.

When he turned twenty last month, he was all alone, but the Chilean host on the base brought him pieces of chocolate and a small makeshift cake.

It doesn't sound like it's too awful.

It doesn't.

If there's cake and chocolate, you're fine.

And the idea of you know toast toast for breakfast.

That's okay, toast sounds great.

At a piece of toast yesterday, it was delightful.

Beans.

I had this, by the way, you know that sourdough San Louis sourdough.

Yes, I've had that loaf of sourdough and refrigerator for like a year.

That's not good.

That's probably not bread.

But I had a piece of that toast yesterday.

It tasted brand new.

It tasted totally fine.

Trader Joe's has an actual sandwich loaf of sourdough that.

Is really good, isn't it.

I've had that.

It's that one is dangerous because I'll just eat that loaf like that loaf will enter the home and disappear within twenty four hours into the home.

I like the kind of bread that is good, but you know better after it sits for a year in the fridge, there's nothing wrong with it.

What do you mean now it's time to let that bread go?

It was fine yesterday.

Why would I let it go?

There's like six pieces left.

You're gonna end up what founding a plane if you're not careful.

I'm fine, okay, all right, thank you for worrying about my gut biome.

Well, it's it's a it's need it needs some improvement.

What check, it's fine.

Uh, we will be talking.

Oh, I'm so excited about this story the future killers, about how AI can produce who's going to be a killer.

We did this before.

Speaking of Isaac Asimov, I think it's an Isaac Asimov that sounds about it.

I'll get it right, I'll get it right.

But Minority Report was an old movie.

Uh, based on the book obviously, but an old movie with Tom Cruise that described just this predicting future.

Dick, thank you Philip Dick because he was the guy who wrote I Robot.

Philip K.

Dick.

Yes, important, phil Dick.

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There's day supposed to be buttoned up.

We've got this Russia summit going on, We've got Gavin Newsom's Dog and Pony Show.

We've got fire, we have Alaska escaping the flood tons of important things to get to.

And here are you and I.

Morons Morons, Hi, Gary and Shannon.

This is David and Rancho Kukumonga and I watched Hunting Wise the other night.

Uh oh, And I would expect Shannon to watch trash like that.

But Gary, I'm deeply disappointed in you.

Thank you, thanks for letting me check in by now.

Wow, did I hear unconditional love?

Like I expect her to suck?

But it's fine.

So the whole plot of Minority Report movie from back in the I want to say, early two thousands, maybe ninety eight, ninety nine, something like that.

People are arrested based on a vision that a clairvoyant has about a crime that has not yet been committed.

And the little bit there's three clairvoyants.

It takes two out of the three of them to see this image of you committing a crime for the police to go out and arrest you.

The minority report refers to in one instance, it's just one of the three who comes up with a face.

Does Tom Cruise as the police officer have the right to make the arrest or.

He's the one who's accused of the crime and they're coming after him.

The details are sketchy, but it's that it's this science fiction y kind of world of predicting crime in the future.

Well now in twenty twenty five, it is a smart algorithm making the prediction, analyzing your data to just whether you have it in you to become a cold blooded killer.

There are no algorithms that can predict to a murder will definitely take place, but computer programs are already being used across the world to identify people or places at a high risk of criminal activity.

The UK government is currently developing a murder prediction AI tool to identify those at greatest risk of committing a homicide.

Now I ask you, this, is this just proactive profilers that exist in law enforcement agencies now before AI, not that we're at a time of before AI, but profilers that work for the FBI.

Let's just say that can go through profiles and tell you who's most likely to become a killer or an offender, or they can dig into different terrist cells and identify leaders or you.

Know what I mean, Well, do you mean are they doing it?

Are they just coming up with a profile or they at specific people?

I know they are doing that that there are people who do that.

Yeah, I'm just saying, is this the AI version of those people?

It sounds like it, But it sounds like what AI is doing is taking the profile that it would develop and then identifying individuals who would fit that profile.

For example, I mean, think about the traits, the mental traits that are often associated with somebody who's going to commit a crime.

Psychopathy, of course, the dark triad psychopathy, narcissism, and machiavelianism, being manipulative and exploitive, exploitative to get power, and all of those traits come with a desire for more power, probably better put as a desire for control over something.

Plus the selfishness that comes in manipulation, lack of empathy, all of that.

This is not a joke.

Just raid state houses are all over this country.

Not a joke, not a joke.

I mean, listen to this hunger for power and control, self fishness, manipulation, deception, lack of empathy.

That's a politician in many cases, or people who work in radio.

Yeah, but we don't have power or control.

And if you think you're going to get it in radio, you belong in some sort of asylum institution.

We all have some level of these traits, right, we all.

Clinical levels though, of narcissism and psychopathy are rare.

They say it's somewhere between one and five percent would have some sort of narcissism and one percent of the population would have psychopathy.

The clinical levels of psychopathy, referred to as an anti social personality disorder, are common among criminals, including murderers.

About fifteen to twenty five percent of male prisoners in the United States are said to have anti social personality disorder.

So if you can develop a program an algorithm that is able to weed out that antisocial personality disorder and you identify some individual or individuals with those disorders, and then you can also ascribe to them, and again it would be a really soft science.

But the narcissism, the machiavellianism, if you could do that, you're looking at someone who has a high potential to commit crime or more than average potential to commit a crime.

All of this is nothing new.

We've talked about this before.

Narcissism are all the things you just said, We've talked about those being the major ingredients in the recipe for a killer profilelaers have talked about this, Criminologists have talked about this.

What's new, Well, this AI may be breaching new ground because researchers at the University of Cambridge have tested this super learner and ensemble of twelve different AI models, and what they're looking at is details from domestic violence pl police reports, and the details in the police reports were able to using just the details in the police reports, this AI conglomeration was able to correctly identify about eighty percent of cases that eventually resulted in domestic homicide.

So this AI model took in all of these police reports of DV which are a dime a dozen, and was able to find, for the most part, the ones that would eventually lead to murder.

Some of that would be baked in, right, I mean, you're rarely going to get a domestic murder without lower levels of violence leading up to it.

But eighty percent is still a ridiculously high number that this thing was able to figure out.

The They're also going to look at broader data on individuals, not just people involved in domestic violence situations.

And here are the things that they're going to take into account.

First police contact, like how old they were, history of domestic abuse, whether they were the victim or they were the aggressor, mental health, addiction and disability, all of those things.

They're using this around the world.

Germany and Switzerland they have forecasts there about where burglaries are likely to occur based on past data, so you can preposition patrol units.

I'm going to connect that again to that Minority Report movie.

That system you're talking about Germany and Switzerland is the pre crime Observation system, and they refer to as pre cobs with a B.

The individuals, these clairvoyants that are used in the movie Minority Report are called pre cogs pre cognitives, which is weird that they would use something as similar as this fictional thing.

In the United States, we've got the Correctional Offender Management profiling for Alternative sanctions.

They call it COMPASS, and it assesses the likelihood that someone awaiting trial, defendant a waiting trial or sentencing would reoffend within a couple of years.

Another one, Geolitica, uses crime data to identify potential crime hotspots.

If you heard the term first police contact and thought this is racist, you're not alone.

There are clear ethical problems for using these programs.

They have been heavily criticized for being biased and racist.

If you're a young black boy, you're more likely to have first police contact before me a young black girl.

It's just the way the world works.

But that is going to weigh against you in the algorithm.

There's something that the algorithm does not account for, and it's something that I think we should spend a moment on, and it's the fact that some crimes can be triggered, yes, but can be prevented by something that you can't quantify.

That AA I can't quantify.

Talk about that when we come back.

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We're talking about AI being trained to spot future killers, already making accurate predictions, but on a very very small scale, taking different personality traits, running them through a machine, seeing if there are individuals would fit those profiles, and then you know, grab them up before they actually hurt anybody.

Let's get down to what's wrong with it, shall we?

There are flaws in the tools commonly used to assess dark traits in prisons forensic settings, that many of these checklists and manuals are simply based on outdated science, according to experts.

For example, dark traits can manifest differently in women, yet most assessments are designed around male behaviors.

Also, oh and I found this to be fascinating and important.

Many crimes can be triggered or prevented by small, unpredictable factors in someone's environment.

Here's an example.

Imagine two fifteen year old boys with similar psychological and social risk profiles.

Both are socially isolated.

Both are considering a school shooting, but just before the planned attack, one of them has a chance encounter with a stranger.

Maybe it's someone who offers a kind word, asks how they're doing, simply acknowledges them.

Just that connection with another individual who recognizes them could make someone change their mind, and an algorithm or AI will never be able to predict that predict murders accurately.

Because of that, no matter how much data we have, the human factor I found that interesting.

The human factor is what AI cannot account for and how important that human factor is.

When you think about just going back to Gary's golden rule, just don't be a d you know, say hello to people.

You never know what a smile or a hello or how do you do could affect somebody.

It's funny because they refer to different areas where AI would work really well.

For example, self driving cars.

Self driving cars.

If that's all you had on a freeway, that would be utopia because self driving cars would talk, the computers would talk to other computers, and with millions of calculations per minute, you're not going to have accidents.

I mean, if you do, it's going to be much lower rate, I mean exponentially lower rate than you would find with humans.

But because there will be humans on the road next to those self driving cars, you can't account for that.

Human nature is just too random when it comes to trying to figure out what's going to happen next.

They refer to a couple of different studies that looked into that.

For example, you know how many people in the United States would visit the doctor if they had flu symptoms, and the algorithm they used looked at about fifty million.

Google search queries to make its forecast.

It was less accurate.

The machine was less accurate than the simple approach of well, how many people went to the doctor of the week before?

Right, that's it.

The other thing is, and it's probably something maybe that you deal with when you raise children.

I would assume this comes up if your kid is getting emotional or upset or overwhelmed by something.

You try to just batten down the hatches, right, just try to calm them down, because you know that it's a feeling, and feelings can feel very powerful, and they can make you feel like you've got to act right away or you've got to freak out right away, and just give it ninety seconds.

Most of the time, it'll pretty much pass.

From day to day.

Your filter or your ability to know that changes, so where you could be a high risk person one day, you could be a completely different person when it came to your risk the next day, just based on emotions and when you're paying attention to them or when you just let them go, when you react to them, all of that, and that's also something that a computer model can't do well.

And remember, even if you're able to identify somebody who has that psychopathic tendencies, who is a narcissist maybe has the Machiavellian traits to them.

Even if you find somebody who hits on all three of those, the percentage of those people who actually commit a murder is tiny, right, So, and they use an exam sample of a doctor James Fallon, a psychiatrist, who wonder when a brain scan discovered that he had psychopathic features and through no fault of his own, that's just the way his brain lined up.

And the question is why didn't he kill somebody?

Why didn't he become an offender of some kind?

Is it as simple as adding in that human factor?

And it's funny that you mentioned, you know, kids, because maybe he just had good parents, or maybe he was in you know, the home that he was in, whatever it was, was healthy, and he had strong friendships when he was growing up.

Despite the fact that his tendency may have been to be more psychopathic than his friends were.

There's something about it that prevents people from from committing the crimes that they would otherwise be set up to do.

Yeah, so the crapshoot really, well, it's going to set you off?

Is it going to set you off?

Maybe it doesn't set you off like you.

The LAPD I only have bad days every once in a while, so I don't know.

What I'm gonna get from day to day with you.

Yesterday you came in, you were all over the place in a bad mood.

Today you seem to be fine.

But I don't know what's under the surface.

I'm just hiding.

I'm just hiding the feelings.

Since your daughter, it's your baby daughter's twenty third birthday to day.

You scratched that dance itch, and I'm afraid that I'm just gonna have keep dancing.

You should keep dancing.

RELIPD has used has used this before.

They used something called pread poll.

Now we referred to it as geolithica.

I mean it is basically predictive policing using algorithms to analyze crime data and then to predict where crimes are likely to occur in the future.

I think Verbank PD did that for a while as well, and all they would do is literally put cops in those hotspots so that they could hopefully deter crime.

But if it did occur, they were on it right away.

They said that they quit it, that they gave up on it.

At least LAPD did, because, among other things, it was eroding community trust if you were just assuming that crimes were going to take place based on what the computer told you.

That kid on is that the price is right?

Uh?

Yes?

That kid names is?

That kid named?

Is his name Keenan?

I think his name tax is Keenan?

Do you think I was a kid named after Keenan Allen?

Where else do you hear the name Keenan?

I don't think that kids.

He is old enough.

No, I was gonna say he's too old.

I don't know.

That's strange.

Would it be cool if you were named after an athlete?

I'd feel like you'd have a lot of weight on your shoulders right, like to.

Not a lot of athletes named Gary?

Who is is there an athlete, Nail?

I'm sure there's somebody, but I couldn't tell you.

Off to a good one.

I was named after Shannon Sharp.

It's a quarterback, Gary.

I'll think of it swamp watch when we come back to Gary and Shannon.

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