Hello, everyone, and welcome back to Castle Bravo, a Godzilla Versus retrospective.

I'm Derek.

And I'm Charlotte.

And we're two siblings here to examine the history of the Godzilla franchise one movie at a time.

With the exception of today, because today is going to be kind of a retrospective of a retrospective, A retrospective squared, if you will.

Obviously, you know, elephant in the room.

There was yet another gigantic gap, you know, and we're kind of warming things back up and we figure do a little bonus episode like this is a good way to kind of warm us back up before you go back in the groove of things.

It's a way to buy time during the holiday season.

It's now December as we're recording, you know, so we're still trying to put together the the Tokyo SOS recording time to get back on an actual regular release schedule.

But yeah, that's that's where we be, Charlotte.

Yeah.

How you doing today?

Doing all right.

Doing all right.

Doing all right it.

Feels slightly loaded.

That's a loaded question is what?

It is Eric.

It's been.

How long has it been?

We recorded, we recorded the last episode that actually came out, which which came hit the feed only recently ish, but that got recorded back in like late April.

I think it was shortly before South of Midnight launched.

Was that?

'Cause it was before packs it.

Was after I moved though, right?

You were no you were about to move.

You had to do OPSEC and not reveal when you were moving, which was like a week or so after.

OK, yeah.

So it's the beginning of April.

Yeah, it would have had to been.

OK, Well I've moved.

Yeah, you moved.

I moved.

How'd that go?

Don't.

Say it like that.

Don't say it like that to me.

No, I mean, look, I don't I don't want to like go too in depth with like the heaviness that that hit either of us.

But like we both experienced shockingly bad times in the aftermath of of of that last episode.

It's not been a great spring summer for us, and fall has been mixed results, huh?

Yeah, Yeah.

I think winter is going to be OK.

I think it's that's I am reaching stable.

You know, it's been it's been tumultuous.

Yeah.

Let's use that word.

I'm in.

I'm in a different place.

I have, I know I have mentioned my wife in the past.

I don't have a wife anymore.

It's it's been a lot.

But hey, you know I'm I'm here.

Congratulations, you're a divorced podcaster.

Fuck.

Yeah.

I mean, you know, it's what it is.

Like it, it's, it's funny.

Like I, we, we joke, but like, I'm glad, like I'm not happy for the things that happened and the, and like that things went down, but like, it's, it's just clear that it was not something that was going to last and be like sustainable.

So like, better to figure that out, you know, better to be free to figure stuff out, you know?

Yeah.

So you're right.

And then of course, on my end.

On your end.

On my end, my head kind of a little bit of an NTB, which I know like we keep saying like I I get for real now.

I mean, yeah, like I don't know.

I don't want to get like crazy into it, obviously, but I had one extremely bad night where a lot of things broke at once and I was basically a set of clothes away from being little Nas X, running around naked in the street screaming on substances.

Thank goodness for the pants, because that might have been a very different night had there not been pants.

But yeah, I, I had.

I had some shit happens, some shit break, some some at the time really important relationships break and it kind of did some shit.

But you know, I mean, again, like I, I wanted to take the summer to like not do shit because I knew, like I was feeling unstable, I was feeling insecure and like I didn't want to be like making a bunch of shit.

I wanted to focus on like what went wrong?

What is the shit I got to work?

Like, how do I, how do I, what's the autopsy right?

Of like what happened?

You know, of and, and I mean, like the answer is that like people are messy, right?

Yeah.

The, the, the, the, the people that that I had to split from are not monsters.

You know, they, they fucked up and they did some things that that I, I don't like, but like they're not bad people, they're just messy.

I was messy.

I didn't do things right either.

I, you know, and I think sometimes, especially when you live in a space, this has been like a big thing that I've been really like philosophically working on in my head is like recognizing we live in a space where we have a tendency to turn interpersonal drama into existential drama, right?

And, like, you can't just, like, have problems with somebody or not fuck with somebody anymore.

It can't just be that, like, somebody has to be a problem.

Somebody has to be a threat.

And like, yeah.

I've been.

I've been dealing with that too actually.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

My own version of.

That you've seen like, and I think you've been through that a few more times than I have.

Like I've not really been as I've been on the outside of that.

I've I've seen when like and and and I think even correctly clocked sometimes when like I hear that somebody is like, quote UN quote a problem or a threat.

And I go like, is that true?

Or is this just like interpersonal bullshit?

You know, that has, you know, y'all got in a fight or y'all disagreed about some stuff or whatever, you know, because like, I've been, yeah.

And I just, I just think like it's, it's, I've been thinking a lot about that.

And I've been thinking a lot about like, how easy it would be for me to be like feeling vengeful and like tell a bunch of people how shitty like such and such people are.

And like, that's not true though, you know, and that's not appropriate.

And like, you know, it's, it's yeah, I don't know, this is like a complete aside to anything Godzilla related.

But like, I guess out out of like crisis and out of like a, a pretty serious like schism, you know, in, in my friend group, I'm like recognize and really like I, I split from like 3 people, right?

Like I think maybe 4.

But like, you know, I think I was worried like nobody was going to fuck with me.

And it's like, no, like, that's not, that's not what happened.

Like most, you know that's that's you can you can you can break up with a couple friends and it not end the world, right, You know it.

Can get harder than their friends that you you know if if you're involved in anything together and that also takes a hit but.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But like, you know, how many times before and how many times in the future, I think like at the time it felt like fuck, like, you know, we, we keep losing people.

And it was funny because like, again, like you, you lost people really close to you through like irreconcilable differences, right?

We kind of both went through different versions of that.

But like, the answer is that's just a thing that's going to happen.

That's the thing that's happened before.

It's a thing that will happen again, you know, and it's not a reason to like not be out there.

It's not a reason to not like build community.

You know, that's that's the angsty teenager response is to say I can't let people be close to me because, you know, I'm just going to get hurt again.

Like, no, that's what it means to be human, you know?

Listen, I I was tempted.

I yeah, that didn't last very long, babe.

I got to tell you.

I know.

It didn't.

I was tempted for about 30 seconds.

Yeah, I was going to say, I got the life updates.

I heard about the revolving door of, of, of people you were suddenly hanging out with.

It was like, OK, no, you, you've, you've spread the social butterfly wings pretty damn quick, which is good.

It's healthy.

It's a good thing to do.

Yeah, no, like I have, I have friends like here that I like to hang out with.

That's good, See.

And we do things.

Important I I've kind of, we connected a lot with the Louisville friends.

I've, you know, touched base with a lot of folks that I'm, I'm like digitally connected to and like, yeah, like community continues to exist.

It's just going to be really funny because you said winter is going to go well, and it's really funny when I deal with seasonal depression as bad as I do if winter.

If this fucking winter is the best part of my year through the seasonal depression arc, that's going to be so fucking dark.

Listen, I mean, I'm in the same boat.

But like, I have therapy and pills now, you know, that I didn't have that last time.

Also, like last year's seasonal depression arc, you know, starting shortly after Thanksgiving and going through the winter and basically not letting up until after, like, shit broke, Right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, that that was, like, unusual.

That's not, that's an outlier.

That's Spider's George for depression.

That's not, that is the Spider's George of depression.

That's not, you know, indicative of how that normally goes.

Usually I'm just a little bit gloomier and have acid reflux.

It's not, you know.

You only have acid reflux during seasonal depression.

Yeah, I only get it in the winter that's been going on since the old Best Buy days.

Interesting.

Yeah, I don't know why, but it's it's pretty consistent Once I catch myself that I'm going through Tums like like I'm starting to like, oh, I need to buy some Tums.

It's like, Oh yeah, it's it's time.

It's here.

The cold sad has arrived so.

That's really, that's really interesting.

I don't.

Human chemistry is so strange.

So that's that was that was the gap was was I had a crisis and then as I got better, Charlotte had a crisis.

And now we're getting back together and unfortunately, you know, Sam Tolbert, our our previous guest who was on for Godzilla against Mechagodzilla and is supposed to join us for Tokyo SOS.

It's kind of going through some shit right now.

So like hopefully we can still make that work out.

If not, like I look forward to finding a spot for Sam in the future because he's a great bud and it was great having him on for Godzilla against Mechagodzilla.

But this gives us, this gives him a little time and it gives us a little time to warm up.

It's a good time.

Yeah.

So what I wanted to do today, Charlotte, I wanted to have a retrospective on the retrospective.

I wanted to go back and kind of look back at the eras we've been through and think about the movies that actually stuck with us the most out of each set 'cause there've been winners and losers in each set.

I like, I think we've liked most of these movies quite a bit, but there's still winners and losers out of each set.

Yeah.

So.

The funny part's going to be when I have an answer right now that doesn't line up with anything I said during the episode on that movie.

Yeah, but like, that's that I I think that's fast actually.

Those are the ones I'm most interested in.

Like anything where maybe your opinion has changed since.

So like I do kind of want to maybe just hit like each movie in a row.

But I think a lot of these are stuff we're not going to have a lot to say about, right?

Sure.

Yeah, we can do that.

But.

We'll start with when we're going to have a lot to say about or, or actually maybe not, the original Godzilla 1954.

I mean, it's a.

Fucking masterpiece.

It's solid, yeah.

Like, I don't, I, I think if you go back to that episode and listen to what we said, I, I don't think my opinions have changed at all.

Like.

Yeah.

It's it's haunting.

It's, it's great.

I think it's it's a classic for a reason.

It's it's haunting, it's well shot, it's it's groundbreaking for its time.

I think it's it's interesting to pull apart like different political takes on the movie.

And I'm sure there are people who disagree with our take that like we came away from that movie being like, holy fuck, there's a lot of like humanist like that.

We continued reading in our ways through Honda's filmography.

But like, you know, I think it's even if you disagree with us, you have to agree that it's interesting to read, like to watch the original Godzilla and be able to see those aspects of it in there, you know, so.

I mean, I would hope that if, if you're somebody who's super into Godzilla, you would have the type of sensibilities where it's interesting to see other people's takes on it, even if it's not your take.

I don't.

Understand how there's right wing Godzilla fans?

That's kind of what I'm getting at, I.

Don't I don't know how that works, but I, I, I mean, I get that like some of these movies are very head empty, no politics, but like the ones that are so far have had pretty specific consistent fucking things to say so.

Yeah, I mean, it's the people that watch Atragon and have very specific feelings on it, you know?

I think most people didn't watch Atragon to be real.

With you all right that's fair like I just.

Don't think it was that, but I think like the ones that don't star Godzilla are obviously the less popular ones.

You know, there are people who absolutely skip those episodes in our retrospective looking at the at the listen counts.

So and that has borne out over time.

So I can I I don't have a lot to say about Godzilla raids again.

I mean, it was, it's, it's set a bar.

It's one of the cruelest things you can say.

It did set a bar.

It set a bar.

Yeah, like it's, it's not like super good, but it's just not.

We saw so much worse, like it's not good, but we saw when when these movies were bad, they were they were worse than this for sure.

Right.

I think that it it ends up being like low middle by the time you're done.

Yeah, maybe like the exact like 25% mark up the scale.

Right.

Yeah.

But I just like I walk away, you know, they were they were experimenting with how they wanted to even have the concept of monster fights.

The suits were mostly a mess, like Angiras especially.

They didn't Angiras dies after like 20 minutes.

Yeah, it dies whatever, you know, it, it just didn't work.

But like, it's fine.

It was, it was just the most like we made a sequel.

The The studio wanted a sequel.

But listen the next movie.

Yeah.

Really sad.

Yeah, Rodan.

Rodan fucked with me a little bit.

My opinion on Rodan has not changed even even the slightest.

But it like, again, I think a lot of my opinions are going to be pretty static because most of these are movies I had seen many times before and Rodan already was like one of my favourites of the the early era.

So, you know, not shocking, but I, I think maybe we were reaching a little bit looking for themes in there.

It's I haven't, I haven't gone back and listened to that episode in a long time.

But like, I think we were looking for themes where they were maybe a lot less obvious and a lot I was like, well, we say that, but isn't that the movie where like Japan was warning like China and Korea about Rodin approaching?

Yeah, I mean that was.

That's a choice.

Yeah, it is.

So, like, it's not necessarily a deeply political movie, but like, I think that's where we were like, OK, we're seeing some consistency here.

Honda's back in in the seat.

And he continues to like very intentionally portray a, a, a scenario that cannot exist with the political tensions of the current day.

And it was almost this like, and call it an over read, but it's almost this defiant like presentation of a, of a, a world where that's not the case.

Right.

Yeah, I'm with you.

I mean, he he does.

He did that quite a bit.

Yeah.

You know, it's he he liked to portray the world that he wished that he lived in.

Yeah, Rodin, I think in the grand scheme of things is not like it's still 1.

I think very fondly of, but I don't think it's getting like a star beside it, right.

Like I think there are there are bigger.

If I'm going to think about the the real motherfuckers of this era, Rodin's just a good one.

Yeah, Yeah.

I'm with you on that.

I think that it's pretty solid.

You know, I'm going to use the word solid a lot today, I think, but.

There's a very Workman like quality to some of these movies.

You know where?

Like, like, it's just, it's just good.

People showed up, they did a job, they did a job pretty good.

They made a a solid movie that didn't blow your mind but was like a good time.

There's there's not a consistent level of quality, but like it when they hit, they tend to hit pretty solid.

Yeah.

Fuck, I'm doing it now, God damn it.

Yeah, well.

So what about the Mysterions?

This is this is one that that at the time I'm I don't think I'd seen the mysterions.

I can't remember if I had or not.

I think I I knew of it but hadn't seen it.

I'm trying to think I feel like this one didn't stick with me very hard even though it was so different.

You know what it is?

It's it's, I think at the time, like I remember you having a lot more to say and being a lot more engaged with it.

But also it was like the first of these alien invasion movies.

And Godzilla would do that so many times through the Showa era.

That's kind of the deal, yeah.

Like.

It's.

What stands?

Out I'm remembering all of them as like a whole now and I'm like yeah this was one of them this.

Is the one where they were dressed like Power Rangers kind of pre Power Rangers?

You know, Moghera's in it, but like it's a version of Moghera that that is, I think way less impactful than the version we would get later.

Yeah, it's not the one I think of when you see Mogara.

Yeah.

It's not the one Mogara thinks of when he says Mogara.

Exactly.

So, but like I, I think the mysterious is, is, is one I've maybe cooled on a bit since, but I'm very glad that we watched it, that we engaged with it.

I think it was really interesting to think about that through the lens of Honda working at like the comfort women stations, right, You know?

Yeah, yeah.

Which again, call it an over read, but like, I think sometimes that's the fun is like taking the things you're saying and trying to like read the tea leaves for what's there based on what you do know.

Like that's, that's that's that's engaging with art, baby.

Yeah.

I mean, if you're not going to do that, then no, you know, that's not true either.

I was going to say like, I don't see as much of A point, but that's just how I feel about art.

Some people might just want to engage with art as it is.

I mean, yeah, I like, I, I guess there's not, I want to say there's not a wrong way to engage with art, but then there are right wing Gundam fans, you know, So how that once again, I, I don't know.

But they're there, you know, but also like, I think that's, you know, and that's been a big part of this for me is art reacting to art.

What am I trying to say?

I think it's been important to like use this as an exercise to try and engage with these movies on a deeper level, you know, as much as is possible, because I think in the era that we increasingly find ourselves in, anti intellectualism, anti media literacy is like rampant.

And the way to push back against that is to to freely and jubilantly engage with like movies, with games, with books, you know, with, with the things that people create, that human beings create and engage with them both as the creator intended and to try to find your own read like, you know, it's not that deep, bro.

But like, it could be.

It could be in the in the process of finding it deep where there can be that depth is a part of the human condition to me.

So yeah, which is a shame that the next movie on our list was not fucking deep at all.

It.

Was pretty unbelievable.

Varon the unbelievable.

How depressing.

I.

This got to be one of the worst ones we've seen, right?

If not the worst, it's not the worst.

Oh my God, I remember.

There's a couple later.

This is not the worst, but it's bad.

I I think it's a good poster boy for like the low end of these movies though.

Yeah.

That's how I present it because I mean, sometimes I talk to people about the fact that I'm in a podcast.

It's not, you know, sometimes.

But you know, when, when, when they ask me about the movies in general, because usually the people that want to talk to me about that are pretty enthusiastic about the movies.

You know, I I will usually say, well, they, they range from very in the unbelievable to Mothra or something like that, you know?

Yeah, because it's just how I feel about it and.

We're going to come back to that shortly because that's interesting.

But yeah, like, Veron's just like, And again, like, Veron was the first one of these that seems almost like it was, I'm not going to say sabotaged, but like, it's a miracle this thing made it through to the end, given the production history.

And I have some sympathy knowing that this is something that had to basically be slapped together out of nothing at the last minute.

This is a very troubled production.

But like, the end result is still maybe that's like the miracle of Honda is that he he managed to take unfinished bullshit and make something that worked as a forgettable monster movie.

Yeah, 'cause like some of the ones later that are bad are not forgettable bad.

They're unforgettable bad.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, but yeah, so after Veron the unbelievable came Mothra.

And it's, it's really interesting that you you say that like you see Veron as one of the scale and Mothra as the other end 'cause I, I really like Mothra.

And I think this is the one that inflamed a lot of my like, oh shit.

There's a lot to read here, but it's not one of the ones that first comes to mind if I'm thinking of like the upper echelon of like the franchise as a whole, right?

Yeah.

And I mean, I think that.

But I think it hit maybe hit you different than it hit me.

I mean, I like it a lot.

I continue to like it a lot.

I think that it's kind of the same as Varian in that I think that Mothra is a good poster child for the good movies, you know?

I think it's sad more people haven't seen the original Mothra.

Yeah, it seems like it's pretty overlooked by a lot of people.

And like, it's good.

Like, it's, it's Can you imagine going through the rest of these and not having seen the original Mothra?

Like if you just viewed Mothra as a, a side character for Godzilla, even though it's what she becomes, you know, if you hadn't seen what she sprung out of and knowing it's based on like an adventure novella, like published in a serial magazine that we'll never read.

I think it's crazy.

Yeah, That's, that's, I don't know how that even works from a rights and licensing standpoint, but bless him.

I think it's also where we started getting like really funny characters and moments out of Honda 'cause I remember Mothra being funny.

I remember like the, the, the, the, what's the journalist guy?

They call him the snapping Turtle, right?

And he's such a character.

He's such, he's such a dude.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I think that was the first sign of like, oh, Honda's got a sense of humor that's going to very intentionally insert itself in a lot of this.

Yeah.

There's a lot of these.

I'm looking ahead that it's just like so many because so many of these early ones didn't have Godzilla at all.

So people just skip past them like I'm looking and obviously like our next one we're going to talk about is Gorath.

And I was like, oh, that's one that people didn't watch 'cause it didn't have Godzilla in it, but like, God, that movie lives in my head rent free.

It's weird.

Yeah, it's like, weird, Yeah.

It's weird.

I still think it's kind of nihilistic.

I think the like cosmic horror of this runaway celestial body that is going to destroy the Earth.

A movie fit ends with only 1/2 victory with with the earth still effectively in ruins.

Just everyone didn't die all at once is so you know I think about like cosmic horror, right.

I think about Junji Ito health star Remina.

You know, I think about that's.

What I was going to bring up actually.

I think about Lovecraft and like, you know, the yellow sign and Carcosa, you know, and and Gorath as like this cosmic portent of doom that is slowly approaching.

I Did you watch the new Fantastic Four movie?

Yes, it did.

How the fuck do you not like if you've seen Gorath not watch that and like directly see the DNA of like the slowly impending cosmic doom.

Here is our countdown clock to when the world ends because the space thing came and and absorbed the earth like.

Yeah, I mean there, there's definitely a straight line between those two things.

I kind of want to hear you.

You said you were going to bring up health * Remina and I kind of want to 'cause you're like you're, you're an ITO freak.

So I mean, I am too.

I'm not.

That's not a pointing finger.

Here's your what?

I said I'm so normal.

That's not true at all, but.

Well, you're not supposed to agree with me.

I mean, it's just that that's what comes to mind 1st.

And I don't even remember because God, that was like, wasn't this years ago now when we talked about this movie?

Yeah, yeah, like 4 years I.

Don't remember if I I don't remember if I brought up health Star Remina surely.

That is like.

Surely I did, but I don't remember.

That's just the thing that comes to mind for me now when you say like big impending cosmic thing is that and Gorath and you know, I I would be.

I don't actually know how much of a fan Ito was of Godzilla, but it would be very I'd be shocked if he wasn't based on some of the stuff he's made.

It's it's also like we have to remind ourselves again, this is like a different pop culture, right?

This is the pop culture of Japan that we are experiencing out of time.

By the time these movies became like broadly available for, you know, to be cult classics here in the US, it was many, many decades after.

But like, we know The Mysterions was hugely influential on Japanese sci-fi as a whole.

You know, we know Gorath, we know Atragon is crazy influential.

We know that War of the Gargantuas is like internationally influential.

So like, I don't think it's about whether or not you're a, a fan of Ito was a fan of Godzilla.

I think it's just a matter of like, like, how could you grow up in the West and not be influenced by Star Wars?

Does that make sense?

Yep, it does I'm.

Not necessarily a Star Wars fan, but you cannot take the the influence in the language of Star Wars out of my out of my creative library at this point, so.

Yeah.

And and you know, a lot of these non I kind of want to go like non linear for a moment and kind of address a bunch of these non Godzilla movies at once because we have Metango, Atragon, Degora, Frankenstein versus Berrigan, War of the Gargantuas, and then eventually space Amoeba.

And like some of these are a couple of these are stone cold classics.

And then a couple of them exist.

Like, we found a lot of mimetic joy in Degora with, what was his fucking name, the whitest boy in Japan with white boy superpowers.

The guy who just, like, told the guy, no, leave through the window the way you came in.

OK.

Like, you know, I think that movie, I don't know if that was intended to be funny.

It's just.

Mark Jackson.

Mark Jackson, That's a very, I mean, it could be that's a white boy name.

He has a fedora.

Yeah, he would.

Damn.

It's the 1960's.

The the, the, the connotation's different.

But like Mattango, Mattango is one that like I just think of as like a great horror movie, you know, right.

Attragon's a little messy, but like it being like the most full throated anti nationalist movie of the and again, like the Gotango itself, you know, big flying ship with a drill on the front of it.

Question this absolutely does predate yeah space space battleship Yamato was way after.

I mean, yeah, that makes sense.

So, you know, again, the we made we made a, a, a World War 2 battleship that flies is super influential at this point.

And maybe more of that's on Space battleship Yamato than Atragon, but like that's that's a part of the language now.

Yeah.

And I mean, it's, it's pretty normal for something to to be just a really good idea and somebody else to do it.

And that becomes famous and that becomes the thing people point to.

But like, yeah.

You know, You know, you invent the slasher with Halloween and then Friday the 13th becomes like the famous one that codifies it.

You know, right.

What I I kind of want to know out of all of these like coming non Godzilla movies that were kind of connected, like which of these kind of stuck with you and which ones didn't?

Metango stuck with me.

Yeah, I'm.

It's Romero.

It's a fucking Romero movie like.

Yeah, yeah.

And I mean, you know, I, I'm, I'm super into body horror.

So people getting turned into spore mushroom creatures is kind of the IT hits it's.

Like pretty good effects wise.

The the the one dude on the island already who that, who like comes in the night who's like half transformed and has all of it like growing out of him.

I mean, you know, look, the Last of Us is like a huge thing right now, right?

And that's literally what Mitango is, is just we have a fungus that infected people and took over their brains and made mushroom zombies.

Right.

But, but, but this isn't like much more directly about like capitalism and about the the moral failings of the upper class, you know?

Yeah, as as these movies tend to be, yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, honestly, like Dobara also sticks with me.

That's interesting a little bit because because of the design of it, of the monster.

Yeah.

It's just an interesting idea, you know?

Yeah, I don't know.

I I don't, I see The thing is, I think it like parts of it hit me and parts of it don't.

There's a couple of those shots late in the movie where it's just the tentacles coming down out of the sky that are that's what I.

Think of.

That's so striking, such great, like cosmic horror imagery, but then they show the whole thing and it's just superimposed footage of a jellyfish, like a weird long jellyfish.

Yeah, yeah.

But like, but man, the scenes where it's just tentacles coming down out of the skies, pretty fucking cool, I'll give you that.

Yeah, I mean, that's just kind of, that's what I think about more than anything else, I guess 'cause like I.

Just think of the crazy.

Monsters are never I.

Was gonna say I just think of the craziest white boy to ever do it.

That's true, too.

Yeah, Mark Jackson, it's a situation where, and this happens a lot, where you have a titular monster and the once you show the whole thing, it just kind of, you know, it just kind of sputters out a little bit.

And that happens more in horror than it does in other things.

But yeah, yeah, it's like rare that that you get the full picture of the thing and it sticks.

You know, that's, that's, that's always been the struggle with horror is how do you make the design keep its impact?

You know, and I mean, short of being short of having HR Giger make your fucking design, that's a really difficult thing to do.

So, you know, here's the thing.

We, we skipped over King Kong versus Godzilla and I, I cannot bring it.

I I cannot form a fucking opinion about King Kong versus Godzilla.

It's fine, I guess.

I don't know shit.

I remember some some scenes from it.

Yeah, I mean, like, but that's not a high bar.

No, I remember a lot of things, good and bad.

That's how memory works.

I experienced it.

I guess there are people out there where King Kong versus Godzilla's like a big like, you know, I got Dad.

This is like an important one for him.

This is why we had him on is like this.

This is connected to his childhood and then some very specific fun memories while while like in the military and and being overseas.

But like, I don't, you know, from my perspective as somebody who came to it later and like I didn't see King Kong versus Godzilla until I was an adult until it was like past the year 2000.

You know, actually really, I think the 20 tens.

So like I think it's impact was like you had to be there for it.

Yeah, I mean, that makes sense.

That's I feel like until I feel like I need to word this delicately are.

You worried about getting cancelled?

No, don't worry.

I already gave an entire spiel about how how, how we all cancel each other at the very beginning.

That's going to get taken in bad faith and very out of context, so.

I hope not.

No, I just King Kong as a design is like, to me, it's always been like, it's fine.

Yes, it's a big monkey.

It's just a big.

Some people are really passionate about big Monkey but like.

Some people are.

I don't find myself being that passionate about big monkey.

Like I think that he's he he's an interesting monster to pair to fight.

A fire breathing lizard.

Yeah, one of them clearly has an advantage over the other.

It's not the big monkey.

Yeah, it's not like spoiler, I don't know if you've seen Godzilla versus Kong the monster verse one.

Not the new one, no.

OK, well, so there's that and then there's Godzilla X Kong, right?

Those are two, those are two different.

We haven't seen either of those.

OK, fucking spoiler alert.

Godzilla versus Kong.

You have everybody was so like, I'm, I'm team Godzilla, I'm team King Kong.

Like King Kong gonna gonna buy, you know, like this and that.

And then the movie comes out and it's literally the entire movie is about like, oh, Godzilla's gonna RIP that monkey to shreds and the like, like it's not even a question.

That movie basically goes You thought this was even billing?

Right, like.

It's going to be really fun to get to that.

Kong It's like a gauntlet or a mechanical arm or something.

I don't.

That's a Godzilla X Kong, which is incredibly stupid.

I I enjoyed it, but it's stupid as shit.

We'll get to that.

That's so far down the road for us, but like, as far.

As that's in a few years.

King Kong's appearances here, Like I don't really care about King Kong versus Godzilla much in the 60s.

And you know, he finally comes back for King Kong escapes.

And I think the most interesting thing about that movie is the way that it's like a super racist yellow peril, like pulp adventure, like Jungle film.

Is it is it is it can it be yellow peril If well, I it can be because the Japanese are very racist against Chinese and Korean people.

But like.

Yeah, they are.

Like like famously the most racist in the world towards the Chinese.

Nobody hates the Chinese more than the Japanese.

But like, it's, it's just such a, like that's a, a, a very weird point in the filmography.

But there's nothing to do with King Kong.

You know, King Kong's is there.

So I I don't think we've hit the point where King Kong and his relationship to Godzilla is necessarily like that interesting in film.

I think that's just a thing that we've like thematically latched on in the like Internet pop culture.

Everything crosses over era in the Ready Player One era.

I hate that that's a set of words I used.

Please don't call it that.

But am I wrong?

No, you're not.

It's dark, yeah.

This is this is what started on on the playground.

We were all like, well, who would win in a fight between?

I guess you're right.

We've always been doing this, you know?

But man, it has gotten stupid these days.

Yeah.

Motha versus Godzilla.

I think Motha versus Godzilla's in my top.

Like if you, if you make me put a top five, I like, I, I think that has a solid chance of ending up in my top five at this point, like.

You know, yeah, yeah, it's.

It's fucking good.

It's it's good.

It like codified the version of Godzilla we would be seeing for a long time and energy of Godzilla we would see all through the 60s and then kind of repeating through the 80s and 90s where this is almost like the energy they would come back to, you know?

Yeah.

Godzilla as, as morally neutral destroyer and man, I just, I think about that fucking scene with the vault and the two dudes like as Godzilla's approaching and going to kill them by destroying that hotel like that's in his path.

And instead of evacuating, they fight and they fucking kill each other over money in like the, the, the way that it's shot makes it very like you, you don't need a narrator to sit there and tell you, you don't need somebody to sit at the side and say like, oh, it's depressing that they, you know, it's so sad that these men's hearts were so, you know, no, you just, you show like a, a brutal, ugly fight over stacks of dollars.

Meanwhile, out the window, you see Godzilla approaching like, And that's how you you sell it.

Is this?

Yeah.

Is this the one where they asked if if Motha had power of attorney?

I think so.

I think so.

I think so.

That's a good line, yeah.

But like.

Yeah, I'm with you.

Actually I'm it would be.

I'm thinking about it.

It would be a good run like Martha versus Godzilla's really good.

Ghidorah the three headed monster, really good.

Invasion of the Astro monster really good up to destroy all monsters.

Like all of these Honda LED Godzilla movies had such a like continuous energy from Motha versus Godzilla up through Destroy All monsters that I just I really fucking like.

Yeah, I guess I didn't really think about it as like the the thing that set the tone for that long, but it did, yeah.

Yeah, And like, we got some breaking up, but I mean, that's because of a different director.

That's June Fukuda coming in and doing Abira, Horror of the Deep and then Son of Godzilla, which I I guess are the only two Fukuda movies before Destroy All Monsters.

But like, you can't tell me those two are so close to each other but so far from what Honda was doing with Godzilla.

Yeah.

Like Fukuda was out here ripping lines of coke and doing movies from the fucking 60s.

Yeah, yeah.

This this stretch.

Before we get into fucking silly territory, what's your favorite one out of the lot?

We didn't really talk about Cadora.

No, we, I mean like some kind of kind of jumped over it is that, is that your favorite out of the lot?

I'm trying to think it's hard, right?

I do like Ghidorah 300 monster.

I like the the Honda doing his thing with the fake nation.

Right.

That just like where is that on a map?

Don't worry about it.

Yeah, it's fine.

You know, fucking Ghidorah as Galactus, which he would never live up to ever like.

I I remember feeling like Ghidorah should have been able to do more or something.

That's my.

Yeah, I think, I think.

Kind of a jobber.

He.

He.

Kind of is a jobber.

I'm I'm looking look look looking through the entire filmography of what we've seen so far and like Ghidorah basic.

I mean everybody shows up to get their ass whooped.

But like, if I think about the the monsters that really made Godzilla struggle, like I I think Hedora, I think Mecca, Godzilla, I think Bayalante, you know, I think Destroyer.

But like, I don't Ghidorah just kind of gets his ass beat a lot.

Yeah, and you know I come from other media, right?

I came from the video games and stuff and I liked playing as Ghidorah.

Cause Ghidorah's sick and it's a fucking three days golden space dragon with a weird ass fucking roar.

Yeah, and I feel like that the when when I was like, oh, we haven't talked about this.

It's because like part of me wants to be like, Oh yeah, that's my favorite Ghidorah, isn't it?

But like, I love the concept of Ghidorah more than the actual like on screen Ghidorah.

Even though like I like Ghidorah, you know, it's just, I feel like there should be something more to that.

I feel like it's kind of like a little overblown.

Which is weird because it takes Godzilla, Rodani, and Mothra fighting together to beat him the first time.

It takes Godzilla and Rodan the second time.

Like Destroy All Monsters is about it is about him getting fucking completely curb stomped, getting American history axed.

But like it takes damn near every monster we've seen so far doing it together to just like fucking gang fight him.

Godzilla doesn't really fight King Ghidorah in a one-on-one until the 90s.

It's it's it's like it's a good fight.

Like it is like a tough battle but like it still ends with Godzilla fucking turning him from a three headed dragon into a 2 headed dragon like.

Yeah, yeah.

You know.

Yeah.

And I mean, I I think that Ghidorah's like sticks with me more than some of these other movies did.

I think Adore as a monster does, absolutely, yeah, maybe more than any individual movie he's in.

Yeah.

I mean, it's it's MOTHA versus Godzilla.

Yeah, I, I think so.

I think so.

I it's like I think that's the best.

I love basically every even Son of Godzilla.

Which God fucking why would you introduce mania Mila?

Like that's I'm we're cursed with the knowledge of his existence.

But like even that one's like a pretty good time.

And partially it's because the baby does get hit in the head with a rock.

That is a child abuse Smoofy, where the child abuse is very funny.

It's fine.

We were both abused when we were young.

We can laugh about it.

Yeah.

OK, maybe I can laugh about it.

Shit.

Well, Derek, I, I, I'm still getting therapy spun up, OK?

We got, we got, we got to get you rolling with that shit.

They have to change my insurance over.

I can do it now anyway.

Yeah.

You know what's funny though, is like you pass destroy all monsters and just it just immediately becomes a clown show for a while because Godzilla's revenge.

Oh, God, I'm trying to even think of what I Oh God, why did I put the effort into into editing together the world's only copy of that in HD?

Yeah.

You're autistic.

That's true.

That is the thing that's true.

I this there's never been a Blu-ray release of the American version, Godzilla's Revenge.

So as a reminder to folks who maybe either missed that episode or it's been a long time, or maybe you've just started recently and haven't gotten there yet.

That's weird.

Yeah.

If that's you.

Yeah, hi.

I took the Blu-ray version of of All Monsters Attack, which is the Japanese version of the movie, and then took somebody else's like AI upscaled credits, which were like much cleaner of of the American version, but had like a an abysmal audio track.

And I went and found like a DVD copy of of the American version and ripped the audio track out of that and remastered and cleaned it up myself and synced everything up to the H, you know, the HD footage.

And it's like, it's a massive undertaking and I have no idea why I did that for fucking Godzilla's Revenge.

Easily the worst movie out of this list.

We will not see a worse movie than Godzilla's Revenge.

I feel like your effort would have been better spent doing anything else, but you know, we, we, we had a good copy of the movie to watch.

So it would have been better spent going to therapy earlier, but that's where we're at.

But that just kicks off this weird clown show of like Godzilla versus Hedora, Godzilla versus Gigen, Godzilla versus Megalon.

Like it's such a weird run.

And and and my first instinct is that Godzilla versus Guy again is maybe like more serious than versus Hedorah versus Megalon.

No, the fuck It's not.

A dude gets held up with a baked potato.

Yeah, like.

The main character is like a shitty shitty comic artist who turns his incredibly hot and supportive girlfriend into a monster by and calls her a nag for no fucking reason.

Hashtag justice for Mammagon.

And they bomb the Godzilla tower with a full size like like 1960s spy show version of themselves drawn on paper like draped in front of a fucking elevator full of dynamite.

God, yeah.

So no versus Gaigen's, not the serious one.

All three of these are clown movies.

Yeah, I kind.

Of love them.

They're fun, you know, they're they're clown movies are fun.

Though Hedorah's weird as shit, right?

Weird animated sequences and and nightclub dance sequences in huffing huffing fat fat clouds ripping factory bongs.

Godzilla versus Gigans, a fever dream.

Godzilla versus Megalons, the gayest movie we've seen in this entire run.

Yeah.

You know, I'm kind of curious about your your feelings about the Mechagodzilla duology that closed out the show era.

I mean, I really like Mechagodzilla, actually like Mychagodzilla.

'S so fucking cool.

Yeah, like I think that's I was going to mention that.

That's a highlight for me.

Yeah.

Mechagodzilla.

Terror of Mechagodzilla is hard.

For it not to be I think.

Terror of Mechagodzilla is like one of my favorite movies in this franchise.

It's yeah, it's there was, there was.

So the the fucking Sequoia Amphitheatre here in Louisville, right?

Does like free movie nights through the summer and they did a double billing of Godzilla -1 and Terror of Mechagodzilla and it was the most like who targeted me because I don't feel like a lot of people put the weight on Terror of Mechagodzilla that I do.

But I fucking love Terror of Mechagodzilla.

The scene of them doing the surgery on the girl and the chest is open and it's got like the gears and the inflating shit and it's meaty and is such a a Honda was on his shit with that one man.

Yeah.

Plus old Mechagodzilla, so cool.

I don't want to cast aspersions on 90s Mechagodzilla.

I don't even want to cast aspersions on 2000s mecha.

I do love Kiryu.

Yeah, I like I.

Love Kiryu.

I cannot stop thinking about the stuff you and Sam said about it just being Evangelion.

Like he's just a one but a Godzilla and it's just true.

It's just a a statement that is accurate.

But man, 1970s Mechagodzilla is some shit dude.

Yeah, just a so for for season 2, I know we we we kind of glossed over it a little bit and maybe this is weird of me, but one of the highlights of season 2 is Abirah.

Yeah, that's, that's interesting.

I can see it.

I really like Ibera, but like I want I want to hear you elaborate it.

Just has to do a lot with the because it's a line of Coke movie.

There is They do decide that they need to get a boat, and they're going to get a boat by winning a dance competition where everybody dances for three days straight and is like suffering medical emergencies on the dance floor.

It's just like that movie is so quintessential to the era.

I feel like it just has a lot of the stuff that I would connect with being a 60s movie.

And like, some of it's just stupid, but I think it's OK that it's just stupid.

You know, like a lot of the the movies we were just talking about are really silly.

Well.

Those are all Fuka movies as well right?

Like Fukuda took over well, not versus Hidora, that's Yoshimitsu Bano, but like versus Gaigen versus Megalon the first versus Mechagodzilla with goofy ass king CSR like our our Fukuda films so.

Yeah.

And I think that the reason that they stuck out to me wasn't just it was it was because they weren't Honda movies.

Yeah, the energy's so different.

Honda is like a classic, very serious.

Like he's got a sense of humor, but his sense of humor is a little bit more wry.

And June Fukuda showed up to the 60s to fucking party.

Yeah, like Honda has an older energy.

I, I don't, I, I'm curious actually, now that we bring this up, if there was much of an age difference between Ishiro Honda and June Fukuda.

So Ishiro Honda was born in 1911 and June Fukuda, not the not the Composer.

1923.

So it's like 12, so 12 years, 12 years younger.

So it is it is a decade of difference.

Which makes sense because like I think of Honda as like the sci-fi of the 50s and even carried forward into the 60s.

His 60s movies were like 50s pulp sci-fi dramas with with 50s style alien invasions and Fukuda was was a decade later.

His ass was in the 60s and 70s.

Right.

People were showing up in Fukuda Films dressed like it was No One Lives Forever.

Fucking Austin Powers going on in these goddamn movies.

I love it.

Yeah.

So.

Yeah.

And then it just, it sticks with me, yeah.

It's funny.

I don't necessarily think it's like better than the other movies.

It's just like that's like thematically and this is the way everything looks sticks in my mind.

A.

Lot Yeah, it it it had I, you know, I think we spent a long time.

I know I did.

I spent a long time being like a because we had this long, almost completely unbroken stretch of Ishiro Honda movies, right?

Except for Godzilla raids again, which we didn't like.

So then we're looking ahead at a beer, a horror of the deep.

And it's like, this is the one where we lose Honda again.

What is this going to be like?

And instead it's this like breath of fresh air.

It's like good.

It's different good.

It's a different vision.

It's a different energy.

And it was like, oh shit, we're in good hands.

Like there is a relief to watching a beer, a horror of the deep, in this order, in the way that we were doing things.

I wonder if that's part of it.

Yeah.

But like, it's good, it's a good time, it's fun.

Like, I think the freshness of it matters 'cause I don't think that movie ever hit as hard as it did watching it in release order this way.

And maybe that's what primed me to like Son of Godzilla more, right?

I like a lot of the monster.

Like, I love Kamakris and Kmonga, I love a lot of the action sequences in Son of Godzilla, but I never liked the movie itself that much.

But I think it was primed to be like, Nah man, Fukuda's making fun island adventure movies.

Let him.

Let him.

Let this man wear his Hawaiian shirt and fucking cook.

Yeah.

Did Jude Fukuda ever wear a Hawaiian shirt?

Probably not.

I I mean maybe.

If I googled Jude Fukuda Hawaiian shirt, all I get are references to the one guy's Hawaiian shirt in in the Son of Godzilla.

I do have.

I'm going to send you.

This is a great photo.

This is a great photo of June Fukuda.

That only goes further Proof.

Oh man, this man was laying pipe.

Dude, you can't tell me otherwise.

Oh yeah.

Oh my God.

I love this man.

Turtleneck is crazy.

The fit's going so hard.

He's wearing like for for our listeners, he's wearing like it's like a gold shirt that's like incredibly textured and very gold underneath this like light brown leather jacket that is very leather.

And also the gold shirt is a turtleneck and he has the biggest aviators you've ever seen in your life on.

Yeah, the gold, I can't tell if it's like almost looks tweed.

Yeah, I don't know what texture that is, or I mean it could be cable MIT, like this is a low res photo, but like whatever's going on this dude, this dude was confidence.

Yeah.

And then we have our big long break before we come back for that, that in retrospect, relatively short 80s and 90s run, huh.

Yeah, compared.

To the other two.

'Cause if you count just Godzilla and the movie's Godzilla appears in not the other stuff in Showa era, you get 123456789 10 if you can't Godzilla's Revenge 1112131415.

And then in the hey say area you get 123-4567.

You get, you get half, you get half the length.

Yeah, with really none of the the the spin offs in between.

But what a fucking run.

Do you remember how afraid we were of the 90s coming up to it?

Yeah.

Of like the 90s was a bad time for nerd stuff.

I don't like how much nostalgia we have for the 90s when by and large it was pretty bad.

I feel like a lot of the nostalgia that we have for the 90s is just because allegedly you will connect the happiest period of your life to roughly the age of 11.

Some study was done and said that.

And so when you're our age and you're 11, you know, we were just fresh out of the 90s.

But, you know, we were already like, ah, you know, I kind of miss when I was even younger and I didn't have to do things.

Yeah, we hate doing things.

I do hate doing things.

I do really hate doing things.

I, I think, I mean, it's, it's the time of our childhood, right?

And like, that's what it boils down to.

And culture took a weird turn in the 2000s onward.

Like we're starting to see a point where there are people who are nostalgic for like the aughts, which is crazy to me.

But then again, the aughts aside from music was not a good time for me.

And the music doesn't hold up so.

I don't think I really, we're, I'm so off.

We're off the rails on this.

It doesn't matter.

I'm, I don't feel like I really engaged with a ton of pop culture from the odds.

Yeah, I 'cause I mostly was, I, I did not have enough money in my family to get new stuff.

Yeah, I mean, you dove into like games and like emulation especially.

Like for you, it was very much a a looking back, you know, I was, I was lucky luckier that like financially we were doing a little better, you know.

So like going to theater was a pretty normal thing.

Getting the newer games was still a thing that was kind of happening.

Like we weren't rich, but like we're solidly middle class but like music.

If I wanted to get a new game, I had to go trade in all my.

Games.

Yeah, yeah.

But I mean, I, I digress.

Like the 80s and 90s Godzilla, I think I was shocked at, like, how good that run mostly was, you know?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like we watched Return of Godzilla and we were like holy shit this is just really good.

This makes me hate Shin Godzilla even more.

Godzilla versus.

We still haven't hit.

We still haven't hit that.

I still haven't been for.

Years.

They're gonna come for me.

They're gonna come for me.

I have a potential.

We'll we'll see Justin.

We'll we'll talk later.

But yeah, Shin Godzilla might have some special stuff lined up depending.

That's coming up though.

But then like versus Biolante, fucking masterpiece, fucking production masterpiece.

You know, like I think every one of these are production masterpieces.

It's just that like versus Mechagodzilla 2 was maybe not written as well, and then versus Space Godzilla was maybe not written.

That's the end of that sentence.

OK, yeah, I was weird.

Space Godzilla's another one of those monsters that I thought looked really cool.

He's a cool idea.

He's a very it's not a good movie.

It's a cool idea though.

Yeah.

It's Godzilla from space.

He makes crystals.

He he played well in those pipe.

Works.

Yeah.

He was a unique, weird, very powerful character if you figured him out.

What am I going to do to get a fourth Godzilla fighting game?

What am I going to do to have somebody pick up that mantle?

Didn't you used to know like the guy?

I mean, I used to like talk pretty regularly with Simon Strange, who is like lead character designer right at pipe works.

I might be getting his title wrong, but like Simon Strange was famously like pretty.

He he engaged a lot with like the community and fandom around those games.

He loved Godzilla.

So like he was a, it was like, it's, it's like I knew I used to talk to Matt Frank a lot.

The the artist who's now like relatively big because before he got big, he was just like a guy who was very popular and well, not very.

He was just very present in Godzilla circles and drew like pretty solid fan art.

So there's a lot of people out there I'm not like uniquely close to.

There's a lot of people out there who got to know Simon relatively well at the time.

So gotcha.

I wonder how he's doing.

I'm not going to look that up.

It's probably depressing.

Nobody's doing well these days.

I.

Was going to say maybe.

Yeah, maybe.

Don't.

Yeah, maybe don't, but yeah, the 80s and 90's, the fact that they actually lived up to the image in our head of like remember the 90s when it was good?

Yeah, it actually was for Godzilla.

What's what out of this set.

I mean, look versus destroy it, not counting versus destroy it because it's that's not fair.

That's the the winner if you take versus destroy it out like which which like couple pieces of the hey say era, whether it's like a whole movie or like an aspect of a movie, really stick with you.

It's hard for me not to be really endeared to the rebirth of Mothra.

Trilogy Oh my God.

And fucking what's her name?

Belvera fucking icon.

The fact that it's just a Belvera trilogy of the of this fucking Duranjo ass bitch becoming the hero that the that the world needed.

Love it.

Yeah, and I it's, it's just, you know, I, I feel like every single Mothra movie is something that I liked.

The second one's a fucking disaster.

Like I like it, but it's a fucking disaster.

Well, OK, yeah, I'm not talking about like when I when I talk about that, I mean like, I like that trilogy as a.

Whole.

I do know it.

Yeah, yeah.

But then, like, yeah, like, Godzilla versus Mothra in the 90s is like, incredible.

Yeah.

I think what the taking the fucking Ferris wheel to Godzilla like it's a steel chair.

Yeah.

Oh my God, that really good set piece in Godzilla versus Motha where the the egg hatches and it's in the ocean and the the larva has to like fight Godzilla around the the carrier is like a really great, like conceptualized action set piece.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I.

Yeah, I which?

Which one stands out for you?

I mean, like I think it's hard because like it's versus by Allante, right, and and that's that's like a very popular thing to say.

So I feel like the hipster in me is crying, but it's a just a fucking gorgeous movie.

It's weird, it's haunting.

It introduced this absolutely gorgeous concept of like night shooting that we would see consistently through the Heisei era.

Like to this day, if I want to tell somebody, we used to, we movies used to be real.

We used to actually shoot movies.

Well, I could show them a night shot from Godzilla versus Violante, and it just looks better than anything anyone shooting nowadays, you know?

Yeah, but there's also always going to be a part of me that's really fond of the time travel loop fuckery of versus King Ghidorah.

Yeah, I I enjoy.

That I do think it hurt our brains unraveling that fucking spaghetti, but you know, it's, it's very rewarding to play with, whether you're whether the take is there's any validity to it or not.

Like it's messy time travel in a way that's fun to play with.

Yeah.

Remember, we hurt Errol's brain a few times on that one too, yeah.

I noticed that there's something you and I just have not said a word about that's in the.

Fucking 98 Godzilla.

Yeah, the fucking 98 Godzilla.

You know, here's the thing.

I kind of, I kind of really like that movie.

It's just not fucking Godzilla.

Like it is.

I, I, I think I remember saying at the time, like it, it hit me literally as we were talking about it, it's a King Kong movie, not a Godzilla movie.

Like it's fundamentally the people who made it didn't know what Godzilla was.

And their frame of reference for dry monsters was King Kong.

So they made a King Kong movie where the monster's a lizard instead of an ape and everything springs from that.

And like, I think that's fascinating.

I think it's one of the most 90s movies that has ever existed.

That's true.

Like there are some movies that are timeless and there are some movies that came out in 1998.

Yeah, the Matthew Broderick in that movie is like a snapshot, you know?

Yeah, yeah.

It's like the tail end of his popularity, kind of.

Yeah.

'Cause it's well, after Ferris Bueller, I don't think he'd been super relevant for a bit.

It was like a he was still a big name, but he wasn't like an old guy actor yet.

He wasn't like making guest appearances on sitcoms yet because he couldn't get into Hollywood.

But yeah.

And then like several cast members of The Simpsons.

What did you mention that at the OH?

Yeah, Oh well.

Hank Azaria is the cameraman.

Oh, yeah.

And then Harry Shearer, who is also like a shit load of voices on The Simpsons, is the, the, the, the head guy at the fucking news station.

That's a sexist pig.

And his secretary is Lisa, I think.

I can't remember the actress's name.

Yeah.

Like, it's intentional.

It's weird.

That is odd.

Yeah, there's three of those fuckers in that movie.

Yeah.

But like, it's interesting to go because it's the movie that killed the franchise nearly, right?

Nearly.

But that brings us like that.

That brought us to where we've been in Season 4, where like Godzilla 22000 was the the break glass in case of emergency button.

And since then it's just been a struggle to keep an annual release out, like kind of without a plan.

And it's been so mixed results so far for the the the Millennium era.

You know, it's funny.

Godzilla, Godzilla 2000 was like solid, like just go listen to these up because they're fucking recent.

Go listen to all these episodes.

But you know, it's it's just it's it's interesting how you listen through season 3 and listen to like the pending the 98 Tristar Godzilla is the star Gorath of that season where it's on the horizon and we know it's coming.

And we keep talking up behind the scenes stuff where they're like, well, Sony had the rights to this to to do a Godzilla.

And you know, so they like were like, OK, it's not ready yet.

Let's make one more Japanese Godzilla.

And then it arrives and it's fucking it.

It arrives with a Taco Bell and Doritos campaign.

I remember that.

You remember, you remember the fucking the Taco Bell Chihuahua, which in hindsight, we shouldn't have done that.

We, we, we shouldn't have had the the racist Chihuahua mascot for Taco Bell.

That feels really bad, but there's a lot about the 90s we just don't interrogate in the early 2000s.

Yeah, so I mean, it's just that's the kind of the the lens that you have to look at it through though, 'cause when when people are saying, you know, unabashedly that it was a good time, there was a racism was a lot more prevalent.

It's a.

Good time to be a middle class white kid, you know, like it's, it's kind of never been a great time to not be white in America, you know, which is like a thing that I understand better.

Like as I hit middle school and high school and started making more friends who weren't white and like talking about serious shit and got kind of broken out of that but.

Yeah.

But like, yeah, it's, it's, it's just been, it's been a fucking journey so far.

It's been lovely going through all of these movies.

It's been lovely.

Like having this exercise of like a way for like me and you to get together and to get to get together with other people and, and flex our brains and try to have a little more fun watching these movies than just being like, yeah, that was good.

Yeah.

I liked when they took the Ferris wheel to Godzilla, like a steel chair.

Even though it's a thing I said out loud minutes ago, it is good.

I just also like, if you listen to that episode, we have substantially more to say about like the environmentalist themes and the idea of like the Earth as a thing where like humans are a holistic part of the Earth versus explicitly like a thing that must be excised from it.

Right.

You know, Batra as environmental terror, eco terrorism, But like we've got we've got some interesting stuff coming up ahead.

Obviously, you know, our our last episode was Godzilla against Mechagodzilla and we have the second Kiri movie coming up that I'm I'm really hoping, really hoping we get Sam back for but if we can't, we'll we'll figure something out.

We're going to get this moving again.

Final war, like some of these ones coming up is crazy.

We got Godzilla Final Wars coming up.

We've got the fucking 2014 Legendary Godzilla, Shin Godzilla.

We have that weird Netflix CGI trilogy.

Like we got some weird shit coming up.

We got some weird shit coming up.

Yeah, and then I don't, I have very little to go off of for most of those I've seen, Shin.

Godzilla, Yeah.

That Netflix Godzilla trilogy is either going to really hit you or it's going to not.

And I don't think it's gonna, but I don't know.

Why do you feel that way?

There are some ideas that are really fucking sick.

They start to get onto some steins gate shit right in terms of like, not not in terms of like playing with the same stuff, but in terms of like, Oh, y'all are y'all are really dripping with crazy ideas that you want to pack into these movies, But I don't think they pull together, which makes it interesting that like eventually Godzilla singular point the the actual traditional anime comes out and does a lot more of that like weird, archaic sci-fi shit, but is a way better show.

It's something we've been you haven't seen yet, but you've slightly interfaced with 'cause it's the Super robot wars.

Why?

So it's, it's going to be really interesting to get to Singular Point eventually 'cause we are going to cover Singular Point.

I know we've been doing only movies, but like, I think Singular Point is important enough that it's worth doing.

I think that Monarch Legacy of Monster series on Apple TV is like important enough that it's worth doing.

You know, in terms of the like, it's not worth going back and watching fucking the 90s Godzilla cartoon, you know?

But like, Singular Point's fucking nuts.

And Super Robot Wars Y is not covering as much of that as I thought it would like.

By the time you even meet Jet Jaguar, you're already on like version 4 of Jet Jaguar.

He already has the Lance of Angiras.

Oh.

He doesn't.

No, no, they've they entirely skipped like this, this major fight from early in the show with Angiras when he shows up because Angiras has precognitive powers in singular point.

It.

It has precognitive defenses, which means it is nearly invulnerable effectively.

And fighting it's like a puzzle boss fight.

It's crazy.

Singular point's a little nuts.

I'm so I'm so excited to get to some of some of this crazy shit going on.

And I don't remember if we've talked publicly about like season X, but like I still think that's a thing we should do.

I don't want to, I don't want to like talk too much about it, but you know, I think this is a fun idea.

I'm thinking about it.

It's a thing that can just be a me and you a lot easier to organize thing, you know, and I think a couple of those I'm telling you, you look, you look on this list, you look at 9/10/11, some of the best movies we would watch in this entire series.

What do you mean entire?

Series like of Castle B9 episodes 9/10/11 for season X here this is This is great for people who don't know what we're talking about, but I think that's fun.

Enjoy the fucking tension.

9/10/11 Here is These are better movies than most of what we've watched so far.

That just seems like.

You think that you think that until you watch them.

It'll be so wild if we do Season X.

But but yeah, we got we got fun stuff coming.

I don't know if there's any other major points you want to hit on before we call it.

I don't think so.

We're going to try to get back into it.

I think it's going to be.

The timing sucks shit because it's the holidays now.

So like, if we're going to get Tokyo SOS done and out before Christmas, it means finding a guest who's going to be like, I don't want to say finding a guest who doesn't have family.

But like, OK, so if we end up with a guest who's not Sam, actually, whether it's Sam or not, whoever shows up, don't listen to this episode.

Because oh, but I'm glad to be moving again.

You gotta watch what you see, no?

No, this I, I famously, it's a good thing that I like if, if I was gonna get actually cancelled for like horrific beliefs, it would have happened by now because I wouldn't be able to hide them.

I don't have a filter.

And it's, that's when some people say that it's because they're racist and I say it and it's because I have, I'm a, I'm a few pugs short of a grumble, if you know what I mean.

So, but I'm, I'm excited to get back up and moving.

I'm excited for some of the next stretch of guests.

Yeah, it's going to be a good time.

So we're going to we're going to hopefully have this out while it's still the holidays.

I don't want to wait long to get this one out.

And then hopefully we'll we'll have the rest of season 4 moving along at a pretty regular pace from here out.

And then we'll take our break after Godzilla verse.

So again, for the rest of season 4, that's Tokyo SOS, Godzilla, Final Wars, the first Legendary Godzilla, Shin Godzilla, Kong Skull Island, the Netflix trilogy, Godzilla King of the Monsters, and then Godzilla versus Kong kind of ends out our season 4, which made a lot more sense before they kept going with the monster verse, but here we are.

Yeah, 'cause we kind of should have known better, but I think when we discussed this, we were like, and then they're done.

It's also like the correct amount of movies for for one of these in terms of a season length.

And there is a bit of a gap.

Season 5 is going to be the forever season, basically when we get to it, 'cause we'll just eventually be caught up is the crazy part.

Which is that is crazy because it's taken us years to get to.

Yeah, yeah.

But like we'll eventually be at a point where like a Godzilla movie will come out and we'll hit up a couple like a friend and we'll we'll do an episode on it and then be done for a year or two.

Then we'll have to think of things to do in between then.

Yeah, we have thoughts.

We.

Do have thoughts?

I guess that's what I got.

I've forgotten what the outro.

Is that's a lot of that.

That's a lot of to God.

It's a lot of God.

It's, it's, it's been an hour.

It's, it's like I said, it's a retrospective of a retrospective, which is maybe a little incestuous, but you know, good way to warm us back up, get a little gas back in the tank.

Be ready to get rolling.

Be ready for me to actually bring the required energy to fucking drive this train for future episodes.

Here's where.

Sorry, I'm stuck on you calling it incestuous.

Is is it not a little bit?

Oh, the the word choice is poor, I grant you, but it's self it's an uroboros a little bit of you know, we're making a podcast out of our own podcasts.

But so with that, that's a wrap on this episode.

I I found the outro script.

Thank you all so much for joining us on our journey so far, and thank you all for the patience.

The gap was so long, Charlotte.

We had somebody who who commented on the most recent episode, Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla that they found us during the gap and they thought that the podcast was just dead and that they just had found like an an unfinished podcast that they were still enjoying.

So like, that's very sad of us, but thank you for being patient with us.

Life has happened.

This podcast is fucking free.

Nobody's paying for it.

That's so violent.

It's a true fact though.

We make $0.00 on on this.

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