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Speaker 1

I have to go.

Speaker 2

At twelve third Fossie porn star Charlie Ford has an emergency.

Speaker 3

It's just we're having a makeup and hair drama.

So Lily needs to pick up her extensions and she didn't have enough time to get them before, so we're having to swap times.

Speaker 2

So instead of she's rushing around the living room of her friend's townhouse in a suburban Las Vegas estate, tossing accessories in a handbag and searching for her car keys among an explosion of clothing, her appointment with a hairstylist has been bumped forward.

The countdown is on for the Oscars of Porn.

The week long X Rated convention is winding up and the awards are just a few hours away.

Speaker 3

I'm wearing really pretty, handmade, very bull gowny.

Actually it looks like flower pedals.

Basically clean, very sparkly and not very revealing.

I cover up a little bit for rewards because I like to.

But I don't know, like my fashion sense is not super risky or anything like that.

I think a lot of porn girls actually aren't designer girlies as well, because we have to buy so much stuff for work that if we're buying designer.

Then we can't keep up our wardrobes because the girls often will be providing the wardrobe for companies.

It's not usually styled by someone.

There are only a couple of companies that provide styling.

And I also don't pay attention to price tags, and like, I don't hold in my head what my clothes are worth because other things in my life are worth so much more than my clothing.

Yeah, by the time you get to this last day, everyone's got the bags coming out, and everyone looks like they need a drip of coffee.

Speaker 2

And yeah, she's nominated in an impressive list of categories tonight, including Best International Group Scene and Best Double Penetration.

But there's one particular gong she has her eye on Best gang Bang.

Speaker 4

There were five or six guys.

Speaker 3

Oh no, wait, sorry, no, there were eight guys, two girls, eight guys, and it was a lot of fun.

It was very intense, so my Buttole deserves to win that one, for sure.

I really hope that I get that one.

Speaker 2

What's the difference between a gang bang like that and then like a world record challenge like the one we've seen Bonnie do in the last week.

Speaker 3

What Bonnie Blue did, and the people who were doing the like thousand people.

It's usually one guy after another.

It's like a train versus a gang bang, as everyone in the room at the same time interacting.

I think there are differences, but I don't think that it makes one more exciting or less exciting than another.

It's still an insane amount of people, you know.

Speaker 2

Together, there's an even bigger difference.

The average everyday person has never heard about Charlie Ford's gang bang, but a lot of them have read about Bonnie's in the news headlines.

Charlie checks the time on her phone.

She's running late.

Speaker 5

I don't think I need to bring anything.

I'm just thinking.

I think she has everything from my hairmaker.

Speaker 2

She finally locates her car keys and says goodbye to her two beagles named Lola and Tammy.

Yeah, my little girl who was staring up at her from the pullout.

Speaker 3

So for bed, good girl, I'll see you later.

Speaker 1

I'll come back.

Speaker 5

I can't wait for today to be over.

It's a lot.

Speaker 1

Okay, we go.

Speaker 2

Describe how you're feeling at the end of this week.

Speaker 5

I'm just sleepy, like grateful, happy.

Speaker 2

Charlie may be sleepy and happy, But me, I'm bracing for impact.

I've spent the past week at the center of an industry that's at war with itself.

Tonight the two sides will collide.

I'm still waiting to hear back from Bonnie's team about what time I can go to the mansion to what should get ready.

After all, Bonnie is convinced that this will be her time to shine.

Speaker 3

I've been nominated every year ever since I started working in porn, but I haven't won one.

Speaker 4

So we'll see what happens tonight.

Speaker 3

I think it will come eventually.

I mean, I must be doing something right, so I think it's just a matter of time for me.

But honestly, like, here's the way I look at these awards as well.

Porn is a type of art, and art is subjective, and so I never get upset or feel weird about other people winning because at the end of the day, we're all doing the same thing.

We're all taking dick for money, we're not creating oscars, but we still put a lot of pride into our work.

Speaker 2

Do you feel pressure to get media attention or stay in the news.

Speaker 3

I think everyone has very different marketing tactics, and I steer clear of that.

For me, I try to focus on my personality more because that's what I think makes me different to other people in the industry.

That's my edge, I guess, And so the other the thing that I'm always conscious of is Instagram and Twitter or x and all of those platforms.

TikTok, they're all becoming more and more strict if you could potentially have your entire account wiped.

Speaker 2

Charlie loves porn, but it's not her whole world.

This qualified animal vet says there are some things in her life that stop her competing in what has become a cutthroat battle for eyeballs.

Speaker 3

For me, there's a fine line because I am a doctor and I want to be able to still do that, and because I'm working on a mainstream acting career as well, I have to toe the line a little bit more than a lot of content creators.

Where other people can be a lot more salacious, I have to strip back a little bit because I'm conscious of the fact that I want to keep particular doors open that those would potentially close.

Speaker 2

Over the last few days, when I've interviewed Charlie, she has been hesitant to talk about the rise of rebel amateur creators Bonnie Blue and Lily Phillips.

She doesn't want to speak disparagingly about other women in the business, but it's clear she's agitated by it and she has fraught feelings that are at odds with what's playing out in the industry today.

As she speeds along the highway in her rav four, those unfiltered thoughts spill out.

Speaker 3

My personal opinion when I look at porn and content creation.

Speaker 2

If we are making a film.

Speaker 3

That we're going to go on and sell to anyone, and we are involving someone else in it, I think that other person should either be paid for being in the video or they should receive the content to be able to sell themselves.

Speaker 6

The biggest problem I have with a.

Speaker 3

Lot of the people who are doing these large gang bangs or releasing content with like everyday people is that they're getting consent for im signed, but they're not giving them the content and they're not paying them.

Speaker 5

And when you're twenty five or thirty year.

Speaker 3

Old man and you're making that active decision and your frontal lobe is developed and you can understand what you're signing up for and know that you could get more.

But you're not, then that's fine, that's your decision that you make.

But when you're eighteen and your frontal lobe isn't developed and you don't have the ability to understand that you should be getting paid or you should be receiving the content, then I have a problem with it.

Like if you look at, for example, a young girl comes into the professional porn industry, there's been this argument that will you know, we profit off young girls having sex with people, so why wouldn't we allow young guys to do the same.

But the difference is that those young girls that are working for companies are getting paid to be in that video and then it creates a brand that they can then go on to create a career with.

But these men, they're ending up in porn and it's not contributing to the rest of their life in any greater sense.

They're just in a porno suddenly.

And a lot of them think that masks protect them and masks don't.

It's very easy to tell what someone looks like, even if you cover your face, and so I think that we're in this era where I think a lot of younger people are being taken advantage of as far as their naivety as to how the industry works.

And I think we in the industry have a responsibility to make sure that we protect those people.

So I don't have a problem with filming with young people.

I don't have a problem with huge gang bangs.

I mean, I love doing scenes with lots and lots of people.

I think it's really fun.

But I think we need to be conscious of doing it in an ethical way.

And I think although no one's doing anything illegal, it's questionable the ethics as to what's happening with some people.

Speaker 5

At the moment.

Speaker 3

I mean, here's the thing.

I think a lot of people look at those situations and they don't really know what it is that sits uncomfortably with them.

They it just sits uncomfortably.

But I mean, that's salaciousness.

That's the reason why taboo is such an interesting and like well followed porn sector, and why milf is a particularly common porn sector.

There's nothing wrong with selling something that's sealacious.

Speaker 2

Charlie swerves into a car park below the casino the porn expot is taking place.

The hair and makeup artist is here preening other performers before the awards.

Speaker 3

I mean, you get media attention whatever way you feel comfortable.

I don't have a problem with it per se if they're comfortable with it.

For me, I couldn't take the repercussions, Like the way people talk.

I think people are already so corphobic in a lot of ways and misogynistic, and I think we've still got a long way to go in society as far as how people talk to sex workers.

And I just wouldn't be able to cope emotionally with using that style of advertising.

Speaker 5

I would really struggle with it.

I'm just going to park here.

Speaker 2

She frantically reaches over to the floor below the passenger seat to grab her staff, tossing aside a container of biscuits that she baked for a sexy yet relatable only fans video they've now gone stale.

She tries to untangle herself from the seat belt.

The buckle jams.

Speaker 4

Oh that doesn't work.

Speaker 5

On the planet a.

Speaker 1

Computys.

Speaker 2

It's the last day of the porn Convention and there's only a few hours left until these dream girls disappear from the casino hallways and struck back behind the glass of the computer screen, lining up to meet today's porn stars is a middle aged man with a T shirt that reads pussy the most expensive meal You'll ever eat.

At one booth in the center of the room is Lily Phillips, the tabloid rival of Bonnie Blue.

Lily is smiling and chatting to her followers, who have formed a line that snakes around the auditorium.

But not everyone in the queue is a sweaty guy wearing a crude slogan T shirt.

Speaker 7

She's cute, She's got that like girl next door vibe.

Speaker 2

That's Christy Raya, a twenty seven year old fraud specialist who has traveled from New York City to the expo with her boyfriend.

At first, I make the mistake of assuming he dragged her here, and I'm promptly corrected.

Speaker 7

I'm the Lily.

Speaker 2

You're the Okay, you're the Lily fan.

It's very surprising.

What did you say to her when you met her?

Speaker 7

Just that I admired her and that she was really beautiful.

We just had like girls talk.

Crew second, she complimented my outfit, so that I was pretty just you know, girl shit.

Speaker 2

I can't help but think Lily's gal pale approach with her feet email audience is a lot different to the hostile tactics of Bonnie.

Just last night, while we were in her bed, Bonnie gave a firm assessment.

Speaker 8

I'm more than happy to piss women off, like your husband doesn't want to be with you when you l like that, So then yeah, I am going to pleasure room and give him a good time while she'll sat there just picture.

Speaker 2

Do you know about Bonnie Blue?

Yeah?

Speaker 5

I do.

Speaker 7

She's a bad bitch shore.

Speaker 5

I love a blonde.

Speaker 7

I can't lie.

I love a blond.

She's controversial because I think she like sleeps with like young guys.

She's like older, not older, but I'm twenty seven.

I think she's older than I have.

Speaker 2

She's twenty five.

Speaker 7

Oh really, she's younger than me.

That's crazy.

But she sleeps with like guys that are like eighteen.

Speaker 2

I mean, I.

Speaker 7

Respect what she does, but at the same time, I do kind of agree with some of the pushbacks she gets.

Speaker 2

If you read the tabloids, she seems to be in a feud with Lily Phillips.

Do you know about that?

Speaker 9

Yeah?

Speaker 7

I think they're saying that like Lily's trying.

Speaker 2

To copy her.

Which side are you on here?

Speaker 7

I mean, nothing's original, like at all in twenty twenty five, Everything's been done.

It's not like Bonnie coined.

Speaker 5

It, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2

Meanwhile, Bonnie has cut communication again.

I was originally promised time with her today as she gets ready for the awards, but her team is now being evasive.

Apparently, or so I've heard, Bonnie is not thrilled with our interview last night.

This means I now have time on my hands.

Maybe someone else would like to chat, perhaps Bonnie's ar rival.

Speaker 9

Hey, Lily James.

Speaker 2

Were from news dot Com got at you in Australia.

I will say, I'm just done here doing a podcast series and I just want to include you while you do your makeup ahead of the awards tonight.

Would you be cool with that?

Speaker 10

Yeah?

Speaker 2

Yeah, that's cool, that's cool.

I am saying the cost of polgen now that's okay.

I think I'm yeah, yeah, that's okay.

Are you disable to write down your best contact?

And it seems as if amateur creators like Lily and Bonnie are in the headlines on a daily basis with their sex stunts, and it's easy to believe the hype.

After all, According to Bonnie, She's the most famous porn star on the planet right now.

Speaker 8

I own over one thousand pounds an hour.

I'm the one with the most fews.

I'm the one that goes for iron all the time.

I am the main character.

Speaker 2

Her mission to become a household name is in full swing.

So you'd think every man inside this building, a potent demographic of chronically online porn connoisseurs, would be well acquainted with all the viral sex stunts that have ravaged Internet timelines like a horny tornado over the past six months.

Right, do you know who Bonnie Blue is?

Speaker 11

Now?

Speaker 2

I'm not sure who that is.

I'm sorry, Hey, do you know who Bonnie Blue is?

Speaker 1

No?

Speaker 9

I don't.

Speaker 2

I'm sure you're aware of Bonnie Blue?

Right I am no.

Are you familiar with Bonnie Blue?

Speaker 9

Bonnie Blue?

No, I'm not familiar.

Speaker 2

That's Jay Rodriguez.

He's rolling past the commotion on a red motorized scooter.

His slogan T shirt offers a bold declaration, I have a BBC.

It stands for Big Black.

You get the picture.

You've got Lily Phillips here, who did the one hundred guys in a day challenge?

Are you familiar with her work.

Speaker 9

I'm not.

Actually, I've never actually seen her before in my life.

Speaker 2

And that's because for j his taste is a touch more niche.

Gang bangs don't impress him.

He's after something with a little more soul.

Speaker 9

Ah jeeus.

Okay, So I'm a footman.

It's very simple.

Speaker 11

Is a girl's got great looking feet, pretty feet, and the guy worships them, you know, licks them, kisses them, sucks them, rubs them oil.

That's a big one as well.

An oily sole of a foot, something very magical about that.

It looks great and it feels phenomenal.

Speaker 2

The annual porn convention has become somewhat of a mecca for Jay.

It's the third consecutive year this fifty year old has made the pilgrimage from London, where he works as a university researcher.

What usually needs to be involved for you to enjoy it?

Speaker 9

Apart from pretty feet?

You mean.

Speaker 11

I'd rather see a boy girl than girl goal, you know, feet on feet sort of thing.

Speaker 2

Do you remember when you saw your first foot?

Speaker 5

Yeah?

Speaker 9

I do.

I do.

Speaker 2

Tell me about the first foot you saw.

Speaker 9

You really want to know?

I do.

Speaker 11

I was at a wedding.

I was twelve at a wedding.

My family took me to a wedding and there was this woman there and she had great looking feet in a lovely pair of shoes.

That's another thing.

The foot thing isn't just about their feet in a great pair of shoes ideal.

And she was just standing there in this pair of shoes, and I suddenly thought, oh, I like that.

I was only twelve, but I like the look of that.

Speaker 2

So do you know what marble is like a glass marble?

Speaker 5

Yeah?

Speaker 9

Yeah, I had marbles.

I was twelve.

Speaker 11

Remember I dropped my marbles on the floor on purpose so I could bend down and sort of crael.

You know, oh, I've become at my marbles, but I'm not really.

I was trying to get as close as I could, and I remember it so well, and I wanted to get just a little feel and I did, and obviously she was a bit like, oh, what's going on?

And I said, oh, sorry, I'm getting my marbles and she was like, oh, okay.

Whether she brought it or not, I don't care, because I was That was my first realization that I really like women's pretty feet.

Speaker 2

So with a lot of the girls that you've met here at the convention this week, do you also subscribe to their work?

And how much does that cost you a month.

Speaker 11

In British pounds one hundred and twenty pounds whatever that is in dollars.

Speaker 2

That's about two hundred and fifty Ozzie dollars a month.

Jay now enforces as strict budget on his porn consumption after learning a tough lesson not long ago.

He found himself in a dark place, alone in his bedroom with his computer and a credit card.

Speaker 11

It got a bit out of hand when there was not much else to do, and I found myself just spending hundreds.

At one point, I was spending hundreds a week on different platforms, subscribeing to this, subscribe to that.

Speaker 9

I got out of hand.

Speaker 2

At its peak.

How much were you spending in a week.

Speaker 9

At is worse?

Yeah, three hundred pounds a week.

Speaker 2

That's about six hundred Aussie dollars per week, or two four hundred dollars a month, or thirty thousand dollars a year.

What led you to have the wake up called where you realized you couldn't be spending that much?

Speaker 11

I was starting to put aside other financial obligations and realized that I was getting myself into a bit of debt, as in I was owing money for things that I shouldn't be owing money for because I was spending my money on more important things or is.

Speaker 9

What I saw as more important at the time.

Speaker 2

And do you have a partner, Jakes?

Speaker 9

A partner?

Yeah, not at a moment.

Speaker 10

No.

Speaker 2

Are you on the dating scene at the moment?

Speaker 9

No?

Speaker 11

I don't really like the dating scene.

I mean, if it's gonna happen for me, i'd just let it happen naturally, if.

Speaker 9

You know what I mean.

Yeah, dating scene is not really my thing.

Speaker 2

When you were spending about three hundred pounds a week on porn subscriptions, how frequently were you consuming the porn.

Speaker 9

All day?

All day?

Like literally all day, you know?

Speaker 11

I mean I was just watching it and reviewing it and analyzing and researching, oh who's she?

And finding new artists all day.

Speaker 2

While I wait Lily to finish her shift at the signing booth.

I spot z light Skin, the twenty four year old fledgling amateur creator with the broccoli haircut and Justin Bieberswagger.

I met him a few days ago when he accosted Bonnie Blue during her split second impromptu appearance at the expo, where he tried convincing her to film content with him.

Speaker 9

I like just started kind of blowing up.

Speaker 2

You're blowing up, And what kind of content would you want to do?

Like one of Bonnie's gang bangs that she's.

Speaker 8

Done, Yeah, that would be called Yeah, like a boy boy girl her that will go crazy.

Speaker 12

Just something like that will go viral that she relate.

Speaker 2

While Bonnie hasn't taken him up on his offer, he's moved on to his next conquest and he's still on a mission to be involved in a viral sex stunt.

Speaker 12

I've kind of solidified my name and it's time to really step up to the next level become a household name.

Speaker 2

He's with a buddy named Carlos Dickinson, and the boys are trying to convince a young female creator named Sakura lee In that for her to elevate her profile, she needs to film a scene with them and do things she's never done before.

Speaker 12

Well, we've already shot boy boy Girl, so I've shot a boy Girl with her as well a couple of times.

And I think the next step not only in our career, but even her career would be a gang bang.

And between me and specifically my friends who are all big and in the industry.

Speaker 10

It's because I've been doing this for like four years now, you know, it's just like a slippery slope to do more and more.

So I think a game bank would be a good, you know thing for my career.

Speaker 12

Next step for her pretty much, yeah.

Speaker 10

Because I've never done an anal scene, and obviously there's no game bang without.

Speaker 12

Anal, right, yeah, and it would pretty much be going in with a bang.

If she's never done anal and she's got a gang bang, that's a pretty yeah.

Speaker 9

Yeah, I think people will like that.

Speaker 4

Yeah.

Speaker 10

Of course we're trying to navigate because like it's going to be an air tight scene, you know, like double penetration with the mouth, you know, so who's going in the mouth, who's going in the pussy, and who's.

Speaker 8

Going in the h.

Speaker 12

Yeah, so pretty much, I'm definitely leaning towards either the vagina or the mouth.

Speaker 10

And either He's Lady's Wars the vagina.

Yeah, yeah, because it's something my fans have requested, like game bank, game bank, game bank, game bing.

Speaker 2

The Oscars of Hoorn is just a few hours away, and in a hotel room high above the city, Lily Phillips is getting ready to attend the event.

I'm standing in the shiny lobby a cosmopolitan hotel, waiting to be collected by the personal assistant of Lily Phillips, James.

Speaker 9

Thank you so much.

What's your name?

Speaker 2

By the way, Jade, Jade, And you're the assistant.

Speaker 5

Yes.

Speaker 2

During the elevator ride up to Lily's room, I try to fill the silence with polite small talk four hours each.

Speaker 8

I just.

Speaker 2

Jade, the personal assistant bats away my attempts and dodgers even the most innocuous questions.

Unlike Bonnie's team, the staff employed by Lily don't seem to want to be in the spotlight themselves.

Are you going?

Speaker 9

I'm recording?

Speaker 2

By the way, is that okay?

Speaker 5

Sorry?

Speaker 4

Take a seat, make yourself so.

It's a bit messy in her We've just been living out suitcases.

Speaker 2

The room is piled high with stuff.

Every surface is covered by clothing and accessories and colorful plastic junk food wrappers.

Welcome to the life of a twenty three year old with a passport and cash to burn.

She notices me glancing around, and she starts poking fun at herself.

Speaker 4

She has so much shit on the floor, disgusting, thirty foods last days.

Speaker 2

Swaddled in a white bathrobe.

She's sitting in a chair at the center of the room, next to her unmade bed as a stylist fiddles with her long blonde hair.

Speaker 4

Oh yes, I've just had an everything shower, shaved every inch of my body, scrum my face, still my hat, and then I've got my lovely hairstyless hair, just making me look beautiful for the night.

Speaker 5

I think she looks beautiful with her hair.

Speaker 6

So we're going to do like an old Hollywood clown waves since it's in a warshow.

Speaker 4

Feeling very nervous, eating a shake shark and that, but swums up the evening.

My nominated four five independent female creator.

Speaker 2

And who are you up against?

Speaker 4

Some great girls?

Honestly, like I wouldn't would not be surprised if they were, because they're insane.

Speaker 2

One of the ladies.

She's competing within the category Bonnie Blue.

They've both been on a similar trajectory in recent months.

Lily has made a name for herself as an amateur only fans performer, causing a stir and generating news headlines with sex stunts, like her recent endeavor to sleep with one hundred men in a single day.

It has been a wild four years.

She has gone from being a university student with a side hustle as a social media influencer and transformed into a well, I'll just let her explain it.

Speaker 4

The girl next door will act like a massive phoor Sorry that right.

Speaker 2

According to her, she kind of just fell into it.

Speaker 4

I use my real name, So yeah, what.

Speaker 2

Inspired you to use your real name?

Is that just by accident?

You know what?

Speaker 4

I already had built up a slight following on Instagram before I even started, and so I kind of thought best that was just to go in with my real name because people already knew of me.

That makes sense.

I believe I had sixteen k on Instagram before I started.

Speaker 2

And what kind of content were you doing?

Speaker 1

Oh?

Speaker 4

Just like very cute see girly photos.

I was doing a lot of outfits of the day.

I would buy outfits from online and then take photos in them and then send them back and get the money back for them.

Speaker 2

In recent months, she has also started filming professional studio scenes.

Speaker 4

Obviously, everyone charge is different.

I charge right now about twenty five hundred for a boy Girl, and then about a year ago I was like, fuck it, you know, I'm gonna do what I want to make the content that I want to and that's kind of when I got into more the extreme stuff.

Speaker 2

And what is some of that extreme stuff.

Speaker 4

Just like a boy girl, gang bangs, bukhaki as anything.

Speaker 2

Really I do.

Speaker 4

All things just got twos went quite like viral, and it's just been insane.

Lots of people wanted to talk to me and talked about like stunts.

I'm doing things like that, which is awesome.

Speaker 2

I feel like you're a headline magnet.

You're always in the headline, and since you've landed here in Vegas just a few days ago, you only need to google your name, Lily Phillips.

I'm going to read a few of them.

Lily Phillips faces US deportation threat over planned to sleep with one thousand men in a day on US Weekly.

Lily Phillips says Airbnb banned her after sex stunt on Newsweek.

Lily Phillips stopped at US border after having sex with one hundred and one men in a day.

E Online, Lily Phillips reveals how much money she makes after having sex with one hundred men, and it just goes on.

How important are the headlines to your business model?

Speaker 4

I mean, I do have a PR team, but other than that, now, I think because I built my brand, the headlines just kind of come without me even like prompting them.

Speaker 2

How involved is the PR team and what's the strategy behind Lily Phillips Incorporated?

Speaker 4

He just tries to get me like as much press as possible.

Speaker 2

Do you believe in that old adage there's no such thing as bad publicity.

I do, and I don't.

Speaker 4

No, I guess all PUBLICI has got publicity.

But then again, I guess you don't always want to be perceived as like a horrid person.

Speaker 2

Going back to one of those headlines that I just read out is Lily Phillips facing US deportation after threatening to sleep with a thousand men.

Speaker 4

They did stop me at the border, but and they said, if you foc a thousand men while you're hair as in a day, then yes you will face like they will bun you.

Speaker 2

But tell me more about that conversation at the border.

What happened?

Speaker 4

So they took me into a room and was basically just asking about my job and what I'm here to do, and making sure that you know I'm not working while I'm here or anything like that, and just trying to make sure, yeah that because I'm on an ASTA, not working visa, So just trying to make sure that I'm here for the right reasons.

Speaker 2

This interference by the US government has thrown a spanner in the works.

Lily says she had big plans to film content here in Las Vegas and one up her previous record of sleeping with one hundred men in a single day.

Speaker 4

I wanted to sleep with eight thousand men in twenty four hours.

So I was planning to do it here while the avn's wrong because I didn't actually realize it was work, because I thought you were allowed to sleep with guys like it's it's not work at.

Speaker 2

The end of day.

Speaker 4

And yeah, I plans to do it while the avn's a wrong because there'd be a lot of porn funds in the area.

But obviously since we faced that, I was like going to shut it down.

I'm not going to do it here.

Speaker 2

So the quest for a thousand guys continues.

Yes, would you call them sex stunts?

Yeah, Yeah, tell me about the sex stunts and the concept behind that.

Speaker 4

Yeah, so I kind of thought that my palm was maybe getting a little bit boring and very much like everyone else says, and I want to make it really unique and for me.

I also want to do it with funds because obviously there aren't many girls that they can subscribe to and also fuck at the same time, So I thought it would be great content.

So yeah, that's kind of when I decided to start doing these, like crazy numbers.

Speaker 2

A lot of the headlines when you google your name, it seems like there's a what people in the industry are calling beef between your name and Bonnie Blue.

Can you give me a rundown of what's actually going on there?

Speaker 4

I don't have any beef with her?

Speaker 2

Is that part of the PR strategy?

Speaker 4

Oh, definitely not.

Speaker 2

I'm a lover, not a hater.

What other stunts have you done?

Speaker 9

Oh?

Speaker 4

On TUESDAYD fifty in my back door?

Speaker 2

On Tuesday?

Speaker 9

You did that?

Speaker 2

And what here in Las Vegas?

Yeah, Lily seems to forget that.

Just a few moments ago, she told me about how she was dramatically stopped at the US border and warned that she was under no circumstances allowed to film sex tapes on American soil that she could later sell.

After all, that would be breaching her visa.

She suddenly realizes the error, wincing her face before backtracking.

Speaker 4

No, I did it in London.

Speaker 2

Sorry, but did you really do it in London?

I did?

Speaker 5

Yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 2

I decide not to press Lily on this contradiction.

Whether she filmed those fifty men in London or Vegas, it doesn't really matter anymore.

It seems she can't keep her own story straight.

The performance has become the reality, and the thing is she's not alone.

I leave Lily in the hotel room and give her some time to get her recollections in order before the big night.

Speaker 1

Take a too a Concertys concession.

Speaker 2

It's the night of nights and all the sirens from your internet screen are here to dazzle on the red carpet at the oscars of Porn.

Plucky fans are lined up to catch a glimpse of their favorite starlets.

Most of them are middle aged men, and a lot of them do have cameras on selfie sticks poking up above the crowds.

It's all to ensure they get adequate footage of their favorite porn star that they'll no doubt be reviewing later.

Again and again and again, performers begin arriving, posing for cameras and waving at fans.

Just like the Academy Awards, the Oscars of Porn is a prestigious affair of influence and excellence.

Speaker 3

Been at the Porn Awards tonight makes me feel like a Jonty Sunny mother.

Speaker 2

Haha.

That's Piper Press, the milk performer who declined the offer to film content earlier this week with Ozzie Milf Molly Manning, and you're famous for what kind of porn popcast?

Jardy might be?

Raw play?

How does tonight make you feel?

Walking the red carpet like.

Speaker 5

A filthy mother?

Thanks for your borners, fanboys.

Speaker 2

Then she gets distracted and stumbles away.

Lily Phillips breezes by with her old Hollywood hair and black satin dress, the Angenoux who hasn't yet been shoved into milkhood.

And there's Charlie Ford floating past in her flower pedal gown.

She doesn't bask in the spotlight.

Instead, she quietly smolders, arching her back and glancing over her shoulder to look at the cameras.

She then disappears into the theater, ready to find out if her butthole wins Best Gang Bang.

As hundreds of porn stars flood the red carpet in elaborate and sexy costumes.

I'm studying everyone who shuffles by, hoping to see Bonnie Blue as she triumphantly debuts her forty thousand dollars one of a kind Louis Vuton dress.

But over the two hours of Fans Fair, she never appears amongst all the middle aged fanboys who line the barricades.

A petite woman in her sixties with a short gray haircut, she is for every single performer like a mom at a school athletics carnival.

Speaker 13

I'm a mother and my son dates Jules Blue, who is in the industry, and she's a porn star.

Speaker 2

She does cosplay, she does all kinds of things.

Speaker 13

She even comes over for Christmas and cooks us Christmas dinner.

Speaker 2

Her name is Charisma Holquin and she has traveled from Arizona with her husband to be an unofficial cheerleader.

Speaker 13

I just heard that nobody's really supporting these people in the industry, and so many people have family members that have turned them away because of the business they're in, and it's like, you know, it is a business, and a lot of these people are creative and wonderful people and great personalities.

Speaker 2

Suddenly the energy in the room shifts and a sense of mania vibrates through the crowd.

Heads turned cameras shoot up high above the crush of people.

Taking Senna stage on the red carpet.

Is the woman they've all been waiting for, as Ansela wait the thunder from down Under.

She's wearing her trademark style, an all black gown that teases a satisfying hint of curves.

She flicks her long dark hair over a shoulder and flashes a smile.

Her hand gracefully glides through the air as she waves at her adoring fans, almost in slow motion.

Speaker 9

They're not going to write's Angelo way.

She's a simple thought.

You notice.

They're not telling how to hurry up?

Pretty word to me.

Maybe I'm rusting everybody, but there's like she just take a whole sweet time.

They don't mess with ambulance.

Speaker 2

Waiting Angela's arrival almost seems like the natural climax of the evening.

After she levitates into the theater.

Her seductive presence lingers outside like a sweet perfume.

The crowd begins to thin out, the casino staff begin ripping up the red carpet, But what about Bonnie?

More time passes and there's still no sight.

Then, just when it seems like she's a no show, there's a chaotic flurry in the distance.

A group of people are shoving their way across the casino floor through the maze of slot machines, led by her publicist, Emma.

Bonnie rushes closer to the door of the theater and finds a section of the red carpet that hasn't yet been torn up.

Speaker 9

Why are we running.

Speaker 5

Lane well, fashly, Willy Lee.

Speaker 2

Obviously, Bonnie's walking the red carpet with Josh Holly's standing back holding the bag, and he's wearing a Gucci blazer.

Bonnie is finally getting a chance to show off the.

Speaker 9

Louis Vuitton.

Speaker 2

One of a kind dress, and Summer is diligently walking behind her.

Hey, Summer, why are you guys late?

Emma, the publicist jumps in to shut down the questions.

You didn't want to learne off, which is bare as her pr manager, What did you think of her missing the red carpet?

Speaker 9

She hasn't missed her.

She's on her right now, but.

Speaker 2

They're peeling it up behind her.

She's got time.

This scrappy, frenzied scene doesn't quite seem to be what Bonnie had in mind when she was proudly showing me her black, sheer netted gown last night.

As we stood in her closet.

The one hundred and forty five thousand dollar diamond necklace barely gets a minute to glimmer under the lights.

With the award show set to start in minutes, Bonnie poses for a camera and then scrambles inside, ready to bask in her glory.

Amona.

Inside the theater, the ceremony unfolds over three hours.

Angela White dominates as expected, the establishment queen, collecting six trophies, including favorite Female porn Star, her magnum opus Fuck Angela.

The love letter to y Too k Porn is celebrated.

Charlie Ford's butthole is sadly not honored.

Meanwhile, I'm stuck outside with the groupies, waiting to see if Bonnie's gamble paid off.

One of these blokes is Jake Martin, the forty year old Canadian, has been coming to the awards for the past decade.

He's on a stakeout, lurking by the exit, waiting for his favorite porn star, Rita Daniels to finally saunter.

Speaker 4

Out, Oh no, where.

Speaker 9

We're just gonna becoming In letters, we've become friends.

Speaker 2

I'm mostly contacted through social media as I stand among the slot machines and wait for Bonnie to emerge.

I'm approached with a particular request that, given the circumstances of tonight's event, shouldn't come as a surprise.

Brodie had a condom.

No, I don't have a condom.

Are you asking for a condom?

Speaker 9

Yes?

I got some in a parking lot.

I'm trying to go handle it.

If you don't have one, that's your fun.

Everybody should have one.

I just ran out.

Don't do that.

Speaker 2

Who's in the car park?

Yeah?

Speaker 9

I don't do that.

You know, you know what the porns are.

Don't do that.

You know I've got a porn star the week.

Speaker 2

Which porn star is it?

Speaker 9

Don't do that.

We won't be that nasty show.

You won't do that.

Speaker 2

What are you going to do in the car park.

Speaker 9

Get kicked out eighty six eighty six?

Speaker 2

Me, No, what is getting eighty six to me?

Speaker 5

You keeck out the.

Speaker 9

Property for we're doing some wrong.

We don't, don't, don't.

We're gonna fluster your kind, that's what we're.

Speaker 2

Gonna Do's getting eighty six?

They have anything to do with getting sixty nine?

Speaker 9

No, but she will get that.

And well she's gonna get sixty nine the eighty six.

Speaker 2

And these parking lot sixty nine ers aren't the only ones getting eighty six.

It seems the porn industry has rejected the rebel creator who has spent the past twelve months antagonizing it.

The doors to the theater swing open.

It's nearing midnight and Bonnie finally emerges from the pawn Awards.

She's looking glum, her arms are crossed.

The team's lacking energy.

It seems she didn't snatch the trophy that she came here to win.

Hi, oh, Hi, you seem disappointed to see.

Speaker 14

Me, Always disappointed to see you?

Speaker 2

Why what happened?

Speaker 9

Inside?

Speaker 2

Emma takes the lead while Summer, Ollie, and Josh surround Bonnie, who's avoiding eye contact.

They blocked me from talking to her, not much.

Speaker 5

Not much?

Speaker 2

Yeah, did you I'll take the question.

Okay, did Bonnie take on the trophy?

Speaker 9

No?

Speaker 2

You seem disappointed.

Speaker 14

Of course, we're disappointed.

Speaker 2

The gong went to a British performer called Mama Plugs, whose tales of struggling as a teen mom and getting Brazilian butt lift surgery keep her in the tabloids.

Apparently, inside the theater there was an upset and Team Bonnie claims to have been blindsided, alleging the Awards commit scrubbed Bonnie's name from the nominations.

Speaker 14

So she was nominated as Best in the Creator and her name didn't come up on screen.

Speaker 2

Emma and the team already have some conspiracy theories.

They believe the awards committee is punishing Bonnie for ditching her duties and not fulfilling her slot at the expo booth where she was supposed to meet and greet fans during the week.

Speaker 14

So my theory is she had an obligation to fill which means that she needs to show up and sign it a booth for two hours.

She was sick and she couldn't show up, But.

Speaker 2

To not be.

Speaker 14

Shown on screen to me was came as a surprise and that's yeah, it is what it is.

Speaker 2

Bonnie arrived late for her own coronation, only to find her throne already occupied.

How did Bonnie feel when she didn't see her name on screen?

Speaker 14

I think she understands, you know what these sort of awards are for.

Speaker 2

From your team's perspective, what are these awards for?

Speaker 14

It's a lot of ego, and like, I'm not gonna lie.

We want a part of it because it's a bit of fun.

But you know, that's all it is.

There's not much more to it.

Speaker 2

Emma leads the troop to an exit.

Bonnie is shielded by her little sister Summer, her videographer Josh, and her manager and secret husband Ollie.

They narrowly avoid bumping into Lily Phillips, who's in much better spirits.

Lily, Oh hey, good to see her.

The awards going good?

Speaker 5

God, it went wow.

Speaker 4

Yeah I didn't win, but there was some amazing nominations, so no wonder I didn't win.

Speaker 2

There was apparently a little bit of confusion inside the awards ceremony because Bonnie thought she was nominated, but her name wasn't shown on screen.

Lily gives her team a nervous glance.

Oh really, I'm not sure, and then she's pulled away by a member of her entourage.

Speaker 9

I haven't seen it.

Speaker 2

Well, thank you so much.

Speaker 9

I appreciate it.

Thanks.

Speaker 2

Across the parking lot, Bonnie's entourage is desperate to end the night.

Bonnie's team rushes her to awaiting suv that will take her away to her luxury villa.

Last night, inside the concrete walls of her mansion, Bonnie bragged about being the main character.

But tonight, the industry has shuffled her into the background, and in the brutal Nevada desert, blue fades to black.

By sunrise, the red carpet is gone, the porn stars have scattered back to their corners of the Internet, and the casino floor returns to its regular programming of retirees feeding coins into slot machines.

This was supposed to be Bonnie's victory lap, the week where she proved to the industry and the world that she is the biggest porn star on the planet.

Instead, it became the week everything started to unravel.

Bonnie didn't win, but she did get revenge, well, sort of.

Speaker 6

A disease is being transmitted at the porn convention which shouldn't come as a surprise, but it's not the kind of infection that you would anticipate at such an event.

Everyone has been wiped out with a severe blu, and I know myself I can trace it back to one Miss Bonny Blue, from when I spent intimate moments up close and personal with her in her bed while I interviewed her for this series.

Every day new people are falling down, porn stars, porn producers, born directors.

I've had people rescheduling on me over the last forty eight hours.

No one seems to be able to get out of bed.

All I really know is many many pathology tests will need to be swabbed at the end of this ordeal.

Speaker 2

In the days that followed, more people fell sick.

It was impossible to get any more interviews.

But one warning kept echoing.

Speaker 15

There's plenty of girls who are flashes in the pan of girls who are here today, gone tomorrow.

That's just kind of the nature of the beast I think happens all the time.

Speaker 2

And the questions kept coming.

Speaker 15

I've heard various things about whether anybody's actually seen these videos that they say they've made.

It also seems far fetched.

This thousand man.

Whatever you know.

I don't even know where you find a thousand guys to come and random we have sex with.

Speaker 2

You, and Team Bonnie stuck to its narrative.

Her team seemed to think that because she skipped out on a few of her av and appearances leading up to the awards, that she was scrubbed from the nominations.

Speaker 9

Right.

Speaker 15

I got word of this that would have nothing to do with it, and we couldn't change it that quickly anyway if we wanted to.

Speaker 2

Peter Warren is the editor of adult video news magazine The Porn Industry Bible, that runs the awards.

He says he's familiar with Bonnie Blue's conspiracy theories following her loss at the Oscars of Porn, and while her complaints might work at Louis Vaton, they don't work here.

He says, Bonnie may have made the long list of nominations, but she didn't get enough fan votes to make the short list.

Speaker 15

They thought she was left out for some reason or whatever.

But it's just it was the top ten vote getters who were displayed on screen.

We can't display all sixty of them, so you know, it's just the luck of the draw.

Speaker 2

And so you're saying that Bonnie's name was absolutely not scrubbed.

Speaker 15

It definitely was not scrubbed.

It's not media coverage is the answer to how you win, you know.

Speaker 9

I believe that.

Speaker 15

It's who the fans like the most, who they voted for.

Speaker 2

And Bonnie and Lily, have you consumed their work?

Speaker 9

No?

Speaker 2

No, why not?

Speaker 15

It's a little strange to me.

I don't quite get it, you know.

I don't know that I can put my finger on why.

It's just I just haven't really gotten into it.

Speaker 2

Meanwhile, Bonnie has remained in the headlines since this podcast was recorded.

She caused outrage by announcing a petting zoo sex stunt that involved her being tied up in a glass box for two thousand men.

It never eventuated.

Updates about her divorce from husband and manager Ollie Davidson continued to be drip fed to tabloids.

It's understood they're still legally married.

She also started a pregnancy rumor, So.

Speaker 8

Tom, I'm going to take another pregnancy task because.

Speaker 2

Well, I want to know how far along it turned out to be false.

I can't help but think back to a moment during our interview when we were in bed together.

Speaker 9

Have you of a.

Speaker 2

Fibbed about content or fibbed about something to get a headline?

Speaker 10

No?

Speaker 8

Like my thing I've been so passionate about from day one is saying something truthful and if it's not happened, I've just said, you know what, like no comment, or like no it didn't happen.

Speaker 2

So you've never lied about any of your content?

Speaker 9

No.

Speaker 2

A few months after I left Las Vegas, Only Fans made the decision to permanently ban Bonnie Blue.

A representative told me her content is no longer allowed on the platform, nor is she an Only Fans creator, and that this should be explicitly stated to our listeners.

And what about Bonnie's publicist Emma Gilman with her blueprint for world domination?

She has since quit.

She says she stopped working with the creator a few months after I met them.

It's a sudden change from the optimistic dream Emma was conjuring on the private jet.

Speaker 1

This is so crazy.

Speaker 5

I'm so sure.

Speaker 10

Wow.

Speaker 9

I was just absorbing it, you know.

Speaker 14

On the plane, I was just sitting there quietly like, this is fucked up.

Speaker 2

You know, do you think this is how your life's going to continue?

Over the next year.

Speaker 9

I think it's going to get better and better.

Speaker 8

I really do.

Speaker 2

In a text message, Emma tells me Bonnie had different goals to what we had planned when we were working together, and it involved going down the rage bait route in a way I couldn't represent.

I'm a bit worried about being tied to her brand in that way, but it seems Emma is not quite done with being part of the Bonnie Blue story.

Just as this episode was about to drop, she posted a cryptic vhoto to Instagram showing her and Ollie embracing.

It was set to the Olivia Dean song called Man I need the caption plot twist, complete with a love heart emoji.

I immediately reached out to her.

She told me we're in a relationship where just two people enjoying each other's company.

I asked Emma when exactly they got together, She replied recently.

She then said she would not be commenting any further.

Hey, the girl knows how to get a headline.

Las Vegas is a city that runs on one currency, the gamble.

Bonnie Blue waged everything, privacy, authenticity, the life she had before the cameras turned on the chips stacked up the headlines came a million pounds a month, she claimed, but the house always collects twenty percent to the platform.

More extreme stunts to feed the algorithm, and that jackpot she's chasing.

It's always one more hand away.

She's still at the table, all in, still doubling down.

Speaker 8

I own over one thousand pounds an hour.

I'm the one with the most fews.

I'm the one that goes ring all the time.

I am the main character.

Speaker 1

Take a.

Speaker 2

Concutys concess, Thanks for listening.

You can read more from me on news dot com dot AU and find me on Facebook if you want to let me know your thoughts about this series.

This show was and hosted by me.

My executive producer is Nina Young.

Sound design and editing by Tiffany Dinnak.

Additional production assistant by phoebe Zakowski Wallace.

A big thanks to Carrie Warren, the editor of news dot com dot a U, for her support for the show.

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