Hijie.

Hey, Angela, thanks for letting me swing by.

This is a beautiful villain it How many days have you been in Vegas?

I got here on Monday.

And what's been involved for you?

Well, so far, I've just been doing a lot of meetings, networking business.

It's meetings until I start signing, very business heavy.

Angela White clicks her stilettos down the polished steps of her private luxury villa that's perched high above the annual porn convention inside this chaotic Las Vegas casino.

The Aussie adult entertainer ranked as the most searched star on porn Hub last year, is making relaxed small talk, but there are bigger issues.

On her mind.

This is all an act and she's pulling it off well, which is no surprise.

After all, this X ray actress.

Has appeared in over one thousand studio porn scenes, an esteemed catalog of work that has seen her become the most awarded female adult entertainer in history, with critics dubbing her the Meryl Streep of porn.

Today, her confidence, stride and welcoming smile a hiding panic.

Just as I arrive, her production manager races out the door.

There has been a security breach.

A stalker has made direct contact with Angela inside her palatial porn Princess Pallace.

A fan called my room today, So he called up and asked if this was Angela and I said who is this?

And he said it was Vincent, as if I should just know who Vincent was.

Anyway, long story short, Vincent thinks that we've been in a relationship, has been talking to somebody calling themselves Angela White on telegram for a number of months.

I'm not sure why or how the hotel allowed him to actually access to my room number.

I had to tell the fan that it's incredibly inappropriate to call my room and secondly, you know, say I'm so sorry, but we're not in a relationship and you've been speaking to a catfish for many months.

How did he react?

It was actually quite heartbreaking because you could hear on the other end of the line that he was coming to the realization that everything that he thought to be true was a lie.

And it wasn't a long conversation, so I wasn't able.

I didn't ask him whether he had actually sent this catfish money.

But yeah, it's heartbreaking when fans get scammed.

It's easy to see how something like this could happen to Angela.

She's got the approachable charm of the best friend's book smart big sister whose parents don't know she secretly gets up to mischief on the weekends.

Her easygoing Australian accent is occasionally tinged with the fried inflections of someone who has been living in La for about twelve years now.

It's something that's happened before.

Yes, that's happened at least five times.

Scary stuff, especially given Angela spent hours yesterday getting swarmed by an endless line of fans as she performed a meet and greet on the floor of the pawn convention.

And after this chat with me, she's about to leave her secure villa and go downstairs to do it all again.

Will Vincent, the catfished fan, be there?

Instead of canceling her meet and greet today, Angela insists on forging ahead, and she has requested that Vincent come meet her in person.

I have my security with me.

He's well aware of the situation, and I will be cautious meeting him.

I'm hoping that by meeting the fan, I can show him and prove to him that you know, he's seeing the real me, and the real me are saying I'm sorry that's you know, that person was a catfish, because the problem is that he's probably going to text that catfish now and say, oh, I called you and you said that you know we aren't in a relationship, and that cat fish is probably gonna come up with another lie like saying, oh, you know, my team was around me and I couldn't tell them about our special love and romance, so I have to I really wanted him to come and see me in person so that I can look him in the eyes and say, I need you to understand that that's not me.

It could be the basis of a storyline of a really good porno filmed, don't you think.

Don't give him any ideas.

Take a concortis.

I like my work to speak for itself.

I've come to meet Angela White at her private villa to get intel after I unknowingly parachuted into the middle of an X rated war.

Just last night, Angela appeared on a panel at the Adult Entertainment Convention alongside Bonnie Blue, the old school pawn pro On one side.

The naughty pawn Upstart.

On the other, I'd been told tensions were forming between the two camps in the industry.

Battle lines have been drawn, the rule book tossed out the window, and apparently people are not happy.

I'm not really about showing off about how many views I've had, or how much money I make or whatever.

I'm just not about the numbers.

But if Angela was about the numbers, it would be an impressive list of facts and figures.

Twenty two years in the game, more than eight point eight billion views on tube sites like porn Hub and x videos, about four hundred and ninety DVDs and movies.

Maybe you recall such titles as Anal, Fitness Sluts and Best of butt Fuck's Volume four.

Angela moved to Hollywood a decade ago and signed with Mark Spiegler, the most powerful porn agent in the beers, and has since launched her own production company and become a contract star for Brass's, one of the world's biggest porn studios.

She's won one hundred and thirty awards, been inducted into the Porn Hall of Fame, and been crowned Female Performer of the Year three times at the Oscars of Porn later this week, she's set to sweep again, not that she's even really aware of it.

How many awards are you nominated for?

I should know that I do not know, but you.

Don't because you're not a numbers girl.

No, I'm not a numbers girl.

This attitude is in stark contrast to amateur X rated content creator Bonnie Blue, who seems to be on a mission to declare that she is the biggest porn star on the planet right now.

But it's not a competition, right.

I don't do things for clicks that I'm not going to say certain things like how much money I make, or do something controversial or be involved in a scandal just to get attention.

My aim is always just to do incredible work that is fun for me and that the fans love.

That's the basis of my whole business model.

Before this interview, I'm warned by Angela's team that certain topics are off limits, like her finances and perceived rivals.

But while she won't be prompted to directly discuss Bonnie, she does seem to suggest that she's aware of these fledgling new pawn mavericks who are thrusting vigorously in her periphery.

Here she is recently on Breakfast Radio.

Now a very special guest is here in the building, while with us now Angela White, the most popular female before in the porn industry and the most searched porn star globally.

Do you have literally won anything and everything available?

I think I haven't won most outrageous sex scene?

Cool?

Is that one you want to win?

A look?

That's not really my style.

My thing is really about connection in porn and so being outrageous.

You know, it can be fun to do different things and acrobatics, but it's not my main goal when it comes to porn.

Unlike Bonnie, who seemingly fell into sex work in her twenties after becoming bored in the corporate world, Angela grew up knowing she wanted to be a porn star, and she pursued it hard and fast at the first chance she could.

As soon as she turned eighteen.

I was actually in my last year of high school and a company in Miami flew me from Australia to Miami, Florida to shoot my first scenes.

How did they find out about you?

I contacted them?

And which company was it so.

Score magazine was just all about big boobs and so growing up having large natural breasts, I was super excited to get into porn and looking for a company that would be interested in my body type.

Which now my body type is fairly accepted by all companies want to shoot my body type.

But back then in two thousand and three, curvy girls weren't.

They weren't in.

It was that typical you know, nineties, early two thousands, like blonde, slim, fake boob look.

And I didn't fit that mold.

So I saw women that looked like me shooting for Score, and so I contacted them.

It was like on a CD rom and I put a CD rom, I put my amateur photos and wrote them a handwritten letter and sent it off snail mail.

Wow.

And was it the kind of magazine that you'd buy on the bottom shelf at the servo.

Yep, right, that's the one.

That's the one, and what was involved in that verset shoot?

So my first shoots were all solo, which was great way to ease me in.

Yeah, it was such an exciting experience because this was the first I'm still in high school.

It's the first time i've flown overseas by myself.

Before did anyone else at school know?

They knew when I came back.

Okay, what was the reaction.

It was they kind of expected it.

Almost I was a sexual teen, and I was heavily criticized for expressing my sexuality openly the way I did because I was into boys, I was into girls.

I was kissing girls on the playground.

I was labeled a slut.

It was.

It was actually a really hard time because I felt like I was being myself, Like my sexuality is a core part of who I am, so the people around me were rejecting who I was to my core.

And so that was one of the reasons I wanted to get into porn in the first place, because porn was the first place I saw women expressing their sexuality and being celebrated for it.

I remember seeing a Penthouse forum where this women in the centerfold was just staring down the camera lens with this huge smile on her face, naked, and I was like, that, that's what I want.

I want to be able to feel free in my sexuality and be celebrated for that.

And what did your parents think, Well.

They were worried.

I think there's some of the myths surrounding porn have been dispersed, Like people are now understanding what the industry is actually, like it's very corporate and not the CD underground that people previously thought it was.

But at that time, in two thousand and three, you know, I was, you know, eighteen year old going over to the other side of the world.

So my parents were worried about what could happen to me.

But I was convinced.

I had done my research.

I knew that this was a reputable company.

I was like gung ho, like, I'm going to do this, and luckily my research paid off and they were great.

It was a wonderful experience.

Do you remember how much you got paid for that very first shoot?

Do?

And just like that, I've broken Angela's rule of not asking about finances.

Don't feel comfortable sharing that.

I like that you commit to it.

I like that, you see, I thought, because it was so long ago, she might feel comfortable now at forty years old, Angela knows who she is and how she wants to be seen.

None of this is by accident.

Every choice seems to have been made with clear intention and precision.

Her glossy jet black hair doesn't even have a single flyaway thanks to her makeup artist who's on standby across the day.

This is a rather luxurious detail about her lifestyle that she accidentally lets slip that won't be pressed further on.

She's wearing black slacks and a black long sleep top that subtly shows off a teasing silhouette of her size thirty two double G breasts.

It's somewhat of a uniform for the performer.

She wore something similar at last night's panel discussion, where she appeared alongside Bonnie.

Angela challenges the stereotype of a porn star.

She doesn't even want to show a hint of her Hollywood success.

As we sit in the downstairs lounge room of this expensive but not ostentatious villa, I spot a stack of cardboard shopping bags from Balenciaga stowed under a chair, as if they've been hidden at the last minute.

Angela bristles when asked about her spending spree and changes the subject.

One industry insider describes it to me this way, Angela out conservatives the conservatives hell.

In twenty ten, she even ran as a political candidate in the seat of Richmond for a Victorian state election in Australia.

As Angela talks about her drive to become a porn star, I wonder how her entry into the industry would have looked if Internet pawn and create a platforms like OnlyFans existed in two thousand and three.

She says, even if she was entering the industry today, she'd still choose to follow the professional studio route rather than amateur sides.

Going through the studio system helps you learn things that you just cannot learn unless you're on a porn set, like even just like the hygiene that you learn on set, like you just unless you're exposed to people that have been in the industry for years, like that kind of knowledge, that informal knowledge system is passed down from performer to performer and director to performer.

Like when it comes to like I created my own, you know, sex tapes.

I guess when I was just starting and I had no idea how to position my legs and my arms or how to you know, twist my body so that the camera can see both, you know, my pussy and my face and my boobswinging at the same time.

You just you get taught these things on set by directors that have been in the game for decades, And I mean, I think you can learn a little bit of it just from watching porn, but nothing.

You just don't get the same kind of knowledge.

I can't help but think back to something Bonnie told me last night at the panel while we were waiting for Angela to arrive.

We were discussing Bonnie's recent world record gang bang, and she admitted to being clueless when she first started having sex on camera.

Before I would have been like embarrassed, So I didn't know everything about sex.

But I sometimes you just don't know, and that's okay.

What don't you know about?

It's just loads, Even like sex positions.

Sometimes you start listening them off and I think I've got no idea which ones they are, Like they mentioned different things or different terminology, and I think, I don't know what that is.

Even just last week.

When I did the world record, there was positions these eighteen year olds you mentioned to me, and I was like, I don't know what which one do you mean?

Just tell me?

Do I need to go on my back, my side, my front light?

Tell me.

Well, Bonnie seems to be stumbling through the world of adult entertainment and making it up as she goes along.

Angela has diligently studied the fine art of fornicating and got a college degree in porn.

Literally, she majored in gender studies and graduated with first class honors writing her dissertation in pornography.

She's an adult entertainment officionado, a porn purist, a true aute and this is all on display in her most recent film, titled Fuck Angela.

It's a retro homage to her favorite genre of erotica, early two thousands gonzo.

This work has wowed critics and been labeled an authentic love letter to the era of Y two K Smart.

It's expected to be celebrated at the Adult Video News Awards later this week.

Seeing the way technology has been moving forward and how personally I don't feel like it's been making porn better, Like even the aspect ratio.

The aspect ratio has changed in porn, Like back in the late nineties, only two thousands it was four x three, and that really pushed the action into the viewer's face, like everything's really tight, Whereas you know, when you go into like a more cinematic mode, all you're seeing is more of the room.

So I love having that old school aspect ratio that really brings the viewer into the action.

It makes them feel like it's happening right there in front of their eyes.

And then so fuck Angeler.

I shot on the VX two thousand.

And for people who don't know, explain what the VX two thousand is.

It is a cult camera.

Well, the VX one thousand is a cult camera for pawn and skateboarding.

The VX two thousand a little bit more so for pawn, just because it had better low light capability.

So I shot it on the VX two thousand, which is a twenty four year old camera which so much of that early gonzo porn was shot on.

And the reason it's it's so important for the porn industry was it's the first lightweight camera that you could really run an gun with, so shoot gorilla style doesn't have to be on tripods, you don't have to have a giant shoulder rig.

You can just hold it in your hand and go wherever you want in the location and follow the performers as they fuck.

For listeners who don't know what is gonzo porn.

Traditionally, gonzo was pawn that broke the fourth wall, so it came from gonzo journalism.

So the director would be somehow involved in the scene, not necessarily sexually.

They might just be involved by talking to the girl beforehand, like panning up and down, telling her that she's sexy, and then bringing in male talent or female talent to have sex with.

The director becomes the avatar for the audience in those scenes.

With the early two thousands gonzo porn, they wouldn't even set up lighting.

They would just get to a location and tell the performers, fuck, how you want to fuck, and they would just go about the room and like fuck on the couch, then go up the stairs and fuck in the bedroom and fucking the but like it was just it created this chaos were so interesting to watch.

In many ways, this gonzo genre influenced the style of porn we see now with adult creators like Bonnie Blue on OnlyFans.

The DIY stuff or a lot of it is similar to that kind of run and gun gorilla style shot gonzo porn because a lot of people are not setting up lights, they're not even necessarily getting a location.

They're just pulling their phone out and shooting amateur content with their partners or with other performers that they're collabing with.

The biggest difference, though, is many of the DIY creators don't seem to be aware of the genre they're replicating, and they probably don't even care.

Unlike Angela, who toiled over all the period details for her latest nostalgia inspired movie, including getting the right kind of acrylic nails, lingerie and cybersilver eyeshadow.

Even I went down to like getting there was a very specific choker during that era, was like a black velvet choker with rhinestones that everyone used to wear in the early two thousand and it took me a long time.

Where did you find it?

eBay?

She even filmed in houses around San Fernando Valley, ducked behind the Hollywood Hills and Santa Monica Mountains.

Porn Valley, as it's playfully known in the industry, was the epicenter of porn during the smut Golden Age from the seventies to early two thousands, offering cheap warehouse space, suburban anonymity, and crucially distance from the prying eyes of Central Los Angeles.

Those houses, if you've watched porn in the last two decades.

You'll recognize those walls, those couches, that interior design from all of those classic two thousands porn movies.

Do you know whether the couches had been cleaned?

Look, every time I shoot at a location, I make sure we lisole, wipe and disinfect every couch because you just never know how diligent someone's can compete.

Right, A decade's old one couch.

So I will admit though some of the couches had been upgraded, because I'm sure you know they don't last getting fucked on that hard for that many years.

But I can imagine.

Yeah, but some some of those There's there's some purple couches that I shoot on in Fuck Angela, and they have been there since the eighties.

They have not changed.

Okay, some slight wear and tear.

Yeah, yeah, they don't look brand new.

I can tell you some interesting stains.

On this latest film may just be Angela's magnum opus.

And it's not the only old school cred on her CV.

Yes, like most professional porn stars, she has had to pivot into creative focused platforms like OnlyFans, but she also still sells a lot of DBDs.

The market is still big enough to warrant releasing.

A lot of fans are collectors.

You'll see on the floor today, fans will come with fifty DVDs for me to sign that they've collected.

I mean, there are people that still don't have great internet connections, So a classic DVD is just easier than having to deal with, you know, internet when potentially you're on the road or you just don't have the best connection.

And nothing's more frustrating than a stream that continually buffers.

Right right, but when you're trying to buffer yourself, you know, it's.

Like while filming Fuck Angela, she also recruited iconic porn directors of the era, including Jules Jordan, John Stagliano, and Johnny Darco, who guided Angela through a scene involving well, I'll just let her explain it.

So I did a blowbanguh.

And what's a blowbank for people who might not know?

Okay, so a blowbank.

So everyone knows what a gang bang is.

It's one girl with a bunch of different guys having sex with her.

So a blowbank is just like that, but for blow jobs.

So it'll be one girl and many different guys getting filatio basically, so it was just me and seven guys and a blowbang.

Is a very visual scene because obviously you've got a lot of tall men surrounding a girl on her knees.

It's very hot and very filthy.

And what kind of as a director, what kind of instructions did he give you to execute that scene?

So his main thing, The main thing for me is that, like when a guy is coming, I love to look up at him.

I love to watch his face when he comes.

And Johnny is all he's very precise about his shots and he wants his shots, every shot to be perfect.

So when the guys are coming, he wants the girl looking directly into the camera lens and not lifting her chin to look at the guys.

So that's the hardest thing for me because I love looking at them.

So he was like, you have to look into the lens and let them just come on your face and not look at them coming.

There's nothing technical to that, but.

There is, And that's why you're approached Angela.

That's why you're.

Hello, shit, okay, no, no, that's okay.

Yeah, where are you guys off to now?

Oh my god?

I signed for browsers to run up and put.

My Unlike Bonnie, Angela can't keep her devotees waiting.

After all, her catfished fan Vincent may already be there downstairs in the ballroom of the casino.

Fans are already lining up to see Angela.

Among them are Tom and John, two buddies in their thirties who traveled from Orange County, California, just to see her.

She's alw incredible body, natural beauty, There's a lot there.

She was the most searched porn star on pornhub last year.

Did you add to those searches.

I'm sure we did our part.

I'm sure we contributed.

What do you like about Angela's porn Is her artistry?

John?

Is it her just her sense of poise, her demeanor, her casual elegance.

Between that and the she's got a lovely set of kind.

Of blue eyes.

Talking to punters and industry executives, one thing becomes clear.

Angela White may just be the last true porn star the world will ever see.

Raina.

One of the greatest porn stars is Angela Wait, without question, her work ethic, her tenacity, her ability, her love, her passion, She embodies everything you would want in an adult film star.

I have yet to see anyone match what she does.

That's Brian Gross, a porn power publicist who's wrangling the major adult entertainers this week in the lead up to the awards.

Over the past thirty years, he has made a career out of turning centerfolds into celebrities.

When you're in the room with angela Way, she exudes such an energy.

She's so positive, she has the biggest smile you've ever seen, and she puts her heart and soul into her work, and I just appreciate everything she does.

She is no nonsense, but she puts on a scene that is absolutely incredible.

While working for Vivid Entertainment, one of the largest porn studios at the time, Brian experienced perhaps his biggest claim to fame, shepherding the crossover success of porn star Jeanine Lynn Moulder, who went from the pages of a smut magazine to the cover of Blink one eight two's smash hit nineteen ninety nine album Enema of the State, which sold over fifteen million copies around the world.

Janine was a penthouse pat who then became a Vivid girl and was arguably one of the biggest names in the adult industry because she had this look, tall, blonde, very stunning, and she had no one had ever seen anyone like her in movies before, outside of maybe Jenna Jamison.

So the opportunity comes.

Now an entire world is seeing her on the cover of an album which went platinum multi times over.

So you think about all the eyeballs in the reach, and sure she wound up in two of the videos, and you know, people just discovering her because it was such a popular album for the band.

It had number one singles at alternative radio and crossover into pop, and obviously the band went on a world tour and they grew in such a way that they had never experienced.

And for the band, it just put you know, having an adult film star on an album and having a grow the way it did was something that had never been seen before.

So a lot of it was stuff that had never happened.

She went on The Howard Stern Show, we went to New York, we went to the MTV Music Awards in ninety nine, and we just got opportunity after opportunity to promote her, promote the album, promote the band promote vivid and sort of turn the world on its head.

Will we ever see celebrity porn stars like we did in the nineties and the two thousands.

No, it's too different now in what way, the impact effect and whatnot.

We're so desensitized.

Shock factor in this day and age is definitely different.

So, I mean, I don't know what celebrity we would see.

In the two thousands, there was a peak of porn stars crossing over into mainstream culture.

Jenna Jamison appeared in a two thousand and two music video for Eminem and voice to character based on herself in the animated TV series Family Guy.

She even inspired a secret character in the Tony Hawk pro skate a video game.

And then there's Sasha Gray, who went from porn star to movie star for acclaimed director Steven Soderberg's two thousand and nine drama called The Girlfriend Experience.

There was also a multi episode arc on the HBO series Entourage.

Brian says Angela White might just be the last glimpse of a porn star with mainstream appeal.

How does someone like Angela White compare to Bonnie Blue?

Can you compare them?

I can't, but because I Remember she's not overnight.

She's doing it a long time.

She built this name for a long time and she has done an incredible job doing so.

So if you want overnight success, I wish you luck.

But if you're long haul and you know this and this is a long game, you're going to have a better chance at success versus I'm going to be famous overnight.

Overnight success in almost anything isn't real.

We've had the one hit wonders in our lives.

We've had people come and go saying I'm going to be famous tomorrow.

You know, so different than an athlete.

You know, an athlete as a child comes up through the ranks, you know, whatever sport they choose in their teens, goes to college or goes to independent leagues and improves and improves and improves the ten thousand hours.

So this is no different.

Like you might be the most beautiful person in the world, but at the end of the day, what are you going to do about it?

You know, what are you gonna do with it?

And at the same time do what you have to do to garner more attention?

And in what whyse are we seeing that play out in this sort of modern day of DIY creatis wow.

I mean we're seeing extreme things like girls supposedly having sex with thousands of people and getting publicity for it.

And we're seeing things like people saying or doing extreme things to garner attention.

So you know, if it can still shock people that maybe it'll have interest.

What do you think of those shock tactics and are they just a pr strategy?

You gotta be careful, you know, because it can.

Backfire in what way?

Well, if you get caught, if you're lying, height if you're not telling the truth, you know, media might support you and then they'll turn on you.

So I mean, you you better be your story, better be real, because all it takes is one person to find out it's not and one media outlet to question all the other media that's supported it, and the dominos will fall.

Shift, flowing off the line.

Today, what's happened?

What's happened?

Something really.

Happened?

Last night?

I'm walking through the nicotine centered hallways with a longtime pawn veteran who wants to remain anonymous.

He's sharing the latest gossip.

Apparently there's been another alleged stunt.

Bonnie has called out her former collaborator Lily Phillips.

The ladies were friends and have even filmed together, but they've now come to public blows over Bonnie's thousand man gangbang.

After Lily announced she was going to do it, Bonnie beat her to the punch and now says Lily stole the idea from her.

Lily has since responded by upping the ante again by announcing plans to conquer a backdoor challenge with as many guys as possible it's a headspin.

The two ladies will come face to face later this week at the Oscars of Pawn, where they're both up against each other in the fan voted category of favorite Independent Female Creator.

Here's Bonnie telling Andrew Tate all about the rivalry on a podcast.

Iak, Hey, I re want to step with a thousand people.

I want to break aboard record.

A week she promotes on a social media hey, I want to sleep with a thousand people.

I was like, that was my mistake.

I was naive and thought people could support one another.

I thought you could share this is what I like to do in my career.

Turns out it's not always the case.

Would you say she was disloyal?

Yeah?

I mean she never needed to be loyal to me.

It's the cleverest thing she's done.

Between her and Lily.

You Reckon's manufacturer, hip Hop goes through that beef all the time.

Don't they start a briefing, some really brief I have my doubt, seen, my suspicions, and my experience.

We know this for twenty years.

I know the ship.

It's six point thirty here in Las Vegas.

Bonnie Blue has seemingly gone to ground again after making a brief appearance last night.

She's been locked up in her expensive airbnb, where her team held an emergency meeting today.

They won't say what it's about or what's wrong.

I don't seem to think that it has anything to do with the illness that she's been experiencing in the past few days.

It sounds like it's a new issue that's come up.

Bonnie's team have blocked all access to her.

It comes just a few hours after some news headlines hit about Bonnie criticizing fellow Only Fans creator Lily Phillips, saying that Lily stole her idea to sleep with a thousand men in a single day.

People in the industry seem to think that it's all fabricated just to get more headlines.

Meanwhile, Angela White is standing at a booth meeting and greeting hundreds of fans who are lined up around the auditorium just to get the chance to chat to her.

She's signing photos of herself and memorabilia that you guys.

And some girls have brought to get her signature on.

So Angela's security guard is standing by and he's on the lookout for the stalker who presented a bit of a situation for a team earlier today when he called her hotel room.

They don't know exactly what he looks like, but they know that he said the phrase golly gosh a number of times, and Angela is theorizing that he's in his fifties.

Right now, she's.

Smiling and hugging a middle aged man on a red motorized scooter and he looks like he's having the best day of his life.

He's brought a magazine with her pictures in it, and she's signed it and he's tucked it away safely in a tote bag.

Now he's whispered a request into her ear, and she's jumped up into his lap.

Straddled him and spread her legs, and then he drives away and he almost runs over other punters with Angela in his lap.

Her security team follow.

People leap out of the way as the man on the scooter does lapse.

Of the room.

Some fans can't believe what they're witnessing.

I just saw Angela White roll by on a motorized scooter.

When the guy finally drops Angela back off, he's got a grin on his face and he reaches into his pocket to pull out a sweat rag to wipe off his glistening scalp.

After taking a moment to catch his breath, he tells me his name is Greg.

It's not the first time this fifty nine year old from Idaho has given Angela the ride of her life.

I've been coming to this since two thousand and two, so a lot of the stars of my friends I am actually deceived.

I'm denoted by spinal quard.

She's always showed me love.

In other words, when I'm in the chair, I've driven her around.

She always tell me she wants to go for a ride, so I always given all right.

I love our personality, the fact that she's personable She's beautiful, and she makes you feel like you're the only person in no matter what side.

There's still no sign of Vincent, the catfish fan who called Angela's hotel room earlier today.

Her team is positioned in the crowd, ready to intervene.

Right now, her team and her security guards walking up and down the line, analyzing everyone.

They're looking to see whether they make eye contact, what their behavior is like, if they're trying to hide anything.

The only thing that really stands out visually is their middle aged guys.

With greasy hair who wear a lot of sports jerseys across the room.

As Kieren Lee, one of the highest paid male porn stars, his most notable achievement getting his penis insured for one million dollars.

Well, it was.

Inshured many years ago.

I'd probably say with the wearin tarr is probably worth about ten dollars.

Now, what kind of wear and tair has it experienced?

It has seen a lot of vaginas, a lot of boom hooles, and a lot of mouths.

He shoots regularly for Brass's, the same studio Angela's contracted too, and the pair have filmed scenes together.

Karen has also starred with Bonnie Blue and Lily Phillips.

What did you think of that first time that you performed with Bonnie.

She's brilliant, really nice girl.

I had no clue what was to come next.

Listen, she's found a niche and she's exploring it and good honor.

You know, a lot of people are criticized the but you know, it's no different to what a lot of other you know, porn genres have been where you know, I may play the older gentleman with a younger girl.

She's just switching the roles.

Describe that criticism that we're seeing now.

Oh, there's a lot of backlash, a lot of she's going to be filled with STDs.

She's exploiting, you know, young gentlemen and the age thing.

Yeah, it's a tricky one because when I was eighteen, I was starting porn and I was full of hormones.

Do I regret it?

No, I don't, because I went on to have a fantastic career.

Some of these gentlemen might regret it, but listen, they have the option to wear a mask and things like that, so their identity will never be shown.

Have you ever seen people come into the industry and then regret it.

Yeah, many times, what does that look like?

A lot of you know, girls might come in and they shoot every form of scene.

That's possible, boy girl, boy girl ain.

Or dp's gangbangs and all them things, and then they have a regret when they maybe meet a partner down the line and they want to step out the industry and they're getting backlash from their partner who might not forgive them, shall I say, for doing them kind of scenes and give them a lot of shit.

And then a lot of the times them relationships don't mask.

Comparing someone like Angela White to Bonnie Blue, are you able to compare them?

Nah, there's no comparison Angela White.

She's the queen of the industry.

Angela's worked tirelessly, let her performances through the talking, really strategically mapped out her career, and she's done it in the best way possible.

You'll never find a single person inside the industry or outside the industry that has a bad word to say about Angela White.

I don't think you'll ever find any negative publicity online about Angela at all.

There is literally no comparison between Angela White and Bonnie Blue.

I ask Kieran what the perception is of Bonnie Blue inside the industry at the moment.

He says, there's speculation over the stunts and irritation over the bad press they're attracting.

They just look at as another OnlyFans creator.

Until she's shooting mainstream porn regularly, people won't really accept her as a mainstream porn star.

It's just a content creator.

The beef that I've seen is obviously between her and Lily Phillips, and they're both vying for the tidele Love shall we say, biggest mattress actress, and Lily's another one.

She's from Derby, my hometown as well, so it must be something in the water in Derby.

A lot of people don't believe that she's done a thousand guys until maybe we see the content.

I still don't think a lot of people will believe it.

So yeah, a lot of people don't really believe that it was a thousand guys.

But if she did it fair play, that's her achievement.

I really don't like some of the publicity stunts that some of the girls have grown out there because we've worked so hard for many years in the industry to try and make it a safe environment to show people we're careful, we respect boundaries, we do right by the testing procedures.

And some of the girls that are coming in content creators, shall we say, haven't been given the advice from senior porn stars where hey, you need to do it like this that and create that safe environment, and some of the publicitystems just gives a really bad look to the industry in the whole.

Do you think it kind of sets the industry back sometimes and reinvigorates a lot of the stigma.

Yeah, one hundred percent.

Over the years, we've taken two steps forward and things like this.

Sometimes when the publicity isn't for the right reasons, it's like taking three steps back.

There are many different ways to enter the industry, from overnight successes like Bonnie to workhorses like Angela who grind their way to the top.

But once you've made it, we're too next.

In an industry that values youth and beauty, what do you do when time passes and your star begins to weigh?

Apparently there's only one stop, milk or Mum, I'd like to you can fill in the rest.

Industry execs tell me that masquerading as a mum in pornos is the reality for many childless female performers once they enter their thirties, but not everyone is willing to be banished to motherhood.

I think back to an odd moment during my interview earlier today with Angela White.

Also, you do you've done milk porn before?

Right?

No?

Never, Never have you been approached about doing the.

No, I don't.

I don't do milk porn.

Why why don't?

That's a hard No, that's that's also a hard norm if we can cut that out of the Okay, Sorry I should have mentioned that.

No, Sorry, yeah, yeah, it's just not my branding.

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One director, they know that I've shot a lot with He just said to me, He's like, I don't know if the market's driving this or we're pushing it upon people, you know, with all the faux inset.

The foe says, because it's so popular and it's so bizarre.

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