Episode Transcript
Because groups are gross if no misclukes, no team, and mum knows more of them.
Welcome to.
Another episode of Fax.
I'm your host, Steven.
Boyce, we're doing our 6th.
Ecumenical.
Council.
Episode typically have pat.
With me, but he's been traveling around the country doing a lot of different things.
So today I'm going to handle the subject by myself and then.
We have already started and.
Got into the deepness.
Of Nicaea 2 and all the canons and their writings and the controversy and the different elements that come with icons.
So.
Be ready for that.
We've been studying.
We've been.
Looking.
We've been researching.
We're looking forward to finishing this.
Series next.
Week with the Ecumenical Council known as Nicaea 2, which is.
The 7th, but today we're going to cover the six.
Because I don't want to speed past.
This.
There's a lot of.
Controversy that needs to be answered.
By a lot of people.
That come to the table with the subject.
Of Ecumenical councils #1 The Catholics have some thinking and explaining.
To do the Orthodox.
Have some thinking and explaining.
To do in both.
Circumstances so.
One of the things that I want to do today is I'm going to give us a rundown on this ecumenical council known as Constantinople.
Three.
The second.
Thing I want to do is point out.
Some of the letters and the correspondence.
That went into this, especially since Pope's died in the middle of the council.
There is some confusion as to what certain people believed.
I mean, we have a Pope being.
Condemned in this Council, but it seems that the Council is contradicting itself.
From prior agreements to letters, so we're.
Going to get into all of this.
I'm going to.
Give you a rundown and then we're going to end with the controversy.
I'm going to ask questions.
I'm going to ask questions.
Theologically, practically, and historically.
And.
We're going to see.
What you come up?
With in the comments section, we.
Want to hear from?
You on these differing ideas that come into play because it's not a small.
Issue it's.
Actually a rather serious issue.
All right, so let's.
Talk about the timing of this.
This is between the year 6.
80 and 681.
Again, it's known as the 6th Ecumenical Council, the third council from the city of Constantinople.
So let's kind of give the framework if we would.
Here.
I'm going to.
Ask a question theologically.
And I'm going to see how you respond and and.
Reply to it.
That is, if Christ.
Didn't have a human will.
Was he actually human?
If Christ did not.
Have.
Two wills.
A human will.
And a divine will.
Was he actually a human?
Being Why is that important for our discussion today?
Because it it really ties into the reactions, the attitude, the decisions of Jesus.
In the gospel narratives especially.
In the Garden of Gethsemane, which we'll get into, this becomes a major conflict.
For our understanding of Christology.
And how we?
Answer that question.
Which attaches to.
Decisions that have been made.
All the way back.
To the Council.
Of Ephesus.
Chalcedon and the previous Council of Constantinople.
Too this question.
Has to be highlighted.
Because it touches on previous decisions that were made in these other councils.
So that's.
That's the first controversial theological question.
Now let's take.
The practical historical question.
Here as well, can a Pope be condemned.
By an ecumenical council.
And can he be condemned and the Council be wrong, or can he be?
Condemned and the Council.
Be right what?
Implications.
Does that have either?
Direction.
These are things.
To go into SO.
You know this isn't.
Just about.
Theology.
This isn't just.
About.
Ecumenical Councils.
This speaks.
Widely to the Christological and the ecclesiastical.
Side of things when?
We're getting into a.
Subject like this.
So here we are.
We're in the 7th century Chalcedon took.
Place in 451 we're not.
Too far removed from that, the Empire has found itself fractured.
There's a lot of.
Dispute still going on between the Oriental Church and the Eastern.
Churches that.
Sided with Chalcedon and.
Sided with Ephesus.
Now we're finding a schism is not resolving as they tried.
To do and accommodate.
Prior to this, it's not.
It's not.
Brought what they wanted.
Unity, it's it's continued that not just in in in a.
Spiritual sense, but even in a political sense as well.
Now we find Islamic pressure comes in, they've expanded in their religion and they are now going on.
Schemes of attack.
And putting.
Pressure on Byzantium?
And now it's creating.
Pressure.
Not only.
Within the Christian.
Faith, but outside of the Christian.
Faith as these issues arise in these cities.
So.
The issues that wouldn't just go away are.
Are.
Pretty clear, Chalcedon affirmed.
That Jesus.
Had two natures.
So that left this question, how do those natures operate?
I mean if if if Jesus has two.
Natures.
Are they in?
Competition.
Are they perfectly?
Harmonized And if they are perfectly harmonized, how?
Are they perfectly harmonized?
So this introduces us.
To.
Constantine The.
4th The Emperor who?
Comes in play once again trying to find unity.
In the church.
And finds disunity and.
Hopes.
To reconcile it here.
And in fact it it doesn't.
Reconcile it at all.
It creates greater problems.
So here comes the.
Thought process and heresy.
That is identified to the Council.
Monothelatism is now on on.
Display what does that?
Mean well, it's 2 words in Greek mono meaning one thelema or phthalatism comes from the.
Idea of the will.
Thelema.
Is the inserted will.
Of a person.
Thelema is an.
Important thing for humanity.
This is the big debate, right?
Do we have a free will?
Like I mean, how many?
Times has that been debated?
Between, you know.
Calvinism and Arminianism or looking at it from.
Augustinian Perspectives.
What they're talking about Thomas Aquinas's view of the.
Will.
I mean these.
Things have been debated.
For a very, very long time.
When we're talking about.
Thelema do we have a will?
When most people would say yes, even a Calvinist would would.
Speak of the will in a depraved sense or restored, redeemed sense in that manner.
We would all agree.
That humans are operating.
With this and that is a part of our.
Humanity.
We would also say.
That you know if God became a man, and we believe he did in the incarnation.
And we're about to celebrate that.
This time of year.
Christmas that this.
Will had to be distinct.
From the Divine.
Or does it?
See, that becomes a point of contention and debate here.
So what was defended or argued?
Against was monothelatism.
Which is Jesus only.
Had one will whereas.
The.
Major part of the.
Council is arguing.
Against it and saying.
No.
He had two wills, so how do we?
How do we identify this?
How do we keep ourselves?
From a slippery slope.
And getting ourselves into.
Heresy.
Here the claim was that Christ.
Had one will not 2 the counter is no.
Within the humanity of.
Christ in this.
This beauty.
That has been reconciled all the way back.
From Ephesus.
Whether to Theotokos?
Or whether you're talking about the.
Identification and historianism and how.
It went into error.
On this and then later in Chalcedon, looking at the extremes of all of these things at Constantinople.
2.
It has been identified.
That he is both.
Divine and human.
The Hypostatic.
Union has been established and now that is gone, not only.
Into a personhood, but the perspective of the identity of the will.
Does that mean Christ has?
But two wills or?
One will that is now.
The issue at hand?
Now it sounds orthodox.
To say yes.
Christ had one will.
Why does that sound orthodox?
Well, because it avoids internal conflicts of the.
Natures of Christ.
The Divine and the.
Human that he.
Is of one mind.
That he even.
Knows 2 persons, has one mind.
So it.
Seems like a reasonable.
Compromisable position, but then it doesn't.
Because it.
Fails in so many.
Ways is.
In addition.
To that one.
It would imply he had no human will at all.
No.
Real human obedience.
Why is that significant?
Well, we fast.
Forward into the.
Gospels Jesus is.
Sitting in the.
Garden of Gethsemane in a.
Matter of prayer.
And agony.
And Luke goes far as to say sweating.
Great drops of blood.
And we see these words off the lips of Jesus.
Father if it is.
Possible.
Let this cup pass from me, nevertheless, not my will.
But thy.
Will be done.
We see the tension.
In the garden of.
Gethsemane between the will of Christ.
His human will was to let the cup pass, but yet the human will submitted to the divine will.
So the question then becomes, do we actually have human obedience?
Of the sun.
Or was it?
Just for show what?
Happened here.
What Christ does not.
Assume he does not heal.
That is the.
Key to this idea.
If Christ does not assume.
The human desire and will then how is.
He, our great high Priest.
How is he sympathetic to us in.
Matters of distress and.
Obedience and difficulty.
It seems to bring great nullity to the idea.
Of the Writings of.
Hebrews this becomes an instrumental debate.
For our understanding of Christology.
So the.
Council itself comes into play.
You have a couple of basic.
Facts that are in.
In the discussion here.
One the third council has met, they're going into this with about.
300 people, most.
Of which are bishops?
They're hearing the different debates this has been.
A trial and error.
Situation of hearing different people involved.
Obviously it's in Constantinople, that's why it's called Constantinople.
3.
So things.
That they identified one, they identify the.
Scripture as a source for this like passages I just.
Shared and many more 2 they look back.
On the patristic writings and look at predecessors and they go back and say well I mean.
This was discussed here or this was.
Identified at this Council.
They quote certain popes.
So they use a.
Lot of.
Material to come.
To some sort of.
Conclusion here.
To make an authoritative.
Decision now the highlighted letter that comes into.
Play is the letter of Pope Agatho.
And I'm going to bring that up on the screen in.
Just a second, but.
Agatho explicitly affirms there's two wills in.
Christ.
Obviously, the divine and the human.
And this is received.
As Orthodox and traditional.
In fact, they stated once they received this.
Letter of Agatho that quote Peter has spoken through Pope Agatho.
We would go, oh.
Great, fantastic in a decision.
Made.
Chrysler crisis averted.
Problem solved.
Except.
By accepting.
Peter has spoken.
It creates two major firework reactions as.
We get into this.
Now I'm.
Going to bring that up on the screen and I'm going to show it to you in just a second, but.
Before I do that, let's talk about what the.
Council declares and defines by the.
End of this.
And then we're going to go back to that letter We're.
Going to keep that in our mind.
That they believe in this letter that Agatha wrote.
To the Council, that.
Peter.
Has spoken and they have accepted.
This.
Declaration.
Now he dies.
In the middle of this and Leo the second.
Assumes the the.
Rest of the Council.
And its decisions which?
Again, becomes problematic because I I.
Personally believe that Pope Agatha stays alive through the end of this.
Council, some decisions.
May have been different.
I'm going to explain why in a minute, but let's see what.
They decree, and what they say they.
Declare that Christ has.
Two natures.
They declare he has two.
Wills, but they also.
Declare that he has 2 energies, 2 operating wills and passions.
And desires.
And play.
Outs of those things.
But they do bring clarification to that because it's like, so could the human.
Will contradict the divine.
No, they say that the human will is never.
Opposed to the divine.
So that.
Tension we find in.
The Garden of Gethsemane is tension.
It's real tension, but that the human will would have.
Never contradicted the divine.
That's why we see the obedience take place.
So yes, it is a free will of the.
Human nature of Christ.
But it is also.
Real, passionate and energized.
But that it is always.
Subservient to the divine.
And that Christ's tension.
Within the wills always fell in place to obedience, leaving the true example of obedience to our.
Father so this was clarified there that the.
Human wills never.
Oppose it is always.
In in.
Keeping with the divine.
And that it was free.
Real and obedient so.
Christ.
Can save humanity willingly by willingly obey the.
Divine Will of the.
Father.
And the divine desire.
Of the son to.
Save his people.
From their sins and so.
All of that has.
Been resolved in the.
Declaration of the tension.
Now there are consequences, and there are.
Condemnations that came from this which is is.
Really the problem, right?
So major figures are condemned.
Makarius of Antioch is the Patriarch.
He is condemned and.
Other bishops and theologians.
Tied to the monothelatism are all now being condemned now.
Makarius of Antioch is appealing to the council and he.
Writes a letter saying.
I'm actually in agreement.
With Pope Honorius.
And so he drags Rome into.
This that happened prior in the century.
Saying, well, I, I you're condemning me, but like, based on what?
I actually agree.
With one of the prior.
Popes.
So this sends a.
Chocolate.
Pope Honorius the First.
Would indirectly also be.
Condemned.
Now he's been dead.
He's been dead for a while, and he too would be condemned.
So Pope Leo the Second.
Has to come into.
Play here and so because the.
Letter was.
Never read in advance.
By Makarius of Antioch.
It was then being read for the.
First time and.
Translated in this gathering.
What ends up happening?
Well, you can't condemn Macarius of Antioch.
Without condemning Honorius, Honorius the first as well.
Because he's appealing to.
Honorius.
So they condemn him.
For not guarding orthodoxy.
In his papacy, now the 8th.
Ecumenical Council doesn't just condemn his lack.
Of involvement, of protecting.
But go on to explain.
They condemn his teaching on the matter.
Why is that problematic?
What you say?
Well, because it condemns the Pope, Yeah, OK.
That that is problematic.
In itself, but that that is not the main problem here.
The problem is is we.
Have a contradiction between.
Pope's and the.
Council contradicting itself so.
They seem to condemn.
Him for negligence and some would say it wasn't dogmatic.
Definitions per SE, but I actually maybe.
So, but it's still a massive problem.
So what I want?
To do here is I want to bring.
On to the screen.
A letter that happened.
In in our and I wanted.
To identify a word.
Here and I and I showed it on the screen.
It's the word undefiled and it.
Needs to be explained because at.
The end of the day, there's a massive, massive.
Issue when Pope.
Agatho is writing.
In the middle.
Of this remember he.
Died in the middle.
He writes a letter as the Bishop of.
Rome.
To these leaders, making a.
Decision.
Now I put the word undefiled.
Here in our our discussion.
One of the things that was read here in view of.
All of this.
Is major conflicts about what can the Pope do and.
Not.
Do.
What can the Pope say that is considered safe?
Or error or never error, right?
So what I did is I I typed in the word undefiled because this is an important discussion that's going.
To be brought up now, I'm not going to read the whole thing for the sake of time, but we do need to understand what's going on here.
I'm going to start back at the beginning.
Here as he goes through this paragraph.
He says moreover, most pious and God instructed sons and.
Lords if the.
Archbishop of the Church.
Of Constantinople shall choose to hold.
And to preach with us the most.
Unblameable rule of Apostolic.
Doctrine of the Sacred.
Scriptures.
Of the venerable synods.
And other spiritual fathers according to their.
Evangelical understanding.
Through which the form of truth has been set.
Forth by.
US for the.
Assistance of the Spirit.
Now right off the.
Beginning here, you know, obviously, Pope Agatho believes.
That these councils are defined by sacred.
Scripture Other.
Synods that have met spiritual fathers before them and.
That they are assisted by the Holy Spirit.
He goes on to say.
There will be ensure great peace to them that love the name of God and will remain.
No scandal of dissension and that.
Will come to pass, which is recorded in the.
Acts of the Apostles went through the grace of the Holy Spirit, the people.
Have come to acknowledge Christianity.
All of us will be of 1 heart and of one mind.
What if which?
God forbid he shall.
Prefer to embrace the novelty, but lately?
Introduced by others shall.
Ensnare himself with doctrines which are.
Alien to the rule?
Of Orthodox truth.
And of our Apostolic faith.
To decline, which is.
Injurious to the souls.
These have put off despite the exhortation.
And admonition of our.
Predecessors in the Apostolic.
Sea down to this day.
He himself shall know.
What kind of?
Answer he will give.
In such and contempt to divine.
Examination of Christ before the Judge of all who is in heaven, to whom when we come to judgement.
Also, ourselves are about.
To give an account.
Of the ministry.
Of preaching the truth which has been committed to us.
Or for the toleration.
Of things contrary to the Christian.
Religion now.
Here.
Here it is.
He's saying that we have been brought.
To this.
Point we've been.
Brought by the.
Divine will of God to.
Answer matters.
Like this to not.
Start a new.
Doctrine, but to continue.
And already established doctrine that is gone before us.
So he says, and we may we.
As I humbly.
Pray preserve unconfusedly.
And freely.
With simplicity and pure.
And.
Purely whole and undefiled, the Apostolic and evangelical.
Rule of the right.
Faith, as we have received it from the beginning, say again, he said.
We're not starting something new, we're continuing something that has already been.
Established in old now note what's going on here.
And may your most.
August Serenity for the affection and reverence which you.
Bear to the Catholic.
And Apostolic.
Right.
Catch what he's about to say The Apostolic right faith.
Received the perfect reward of your pious laborers from our Lord.
Jesus Christ himself the.
Ruler with you of you, of your Christian.
Empire, whose true confession?
You.
Desire preserved.
And undefiled.
If you had your.
Desire to preserve undefiled because nothing in any.
Respect has been.
Neglected or admitted by your God Crown clemency which?
Could minister to the.
Peace of all churches provided always that the integrity of the true faith was maintained, since God, the Judge of all who disposes.
The ending of all matters as.
He deemed most expedient seek out the intent.
Of the heart.
Will accept a zeal of piety, therefore I exhort.
You, O most pious and Clement.
Emperor together with the littleness, every Christian and man.
Exhorts you on.
Bended knee with humanity that the God pleasing goodness and.
Admirable imperial benefits which?
Heavenly condensation is vouchsafed.
To grant the human race through God, through your God.
Accepted care.
This also would order for.
Now let me back.
Up here.
He's Speaking of an.
Undefiled decision, that.
Does not air.
Now I want to back up.
Because this becomes instrumental as we continue.
Through this discussion.
Now I'm going to fast.
Forward here to another section.
He continues to say from the beginning she has received.
The Christian.
Faith from her founders.
Princess of the.
Apostles of Christ.
And remains undefiled until the end.
According to the.
Divine promise of the Lord and.
Savior Jesus.
Our Lord and.
Savior Himself.
Which he uttered.
In the holy Gospels.
To the Prince of.
His.
Disciples Peter Peter Behold Satan his.
Desire to have you.
That he may sift you as wheat.
But I have prayed for you that your faith will not.
And when you are converted, strengthen your brothers.
Now catch.
Catch what Agatha says that.
She has received the Christian.
Faith from her founders.
Through the Princess of the Apostles, which seems to be particularly here going back to Peter and.
Paul but.
Especially Peter, he says.
That their doctrine has.
Remained undefiled unto the end, and that, that.
Is in keeping with the divine.
Promise that Christ said.
To Peter, that even though Satan.
Desired to have him that he.
Would want his system as wheat, but that he had.
Prayed for him and that.
He would be converted.
And strengthened his brethren.
By the end, so that's fair, we have the.
Promise.
And they're accepting the promise that the faith.
Would not go into error.
Here's the problem.
It continues.
Let your tranquil clemency.
Therefore, consider, since this is the Lord and Savior of all whose faith it is that promise, that Peters.
Face should not fail.
And exhort him to strengthen.
His brothers, Brethren.
How it is known to all that the.
Apostolic.
Pontiff says the Pope's the.
Predecessors of my littleness.
Have always confidently done this very.
Thing of whom our.
Littleness since I have received the ministry of.
Divine designation wishes to be a follower, although unequal to them and at least for all.
For woe is me if I neglect.
To preach the truth.
Of my Lord.
Which they have, sincerely.
Preached and then he goes through these woes if I don't fall.
Through.
Did you catch it?
He said that this.
Promise was not.
Just fulfilled randomly but explicitly through the Apostolic Pontiff's the Pope's.
His predecessor.
Now why is this problematic?
It's problematic for this very.
Reason #1.
Honorius the First.
Honorius the First.
Was one of his.
Predecessors.
He's saying they got it right.
Based on the promise of scripture.
And that they will always get it right now let me tell.
You why that's?
Important because they're.
Speaking of some sort.
Of ex cathedra some.
Sort of inability to error.
On matters of Christian.
Faith and moral, by the way, when you go.
Back in time and you look at.
This and then you.
Fast forward yourself all the way to.
An ecumenical council in Rome.
Vatican 1.
Guess which letter they.
Cite.
To defend the position of papal infallibility, you're.
Reading it on the screen if you're watching on YouTube.
Or you just heard it if you're listening on the podcast.
Remains.
Undefiled unto the end, according to the Divine.
Promise of the Lord.
And he is claiming.
That that.
Promise has been maintained.
By all of the.
Apostolic Pontius, including his.
Predecessors, which includes Honorius the.
First, who is?
Later after this.
Going to be condemned with the Patriarch of Antioch by Pope Leo the Second.
Because remember, Agatha dies.
In the middle of this.
Now why?
Is this also a?
Second problem.
First problem.
Is we seem to have a contradiction amongst Pope's because Pope Leo the Second makes a condemnation.
Soon as the Ecumenical Council the 8th 1 from.
What just got declared here by Pope Agatha?
Here's the second problem.
Now I.
Can hear some eastern.
Orthodox friends, come here.
And say all.
Right.
Yeah, see this.
Is why I wouldn't accept papal infallibility now.
Again, there's a lot to work through.
Here, and that's not the point of this episode.
It's introduced the fact that we got to.
Deal and wrestle with.
These things and some people want to ignore them.
By the way, there's a lot.
Written on this by Eric Ibarra, Michael Lofton.
They've done a lot of.
Work on this where?
Nobody else seems to want to touch it.
But here's here's a question.
The East simply goes see, we're we're.
Exempt.
No, no you're not.
Here's why.
All of the eastern patriarchs in an ecumenical.
Council Constantinople accept.
This agree to it and confirm it as a decision.
Of the Council.
The Orthodox in this situation have.
Signed on to some.
Sort of teaching that the pontiffs of Rome have never erred.
In matters of faith and.
Morals in its history or could in its future.
Now I'm sure that the letters are.
Typing in the comments as I speak.
From those who sympathize with the East and the West.
And that's.
Good, that's what.
We want you to do.
We want you to think here.
Here's.
My admonition to you don't just respond to this.
Don't just react to this.
My admonition would be please think deeply before you react and study this out.
There are explanations, there are some decent.
Ones and some bad.
Ones.
But here's the problem.
And I go back to.
This in this letter.
We have a Pope stating that there's an infallibility to the doctrines.
Of the Apostolic.
Pontiffs of Rome.
And that all the predecessors got it right.
Then a few months.
Later, after this letter is accepted, Pope.
Leo the Second condemns Honorius.
The.
First with.
The Patriarch of Antioch.
Because the Patriarch Antioch.
Had to appeal to the letter.
Sent to the Council.
And states.
Hey, Honorius.
Believe this.
Why am I being?
Condemned.
So then they respond with.
An he.
He was an heir to, which contradicts.
What they just accepted in the same council.
So we have to ask ourselves, is every?
Decision in an ecumenical Council, valid and right every time and infallible.
It would appear.
That we have to ask that.
Question and say probably.
Not or do we?
Need to contextualize.
It.
This is what the East and the West have had to do for years.
Contextualize this very question.
So the proposition is.
This Let's start with the theology.
Did the Council get the theology?
Correct.
I believe they did.
I think that Jesus.
Had two wills.
That he had the divine of the human.
And that the human.
Was always going to.
Be in.
Subject to the divine.
But that.
They were two wills.
That he had.
True human will.
There's a.
Lot of reasons theologically for that we could.
Unpack that through the.
Virgin birth that goes back to.
Ephesus and the Theotokos.
And that he.
Did not have the sin.
Nature of a father through his virgin birth.
There's a lot.
Of nuances.
That could be argued with it.
So that's that's a key point.
Theologically, did they get it right?
Yes, in their ananthemas.
Did they get it right?
Here's the problem earlier.
Pope's before this.
Council had already defended other doctrines.
Like Honorius the first.
And said that he was being.
Misunderstood or that he's.
Being interpreted wrong, guys like John the 4th.
According to this, Agatha believed that Honorius wouldn't have gotten it.
Wrong, he believed.
They made right.
Decisions on matters of faith.
Fulfilling the promise of Jesus.
To Peter.
So again.
We are left.
In a conundrum that cannot be explained away by simplicity, but by study.
Now I want to.
Leave this intention.
My goal is to create some tension.
Here for some conversation for some comments.
How do you resolve?
This.
Those are listen that are.
Protestant, How do you?
Resolve it and don't.
Just say well.
Say that just proves our point.
It doesn't.
It doesn't at all, because it leaves a lot of other things unresolved.
It doesn't solve.
The major issue just solves this single issue.
If you're Anglican and you're, you know, leaning into this and you go.
I don't accept all seven.
I reject this one anyway because you're one of those that only accepts 4, not 7.
Or if you're Anglo Catholics, say I accept all seven, well.
What's your thoughts?
Eastern Orthodox?
What do you accept?
You can't just say, well, see.
That just proves our point, except for.
The fact that you're patriarchs.
At an ecumenical council signed on to what?
Agatha said.
So there's a time where in your.
History there seems to be some sort of belief that.
The Pope was.
Infallible in the past.
And could never be an error.
How do you explain it on your end, Catholics?
How do you?
Explain it.
How do you?
Deal with.
This how do you?
Deal with the tension you have popes.
Contradicting each other.
How did Agatha survive?
I don't think that declaration would have happened.
I think there'd have been some contextualizations or something.
Leo the second moved a quick.
Reaction that I.
Think was not exactly in keeping with what Agatha.
His predecessor would have done so.
How do you deal with that?
These are questions to.
Leave in tension.
I hope you think through them.
I hope you you.
Spent some time working through that in your own.
Mind.
All right folks, this is the 6th.
Ecumenical Council, this is Constantinople.
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