You know, I always wondered if our ancestors were into various healing remedies.

One of the remedies that I know because I'm in northern California and the local Miwok Indians were big on soaking their bodies in the springs and the hot springs in this area.

And I gotta tell you, when I first started going to Kalistoga, which is just north of me, about an hour drive, I was like amazed at how healing these sulfur spas were.

And it's a it's uh water that comes up deep from underground.

It's modified, meaning that they add cold water to it so it's not burning your skin off, and they filled pools with it.

And I've been going probably a couple of decades, if not more, to Kalustoga when I need a break, and you know, I typically come off a tour and we just finished our Guatamolow tour in mid December.

I take a day or two and go up to Calustoga and just kind of ex hell and soaking the water.

And I gotta say this, and I just came back.

I go Thursday, I come back Friday.

Sometimes I come back Saturday.

But I got up there on Thursday, and I got there about after dinner.

I got there on six and put on my suit, got my bathroom ball, on my thongs and walked out.

And I was not really in my body.

I was thinking about something else.

But as I walked in and I started dipping in the pool, it pused about one hundred and three hundred and four degrees.

I I just shifted and I was like, it was so deeply relaxing and soothing, and I was just in another world.

And if you haven't, if you can do it, if you're around a place in your state, in your country where you have a mineral spring, you should definitely do it at least once a month, just for the detox.

That's one of the big pluses, but also because it heals your muscles and your ligaments if you have any broken bones.

And that's the other thing is I was wondering, you know, I fractured my finger in Guatemala coming off a pyramid walk.

I slipped and fell and I just located and popped it back in.

But it was black and blue.

Its like, what the hell is this all about?

It turns out I fracture my little finger, and so I was soaking in the tunnel and I was like, WHOA, I can feel it.

I can feel the heat affecting this area.

Not a severe fracture, nothing, you know that's going to take a long time.

Well it'll take a few months to heal, but just all around, deep, deep, deep, soothing heat.

And there's also something about the minerals that absorb into your body.

I only can sit in it for about maybe thirty minutes at the very most.

I have some friends that I've brought up there.

They only can sit in there for about twenty minutes or less.

It's hot, but there's something about the minerals that leeches.

I don't know if it leaches minerals out of your body.

But if you're not aware of what's happening, you know, you can get dizzy, and you can I guess you could pass out, which is not what you want to do.

So you got to keep an eye on things.

But what a great way to relax and heal.

And I'm very thankful that I live close to It's funny because when I was a kid, I was in Central California.

My grandfather would take us to this place called Avla Spa.

It was an outdoor spring and in those days they didn't do much with the water and it smelled like sulfur, smell like rotten eggs.

But I like that.

I like that kind of natural environment.

So anyhow, Hey, how you doing.

This is clip your host of Earth Agents, and today we are presenting a panel discussion on what happened last year.

It's twenty twenty five, a year in review, and we have a great group of people, including doctor Heather Lynn, who just launched a new podcast, and we have Hugh Newman.

We all know Hugh, and then we have Trevor Grassei, and we typically have Jen Dale.

Jen couldn't do it, she's in the middle of some project.

But I think you're gonna find some interesting observations because each of these individuals is an influencer in their own way, and if they're not writing, they're talking about changes at conferences and they are presenting their point of view, and they each have a very large thousands and thousands of people kind of following with they what they're up to.

But today's program covers a lot of ground, including some recent discoveries, some unusual archaeological discoveries that I was not aware of, and some tidbits that kind of launched us into the new year twenty twenty six, which is a good thing because there's a lot to really look forward to in the new year, and we get the year started in a good manner.

I want to mention also that I've been asked to speak at the New Living Expo, which is going to be in Santrafel, which is in a city in the San Francisco Bay area, April seventeenth, Friday the seventeenth, and I'm going to be talking about this book I'm writing called the Maya Controversy, and one of the chapters in there on what I've discovered in my research on Mayan pyramid tech, and not only in Mayan pyramid tech, what has come to be understood as the migration of different cultures into the Americas, but prior to written history, this is thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago.

Our current archaeological community believes that the only way that people came to Mexico or Central America is through the bearing straight coming from Asia in through present day Russia, through Alaska, crossing an ice bridge, and then coming down in through Canada Alaska, Canada, and then present day, United States and New Mexico.

Well, they just can't get over themselves when it comes to migration.

And as you've heard for years, we've had experts and our academics discussing the fact that there's a great deal of evidence for cross transatlantic trans Pacific travel from China, from Asia, from Australia, from Europe, Africa and other parts of the world into the Americas.

And so I present some interesting and new data and I think you'll if you give a chance to come by, come by and say hi.

You know, it's a big expo.

There's a couple hundred people speaking over the three days of Friday, Saturday and Sunday, April seventeen, eighteen to nineteenth.

For more information, go to New Livingexpo dot com and you can see the program guide for the whole show.

Love to meet you, and I think you'll find this presentation, which includes slides, very very compelling.

And because you know, the thing is, our historians, you know, are a tight little community and for anyone to rock the boat, they could lose their funding.

And that's the big problem is people are worried about tenure and funding, and so they can't rock the boat and say, yeah, I believe that there were sophisticated peoples prior to the younger Dryest event hundred years ago.

You know, you can't say that because if you don't follow the we were stone age people, you know, until four or five thousand years ago, then you're ostracized your I mean, it's it's a tough deal, and I can see it in a lot of friends.

Even people like Ed Barnhardt question a lot of the theory.

And we've had people on the show who are students say what the hell are you teaching me?

You know, they're working with books that are very much out of date, and the professors are very unlike unlikely to change their status quot on how things happen, how things progressed, and where people migrated to.

So anyhow, I could go on forever on this.

Come to the New Living Expo April seventeenth, and you can go if you go to a New Livingexpo dot com and look at their schedule.

I think I'm speaking at five, which is gonna be tough for some people because that's right in the middle of you know, commute traffic.

But if you can show up, great, If you can't, well you tried I might play part of the presentation on a special edition of the program.

So so yeah, if you can come out, great to see you be fun.

New Living Expo just was released, all the data was just released.

It's a big show and there's a lot of really, really, really good people that come out and our participants in that program.

So today's program is twenty twenty five, the Year in Review.

My guests are doctor Heather Lynn, Hugh Newman, and Trevor Grassey.

This is an extended program.

I think we go for almost two hours, but there's a lot of good material in this thing, and I think you're gonna like it, so enjoy.

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It's that time of year.

Every year we take a look back at the previous year, and it is a look at twenty twenty five, the year in review.

It's an important year because of so many discoveries, so many topics that we've featured here on Earth Ancients and I have a great group of friends that I've invited to join me in discussing what happened last year.

Topics that influenced them perhaps were remarkable for their disclosure or revelation, and we're going to hear from everybody today in a round robin discussion on these topics.

Twenty twenty five, a Year in Review.

My first guest is doctor Heather Lynn.

We've had Heather on before.

She's an archaeologist historian.

She's the author of a number of books including Ananaki Revelation, Evil Archaeology, and she just launched a new pot cast called The Midnight Academy and we're going to learn a little bit more about that.

Welcome Heather, great to see you, Thanks for having me.

Our next guest is Trevor Grassy.

Trevor has been a guest number of times.

He's a research investigator, writer and a filmmaker and he is constantly in the news with his research on the SARS technology and details on that.

So welcome Trevor.

Good to see you, buddy, Thank you, good to see you again.

Thanks Cleve.

And my final guest is Hugh Newman.

Hugh has been on the program many times.

He's an author, research investigator, host of Megel Lithomania.

The tours are also a big deal for him and he's written a couple of different books, Secret of the Mounds, and giants on record, and he's always traveling.

His tours are excellent, by the way, So welcome you.

Hi, thanks for having me on Cliff.

Good to see you, buddy.

And so each of my guests today have submitted a number of topics that we want to discuss that influenced them as influencers.

Each of these individuals is an influencer, and we want to start with Heather, and Heather found a really good one having to do with artificial intelligence, and it's basically redating the Dead Sea scrolls.

So Heather, I want you to give us a little overview on that because I found that an amazing topic and it's really funny because we don't hear enough about artificial intelligence in archaeology because it seems like it's fairly new, but it's not, is.

It No, And it's up and coming, as I'm sure you could imagine.

And this particular story was interesting to me because of the possibility that it shows that we have ahead of us for what we could use artificial intelligence for in the archaeological community, and also some of the risks I would say, because it's not all utopian.

So the Dead Sea scrolls, everybody loves to learn about and talk about.

But the problem with them, among other things, is the dating of them.

And it's important to know that this discovery, we'll call it a discovery.

I'm hesitant to say that we know for sure because again it is artificial intelligence, and some people will say, yeah.

But how do you know?

And it could be hallucinating.

But it was a very good study that was published in Plus one journal.

It was a project that was ongoing for a while, so a couple of years they've been developing this academics at the camar On Institute Israel, Antiquities Authority and a few other different people.

What they did was they looked at these particular fragments and they cleaned probably about I think it was thirty samples to remove the contamination, and they dated about twenty seven they feel success fully.

So what they did to do that was they had high resolution images of about twenty four of the ones that they had that were dated, and they were digital and they were fed then into this model that they named Enoch fittingly, and the AI.

It's so cool.

The AI learned to recognize microscopic ink traces and patterns and character shapes and things that would be considered invisible to the human eye, so things that maybe researchers didn't really pick up on before.

They thought, well, you know, let's see what AI can find out.

So it was tested on about thirteen additional radio carbon dated samples that they were sort of pretty good feeling about, but the dates were withheld from that.

So it correctly estimated the aide of them to about eighty five percent overlap with what they had used the radiocarbon ranges, and so that was how they were able to validate it and kind of say, you know what, this AI is really working.

So again, still a margin of error, but it really did add up to the ones that had been sort of radiocarbon dated and confirmed.

And so overall, Enoch analyzed about one hundred and thirty five of the scrolls and so they thought about seventy nine percent of the total were realistic, with about maybe twenty one percent or so being too old or too degradated to be able to know for sure, and.

So it was indecisive.

Yeah, so it's really cool because we're using AI now in ways that you know, push back the timeline once again, and that was probably the biggest thing about this in My view was the fact that if this is true, if we can rely on this artificial intelligence to tell us about the dates of this, then it does push back the narrative quite a while, and it gives a new way to look at the Book of Enoch, which usually is discounted as being sort of out there and lots of wild and wacky things that so called alternative communities love to talk about.

But they say, well, you know, that was written later, it was sort of added.

But what we can now see is that well, according to the dates, it actually goes back during the Second Temple period, which means that it would have been potentially an accepted viewpoint in their theology, meaning maybe it wasn't so far out, maybe it was relevant.

It's so amazing that they use the Book of Enoch because it's such as an esoteric book.

You know, the church fathers removed it because it was just too much for the you know, the standards of religion, and for them to use that is That's really what I thought was an amazing addition to that research is the.

Book of I know, I thought that was so wild and it really does make us think look not only in like sort of the alternative viewpoints of it, but even mainline Christian apologetics, because the argument is often well, you know, the books they've been translated over and over again are not really that old.

And while that's true to an extent, this kind of sheds light that well, wait a seconds, according to the Dead Sea Scrolls, they are much older and more intact, and it's just a little glimpse into what's possible using artificial intelligence to maybe redate or re understand or kind of you know, just add and push back that narrative, timeline and everything.

It really makes us questions.

So again, still in its early stages, they feel pretty confident about the results.

The numbers are amazing, but you know, AI has a great potential in archaeology.

I love that one.

Here.

What do you think of that Dead Sea Scrolls.

I think it's I think it's really cool.

Yeah, I was actually interviewed about that for a Popular History Channel TV show you mentioned a little while ago, and and and it's there's a lot of good stuff going on.

I mean, i'd be I'd be interesting.

Actually in the Book of Giants that was like part of the Dead Sea Squalls because that was much more broken up.

That was much more scattered.

I mean, I've got a copy of the book, you know, a republication of if someone's sort of trying to translate it, there's loads of bits missing out of it.

So do you know if they're going to be doing that, because that would be interesting because that talks about all the kind of all the giants of ancient you know, the Bible lands and everything else, you know, linking it with the Nephelin and all that kind of stuff.

So that would be interesting.

But I think there's there's a lot of other stuff.

I'm sure you know he's aware of.

It's the whole they're doing.

They're applying it to light our technology as well.

There there's a new thing that Irving Finkel of the British Museum Cot with this small one of the tablets, one of the sort of what could be he believes could be like a Sumerian thing you press, you know, and on clay and things like this, and it's actually a part of a language.

So analyzing Beckley Teppe would be fascinating to me as well.

But I think, yeah, I think you're right that this this is like this could really change things how we understand these ancient texts and even even you know, decode what's you know carved in stone at many of these sites.

Yeah, has a I been applied to any of the tippies Quebecley, Teppy, Carahan Teppee?

Have they been?

Is in't it for any of the sculptures or some of the symbology?

Not yet?

No, no, no, But this is something we could probably get into.

I think Martin Sweatman may have touched on it when he was looking at trying to you know, work out the calendrics of pillar forty three and other such things.

But I think there's a whole, you know, there's a whole.

Considering so little has been uncovered there, I'd like to see more come out and then you can do some analysis.

There's so little to work with at the moment.

Is kind of bizarre.

But I think I think there's a connection personally between the Book of Enoch and these sites in Testepola as well.

I think Andrew Collins has written about that.

We've talked about it over the years, and it could be like the missing kind of chapter of human history that kind of helps unlock all this stuff.

If they crack on with the excavating their.

Yeah, Trevor, what's your impression of this discovery.

This sounds really interesting to me.

It's kind of the first t I'm hearing about these new studies on them.

But I've been very fascinated with the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Nakhamedy Library, all of these, and especially the Book of Enoch that I think is very important.

I've been seeing all these connections between you know, what they call the watchers in that book, and like you're saying, flim some of these early cultures tied to giants things like that.

I see a parallel between that and the Egyptian shemsu whore, which were like the offspring of the gods and humans hybrids basically.

So, Yeah, it's very interesting.

I'd like to look more into it, but I haven't really seen much about it yet.

Yeah, hither you mentioned in the in your tidbit on the actual discovery that they had it the AI train on known civilizations?

What were the two civilizations that they were keen.

On the known civilizations?

Were the artificial intelligence was keen?

They they had a train on two different kinds of dialects, Arameic, I think it was something.

Else to Aramaic.

And then I believe I just remember the Aramic so I apologies for that.

This.

Yeah, they were doing some Smarian stuff as well.

They were looking at many of the old tablets that are being broken, and they were actually using it to peace like you know, you know, when the whole kind of Iraq and all that area was being kind of excavated, looted, other such things.

All these tablets were broken.

They were picking them up and going off into different collections, you know, but luckily most of them are photographed and available to look at at least, and they started putting them back together using AI.

So they've actually used it to actually sort of rebuild and you know, try and you know, work out what they were actually telling us.

So there's a lot of that going on.

Well yeah, I don't know if that was the enoch one, but maybe it was.

I had to check, But yeah, they have done that with the cuneiform, and it's amazing because there's so many cuniformed tablets left to be translated, and right now there's only I mean, there's so many in museums that haven't been translated, and there's the estimates are about what half a million that are currently in a collection that we just don't really have and the answers for and so there's not a lot of people that are able to properly translate them.

That even if we had so many people trained armies of them, it would take just decades for everybody to do this.

And so that's something that artificial intelligence does offer, is the ability to condense that labor into something much faster.

Again, though always with that stipulation of it's not perfect.

There could be problems, and that's something we always have to consider, but the possibilities are endless and fascinating.

Do you think, as an archaeologist head, that the academic communities holding their breath on AI and they're waiting for some kind of greater validation, you know, and not really saying we hear what you're saying, we read about it, but we're still on the fence.

That's a very good question.

It has been my experience that it's split pretty evenly with people who are very much against it and very much for it.

And so there's pioneers who are out there like, let's let's go people, let's do this, but there are still a lot of individuals who are afraid.

But and I will say again with the caution the people should be concerned the ethics involved in this sort of thing, But it has been been my experience that that's not all that is the problem.

The problem that I've heard from people is that they're really feeling threatened, that their jobs are being threatened.

And so that's.

Another element of it that may while there are these ethical concerns, you know, you can hide behind that sort of moral veil while you're really just worried about your own career.

And that is something that I've known people on an individual level to be worried about, because, as we know, AI does have the potential to really replace a lot of humans, and so that's a big concern.

So you'll see, I'm sure a lot of pushback, but the pushback is about self interest and not always about the interest of the field and the discipline and the discovery itself.

But you know, so same old story.

Who who someone who gets a degree in anthropology and goes on to become an archaeologist.

How is AI going to replace that person?

A field research or a field steady person.

I don't see that maybe bookworm type of you know, in the studio or in research environment.

Individuals and maybe that's what you're referring to as a partition.

Absolutely, absolutely, for sure, or because most of the job that's actually done by archaeologist is not on the fields or in the field, it's in the lab where it's in the research after the fact.

And so there's many people who work as professors and in the academic industrial complex that are concerned about that, and they also have unrealistic concerns too, like perhaps it will be automated, maybe there will be digs that are just done by I mean, it's just more of a panic and I think a lot of it's based in fear of the unknown.

It's a good one.

Yeah, I look forward to seeing more on AI in twenty twenty six.

Trevor, I want to talk a little bit about the Awara Labyrinth that we basically touched on when you were on the program.

What's the latest and what can we hope for in twenty twenty six.

Well, it's a very very exciting prospects for Juara, which is for people who don't know this massive underground complex about ninety kilometers south of Giza in the Fayum Oasis that we were told all throughout history it was this extremely important, enormous structure underground that Herodotus was speaking about in the fifth century BC onward into past centuries, where eventually it was kind of determined that it wasn't there anymore, up until two thousand and eight when a couple teams had done work there and proved that it really was with GPR scans.

And twenty twenty five was the big year for it because Lewis the Cordier just came out with this scan from Merlin Burrows which was showing way more than we had seen before and it was well timed with the Coffer project in their scans of Giza, so it reignited the interest in Huara, and now Lewis is actually working to put together a project to basically restart what he had been doing in two thousand and eight.

So sorry, this is very exciting because it's he's starting to pull together all the people that are required to actually get a real address of water damage, which is the big issue there.

So that's part of it.

But we're waiting to hear what's coming in the next few weeks.

So one of the scans it's going to be putting out of paper about it.

One of the scans showed this omega sign and I forget what level it was on.

But does Herodotus speak about that portion of the labyrinth at all?

Not directly.

It's kind of a big canal or like a like a moat around the entire structure as he described it.

But yeah, we think it's potentially.

I don't know.

We have to wait and see and get down there pretty much.

To see what it is, okay, And what's the feeling of the Antiquities department.

We know that Zahi Hiwas has disavowed knowledge of the of the Hawara Labyrinth, among other anomalies in that part of the world.

Has that changed at all, Probably not for Zahi, but for the Antiquities department in general.

Maybe it sounds like some of them are open to it, especially if it starts the preservation project.

So it feels like things are shifting, but it's still very difficult to get the permits as it was back in those years.

Right, Heather, as an archaeologist, Have you had a chance to look at that labyrinth photos, the scans, the SAR technology behind the research.

Yeah, yeah, and I think they're amazing and impressive and also frustrating for those reasons that you just stated, because it's like, let's go.

But yes, there's always those circumstances aside from zahe and it's just always a factor of getting the locals involved.

In archaeology is an inherently destructive, you know activity and so and it's very political too, even if it's not meant to be.

It just has that there's a lot of implications for the things you discover, who discovers it, who takes credit for it, the possibility down the line for tourism.

There's just it's a whole can of worms.

So I can understand, but I don't love it.

And I just wish that everybody could say, let's just do this, let's find the truth, because it's very impressive.

Yeah, fun they all say it's it's one of the big goals that we want to achieve there, ideally with Lewis is to reroute the canal all the way around it.

That's one of the initial like there's kind of temporary fixes you could put in place to just stop the water from leaking in, but if we want to rewroute the entire canal around the side of it, which would be the ideal permanent fix for most of the flooding combined actually with like planting a lot of grasses in the northern area where this water is coming in from that side, it would hopefully stop all the leaking in so that if it was drained, we could access it with that instantly refilling.

But to move the whole canal would be a very expensive project.

So that's one of the big things we're working on right now is trying to raise probably a couple million dollars at least to be able to afford all that labor.

But if that part of it got started, I think it would lead onward towards excavations and getting to see all that stuff that's down there.

Yeah, and that is always the question too, is the funding.

We always want to go and see these things and see all these projects happen, but it is a question of funding, and it is very difficult to convince people that this is worthwhile.

So it's unfortunate.

I can't understand it, but again, everybody has priorities.

So yeah, well, there's there's a lot of the uh.

That's that's part of the part of the part that William Brown and I are helping trying to help raise the funding to help Lewis, because Lewis has been doing so much work there in the last year to set this all up, getting all the right people involved.

But I've also been talking I've been talking with him about being careful how much we say about the project so far.

But that's why Mostly I'm just saying I'm very excited.

I just talked to him actually minutes before this broadcast, and he said that we're probably within a week or two he'll be able to release this document, which when I read it, I was like, I was emotionally reacting to this reading this because it was so amazing all that he had pulled together all the right people, equipment.

So yeah, I think it looks like it's got a very good chance of succeeding.

We do have some funders very interested that sound pretty promising.

So most of the pieces all pretty much look in place.

I feel like that's about as much as they could say now, but I'm hoping we can reveal a lot more of that in the next couple of weeks.

You you've been that far the Egypt, what is your impression of that area.

I've been to Hawaarra a few times.

Yeah, that's I mean it's it's a very strange place somewhere we always want to go, and I'm going and excited.

The Pyramids really cool as well, because it doesn't look like much on the outside.

It looks kind of battered and ruined and everything, but you go inside it and you've got this beautiful rock cut kind of channel going down, like a passage going down, and then it's all flooded now.

But the chamber there is incredibly impressive.

But I mean we've always been there and just speculated.

We've looked at all the old kind of labyrinth maps, prodters and other people and speculated about it.

So if they can get down there and have a look, oh my god.

I mean, I mean it's going to be flooded, right, I mean the whole thing.

I mean, not just the sand, I mean the amount of you could just see the amount of sand that's built up there as well.

So anytime they go in anywhere, it's just gonna fill with sand or water.

So it's gonna be a complete nightmare.

They're gonna need millions to do anything there, aren't they.

Yeah, Heather, are we ready for a plus to scene ice age?

Advanced culture Discovery?

Is it?

Time to consider not Atlantis doesn't have to be Atlantis.

It give me another you know, pre dynastic.

High civilization.

I think we're overdue.

I think that's uh.

I think that we're going to find that for sure.

Uh.

And yeah Atlantis.

I mean, if you're thinking Aquaman and Mermaids, no, But if you're thinking playa House Atlantis, yes, absolutely yeah.

So no, no, no, no, So I definitely think that we're especially with go Beckley Tepe and everything that's going on out there.

I think, you know, I deal a lot with the Sumerian, of course, and they're like the first civilization in the first, this and the first?

But are they are they the first or are they just the recivilization?

Are they just what we have found?

So I suspect that, as with many things, it's going to be pushed back even further.

And the more we find out about Gobeckley Tepe, we're going to be shocked.

Maybe we won't, but they will, because that's been a narrative forever.

It's like, this is the first, this is when history starts, et cetera.

But it's only because that's as far back as we have been able to excavate or know, but yeah, we're bound to find something, at least in my lifetime.

I'm hoping.

But oh, I got I hope.

So yeah, we're going to take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly with my guests today discussing twenty twenty five, the year in review.

We'll be right back with you.

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Hugh, that leads us to you on carahand Teppy.

You have been reporting some amazing discoveries.

It seems like every week there's a new statue, there's a new symbol, there's a new dig that is being talk a little bit about karahand Tippy.

Yeah, kara An Tape is the kind of the place that keeps on giving.

Everyone knows that that's the kind of sister side it does.

Though honestly, I've been going there when they were just little tops of tea pillar sticking out of the earth, and so yeah, so to see it slowly get uncovered like this is astonishing.

I've got to be honest with you.

I was there recently for the winter solstice and I witnessed some of the new enclosures.

We witnessed the winter's soldiice alignment.

Again, we had a beautiful sunny morning to experience that.

We worry because the new roof is going to be built over it at some point this year, which could block it.

So we waited to see what's going to how that's going to develop.

But yeah, you talk about civilization, I mean the elements that are coming out of Carahan Tepe and go Beckley Tape, Say Birch and these other other sites in the whole what's called the Test Temple, a region which go back to eleven thousand, six hundred years old, does suggest it is a civilization at least.

I mean, I call it a super civilization.

Have done for ages because it's a different type of civilization.

Because you know, the word civilization has issues.

You know.

I've been discussing this with jay Ja and some other people, and I've started writing about it because it has to be redefined.

I think the actual word because of discoveries coming out of southeast Turkey and earlier dates of other places that are now coming to light because they may not have had a written language, which is part of the civilization idea.

They may not have had, you know, some specific elements that Sumerians or the Egyptians had, but they had other things going on.

There's evidence of advanced.

Geometry and metrology, ancient measures, sophisticated building techniques, many many other things, even evidence of early air conditioning at the Valley Try and things like this.

So there's elements of very high civilization, high culture at this time.

And as just as Kerahan Tepe is an example is that keeps getting excavated.

There's a whole, for example, they found this giant square room that was there all along, just buried, and it's beautifully it's almost like something from the Sumerian civilization or Egypt.

It's got these beautiful rock cut.

Benches, steps going down with these pillars in certain areas, and it doesn't look like Testepola, it doesn't look like it's from this culture.

It looks like it's something completely different.

But because it's the it's level in the bedrock as such, it must be that old and so and so this is, like Heather said, this is like the tip of the iceberg.

You know, we're really started to see and I think what Irving Finkle brought up with this small tablet that's been known about for years could have been you know, a press you kind of put into clay as part of the kind of seal that could suggest that as more discoveries get made, we are going to find the classic idea of civilization at these sites in time.

But we just need more time to you know, find that as it gets unearthed.

But there's there's more and more human statues.

There was a whole load of discoveries that came out in November twenty twenty five.

There were beautiful you know, we this head and this body that was attached to it from say Birch.

There's more evidence of you know, some of the tools they were using and the septors and things like this.

There's more.

These hundreds of these stone plates, beautifully cut shaped own plates have now been discovered.

His whole cachet have been was found at Karrahan Tepe and what's called the kitchen, and they're now actually you know, going they're going to do more at Goebecley Tepe as well.

There's been a bit of delay with quebecley Teppe because they've been doing a lot of infrastructure and laying out new paths, building a new visitor center.

There's a lot of controversy about that.

We heard about that, you know, over the last year or two.

But actually they've now done most of that and they cleared the olive trees out of the way and there's a whole area they're now looking at to excavate starting next this hopefully this year, if not next year.

And so yeah, so it's all happening, and I think I think people, as had said, they're going to be blown away consistently over the next decade at least.

Have they found a gravesite a burial of one of the or have they even identified that was a king or a ruler or an important individual in any of those areas described like that.

No, but they have found, like for example, the recent announcements from Saberch for instance, they found in the southern area where all the kind of dwellings are and also the sort of smaller and has used quite large enclosures as well, big tea pillars.

They found actually in the walls.

They found cachets of bones and skulls from different people, as though it was they were burying kind of underneath the site, which is the tradition you find in Turkey anyway, but also in the walls as well, they found like also Cephia Tepe they found which is near Carahan Tape, which it is a little bit younger than Krajanter, but they found again a cachet of skulls at a site Sorceano they found the skull Room it's called, which is possibly where they found They found actually human hemoglobin there, suggesting they could have even been sacrifices or something similar.

And so there are elements of it, but not giant tombs like you find in Egypt.

There's no big sarcopha guy or anything like that they might find it.

I mean, this is this is the this is the point they got five.

You got to five to ten percent of the area having so far been uncovered in total, so stuff could be found that kind of fits in with that.

Yeah, Trevor, what's your impression of Goebecley Tippy and Krahan Tippy.

Well, it's really interesting.

I've been following all his announcements and discovers there I really liked the conference presentation you gave it the are two years ago.

Actually we were talking about it.

It's interesting too that my friend Damla tomru Is, I think, hosting a conference about Gope Beckley Tepe in April or around then, I think, which sounds very interesting saying she's gonna have doctor Shock there.

And it reminds me also what we're talking about before the AI and stuff and Irving Finkel, they were both talking about these what were potentially the first written words that go beck tee and that was a paper written by Shock and Monic Safe Today a few years ago.

It sounds like some things that Irving Finkel is talking about are also suggesting some of the world's first languages at go Beckley Tepe.

So I think that's another very important aspect of it.

Not to mention the whole idea that it was intentionally buried, which I know we were talking about as well, Cliff, that idea that they had some ford knowledge of coming cataclysms and prepared for them is very very interesting as well.

So Yeah, I'm loving seeing all this new stuff coming up now, but hoping this year we'll see even more.

Yeah, hither have you had a chance to get out there, or have you had a chance to study some of the statuary that's been coming out of these places this well, Betty.

Teppe, not in person, I haven't been there yet, but absolutely the statuary, the different finds are amazing.

Some of the there's just so much.

But I really think that the thing that's been gripping me has been the potential, the thing you mentioned about Irving Finkle, the potential for there to be that written language, maybe like something before Sumerian.

And the fact that the little like a cylinder seal.

It's not a cylinder, but maybe the seal will call it that Irving Finkle reference.

That that hadn't been looked at more closely, That that was just sort of you know, not bigger news was surprising to me.

But now I've been I've been following it, and it's been really just a little overwhelming in some ways because there's just so much that could be and it's just like I think the new frontier right now of discovery, which I know that sounds a little hyperbolic, but it really is.

And so many things claim to rewrite history or change everything we know about history, and you know, things do have an impact, but this, I think this would definitely rewrite history.

I think the dates that they come up with these these locations Kraahan, Teppy, Quebeci, Teppe, and so forth are still a shock to the archaeological archaeological community because it's so far back in history, and it's almost like there's a huge gap between ten twelve, fourteen thousand years ago and the Sumerians are seven to eight thousand years ago.

What's going on between that time period?

You know?

And so I know Robert we're talking about that.

He was saying their paper.

They were talking about some of the intermediary languages that ended up with these, like Proto Runic languages, the Armenian ruins and stuff like that.

But what was really interesting, and why I mentioned AI in connection with that too, is because I think the AI the biggest way it can help archaeology is doing linguistic analysis.

And one of the things Robert was saying was that it was potentially tied to the wrong Go Rongo script at Eastern Island, So it's about as far as you can get from Turkey.

Oh that's an interesting one too, because I too was on talking to our friends on a television show regarding some of these things and presenting my research into the Wrongo Rongo script and how I used artificial intelligence to give a go at translating it and looking at all of those things for my book that's due out next year about AI and this sort of thing.

And what I found was again early, and I was using a much earlier model, but it was showing connections between Wrongo wrong Go and Sumerian ever so slightly.

But then it had like a third option that it was pulling toward the Finnish language, like very early Finnic language.

And so this and that's sort of known in little bits and pieces in academia that there is a connection between that height up there and north and then that you know low.

But the argument has been, well, you know, people made it up there and left a remnant and then that it wasn't sort of north to south or what have you.

But part of what I have been wondering, especially with artificial intelligence but also genomic research, is what is the real story about human migration.

We're told very definitively that you know, this is where we start and we kind of all move or almost like it's depicted as we're one collective group who just decide, come on, gang, let's go, and that nobody diverges from that, or that nobody decides to go back or to different areas.

But I think that after some sort of cataclysm where people have been essentially climate refugees and they're dispersed throughout, I think that that paints a different story of well, then how people may have moved around to survive, as opposed to just, you know, decide where civilization now and all of this.

And I think that kind of thought process, the idea that there was a cataclysm that displays so many people and sort of shook up the snowball and like we landed where we landed, and then had those missing years, so to speak.

I think that is really what makes traditional academia uncomfortable because it just shakes that whole narrative up.

And now, though, with artificial intelligence and with genetic information, we're getting a whole different look at not only who's been where and how, but how far back that all was.

And it's all pointing to very similar things that the alternative crowd has been talking about for a long time.

The alternative budge, Yeah, you're looking at for right now.

Yeah, a pseudo archaeologist, archaeologists.

I'm just very frustrated.

I'm in my research is in the Mayan culture and the migration story.

There is the land bridge, the bearing straight and it's just so ridiculous when you look at the various cultures who have settled in Mexico and Central America, people from Asia, Africa, the Middle East, Caucasians, even some races that are gone that had the long craining.

It's like the Parakas people are found in Mexico.

So I think the whole migration has to be the migration theory of the land bridge has to be revised.

It's just great work.

Anymore people get around, That's what we do.

Exactly, Hugh.

I wanted to follow up what I was it karahan Teppe last year?

Why is it taking them so long to excavate because there's I mean, they must have Karrahan Tippy alone.

There's like what twenty different underground subsurface temples.

Kraahan Tepe compared to Chepecti Tepe is moving relatively quickly, to be honest with you.

Yeah, and you've got to well, firstly, you've got to imagine, you know, you imagine like how fragile and old this is.

It's incredibly fragile, and it's very deep.

Some of it's like twenty thirty feet.

They've got to go down sometimes through solid layers and layers of rock and rubble and dirt and carefully remove it, so you could.

They've got to take their time.

But they, like I say, I was there, you know, just recently, and quite a lot more has been done already.

I mean, they only do a few months a year.

They need to do three or four months a year.

I think if that and so but I think and also I just want to mention coming back to the migration thing, because some of the data I've been looking at is to do with diffusionism, if you like, but also extremely early relating to gobeclu Tepe travel on boats between Cyprus and that part of Turkey, going back over thirteen to fourteen thousand years.

They found evidence of that because of like certain materials and obsidian and other such things they found much earlier, once go back a hundred more thousand years, would creat and other islands in the Mediterranean.

And so there's a lot to be said for that, and that's completely overlooked by a lot of people, but there was clearly movement between through the Mediterranean in other areas by the sea and the rivers and everything else in these extremely early times as well.

I think that's going to open up a whole new doorway into understanding.

You know who the Quebecley Tape, Carahan Tape people were.

But when it comes to excavation, you've got to remember they've just started excavating at a Yanlokoyak.

This is a site very close to say Birch, and this is a giant site.

We've been investigating this for years.

We've been we know the local mayor, we know the kind of local people that we've seen artifacts, We've had a look around.

We've found even found a teeper lying on the ground three or four years ago.

They're still lying there.

We checked when we were there in December and and they've called off a bit and they're going to start excavating there.

They're also excavating at say Birch, chack Mac Tape, Cephia Tape.

They've already these are all going already, habet Zuvan topes obviously, Carahan Tape and Quebecley Tape as well.

They're looking at starting a Cyc called yogum Birch as well, another site we've had a look at that's that's completely covered up, completely buried.

And there's even sites that haven't even started on, like Tasi Teppe for instance, or kurt Tape.

There's there's one's further afield.

They're working further north along the Tigris near the Abaca.

They're working on chianu Can Tepesi.

This is slightly younger site but fascinating.

And and there's there's a whole load of sites up the Tigris as well, which are out of the test Tepla zone, like Cortic Tape, bon Choc Lutala and all these other areas.

So there's this huge, huge scale of operation they're dealing with here and they keep finding new sites.

They found another one called Mendic Tape for instance, which is near se Birch and check Macta, and so they can't just I think that what they're doing now is they're getting teams from all over the world.

This whole Japanese team come in to do it yan Lahoyac.

They've got Japanese team working at Harbet Zuvain.

They've got the German Archaeology Association or whatever working at certain areas.

They've got Istanbul, They've got British people coming in, and so there's there's a I mean, the project is massive, and they hit that.

I think they've got they've got to take their time with it because they've got to create the infrastructure for like a lot more people are going to be wanted to visit these places as well.

But let's just see what happens.

Obviously, we go back regularly, so we report back constantly about what is actually going on on the ground there from family members, landowners as well as the archaeologists.

And I think I think we're going to be in for a lot more surprises.

I think it's going to be revelatory over the next few years.

Before I let you go, what is the thinking behind these subsurface temples?

Why are they building subservice?

Well?

This is this is most of the enclosures at all the sites seem to be subsurface.

Yeah, why build so most most of them initially are they cut into the bedrock.

The first thing they do, they get the clear of the bedrock and they cut into it and create the shape, create the geometry, sometimes like a coubecula Tepe.

They're quite low.

They're just you know, maybe a few inches or six six inches something like this.

Then they would kind of create little bits to sort of shove the tea pillars in and stuff like that.

But they were carved down into the bedrock deeply at places like Carahan Tepe and would actually go down, you know, like ten feet into bedrock and create half an enclosure, you know, from that, even the tea pillars carved out a solid bedrock.

So they do this a lot.

This is like part of the tradition.

It seems like they wanted to kind of mark the actual space permanently.

You get that with structure ab or the pillar shrine.

We have all these kind of phallic shaped pillars sticking up with the head sticking out the side.

Then the whole stone, but all of that is bedrock, all of it, and so that the whole is bedroll.

They're carving it out.

It's incredible what they do.

Why they do that, we don't know, you know, we can't work it out.

I think they wanted to create a permanent mark on the landscape, especially if they were recording astronomical alignments that they were at Carahan Tepe and I think it just became a traditional thing for them.

They wanted to work with the style.

They wanted to kind of, you know, create this thing, possibly to have water going into them as well for ritual purposes, but it could be many other reasons that we just don't know about yet.

Yeah, I get the feeling that my original impression was that they were all little mini observatories and being sub surface allowed them to gaze upward through the t pillars, and maybe that was the reason that they wanted to do it, because they couldn't do it in the landscape that they were living.

Yeah, I mean, the observatory idea is pretty solid in my opinion.

And Andrew Collins and various archaeo astronomers have worked on that.

The archaeologists don't agree.

They completely dismiss all astronomy in test Tepla completely, even the witness solstice thing, which you can literally go and observe it yourself, which I did a few weeks ago, and so you know that they're denying stuff which you could actually view yourself now very clearly.

And so that that bugs me because they say there were roofs over everything, so they didn't study the stars and this to me is bizarre because we know even like the Paleolithic caves of Europe, they were marking different constellations and things happening in the heavens inside caves like roofs, and so we know that that doesn't stop anything because you just literally step outside the edge and look, you know.

And also there would also always be windows and gaps in any roofs anyway where you know, you would study these things.

This is part of this is like the kiva tradition of North America.

So this is this is one of the big debates.

But I think there's there's something to be said for creating a permanent situation which they they could study from.

And I think it was also these were like universities, These were teaching areas.

These were like memory spaces.

They weren't just observatories, they weren't just ritual spaces.

They weren't just where people lived.

I think there was a whole different way of living and thinking that we're still trying to come to terms with and understand.

Hmmm.

I thought Schmidt had designated Quebecy, Teppe a few of the locations as people that had cosmology.

So you're saying that's not accepted now.

Not now.

Well, Claus Schmidt never really got into the astronomy thing too much, to be honest with you.

It was more archaeo astronomers, and you know, people like Market Sweatman, Andrew Collins, Golemgley and others from its Italian and Italian University.

They're the ones who sort of made these early discoveries looking more at the stars, the movements of the stars, with sickness, with the serious and other such things.

But now the solstices are coming to come to light because of the discovery at carahan Teppe the stonehead getting illuminated, which is really to me that I think that's the most solid one you've got there, and so it's almost you can't really dismiss it because it's observable.

And so that's what's so compelling about what's happening now, the way that they don't they completely dismiss any astronomy.

All their top archaeologists in the area repeat that over and over again, and so this is this is an issue.

So in a way we just have to ignore that and crack on with our research and our analysis.

And I mean, one of the things I personally could do.

And with Kevin Eslinger, he's a graphic three D artist.

He's we're rebuilding Carahan Teppe with the moving night sky from nine or so thousand BC and getting results, you know, even with artificial roofs placed over it, with windows, and you still get the results because they become like really you know, like portals to see the specific big part of the sky.

And so this is a really interesting thing we're working on.

We'll have to wait and see where we get with that.

We may have to get AI involved there you go and see what happens.

I might be mistaken, but it wasn't it Schmidt who he really only said in an interview that it was the first temple, and I think he mentioned that.

He sort of said that so that he could get more attention on the place.

And it's usually one of those safe things you can say in the field, like it's a ritual, like when you don't know all things are ritual, But then they never seem to want to push any further.

It's just like, oh, it's ritual.

But then when people do step up and offer the specifics of it, like okay, well, what does the archaeo astronomy say, what does this site say then it's like whoa, whoa, whoa.

Hold on a minute, you know, there's a pushback to that, and so that's kind of interesting.

Yeah, yeah, I hear what you're saying.

Yeah, because he called it the world's first temple.

That was this big tagline that when it was first being excavated in the nineties and early two thousands.

But you know, the archaeologists don't accept the temples at all.

Now, they say their their community spaces, their structures.

They sounds like a temple, doesn't it.

Yeah, And so but what they're finding is back then where Smith was doing his work, they didn't go they didn't get too far down basically into the bedrock in a lot of places.

And so now they found all these smaller structures all around the site.

So these are clearly where people would stay, whether they lived there all year around, wherever they were domestic, all around.

This is what the archaeologists say that they were.

But they we think, because they often are te pillars in them, in these small square structures, that they could actually be kind of sacred spaces where people would go certain times of year and do things there.

It was more ceremonial, it was more ritual.

But the work of J.

J.

Ainsworth, my partner who are working with on a book, with her analysis of the symbolism is going to open up a lot of a lot of problems for the archaeologist archaeologists because there's a huge amount of super ancient symbolism.

This it's in with Shocks and Man whose work as well with the old potential languages as well.

But there's clearly symbolism related to the movements in the heavens, you know, clearly, and this is what Martin Sweatman says as well, and so I think there's a bit of a divide getting it's even getting bigger where they're even the academic papers that have come out about from the archaeologists, they say they're kind of hinting that there's shamanic animistic elements, there's ritualistic elements, but they also think these were community spaces.

They were placed where people would meet and have meetings as well as ritual stuff, but they still absolutely remove any astronomy, which is quite frustrating.

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I'm amazed to hear that, because I thought there was a whole paper written on the cosmology of the that area.

So I'm sorry to hear that.

Yeah, you've got Martas Sweatman.

He wrote this academic paper, is from an Edinburgh university and he does statistical analysis and he probably spell I think it's twenty twenty four, and this broke the internet.

Basically, this went crazy and so and this really frustrated the people, you know, the archaeologists working.

But you know, it was just his interpretation, but he based it on statistical analysis, so he kind of did it in a very specific, very ordered, scientific manner and got some interesting things from it and published it because he felt that there was something going on here.

But similar things have been found earlier than that.

Now, going back into the paleolithics, something I've been looking into, where there's evidence that many of the Paleolithic people had some of this knowledge and it came through into the taes tepolar era.

There's clearly something going on there as well, which is usually heavily overlooked.

And yes, so there's a lot more to it that meets the eye.

And I think, but you also have this Italian Google and MAGLEI you know, from an Italian university.

He published a paper as well, an academic paper on you know, the movement of sirious and the orientation of the temples that could begley Tepe, but that got kind of disputed and dismissed.

Likewise, so Desandra Collins research likewise is Graham Hancock's and mine and JJ's and pretty much everyone else's.

But to be honest with you, I think the paradigm is shifting a little bit and the alternative research is whatever you want to call us.

You know, we're genuine We're not like, we're not making up crazy, ridiculous claims.

We're very sensible, and I think people realize that now we're not like, you know, we're not just trying to you know, you know, just influence people and come up with some crazy stuff to get attention.

We genuinely there are discoveries that are things that are really interesting, which anyone can see with their own eyes.

Like you mentioned too, though, the people have been painting on cave walls the stars and star maps for forever, and so it isn't so far fetched to think that people who are that advanced to have that sort of ability to have architecture and ritual and art, that they were also looking up and having a cosmology.

It just it seems like a no brainer.

Yeah, it is a no brainer.

I totally agree with you.

And I think this is like where I think a lot of people now think they're thinking for themselves, that they're listening to what alternative people are saying that they want.

I mean, there's a brilliant paper put out by Lee Claire, who's the head archaeologist, said a couple of years ago about the kind of ritualistic leaders and the special people there, and it was brilliant and it brought in all these different elements and everything else, but just completely excluded any of the astronomy, which is you know, we think is clearly marked there.

And this is something that JJ is going to be putting a lot of research into and we're going to be publishing that at some point.

Trevor, do you see a problem with the orthodox view of go Beckley Teppe, Tahan Karahan Teppe and what independence are discovering.

I see a clash in some sense.

Yeah, like he's describing, they are kind of ignoring a lot of this astronomical evidence.

And I was going to add on also Lard scrant and another friend of mine who's done really good work with linguistic analysis and looking at some of these early symbols, some of them at Go Beckley Tepe as well, where he's seeing connections potentially even to Hindu mythology and Ganesha and things like that.

So I think there, Yeah, I don't know.

There's been a lot of talk about how there's been suppression of the excavation of some of the sites in Turkey, which means, you know, Go Beckley Teppe, it is going very slow with the excavations.

But yeah, I think they're kind of sidelining and ignoring some of this stuff like you and the other people are bringing up.

So I think in general that astronomy has so much to do with the entire ancient world in Egypt and Turkey everywhere.

And I think I really recommend the book The case for astrology by John Anthony West, because I think that really ties back the idea that basically the aster astronomy and astrology both go back to basically before written language.

It would seem as far as we can see, they go back to sumer and to the very beginnings.

So yeah, I think the astronomy needs to be more taken into account with it.

I'd say, yeah, Heather, is what is going on with the orthodoxy with with Karahan Tipping not being in their view cosmological culture?

Is there a certain markers they're not meeting?

Is there is it?

They can't reference it because it's so old.

What's your feeling on that, because I think it's crazy for them to say that these are not observatories.

Well, I think you touched on it and pointed it out very well.

This idea of what civilization is in like an academic sense, there's sort of a you know, a bullet point list of what constitutes a civilization, and so it doesn't have all of those, but that's primarily because people haven't discovered everything.

There is a discover there, so as of now it's not considered a civilization.

But again, that is just sort of an arbitrary grouping of criteria that has been used to determine what is a civilization and it and it goes back to Sumor too.

So having a written language is important, of course, but then having large structures, having a process of education, professions, keeping of time, measurements, medicine, and all of these things have to sort of be in the arts of course, but there's numerous things on this list that all have to be present for it to be considered a true civilization.

And so that's one of the ways they can get around saying, well, you know, it's just a grouping of semi sittled hunder gatherers or they're just there's so many different ways around it.

And while that can technically be true because they're the ones that build that criteria, it does put a limitation on people's perspectives because it sort of gives it a scarlet letter, like, well, this isn't a civilization.

So and then the people that are going and putting out the research and saying, but wait, there could still be a language we're just now discovering.

It's the tip of the iceberg.

It's then easy for people to say, well, yeah, but it's not a civilization like, well, no, not yet.

But so I think it's the getting hung up on that term civilization because we know that there has been protoscripts, and we know that they're have been before Assumer large groupings of individuals and families and people and what we would call civilizations who left monuments and architecture and a cosmology, even if we don't understand it, and they are not considered civilizations.

So I think it's just the devil's in the details with that.

Yeah, you know, I was thinking.

They have a couple of wonderful museums in Turkey that highlight go Beckley, Tippy and carahand Teppy.

All the individuals that are featured in there are wearing loin cloths and bear animal clothing.

They're all Stone Age, and of course that's easy to fall back on because you know, if you're wearing loin cloths and animal clothing, you're not very bright.

Exactly, And that is a bias that's planted in and it's kind of pushed through film and entertainment and it just seeps into our subconscious where we think, well, you know, these people were pre historic goal because technically history begins at Sumer because history is where we say, oh, that's the written language, and so anything before that is prehistory, and so we automatically think sabertooth tigers and loincloths and people who say hugh, and it's just really unfair to say the least, and so that is a bias.

But I think the bias also has to do again with the careerism aspect of academia, insofar as there's this viewpoint where we're fighting between the myth of progress on one hand, which is a linear perspective of time, and then this idea that we kind of talk about a lot, which is the time is more of a cycle based system.

And I think that's a lot where people have.

The tension is we want to think of ourselves as constantly getting better and better and smarter and more advanced, and it threatens that narrative when we think perhaps people were more advanced in the past, and maybe something happened to them, maybe there's a cataclysm.

I think that line of thinking makes some sense, but if you exism in it too closely, it may make you have to reckon with your own mortality and where you don't measure up.

And I think that might also be the problem as well.

Their Heather has a fascinating article that she presents where they found the body of an Old Kingdom individual and actually research the genome of this individual.

Talk about that.

That's fascinating.

I haven't heard a great deal of that kind of research where they're looking at the DNA of a body, probably because they can't find enough material.

Exactly No, that's exactly right.

So that was published last summer in the journal Nature.

It was a collaboration between Francis Crik Institute, Liverpool University and a University of Aberdeen.

And yeah, what they did was they went in to look around at what they already had in a holding.

So it was a body that had been buried in a clay pot.

So that's part of the reason too that it was able to be used for a specimen.

So they had the original excavation was in nineteen oh two by British archaeologists.

So kind of interesting because it's a way that people have been able to now with new technology, go back literally into their archives and get new information from those old specimens.

And what they did find was that this individual they were able to extract the usable DNA, as you mentioned, it's really we think of Egypt as a place with all these mummies and an ability to have all these bodies, so surely there's some sort of usable specimen, but it's just not been the case.

So this was the first time that they were able to get something usable.

And not only that, but they actually laid out the entire genome and what they found was surprising to some, not surprising to others, as is usually the case.

But what they found was that evidence of the individual's ancestry put him at eighty percent North African ancestry Moroccan and areas as about, and then twenty percent Mesopotamian and Fertile Crescent.

So that was the big sort of discovery in that regard because it was thought that, of course, there was interaction at some point, particularly during this Old Kingdom period of you know, communitiforums starting and everything is just we're heading on, like with that quote civilization, but there wasn't any hard evidence really to put the two together.

I mean, as we've said, people move, people get around, they share, they share their cosmologies, they share technology, but there wasn't enough evidence to satisfy the community of the mainstream archaeologists that to suggest that there was in fact any sort of communication between them.

And so not only did we find that no, this is this is clear, it goes back thousands of years that the genome shows that there was an ancestor potentially much much longer than what they had originally suspected, indicating that, like we sort of mentioned earlier in the broadcast, that people have been on the move and they've been interacting, sharing stories, sharing cosmology, sharing DNA, and the human migration story is far different than what we ever imagined.

The mail was in really good shape.

What was interesting too, I want to say about his burial.

He was in the sealed ceramic pot and placed in a rock cut tomb, and that is kind of unusual because he wasn't anyone as we would think important for that time.

They did an analysis to determine he was about five foot two, probably between They gave a nice big age range, probably between about like forty four and sixty, But the lead archaeologists looked at it and thought, let's stay closer to sixty because the skeleton had a lot of osteo arthritis and some joint problems, and there was a bone spur in the back of his head, showing that he spent his career looking down a lot.

It was the same joints, the same bone spur that they have started to find in teenagers and young people now because they're looking down at their phones, and so it shows that he was looking down a lot.

And so aside from the fact he was looking down and some of the underdeveloped muscle evidence for his forearms, but that he was using his arms to move up.

They took all of this data and then of course the pot and thought, well, he most likely Their best hunch was that he was a potter.

Now why he still had such a relatively unusual burial burial for that type of person at the time is still a mystery.

But they were able to find a whole lot of information about him as an individual, and even go so far as to make a recreation of what he looked like, so literally just giving him a face.

But the fact that he had that eighty percent North African Neolithic ancestry in Morocco especially, but then that twenty percent Eastern Fertile Crescent, and that includes the Mesopotamian region, so like Iraq and Iran, but also Syria, and then palace signed in those regions, and so very interesting.

I thought, this is another one of these frontiers where where all of the evidence is going to be hard science based and the mainstream is not going to be able to keep it up for too much longer.

And what was the age of the burial or the bones?

Do we have as old kingdom for sure?

So that's the specimen itself, was they think about forty five hundred to forty eight hundred years old.

It was radiocarbon dated to to to toot that it was.

I think I think it was radiocarbonated between twenty eight and twenty five hundred BCE.

So I love that.

What do you think of that?

You he's looking for data?

Sorry, sorry I lost my mute button.

I just couldn't see he's speechless.

Exactly.

I think that's that's super cool.

I mean, the fact that this is like proper kind of analysis is now being done on these kind of people is the way forward.

I would love to see that that kind of thing done with Testebla skeletons.

They're finding that now found finding the bones, they're finding the skulls.

They've actually known about stuff there as well for quite a long, a couple of years or three years, and they haven't done.

Nothing's come out about it as well, So I would be intrigued, you know, to find you know, if they're going to find connections between places like Egypt and ancient Turkey, you know, because there's some very old sites in southern Egypt as well, and so I guess we've got to wait and see, you know, what happens with all that.

Do you know, have they found any any teeth there that were in good condition because that's where the best found skulls.

Yeah, they found skulls, whether there's I assume there's teeth on them.

Yeah, I mean I've seen photos from from say Birch for instance, and also at Chianna they've had for years as well, where they found a whole skull room, and so I assume they're going to have teeth.

And I'm sure analysis could be done because they have, they've been they preserved, they're there, they're not like rotten away.

So but yeah, maybe the stuff in the pipeline, maybe the stuff being analyzed and researched as we know.

But I guess again we're going to have to just wait and see, you know, when they eventually publish and present that.

Super cool.

Trevor, what's your feeling on that that skeleton, that discovery?

That sounds interesting.

I haven't heard anything about that.

Yeah, either.

I'm wondering if I just missed it.

I didn't hear if you said where that was found?

Exactly in Egypt?

Yeah, it was found in like nineteen oh two by British archaeologists.

And where and new I rot knew?

I wrat Yeah not surely.

It's about it's about two hundred and some kilometers south of Cairo.

Okay, it's an older site, like it's a This was a specimen that they had, like literally in their basement of a museum that they pulled out and tested.

So yeah, that's very interesting.

I had a friend who's been doing analysis on human hairs, some of the hairs that were found on some of the mummies, and she could find all different kinds of information about this person just from a single hair.

Just fascinating research she was doing.

But I haven't heard too much about analysis like this of different mummies.

So yeah, it's the first complete genome ever sequenced from an ancient Egyptian So that's so bad.

Yeah, yeah, it must be expensive.

Is that Is that a very cost prohibitive kind of research?

It is, It is definitely so, and it takes highly specialized materials and labs to do it.

That's probably what we don't see more of it.

Yeah, funny, Well wait, that's that's like the the one mummy that William Brown and I've talked about a lot.

He's my friend I've been working with at Giza, and there is a mummy that was pulled out from the village of Noazodel Simon in this illegal excavation that was a huge controversy.

All these people ended up dying down inside this shaft that collapsed in on them, but they pulled out eventually.

They pulled out this mummy from that chamber.

And I really have been wishing we could have done this analysis on that body because people were saying it was very unusual and I think a genome reading would have been pretty enlightening to see for that one.

But yeah, glad they're doing it to some anyway.

I want to see more of that kind of research.

I think it's fascinating.

I want to touch on synthetic aperture radar in this discussion.

This is something I thought twenty twenty five was kind of a highlight, kind of a new data release.

And what's the latest, Trevor on the scans not only at Giza but at Hawara and everywhere else.

Because I'm waiting for it to be more accepted.

I didn't know the military was using it and had used it, and it was considered top secret until very recently.

But what's the latest on this.

Yeah, different militaries have at least use similar techniques, if not pretty much the same.

But the latest is Philippa Is basically said by the summer of twenty twenty six they hope to be done with the whole Giza plateau, and he basically agreed with me to go to Huara right after they finished with Giza and make that the next one.

But I was actually trying to help him get a distributed network set up so that the computing power is really the bottleneck for him.

He can only do He said, with two computers running twenty four to seven, he could only get two hundred tomographic images in one year.

So we wanted to speed that process up and let people contribute their computing processing, their computer processor's power to him.

But we're working on that we're going to be in Egypt together in March.

Actually he's going to come and give a presentation.

But yeah, also he's working to get his paper out about it, so yeah, excuse me, that'll be one of the next things as well.

Hoping to hear about soon.

I mean they're calling it the BEYONDI Protocol right now.

But yeah, that was money safe Today's term that they all loved it.

It sounded like a Mission Impossible movie, which basically I.

Thought it was funny they did that, but it gives us some foundation to this research.

It's it's still so much in the air.

Well He's I'd also mentioned as quick as that he's getting that this had come out a month or two ago too, when Hugh and I were all down at Cosmic Summit with him and North Carolina.

He was mentioning that Stanford professor Howard Zebker now has an NDA on the technology, so he's given him the the secret sauce basically the Beyond the Protocol to see if he could reproduce it.

And Zeker is another essay are specialist but not associated with them.

I Mean, the big problem I see is the three dimensional renditions you're taking these stands and then reproducing it.

And that's where the big pushback is from the archaeological community.

I mean, when they did the Caffree Pyramid, they found all these rooms and shafts and canals and things, and it's still not accepted.

So what what are we going to do about that?

How do how do we resolve that?

Is it just it has to continually be introduced to the to the community or what what what?

What's what's the story on that?

Well, getting a second hand opinion from another ESSAAR specialist about the interpretation of the data is one thing that should increase the public's you know, understanding that it is accurate.

But I'm mostly looking at the scans themselves rather than the models because there is a difference of interpretation and that's accepted by them.

You know, Felipa at one point set he's ninety percent sure of this stuff.

But there's also you know, recently it's been they added on.

It started with two different satellite companies and now it's up to four different ones which are all which you're all showing the same results, So that also helps.

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Heather, it's interesting that we think of SORROW.

I think of it as the up and coming LIGHTAR, where we have a functioning tool, but the technician, which is the highest part of the research part of it, has to interpret the data.

And the same thing with SAR.

You have to have a technician interpret it and then reproduce it into a three dimensional format.

I mean, it feels like it's going to happen, but it's not happening in the way that we had hope.

What's your feeling as an archaeologist on SAR technology.

I think it's just another excellent step up in the evolution of the tools that we have.

But like many things, people are hesitant to embrace it because it's the fear of the unknown.

There's also that component again with careerism or individuals who they're not familiar with it.

They don't understand how it works, so they don't feel they have it in them to dive in or support it.

They're wanting to stick to the old methods.

You have usually younger people or people who are more interested in pushing new technologies or new frontiers, and that always is a point of contention between people in like an older setting versus a newer setting.

So we have people who I think are hesitant to give up their throne in the ivory tower.

They're hesitant to give up what they feel is their expertise, not just for the power dynamic, but also the skepticism about whether or not it's a valid form of discovery.

So we see this with every type of technology, and there also is, of course the question of energy and cost and the ability to actually read it and do the things themselves.

It's a smaller field, but I think that it's just the same story for most technologies that eventually we're going to see more and more people be interested in it, more people start taking it up and studying it.

And so my personal like this is a little conspiracy theory I have about this.

But my little conspiracy theory about it is that when you have these technologies that perhaps could be democratized that maybe other people would be able to have, and from the comfort of their own wherever they are, they're able to help crowdsource and look at into the data.

I think that is sometimes a problem because again, you're, you know, opening up to the profane, that very powerful source of information and power.

So I kind of think that it has a little to do with that as well.

But overall, I do think that we're going to see it progress more and more, just painfully slow.

I was so blown away by it because when they were interpreting the data, it was like, well, there's shafts that go a mile underneath the pyramids.

I'm like, what a mile?

It just became fantasy land, you know.

And because I couldn't see the details, I was like, Okay, come on, now, come on, Philippe, I mean being on and do some refinement of the technology.

What's your feeling, Hugh, what do you think the future holds for sartech?

Yeah?

I think there's I think it's very interesting, especially as Trevor just mentioned, there's four different companies are now picking up the same results.

I think that's that's what we've been waiting for.

You get in, you know, you're not getting opposing results.

It's not contradictory.

And you know, Felipo is like a proper scientist.

He's not like you know, he's not he's not in it for like, you know, he wasn't even doing stuff on Geeze.

He wasn't even that interesting that.

He was more you know, he was doing stuff on you know, collapsed bridges in Italy and things like this and other such things.

That was where he developed it.

So I think people need to give him a bit of a bit of credence actually in my opinion, and I've kind of hinted to the multiple occasions they haven't taken the bait yet to actually let's let's go and have a look at test Tebla.

Let's look at some underground cities.

Let's go into Turkey, because we've found this tunnel which we reported on you and a half ago with there's underground elements at Sayberch.

There could be underground rooms at Beckley Tepe.

I think there is.

I think there's evidence of that now and so I would like to apply that, you know, once they've done Hawara, hopefully I'll take take some time.

With the speed of laptops, nowadays.

But yeah, that would be interesting just just just throw it in the mix, because we know we know certain underground cities are there.

If we could, if they could get results that show what's already known, then they could apply it to other parts of Turkey where they're suspected places and I'd be very interested to see, you know, what would happen with that in that area.

Yeah, they could use that as a cross validation tool and be able to give more credibility to the technology itself, and then maybe just maybe people will be more likely to push for the I don't know, the excavation eventually of those those spots.

Yeah, that's also if we got this distributed network of computing power for him and he could actually multiple sites per year.

I think we've definitely been talking about a lot of sites in Turkey.

I mean, Darren Kuyu would be amazing.

But another big one is definitely Kuzco, where they're doing the Chinkana tunnels.

They're skinned.

They've been using remote sensing on the ground in the last couple of years they've found all these tunnels and now they're excavating down to them.

If Filippo could scan Cuzco deeper from Sexe Willman to the Corey Kanca.

He could potentially find some of the deeper Chinkana tunnels and if they come to escavate them in the next year or two, then that would be a further proof that they did actually see what was accurately down there.

Because I was I was there.

I was there in November and actually we actually we were lucky.

We've met the archaeologist.

We had a thing with meeting with him with the interviewed in which I'm going to publish soon, and we got to go in the entrance to the tunnel.

You know, we were really like, WHOA.

I couldn't believe they were letting people in to have a look.

And so yeah, there's something weird going on there.

But you know, this is this is the thing about the stuff in Cuzco.

You know, I want to mention this because people like David had children and all these people have been writing about the mysteries, even going back into the eighteen hundreds, talking about giant tunnel networks.

Yeah, under Crisco and throughout Peru, there's all these legends go around, you know, a Maru muru and all things like this.

So it's suddenly it's like, oh it's a reality.

There you go have some of that, and I think I think that's really really intriguing and I think that is going to that that needs to be looked at, because you know, they've obviously been blocked up deliberately when the Spanish came over.

Potentially the high treasure that was the story, so they could be unlimited treasure still to be found as well.

Yeah, our artifacts records for sure.

Yeah, you talk a little bit about that.

That was one of your topics.

I have always heard rumors of the tunnel system.

It's suxy woman, but also there are people who are reported going into the tunnel to a certain depth and being stopped before they could go any further.

But what did you discover when you were there?

Well, we were just shown one entrance.

There's there's two or three at sex Sableman itself.

They're kind of behind the main area.

There is near where the big kind of circular area is.

It's near there, but it's all like they've got like you know, little roofs over it where it's excavating.

It's all open.

It's a public thing.

They were doing other excavations there as well.

A different team.

A fact of my friend Kevin Essling was involved in that.

It's general called alexis a an archaeologist, and they were digging down the front of the walls to see how deep the walls go, the main megalithic cyclopian walls.

A sexy woman as well.

But yeah, these tunnels are just absolutely fascinating to me.

That what I saw, and I wasn't allowed to film a photograph inside it or anything, but what I got in as far as I could without disappearing forever, and I found you could see it's all collapsed, you know, pretty there's a lot of collapsing going on, or they would deliberately kind of filled in and so they got a lot of work to do.

In my opinion, you know, it's not as simple as as what people make out.

I think.

I think they having the SARS scan technology would probably help because there is a debate as to whether this is an actual tunnel going from Coracancia, Central Cusco to Sexy Ramar or if it's some other anomally they're not sure about.

So, because they haven't been able to get inside much of it at all, is that mainly the entrance I think at Sexy Woman.

Does it appear that it was built into the actual system of Sexy Woman or is it something that happened later.

Well, it's only about five feet tall, and it's got this kind of this kind of shape.

I forget the name of the shape, and it goes apparently it's the same kind of dimensions all the way through.

And so it looks like it's mainly cut out of bedrock.

There may have been a natural channel there they util but they were cutting it out of bedrock.

But I think the main type of rock that is limestone, because the main walls of Saxe wee Man are limestone.

So it's not the hardest rock.

It's not like bassel, it's not andersite or anything like that.

So it's doable, you know.

You can you can imagine even the Inca or the pre Inca culture, whoever they might have been, could have done it.

You know, it's not impossible.

I think that that that's to be looked at, you know, and I think, but there's but there are there's so many traditions, tunnels and entrances and everything else in that part of South America that you know, it's amazing that it's actually happening.

There's actually something going on there now.

But I mean, I know Graham Hancock was out there as well.

He had a look, he kind of climbed down and met the archaeologists.

Yeah, and so that it's all coming to light.

But I think it's a long term project.

There's so much, so much to clear, you know, before they can really do they can get inside it.

Hea, then what do you think of that those those tunnels.

I think the the idea that they have to be cleared is part of the problem as well.

I mean, it's a very difficult terrain to have to navigate, But I think that it's definitely something worth pursuing.

And I think that sur technology is certainly shedding a lot of light on all of these different sites.

So not surprised at all, but a little bit surprised that more people aren't aware of it, that it hasn't been in the greater news.

Hue.

Does it seem like at some point they will open those to the public or will Is it kind of like, you know, it's an anomaly that they don't want people to look at because it changes the understanding of their their scenario.

I don't think it's I don't think it's going to change much.

I think people are aware the stuff like this there they was, they were openly showing us, you know, myself, JJ, Andrew and a few of our get free of our group aactually got to go and have a look as well, so there was no secret, there was no like trying to hide it or anything like that.

Of course, luckily we have one of our team, our Peruvian team knew the archaeologists personally, which probably helped.

But I think, you know, you know, we're very respectful when we visit these places obviously, So I don't think it's going to and I think people are aware of this.

Whether it gets open to the public, that's a whole safety thing, you know, that's all that's going to come down to.

I think, you know, I think that, you know, if they can clear some of it, it'd be a cool little thing.

To do at.

At the Corey Cant I saw it at Saxo Wroman, to actually go like twenty thirty feet into it something like that.

But there is another entrance as well, which is a bit more difficult.

Apparently we didn't get to look at that one.

So there's two.

I think there's two, maybe even three there all in this one specific area.

I think the liability is a huge concern, and that is that is something that a lot of sites faced that way when they're thinking about possibly opening it up to tourism.

There's a there's a lot of viability so.

Or people vandalizing inside of it.

Absolutely, yeah, safety.

I know that.

I know for instance, like a few meant several years ago, David had Childress told me about this.

I think he and I think he wrote about this in one of his early books that in one of the churches or cathedrals written near the Cora Cancer or the Cora Cancer itself, there's actually a lot of a trapdoor thing that opens up and you can kind of take steps down into the ground area, which may well have been you know so, And whether he did it himself or whether it was reported to him, I can't remember.

But you know, there's lots of little stories if you dig into the old books, you dig into some of the Spanish kind of chronicles and things like that, and even like they were told by the Inca at the time that this earlier civilization had built this network of tunnels previously before them all over the country, and so there's a lot more to it than people realized.

But yeah, like I said, getting down there and actually taking a look as a whole other story.

That was one of the accounts I had heard.

I was talking with my friend Matt who just met me in Egypt for a week.

We were working on some stuff there.

He does the photogrammetry and using three sixty cameras and mapping this stuff out.

But he's been living in Cusco and he's been involved in the excavations this whole time.

He was actually the one who first asked the archaeologist to start digging in front of the saxe one wall, and that's when they started doing it, which is amazing.

But there was one of the documentaries I've been able to find about.

It was talking about an account from a priest that said this what you just said, that in the cory Conca, which is now a Christian like cathedral but built on the ruins of the ancient temple, there were entrances near the altar is something where you could lift something up go down in and he actually described this amazing that there was this ancient technology where they would use these very super polished metals as if they were mirrors, and they would direct sunlight coming into the Corey Kanca that would actually shine up into the tunnel and go like hundreds of feet or meters even up through the tunnel and illuminate the whole thing a series of reflecting mirrors of this polished metal.

Basically so amazing.

This is like wow.

So they could have illuminated the entire length of the tunnel potentially from the sun just from inside the Corey Kanha entrance thought that.

Was ama is amazing.

I hadn't heard anything like that.

Wow.

Yeah, one of the priests in the church had had mentioned something about an ancient legend describing that at least.

But that's so cool.

We could talk about these discoveries forever, but we're at the end of our time, Heatherlin, I want to thank you, Hugh Newman and Trevor Grassi.

You guys are amazing.

Before I leave, I want to ask each of you what do you think twenty twenty six holes for you?

What are you looking forward to?

And I'm gonna start with you.

Trevor, well, so much at Giza.

I mean I could just list a few bullet points.

We just found a my friend Stein Vandenhoven had found in twenty nineteen.

They just confirmed the eastern entrance into the Mencor Pyramid, which is I just got a video out about that is very interesting, amazing new discovery.

They're talking about drilling into the Large Void and the Great Pyramids, sticking a camera in there.

There's going to be by the summer.

Like I said, Filipo expects they should be basically finished with the Giza Plateau Saar scans and we'll see a lot more of the structures.

I interviewed him recently and he was talking about how they're gonna He's looking at three or four different levels of horizontal connections between most of these vertical structures he's already shown.

So that's very exciting.

We're pushing to start the project at Juara Lewis's really which should be very exciting too.

We're going to be back there in March on the tour, and and then there's I don't know, there's more than that, even at Giza.

There's some other things I can't think of at the moment, but there's there's a lot going on at Giza, so I'm going to try and be there.

I'm very excited actually next week I'm heading down to Mexico and Guatemala to meet up with Marco Vigado.

Oh cool.

Yeah, he's so brilliant, author of Empires of Atlantis, is amazing book, and this is extremely exciting for me.

I haven't mentioned this publicly at all yet, but I'll just give this little sneak peek that we're going to head to Piaedris Negres next week in Guatemala, which is this site that Edgar Casey had said had identical contents to the Hall of Records below the Sphinx.

Instead, there an identical hall of these records that had come from Atlantis that's in Guatemala, is deep in the jungle.

It's really hard to get to.

But that's one thing I have to mention too, because I've been waiting years to go there, and specifically with Marco, because I believe Marco is the guy who can get this job done.

He's done all these amazing projects in Mexico, discovering all these underground zapp tech, Underworld meet La and stuff like this.

I think you've talked to Marco on everything.

Yeah, a lot.

Yeah, you'll have to come back on the show.

Yeah, I just came back from Guatemala.

It's really quite amazing.

The big plus is that you can climb the pyramids in Mexico.

They're shutting him down.

You can't climb a lot and makes it difficult.

So yeah, we'll look forward to hearing more about that.

You what's what's the story.

Well, the.

Whole test type of thing is like, you know, keeping a close eye on that.

It's going to be just revelation after revelations that that has been for many years now.

But also one of the places that I'm going to be going to is Armenia, and I've been wanting to go for many years.

This is the Carahune Stone Circle complex.

That is something I've been desperate to go to for a decade or so.

So that and we believe that that's very that's an astronomical site, goes back to six thousand BC potentially, So that's something we're going to be developing, integrating into into our research.

But I think, you know, with with the whole Carahan tape thing, I think that's where it's all going to get very very interesting.

And and yeah, I'm just mentioning Marco Vigato.

I was I met, I met out with him in February out there as well.

Briefly we went to a couple of sites, so that was cool.

I mean, and I tell you what, Jim Viire is going to be really jealous.

You're going to Piedras Negress because that he's mister Atlantis the casey.

Actually yeah, maybe Jim will you know, she should get him on a flight down there or something, so I think he would, he would appreciate that.

But yeah, Viera culture, Yeah, that's the one.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and there's other things, you know, there's other things that are going to be you know developing.

One of the things I'm very like, like we mentioned privately, is I want to you know, integrate with you know, more of the archaeologists places like Carahan Tape and Gobecley Tape because I feel there's this is what Megalithomania was set up for as well, is to kind of bridge bridge to bridge the gap which is kind of getting wider in some cases between academia and alternative researchers.

Discoveries are being made by everybody, so let's let's let's appreciate that and have an intention to kind of in Egypt and other places as well to you know, let's all come together a little bit and like, you know, listen to each other and bridge that divide.

Yeah.

You before I let you go, give us your contact information and how people can learn more about your work.

Sure, yes, it's just all a Megalithomania dot co dot UK.

Yeah, I mean they can they can see they've got the conference coming up in May, we've got a bunch of tours, we've got projects on the go, but mainly just for Megalithomania or Hugh Newman, like they can find out everything.

Yeah, okay, great, Hey Trevor, give us your contact material as well.

I want to make sure people know how to get a hold of you.

Well, I'm just Trevor GRASSEI on YouTube is where I mostly put my research into the videos there.

But I've got Opusmagnum dot org as well as my site that I've just kind of started getting some stuff up on there because I got it out of private server, so I don't have too much yet, but I'm starting to use that now.

I found Trevor Grassy as artists.

Is that not you?

It has graphics of photographs and stuff.

Oh yeah, I don't know.

I had a page that was like, I don't know if those were.

Photos are great photos of Egypt?

Yeah?

Yeah.

At one point I just put up a bunch of my photos from Egypt, Mexico, Periu and stuff to see if people would might make like fifty cents if people want to use them to try and get some supplemental income.

Didn't really work for that, but yeah, lot of yeah, it was ky cool.

Heather's what's up for you in twenty twice six.

Well, it's the year of Onnanaki Revelation.

So that's my new book that's out in a few more weeks, and so I'll be going around talking about that, talking about the Annaki and presenting some of my work into the evidence that supports that they were interested in psychedelics, and then some of yeah, I know, it's a little wild, but hard evidence about the cultivation of the poppy for medicinal and other uses and the different rights that are involved as well.

So looking into the discovery that was made too, that was the second largest gold discovery ever and how it just sort of vanished and disappeared and was looted of course, but out of that were the famous wristwatches of the gods.

So I was able to locate those there since gone, I'm trying to actually locate the physical ones, but I have a picture of what those actually were, the gold cuffs, and how it relates to the Hull Gill right, which was the particular right, the shamanistic right that they were using.

So a lot of interesting, strange things.

I think people will find it to be a little maybe a little out there compared to some of my earlier work on the Onanaki, but it also coincides more with this idea of the younger Dryis and human migration and what it is to recivilize and so what it took and reimagining of what the Anonachy are and so that, and of course the podcast.

That's my big thing and my big focus this year is really getting a lot of interesting people to come on and share their work and share their opinions and try to bridge those gaps, just like Hughes trying to do with megal Lithomania.

I hope to do that in this virtual space, and.

The Midnight Academy can be found what day of the.

Week, Thursdays at six pm.

There you go.

Excellent, all right, guys, fantastic, Really appreciate you coming on the program and much success to each of you.

And thanks.

I appreciate it.

Thank you, yeah, thanks here, Thanks thanks Cliff, thanks going.

Thanks.

One of the topics that we were discussing was the Sarce Technology Service or synthetic Aperture Radar, and I'm was very, very doubtful that it was the real McCoy until I've spoken with Philippe Bioni and we had him on the program with Armando May a couple of months ago.

And I think the big problem is that the rendering is so vague and it's like, what are you looking at?

It's just a bunch of colors matched together.

And if the three dimensional rendering which comes out of these scans is verifiable, then we have something.

Then.

One of the big problems that this technology faces is supportive evidence.

In other words, if we're showing shafts that go underneath the Pyramids and Giza down a mile, then there's rooms and stairways and all this kind of stuff.

How do we validate that, How do we show that it's actually there?

Well, the Antiquities Department has to grant permission to actually dig or drill a hole or use another technology to actually see if this so called evidence is there, and that's where the big problem is.

And I mean, they won't let you do the damn thing.

I go to Egypt almost every year, and there are decades behind the time.

I mean, they're still looking at wooden coffins and thinking that's a big deal in this great technology is right in front of him.

I mean, the last time I was in Egypt and I say this, and I mentioned this, we were at the Serapium and I asked the field archaeologist, what are you showing in your light our scans and he said quite blankly that we don't use light AR.

And I was like, I thought it was joking, as said, what do you mean you don't use light AR.

Well, we don't use it.

We just survey.

And the survey technique is you look at something that seemed like a hill or an object or it's close to a known location of a ruin or something, and you plot and you dig.

You know, it's just it's very very challenging.

So for them to adapt SAR, it's not gonna happen.

And this is the real standoffish kind of situation have or that we face when we deal with Egypt.

It's just slow, slow, slow, and it's very, very frustrating, especially for an American like me that wants to see results.

We must have results now.

Anyhow, I hope you enjoyed that year in review, and each of those individuals will be on the show later this year so you can hear more specifics on what their topics were when they're on the program.

Hey, we have our first tour this year.

It's our Grand Egyptian Tour, number seven, number seven.

It's April twenty eight through May tenth.

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Right.

That's it for this program, and I think my guests today doctor Heather Lynn, you Newman, and Trevor Grassei.

You guys are great.

I appreciate it as always the team of Gueltour, Mark Foster and Feya Pravore.

You guys rock.

All right, take care of you well, and remember, in the next few days we'll have the tribute to Irish von Duncan.

Mister Ancient Aliens himself will have seven years of review and insight and just what he was up to and his research.

All right, take care of you well and we'll talk to you real soon.

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