Episode Transcript
Welcome back and joining us now is Eric Peters of Eric petersautos dot com.
Always great to have Eric on.
He has focused on liberty and mobility because you can't have one without the other.
It's kind of all what Jefferson said about life and liberty.
He said, the hand of force can destroy life or liberty, but cannot separate them.
Of course, he said disjoin them.
But that's a little bit stilted for our language, but it definitely is true, and you cannot disjoin liberty and mobility either.
So I always enjoy Eric's take on things.
Eric, I was sad to see that we were just talking about this over the break.
You wrote a piece three days ago.
You said, our Charlie, what happened in your family?
Speaker 2Well, yeah, it's a tough thing to talk about.
I hope all the people to do this well enough.
But we had a had about a two and a half year old mixed breed German shepherd lab and you know, he's been my companion for that whole time and just a very big presence.
Speaker 3In our life.
Speaker 2Anyway, he got hit by I guess a car truck, I'm not sure exactly which, and it was really jarring because as anybody who's been through having a pet die knows, it's one thing when your pet is elderly and old or sick, and you you know, you understand that it's going to happen, and you have time to prepare for it.
But you know, with a with a young pet like that, to just be gone instantly, just like that, just what happened really difficult, you know, boy, For the last several days has happened on Friday, I've been having deja vu, you know, certain times of the day like oh, I better put water in paces bowl, or oh, it's time for us to go for our run.
I went for a run on Monday, and you know, one of his things that he would do, he would carry around him.
He was a strong dog, a big log in his mouth and he would keep it in his mouth for a mile or more on our on you know, It's just one of those things.
And as I'm running by myself, which was strange, I saw one of the logs that he dropped off on the trail and it just really I'm sorry, kind of really I'm being overly emotional about it.
Speaker 3So I apologize.
Speaker 4Oh no, I understand, absolutely understand.
Speaker 1It's like you said, it's the suddenness of this, and I think that's one of the things that really magnified what happened to Charlie Kirk.
But I think, you know, when we look at it and how they have taken his legacy and they have flipped it completely opposite of what he was known for, what he ought to be remembered for.
They're doing everything they can to make a saint a celebrity whatever.
There in Oklahoma.
They want to put a Charlie Kirk statue on every university campus.
I think the right way to honor him is to support free speech, but it seems like the people who agreed with him and who followed him want to do just the opposite of that.
They want to attack free speech.
I think this gives them an opportunity to do what they know the left was doing to them before.
Speaker 4What do you think.
Speaker 2Particular Trump, did you happen to ask the interview.
It was a couple of days after Kirk's assassination, and I wish I could remember who the journalist was.
It was a woman, and you know she was asking Trump about the calls to suppress what they called hate speech.
Now, it's interesting that Trump all people the right is not even exactly what they excoriated the left for doing during the twenty twenty four campaign season, and it was one of the reasons why people voted for Trump, because they were tired of having their differing opinions framed as hate.
Speaker 3I've got a question, Oh, you're hateful.
Speaker 2You know, we can't discuss that because clearly you're a Cretan and you're you know, you're motivated by malicious motives rather than Hey, I just have a question.
Anyway, This female reporter asked Trump about that, and Trump had the egregious, vulgar gall to say something like, uh, well, Charlie Cook, does he may not think that way anymore or I can't remember that.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's exactly what he said.
We played that clip.
Yeah, she said, Charlie Kirch said there's no such thing as hate speech.
I probly wouldn't say that now.
Speaker 4Yeah, that's yeah, basically despicable.
Speaker 2Because again, everything that whether you agree with what Kirk had to say or not, I think the one thing that has to be universally acknowledged is that he was willing to debate.
Speaker 3He was willing to discuss practically any topic.
Speaker 2Including even Israel, and you know the influence of the Israeli government over the American government, and I think that's ultimately what got him into trouble.
You know, Trump demands lockstep adherents and even worship of himself and his policies, and he does it in a manner that's just so abrasive and insulting to the people who support him.
This latest business of doing the parking break one eighty on Ukraine, you know, again, it's another example.
You know, if people had been aware that he was going to do that in twenty twenty four, I doubt many people.
Speaker 3Would have voted for him.
Speaker 2One of the reasons, small reasons people voted for him was we are sick of all these wars.
We're sick of being forced to finance it through our taxes and thereby be complicit in it.
You know, the mass in Gaza, we want no part of this stuff.
It's got to stop.
That's one of the reasons why people voted for him.
And now this brazen guy just says, well, we're going to back Ukraine.
And not only that, he's saying that Ukraine has a right to not only sees back every territory that it's lost, but potentially even more than that.
Speaker 4Yeah, it takes time back from Russia exactly.
Speaker 2It's madness.
How do they think that this is going to be received by Putin?
What do you think Putin's response to this is going to be.
I wouldn't be surprised if he amps things up because he believes that he's got a narrow window of opportunity now to finish this situation before boots that go on the ground, potentially American boots.
Speaker 4That's right.
Speaker 1Yeah, he is taunting Putin saying he doesn't have much a military He could have finished this off in a couple of weeks, you know, like we finished off Afghanistan, right in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2I was having a conversation with a friend of mine who stopped by yesterday about this, and we got to talking about Putin versus Trump and the difference between a serious person and a clown.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 2Now, whatever you may think of Putin, you don't have to say that you like him.
You know, that's a childish argument.
It's not about whether you think he's a nice man or a bad man.
He's a serious man.
He's a serious person with serious credentials.
Who is not an idiot and who understands history.
And look at Trump, what do we have.
You know, we literally have a clown going up against a serious person, a dangerous clown.
Speaker 1I believe he was installed for that very reason.
You know, he even had his first Commerce secretary, William Let's see Webber Ross, who said that, you know, it was the Rothschild bank that he was working for, and he said, you know, when Trump was going bankrupt, he showed up and he saw this big crowd around him.
He said, I contacted the Rothschild people and I said, hey, this is somebody I think we could use.
And I think that's exactly why they're doing.
They're using him as a clown.
They're using him to divide people, They're using him to create chaos.
Speaker 4I think that's his.
Speaker 2Role and also a distraction, and maybe the worst kind of distraction imaginable, you know, as everything falls apart internally, and you know, potentially, let's say the Epstein thing percolates up again, or we find new details about what may have been involved in Kirk's murder that could have incredibly damaging repercussions.
What would be a perfect thing to get people's mind off of that, well, perhaps a big war in Eastern Europe do just that.
That's right, and that's what I have, this creepy feeling maybe in the works, and.
Speaker 4I think it is absolutely capable of it.
Speaker 1You know, you look at what he's doing with the trying to make an excuse that he can blow up ships off of Venezuela without even stopping them or verifying that they're running drugs.
And as I pointed out at the same time that he's saying, this is an appropriate response, and JD.
Vance is saying it's appropriate.
Marco Rubio and Pete Heigseth are all saying, oh, this is what our military is for.
Speaker 4No, it's not.
Speaker 1We had our military was stopping ships, inspecting them.
If they find drugs, they would take the drugs, they would arrest the people.
They didn't line them up on the side of the boat and machine gun them.
And so this is an extra judicial killing.
I told the audience earlier on the program, I said, Dutarte did this in the Philippines.
He said, you know, you think it's a drug dealer, shoot to kill.
And he's now in the International Criminal Court and they're looking at him for those extra judicial killings.
It's a crime.
It's a war crime that he's doing, so he's perfectly capable.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's a psychopathic elaboration of that old if you see something, say something.
Speaker 3Now, if you see something, kill something.
Speaker 2Yeah, these are acts of war and they're also the acts of a coward bully in that Venezuela.
It's just another example of big old Uncle Sam throwing his weight around and you know, extraditionally extra judicially killing foreign nationals outside of the United States with impunity because you know, we can do it.
What's Venezuela going to do about it?
Speaker 4That's right?
Speaker 2You know, I think at some point Trump is going to whack the wrong guy, and Putin could be just the guy who's the wrong guy to whack.
Speaker 4That's right, That's right.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's very concerning, you know, even escalated saying yeah, we should shoot down Russian jets if they get any more close to the borders and things like that as well.
It's a dangerous time that we live.
And of course, very much like the Chinese curse, isn't it may you live in interesting times.
There's never a shortage of thanks to report on it.
It's like and now for something completely different from Trump than he said yesterday.
Speaker 4You know, it's like mightey Python, I'm glad.
Speaker 3You brought up China.
It just I happened.
Speaker 2I needed a break the other day, and so I was just watching some random YouTube videos, and I was watching some videos of depicting scenes in China around, for example, their train stations and their airports, their infrastructure.
Speaker 3Which is immaculate and modern.
Speaker 2I looked at their bullet trains, and I compared it with what's going on in this country.
You know, China is actually concerned with China and trying to build up its own internal society and improve itself, where it seems that the US is de industrializing and rapidly descending from second to third world status, you know, to the extent we can actually see the change from.
Speaker 3Day to day.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's and it's by design, and it's by the same people that are running Trump, even though he pushes back against the climate and that I call it still it's the deliberate de industrialization of the West.
And there's two sides of that.
They want to de industrialize the West while they give China the advantage in terms of manufacturing and the huge advantage that they have is in terms of energy costs.
But as Gerald Clenti has said many times on the show, he said, the business of China is business.
The business of America is war, and that's not serving us well.
Speaker 3And constructiveness.
Speaker 2Yeah, I saw something also related to China that talked.
It was a person talking about how in China the oligarchs, the really rich people kind of do what American.
Speaker 3Oligarchs did in the late part of the.
Speaker 2Nineteenth and early twentieth century when they did things like the Carnegie Library.
You know, they funded these these vast things that were good for Americans, you know, leaving aside the question of corporate oligarchs.
At least they put me back into the country, whereas now the oligarch class in this country just flaunts its gratuitous, egregious theft wealth, you know, with one mcmanson after the next, and yachts and lavish lifestyles, thumbing their nose and rubbing our faces in it.
Speaker 4Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1And to make it clear, you know, when you look at somebody like Henry Ford, who had his issues, he wanted to make sure that his workers could afford to buy the product that he has.
Who's going to buy these products when they replace all of us with robots.
That's what their goal is.
They will replace everybody with robots.
And I said when Trump did his tax cut in twenty seventeen, because it was all targeted towards corporations and he was going to incentivize them to bring to onshore manufacturing, I said, that's not going to happen until they've got the robots to replace the workers.
I said, that's why they've got the open border immigration.
And once they have robots to that point, they'll get tough on immigration, and they will pay these oligarchs a lot of money to bring factories back, but it's not going to bring back any jobs.
They're just going to be incentivized to build the factories and they'll brag about the fact that they've got manufacturing in the United States, but they won't be using it to raise the standard of living of anybody.
And I think that's really what is what is happening and what is going to happen.
Speaker 2I think so too, And I'd like to focus in on something that you mentioned, which has to do with that word about owning things.
Speaker 3You know, they're not concerned about that.
Speaker 2It's not it's not that they're you know, well, how are people going to be able to afford these fifty thousand dollars vehicles that they're pushing out right now?
They know that the end goal is for you to not own.
Speaker 4The vehicle exactly.
Speaker 2The end goal is for you to rent the ride, to rent everything, you know, sort of like the way that you pay for a streaming service so that you can watch TV.
That's what they want, Serial debt.
They want to completely disconnect us, you know, the typical average American from owning anything in order to control everything.
Speaker 4It isn't like they didn't tell us.
Speaker 1They constantly it's like, you will own nothing, right, Yes, you'll be happy.
And I thought about you this way.
Why I wanted to get you back on because, yeah, I haven't talked to Eric for a while.
I saw that Portia was having problems, and Portia, of course owned by VW and the two of them are having to pull back because they can't sell their evs.
And I remember, I said, and I talked to the audience, I said, yeah, Eric's been saying this for the longest time.
They should have hired him as CEO of Portie.
They wouldn't have had this issue.
Because you knew, and of course common sense would tell us that they have a huge advantage.
These companies that have been making internal combustion engines for a long time, they had a huge advantage to China or to other potential competitors that had to be destroyed by saying no, now we can't use internal combustion engines.
We're going to have to do the the skates of the evs, and China's got the advantage with the battery technology.
They've also got now a manufacturing advantage in terms of cheap available energy.
Energy is so expensive in the UK they're shutting down all their manufacturing and in Germany it's very expensive.
They can't be cost with it.
But now they're saying, hey, we're going to have to pull back a little bit.
We've mal invested billions of dollars in the EV industry.
Nobody wants these things, nobody's buying it, So now we're going to have to pull back and try to have a cottage industry of maybe being allowed to sell some internal combustion engines.
But it's going to break the back if it's even allowed of these, if they even allow them to sell a few boutique things to the rich.
It's still going to break their back.
Speaker 2It will, and this is a general problem Stillantis, which is the parent company of the Dodge, Ramjeep and Chrysler brands, announced about a week ago that they were not going to produce the electric version of the Ram fifteen hundred pickup that they had planned to bring out in twenty twenty six because they understand that it would be a disaster, that nobody's going to buy it.
And so rather than just build these things and then shipping them to dealers where they're just going to sit and then having to give them away a fire sale prices.
Speaker 3Which is what Forms had to do with the fighting.
Speaker 2They figured it this one thing to do is to cut bait.
I've practically destroyed the Dodge brand already by getting rid of the engine in the charger and getting rid of the Challenger altogether and replacing it with this electric charger, which has been an epic flop.
Speaker 3I mean, it is.
Speaker 2Even worse than the Adds, a disaster back in the fifties.
It hasn't been remarked on, but I mean it's that bad.
They can't sell these things.
I have yet to see one in the wild.
I have yet to see one on the road.
They haven't even sent me one to review yet.
Because it's not just that they're short range and all the other problems that electric vehicles have.
It's not well made.
It's a problematic, problem prone vehicle that suffers endless glitches such as bricking, to the point where they have to send out a technician to try to figure out why it won't move.
Now, the other thing is that you brought up I find this endlessly fascinating with regard to portion these other manufacturers that are no longer run by car people, because any car guy would tell you that a Porsche there are intangibles when it comes to a car like that.
It's not just about how quickly it goes to zero to sixty us right the fatal error and thinking, well, we'll just basically produce a Tesla that looks like a Porsche essentially, you know, and somehow we'll sell that feeling.
To understand that one of the big reasons that people buy Porsches is because they love that six cylinder boxer engine and they love the sound that it makes and the emotional visceral feeling that you get that is lost entirely.
Electric vehicles are fundamentally homogenous.
Say what you will about you know, will the reply it and this and that?
But they're fundamentally when you drive one, you've driven them all.
Speaker 4Yeah, you know, and.
Speaker 1Don't they does Porsche and some of these other sports car companies when they make their evs, do they take the Tesla approach in terms of instrumentation, because that's one of the things that is also a part of the field.
You know, how does the controls feel?
Does it feel solid or tendsy?
I hate the idea that I've got to use a touchscreen while I'm driving.
How is that safe?
You know, you're you're supposed to use hands off of your phone or we'll give you a ticket.
But hey, it's a wonderful thing if we take all the controls.
Even on Tesla, you can't even adjust the direction of the air vents without using the touchpad that is attached to the dashboard.
Speaker 2Yep, And they're all doing it now right now in the driveway.
I have a brand new twenty twenty six Kia Sportage, which is a nothing special little crossover that stickers for about twenty eight thousand dollars and it's got a full width, single sheet LCD screen for everything, you know, the main instrument cluster, and then off to its right is the thing that you have to tap and swipe through in order to operate functions such as, you know, changing the station.
Speaker 3That you're listening to.
And you're right, And it's just an.
Speaker 2Illustration of how disingenuous the government is because on the one hand, they say to people, ah, you can't use your cell phone while you're driving, because it's dangerous to be looking at your phone and swiping and tapping a screen while you're trying to drive.
You can't keep your eyes on the road.
But it's no problem if you build the thing into the car.
Speaker 3Yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 1We need to have some controls that I have to take my seat belt off in order to use.
Speaker 4Right.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 2So one of the you know, to get back to circle back to what we were talking about, the great disaster.
In my opinion, it's another one is that this homogeneity of appearance in the interior of cars that has been that has been bequeathed to us by this obsession with reproducing the smartphone in your car, the look of a smartphone.
So now you've lost that individuality too, instead of having this kind of neat array of gauge.
Speaker 3Is a really good example of this.
Speaker 2A couple of weeks ago, I had the latest Mini Cooper and it used to be that one of the cool things about the Mini Cooper, which is owned by the Germans, it's owned by BMW, but nonetheless was that they replicated the feel, the look and the function of the sixties minis.
You know, if you've ever been in one of the models, they had the cool little chrome toggle switches, you know, and it had a vibe to it, that feel, and it was like no other car.
Well, they did what everybody else is doing, and they got rid of essentially all of the physical tactile controls, the switches and knobs, and in lieu of that, they put one gigantic pie.
Speaker 3Plate touchscreen, you know, in the middle, in the center.
Speaker 2Of the and it looks cheap, it looks homogeneous, and it's also in a way, in my opinion, it's anti human.
Speaker 3It's antiseptic cold.
Speaker 1You know, they shut down the last UK factory for the Mini BMW did am I correct?
Speaker 4I think they just should.
Speaker 3I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 1I saw something because again, you can't do manufacturing in the US because hair Starmer.
The Nazi doesn't want you to have any energy, so they shut it down, I don't think, you know.
And it was an article out of the UK UH and they were saying, you know, this is something that was fundamentally British, as you point about, very any idiosyncratic.
Speaker 4And now it's not going to be made anymore in.
Speaker 1Britain because of the cost of energy that's there.
Speaker 2Yeah, if nothing survives any longer except the brand, you know, that's what you get label.
Speaker 3Well, you know, inside the same when.
Speaker 1You talk about the design of these cars and how we've lost so much of this around this area.
You know, we're not too far away from Pigeon Forge and last week they just had big classic cars show, and that's when it really hits home.
You know, when you see one of these cars, which it never really valued.
I mean it might have just been like a family sedan or something, you know, fifty years ago, but you look at it, it's like, wow, that's really quirky, that's kind of interesting looking.
Look at those colors, you know, and all the rest of this stuff.
Look at the colors, look at the chrome.
It really is entertaining to see cars that were just ordinary cars or ordinary trucks half a century ago, to see them and to see how different they were and how.
Speaker 4Unique they all were.
Speaker 1And so it really kind of drives it home here in the Pigeon Forgery.
And they have these car shows that happened frequently.
The big one was last weekend they had that.
But you've got some articles at Eric Peters Auto's dot com about some of the difficulties of keeping these older cars running.
Speaker 4Talk about ethanol blues.
What's that about.
Speaker 2Yeah, you know, I have to, as the saying goes in the hood, cop to something which is barrassing for me, because you know, I shouldn't all of all people, this should not have happened to me.
But I was lazy one day, and this is several months back, probably about eight months ago, when I was out driving my old muscle car.
I have a seventy six trans Am and rather than go all the way into town where they have a station that sells unadulterated pure gasoline, which is normally what I use to fill the car up with because it sits sometimes Fore I get preoccupied with work and other things.
Sometimes the car unfortunately, will sit for several months before I have time to drive it.
Anyway, I filled it up with E ten, which is only ninety percent gas and ten percent ethanol, and I left it to sit, and it sat for about three months.
Speaker 3God helped me.
You know, I deserve to be beaten for that.
Speaker 2Anyway, I went, I went to start it, and boy, I barely got it to run and it was going, you know, smoke pouring out of it.
A long story short, I ended up having to take the carburetor off the engine and completely disassemble it and clean out the ethanol gunk inside the carburetor because the fuel had gone bad over the time that I kept it in storage.
Basically, And you know, this is a problem with these older vehicles because you know, my car was made in nineteen seventy six, and in nineteen seventy six, when you bought gas, you actually got gas for your money on hundred percent gasoline.
Most people don't understand that most pomp gas is ten percent ethanol alcohol.
And if you own a vehicle that was made before that came into being, that vehicle was not designed for alcohol.
Alcohol is a different fuel than gasoline.
It has different properties.
It attracts water, among other things.
It's corrosive.
Speaker 1Does it degrade faster than pure gasoline, then I guess it does.
That's what you're saying.
Any pure gasoline will degrade as well, right, but much longer period of time.
Speaker 2Yeah, anybody who has outdoor power equipment knows that the real problem is if you put ethanol in a gas jugglet's saying, you put it in your shed and leave it.
You know, it'll tend to accumulate water much more rapidly than regular gasoline.
And you can also look at the color that change in the color, you know, as it starts to go from almost translucent to sort of a yellow and then a darker yellow color.
Speaker 3And that's a clue not to use it.
Speaker 4By the way, Well that's interesting.
Speaker 1You also talk about oil and additives and the oil that are different now for the older cars.
Speaker 3Well, yeah, it's not just the additives.
Speaker 2Again, to get circling back to the transam, after I cleaned out the gunk from the carburetor and got it running well again, I recognized, oh boy, it's time to change the oil.
So I went down to the autoparts store and I looked at the rack of oil, and the rack of oil is you know, it's the whole with the store.
They have all kinds of different oil, but they didn't have any ten forty anymore, you know, and my car when it was made was designed to have ten forty oil.
So that's what specified and that's what I used.
There's a reason why there's a specification, you know, and generally speaking, it's sound policy to follow what the specification is.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah, but you know, if you've been to it, if you've been to a car parts store lately and looked at the oil rack, you'll see all these exotic formulations, you know, zero W fifty this and that because they thinned out the oil because it held helps with compliance.
You know, this is again it offers the manufacturers this incremental friction reduction which translates into slightly higher gas models, not anything you would notice as a vehicle owner, but when you factor it out over say half a million vehicles that you build, then it helps corporate average fuel economy with the compliance with that federal requirement, and it also helps with emissions.
And you know, this is the obsession.
Now that the manufacturers have it's compliance.
Their primary customer now is the government, not you.
You know, you're sort of an instidental person.
I'm just wanting to buy what the government says you're allowed to have.
Speaker 1That's right, that's right, because the government put them out of business if they don't please the government, and so that is their primary customer.
In so many cases, the only customer that they care about is the government.
That's really what's going on with social media and with YouTube, I think, isn't it?
Speaker 4It is?
Speaker 2And so long story short, I ended up having to coot online to find a good, high quality ten forty for my old muscle car.
Now previously I'd also had to go online to get there's an additive.
It generally it goes by the acronym ZDDP, and it's essentially a zinc manganese additive.
And it used to be president present in all the store bought motor oils, but they began to take it out and now there's a much less of that additive in store BOUGHD motor oil.
If you have a new or late model vehicle, it doesn't matter, the engine was designed for that.
But if you have an older vehicle, particularly an older American vehicle with what's called a flat TAPT camshaft.
So essentially, an American car made before the early eighties with a V eight engine.
Speaker 3Typically it's important that you use that additive.
Speaker 2And if you're going to be somebody to go, if you're going to go out and buy one of those classic cars from that era, it's something to be aware of because if you don't use that additive, you risk valve train failure.
Those the camshaft and lifters in those engines were designed to have that anti friction additive in it, and if you use regular oil, you're very likely to have a problem that you don't want to have.
Speaker 1What about the aftermarket, Let's say that you have some problems because you didn't have the right oil and fuel and things like that.
How difficult is it to get parts for these things?
I'm sure it varies depending on how rare your car is, but just something's kind of you know, in the middle, or something maybe like a you know, a fifties Chevy or something like that.
Is it really diffinitely?
Do they have much of an aftermarket for parts with that?
Speaker 3Yeah, particularly with mechanical things.
Speaker 2One of the great pluses of owning, say a General Motors product or Forward product from that era is that they shared mechanical things.
Engines, you know, an engine like a small block Chevy was used in practically every model vehicle that Chevrolet made, you know, from the fifties through the sixties, seventies, and eighties, and so there is a robust and abundant aftermarket as well as used market for those kinds of parts.
You'll have sometimes difficulty finding trim pieces, you know.
Speaker 3For an odd ball make.
Speaker 2You know, say it was a one year vehicle where they only had that that that grill for that one year.
I have that issue because my seventy six is a unique front end for that for that year.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 2Sometimes, you know, these cosmetic parts will be more difficult to find, but generally, if you pick a popular vehicle that was made in large numbers from that era, you're not going to have any difficulty finding the necessary parts that you have to have in order to keep the vehicle serviceable and running.
Speaker 1That's interesting, Yeah, because I guess I certainly do see a lot of classic cars right here.
Yeah, I guess if you had an Edsul and you got your horse collar or a grill.
Speaker 3You can keep that going.
Speaker 2One of the greats Volkswagen Beetle, you know to this day you can easily find any part that you need to keep a beetle running.
So you know, that's a great choice if you just want a very basic, simple, completely analog.
Speaker 3Non non digital, non data mining, non.
Speaker 2Connected car that anybody could service, if they're willing to turn a screw driver or a wrench and have basic hand tools, that's a great choice.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1There's a huge aftermarket for the Mases, especially the first generation of Maza that's out there.
They're even doing full restorations, and or at least were for a short period of time, if they are still doing it now.
It's a couple of years ago.
They're doing full factory spec restorations in Japan.
They would do it in Japan, and the factory itself was doing it, Mazda was doing it.
I don't know if they're still doing that or not.
Now you got an article and I'm reaching back now.
At the beginning of August, Pontiacs were cool.
I thought they were as well.
I was just so amazed that when they decided they're going to get rid of an entire make that they kept Buick and got rid of Pontiac I thought that was really strange because Buick was always perceived as kind of an older person's car, or it was a family car, something like that, where as Pontiacs had kind of a sporty panache to them.
Speaker 3Right, yep, well there's a reason for that.
Speaker 2For whatever reason, Buicks are immensely popular in China, and that's where they're believe it or not, GM sells a ton of Buicks in China, where it's considered kind of a status vehicle to have, and all they sell here are made in China.
Speaker 4Is that right?
Yeah, we used to use Buick.
Speaker 1We used that as a new finism for throwing up in the bathroom selling Buick's.
Speaker 3Now.
Speaker 2What's really sad though, with regard to Pontiac and Pontiac's just one example of many, is that you had a once distinctive brand, and in fact, Pontiac actually was literally a car company at one time.
It wasn't a marketing company.
It actually had an engineering staff and they engineered their engines which were different than Chevy engines.
So when you bought a Pontiac, you weren't just buying a rebadge Chevy.
There may have been commonality of the underlying platform, but it was a fundamentally different car.
I'll again refer to my own car.
A seventy six Pontiac Transam is a very different car than a seventy six Camaro.
Even though they share a common underthing, their drive frames are different, and that makes it worth buying the Pontiac.
Speaker 3You know.
It's not that one's better or worse.
It's simply that it is different.
Speaker 2And GM actually allowed Pontiac for a great deal of time to be sort of a raucous you know, go get them a brand you know that that had had had performance and style and attitude, kind of like what Dodge was before Stilantis ruined everything.
Yeah, you know, they just had this great reputation for you know, not just crude muscle cars, but cool muscle cars.
Speaker 3It had some panastu them, you.
Speaker 2Know, like Catalinas and Grand Prixs and of course GTOs and everything, which were a little bit more refined than say something like a Chevelle ass which is a great car, but it's not the same thing as.
Speaker 4A Gto, right right, yeah, yeah, And they just.
Speaker 3Hollowed all of this out.
Speaker 2And this was, by the way, I think the first wave of casualties from compliance the reason that Pontiac ended up dying was because General Motors was under enormous pressure to try to figure out how to get these different brands Pontiac, Buick, Oldsmobile, all their different divisions that had different engines.
Speaker 3Each one of those engines had to be certified independently by the federal government as being in compliance with the stuff that costs a lot of money.
So General Motors made the decision, well, what we're going to do is corporatize.
We're going to just put Chevrolet built engines in pretty much everything that we sell.
They did this beginning in the eighties, and that.
Speaker 2Way they only had to certify the Chevrolet engine, which they could put in a Pontiac and a Buick and.
Speaker 3An Oldsmobile, which is what they did.
Speaker 2But by doing that, they just gutted any reason for having a Pontiac or an Oldsmobile or even a Buick.
Speaker 3It's all you're getting is a Reskin Chevy with the identical drive train.
Speaker 4Over and over again.
Speaker 1I tell people, you know, the real problem with industry and manufacturing and innovation in the United States is the government.
They are the biggest obstacle.
They are far more destructive of jobs and manufacturing than any company abroad or any country abroad.
All this stuff about tariffs is a misdirection away from the true source of the problem, which is government regulation.
And even when they're talking about the housing crisis, some people are talking about how expensive houses have become because of government regulation, but the government's not talking about doing anything of that.
They're talking about playing some financialization games in terms of interest rates or subsidies or this or that, but they're not going to do anything about the overregulation and all the green mandates that are there.
Trump will go the un You'll say, you're destroying your country with all this green stuff and everything, but he won't take those regulations off of cars or homes, so he can't have nice things anymore.
Speaker 3That's correct.
Speaker 2We have become as a culture so habituated to the government being involved in these things, and really, I think that's that's the bone of the matter.
Why is the government involved in car design?
Speaker 4Yeah?
Speaker 3You know, a good example of this is, you know.
Speaker 2The whole I wrote an article about Ralph Nader a couple of weeks ago and the core of beer and his allegations about the core of air being unsafe.
This is a matter for the course, if the car is unsafe and effective in some way, that can be handled in tortue claims.
That's the way these things ought to be handled, instead of this broad brush, one size fits all of the federal government decreem You know, you will have this particular safety standard.
It doesn't matter what you know what side effects that safety standard has, even if it ends up being less safe.
Good example of that being in the mid seventies they imposed a roof crush standard on the industry.
You know, the vehicle had to be able to support the weight of the vehicle if it got turned upside down.
So as a result of that, you got these gigantic A, B and C pillars.
Those are the things that support the roof.
The A pillars at the basic shield be in the middle and C in the back instead of being you know, these these thin and graceful things that you could easily look around and you had this expansive view of the outside world around you.
Speaker 3Now you're essentially in a tank.
You know, I driving new cars all the time feels like you're in a tank.
Speaker 2You have essentially no visibility, often to the right and to the left because of this enormous B pillar that's there to support the weight of the vehicle if you roll it over.
The problem is now when you pull out from a side street, you're likely to get t boned because that thing is created that blind spot.
You didn't see the car, but it was coming at you from the side.
Speaker 1That's right, Yeah, I agree.
You know, how did we wind up still being able to keep convertibles with that?
I know, I've got all my convertibles.
I got some really huge A pillars on them, but very cleverly, like you know, with regard to some of them.
Speaker 3You know, with Maza, the audi as you know, they built a roll.
Speaker 2Bar into the backs of the seats basically, that was one way that they did it.
Uh, And some of the manufacturers took that a step farther with pop up roll bars.
You know, Mercedes did that with some of their highest convertibles, and they also managed to reinforce the structure of the windshield in a way that made it.
Speaker 3Supportive of the vehicle if it were to roll over.
Speaker 2But you know, it's it's just the point is the government's involvement in this stuff is just so insufferably obnoxious.
Speaker 3We are and to put a finer point on it.
Speaker 2You know, we talk about the government as if it's sort of this entity out there, and I like to I like to point out to be what you're really talking about is a relative handful of micromanaging bureaucrats who are the weavils within these regulatory bodies.
You know, go to the DOT or NITSA.
How many people work there?
A few thousand.
So you've got a few thousand people in these regulatory bodies who are dictating to three hundred and thirty million people.
Speaker 3You know, the design of the cars that they're allowed to have.
Speaker 1Yeah, exactly right, I just you know, and we have spineless politicians who let the bureaucrats rule over us and never do anything to push back against them.
Speaker 3And that's my design.
Speaker 2You know, they've off loaded this, they'll say, Congress in particular, they'll say, well, I can't do anything about it, because you know, the bureaucracy is responsible for that's right.
But you're the ones that offloaded their responsibility under the Constitution to legislate.
You know, there's legislation and there's regulation, and regulation has the force and effect of law, yet it's not voted for, which means there's all accountability.
You know, you can't out, you can't vote out of office an epa apparatuip.
Speaker 1You know, they claim that they're not responsible for it, even though, as you point out, they delegate this to them.
Yes, then you know something gets really bad and there's a huge outroar uproar about that, then they can come in and say, Okay, we're going to save you from these bad guy as a regulator.
So it's a very calculated political ploy, isn't it.
Speaker 4And I think we got do We have a couple of comments of questions for him.
Speaker 5Good to talk to you, Ra servis here got citizen Draccaka says Eric, would he'd like you to speak on the fact they were trying to pass legislation so you'll be able to ensure a car that's over twenty five years old, which is just utterly ridiculous because of course we know that twenty five years ago all calls cars were death traps.
Speaker 6People were dying left and right.
Speaker 5It's only within the past few years that the cars have become safe at all and people can drive him without living in constant fear.
Speaker 1Yeah, and on that same line, Eric, California, just you know, they wanted to it's missions.
I think that they had there and it was like a thirty five year moving average, and they were trying to adjust that a little bit, and they shut it down the huge blow.
It's Jay Leno's law.
Maybe you heard about that.
Speaker 3Surely, surely punitive and vindictive.
Yeah, Leno, I think learned a valuable lesson.
Speaker 4You know.
Speaker 2I think he, in his innocence, might have believed that national considerations and reasonable considerations might cause the California legislature and Regulatory apparat to agree that, yeah, you know, vehicles that are thirty five years old are constitute a very small minority of the vehicles that are in use as daily transportation, and so yeah, we'll exempt them, as most states do, from having to go in from emissions testing.
This is purely punitive because they want to push these cars off the road, and it's particularly egregious in California because it's not even a matter of whether you pass the tailpipe sniffer test.
You know, when you bring your car into the inspection station and they put the probe in the tailplay and in most states, if it passes that you pass, and you get your sticker in California, doesn't matter whether you pass the tailpipe sniffer test if any of the factory original emissions equipment has been tampered with, altered or removed.
Now what that means you're talking about the thirty five year old car, or how about a fifty year old car, and maybe the original smog pump or EGR system had to be replaced because it's a thirty five year old vehicle.
Thirty five year old?
Well what if there is no aftermarket replacement?
And more finally, in California, every aftermarket replacement has to have a California Air Resources Board number, a certification that it's been approved by CAR.
So if it doesn't have that, even if everything works, and even if the emissions are with inspect, they will still fail the vehicle on the basis of failing the visual and not having the CARB approved replacement part.
So this is purely, purely punitive and vindictive.
And I do see this sort of thing expanding.
You know, they're going to start targeting cars and they're going to say we can't permit vehicles that don't have the latest advanced driver assistance technology to be on the road, you know, because of the threat that they present and the people are going to die.
That's the sort of thing that I foresee that they're going to start doing in the next few years.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, yeah.
And it's kind of interesting too, because when I was doing modifications to Mimiada about seven years ago, the companies I was getting the aftermarket parts on which were taking those parts that you just mentioned and pitching them completely.
But they were based in California, and I thought, you know, this is kind of interesting.
They can't sell their own product.
Even at that time, many of their things were not CARB compliant, and they couldn't sell them and to people who lived in California, only to people who lived outside of California.
Speaker 4But it's getting much much worse, you know.
Speaker 2You know onmmon thread that runs through all of this is that there's no requirement that tangible harm.
Speaker 3Be produced, in other words, a victim.
Speaker 2A really fine example of this is the crucification of Volkswagen, and I revisited that issue recently in a column.
It's been about ten years now since Volkswagen got raped over the coals for cheating on federal emission certification tests.
Speaker 3Yes, and you know.
Speaker 2At the time and even to this day, I continue to ask, well, who was hurt by any of this?
All the The only thing that happened was that the government was affronted.
You know, Volkswagen, like every other vehicle manufacturer, programmed its vehicles to pass the test.
That's the whole points They made it so they would pass that.
And not only this is an important point, the federal emission certification test.
Nobody ever disputed these vehicles when they were bought and put into service in states where people had to go to get emissions testing, you know, at the state level, and.
Speaker 3Get the tailpipe probe put in.
They all passed.
Speaker 2The only kerfluffle happened after this independent lab subjected the cars to an entirely different test that found that, under certain operating conditions, oh my gosh, the vehicle will emit slightly higher fractionally higher amounts of oxides of nitrogen.
Speaker 3Which is a regulated emission for EPA.
And the amount was minuscule.
Speaker 2It was literally a fraction of a fraction, in other words, something that was meaningless in terms of whether it was hurting anybody didn't matter.
Speaker 1It was so draconian.
You and I talked about this many times.
It was so draconian.
That it was clear that it wasn't about what they said it was about.
It was really about, as we said, getting rid of diesel.
I mean, they had criminal charges against executives.
It was something like four billion dollars if I remember correctly.
It was outrageous what they were doing, and we talked about that, how you didn't see anything at all like that with the Takata air bags that were blowing up spontaneously and killing people, or with the Pinto you know, and the deliberate exclusion of some devices that would keep that explosion from happening.
So it was something that we've never seen before, even when human lives were at stake, and there was nobody that was harmed by any of this stuff.
Speaker 2Well, the reason why they did it, though, it wasn't just that it was diesel.
It was that Volkswagen uniquely was selling a lineup of very affordable diesels as recently as twenty fifteen.
Speaker 3You know, it's ten years ago.
Speaker 2Not even you could have bought a brand new Volkswagen Jetto with a TDI engine for about twenty two thousand dollars.
Now that whole car had a seven hundred mile driving range and would get fifty plus miles per gallon on the highway and could probably be counted on to go for three hundred thousand miles or more.
Now, it's a curious coincidence, isn't it, that around the same time the Volkswagen started getting raped over the coals over this emissions cheating thing.
That's when the big push for evs began, right around that time, around twenty thirteen.
And I think the reason that they went after Volkswagen was because they could not abide the comparison.
You know, on the one hand, twenty two thousand dollars Jetta TDI seven hundred mile range, refill it in three minutes, keep it for twenty years, drive it for three hundred thousand miles.
On the other hand, Tesla Model three, fifty thousand dollars car that goes maybe two hundred and seventy miles and is going to need a new fifteen thousand dollars battery after eight years.
It just would have been a harder sell.
So they had to go after Volkswagen.
I think, you know, if Volkswagen had continued making engines like that, other manufacturers would have started to do the same.
In fact, Chevy did chevro Letty.
You could get a Malibu diesel for a little while there, and other manufacturers would have done it because it's appealing.
Speaker 3I mean, I like the idea of a.
Speaker 2You know, brand new twenty two thousand dollars car that gets fifty something miles per gallan seven hundred miles.
You know, diesel is great.
You know, it's a wonderful option for people who want a durable, long legged, long lived vehicle.
So naturally they had to take that away from us.
Speaker 1Yeah, checked all the boxes in terms of competition with the electric vehicles, as you point out, is durability, reliability, affordability, range, It was all there.
Speaker 4So I had to go.
It really had to go.
Speaker 1They've got an agenda, and they don't want you to have something that you can afford.
They don't want you to have a long range because they want to keep you on a short rope where they're smart city and they're probably geo fencing to make sure that you can't buy anything outside of your approved city and that type of thing.
Speaker 4It's just amazing.
Speaker 2Really, it's a really important thing for people to understand, and it's a difficult thing to understand because the undercurrent of malevolence that's there is difficult for most people to come to grips with, but it's almost axiomatic that you cannot have an authoritarian system in which people are still free to move about as they like on their own initiative, in their own vehicle, unsupervised, unmonitored, and uncontrolled.
In order for them to impose a truly authoritarian system on Americans, they have got to get control over transportation and particularly personal transportation.
And when you filter everything that's going on through that, everything becomes comprehensible.
Speaker 4That's right.
Speaker 1I tell people all the time.
The TSA is a transportation security agency, right, it's not the airport security agency.
Speaker 4And they want to do that.
Speaker 1They want to eliminate the private vehicles so that everything becomes like the airport.
If you like that, certainly you'll be able to keep that authoritarian government.
If you like your authoritarian government, you can keep it, or they'll keep it for you.
Speaker 5With something like geo fencing and the tesla's, they can just simply section you off, say oh no, your car just simply will not go there.
Speaker 6You turn it that way.
No, we're going to autopilot you back into your safe zone.
You're not allowed over here.
You're not allowed to go this fhe.
Speaker 1And you won't have enough range really to get out of there anyway.
You know, it's fifteen minute city.
Speaker 2That's about how creepy it is.
And it's incredible, al Blase.
So many Americans are, they think even if they're aware of it, they will say, oh, that would never happen, and they would never do that to us.
Speaker 1Yeah, you know, Eric, about ten years ago, I went to an auto show in Texas.
I start, yeah, a long Star round up.
It's a real big classic show, and I think it's got to be an America made car, and it's got to be They don't include the it's got to be older than the Mustangs.
Older than sixty four.
Sixty five is a cutoff, right, So they didn't want to take it at that point.
Speaker 4But there's a lot of modification to.
Speaker 1Them, and a lot of rat rods that are out there, you know, really grungy cars that people kept going and modified.
I went around and I talked to all these people and they were all different ages.
You know, people had cars they were seventeen or eighteen years old that they had fixed up up to people who retirees and I asked them all, do you think the government is going to make private cars go away and gasoline cars go away?
Speaker 4Oh?
Speaker 1Yeah, they all said, And to a man, they pretty much all said, including like seventeen eight year olds, It'll never happen in my lifetime.
It's like, man, the disconnect that was there at that time was just that was the most you know, the cars are interesting, but the most interesting thing was how these people had lied to themselves about the government's intentions and its abilities to rob them of their mobility.
It truly is amazing.
Speaker 2The intentions were always there.
I think the technology has made it much more feasible to fast track things.
They wouldn't have been able to do what they have wanted to do for fifty years, you know, back in the eighties and nineties, or even the early two thousands, But now, particularly within the last ten years, they have now got the ability to utterly and completely control vehicles to a degree that most people would not believe until they have to deal with it.
Speaker 4You know.
Speaker 3I give various examples.
Speaker 2One is the illusion that you have in a modern car that you're controlling how fast you drive.
Speaker 4You're not.
Speaker 3When you push down on the accelerator pedal.
Speaker 2All you're doing is feeding data to the computer, and you're not connected to the engine, to a cable system and a throttle any longer.
You're sending data to a computer, and the computer then is telling the engine, okay, increase the RPMs or to a certain amount to give you the illusion that you're the one who's controlling the car.
I had a Ford expedition a couple of weeks ago, and I was, this is a big vehicle, big SUV, and I'm trying to back the thing up in my driveway.
Speaker 3Now I've lived where I lived for twenty years.
I know my driveway.
There's a big.
Speaker 2Bush at the one side of my driveway, and I know, because again I've been doing it for twenty years, exactly how far I can back up before I hit that bush.
But the Ford slams on the brakes a couple of feet before I get anywhere near the bush.
Because again safety, but you know, read dig down and.
Speaker 3To think about what that means.
Speaker 2The vehicle can decide that it's going to stop, you know, entering your will.
It's going to exercise control, and bit by bit they're doing this.
I had an article look the other day about this speed limit assistance technology.
I love how they call it assistance technology, Like you didn't know you were driving faster than the speed limit, and now the car is well, oh, thank you so much car for telling me that I'm driving faster than the speed limit.
And you know, first they try to shame you.
There's a little icon that pops up in the dashboard that shows us a speed limit sign and it goes red.
You know you're driving faster than the speed limit.
And sometimes there's a chime that companies it.
And this is weirdly standard now on all the vehicles.
Why is that, you know, it's not optional for people who need assistance.
If I need assistance, oh I love that, I'll buy some assistance.
No, they're making it standard because what they're doing is in classic Fabian socialist style, slowly, bit by bit, you know, getting people used to this stuff, and the next step will be not just assisting you to know that you're driving faster than the speed limit, it will be preventing you from driving any faster than the speed limit by using the drive by wire throttle, by using the electrically controlled braking system to prevent you from doing it.
And what they're doing with that is making driving such a it's no longer fun.
You feel like you're guarented.
You feel like you're a kindergartener again.
And that's the really they want you to just say, you know, the heck with it?
Speaker 4Why am I?
Speaker 2Why am I signing up for a seven hundred dollars a month loan for the next six years.
I don't even control the car.
The car nags me and pesters me all the time, it tells me what to do.
Speaker 3The heck with it.
Speaker 2I'm just going to get my app on my phone and I'll tap it and I'll get my pride.
Speaker 4That's right.
Yeah.
Speaker 1The comedian British comedian Ruin Atkinson who plays mister Bean.
He was an engineer before he became a comedian, and he's got a lot he loves cars, and he's got a lot of very expensive hypercards.
And he said, well, you don't really drive these so much as you manage them, because there's so much drive by wire stuff in it.
And I remember when Michael Hastings was killed, and I think he was killed.
I don't think it was an accident, and he was He had rented a late model Mercedes when that happened, and he was he thought that people were after him with the government because of what he was reporting on, and he had a lot of death threats from the government, and so he going out to his car.
A landlady said he you go out to the car and you look underneath it and all this other kind of stuff to see if there was some kind of a bomb on it.
But they you know, when you have the when the computer is able to control your acceleration, you're braking, you're steering, and all these other things, it's very, very easy to assassinate somebody that way.
And they have illustrated over and over again at the black Hat conference in Vegas how easy it is to hack one of these cars as well, because they're also online, so everything is under computer control and it's also online, so any bad actor, especially the government, can jump into this thing and do whatever they wish.
They can shut you down, or if they want to, they can try to make it look like it was an accident.
This is the type of thing we've been seeing for a long time.
Yeah, you had your article when you're talking about the insurance, when will people decide to stop paying?
And you talk about the fact that you've got an antique car, you drive it three hundred miles a year and stay within about a ten miles of your home in rural Virginia, And why should you have to pay insurance for that?
That should be your decision for that.
But of course it is this corporate government fascism that we see over and over again where they force you to buy their product, isn't.
Speaker 3It It is?
Speaker 2And now they are using insurance to price people out of vehicle ownership.
Yeah, everybody you probably had this happen to you as well, has had their premium increase by on average twenty five to thirty percent and in some cases fifty percent or more for absolutely no reason having to do with anything they did in terms of having an accident, filing a claim anything, or.
Speaker 3Even a speeding ticket.
You get the notice in the mail and all of a sudden, your premium.
Speaker 2Is double what it was the year prior.
Why because they can, you know, because they don't have the option to say no.
Imagine what a cup of coffee would cost if the government said you have to go to Starbucks.
Speaker 3You caucify a cup of.
Speaker 2Starbucks coffee at least once a week.
You know, we'd be paying ten dollars for a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
Speaker 4That's exactly where we are, isn't it.
Speaker 2That's essentially where we are with this.
And I think, you know, we are getting to a point.
You know, I have my ear to the ground about things like this.
And it's also my own personal opinion that everybody's feeling pinched because of the cost of everything.
Speaker 1Everything's going up and they don't include it, and the evaluation of inflation either be.
Speaker 2The this and so you know, when it comes down to a choice between you know, obeying the law and handing a check over to these insurance mobsters for a large sum of money that could be used to pay your electric bill, or you know, for your family, what's the choice.
Well, you know, probably a lot of people are going to say, you know what, I'm going to buy food for my family instead of sending this check to all State or Geicoe.
Speaker 4Yeah, and so what.
Speaker 2You know, I mean, the illegal aliens can with impunity because they you know, they can't they can't get blood out of a stone, can they.
Speaker 3You know, they don't have any access disease.
So and I'm not I'm really I'm not.
Speaker 2I'm not disparaging people who are in that category because I understand people are trying to improve their lives and all of that.
Just trying to make the point that there are no consequences for those people.
You know, if if they want to go out and drive without insurance and hit you and wreck you, they'll walk away from it and the state will do nothing about it.
But you and I we don't hit anybody, you know, we haven't caused any problems for anybody.
But we didn't hand over the money to the mobsters.
They'll cancel your driver's license, they'll cancel your registration, and if they catch you driving, they'll know impound your vehicle and potentially arrest you for it.
Speaker 1That's absolutely right.
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
That's the way it works.
It's a two tier standard already in many different areas that we've got in this country.
Well, well at a time.
It's always great having you on, Eric.
Anything you want to tell us about what's happening with your website.
Speaker 3Oh, well, nothing more than what's on there.
You know.
Speaker 2I posted an article this morning.
It's more of a thought piece about how we're all kind of in this bad marriage situation.
Speaker 3In this country.
Speaker 1You know, yeah, Trump is the guy who has bad marriages.
Speaker 4He specializes in that, doesn't he Well.
Speaker 2Isn't it interesting that for the most part, most people will say, okay, you know, if you have a situation where a couple just can't.
Speaker 3Work it out, they're at odds.
Speaker 2You know, nobody would say, well, they have to stay married and be miserable for the rest of their lives.
People accept that sometimes marriages don't work and you know, there's a divorce.
It's not a happy thing, but it's better than forcing people who can't live together to live together.
Well, politically, somehow that seems to be off the table.
Speaker 4Why is that?
Speaker 2You know, we're at a point in this country with the left right and just people who want to be left alone chiefly versus those who won't leave people alone.
Why can't we just figure out a way to peacefully separate ourselves and that way end this fractiousness, you know, and just instead of going to blows with each other, and that includes blows at the ballot box and trying to constantly figure out a way to elect our guy to impose our will on the other side, how about we just figure out a way to go our own way and live and let live.
Speaker 3The problem is that probably half the country doesn't want to live and let live.
Speaker 1Yeah, I've talked about that.
You know, if you look at the Scandinavian countries, they have split apart and join together in various combinations many times, and you know, they would peacefully join together, peacefully break apart, and there.
Speaker 4Was never a war over it.
We don't have a government like that.
Speaker 1You know, when Marjorie Tail green Star talking about having a national divorce, I said, yeah, the problem is is that we're married to an abusive spouse who once he finds out that we want to divorce him, he's going to come kill us.
Speaker 3You know.
Speaker 2Ye that I recurrently use because I think it's very pithy and it says it all.
And it's a picture of Abraham Lincoln and the caption reads, if you try to leave me, I'll kill you.
Speaker 4That's right, you know, the ultimate abusive of the household.
Speaker 1That's exactly the case, especially in a country that was formed over the right of secession and self government.
That was the basis of America's existence from the very beginning.
How could you deny that to somebody?
I'm always all about secession, and I would say, if at first you don't seceed, try try again.
Speaker 4That maybe my model for ever.
Speaker 3It's a safety valve and everybody should be on board with that.
Speaker 1And of course there is one other thing we can do.
And people at tenth Amendment have talked center I have talked about this a lot.
There is another avenue of this, and that is nullification.
That is kind of the middle point.
You know, we say, well, we're just going tognore what you have to say.
So there is nullification and non commandeering and short of and that effectively can allow you to seceed issue by issue if you've got people at the state level who have the backbone to do that type of thing, and that's the big if we don't because they're all on the take.
I don't think that we're going to get this country back until we have a catastrophic economic system that's going to destroy the ability.
Speaker 4Of our government with US dollars or reserve.
Speaker 1Currency to just print money out of thin air.
Until that disappears, we're going to have the same type of situation.
Speaker 3We do have one power under our control, and it is to simply not participate, to opt out on our own.
Speaker 2You know, with regard to new cars, if you don't want to be data mined and controlled, well, don't buy a new car.
Speaker 3You eat the older car that you have.
Speaker 2Get an older car, fix it up, you know, during the pandemic, don't wear a mask, don't pull, don't comply.
If enough of us is indis, you don't have to join an organization, just abide.
It's in your own moral compass.
And you know, if this is wrong, I don't like this, I'm not going along with it.
Speaker 4That's it.
Speaker 2I'm just taking my stand.
I'm not going to be a cattle and go along moving with the herd just because that's what the herd does.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 1I I'd been thrown out of so many different places and restaurants in Texas.
I had to move to Tennessee because I promised these people I would never be back because of the way that they insisted that I wear a mask, And so I left.
Speaker 4Then I said, and I won't be.
Speaker 1Back, And I kept my word by moving to State.
That's the only way I could do it.
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Speaker 1Yes, the common man.
They created common Core that dumbed down our children.
They created common past, track and control us their commons project to make sure the commoners own nothing and the communist future.
Speaker 4They see.
Speaker 1The common man is simple, unsophisticated, ordinary.
But each of us has worth and dignity created in the image of God.
That is what we have in common.
That is what they want to take away.
Their most powerful weapons are isolation, deception, intimidation.
They desire to know everything about us, While they hide everything from us, it's time to turn that around and expose what they want to hide.
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