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Welcome in, everybody.

We've got the whole cast crew ready for you to rock today with Patrick Nocy, Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah stand back, Chris Beam in the back.

I'm Kyle Yeomans.

Glad you're with us today.

We preview the Cowboys def Fins versus Justin Herbert.

And the Chargers offense.

You know what else we do today?

What is that to throw your leg up Thursday?

Go ahead and throw it up there.

Let's go now, see y'all you're throwing it up there.

You got his leg up the Gamas.

Did he come into little briefcase thing because wow, Dakota.

Dakota, Dakota Rain Prescott.

Those are icy though, those are sweet, those are pretty cool.

They were a gift probably right.

If they actually were from the wife.

Did that that's out the marriage?

Yeah, shout out funny.

Funny though is we both woke up a little bit early, so like those words.

So on drop day we were both we both had our laptops and our phones.

We got in line to teamwork right, and it made us wait in line for like thirty minutes before we could see if either.

Of us won and I lost and she won, wow.

And she gave her take it up to you.

No, she got it.

She got in line for miceythe oh wow, they were all We were self sacrificed.

That's real love.

That is a self sack.

That is so Merry Christmas to me and shout south to the back of the day.

We have this spot called Chubby and Tubby's.

Don't worry, Kyle, They're not a business anymore, all right, Chubby and Tubbies.

It was a little hardware.

It was a hub.

I know he was gonna say spot.

It was a hood, a.

Hood hardware store.

Okay, right on the in the hood Chubby and Tubby's Bro.

It was right on the edge.

But the transition between the central district in the south end and then you just didn't cross over and lets you knew people right, you had to watch it back.

So Chubby and Tubbies lived right on that line.

And so you would go into Chubbies and Tubbies.

Okay, Chubby and Tubbies.

And in the back of the store they had a shelf, right, and they had all these boxes, and on the shelf they would have all the new shoes wrapped in glad rap.

Oh yeah, all the new shoes wrapping.

I would go shoe shopping at Chubby and Tubby's Bro.

Funny enough that wasp shoes.

That was my nickname in high school.

Which one.

Beat full.

What would it take for for you to make the title of this episode Chubby.

And and how honestly, not very much.

You don't think you'd be a phone call.

You think you'd be like, you.

Know, I feel like we're talking about the offensive defense.

We're just talking about the big guys front.

We're trying somebody's who's gonna win the line of strimming.

Wow, wow, Hey, have you ever bought shoes in glad rap in glad rep No can say that is that just a Is that a hood thing?

No?

I don't think it is, because even.

Bro's in Seattle.

I was gonna say that.

I mean there's some like.

What that mean?

You had blue people hair every dayn it's nice now place it's nice.

Now, it's nice called.

You're old.

No've ether been back in Savannah or downtown Atlanta water shout out the watchs downtown Atlanta.

No.

I mean, no matter what shoe store we went to in the hood, that's not a thing not in the I.

Need people in the chat to respond, man, I need to know the only one number shopping.

Shoes and they were glad wrapped.

Maybe that's why they ran out of business.

No, Bro, they was they didn't sell enough tools.

It was a tool store.

Toolstore.

Yeah, part and I missed that part.

I need to I need to put you put.

That cray though.

Glad rap rap Bro.

I love a hardware story that becomes a sneaker story.

Everybody understands a glad rap concept.

Right.

You got Grandma's house and the couch.

We have plastic on and you move and it it sounds every time you get it.

Six to you right, all that stuff on a hot day.

Hot day, don't take a nap.

You have to feel off hel every day in this over so I.

Get it all right.

News and notes, Pat, yes, sir, not updates yesterday?

We do so.

First and foremost, let's talk about the guys who returned to practice.

Three players returned to practice on yesterday.

That would be one Peyton Turner, Phil MafA.

Who did I say I wanted you wanted to see Phil?

So?

Yes?

Phil show?

Yeah?

So Phil MafA return to the practice field yesterday.

Uh.

I love Peyton.

Turner as well as Josh Butler UH and four UH.

And none of those guys have taken the practice field since the UH since the regular season began.

Obviously, Josh Butler has been recovering from his devastating knee injury suffered last November.

So this and he started this UH training camp on pump start of the season on pup, so this is huge for him to try to get his way back to the field before the regular season concludes.

Kyle has a question.

I have a question.

All these guys who haven't played all season long and we're kind of stashed for a better term on ir coming back at the end of the year.

Is just just like preparation for.

The final two games of to say, let's see some other guys.

Let's just play some new talent and then see what we have going into the off season.

They would win.

Kyle, what do you mean say, Brian Schottenheimer's kind of Brian Schottenheim actions.

And there are words and there are actions that are speaking louder than those words.

Currently, Brian Schottenheimer says he wants to win.

So that's why you will not see Joe Milton out there on the field.

He says, even when if are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, you're still going to see Dak Press got out the start.

And that's a conversation that we need to have and which could happen prior to Sunday.

If the Eagles win on Saturday, which they play Saturday against the Commanders, Yeah, then you are mathematically.

And for to happen.

Please put that topic in the rundown because I would love to weigh in on that.

The decision to continue playing your friends quarterback when you have nothing to gain in there.

Yeah, so, Josh Butler but shouts out, shouts out to these to these guys, especially Josh Butler.

He's coming back from just an arduous road to get back from that that knee surgery.

So rather the.

Cowboys are eliminated or not eliminated.

From a Josh Butler perview, it's massive for him to be able to get back on the field.

So shouts out to him.

Let's get that man.

Yeah, absolutely, Phil MafA.

Phil MafA suffered a shoulder injury ahead of the regular season.

He had a very good training camp, he had a very good preseason showing.

But between the shoulder injury and the numbers being the numbers the game they wanted to play with the fifty three man roster.

He has been relegated to IR to this point, so he has a chance of getting on the field.

I would love to see that young man get some burn in the regular season, see what that kind of sets up for as far as how the running backs room needs to look in twenty twenty six.

And then Peyton Turner.

A lot of people forgot Peyton Turner was on the roster.

I can understand why it's been radio silence on his front ever since.

He suffered the rib injury in the preseason, and he's not played, so he'll get out there in practice.

Twenty one day clock has begun.

Cowboys technically don't have twenty one days to let this flesh out.

So we'll see which of those three, if any of those three, can get on the field, maybe as early as the Chargers, but maybe against the Giants and the Commanders.

We'll see how that goes.

Flipping over to the injury report, Josh Butler gives me the segue to Trayvon Diggs, who remains on IR as we have this conversation.

Unlike Josh Butler, Trayvon.

Diggs that decision has been made by Saturday all intents and purposes, or he will not see the field again in twenty twenty five.

And then the question becomes if he sees the field again for the Dallas Cowboys going forward, if that were.

To occur, it me, yeah, no, she shook it.

He shook it.

We had several players that did not participate yesterday.

Can can I ask about Dickens real quickly?

There was a report yesterday Jane Slater of the NFL Network.

She does a great job, but she had a conversation, a lengthy conversation in the locker room.

I think in the middle of the locker room, so I trust what she says in this regard.

She said, a lot of the and I'm paraphrasing here of course, but a lot of the rumors as to how Trayvon Diggs was injured, a lot of the rumors that have been circling through the Internet and circling through so trumbaut the head injury.

That thing.

Yeah, that that was not as egregious as what.

It sounds like, is ultimately what she was saying.

And she said it's getting back to Trayvon and that it isn't necessarily the truth.

And so I mean, put whatever stock into it you want.

But the report is now out there that that is a rumor as opposed to fact, and so I think there's that to play a factor.

She also went in to talk about the conversations that have been happening between Trayvon, Matty Eberflus, and Brian Schottenheimer, and they've made it very clear they want him to play better scheme football in cover team.

They don't want him freelancing to make a play, which as we all know, he did very much in the early parts of his career.

Spreading butter part of his eleven interception season in twenty twenty one was freelancing to go make a play.

But when you don't make a play and you leave yourself vulnerable, that's when the big plays happen, and that's when your teammates are out of position and then it doesn't work out in your favor.

This coaching staff, specifically, who of course was not here when he had the eleven interception season, wants to see him play within the scheme and that's the conversations that they've been having.

All of this courtesy of Jane Slater, who had the conversation with Trayvon.

She shouts out to Jane, like I said, I sinked it, watched her have the one on one with him, So good stuff there, absolutely great reporting.

I will kind of have with Patrick that talks to players understanding all right, I.

Mean her talking to a player relaxed, se c and tea taken.

Tell Andy.

So uh, It's like I said, and I'll say it again, and I'll keep saying it until you know it doesn't need to be said anymore.

Trayvon Diggs's biggest issue in getting on the field is the relationship with Matt Eberflus period.

Now you can color that however you choose to color it.

You could put it on a personal front, you could put it on a business front.

Schematically right, whatever you want, however you want to color it.

Whatever crayon in that sixty four pack of crayole, you want to choose facts sixty four sixty.

Four balling, Yeah, the nice here.

Seriously, according to Isaiah, they didn't have that in Seattle.

We did not.

Color.

They got the handle.

Its jealous, they crow handle.

Says the serpenter inside the box.

The box.

That's why all their sports teams are the same color.

Lid, go back, put a little thing out.

It was flat flushing your back back.

Not to sixty four bro.

Like in Seattle, we had to like we had to crash rocks to go bro.

You saw somebody with that sixty four, you felt some type of way.

He's why it's in art city.

You had to make things to make the art.

What you're doing that.

We had to burn packets of gushers in order to create.

The I had to drink a lot of coffee because we had to have the energy to get it all together.

Doing that forest of green bro exactly, I was colored pants.

So I was just hating on everything.

Oh man, so lose over there, bro.

Trayvon Diggs had even flu stand out on the same page.

Until they get on the same page.

Trayvon Diggs is not going to see the field for the Dallas Cowboys on the injury report.

Some concern here, not so much CD Lamb.

He misspracticed with an illness, so hopefully he feels better and he and he can, you know, make this game.

But illnesses.

I mean, if it's the bug that's kind of been going around, my goodness.

Yeah, it's it's been a little bit of a butt kicker, So we'll see how that goes.

Hunch of lip Key Quinn Williams both still in concussion protocol.

As we mentioned yesterday, the biggest standout here is Deron Bland is back on the injury report.

And it's not just that he's back on the injury report.

It's the foot, the foot, the fun not the foot, the foot, the foot, Is it the or the well at this point is the so durn Bland is having an issue with the foot.

I need to get more information on this.

I don't know if this is soreness or whatever that might be.

But whenever, nowadays, whenever you see Doron Bland on an injury report and it's related to his foot, your heart drops, your heart drops.

There has to be concerned until further information comes out.

So we'll see the coordinators will speak today.

We'll ask the fan favorite coordinator, Matt Eberflus about Deron Bland's foot and see if we can get some more information on that.

Outside of that, like I said, you had the three guys return to practice with their twenty one day practice windows.

Good to see Jake Ferguson as a full participant in practice, and nothing else really to report on the Cowboy's injury front there love it.

Keep an eye on and keep an eye on those names that start popping up now on the list because as they start to pop up, now that's when as the final two games so play out.

So Josh Butler's window gets activated and then Derm Bland appears on the report.

Your own conclusions saying.

I blame Isaiah for the drawn Bland news.

Why is that he was bringing up Rex Ryan the ind the day and all of a sudden everyone's foots are going missing.

I'm just saying we're doing that.

That was off the air.

You just brought it on the air.

Thanks Josh, Josh, appreciate the total.

It's not a safe place.

We won't say anything.

You won't say anything at home, all right, chill out, hold the line.

I'm putting my foot down.

All right.

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Chargers offense is that some of the same struggles Dallas has had as of late protecting their franchise quarterback.

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No, not today.

And this may shock you, what is that, Kyle?

But there's a team that is also struggling to protect their quarterback.

Really say worry?

Their name are the their name the name.

The name is the Los Angeles Chargers.

Throughout the season, no quarterback has been pressured, has been hit, and has been sacked more than Justin Herbert.

So as I opened the floor to.

You, guys, talk about this Cowboys defense against the Chargers offense, does that give you any hope or is that another opportunity as we've seen throughout the year for a get right game for a bad offensive front.

I'm going with the ladder, yeomans, don't.

This is a team that's ranked twentieth in SACS, which is, guys, not very good.

It's not about the Cowboys.

The Dallas Cowboys ranked twentieth and sex that's not very good.

You want to see the pressure, of course, but one thing that you know about the Dallas Cowboys defense that they're not necessarily finishing these plays.

I think Justin Herbert's going to have a lot of time, and on top of that, he already has four hundred yards on the ground a six yard average.

And you know, looking at the running backs that they have, they have very physical guys.

If you look at Kamani Vidal who has.

Four point two yards per average per carry average.

But I'm also looking at a Marion Hampton, who I was really interested in the draft.

He's a mons and he missed an early part of the season due to injury, but he's back and he's at a four point six yards per carry average at the moment, which, guys, I believe that's pretty good for a guy that spells in, but maybe that's just me.

And then, not to mention, you also have a receiving corps that is able to hurt you in a big way.

Keenan Allen.

Of course, you guys know he's a savvy vett, but I wouldn't sleep on any route that they give him.

And he's not necessarily an explosive receiver.

He's not an explosive downfield.

He's not known for his yackability, but he will absolutely feast on you between ten and nineteen yards.

That's where he lives.

He loves it there, man.

And if you don't have Deron Bland, possibly, I mean, yeah, that's who I would want a Keenan Allen all game and you might not get that.

But also you have Quinton Johnson, who is if he is catching.

The ball, yep, he's a prototype.

He does everything for.

Them and be better at that this year yeah, absolutely, which is what he's doing right now.

Lad McConkie, who was argue serviceable this year.

He's explosive, but he's certainly not like the focal point of their offense right now.

But it's a really solid three wide receiver team that they have currently.

Yeah.

I think this is a get right game for them on all accounts.

I don't think.

I don't think it's I just I don't know.

Man.

On one front, you want to look at the numbers in that direction and you say, oh, well, their offensive line is.

Trash, which is true.

Well they don't have Rashawn Slater.

They've got a couple guys.

As it stands, it's been a revolving as the current of you consider them trash at the moment in all regards to just no, okay, just that as is right now, just checking the offensive line.

Do you know what I'm saying, you're just pa No, not in both Okay, that's in past, Bro.

You can't really apply to term trash.

I can and that that one like that one that one lane when they change lanes.

Yeah, didn't get batter ahha, they get better.

They're not trashing.

And he pointed it out they're not trash when it comes to the rushing attack.

They are trash when it comes to pass pro.

But to Josh's point, it doesn't matter to me.

It doesn't matter that they're trash and pass pro because the Cowboys can't get to the quarterback.

They can't get to the quarterback.

They can't get to the quarterback, which means, wait, hey, can they get to the quarterback?

No, which means that in all likelihood, they might make this offensive line for the Chargers look serviceable in pass pro when it's really not serviceable in the past pro.

So we'll see how that goes.

Because who's gonna jump out and be that guy that tries to get you know, three sacks this game?

Because they will be there.

The availability to sack Justin Herbert four times, I'll say four four times will be there, but can the Cowboys do it.

The ability to pressure him twenty times on forty drop backs if they would have dropped back forty two will be there.

But who will be able to do it?

That's the question.

I'm not worried about the interior.

If Quinn Williams plays, we don't know if he'll clear the protocol.

But if Quinn Williams doesn't play all right, then you look at what they do in the rushing attack.

Like we said, they are good in the rushing attack, and the marioon Hampton is back and he's averaging almost five yards of carry if Quinn Williams is not in the middle to help you out.

So now we're having questions about can the pass rush beat their poor pass protection and can a Quinn Williams less defensive interior stop a very good rushing attack.

It doesn't.

Yeah, that math's not mathing for the Cowboys.

I believe, and actually I take this.

I know that this is the largest offense that the Dallas Cowboys are going to face and have faced all year long.

We're talking about physically and physically.

Imposing, and that is how Harball builds his team.

This is the all get off the bus, bro, this is space jam monstars getting off of the Like Seriously, these guys are ginormous across their front, regardless of the fact that Slater's going, regardless of the fact that they're missing something Joe al z B Yeah, exactly, They're missing two of their their their main ingredients over there.

They have guys that just come off the bus.

Now they're not as good, but they're just as big, and that's how they facilitate their offense.

They just literally are just we're bigger than you.

You got to either run through us or you gotta run around us.

That's how they operate, and they rely on the run heavily.

This is a twenty one team.

This is a twelve team.

It's a twenty two team.

These guys use.

They have a six four three hundred pounds full back.

In addition to that six four three hundred pounds full back, they also like to bring in an additional offensive lineman.

This offensive lineman's name is Trevor Penny.

He is their motion man.

By the way, let me look at the size of this gentleman.

Out of six seven.

Three and twenty five pounds, this is the man who does their well.

How tall was he.

Six seven, three hundred and twenty five pounds.

This is the man who does majority of their motions in their in their formation.

One of the things out of the draft that he was great at at Northern Iowa was just finishing blocks and when he got a head of steam and he was rolling.

Yeah, look it was Murtens.

For whoever was in.

Front of him, and that was why he was a high prospect, even out of a school like Northern Iowa that wasn't a major college football program.

Yep.

So you're either going to see Trevor pinning the six seven what I just say, his weight was whatever, and then you gotta or you're gonna see Scott Scott Mattlocke when that's the fullback.

I was talking about the six four three hundred pounds.

So the smallest person that you're gonna see in a return motion is six four to three hundred pounds.

Man in his downhill is downhill and they're pointing these guys.

They're wham blocking.

For those that don't know what a whamblock, that's lee eaving somebody free.

And then one of these three hundred or three hundred and forty pounders is going to come and try to earhole your defender.

That's what it sounds like.

Yes, wham just like one of the dog on cartoons Wam Bam exactly, or comic books.

Batman TV show exactly.

These guys just want to outfiscal you and they are perfectly fine running ten twelve, fourteen plays, just marching down the field every so often they'll sprinking in a little eleven personnel just to get their guys out there.

They have big receivers, right if the receivers are six two plus across the formation.

Except for Lad McCaughey, and he'll freaking destroy you in route running abilities.

Their only thing that I dislike about this offense is that their route concepts are pretty bad.

Like, their route concepts are not great.

Everything is like fifteen yards plus.

So we're talking about protecting their QB.

Their QB is being forced to hold the ball, right, so when they're not running the ball, all the routes way down the field and then he's just throwing jump balls.

It is not even that these guys aren't routing you up.

They're not.

They're not amazing in and out of their breaks.

These guys are just like running a nice little over route or nice little deep en route, and these guys are just like, yeah, the balls in my area, I'm bigger than you.

That's just how they play except for Lad.

Except for that.

Lad will give you that work at the off the line of script at work.

Yeah, he'll give you that work.

He's he is the X factor for me if I'm playing against adults.

He's their best route runner right now.

And Keenan Allen used to be that guy.

He's just not he doesn't have the same he doesn't have that.

Keenan Allen is just he's still a defeating father.

I think he's still a dude, but he's not the same like technician of a route runner where he was at one point arguably the best route runner in football alongside Marty.

Cooperatly and they list him at six to two.

Screwed that.

He's not six two, bro.

No.

But it's I think, and I'll reiterate this because I know that me saying the Cowboys are in trouble against this Charges front came off as me being a Cowboys fan boy.

Listen, So uh, the fact is, I'll reiterate that.

Chad.

Yeah, it's somebody that chimes in.

The hate going to be they hate me so much, this particular person, but you're watching me.

So the Cowboys are in trouble because, again, to reiterate everything, we're saying, Cowboys do not do well at getting home on the quarterback.

So that being said, it doesn't matter if the Chargers' offensive line is poor and pass protection because this could in fact, be a git right game and run for the rushing attack.

If Quinn Williams can't play, you're in more trouble as far as Mario Hampton and those guys being able to do that.

If that happens, then the play action comes into play for Justin Herbert.

And we all know Justin Herbert can also make some plays with his legs.

So even if you get pressure, you still have to get home on him because if he escapes the pocket and you can't keep the pocket contained, then he's going to rattle off ten fifteen yards.

He's going to move the chains himself.

But you also have to consider that he keeps his eyes down field, so if he breaks pocket, he breaks contained, then you're as a defense back, as a linebacker, you have to consider crashing down.

But then if you crash down, Isaiah just told you what he's going to do.

He's going to throw the ball up there outside of Maconkie.

They're not routing you up.

He's going to throw the ball and their guys are going to be tasked without athleticizing your guys.

New word just created that go with it.

I like them.

Yeah, So there we go.

Cowboys are going to have to figure some things out and Bland's injury is afoot.

If you had tuned in earlier, yes, that's not good.

My friend Justin Herbert.

Justin Herbert statistically has done an amazing job his first what five years in the league.

I think he has the most passing yards out of any quarterback in the history.

I like Herbert.

I've always been Yeah, I like her I'm not a huge fan.

I'm not a huge fan.

Well, I respect him, I respect this game.

Why not.

I'm always curious, No, no, regardless of that, I'm not that bad.

I'm always I'm always curious for those that have I've always gripe with Justin.

I don't have a gripe with him.

I'm just sounds like, no, none at all.

It's just his game.

His game just doesn't impress me now.

I think mainly because of maybe it's because of the stylard the receivers.

I'm gonna hold that against him.

I'm just saying he hasn't had to be as accurate as other quarterbacks.

I'll put it that way, and that's not fair to hold against him.

But I think because because of the bigger receivers that he has a lot of times, it's kind of just like put it up there and let me come down with it.

That's again, that's not taking anything away.

I just am not highly impressed.

His stats say otherwise.

His stats say he's the best in the first five years ever, so I have to give that respect.

I'm just talking about just the eye test, right I when I turn on and are not greatly impressed by it, But he doesn't right now what he's struggling with.

And you guys are talking about being able to get pressure on him and how this offensive line is not doing great.

Half of that is his responsibility.

Yeah, pocket press like his pocket presence is not great.

Yeah, his vision, his vision is not great.

His ability to diagnose the blitz is not great.

When you cut on a KC film and the Egos film, these guys are bringing outside the box pressures.

He's for whatever reason, is delayed at identifying it.

Yeah, And so I don't put all the responsibility on this office line.

I don't think this old line is as bad as you guys are making it sound.

Even though they're missing a couple of their starters, their big time investments, they're not as good as they were.

Obviously they got two first rounders that are out.

However, this pressure is coming off the edge.

These are guys that are unidentified, unblocked gentlemen coming off the edge that the quarterback is responsible for.

Right, And sometimes you can't block everybody.

Sometimes it's a quarterback's job to say, hey, that man right there is coming.

We're running a hot route, or I got to get the ball out of my hands, or I have to move myself in the pocket in a way that I would give me just a halfspace second time that I need to get the ball off so that I don't get hit and take a sack.

So, yes, this offensive line is not as good as they were, but no, they're not as bad as you think they are.

They're just bringing pressure off the edge that he is responsible for, and teams keep doing it because they're saying, for whatever reason, he's not identifying it, and he continues.

To have problems with it.

So I'm hoping that Dallas is able to acknowledge that as well when they turned the film on and say, hey, whenever bring fires on blitzes.

He's struggling with that, how about we continue doing that.

I think you've got it pegged all the way down to the fact that his pocket presence.

It's interesting because I think as a passer, he's got it all figured out.

And like you said, Canon, he's got an incredible arm.

He can read a route and read a defense.

But when it comes to the pocket presence and maneuvering little nuances that a defense is going to throw you, it's the opposite of what we've seen from Dak.

It's completely different because Dak has been very good at reading a blitz and at deciphering the pressure and maneuvering through.

Dak's pocket presence is one of the best in the NFL.

Justin Herbert's is not.

But Justin Herbert doesn't or he has the arm talent that Dak Prescott doesn't.

And the athleticism to get out of situation where he can gain six yards on a play that is broken.

Basically, yeah, I.

Think if he were to get the right offen of coordinator, and we saw when Gellen Moore was there for a little bit, if he gets the right offensive coordinator that schemes the system to what his strengths are, I think then all of a sudden, those quick passes, those slants underneath right now, like you said, it's almost like backyard Football's like run up, run around.

I'll find you down the field somewhere.

Give them a.

Little bit of scheme, give them a little bit.

Of comfort, something upfront.

Just to allow him to throw the football quicker and not be pressured the same.

One and all that being said, if you don't have Quentin Williams like you alluded to earlier, I mean.

He's gonna have.

He's gonna have all game, and those deep crossers that aren't necessarily working out for them so far this season are going to be.

I mean, you just had Kenny Clark, Like I understand, like Gwinn and Williams being in there is huge.

But Kenny Clark last game, man.

He had, he had a better game quin.

Bro.

He was putting people ten yards deep into They're freaking It was disgusting and it wasn't just once it was.

But now they can double team him facts.

And agree there was also a year or there's a reason, hopefully there's a reason that Amarion Hampton is two and zero since returning, like they've won both games since he came back, because he brings an element of the physicality, elements of balance to that offense.

That they don't have with That's what they want.

They want to beat you up, yes, like they want to.

It's old school like hardball.

In his offense is literally he came in.

As soon as he came into the charge, he's like, give me the biggest offensive lineman you can find.

After that, he was like, give me the biggest fullback, Give me the biggest freaking running backs that we can find.

Right, that's what he Give me the biggest quarterback.

Huh?

How about that guy?

How about it?

Six six?

Huh?

He wants he literally just wants to line up and say we're going that way.

You can't stop us.

Yep, see what happens?

All right?

When we come back, We've got some lab code featuring we do Patrick Nocy Walker.

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You know, since we're talking about the charters offensive line, let's just keep talking about it.

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Is now time for Patrick Knowes walk all right?

Yeah, he did it when I was talking.

You gotta bring it in again.

Kissed the draw.

Yes, sing there it is all right.

So we're talking about the Chargers offensive line.

They have two sides of their tail.

As we've discussed.

When it comes to the rushing attack, pretty damn good.

Okay, when it comes to pass pro for a lot of reasons, including was Isaiah was a speaker to as far as they tasked justin Herbert would avoiding some of those edge pressures, but he's not.

So the bottom line is the bottom line.

Cow very nicely there.

Early earlier in the segment, you were saying they were.

Crash protection.

To my point here we are rate.

That's so bad.

What you need, Chief opened up the tricks?

What you got?

All right?

So the jar this is something that cowboys have to take advantage of or they will lose.

This game.

In my opinion, it's the bottom line.

If they don't take advantage of this glaring opportunity, it's an lf chargers have allowed.

Chargers have allowed pressure on Justin Herbert forty four percent of the time in his dropbacks.

That's the second highest rate in the NFL, second highest rate.

Forty four percent of the time.

In their last two games, Justin Herbert has been pressured fifty seven point three percent of the time on his dropbacks.

That is unreal.

That's a lot, dude, that is not very good.

Roughly fifty seven percent of his drop backs over the past two games have had pressure injected into them and he's completed only ten to twenty four passes when under pressure, only one touchdown.

He has two interceptions.

This is the problem with that.

So that's one side of the coin.

The Chargers in pass protection are trash and they will basically invite you to pressure Justin Herbert.

They will invite it.

Contrarily, here the Cowboys, here's the Cowboys problem.

Cowboys have generated pressure at a rate of only thirty four percent this season, only thirty four p m gb MGB.

Not great, Bob so I said, be.

A good batting average.

Not even would be pretty good.

Three forty gets you to the Hall of Fame, That's what I'm saying.

But like, this isn't baseball.

Now, this isn't baseball.

You need to be successful more often than thirty four percent of the time in the NFL.

So, on the one hand, you have the Chargers pass protection, the offensive line.

They're inviting you, not even daring you.

They're traffic coning back there.

They're just like, hey, if you want to go chase the guy, chase the guy.

The problem is is the Cowboys haven't been.

Able to chase the run at the airline glows.

Yeah, So so we'll see how those two things play out, because one of those things is going to win out over the other.

Can the Cowboys flip the switch and suddenly get a high rate of pressure against an offensive line who's allowing an insane rate of pressure on the quarterback?

Or is this a get right game for an offensive line that typically allows a lot of pressure and for some reason this Sunday becomes the Great Wall of Los Angeles.

So more often than not, the Dallas Cowboys defense has said, you know what they do really poorly.

Let's help them out.

Let's do them a.

Solid Let's make sure that they feel better leaving this building.

To get right game Fellas.

Yeah, is that gonna be a part of your get your popcorn ready segment tomorrow?

Maybe?

I don't know, maybe a little bit.

I already have two bad options.

Yeah that's not good.

Yeah, maybe we need one more good one.

But I think if you were to look at your front seven and you guys asked the question earlier in the show, who's gonna step up?

Who is going to be that guy?

Who would you put your stock in to say?

They're going to be the ones that step up and provide pressure in this game?

Kenny Clark, Okay, yeah, I'm going and that's where you're going with.

That's what And if we choose to double him, then what.

I gotta go with?

Clowning?

That's okay, That's where I was going.

I gotta go.

I like as a rock I really do like him.

He's been more of a run defender than he has been a pass rusher, which is fine.

I think he's going to be an exceptional player beginning next year.

I really because I keep I keep hearing it, I keep hearing how sound he is, and you know he.

Put on some weight because especially against this office.

Line, the results are not there.

For me, He's almost playing like a like a DeMarcus Lawrence role, where like there's like there's like a little bit of a pass rush every once in a while, but for the most part, he's set in the edge and he is sticking.

You know what, I have a theory about that.

You would better to Marcus Lawrence.

In fact, I have a theory about that schematically and rest well, Marshaan, you are miss brother.

But Marshawan was to be in the DeMarcus Lawrence.

Yes, and when when your body yeah, and when we lost, when we lost Marshana, that's still tough.

I'm here.

When we lost Marshan, I think ibra Flus looked for someone to fill the DeMarcus Lawrence role.

And I think now.

Because if you look at its Rock, he was starting to come on as a pass rusher and then we lose Marshawan and now he's more of an edge center.

So he's done a great job.

He has, but in order to be that, he.

Is going to need to eat some you know, some government cheese this offseason and build up a little bit.

But I honestly I don't want I don't want that.

I want him to be really good at setting the edge.

I do, but I think that his ceiling as much higher as a pass rusher, which is what should be facilitated for him.

Put him in positions where he can pin his ears back and go get the passer.

I think that would have potentially an exceptional NFL career for him, versus saying, Okay, well, we know you can rush the passer, but let's let's just keep that there and bring up the run defense, like we want you to be able to defend the run, but not at the expense of I mean this, this guy is a collegiate record center at you know, taking down quarterbacks, so facilitated I hope.

So I hope that's the case.

And at least for me just outside looking in, it feels like the stats aren't there necessarily for for him right now.

They're not.

The film is there, though, Like I think he looks good on film.

Yeah, we'll see it, like when it translates to sacks.

Yeah.

I thought he would be closer, closer to like a DeMarcus ware type.

Not necessarily that I think he will.

Be, and I can be I've actually reached out to d Double, Like, hey, bro, like this cat for real because they have the same body type.

He hasn't feeled.

Why didn't you get on him?

He just said that he just reached out to DeMarcus teammate just no, Biggie's former team.

No, don't get on him, geez, you know I'll get on Josh.

You know who else is still around that I might have to holight And I see I see it pretty frequently.

Because he lives by me.

Anthony Spears Space Spencer Spears Spear, Marcus Spears.

Spencer's all right, yeah, that's gonna do it for us here on talking Cowboys.

I appreciate you trying to make this football team better by texting, texting your resources.

That's using your resources when you when you see it, you just you see guys and you're like, you look like a guy I played.

With, you know what I mean?

And like, I'm not saying that you could be that player.

You will be that player, you will exceed that player.

But if you guys have the same like physical attributes and that person is still local, why not?

My question is which DeMarcus is Donovan?

Is he to Marcus Ware or is he DeMarcus Lawrence.

He's playing like DeMarcus Lawrence.

But they need to put him in the DeMarcus Where lane.

But right now they do have him in the DeMarcus Lawrence where And yeah, that was a bar.

That's how we're gonna end here on Talking Good.

When we come back tomorrow, it's gonna be a say it with your chest on a Friday.

Can't wait.

We're gonna preview the matchup.

Only got a couple of these left.

It's gonna be exciting.

We're gonna be ready to go show you who we are.

And that's what we're gonna do.

We're gonna show you who we have Walker Josh Ryder yes, I said back and Chris Bey him in the back.

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