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From The Archive: Olivia Colman

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Speaker 1

Welcome to Ruthie's Table four, a production of iHeartRadio and Adamized Studios.

Speaker 2

The films of Olivia Coleman have the power to move us to tears, make us laugh, and inspire us to try something new.

They can also make us feel really, really hungry.

In the Favorite playing Queen Anne, Olivia Coleman conveys her authority by insisting on a cup of over rich hot chocolate.

And there are tables laden with roasted venison, lamb cakes, desserts, the symbols of wealth and privilege.

None to the queen, what what you cannot have?

Got chocolate?

Your stomach?

Sugar inflames it.

Speaker 1

I'm AGirl having that cup?

Speaker 2

Do not?

I'm sorry, I do not know what to do.

Oh fine, give it here and you can get a bucket in a mop for the aftermath.

I met Olivia over food one night in the River Cafe.

She was with my friend Maggie gillinol and they just wrap filming for their movie The Lost Daughter in Greece.

It is not an exaggeration to say they pretty much ordered everything on the menu.

We immediately got into talking about feeding our kids, cooking and inflicted distance from family when working This was a conversation that could have lasted for hours, but I had to go back to the kitchen and she needed to finish your lemon pasta before it cooled down.

Today we're here in the River Cafe and she is the one who's been cooking the lemon pasta.

Now we're going to pick up where we left off.

Conversation with a woman I admire, I respect, and I adore lucky me.

Speaker 1

Oh, that was the best introduction.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Man's true.

It's true.

So you're in the River Cafe kitchen with Alex, who's on the section called Hots two which does pasta.

So what was it like?

What it just say?

Speaker 1

Lovely?

Speaker 2

You chose for your recipe tag you Telly with lemon, cream and parsley, And I wonder if you would like to read it.

Speaker 3

Four hundred grams tagli tenny and salt and coarsely ground black pepper, three hundred miles double cream, one hundred and twenty grams unsalted butter, softened zest and juice of four juicy lemons.

Six tablespoons roughly chopped flat leaf parsley.

One hundred and fifty grams of grated parmitan.

Speaker 1

This is one that you chose.

Speaker 2

Sure, yeah, I mean it.

It is absolutely lovely and classic, and I think sort of as you start being this time of years, is you know, it's sort of starve a bit more light in summary, but still on its slightly miserable.

Speaker 1

Well have I picked something too easy for you?

Speaker 2

No?

No, this is great, fantastic.

Speaker 1

What we want to do is we basically.

Speaker 2

Just get everything in in the pan.

Speaker 3

That we need.

Speaker 1

So we're going to have a bit of butter of a bit of.

Speaker 3

Cream in a large, thick bottomed saucepan.

Gently heat the cream.

When warm, add the butter, lemon, juice, and zest, stir briefly together.

Speaker 1

Then remove from the heat.

Speaker 3

Cook the tagultarian a generous amount of boiling salted water until al dente, and then drain, stir into the warm cream and season.

Add half the parsley and tossed together.

Speaker 1

I was going, do you want to like toss it?

Speaker 3

Can?

I?

Speaker 2

Yeah?

Yeah, yeah, because I feel like, sorry, that's a bit you know, we've still got a bit of you Just give it a good old yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3

Serve immediately on warm plates with the remainder of the parsley and the parmesan as it.

Speaker 2

Cools, it will sort of thicken up a little bit, and then a little bit of parmesan on top.

Speaker 1

From that's sort of what we're looking for.

Its pretty Oh.

Speaker 2

What did you observe?

Speaker 1

Yeah?

Just amazing.

Speaker 2

He said you cooked it?

You actually did well.

Speaker 1

I think he's lying, definitely.

Speaker 2

It's not easy to go into it.

Let me do that.

I did the tossing.

Yeah, did you catch it?

Yeah?

Speaker 3

Well I did make a bit of a mess of your floor.

Sorry, Oh dear, okay, we.

Speaker 1

Just wanted no, we didn't want to know.

Speaker 2

Did you see food and your ability to eat, Well, it's a kind of measure of your success.

People very often see that that we've talked to would say as their success increased, they measured it by being able to go to a good restaurant, better bottle of wine, even not have to look at the right hand side for the prices before they looked at what they wanted to eat.

Yeah, the difference is so is that how is that measured in your career?

Speaker 3

I remember we've got a close group of active friends that we all were drama school together and we all stayed very close.

But when we first left drama school, sometimes we'd go to you know, a pub for someone's birthday to eat, and it was very much sort of how about should we share that all of us were you know, really there wasn't much lots of money going around and and renting terrible places and trying to share something between us.

Or if we club together and buy one bottle and then we could always get something from the offfee on the way home and have more to drink because it's cheaper at home.

And then cut to you know, years later, I could say, let's walk out for dinner, my shout or you know what.

Speaker 2

Did you read after we had the ask?

Was that celebrated with food?

Speaker 4

No?

Speaker 1

I think that was entirely booze.

Speaker 3

I could do another program called you know, I was so out of it sort of I couldn't believe what had happened.

Speaker 2

You did seem very sharp, yes, And why why were you so surprised?

Speaker 3

I didn't think i'd get it, you know, the first time I'd been nominated, and we were so proud the film and everything, but I just thought that that's never gonna happen.

That's oh, it makes your emotional.

It was such a ridiculous thing to have happened in a way.

Yeah, I can't believe it.

Still can't quite believe that happened.

I did afterwards.

Speaker 4

Yeah.

Speaker 2

Do you are you an emotional eater?

Do you eat when you're happy or sad?

You both?

Yeah?

Speaker 3

Yeah, I do love you know, the comfort foods or hot buttered toast butter place, but I love butter.

Speaker 1

Toast is basically just a vehicle for butter.

Agree.

Speaker 2

My mother in law used to say that butter is the best cheese, you know.

She treated it like cheese and you just have a piece of slab butter until she decided that it was would kill you, so that I was never allowed to cook with butter after that.

But it is really Yeah, I like it.

And when you make a film like for instance, going to Greece, when you made the last order.

Speaker 3

With Maggie too, Yeah, all of the we're in the same hotel.

Maggie had a little house separately because she had to do grown up things think about the next day, and we were all quite badly behaved.

Who you were so me Jesse, Dakota, Dakoacha Johnson, Jesse Buckley, to Coach Johnson, Paul Meskill, Ollie Jackson, Cohen, Dagmara Demin, chic.

Speaker 1

Who else?

Speaker 3

I feel awful if I'm missing anyone else out.

But we were all together and quite badly behaved and eating.

We knew exactly the menu because we'd all been the same hotel for I think six weeks, so we knew the menu back to front.

And they were very sweet and would do very but there was I remember they had a deconstructed fetter, you know, Greek salad, so it was a really different fetter, not a solid one, but quite a soft one, laid out sort of prettily rather than you know what.

But I remember from a childhood holidays degrees which is great, big chunks of everything in a bomb.

I have even got pictures of the food.

And they did a savice with mango and m lovely things.

This is Greece, in Greece, in the hotel in the Poseidonian and as well, Yes we did go to Greece as it as yeah as kids, and I remember then eating octopus.

I couldn't eat octopus now because I've you know, the my octopus teacher, and learning so much about how clever they are.

I can't do it any but to eat it straight out of the sea, so fresh and squid and.

Speaker 2

So did your parents travel with you when you were a kid, did you kill No, they.

Speaker 3

Weren't really travelers.

But my dad's best friend moved to Naples when I was twelve.

I don't think they'd ever been to Italy, and we decided to go and we stayed with them.

Speaker 2

In the summer.

Speaker 3

Yes, in the summer, we went to Ischia in the Bay of Naples and just had because they lived there and he married an Italian woman.

We had incredible food.

We went to amazing restaurants, and we didn't know what we were doing, so he would trust me and you would order something of everything and try these beautiful things.

We went to little restaurants in people's houses in the hills.

Oh, yeh is it when I was twelve?

I was born in seventy four and I can't do maths.

Speaker 2

Yeah, so that's eighty two, well done, No twelve, no maths either.

Seventy four eight eighty six.

How long did it take us to add twelve to seventy four eighty that's the year before we started here.

And it's interesting that you know your first introduction to Italian cucoo was southern, you know, so regional, isn't it a different said, you go on to Venice, you would have had completely different food.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 2

And I love the food of southern Italy.

I did that last year.

I went sailing in that area and it's lemons and basil.

Speaker 1

Yeah, you know, fish fresh.

Speaker 2

Yeah, fresh, really good.

So let's go back to the beginnings.

Yes, born in.

Speaker 3

Norfolk, Yes, not really a family of food.

Food was always love.

We'd always sit together and we had dinner.

Yeah, a lot of My mum was a nurse.

Often she'd come in.

It would be quick.

We might sit on the sofa watch Telly with food on our laps and you know, doctor who.

But when people came around, it was an excuse for my dad to open a bottle of wine and entertain.

Speaker 2

And who did the cooking?

Speaker 1

Then?

Speaker 2

Did he ever cook?

Speaker 4

He?

Speaker 3

My mom did the cooking.

She never really loved cooking.

And her mum, I remember my granny sort of dreaded people coming around.

And we'd always have slightly overcooked salmon, new potatoes and green beans.

I think that was it every time I went to my granny's house.

And but then my mum whenever anyone came for a dinner party, I can just remember cold Morney.

That's with cheese and kind of crepes and spinach, I think, yeah yeah, and new potatoes as simple as possible.

Speaker 1

She really didn't want to spend much time.

After that trip to Italy.

Speaker 3

My dad decided he wanted to get involved and started to particularly pastors and things, and that's.

Speaker 2

What did you do?

Speaker 3

He was a surveyor, chilter surveyor, but he quite liked the glass of wine feeding everybody.

Speaker 1

He wasn't great, but he was enthusiastic.

Speaker 2

I think it is hard for a woman who was a nurse, you know, how to think about did she work nights?

Speaker 3

By the time I came along, she wasn't doing nights because she wasn't working in the hospital.

She was working on the district, so I can't even remember.

She must have been on call if someone needed her at night time.

But she worked Christmas Day, you know.

She always took the shifts that she knew other people didn't really want to do.

I think, and your grandmother lived near you, often i'd go and stay there.

If Mum and Dad were very busy, I'd go and stay with my granny.

And she always had orange Club biscuits in her.

Speaker 2

What are your memories of your grandmother, my grand orange.

Speaker 3

Club biscuits, rabina hilariously by in my bed.

So that's sugar all night.

Speaker 2

Probably they didn't think about that.

Speaker 1

No, no, not at all and pretty.

Speaker 2

Okay, thanks, So the memories.

What about your father's mother.

Speaker 1

She was an amazing baker girl.

Speaker 2

We found someone in the y.

What did she make?

Speaker 3

Just there was always she had a little larder and she'd always go have a little look in the cupboard there go on and there was always been a little bit of cake and made you a little bit something or shortbreads, fruitcake which I'd ever liked, so she'd always make me a little chocolate cake.

And yeah, just we were always allowed to go in and help ourselves.

Speaker 2

So growing up Norfrika's see only place incredible secret.

Speaker 3

We used to also our holidays were also camping in Norfolk, just a few miles away from where we actually lived on the coast, and we'd camp in a campsite and picked Sanfa.

We in Norfolk we call it Sanfa And when I first saw it written down on our menu in London said Samphire.

Speaker 1

I have no idea what that was, so.

Speaker 2

I thought it was pronounced.

Speaker 3

I thought it was spelt as a kid s a n f e r sanfa, but I think that's just the Northern way of saying it.

But the way we ate it as well was so shake off the mud in the seawater and it's sort of blanched, but it's still so you keep the root thing and just dip it in butter and put it like that.

You get the meat off the meat, you know.

Yeah, yeah, And we'd always just have it like that.

You'd never have it with something else.

Speaker 1

You eat it.

That's how we ate it.

Speaker 2

We take that little twig off at the barroom and then we've blanched, put it with a fishbert and yeah and sea burst.

It's great.

It's a short season though, isn't it.

Speaker 4

Yeah.

Speaker 1

I think you're not allowed to pick it anymore.

Speaker 3

We used to really go and pick it, just go to the beach, pick it off the marshes and fish and fish.

Yes, we used to go cockling as well.

And mussels.

I have always loved mussels.

Oh that garlakey dunk bread in it.

Speaker 4

Yeah.

Speaker 3

I did my first school play when I was sixteen, and suddenly I'd always been so rubbish at everything at school, and then suddenly did a play and went a light went on.

Speaker 1

I love this.

Speaker 3

I wonder if I could do this, but I didn't know anyone who did it.

I assumed you had to come from that place in order to do it, so sort of had a secret yearning that never said it.

And then I went to Homerton, which I think still is a teacher training college in Cambridge, but I left after a term or so, so I never They call it matriculation when you become part of the university, but I never did that, so I was never part of the university.

Speaker 1

And I left because I just couldn't do it.

Speaker 3

And then went off to the town of Cambridge and ended up working as a cleaner there for years.

And I had a bicycle has the same major to everyone else.

Nobody questioned me, and I went cycled around, went to lectures of people.

So I went to an architecture lecture, went to an EU law lecture with when I was totally in desperate, in love with Ed and just trying.

Speaker 2

To you were being an actor.

Nigella last and a friend of mine, you know, she worked as a cleaner in hotels and Florence, and she said it was the most revealing you could have, particularly in the hotel the way people left their rooms or so you did that for her.

Speaker 3

Long, Yeah, a couple of years, and then did a secretarial course.

That was my mum's suggestion that if you're going to be an actor, you need something for it.

So you knew then that this is by then.

Yeah, I had done in Cambridge.

There's about thirty drama societies and I would just cycle aandaled it.

I did my shift cycle and auditioning things don't play his learning lines, going back, cleaning all the loose and chasing head around.

Speaker 2

Yeah, it was your husband to be was a student Cambridge.

Speaker 1

Yes he was.

Speaker 3

He's proper clever and he was there doing it properly.

What does he do He was doing law then, but he's a writer.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 3

And then we went off to Bristol of Vic Drama School together and then we sort of you know, the food is love thing.

We went to Thai restaurants and discovered new food together and there's Aai restaurant in Cambridge and it was so delicious we took it back with us.

We asked its the first of a time I've asked for a doggie bag.

And I didn't want to leave any of it, and we left it on his window, still outside, putting arms out the.

Speaker 1

Window and going, oh my god, it's amazing.

The lemon grass and the coconut.

Speaker 2

Milcolm so Cambridge and then you started acting more and more and he went to Bristol.

Yeah, and when you actually then started working in the theater, that must have absolutely your way of eating.

Did it give you a routine or did it give you restrictions some what you could have?

Speaker 3

And well, once we left Bristol and we were working, you know, trying to earn our keep as actors.

I did my first few plays and things.

I think I ate quite late after the show because it was sort of on a high.

Certainly wanted to have a drink afterwards.

When I worked at the Noel Coward Theater right next to Shiky's with Amy Morgan and Phoebe Wallerbridge, the three of us would sort of go to Cheeky's afterwards and sit outside and I think we all smoked then, and we would order the little croquettes and the Scarlett Burgers.

Speaker 1

Oh, and that was a true and just drink.

This would have been.

Speaker 3

After Iron Lady, except when I first met Phoebe, which is Meryl Street playing Margaret Thatcher.

Speaker 1

So a couple of years after that, three years after that.

I don't know, I'm so bad.

Speaker 2

With but you can remember what you ate, you can always Yes, Yeah, loves food, she does.

Speaker 4

Yeah.

Speaker 3

And it's really annoying that she's so tall and lean and she loves eating.

Speaker 2

It's annoying.

It's annoying.

I will, I will.

But sure you were eating out, so when you because it's you know, picnics.

Would you eat before if you were in a martine would you.

Speaker 3

We'd sometimes have a picnic on the floor of one of our dressing rooms, so go to you know, get sort of little little cheeses and meats and pretend you're having a normal life and not going back on stage.

Speaker 2

There are men involved as well.

Speaker 3

Was it most of the female It was mostly just the three of our girls, and we'd have a kip.

We'd sort of put we had some roll out mattresses that we could put on the floor and we'd have a snooze and eat nice food and then do the matinee.

Speaker 2

Do you think that it binds you together food?

When you when you go on a set and you know that you're meeting you know, I don't know if the all the other actors were friends of yours before, but does it something that holds you all?

Speaker 3

Before COVID happened, everyone would eat together on the dining bus and I loved that you were eating with the crew and what did you go for?

What you go for, and having a lovely time together, so social, and then time to sort of all be equal and to let your head down.

And then now the dining bus hasn't really come back, and so people sort of eat separately, and that's such a shame, and you sort of sit on your own in your little van.

And I missed that very much, and hopefully we'll come back.

But also sometimes you know, some actors are having to have a particularly strict diet because they've got to look a certain way, and that's sort of awful, and you try and hide the pudding option that you went for.

Speaker 2

How does weight and physical appearance with food, How does it affect your work?

I was just talking to someone who's coming to London to be in a movie, and his assistant said to me that he has a nutritionist and a trainer because he's on a very special diet for the film.

And I thought, well, that'd be interesting.

I'd like to know about that because maybe I could go on that without the nutritionist.

And it turned out that he was actually eating eight thousand calories a day because I had to gain so much weight.

It was completely and I just was wondering how that, you know, when you were a princess, when you.

Speaker 3

When you okay queen and I had to put on weight.

You had to put on about two stone, did you?

Speaker 2

And how did you do that?

Speaker 1

I mean, that's easy.

Speaker 2

Yeah, you didn't need a nutritionist in my seat.

Speaker 3

But you know, and Rachel and and Emily Emma are very healthy, clean eaters anyway.

They love food, but it's sort of clean food, so well, they had their healthy options.

I would say, I have one of everything and all of the puddings, and if you don't want that, I'll have that.

It started actually to be little bit quite quite gloomy.

I thought, God, what fun being told to put on weight?

But I can put all my quite quickly, and so it starts to feel, oh, yeah, I don't know, you want another pizza or another I'm going to have to take it all off at the end, you know, And how did you take it off?

Just see it old fashioned eating a lot less and trying to move more.

Speaker 1

But it was boring and hard, and she loved to eat.

Was yeah she was.

I mean she did.

Speaker 2

Was it fifteen pregnancies she'd had seventeen or maybe when I watched the film against and she lost, she'd lost seventeen babies.

Speaker 1

That's right.

Speaker 3

Her eldest one had lasted to had got to ten years old, so they had varying degrees of ages.

But I think food for her was she was apparently clinically obese and and.

Speaker 1

Yeah, you eat comfort food.

Speaker 2

And what I playing the queen and the was she very different?

Speaker 3

And she was tiny, so I did have to She had a tiny waist and I don't have a tiny waiste, so I did.

Speaker 1

They were very sweet.

Speaker 3

They got me a trainer before I started, and then thankfully by my second season she was a bit older and didn't have such tiny waste, so I was about.

Speaker 2

A bit.

Did you feel playing her and the research into the live post war so completely restrictive and different from what the voluptuous nurse and the time?

Speaker 1

Yes, so what was that like?

Speaker 2

What was your sense of food in the palace and food in the monarchy and food for being Queen.

Speaker 3

Well, I think when they had I mean, this is you know, only stuff, but I remember from what we did.

But whenever there was there were people coming to visit, sort of big must entertain the heads of state things, it was all beautiful, lovely food.

But because she'd remembered rations and everything, Yeah, she was never irresponsible about too much food.

She ate quite sort of circumspect frugally, and she did maintain and she was very healthy and outdoorsy, and she maintained a sort of neat little figure which doesn't come from copies amounts of food.

So I think she was quite conservative about pleasure.

Speaker 2

I mean, yeah, it's interesting that you know what you wonder what pleasure there was in Yeah, you know you can see the kings of France and the childs and wonder whether the British aristocracy had probably probably did you know those country houses then yeah, you just wonder about the palace, whether eating and food was fun.

I hope so, yeah, I hope they enjoy it how they enjoy it now.

I think with King Charles, I think that that family probably is more interested in food because.

Speaker 3

The lovely organic vegetables and yeah, and for Miller's son Tom Barker Bowls writes about food to cook book.

Speaker 1

Hopefully they have to.

Speaker 2

I wonder if they go to restaurants.

Speaker 1

So I don't know.

I think that's probably hard thing to do, isn't it.

Speaker 2

Maybe do you cook at home?

Is this passion for food telling that you love to eat?

But yeah, that's fair enough.

I'm a very good guest.

Speaker 3

When I first left home, my mom gave me a Delia Smith sort of complete, which was amazing.

Speaker 2

And you know, I think she's good, really, I do.

She was in the restaurant that long ago, really, and I thought she really taught a generation to cook.

Speaker 3

All those lovely sort of staples.

I learned that from from her recipe book.

So your mom gave you this book?

And yeah, and so I loved cooking for my two flatmates, Debbie and Olivia, and that was the only cookbook we had, and we would I loved it.

Also, I started to enjoy going to the shop and going to buy because we want such a tight budget.

We'd picture meals and buy for the meals, not just you know, anything off the shelf.

Speaker 1

Fancy that.

And I really enjoyed that.

Speaker 3

And I enjoyed and sometimes it was just a jacket of potato with loads of butter and cheese.

But I really enjoyed the us all eating together and you know, feeding each other.

So you have three children and you work and sometimes you don't.

Yeah, it can be home or you have do have to shop.

Speaker 2

So what is like?

You told us what food was like in your parents and your grandparents.

If I were to knock on the door, what is food like if you were to knock on the.

Speaker 3

Door that, Yeah, you should, because now we have I still struggle with saying because I feel a bit it's still of embarrassed.

But we have a really lovely nanny now I know, because we certainly both started working much more.

Speaker 1

She's an incredible cook.

Speaker 2

Are they coming there?

Yeah, you should, and you'll sit down to dinner.

Speaker 1

We always sit together and eat.

Speaker 3

Yeah when we sometimes the kids are doing late things at school and we have we do a Sunday roast every Sunday.

Speaker 1

We're so boring.

Speaker 2

And do you take them on holidays and food holidays?

Speaker 3

Yeah, we took the kids to sort of holiday of a lifetime to Sri Lanka just before lockdown and just ate the most incredible food three times a day, curry three times a day.

Speaker 2

Yeah, what was that?

Speaker 3

Because we traveled around with the kids, and our two eldest are really adventurous.

Speaker 1

They've always we've we've always.

Speaker 3

Included them with all the food we have, and when we have curry, we always make one that's slightly less spicy, and they sort of they love it now and the boys love spice.

And so when we were traveling around, our little one really wasn't wasn't thrilled, but she was only four at the time.

So she ate plain pasta wherever we were plain rise and we would have egg hoppers and the string hoppers for breakfast, and the dolls and the coconuts, sambal and all these beautiful things we would eat and they loved it as well.

Speaker 2

It does tell you about a country, doesn't it.

Yell, that's growing.

Yeah.

Speaker 3

Our middle boy, he's he became obsessed with Japan when he was very little, and he did a sushi course and he makes beautiful sushi and ramen.

Speaker 2

He does three day ramen.

It does take yeah days, it makes days.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 3

And actually Ed is taking the two boys for a cookery course when they before our eldest goes to university.

So they're doing a little week together little boys week learning to cook.

Speaker 2

Do you feel when you're away and you're working, do you feel that your work takes you away from some people you love?

And well, you know, how does that work?

Speaker 3

Ed and I have been together thirty years, and up until COVID, i'd only ever been away.

The longest I've been away was two weeks, because I just don't take jobs away from home.

Speaker 2

Okay, let's stuck there.

So then you you think about accepting a movie or yeah, a player or something that will keep you away from home.

Speaker 3

Yeah, I just I get terribly homesick.

I never used to be able to sleep very well if ED wasn't there, And now I think we're probably you know, I'm at an age where sleep is harder anyway, So actually it's quite.

Speaker 1

You go a night away, Yeah, I'll, I'll get a great night sleep.

Speaker 3

But I also I missed the kids, you know, I wanted to be there, and so I was very lucky that I had the option of great work in the UK and I didn't have to go away and then well.

Speaker 2

Lost or cha.

I was going to say it was that six weeks.

Speaker 1

Six weeks.

Speaker 3

So Sunny went from the six sixth way, which is I think why we all behave so badly because we all adored each other, got on so well, got hey, we're here, we're in a beautiful place.

Speaker 2

Did the kids come out?

Speaker 3

No, because weren't allud you because if they came, they'd have to quarantine before point, so we'd all meet up.

We were each other's family, and I know dag Mara was really missing her family, and I really understood that feeling.

So I said, you'll be back on the school run before you know it.

And they don't know that you're miserable or happy, so just go for happy.

Speaker 2

And men aren't nil who are in the same actors feel that way as well.

Do you think they know that their wife is home with the kids, and it's all.

Speaker 3

I've always struggled with this male female thing.

I think ideally, if you're all brought up the same, you are the same.

It's only conditioning that makes sisting male female.

So all the men I know and love struggle with being away from home and they miss, you know, the ones I'm not that impressed by have a ball.

But I think that's the same with some women as well.

You know, love being away.

It's I don't think it's a gender thing.

I think it's a conditioning thing.

But people get shut down by different No.

Speaker 2

No, people ask me if women chefs could differently from male shops, and I always try and avoid that.

They really want you to say that women cook with more care or more sensitivity and men are a bit more and it's not true.

Speaker 3

And it's not fair to the men that we all know love and I know plenty of really uncaring women and plenty of incredibly emotional, you know, kind men.

Speaker 2

And now you're doing a movie about chocolate.

Is that right?

Oh god, yeah, I had to talk about that will they won't get and the chocolate.

So what was that like in terms of chocolate?

Speaker 3

And oh they had a chocolate here, But when I went to have for fittings and things, they said, come and look at what this chocolate has made for us.

And these chocolates were exquisite, and he said you can eat them all.

I mean often, if it's going to be a prop why bother maker, But that he was so such a master.

He insisted that it had to taste beautiful, what sort of caramel?

Speaker 1

Incredible?

Speaker 3

And they were brightly colored and amazing shapes, and every one of them you could have eaten, and it would have been incredible.

Speaker 2

I wish the audience could see your smile, because every time you talk about food, your face lights up, and you know, you sort of remember the things that you ate, places that you've eaten.

Speaker 1

And the first time I had truffle.

Speaker 3

Yeah, a white ruffle.

Oh, just any truffle.

Any, And now we have we have a little job with truffle, and every now and then, yeah, overscrumbled eagle, yeah on a Russian pasta.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 2

You know, food is love, and food is alleviating hunger, and food is curiosity or traveling or discovering.

Food is also comfort, and I was wondering if there's a food that you would turn to, something you'd either make or buy.

Olivia Coleman, wonderful person that you are, and I hope you don't need comfort very often because you give such joy.

I mean when you came in the restaurant today, We've had all sorts of people come in and they're great.

They're politicians or you know, actors or writers or doctors or whatever, and you just I could just see everybody look up and be so happy you were there, really happy that you were there.

It was really great to see, and of course I joined them and saying thank you so much, so would you come back again?

Yeah, okay, we'll do it more.

And meanwhile, will you tell me and tell I was ever listening, what would be the comfort food you turn to?

Speaker 3

My comfort food is sort of a one spoon thing and it's tarcodile.

Speaker 1

I could eat that all day, every day.

Okay, tacodile.

Speaker 4

Tell me?

Speaker 2

Can you just tell people who might not know what it is?

Speaker 3

So it's a lentils which are soft, and there's garlic, and I think the tadca is the tempered thing on the top.

I've never made it, but I am a connoisseur of eating it.

Yeah, and it is my favorite thing I always order.

If we have a takeaway or delivery, I order much more tarcodile than we need, so I can have it cold for breakfast.

I'll have it read it again for lunch next day.

I just love it.

Speaker 1

I could eat it.

I'm going to try that love it.

Speaker 2

I was surprised because I'm sure you're going to say toast and butter.

Speaker 1

I'm sorry, Yeah, don't be sorry, but.

Speaker 2

I will come and have that talcodile knock on your door and thank you so God, thank you having me.

And now you're going to go and have food.

I'm go have lunch and you can eat and eat and eat.

Oh, thank you, thank you so much.

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