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Please welcome back to the show for her first appearance since episode ninety five, Please welcome the Demon Sear June Lungern.

How's it going today.

It's going good.

It's Monday.

You know, maydays are always bad.

Hey, recording a show on Monday night though way too bad.

It's always fun to have a good conversation to start off the week at least.

Yeah, Hey, I'll get me through the week.

And I know that there's been a lot that has happened since last time we chatted, because it's probably been at least probably about two two and a half years at this point.

But I guess before we get into all of the awesome stuff that you got going on recently, for anybody that may not have been listening all the way back at episode ninety five, and they're not familiar with who you are, what your work is exactly.

Want you let them know a little bit about yourself and a little bit about what you do.

I'm called a demon seer because I can see here and communicate with demons and kill them.

So it's a case of that I was.

I died in the motorcycle in nineteen eighty six, came back.

I've always known I had something, you know, I had angelic energy within me.

But after I died and went to the other side, then I understood and found out from Michael the archangel, that what resides within me is Ariel.

She's an archangel and a demon slayer, and it was She's a member of the Legion of Light, which is Michael, Gabriel, Raphael and Ariel.

So it enables me to be able to remove a demon from great distances.

You know, I've removed demons from you know, Norway to Australia, all over the place, Alaska, Greenland.

It's a matter of I have the ability to know that when I get an email or a text message or something that like that, I can tell what's there and what isn't there, and how it found the individual and what it's doing to the individual, and then it just takes me a minute or two to remove it from that individual and clear them, and.

Just to throw it in there too.

For anybody that maybe sound maybe it seems like you're somewhat familiar.

I know that you've been on a few popular ghost shows, so there may have been a couple appearances that people may have seen you on.

Yeah, I've been on Ghost Adventures back in gosh is it twenty eighteen?

Yeah, Ghost Adventures I've done on a lot of podcasts Coast to coast several times.

And you know, I'm just all over the.

Place, and I'm going have to step it back just a little bit because I'm always absolutely fascinated with these stories where people end up seeing things on the other side, when they end up having these near death experiences, And I definitely like to dive into all of your work, but I'd like to start back at the starting point and hear what exactly you saw, what exactly you experienced when you ended up seeing this other side.

Yeah, it was kind of interesting because until I was about four and a half years old, I saw dark demons as most humans do, either a black mass or a shadow person that type of thing.

And then at about four and a half how I saw them changed and I actually see them in their true form, which is a lot nastier than you could even think of.

But I went to the other side and my grandparents were waiting for me, and my grandfather told me, he said, you know it's not your time, but we have news for you.

So Michael was there and he said, you need to understand this physical shell that you were residing in is not what you are.

And then he touched my forehead and I took on a whole different appearance.

I was about seven foot tall, twelve foot wingspan, dark hair, long, blue green eyes, and I was just I could do anything, you know, And I said, he says, this is who you truly are.

You were sent back to relive physical worldwives to learn to have compassion for mankind.

And he said, come with me, and then we walked over.

There's no distance on the other side, but it seemed like we walked over to a window and the bay window magically appeared, and he said, you know, look at those look at the world down there.

You know.

I was looking at the earth and he said, you see all those strings that are coming up here and I said yeah.

He says, the one lit up are the people who have made the soul connection, the connection to God.

The ones that are still dark are the ones that have not made that connection.

I'm thinking, okay, So I said what about Hell?

And he told me to follow him, and we went a few steps and he waved his arm and this black pit opened up and I could hear screaming and people pleading for help, and things were reaching up out of it like it looked like molasses, and there were hands reaching up out of it trying to get help.

And then he waved his arm again and it disappeared.

I'm like, alright it then, so if the one hevn't exists, so does Hell?

All right?

I get it.

And he said you have to go back.

He said, you're only here to understand who and what you are and what your mission is in this lifetime.

He said, you are a demon slayer.

He said you're one of the best of the best.

And he said you're one of us.

He said, your job is go down and help mankind by removing demons, killing demons he said, that's what you're about.

It's time that you started doing that.

And I'm like, you know, you didn't give me a manual on this, you know.

He's like, you will, I will merge you with Ariels.

I will merge you with Ariel, her soul consciousness and my physical consciousness.

So he merged us so that when I came back to my body, which was laying on the street because a woman had run a red light and hit me on my bike, And from then on I could hear what she was thinking.

I could look through her eyes and see what she sees and know what she knows.

So that's why I know that there's a demon coming years in advance.

I know who, I know its name, I know what it's about.

I know what it's going to try, and I.

Know that this is an extremely complex question and definitely debated as far as wi which books of scripture you kind of want to pull details from, But what exactly are demons?

Like I said, I know, it's extremely debated in a very complex question, but at least from your perspective, what would you describe these things as to try to set down at least a principle for people to kind of get with it.

It's not really it's not really complex.

It's actually quite simple.

You know.

Religion will tell you.

You know, there was a war between Heaven and Hell, and we don't know what start of the war.

We don't know anything about it.

But there was a war, and I can tell you that what started it.

And at the time Hell was not Hell, it was Lucifer and his followers were of the light.

They were light beings, and that most of the other light beings wanted to become physical.

They had been traveling, you know, galaxies forever, trillions of years, and they decided, you know what, we'd really like to be physical again.

We'd like to have children, you know, we'd like to know love.

And Lucifer and his followers didn't want anything to do with that.

We don't want to be They don't want to be subject to a shell.

That's what they call us.

We don't want to be subject to a shell.

We don't want to be subject to pain, growing, old, disease, none of that we do.

We're not going to do it.

So he rose up against God and there was a battle.

If you were in the physical world, it probably lasted a good week over there.

It was just a matter of a few moments.

But at the end, Lucifer was disarmed by Michael and Ariel disarmed his son, and God said, we can't, you know, you can't live among us, you know, because I know you'll you'll try it again.

So he opened up a rift into a dark realm and he put them in it.

He said, here you go, this is your kingdom.

I'm going to give you exactly what you want.

You'll never be able to take on physical form again.

And they were happy about it for you know, a couple thousand years, and then they got really upset and they wanted you know, they got pissy about the whole situation.

So now they're out for revenge.

So that's why they will attack a physical person, because each physical person contains a white light soul, and they want revenge.

And I'm assuming that this kind of this war ends up falling some point between creation and like the Genesis six idea, And it's one of those things that for whatever reason, a lot of people don't like to get into this idea, even though I feel like it's one of those things that it kind of brings an understanding of what's actually going on as far as like spiritual warfare goes and for the battle of souls as a whole.

So it's one of those things that.

Yeah, the battle actually took place in what I called no Man's Land.

It's it's a dimension in between the light and the dark, and it's a dimension where both light and dark can meet, and it's like a neutral territory.

And so that's where the battles are done.

And I do I've done plenty of battles so and they usually take place there.

If not there, then you know somewhere here on Earth.

Hold on tight, guys, we'll be right back after this brief commercial break.

Now back to the show.

And also kind of continuing on with the idea of demons as a whole.

A lot of people like to talk about this idea about them being I guess you could say the disembodied spirits of Nephelm.

Possibly, is that also part of all of this, that the other way that demons can be created is through basically the souls of Nephelm.

No, No, there are a certain set amount of angels, there are a certain set amount of demons.

Can't they can't get pregnant and have babies, and they can't take a widelight soul.

A lot of people get upset because they think, oh, you know, the devil's going to take my soul.

But a soul cannot be added to the collection of the dark ones.

It just can't happen.

I mean, you know, if you but they can hold Like if you die, right and you have a demon that's been bugging you and you die, they can and you don't assent.

They can, you know, utilize the earth bound spirit to do their dirty work for them, get into place where they cannot get into above using it.

So I've always kind of had this understanding that at least your soul.

A lot of people think that you can sell your soul to these things, but I've never really had the idea that that was possible.

I've always had the idea that you know, your soul is something that's between you and God, and a lot of people get by these things into thinking that they're selling their soul.

And that's part of the whole manipulation tactic that people can't necessarily fall for, because it's a matter of if you think your soul is sold, then you're going to go about your life pretending like you know there's no means of you getting into heaven in the first place, so in turn by that, you end up condemning yourself.

And it's not so much that you sold your soul in the first place, but rather you got tricked into it, so then you did deeds that made it so that your soul got damned.

Yeah, they're manipulators.

That's how they do it.

They look into your mind.

If a demon wants to attach itself to you, you know, they have this phase that they go through.

What they do is the creepy crawley little dudes.

They used to call them imps.

I prefer creepy crawling.

But they'll go and they'll find somebody and they'll watch them and they'll see if they're easily influenced.

They'll see if they want something, you know, what's important to them, they want out of life, things like that, and if they feel that this person is worthy, then they'll tell their boss, which is either a lesser demon, one of the younger ones, or an old demon, and then that that demon will watch them to gauge whether they're worth it.

They'll look to see if their faith is strong.

They'll look to see what's important to them.

Like their children, their husband, their animals, and they'll try to they'll utilize those against you.

They do that quite it's part of their mo they do that.

They want to isolate you, they want to instill fear in you, and they want to manipulate you, and that you know, they'll talk to you, they'll tell you you're never going to get never get loose of them.

You know, the Goddess has you know, just forsaken them and they're screwed basically.

But you know that's the thing.

You can't believe it because they're likely use car salesman.

You know.

If their lips are moving, they're lying.

I swear, I look at it.

Ain't that the truth?

And I mean, I'm assuming this is kind of where the idea of like Legion comes from.

That a lot of people will talk about this idea that a bunch of these things will kind of collect on the one person or be within one person.

It's a matter of it kind of starting with one and then a bunch kind of fluctuating over to the area, which seems to kind of follow a lot of the motif with like Poltergeist, which might kind of expand this conversation into more of like the paranormal stuff we're kind of getting get into.

But the whole idea of like Poultrgeist, that it starts off really really small and then it starts building up into this bigger and bigger thing.

It seems like maybe we're talking about the same thing or possibly something that somehow works somewhat around the same way, but it seems like it always starts off with something small and then it builds into something bigger.

Yeah, it's the worst.

One I had was the woman that had eleven of them Minner and she had them there for twenty years and I had to, you know, remove them all from her.

We got down, took usually doesn't take me very long to remove them, but there were so many, and it took me about three hours from start to finish.

In the end, there was one last one there, and I knew that I can look into their minds and I could tell it was hiding from Lucifer because it had been given a job to do and it's simp And instead of doing it, the demon said screw you and just went on as merry way.

You don't screw with Lucifer.

You just don't do that.

And I told her I said, you could go home to the light if you want.

And I had some friends with me once it's ordained minister, and the other one was a friend of mine who's a parent who's with my group Thoes and Girls Paranormal, and so I said, Jesus, come forth.

And my friends are standing there and they're freaking out because there's this huge hand.

It's so bright that they can't hardly see it.

They can't stand to look at it.

Has held his hand out to the demon, you know, And I told it, I said, if you want to go home, there you go.

And it was tempted to do that, and then all of a sudden he said, no, you're lying.

I can never go home and pulled and it pulled itself back inside of the woman.

So I was like, so be it.

I said, Lucifer, come forth, And Lucifer appeared at the end of the hallway and walked towards where I was, and Lucifer stopped in front of the woman and told the demon to come out, followed by name said you need to come out, and it refused to come out, and Lucifer said, I know you don't want me to harm the woman, so I will be back for it tonight.

So he turned and walked down the hallway and disappeared.

My friend saw, you know, this being with you know, that was totally black except the eyes were gold.

And they saw the bean was wearing like a double rested suit fedora, you know, spats.

You know, that's what they saw because that's how he wished to project himself, and my friend that's the minister.

He said.

You know what, for a split second, when you call Lucifer fourth, he says, I thought you had lost your mind, he said, And in the next second he said, I realized who and what you are and I was okay.

So uh yeah.

Also kind of continuing on with some of the other ideas that people have kind of set forth as far as demons go, A lot of people talk about this idea that demons like to kind of show themselves through bad habits, meaning that you know, demons of addiction, possibly demons of madness or whatever you want to call it, because a lot of the time, you know, people deal with like the mentally ill, they'll banish these things from them and all of a sudden they'll start getting better.

Have you kind of noticed some of these traits where certain demons will kind of show themselves in a particular way or through a certain bad habit that a person has.

Yeah, see that's the thing they're looking for.

I'm going to tell you the truth.

The demons are lazy.

They're looking for somebody that has problems with either currently or in the past, problems with addiction, abusive you know, living in an abusive situation.

Somebody that has mental illness, you know, anybody, anything and everything that they can utilize against them, they will turn it to their advantage.

And you know, especially if you've got somebody that's mentally ill, you know, and they don't know what to do with themselves, and they're on medication or they're not on medications, and they will attack.

They will attach themselves to that individual, and that they'll make them crazy.

And they have you know, they have great influence.

If you're weak minded or weak faith, you're screwed because they can manipulate you in a heart no problem.

Speaking of manipulation too, this is kind of an idea that I've been on for a while.

It seems like there's particular hard drugs that have this link to a lot of people saying that they hear like demons talking to them when they take them, like such as meth for example, is one of those.

Crack is one of those, for sure, and I think there's another handful of them.

But I'm under the belief that it could have been possible that these things are actually influenced from fallen angels or from demons.

And that's why it's a matter of people getting such a hold with these things, because when somebody has an experience with one of these drugs, and it seems like the common trope every single time is that they're hearing voices from demons, I start kind of following the chain that there has to be some type of connection with these things.

And I would definitely say that I think that it's possible they can kind of slide in through that means an opening.

But that being said that maybe they created it in the first place too.

People a lot of the people that create these drugs will do satanic over there.

I've seen it so many times.

They'll do satanic rituals when they're making the drugs, and the hopes of that that the demons will come to the drug and problems, and a lot of times they do.

I mean, it's one of those things that I feel like there's no out in it.

I mean, dead customer isn't going to make you any money.

So if you're selling these hard drugs that inevitably end up leading to death, then there has to be some other force that's pushing you in order to sell those things or to whether it's some type of contract or you think you're getting something out of it, but at the end of the day, you know, I'm going to tell everybody something you know they may not want to hear.

You're never going to get anything out of it.

And if you make contracts with demons, you're going to be the one that ends up on the raw end.

Of that deal.

Oh yeah, I've had I've had people that came to me and said, you know this woman, this woman some of the demon and put it on me, you know, a gruha something like that, And I'm like, really, but if I find one like that, it's quite fun because you get somebody like that and they'll do it for money.

They'll make a spell or whatever, do with satanic ritual some of the demon and put it on someone.

What they don't understand is the demon will do their bidding when it for as long as it suits it.

After it's after it's through playing with you, then it'll attach itself to you and make your life a living hell.

But if it hasn't gotten to that point, what I do is I take the demon and I put it onto the person who summoned it, and I tell the demon, you know, you make their life a live in hell.

See how they like it.

They never do it again.

That's what I'm saying.

You end up making a contract.

Eventually it's going to end up coming back on you.

And also just because you're already on the boat of talking about demons and people having to protect themselves from them before we get into your books, and I definitely want to make sure we have time to do that.

If anybody was trying to protect protect themselves.

I know that everybody kind of has their own ideas on different means of protection, but at least coming from somebody that deals with this stuff directly, like, what have you found seemed to be the best means of protection?

Well, really, it's like, you know, you have to invoke.

What you can do is you can invoke the name of Jesus Christ and God or whatever deity that you believe in.

You know, and you have to have absolute faith in it.

You cannot doubt that it's going to work.

But I wish I could say to you there is a full proof way of not attracting the demon, but I will be lying.

You know, there are things you can utilize, which is a crucifix with the image of Jesus, and it cannot be a abstract image.

It has to be a regular image, like in the image of a person.

The black salt that I make is the recipe was given to me by Michael and God when I started doing removals, so to protect the people that I was doing the removals for, and that all that will will war them.

Off, say at least from somebody who's relatively new coming to faith.

And I've kind of noticed that it seems to be like almost like the observer effect, for lack of better terms, that the more you come to faith, the more attack you end up having.

So when people are starting to switch over, everybody has to keep in mind that that's going to be the massive point where you receive the most spiritual attack.

That's going to be the point where they try to put the most out in your mind.

And I feel like it's always very important especially at that point to make sure that you know how to properly protect yourself from these things.

Yeah, it's people, you know, I've had people use crystals.

I'm like, crystals won't do anything, or you they amplify energy.

If you've got put bad energy puts into it's going to amplify it.

If you put good energy into it, it'll amplify that as well.

But you know, people have gotten everything from I don't know, putting tobacco under your pillow or whatever, you know to ward them off.

But I can tell you right now, if you've got one attached to you, you know, the only way you can get rid of it is either you know, you find a deliverance minister.

You know, the Catholic Church, you have to run the gambit.

You could be dead before they'll approve somebody approachs to come out and do an exorcism.

So I might as well kiss that one goodbye.

Or you or somebody like me, or you know, if you have a minister in your you know, in your church or whatever.

But they're a specialists that are exorcists for that sort of thing.

But there's a lot of misinformation about you know, what can protect you what can't protect you, who can help you, who can't help you, that sort of thing.

It's all about having faith, you know.

It's like if you're going to remove a demon, if you're going to be a deliverance minister or somebody like me, you cannot have any doubt in what you're doing, if you can do it, how to do it, and in God.

If you have doubt in any of those things, you might as well kiss it goodbye, because the demon will find it.

It reaches into your mind, it will find that doubt, and it will amplify it.

It will use it against you.

That's what they do.

So I kind of feel like it's one of those things where there's not necessarily always a set means of this is always going to protect you.

But just like you said, it's a matter of having faith in something and also having something that reminds you of your faith.

And that also being said, one thing that I've kind of noticed, at least for myself because it reminds me of faith is Epheesians six' ten through.

EIGHTEEN i purposely bought a necklace that reminds me of that BECAUSE i feel like it's one of the main things for protection that you.

Know it's IT'S i feel like one of the main foundations as far as like the philosophy goes Behind christianity that you have to keep you, know your mind, clear you have to keep truth at your.

Hip you got to use your spirit as your, sword you got to use your faith as your.

Shield and for me at, least it's a it's a great, reminder AND i feel like for a lot of listeners out there it might be a great.

Reminder and, again it's about the intention and what you put behind.

It so if wearing a, cross you have a lot of faith in, that that's one.

Thing if you find a Particular bible verse you have a lot of faith.

In maybe get something that you can carry that reminds you of.

That but it's not necessarily always about the, item, Right, yeah, Exactly it's not always necessarily about the, item but rather the intention in the faith behind.

It.

Right and so one of the THINGS i learned about being on the other, side you, know is that thought becomes reality in the dark ground as well as the light, realm and the intention behind the thought power the power to do good or the power to do.

That you, know it's all.

About that increase of our.

Reality will be right back after this brief commercial, break so stay.

Tuned now back to the, show and ALSO i want to make sure that we had some time to get into.

It of, course since we're already a half hour into the show AND i keep going off on a different tangent with.

You of, course i'd love to dive into your newest book and also the book that you said that you are currently working.

On, yeah, Okay i'm working on the newest, book WHICH i just released In, march is Called The Angel.

Primer there are over three hundred thousand warrior angels incarnated into the physical world in physical, books and there are over three billion of them walking the earth in spirit.

Form and there are seven archangels in the world today and, physical AND i know them all And i'm one of.

Them and SO i wrote a book Called The Angel.

Primer, basically it's a how.

To it's how to merge your physical consciousness with your soul, consciousness how to create weapons of, light how to protect, yourself how to help.

Others it's it's basically a tell all an instruction book for you, know incarnated.

Angels i'd love to hear more about this weapons of light concept and how exactly these are.

Created, yeah that's the, thing you, know when it used to be WHEN i first started doing fighting.

Battles you, know spiritual warfare is always go.

Ongoing they used weapons because it's what the mind can, understand used weapons of.

Light it's Like aeriel always carries two, swords both white light, swords and they're made out of white light fire and they slice can slice through a demon in a second and kill.

Them and then you have infinity.

Orbs you can create an infinity orb for a pretion to send energy to, someone to capture a demon for that.

Matter and you remember when you're a kid and you've got the big wand for blowing, bubbles the big giant, one you, know, yeah of, course and you get this, huge huge ball of.

Bubble you.

Know an infinity orb kind of looks like, that but it's a lot more substantial and once it's like The pokemon.

Stuff you throw the orbit at a demon and it encases it and takes it down into the dark.

Room or if you're trying to protect, someone you send one to them that will encompass their physical body and protect.

Them and also expanding on to that of, course the people that would have these these angelic principles within, them how would how would this person become aware of?

Themselves how would they become awakened to?

This and Also i'm assuming that there would probably be an ability to be able to to be able to tell if others are too.

Correct, yeah the thing, is angels are drawn to.

Angels so the warrior, angels a lot of people instinctively know that they're different from other, people even the people with, abilities because all warrior angels are trained by The legion Of, lights and they are all.

Warriors but each one of them has their own, abilities and you know whether they're a, facilitator whether a, communicator a, healer you, know whatever they, are and that will come out in the physical as.

WELL a lot of those traits will be in duplicated in the physical.

Body but most of them know that they're.

Different they always know that they know things before anybody else.

Does they have the ability to hear angels other.

Angels they have the ability to talk to, animals you know it's it's and to.

Heal all angels have these.

Abilities they can take a demon and do battle with it and send it back into the dark realm and it's just and other angels are drawn to.

Them the only ones that can kill a demon are arch angels because they're more.

Powerful but it's people instinctively know that they're.

Different tactos of five thousand people in the last three years come to me that are warrior.

Angels they're searching for you know why they can do these?

Things and you know how HOW i can do these?

THINGS i don't.

UNDERSTAND i feel, DIFFERENT i feel out of step with everybody.

Else and then that's WHEN i tell, THEM i, said this is because you have a warrior angel within.

You your soul belongs to a warrior.

Angel AND i give them their.

Name they have to, have you, know they have to understand the, name and then they have to do WHAT i call.

Merge and it's something that if you're not ready to do it is not going to.

Happen but once you, merge you can see through your angel's.

Eyes you can hear what they, hear see what they, see and know have the knowledge of what they.

Have and, also just to kind of expand on this a little, bit is it more of like a like a blending of souls or like consciousness within like the same vessel or is it almost kind of like the idea of like a like a guardian, angel that there's something that kind of exists around, you but they're not necessarily like within the same vessel as.

You now there it's Like ariel is with.

Me you.

Know it's like she has one foot on the other side and one foot here in the physical world with.

Me that's WHY i can blink and, starts AND i can see through her, eyes see what she's, seeing hear what she's, hearing and so it's we're one but.

Separate people say they see physical manifestations when she comes.

Forward they see wings coming out of my, shoulders my eyes turn, white my voice and face, changes and those are all the physical manifestations of.

Her and you, KNOW i don't pay no attention to it Because i'm just used to.

It that people get freaked.

Out when you're in those.

Experiences are you kind of like like taking like a side seat to this thing taking control of?

You we share the, Body we share the physical.

Body when she comes, forward my consciousness goes to the back and she comes.

Forward and once she comes, forward then the demons know they're, screwed you, know because demons don't look any farther than the.

Surface like most, people most people judge you by the external.

Stuff they don't look any deeper than.

That and so that's one of the downfalls of the demons is they never look below the.

Surface so when she comes, forward they know they're screwed and because they fear.

HER i would love to hear about some of your, experiences you, know actually vanquishing some of these.

THINGS i know you shared at least one of them in the, beginning But i'd love to hear some of your most memorable.

Stories you have to get my, Book Dark.

Encounters it's the worst of the.

Worst well you got at least, share hopefully at least one or two with the, listeners if that's.

Okay.

Okay so we had for a long, time about five or six, years there was there was there was a lot of demons that were nosing around in people THAT i, knew people THAT i was attached, to AND i HAD i Told, ARIEL i, said we have investigate because why are all of a sudden are these people having?

Problems and so what it was Was lucifer's son was seeking revenge On, ariel and so he was, like you, know sending out these demons to interfere with the people THAT i know that are connected with, me that are close to.

Me AND i told, HIM i, said, listen you, Know i'll kick your, BUTT i, said but we'll do it on my.

Time so eight eighteen eighteen we decided on the.

Battle so he had plenty of followers and we went to the no man's land and the battle.

Began it's like some it looked like something you'd see out of a you, know swords and shields and stuff like.

That people riding on, horses you, know doing, battle and that's basically what it looked.

Like and it took a matter OF i think the entire battle lasted twenty minutes in the physical, world but on the other side it was just a couple of.

Minutes but once it was, ended THEN i Had lucifer's.

Son but before you, know before we even got started with the, Battle lucifer came to me and, said you, KNOW i did not sanction.

THIS i do not have the back of my.

Son this is not something THAT i want to have.

Happen he, said he's on his.

Own do with him what you.

Will so in the, End ario had him by the, throat and she told, him bring your people, back bring your followers.

Back we bring them back from the.

Earth so he was bringing them, back and he, said you have to promise not to kill.

Me And ariel, SAID i, promise and then he still wasn't bringing them all.

Back So gabriel went And gabriel And raphael went after the rest of.

Them AND i told, HIM i said, YOU i, said here Is god's judgment your.

Death and Then ariel sliced his throat and he turned into nothing but molecules that were spread among the.

Stars but he before he before he, died he, said you, PROMISED i, SAID i, SAID i didn't TELL i didn't promise not to kill.

YOU i just SAID i, promised and so he was.

Gone it was not.

Happy but it's Like lucifer, SAID i did not you, KNOW i did not sanction.

This this is not something THAT i wanted have.

Happened because he has a Lot lucifer does have a lot of respect for The, legion and some of that is because they know that he knows that they could kill him in a, heartbeat no.

Problem well that.

Thought we'll be right back after this brief commercial, break and now back to that deep conversation You, GRAVE i would love to dive a little bit more into The legion Of light for anybody that may not be familiar with what that is, exactly because you have brought it up a couple of.

TIMES i want you let him know a little bit about what that is.

Exactly, okay before between the Before, lucifer you, know try to Overthrow.

God god knew that it was a matter of, when not If lucifer pulled, something so he created The legion Of.

Light the best of the, Best, Michael, Gabriel raphael And, ariel and he's he put them over all the Other, archangels all the Other, angels and they have basically the last, say it'd be equal to A Navy Seal Elite Navy sneel steal.

Team you.

Know they're the best of the.

Best they can they never.

Lose so they in turn trained The Warrior, angels And michael's in charge of The Heavenly, realm and he's in charge of The, archangels And ariel is in charge of training The Warrior, angels And gabriel And raphael do a little bit of, everything but they all they all work as a team.

Together so even Though ariel is in this side of the you, know here in this.

Realm he's also in that, realm but they're always.

There at twenty four to, seven ever SINCE i can, remember they've always been.

There and part of that is Because ariel And michael are soulmates and they have children that they have from before when they had physical world lives and that, was you, know trillions of years.

Ago and also kind of expanding on this angel concept.

TOO i know a lot of people have this different impression on What lucifer looks like or How lucifer presents, himself at least from your, experiences how does he tend to present Himself BECAUSE i tend to be kind of under the idea that he's not this dark thing that a lot of people like to, imagine but he rather likes to portray himself as this, handsome, elegant deviant being so that people will tend to want to follow, him because of course you're going to follow a handsome.

Face, Well lucifer doesn't care about.

THAT i, mean we've talked many.

TIMES i have a friend In scotland who has the Archangel haino within, him And hano And lucifer were friends best friends before the, war and he holds no grudges against.

Him he respects him for standing up for what he believed, in and so he'll go to see.

Him lucifer will stop by and see handle from time to, time and my friend will Say elle was here, again AND i really, said, yeah he, SAYS i told him to bugger.

Off he.

Said one time he stopped, by he, said you know WHAT i asked, Him he, SAYS i asked him what he thought Of my friend calls me Anti.

Ariel SO i asked him what he thought of Anti ariel and he.

Said lucifer's response was respect the assassin.

Straight to the.

Point, yeah oh.

Yeah but he's he's not as bad as everyone portrays.

Him but he's not good.

EITHER i, mean he has the respect for The legion And god And, jesus but he's still going to try to pull crap because that's the way he.

Is but he doesn't dirty his hands with a lot of.

Things you, know he has the old demons who are the, smartest most intelligent ones of all of.

Them and you, know those you'll rarely find in the physical world because we're not worth the time and effort for.

Them it's the younger, demons the lesser demons that you'll find in the physical.

World but again they have to, control they have to work under the old, demons but they're just Tu sipher can be very charismatic if he wants to, be and most people will see.

Him if he wants to put fear into, somebody they'll see, him you, know as.

What he'll reach into their mind and pull out their image of what they think he should look, like and then he'll amplify one hundred.

Fold but he really really looks just like a lot like the.

Archangels he's like seven feet, tall twelve foot, wingspan but that's as far as the similarities.

Go he's shades of gray black.

Chark but the eyes are what does.

It they have almost no facial features.

Whatsoever all you see is the.

Eyes The Old demons And lucifer have golden, eyes and if you look into the, eyes there's every, evil every atrocity you could ever think, of and way beyond.

You if you look in their, eyes you will have nightmares for the rest of your.

Life that's that's how it.

Is they may not look like that much as an overall, effect but don't look into the eyes because you'll be.

Sorry i've HAD i have the ability to let people see WHAT i see through my, eyes and the three people that have never want to do it.

AGAIN i can only.

Imagine and also just to kind of just a weird train of thought, Here lucifer obviously knowing that no matter, what at the end he is inevitably going to.

Lose kind of a deep, question but, like why is the reason that he carries on what he's trying trying to.

Do is it a matter of enjoyment for?

Him is it a matter of just trying to purposely just throw a wrench in even though they know that the machine's going to carry?

On like why does he do what he does if he knows he's going to lose in the.

End, yeah it's all about revenge and cause as much problems as he possibly.

Can you, know it keeps the Heavenly realm.

Busy and he likes to he likes to, Miss he likes to set the cat among the, pigeons so to.

Speak he will he'll have a diversion like some old demons or whatever we'll do with.

Diversions in the, meantime he's over influencing the pope or you, know the president or whatever he wants to.

Do you, know that's how he, works and he's all about it's all psychological for.

Him it's all about creating as much dabbing damage as he can and with the least possible.

FUSS i, mean in the back of his, mind does he think that there might be a chance that he might win or is it simply a matter of he's just enjoying the time that he has while he has.

It, no he always thinks he's going to.

WIN i mean he always he always thinks there's that slim little chance that he could possibly uchery in there.

Somewhere, say if he ever starts getting to that, point what.

Happens god sends a great flood and just passes, right passes everything right back on, again restart it just, no it just.

You, know if it comes to, that you know the you, Know god will just have The legion take him.

Out i'm surprised that he hasn't, already unless it's a matter of this is kind of a weird thing to think.

About but there can only be growth if there's some form of struggle that leads to that.

Growth So i'm assuming that it's a matter of he.

Wants god wants to see his people, grow so he has to give them struggle in the.

Process AND i actually heard this this weird verse, recently AND i Know i'm gonna paraphrase it extremely, wrong But i'm gonna try my best to do.

It and it's talking about this idea about the about a person who's trying to purify, silver and they talk about this whole concept That god looks at you just like a person would be trying to purify, silver where he holds it over the flame for as long as he, can and he keeps a close eye on, it and the second that he can see himself in it is when he has to remove.

It and if he doesn't remove it at that exact, second then it'll get.

Tarnished but he keeps it under the flame till that exact moment because he knows it's what you can.

Handle AND i don't know that that's kind of spoken true to, me AND i think that that's one of those things that everybody wants to know why there's evil in the, World but it's because in order to reach that point of, purity you have to be put under a flame for a.

While, yeah and the thing, is you, know there's there's the balance between good and, evil and people don't understand.

That demon's, evolve angels.

Evolve it's all about burning and.

Growing and as much of a pain in the butt As lucifer, is you, know he does learn and there are times when he will bypass people that that are protected the by the legion Of.

Light he wondn't even try, to you, know do anything to them because he knows in the end if he messages with, him it's going to come back on.

Him so it's a matter of trying to get your revenge while trying to hide in the.

Shadows it's kind of like that, whole for lack of better, term the Whole Charles manson concept that he never wants to have blood on his, hands but he likes to whisper in the years of others to try to get them to do his bidding for.

Him oh, yeah first TIME i saw a demon whisper in an, EAR i was like seven years.

OLD i saw how Because michael SAID i, WANT i want you to watch WHEN i was four and a, half and it changed HOW i saw demons because he, says you're seeing them as we see them as.

Angels he, said you're seeing them in their true.

Form he, SAYS i want you to watch.

THEM i want you to learn about.

THEM i want you to see how they, work see what they.

Do so through up until the TIME i was, like you, know fifteen, SIXTEEN i did, that he, SAYS i want you.

TO i want you to learn because you're going to need it later in.

Life and you, know when you're a, kid you just, think, oh, okay it's a.

Game but, YEAH i was seven WHEN i saw one whispering in my mother's.

Ear SO i was, like, yeah.

OKAY i talked to my grandmother about, it who raised me for the first five years of my.

Life and he, says because she's easily, influenced she has mental.

Illness And i'm, like.

Okay so that made me watch them even more to learn even more about.

Them inqureise of all.

Reality we're returned after this quick commercial, break and we are, back so let's hop right.

In so by the TIME i had my first demonic encounter WHEN i was, eighteen it WAS i knew what to do AND i knew what was going.

On so it's JUST i was in the military and we've got a call a young man had not reported for duty in three, days and so they were going to go up and open up his.

Barracks his room in the.

Barracks of, course they wanted you, know as the, nurse you, know they wanted us to go up there just in case he was.

Dad you, know we get to take the body, away Because i'm sure that's what they.

Got so we get in there AND i go in the.

Room the sky's like in a fetal position against a, wall AND i HEAR i hear a, sound and there's this demon up in the corner of the ceiling watching.

Him i'm, like, shit you got to get this guy out of.

Here the guy that the other tack that was with.

Me you, know his, mom his grandmother was a voodoo, priests so she knew all about WHAT i could do and.

Stuff SO i told, HIM i, SAID i looked at.

HIM i, said we've got to get him out of here.

Now so we got him.

Out he was still.

Breathing we got him.

Out we got him back to the.

HOSPITAL i went out to get the stuff to start AN iv and WHEN i came back, in the demon was leaning over, him trying to pull the life force from, him AND, i you, know AND I and that's the first Time ariel came forward and she, said, demon this one belongs to.

Us and whatever it saw in her in my, face it left in a, hurry and SO i STARTED.

IVY i saw him before he got out of the.

Military somebody had SLIPPED pcp in a.

Soda he was a chaplain's.

Assistant he wouldn't have hurt, apply but somebody PUT pcp in his soda at a, party so he was out of it for three or four.

Days PCP's a weird one for anybody that may not be familiar with what it's supposed to.

Do and Again i'm speaking from a point of never doing it, myself but rather people explaining exactly what.

Happens it's almost like it pulls away that voice in your head that tells you not to do something or to do, something and instead you rather just run on like this primitive.

Instinct SO i, mean talk about a perfect state in order for something to whisper in your ear and get you to do things is when you already had that filter gone of what you should or shouldn't.

Do, YEAH i saw him before he, left AND i went into his.

Room he, said you, KNOW i had the weirdest, dream he, SAID i dropt that the demon was trying to take my, soul and that a, warrior a woman came and saved.

Me i'm saying.

THING i just, Said, oh, well you, know There's god's way of telling you he's got your.

BACK i left it at.

That that's a good way to end, it at, least not tell him too many, details but at least let him kind of go on with his life at, least you.

Know, yeah it's LIKE i can tell, YOU i can give you the, sausage BUT i just Mean i'm going to tell you how to make.

It and speaking of that of course, TOO i wanted to make sure that we had a little bit of time at least to talk about some of your upcoming, projects be.

IT i know that you're going out and you're going to be doing a new, investigation and you're also working on a new book, Also so for a little bit of time we have, Left i'd love to hear a little bit more about what you got going on in the.

Future, YEAH i.

Have i'm working on my.

BIO i, know strange person THAT i, am but people have been after me for years to write my biography and you, know all the information That i've acquired over the.

Years So i'm working on.

THAT i have all of the information in the.

Document i'm just, waiting you.

Know i'm going back through it to get the grammar and everything, correct to make sure it flows.

Correct but it'll be out before winter.

Hits AND i have an investigation coming out at The Samuel Miller manor In, Columbia.

Pennsylvania they're having a big event On october, eleventh And i'm going to give a lecture.

THERE i call it Laughingly demons one oh, one And i'm going to give the.

Lecture i'm going to do the walk through of the location and the paranormal.

Investigation it'll be on.

YouTube they have a YouTube channel called My Haunted, manor so you'll be able to see it.

There and of Course i'm assuming that if people go and check out your website of your page or anything like, that they might be able to get updates on when exactly your book is getting released, specifically and also the YouTube channel and, everything they'll be able to catch this on, right.

Yep they'll be able to all that will be on.

There i'm waiting for the link to, it which they said they'd have for me BEFORE i left For.

PENNSYLVANIA i hope so, sorry.

And just out of curiosity, too just BECAUSE i know that it's kind of become a thing with a lot of events.

Recently do you know if this is going to be live streamed or if it's just going to be recorded and then put up post.

Afterwards it's.

Both, yeah they said it's going to be.

Both awesome they Have, yeah they have one out Of.

England this company has one out Of england Called My Haunted, mansion and then this one's at My Hunted, manor and then they're going to their freedom another one as.

Well so it should be interesting to see to talk.

About like they're talking about haunted locations In england AND i removed the demons from the most haunted location In, england The.

Cage you're back in eighteen twenty, eighteen and there's a lot of stuff coming.

UP i guess maybe as somewhat of a closer story before we get into the words of.

WISDOM i would absolutely love to hear that story if you're willing to share, it about how you remove the demon from the.

Cage oh, yeah it's funny because my son AND i went To england and in twenty seventeen and we were there AND i got a message from a friend of mine lives In, florida and she, says she, said give me a.

Call i'm, LIKE i.

Can't i'm in THE, uk you, Know i'm staying at at The hilton out here In Greenwich.

Village and she's, like, oh well maybe you can help this.

Woman And i'm, like, OKAY i never get a.

Holiday it's a busman's, holiday it's never really a really.

Holiday So i'm, like, okay you, know send me the information And i'll.

See so she sent me the link to Her facebook page and for a place called The.

Cage and SO i sent a message to her and she, SAYS i usually don't answer messages like, this she, says but something compelled me to.

Answer AND i, said, well just send me a picture of the.

Location AND i, Said i'll do.

It So i'm down working out on the treadmill and the location pops up so the.

Picture SO i looked at the, LOCATION i saw what was.

There there Were this used to be a medieval women's prison for, witches so the witches were hung.

Locally tumultuous, history for, sure.

Yeah and so it was a very small, place but it looked you, know when you saw it on on the picture and, stuff it looked.

Bigger but it's very.

Small but she, said you, KNOW i got a call from the woman and she that owns, it and she Said vanessa was her.

Name she, says, Look i've got An american psyche coming in tomorrow morning and this has to be you, know the stuff has to be.

Removed she, Said Chris fleming's a coming And i'm, like.

Okay she says he doesn't deal with dark.

ONES i said most of them, DON'T i, said so don't worry about.

IT i, Said i'll remove it While i'm on the treadmill and then it'll be fine For chris when he shows up.

Tomorrow SO i got a message from her the next, day late in the, morning and she, said you, know he came and there was nothing dark.

Here i'm, like, YEAH i, KNOW i do good, work come, On but they.

WERE i could see them coming out of the, walls coming out of the, ceiling coming out of the.

Basement it was just out of the.

Ground they were just.

Everywhere and there were so many dark portals that were opened behind the location inside the.

Location the woman got to the point she bought the location and she Couldn't she got to the point where she couldn't live in it anymore because of all the.

Activity BUT i cleared it out and then she Was then she was foolish enough to let you know she was booking it out for paranormal.

Investigations, well she let somebody come in and use An oluigia board in, it and it brought The it opened the door to bring the demons.

Back so then WHEN i came back the next year to visit my, FRIENDS i went to the location and removed them at that.

Time that's one of those things that people always forget is with The ouiji, board you, know you don't know who's answering on the other.

Side so everybody thinks it's a great, Idea but just because it's made by board game by board game, company doesn't mean it's a board.

Game.

Yeah and the thing thing, is, though it's like any, tool it's all about what is being used For the board itself by on its own is.

Nothing but if you use it to contact a negative, entity then it's a whole other.

Situation and once you open that, door you got to make sure you close, it because there's a lot of people that won't ever end up closing that door because again they don't know how to use the board properly other than starting the initial contact in the first.

Place, well it's like doing a paranormal.

Investigation and anytime you, scry anytime you do AN, evp anytime you do an, investigation anytime you do a, reading you open a, doorway you have to ask For god's blessing on it and then to close the door afterwards.

TOO i can't tell you how many thousands of portals are.

Closed and, theoretically if somebody possibly was somewhat in your area and they possibly were seeking some, help do you offer help for people that contact?

You?

Oh, yeah, yeah they contact me through my, website which Is Mystic connections dot.

Org you send me a Message i'll get and, NO i do not charge for demonic.

REMOVAL i don't do that because That's god's.

Work BUT i do do intuitive readings and things like, that you KNOW i, do AND i do sell my black salt as.

Well hold on, site, guys this is our last, break so stay tuned and we are back to the.

Show let's hop right in and also.

Too BEFORE i let you, go of, COURSE i like to leave the listeners with some words of.

Wisdom so if there's any words of wisdom you might want to bestowing the listeners, today what might?

Be, yeah.

Okay so one of the biggest things that bothers me is when people.

Provoke people do an, investigation they will, provoke, LIKE i, mean if you already know there's something negative, there what the heck is wrong with?

You why would you provoke something you can't, see you can't, feel you can't touch, it and you can't.

Hear that can cure your.

BUTT i, mean, really just don't do.

It and if you're on an investigation or if you're in a location and you see something, dark do not acknowledge.

It to acknowledge it is to make it see.

You you do not want it to see, you because if it sees, you you'll bi of interest to, it and it will follow, you and it may attach to you and make your life live in.

Hell do not acknowledge.

It they'll, say, Hey, joe look WHAT i saw up That because literally it's like it's like you're going down In New York city and it's rush hour and you're the idiot going against the grain and everybody else is flowing in one direction and you're going against the.

Flow that's the way for a.

Demon if you say, something it sees the person going against the, flow.

And of course it's going to take out and want to attach itself to.

It for anybody that didn't happen to catch.

The ye but oh yeah it.

Will it will do more than.

That AND i always like to ask, authors of, course for two.

Things one if there is a place that people could possibly get signed copies of your.

Books and ALSO i always ask what is the best place to get your books BECAUSE i know some people have a preference if they get it off of a particular website or off Of.

Amazon so what is your preferred way for people to get your?

Books and also do you offer signed?

Copies, yeah the thing is that you can get my you can get my books online or if you want to sign, copy then you just send me a.

Message AND i need to have you know your name and everything like, that but just send me a message to, say, Hey i'd like to sign copy of this or that one or, whatever and Then i'll send you the cost for, it which is no more than the book.

ITSELF i don't charge to sign, it SO i just sign it and send.

It, WELL i definitely only appreciate you making the time to come on today and giving a bit of an update since last.

Time you're on the show, again since it's been so.

Long, again thank you for shining the light on a lot of this stuff for a lot of the, listeners and hopefully if there's somebody out there that's, struggling whether it's you, know with some type of demonic attachment or coming to terms with something, else that they might be having a calling to a higher, Power i'm glad you were able to shine a light on that for the.

Listeners i'm glad to if anyone would like to get in touch with me for any reason, whatsoever you guys can do so through, email which is increase of our reality podcast at outlook dot, com or through social Media instagram And facebook are the two That i'm the most active on where you guys can also get a hold of me through the submission form which is up at the top of the link.

Tree and the last way you guys can get ahold of me is through calling or Texting The Bizarre Reality hotline twenty four to, seven and that number is three, one, three, three, six four one five five, One and every single thing THAT i mentioned is all available in the show, description including that hotline number if you happen to miss.

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