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How we ever, start to understand.

This reality we live in?

Must we question everything?

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Please welcome back to the show for a long awaited return Don Schneider, how's it going today, Welcome back to the show.

Hi Shane, Hi everyone.

I'm glad to be back.

Been a couple of times.

I was gonna say, I think this is your third return now, if I'm not mistaken, maybe even fourth.

But it's been probably at least like six eight months that you've been on, so definitely have to get a bit of a recap on what's been going on.

Well, yeah, definitely.

Yeah, lots of transpire since I talked to you last NIME and I lost condat off.

It's the third or fourth time, but yeah, it's glad to be back.

We wanted to talk about whatever the subject matter that intrigues your audience, any of the people that are interested in the subject matter that I probably right now am involved in and have been in for going on since nineteen seventy eight.

So yeah, it's been approaching forty years that I've been involved in the bigfoot subject sasquatch, cryptid subject whatever you want to call it, and still doing it after all those years, Still involved with people that I do co research with and have been enjoying it.

Really it's fun with the right people or even by yourself with the constant reminder that as much as you tell people that are interested in it, it's still it's.

Uh, it's not a cake walk.

I tell people it's buggy.

It's why it's nasty.

You're gonna sweat a lot, you're gonna be thirsty, you're gonna bring food.

I say, as you're gonna maybe get tired of carrying your backpack.

I said, there's all it's I said, it's not a cakewalk.

It's not glamorous.

And only the people that are really serious, Uh, I'll go with or they'll go with me.

And uh, we usually keep the teams down to uh generally three three people are less.

But I've been known to have two other people in our groups and I have five people there.

Usually with five people, we split into two groups and we have you know.

That way we don't have a crowd of people bushwhack and are going through a forested area.

Uh, just just creating a ruckus.

I mean, I don't go ninja.

I just talk talking to you right now.

And that's how we do our excursions.

They know we're here, they hear us.

So when you try to be sneaky and try to creep around, that's where the distrust comes in, and I've seen like all things go quiet and disappear when I've been with people that try to do that, And I just say, when you're being yourself and you're walking in a lot of times, if they're watching you, which they generally are most of the time, they make the determination you're not a threat.

You're relaxed, you're talking, you're being normal.

But go in and try to act like you're prior to Seal Team six and you're going in, you're going to have a difficulty giving in any You might get some vocalizations, but maybe that's all you're going to get.

So and so that's what I've been the methodology, if you want to call it methodology, That's what I do when I go out and do research.

I think it's cool how much it's changed since just even since you know, I've been doing the podcast and doing Squatch and everything myself that everybody when I started, it was all about trying to be stealthy, trying to sneak in, trying to make it so that they're not alerted that you're there.

And now it seems like everybody's moved into this point where they're basically like yeah, we set up a campfire, we start making hot dogs, we hang out, and then they start coming into us.

And the other cool part is everybody used to do big groups, and I used to always say, like three feels like it's like the perfect number.

So it's really cool that everybody's starting to stick to Like the most that I usually hear is people do three to five in groups going out.

Sometimes they'll have two groups that go out at a time, and then there's usually about two to three people that are at base camp.

So for the most part, you know, you may have a bigger group, but everybody's you know, splitting into three five That seems to be the average.

So it's really cool that I feel like we're really starting to get to a point with this research where we're really starting to figure out the best means and tactics of doing things, especially considering that, you know, this has been an ongoing thing that people have been researching since sixties, you know, like seriously like writing books and researching and not just you know, talking about it, like from the aspect of living amongst this type of stuff.

But it's kind of cool that we're getting to a point now where everybody's starting to talk, so we can actually start putting this information together and figure out the best tactics to actually having some luck when you go out and go squatching.

Yes, I found that some of the most serious researchers, which are probably you know, less than one percent of all the researchers if you want to name all the groups an organization, which number into the hundreds, there's a handful of researchers that have their own if you want to say, groups, or their own members to their group.

And usually they do go out in smaller numbers and if they're you know, I've been invited to these squat shouts as they call them out in the Southeast, have been invited to squat s outs in which could be seventy to one hundred and fifty people, and.

So good luck with anything with that.

Like what happens is the people with the success that do to go to these squat shots, they go if Bigfoot is watching all this noise, music, people eating having a good time, which no doubt they I believe they do, because they watched me with just like my son at a camp out and gave us some interesting you know.

But if you have seventy people they're gonna post up quite a distance away and just observe everything.

And I occasionally hear about it.

In these type of gatherings where there's a lot of people that are enthusiasts or researchers all get together.

There's number of fifty, could be up to one hundred of them.

There will always be someone that'll say, I'm going to find a spot where I could observe everybody at this big gathering and pick a go see where pretend on Bigfoot?

And where would I pick a spot where I could have a complete view of this event, And where is a perfect place to go post up to see It might be one hundred yards away or fifty yards away.

And those people the o they're the outliers.

They'll go that do that, and they'll end up having activity where rocks are thrown at them, or they'll get like a warning, look like hey we got a human here, and they'll take off and they are crashing through the woods away from them.

I've heard a few stories of people that have set up the outside tents, like just outside of the campsite, pushed away from people, and they'll get stuff like tent rustling at night and stuff like that, because they'll come up and they'll come to check out the bigger group, but they'll be in the process of them walking up, so they end up getting the sasquatches walking past to investigate later at night, Like that's the spot to go.

Man.

It's usually when yeah, when you close down, you know you're done for the evening, you decide can be get in my tent or van or whatever, h and everything goes down to quiet those members of that group, the family union, they'll come down and yeah, they'll go through your campground.

You know they're going everybody's usually tend to one in in the morning, everybody's you know, called in a night.

They'll come down and they'll they'll investigate all everything, the coolers, they'll see your equipment, anything that they that they smell that they seem to like, they'll go mess with it to even going up to walking around people's tents.

And I think they know the difference between somebody snoring and somebody who's awake.

I think they can tell.

I can tell it with you know, I've been married forty years.

I know if I my wife isn't slightly snoring and I hear total silence, silence, I will like check her out and see is she all right or is she awake?

And so I can tell when I go out with a group of people and we're all in our tents, I can tell people are sleeping or if they're awake, you hear them rustling.

And that was a situation I ran into when I was in Wisconsin.

There was five of us, and at that point I had never been out with more than two maybe one other person or two other people at a time, So my groups were like one other person other than me, or there might be two or three other people.

So when I went to this event, there was me, Ricky, Dave, Mitch, and Ran.

So there was five of us.

Yeah, Mitch, yeah, Randy, Dave, Ricardo on me.

Yeah, there's five of us, and we all had our own tents and we didn't hear anything during the day.

We found structure.

I saw things on fluid at you know, at dusk, when things started getting dark, I started seeing things on thermal, just dark patches among the foliage and the tree line next to wh we're camping, stuff like that, which I sort of expected.

But then when things got quiet and everybody went to their individual tent, shut the tent, shut the tent to her, and everybody went to sleep.

That's when activity seemed to always start.

And I came to the conclusion the adult, whether you want to call it the female alpha or the male alpha, whatever, whoever's in charge of these group of what I call adolescents bigfoot or general Bigfoot.

It seemed like one came in and at least one could have been more than one came in and checked every one of our tents out, all five of our tents, and we got up there following morning.

I had a story, My friend Dave had a story.

Everybody was like, you know, is the one that was on next to your tent scratching?

Was he over by my tent?

You know, just weird stuff like that, and you're going.

And then one morning, another morning they apparently had been in camp at night in the morning at about quarter to five four thirty, started getting light out, and we heard something outside the perimeter of where we were camping.

I didn't hear it.

I heard the tree breaks, like something was walking in or moving around and busting saplings over with both of its hands.

Hands is when I mean saplings.

These are six seven eight nine foot tall little pine trees and they're breaking them over and uh, it was stopping.

I heard the stopping and the thumping.

It sounded like it's either beating on its chest or stomping on the ground or actually pummeling the ground with their fists.

And then I heard the breaking and the guys when I woke up to that, I listened to the other guy's account who woke up before I did, and they go, no, you miss the other part, And I go, what other part?

When it came in it was roaring, and I go roaring because, yeah, roaring like a like a lion, And I go, I missed it because I was so tired.

I was like, I didn't catch it because the night before I got interrupted at about three thirty four o'clock in the morning.

It was probably earlier, and they probably closer to two thirty three o'clock in the morning.

I got interrupted in the middle of the night with a creature walking up to my tent and placing pushing through the mesh through my through the nylon tenting and with its hand and my back was to the rear of the tent.

My back I was laying on my right shoulder with my back against the tent and it placed its hand it felt like a hand in the middle of my back between my shoulder blades, push on me and it rolled me over around my stomach and my drop dropped.

Yeah, I was like, I wasn't scared.

I was like surprised at the boldness.

But I had three, maybe four shopping bags of paper bags because this was back in this is a few years ago.

But I got the paper bags.

I didn't want to deal with plastic.

I came out there and I had a little mountain tent which barely has the footprint of one It's big enough for one person.

So when I'm laying there, I had my back against the tent, I could just like reach forward a little and touch the front of the tent.

And I'm facing the front of the tent, and I heard the thing walk up, just tall grass.

It just you could hear it walk just like a perton like you or I would walk.

But here, Kissley walk up.

I have four grocery bags on the back of my tent line.

I had one with I think some bread and coffee and sugar, and then I had another one with I think fruit or whatever in it.

So I'm thinking to myself later, Ah, you should have put all that away.

That was a bear.

It was untouched.

None of the bags were messed with.

You know you could tell when bags are being moop paper bags.

None of the bags were messed with.

And then I got pushed over, and I'm thinking, that was no bear snout, and why didn't it take any of the fruit I had, sugar, I had all the stuff bears usually dig into and tear up or eat.

And I thought later on, when I told the guys about it, they said, well, what did you do right before that happened?

Did you were like sleeping or what happened?

Were you sleeping?

And I go, no, I sometimes I got to get up once or twice a night to urinate, so not wanting to walk out into the black totally.

It was overcast too, so you couldn't see your hand in front of your face.

So I had developed a plan for that.

I always bring like a big like gatorade bottle or a Mason jar.

You know what's the best for peeing while you're camping in the tent?

Those Arizona, the big jugs of Arizona.

Just a random thought.

Those things are like too perfect because they got the wider top and they have a good amount that they can hold.

Fantastic.

Yeah.

Also, I learned they don't make the big mouth gatoraides anymore.

I remember they used to make the big mouth Gator aids and you can Actually it was a lot easier to aim.

So that's why you got to use the Arizona jugs.

They still got the wide mouth, so it's perfect.

You ain't got no splash or mess.

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Well, I bought a thing from a camp store and it's a big red bottle and it's for both women and men, and it fits perfectly.

It's made strictly for camping.

So if you don't want to get out of your tent, or you live in an RV that doesn't have a bathroom, you know, you can use this bottle.

But the bottle will fit.

I bought it like a couple of years ago, but I didn't have it with me in Wisconsin, so I'm what I did is I had I had one of those inflatable led lights.

You blow them up and they look like a can, probably no bigger than a can.

Of coffee can.

Yeah, and it has led lights on the bottom of it in a circle, and you inflate it, you blow it up.

And I had that hanging from the in the corner of my tent, and so I had it do my duty.

I had to go to the bathroom, so I just reached over, sat up, turned the light on, and then grabbed.

The the gatory bottle and I filled it up as much as I could, put the cap on it, set it down, reached over, shut the light off, laid down on my right shoulder.

So one of the guys asked me what I was doing before.

I said I was doing this, and they say, well, after you, you know, put the lid on the bottle and then took the light out.

And how long after you laid down on your right shoulder did this happened?

I said, like ten, not even ten seconds.

So that gave me the impression this singing had been watching all the tents and probably been walking around, and all of a sudden they see this little tent.

And it was funny because all the guys commented at it about my tent.

They're going, oh, the Bigfoot probably thought you were a kid because you had the small, little Winbian tent.

Everybody else had three four man tents, and they just and they said, hey, probably picked on you because they thought, oh yeah, that little tat the guy's not a threat.

And I'm not a threat anyhow.

I'm not aggressive toward Bigfoot, not unless my life, say at risk, then of course I'll try to serve that, you know, use you know, extreme you know violence of you know, to live, you know, to ensure that I live.

But seems like the best bet you have when you come up to one of those encounters.

And what I've heard from at least one other story is the whole thing.

You got to try to get him eat some of your chewing tobacco, because then at least you can get him to stagger for a second you can run because if you take a shot at these things most of the time and so it doesn't work that well for you.

So no, I got to ge him to eat some chewing tobacco if it was an imminent danger.

And I was worried about you know, they actually were trying to get a hold of me to do some damage, tear me apart.

Whatever I've heard where they pitched people head off.

All the stories from a lot of various people that a guy that got his his head pinched off in southern Colorado when he was I think honeying Elk.

I had never heard that story before.

Yeah, Kumbo Baker talks about it, and I remember when this happened.

I was probably it was at the time.

I think it was in the eighties, and it was when I was living in New Mexico.

And you just go h from Santa Fe or I should say, uh, that north eastern part of the state.

Uh, you cross into Colorado and you're in San Juan Valley in one part, and then on the farther western part of the southern Colorado you've got the Cochise Grasslands, which are beautiful, but you've got the uh San Juan Valley, which is part of the Southern Rockies.

That area is known for disappearances and strange crap it's going on.

It's very similar to things going on in that I'm trying to think of the triangle they have out in the southeast or yeah, would be in the east the uh.

Was it Bridgewater.

It's it's a Bridgewater triangle, I think it is.

It's where they have insidents of little people UFOs.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and stuff like that.

Specifically, it's a near yeah yeah, Bridgewater Triangle.

Yeah, if that's we're talking about, like New England Triangle.

Yeah, it's right, it's in I think it involved.

It's like part of Virginia North or South Carolina.

It's it's sort of in that area it encompasses.

It might even be eastern Ohio.

I'm not sure, but I've been I've been through it, I've driven passed it.

Maybe not through, but I think it is a bridge rudder.

Just for the sake of bringing it up if you want to see it, I got it up on spring just to see if this is the one you're talking about.

Is this the one right here?

Looks like it's Ah.

Yes, I believe that's it.

Yeah.

I mean there's so many.

There's also the Alaskan Triangle, the Bermuda Triangle.

Yeah, like Michigan triangles.

Another one.

Yeah, that one's near Massachusetts if you're talking about Bridgewater.

But yeah, that one's like was in Texas.

Now.

Uh, I don't know what they need.

But if it's like a Cryptid triangle, wasn't it.

The dog Man Triangle that was Uh, that's the one that they're trying to token right.

Uh, yeah, there was.

Yeah, there's one in Texas.

I believe that's along uh the uh ah, it's uh, it's a series of trees that come down from I believe that goes all the way up even into Oklahoma.

But it's uh, it's an old forested area.

Uh.

I'm trying to think of the name of it, but it's uh, they've renamed it.

It's it's a triangle of occurrences of cryptids and all these other things that occur.

Uh.

Now, I have to obviously state that some of this stuff, the stories go back hundreds of years, so with the repeatability of all these encounters still occurring.

Uh yeah, there's also so many triangles.

I think some are there's a false equivalency compared to the actual triangle.

I think it started with uh Richard Burlett's story the Bermuda Triangle, and then everybody started finding I mean, there are some substantially i'd say provable disappearances in some of these triangles, but I guess it's up to the observer and the person reading the books to determine, you know, the validity of that.

Because I'm a detective.

If I read it in a book, and to me, it's a third person type of situation where it's being related to you.

I can't put a lot of you know, it's interesting, but again, it's still a story to me.

Until I go out there and prove it to myself, it's just another story.

And like you, like you, I've heard literally thousands of these stories, not just cryptid but of every paranormal thing you can think of.

And you know, I had one friend of mine say, he says, maybe we need something like really so strange and beyond reality that it shakes up the world.

And I go like what he goes like dog men writing in a corn being held onto his tail, being held on to buy bigfoot as it goes over you, or something like that.

And I was like, yeah, that would be you know, because you got you know, people are I don't know.

I mean, I look at the benefit of talking to a person firsthand who's had the encounter.

But when you get to well, it's my uncle and he had this encounter in nineteen forty eight and he passed and now his wife is still alive.

She told me the story.

It's very hard to track down.

I imagine being an actual detective working to prove, you know, a case in court to get evidence, and that's what you came up with.

I mean, you can have like a first person, hand to hand encounter talking to somebody specifically, and you still wouldn't be able to prove it in court to a lot of people because a lot of this stuff, I mean, it falls into a weird spot where it's just like everybody that doesn't want to believe it is going to look for any possible reason to not believe it.

It's yeah, and I understand that.

I don't mind allowing people to have a way out so they don't feel like they're going to go insane.

You know, if I you know, if I walked up to some of and says, hey, this happened to me personally based on the story meaning being pushed, and I took it to the next level and said, you don't realize what you're dealing with.

You're going out camping in some of these parks and these creatures are walking right up to your tent.

You want to risk the life of your children.

If I like laid it out to people like that, they would either call me kook and they themselves because of what I told them couldn't handle the information, might go a little crazy themselves.

They might go a little insane because they'd have to readjust their worldview, and that actually in some cases changing a worldview that dramatically.

I've heard were people they they got into heavy drinking and in some cases you wonder if you if they destroy their life.

So I look at it.

If you're going to watch this stuff, be prepared to to the people firsthand, if you really want to know the truth.

But nobody's doing that, because hey, it's the United States.

We had more important things to do.

We got you know, we've been captured basically by how this state is run.

So by the time you have time in your life to do the research or the detective work you want to do, year old and you just don't have the ability or physicality to do it.

But I did it when I was working, and I kept it a secret for thirty years from my family and all my co workers for even longer than that.

I never told them I was doing Bigfoot.

What do you do with your weekends?

I said, I do nature photography because I wasn't lying, but it's part of nature.

And I had to tell an id and R, two guys from the ID and R.

I came in and found this in the field with there was and that's why I want to keep the group small.

They had two I had two women with me and a man.

And the women were getting loud and they were talking about things women normally talk about, you know, their last doctor's visit, how their daughter's wedding went, all this kind of stuff in the field taught me a lot about human psyche, the human psyche and what people are.

So you sort of have to vet people before you take them out.

So I had three people with me, and one was an ex LEO, a retired officer, and the other two One of the girls was also retired, an ex police officer, and the other woman was but they were all into bigfoot research.

We got them out in the field.

We were two hundred yards three hundred yards at least away from the parking lot.

We had an ID in our truck pull up into the parking lot next to me, and they treked in and they found us and I asked him, I said, how did you find us in this forest preserve?

He said, well, we could hear the ladies talking, and I said, son of a gun, you know.

So that changed how I do research.

So that was a group of county meet it was four of us.

After that it was like three people, two people and me, or sometimes just one other person's and uh and more often than not just me by myself.

But I said, oh, you find And then he first question he asked me, what are you doing back here?

You know?

And I held my camera up.

I go, I'm a nature photographer.

And everybody else said I had, you know, cell phones.

They were recording with your cell phone.

He goes, so you're out here, you're just recording nature.

Yeah.

I like nature.

I like the you know, the birds, the cardinals are coming out.

You know.

I'm a big, you know, enthusiast.

I like to know the names of birds and hopefully I might find affiliated woodpecker if I get lucky and prove they exist in this area.

So he goes, okay, you saw just checking to make sure you weren't collecting sheds.

And I hadn't hunted deer for a long time, since I was probably your age or younger, and I forgot what that was.

The tourney used for for antlers.

They call them sheds, meaning they've been shed, you know.

He goes, I just making sure you're not collecting sheds.

And I go, what's a shed?

He goes, well, they're they're deer antlers.

They'd have fallen off the around the ground.

He says, there in most of your parks in Illinois, you can't collect them and take them home.

I go, oh, I didn't know that.

And then one of the girls in the group says to him, well, you want to know what we're really here for, and and and and she told them, and I was like, he was like, oh, he had to like I'm not going to react to this.

I'm just going to keep doing my job and leave.

So he knew nothing here.

Yeah, afterwards I told her.

I says, yeah, don't.

I says, do you trust the government?

He goes, no, I says, She says, I don't trust us through the states.

I said, but you trust you trust the state D n R officials.

So you told them, I said, yeah, And so of course, uh that yeah, that's sort of a that's how you started determine the people that are with you.

Now, if they're D and R people or people that are you know, US Department of Agriculture, US Forest dree workers or federal wardens that work for the you know, fishing game.

If they're willing to talk about it, you sort of can tell because they'll sort of bring up the subject.

Then I'll engage in, but I won't just like surrender and say, hey, I'm out here researching bigfoot.

Yeah you may not believe them, but I found prints here and yeah she told them all that.

I was like, oh my god.

It's kind of surprising when you start talking to those people too, how many actually spend all that time out there and they do believe in it.

It's like you have the people that hare just will not talk about it, and then the other ones will kind of hint at it, and then the other ones are open about it.

But it seems like the majority are in the camp of believing that there is something out there.

And again that I feel like shows some validity to it.

That the people that are literally spending their time out there doing that for their for a living, you know, put validity into it.

You know.

Yeah, some of them will actually engage.

I haven't found that person yet.

Uh.

I find when they're retired, they'll definitely engage and talk about all the stuff they have come across.

When they're in there marking trees for cutdown and and clothing trails, doing maintenance, checking on the cruise, doing the maintenance on the trails, making sure they're all safe, checking for going to the fire outlooks, looking for possibilities of people camping and burning, doing ground fires when they're nasal.

But they're doing all that, and I find sometimes also the guys that are approaching retirement, thells zip their lips too, because they don't want to give, you know, their supervisors an opportunity to denying retirement and and terminate them early.

So they're they're like sticking to their their being very careful toward retirement.

Because again they're working for basically most of your federal employees that are working in like national parks, national monument areas, they work for us Forage Forestry Service, which is part of the USDA, which is run by the Bureau of Land Management, which is guess what, run by the Interior Department of the Interior.

So knowing this, you're working for the FEDS all the way up.

And if they want to put a gag order and the supervisors tell you, yeah, anybody asks you about bigfoot, you know nothing.

You don't know what they're talking.

Oh, yeah, we have woolves, we have cougars.

That's probably which they always have a pat answer.

So random animal attacks when there's something seen in an area, I mean, that's a typical.

Yeah.

I even had heard about them talking about telling people they're feral dogs.

People have dropped their dogs off and they're farall and they just survive in the And I know those feral dogs do exist.

I've come across them, but you have I come to the understanding that if they approach me and the guy's open and he's somewhat young, generally they maybe don't understand or maybe they haven't read their policy manual, so they don't know all the ins and outs, so they'll really talk to you about it.

But trying to find that person.

I haven't found that person yet here in Illinois.

But I think if you go out west and you're in places like Utah, Arizona, even northern California, I think you get some people that it's there so obvious there, and it's even the residents have all had interactions or some form of encounter with bigfoot that they they're used to it.

They're like they'll talk openly about it.

That side of the country is kind of totally different with that stuff, Like we have just as many sightings over here as they do over there, But on that side of the country, it's like they're either open about it or they just don't talk about it at all.

But the people that don't talk about it at all are still open to it, they just don't want to acknowledge it.

So it's just there's not like a question of if they exist out there.

It's a matter of like, who do you know who's seen one out there?

Yes, and that's quite a lot of people.

The people that acknowledge their existence but don't want to talk about it, I understand they want they hold their privacy very important to themselves, and they don't want other bigfoot researchers showing up at their homestead or wherever they're living and say, hey, can we check your property or can we you know, they want to avoid all that, and so I pretty much don't have to deal with that because a lot of the private landowners I know already, or the public lands which are parks and stuff, I can go in freely and do research, you know, until they come up with some kind of law, which I don't think i'll ever exist.

You can't bring recording equipment, audio or video into a park.

Until that happens.

You can go into any park.

As soon as you see that you know that that's going to be the park to try to sneak some cameras in and go record it.

I mean it's almost like putting a giant lesye on, it's on that park's back.

Yeah.

When you when you hear that, you know, when they say no audio record you know, no audio equipment, no recording equipment, I'm like, well, then, uh, you know, we're not in China yet, We're not to that point.

We're not in China, and I'm sure I could expect that in China where they clamp down on what's considered well, you take your video and make it public so to avoid that.

They don't a lot cameras or audio recording in the CCP and areas like that that would be considered a public land, but or the equivalent.

But I find that I've even been approached by D n R.

They found the second time they found me in the field.

It's only been two times in my life.

D and R ever approached me was when they heard the girls talking and they walked in a few hundred yards to find us, and they were cool, okay, we'll have fun, and they left, you know, after they found I wasn't stealing sheds.

And I even told them, I'll show you my backpack.

You know, my backpack is small.

You couldn't put an antler shd in there, you know, even if it only had one or two points on it.

So I was like, uh, later on, I'm thinking to myself, from now on, I'll keep the group smaller.

And then I went to a state park, a different state park, and it had it these signs they put up no hiking beyond this point.

I'm sure you encountered it in your local parks where they shut down certain hiking trails for it rained it's dangerous, it's close to a cliff, or it's muddy.

Wait, they don't want you going in there.

So they had this trail that was open for a long time.

All of a sudden I come up on it and it sort of wives off the main trail right there.

They had a sign no hiking beyond the spot.

So I figured, okay, I can come up with a pretty good explanation if I get stopped.

Why I'm bushwhacking, why I'm on a trail.

I'll just tell them that I went further west down this trail, got into the area where they were deer hunting in this area where they have a lot of It's a creek bed goes through there, and it's a grove of trees where you away see deer in And I thought I could actually go that direction, come back and return to the main park trail head, which would put me on the other side of the sign, and tell the officer if I get stopped.

Well, there was no signage coming back.

I took a long way back, and you had no signage saying you can't approach this area which was behind this no hiking sign.

There was nothing there, no signage.

So that was my explanation if I got stopped.

So I was good to have a game plan.

It's sure enough, sure enough, why I figured out what I was going to do.

I got to the park, took off, went behind that sign, and went down to the cliffs and hiked along the cliffs.

And it's at some point I heard a vehicle pull up into the parking lot above the cliffs where I had had descended.

The hills down to and I'm thinking, boy, that nobody's parks way over there, because once you pull past the parking lot, there's a trail that comes up to basically it's a deck with those those I guess you'd call them telescopes that the parks put up.

They're free, but you can look through them and you can scan.

They pulled up to there, and I'm thinking of myself, they must know I'm down there because I was the only other vehicle in that parking lot, so they figured I'd be on any of these trails.

Well, they must have taken out I'm going to say they pulled out a thermal.

That's the only way they could have found me.

Night vision went and revealed anything.

So they had thermal and it was still thermal works during daylight.

A lot of people don't know that.

You just look for something that's warmer than anything around it.

And so I thought, you way they're going to find me that I'm down here below in the bottoms here by the cliff.

Is if they're damn near standing on that looking down down range with this thermal to find me, and I think they saw the top of my head.

I'm assuming all this so uh, I thought, I'll just get to that other side of the sign, in which you go uphill and you're on the back side of the sign, and maybe I can get to the other side of the sign before they see me.

Well, I heard him walking down the trail toward where that sign is.

Right as I got above the foothill.

Halfway up the hill, he comes to the rise of the hill signs behind him and he yells down, What are you doing down there?

I said, I'm hiking.

He said, well, you're off.

You're not supposed to be down here off trail.

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Now what everybody tells you, Yeah, that's public land or taxes paid for.

We should to be able to do what we want.

But obviously they have to have some kind of structure and framework to prevent people from falling off cliffs and stuff like that.

So I understand why they put these signs up no hiking.

So I came up and I said, yeah, I gave him my game plan.

I said, yeah.

I walked way down there first and came around from the creek bed, which descends down toward this top of this cliff face, and I said, rather than go back the way I come.

I knew the parking lot was just you know, up from this cliff face, up the hill and just up to that sidewalk and right there the parking lot.

I said, I wanted to come back.

I didn't want to go all the way back and add another mile to my hike.

I said, I was right here.

He goes, oh, so you're saying that you just basically came back a different way, And I go, yeah, I said, I found myself behind the sign.

I was never my intention to break the wa And the guy says to me, he says, you look familiar.

And then I realized quite a second that was the guy that was with his trainee probably five six months earlier, and heard the girls talking.

That's the only in small world in my life.

That's the only.

In forty years of research, I've only been approached by dn R twice in the field, and it was in Illinois.

Nowhere else, not in Wisconsin.

I've been in Canada, I've been to New Mexico doing research, southern California.

My research took me all over the United States, never did I run into Fishing Game dn R or their equivalent.

I never ran into Illinois.

Same guy, he's like, you look familiar.

Well, I had a different jacket aut and I wasn't holding my monopod with a camera on it.

So I just walked up and I you know, I was just walking like a normal hiker, no backpack or nothing.

But I did have I did have my I did have a camera go pro I think, in my pocket.

So he just asked me.

He says, you look familiar.

And I looked at him and I go, yeah, you do too.

So I think I got this guy thinking, Oh, probably at you know, the Fireman's ball or some kind of public event.

Maybe I was, you know, I was at Pioneer Days or whatever you in every city has they're a little gathering, and that's where I saw him.

It's probably what I got him thinking.

And he's like, well, just next time, try to stay on the trailing.

Walked away, and I'm thinking to myself, it's pretty sad when you can't even bush whack because they're afraid that you're going to get poison ivy and sue the state.

They're so they're so afraid that that you're going to take advantage of.

And I know there are people out there are going, oh, I fell, I got off this trail.

They didn't market those those no good state officials, and I fell and hurt myself.

And so now I'm going to chase the ambulance.

I'm going to sue these guys.

So this is all I believe what the state's avoiding.

But it's also overreach.

It's it's obvious example of government overreach.

You're like, that trail was travelable, now you shut it.

And you're telling me, we don't know why we shut the trail.

We just we just posted it.

We don't want people going down there above the cliff face.

And I'm thinking, well, then, how are you going to solve that problem In a place like Grand Canyon, where people who fell through their death, they put fencing even up, you know, steal.

You got to put up the our own risk signs at a certain point and just you know, the ones that something happens too.

I mean, I don't know what to tell you, man, Maybe you should have gotten that close to the edge.

And I've seen my wife went there and her well she did go that trip.

But you know how you have your senior trip in high school.

Her senior trip is there a senior class who's gonna uh they were gonna bust them out to the Grand Canyon and uh, I don't.

She never went, uh but her one of her classmates.

Uh.

And they had all mark doocal beyond this point?

You know, you get all these precipices and overlooks that you before they put all this, Well did tube fencing up you could actually walk out to.

And I guess what, enough people died by accidentally slipping and falling to their death.

They put all these barriers up with signage.

Well they still don't work, because uh, when I was there, these people were Asians.

Whether they were from Japan or China, but they were Asians.

They climbed over the fencing, went out to the precipice where they're standing on the very edge where the cliffs sort of juts out into these little buttresses.

And they'd walk out to the very edge, turn around and do a selfie.

And I'm looking at it and I'm gooing.

One of them was this girl and real pretty girl and back Becky goes, look and I waved, I said, hey, come back, I said, come back before you know, Uh, Darwin pruised, they were right, you know that.

But they were doing that.

They were climbing over the fencing, uh, the barriers, and they were climbing out to the edges.

And uh, I'm thinking of the story my wife told me.

Yeah, we had for our senior class.

One of our classmates climbed over, climbed out to one of these edges of the cliff face where sort of there's a little buttress that goes out, And it reminds me a lot of them, remind me of you remember Wiley coyote and the roadrunner.

You know, it'd run out to the edge of the buttress and and try to get Wiley coyote to follow it.

And then while the ekyoe would come out and the cliff would break apart and he fall due he'd fall, but you know, roadrunner would get away.

But it reminded me of that.

And I was like looking in this woman standing with her back to the whatever half three quarters of a mile or more dropped to the bottom, and she is like taking pictures of herself, and there's other people looking at her, and they're trying to crawl.

Ei're like crawling out.

They're not quite out of all fours.

But they're basically crouched down because you only got maybe something that's twelve or fifteen feet wide and it's straight down, and you don't know if this stuff is going to break apart or just a lodge that you're standing on.

But they're doing this.

She said, this guy, her classmate, did this.

He slipped fell to his death.

I believe they went down.

They found his body a day within that day because they knew where he fell to.

But they had to go down with I think a helicopter to find him.

Yeah, I mean two birds one stone man.

I mean you also have you have to one worry about, of course, people just falling into places that they're not supposed to be because you just can't trust that everybody's gonna have the logic to, you know, not climb to the edge of a rock that might potentially snap off.

And then on the other side, I mean even getting into the more sasquatchy aspect of things or dog man or whatever.

You know, maybe some of these areas are intentionally blocked off because they know that there's a danger if people are in that area, or they know that this is a territory for this thing.

And that's when it gets into that whole like conspiracy theory.

Well I don't even know if it's necessarily conspiracy theory, but the whole idea about a lot of these state lands actually being like reservations for you know, some of these things because they know they exist in these areas, so they just leave the area alone.

It's almost like the same.

I mean for a lot of people.

That may sound a little out there and crazy, but is it really any different than in Europe where they will build highways way out of the direction or way out of the wave where they're supposed to go, just because they believe that this area is a ferry area.

I mean, it seems like it's no different.

Don't want to disturb it?

Are you gonna knock?

They did it in Greenland.

They had the you know, little people, so they had to reroute these highways because these bad luck and things were happening to the work crew on that were putting in the highway.

They'd find that their compressors wouldn't work, some of their power tools that were they charged were working, they'd have to they go dead.

They have problems with tools missing, breaking their equipment pneumatics.

Uh, you know, digging with these backos and stuff to put in the road, and hydraulic hoses breaking, just one thing after the other until one of their the whatever, one of their politicians, whether she was a mayor or the equivalent of a governor, she came in and they devised a plan to re route the road and all of a sudden, all the problems went away.

No no tools missing, no broken equipment, no just train stuff.

It stopped happening.

Uh.

They also talk about this in Hawaii.

The uh uh they're little people, I don't matter who having the manahuney.

Yeah, having to re route areas because the people, indigenous people in the area saying they were getting receiving signs and indications from them men and hui that they were going through sacred area and there was gonna be bad mojo, bad luck happening to these people, where if people have ended up getting really sick and just weird stuff happening.

So my friend, a guy I used to know from Hawaii, I knew him.

I was in a group on Facebook, and he told me he says, I've seen the menahoney in my bedroom on my bet and he described him and everything, and they're nothing like the little people like we like the pug wedgies and stuff like that.

How do you describe them, by the way, because I've only i think, talked to one other person who's seen these things, even though obviously everybody in Hawaii is like, yes, they are there, but it's very hard to actually come across one of these things.

How do you describe it?

If you remember, he described it as their eyes were blue, a very strange blue color, and looked somewhat like like you could see through the eyes.

And he says their bodies were He told me at one point he could see through their body.

And he described it as being no more than I think three feet in the area of three feet or less tall.

And he said he saw one standing near his bed and then it in like in a split second, in a fraction of a second, it was on his bed and somehow when it walked, it slowly disappeared.

And uh, and I've heard this happening, you know with other little people.

The uh, you know, the pug wedgis being one.

There's so many different names we have the paisas.

I feel like there's I hear a lot about those ones and they kind of do the thing with those showing people's bedrooms and disappear.

The ones that come from like Spanish folklore.

Yeah, there's the ones up in the mountains up in a uh it's either Montana or whatever.

But they called them though the little uh ah what was it the uh?

It's a Spanish word.

I think it means pablito, but it's uh.

But they're uh.

They actually came across a cemetery where they found hundreds of these things buried, and they said some Uh.

The story is that people came in from the h came in uh and and stole them.

And they're probably at the Smithsonian now hidden.

But they have one that's one I think resonant.

It's I believe it's Montana, maybe Wyoming.

Who Uh, they have one in it last Yar probably.

I'd say it's eight maybe ten inches tall, and it's uh.

I mean, i'd say if it's if there's all different races of us human beings on the planet, why not different races of little people or giants for that matter.

That's not as far flung as you think, you.

Know, I mean just a prime example of that.

I mean within the other animals I mean, you see subspecies that are larger variations and smaller variations, And specifically, every time I get into the whole idea about like Manahuni, I always bring up the whole thing with the Indonesian like miniature elephants that there was this island that because it was specifically just an island and they had to basically shrink down in size in order to be able to maintain themselves on that island, they became like a dwarf species of elephants.

So, you know, if you're looking at an island species of people, you know, I'm sure food wasn't necessarily limited at the time, but in the grand scheme of things, who knows how many generations they may have existed in that place.

But I mean, it doesn't seem like it would be completely out of question to think that there would be a smaller pocket variation of people the same as you'd see with other animals existing in an island habitat.

Oh yeah, I mean you're referred to Homo floriensis, the hobbit, the little hobbit people that uh and the isron lived on the island at one time with Flora's and to this day in that part of the world.

Uh, that part of Malaysia and that area the world.

Little people have been spotted by the residential population to this day.

Oh.

I mean you got all the stone apes and everything during Vietnam.

That's another good example of them.

I mean three foot tall islander kind of area too.

I mean that's like their variation of sasquatch, because I haven't really heard of any like full size sasquatch.

It's always the stone apes, the rock stone apes.

Yeah.

I heard about the rock apes being as tall as five feet, as big as us, not like you know, like our Bigfoot, but still all harry and uh throwing rocks, being aggressive, I mean throwing it.

On both sides too.

I hear those sold you know, you hear those from both sides.

You here from the Vietnamese soldiers and you hear from the American soldiers.

Oh yeah, the viet Cong and our our troops.

So uh, going into an area, uh, because the Mecong Delta in the river is an incredible habitat, has all these species of fish, even that one.

I believe it's a it's a jungle.

It's like more in the goat or antelope family, and they found that because of the moisture and the high amount of just the high amount of moisture in water in this type of jungle habitat in Vietnam, that they encountered the deer that has like it has like gill slits on its on each side of its face to allow it to breathe.

It's a very weird looking deer.

I think Forest Glante talked about it, but that discovery was made I think fifteen or twenty years ago.

But that's another species that I probably when they came across the bones, they said, well, this is extinct, and then they rediscovered a new species.

And Forrest maintains, I believe Blante Forstclante maintains that was just rediscovered the residential people that the people that lived out in the jungle, they knew it existed and they talked about it.

Obviously nobody believed it.

That's like those the tunnel spiders too.

That's the other one you always hear out of, like the Vietnam stories, those like giant spiders that the tunnel rats would talk about.

Yes, I mean, I don't know if it's folklore.

Just because people were obviously afraid to go in the tunnels and be a tunnel rat because your success rate was, like, you know, only one in ten people would actually live through those situations.

But I mean regardless, I mean, giant spiders don't seem ridiculous when you get into a jungle habitat like that and you have all these caves that people were digging out, like of course you're probably gonna run across giant spiders like that.

See, And that's what people aren't understanding.

After our last uh, I guess you'd call it last mini ice Age if you want to call it that, the younger dry ass when it hit and destroyed all the megafauna.

But people in Graham can't cock Bottom still admit, and I agree with that.

To assume that all the megafauna was destroyed is ridiculous because look at what we have in our basically laundry list of megafauna today.

We got the line rhinoceros, the elephant.

We got all this megafauna that still exists.

So why not giant spiders.

What's the difference.

They were in an area underground when the catastrophe hit.

We had all these giant mud slides instant ice age where they find these mastodons and in these megafauna killed like within seconds due to this emergence of this giant change in the landscape to descending of these areas that are huge ice are you know, icebergs and giant just monolithic amounts of ice creating this rise in the sea levels destructure of all the MegaFon that were land creatures.

And then there's other pockets in along across the world that many of this megafauna survived.

And to this day you can't say that was part of the destruction of the megafauna until you you have bones to prove that day existed at one time.

But just like the Cela camp, they can't prove those animals don't exist.

You know, they discovered the Cela camth and they're still sticking to the old.

I guess you'd say where they teach biology and universities nowadays that all these animals that they claim are extinct as a result of a guy going in with a couple of scientists from the Academy of Sciences out of Britain and going to Africa and saying, okay, we spent so many weeks here, Okay, this creature doesn't exist because we haven't seen it, even though all the natives are going, oh yeah, we see that every so many months.

We have accounts of it.

They even draw down descriptions that match what they're looking for.

So to me, it's not that highly doubtful that's something like the Lockness Monster.

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I was just about to say, with the Lockness Monster too.

You see this plesiosaur trope in so many different places, like almost every giant lake has had some type of sighting of it.

And it's not like people are creating all these different variations of sea monsters, different creatures, like they seem to all be around the same shape the shame motif.

Even people that have had no idea or context of like Lockness Monster, all these other things reporting these same things.

Like at a certain point, it's like Sasquatch, It's like you can't deny it anymore when it's not something seen isolated in one area, but something that's seen all across the world in different places.

Yeah, and I think things like pleasiosaurs in things like that, even like champ or uh, they have og Pogo and Lake Gogo Pogo.

They have when I was up in Winnipeg, they have Winnipegosis as their own lake monster for Michigan.

Just to throw in another one too.

Yeah.

Yeah, there's a lot of them and they're Uh.

I'm thinking and if you one scientist which sort of confirmed what I always suspected.

I wonder, are these creatures all in areas that are around the same latitude the lakes uh, and these impoundments that they're in are approximately what are their depths?

How big are they?

And it seems that when they uh lined it up with the latitude that Lockness was at in Scotland and they ran the latitude across the world.

They came across Hudson Bay.

They have their lake, their monster, and it intersected a lot of these lakes and their reputedly have lake monsters because they're in water that gets extremely cold and ice is over during the winter and it goes at incredible depths.

And some of these lakes are connected in some cases to Lake Saint Lawrence Seaway.

Uh, they're connected to the ocean.

Uh.

There is a blackness is connected I believe to Uh.

I want to say it's the uh.

Either it's a north north east Atlantic or it be it could be the uh.

Not not the Black Sea, but the North Sea.

Yeah, say the North Sea connects to the North Sea.

And I believe so there is a way to get in and out of some of these lakes.

But strangely enough, they're all around the same latitude while all these lake monsters exist.

Which also kind of funny the that whole area was all tropical oceans supposedly like a really really long time ago, millions of years ago.

So when they you go to like science museums and they talk about what Michigan, for example, used to look like a couple million years ago, they get into this whole thing about like they got plesiosaurs, they got this, they got that.

So it's like they're already saying that these things exist in the area according to like the narrative that they're saying.

So why is it not possible that, considering we barely have any of the waterways really discovered, why is it that these things can't exist in them, Not to mention the fact that we're not able to move around in these waterways as easy as we are to move on land.

So you know, you could try to chase lock and this monster around Lake Lockness all day.

But you know, if this thing has the advantage of being an aquatic creature, it's gonna be able to stay way the hell away from you before you were even noticed where it might even be.

Same with any of these big lakes, like Lake Superior, all the lakes around Michigan.

I don't think people realize like how massive, massive, massive these lakes are.

Like these things take out freighters regularly because they get rogue waves and stuff like what not a perfect freshwater area for something like that to exist.

Yeah, it's funny how Native Americans we ended up calling them.

Some people refer to those what the equivalent of what I guess you would call a tidal waivers uh in a lake like in Lake Michigan or Superior.

They call him sache waves because there's they're unpredictable.

It's almost like, uh, there's a movement of the tectonic plants, or there's a shifting of the magma layer at the bottom of the ocean bottom of the lake creates a sache wave and happens so immediately that you could That's what I think happened to the Sir Edmund Fitzgerald.

Gordon Lightfoot, you know, he wrote a song singing a song about the Sir Edmund Fitzgerald.

But according to one of the vessels that was out there, they were they saw the Edmund Fitzgerald uh and from a distance on binoculars, and I believe it was within not even a minute or less than a minute, the guy looked back and it was gone.

And they they determined it either saw really quick, like what could sink of that quick That's when they came up with the explanation or at least the theory that it could have been a sache wave, which is like it's an event that happens so quickly.

It just this wave appears twenty thirty forty feet high and just engulfs envelops this this sirridmunds Fitzgerald, and it just went down.

And they said they saw disturbance in the water, I believe, but they just didn't know what to make of it.

And now the Native Americans around the around the various Great Lakes, the Algonquin speaking people, they talk about this incredibly.

They had a name for it.

But what was just like a sturgeon that was like ten times the size of a regular sturgeon comes up to the surface of the water and does like a flip, and that creates the safe.

This is the Native American account how they had to sort of determine what makes it so they had to make you know, when nature's not unhappy this uh, I guess this sturgeon is there to like bring normalcy or harmony back, and that they considered it an omen uh, not a good omen when the safe great was saying the sturgeon created by the manateeau you know there they're medicine.

God created this situation.

But I think there's something going on geologically and all these lakes, not just with these giant plesiosaurus like creatures, you know.

I mean, just to throw in for Lake Superior, just because I was curious and I had to look it up.

Apparently this isn't the tallest, but it's saying the tallest wave that's been recorded in Lake Superior and in some of the Great Lakes has been forty six feet tall.

So that's that's huge.

Just to throw that in there.

And supposedly Lake Michigan add its deepest or not Lake Michigan, Lake Superior add its deepest point is one thousand, three hundred and thirty two feet, which is about a quarter mile, and even Lake Michigan's about one thousand feet, So I mean, these are these are massive lakes like that, those are like inland seas at that point.

And if anything, I mean talk about the possibility of something being down there, like that's crazy.

Yeah, I mean it's you know, we don't know much about we you know, three or four maybe if we're lucky, five percent of all the wildlife in the oceans.

It was like ten years ago that they discovered that lakes no different.

Yeah, it was like ten years ago they discovered that Lake Michigan stonehege thing.

That's only like it's not even that far off from this from the shore.

And how long did it take for somebody to discover that, Like we know nothing even about these great lakes.

Yeah, it was yeah, there was uh yeah, the their stoneheage, and then there was, uh, there's a lot of Yeah, there's also some artifacts from all the copper mining done by the allegend Mycenians, which is just a fancy word to describe the Greeks, the Mycinians, and they said that they had a copper trade, uh, across the world with well then the known world, and they had thousands and thousands of years ago, the Mysenians and probably, no doubt, uh, the Phoenicians, the greatest one of you know, one of the greatest sailing Uh.

I guess you'd call it to cultures in the world at that time, had already come to the United State, or I should say North American South America.

So the Venetians were here, uh during the Golden Age.

My Sinians were no doubt great sailors.

I mean, probably we're here.

So you got the copper culture that exististed in Michigan and the areas of the Great Lake, and they're they're discovering all these copper artifacts and finding finding these caves in mines ancient minds where copper was mined, you know, thousands of years ago.

We're talking about in the BC period, long before even the Vikings were here.

I saw something that they recently discovered that the Greeks, like you were kind of mentioning, actually hit North America before even the Vikings did.

So it's funny like my generation even grew up with all the Christopher Columbus stuff and then like a couple of years after I get out of school.

Then it starts getting into the stuff with the vikings.

And now I just heard this like a couple of months ago.

Now it's going even farther back.

And like I said, they're starting to discover that the Greeks were here before anybody else.

Yeah, and there's even evidence of the Chinese being here, discovering anchors off the coast of California.

And these anchors were only made for these giant vessels that the Chinese, that the Chinese you know, apparently used on their ship.

There these stone anchors and they had these holes car basically sculpted into them or chipped into them.

But they determined what dynasty they were used in, they were in common use, and what they were doing off the coast certain areas of California, southern California, that Chinese were here, and they figured, well, this was way before Columbus, that they had been visiting the West coast, even the west coast of Canada.

There's a story about even the Japanese allegedly being here, a story about among native indigenous people.

I'm not sure it was a sail Ish, but it's in British Columbia or the Yukon.

These Native Americans talking about in their oral tradition, they talk about having these two or three of these Japanese sailors showing up.

This was like in the days of the shogun and ended up.

They could not get back to their homeland, so they stayed with this First Nations people and lived out their life and they have a story about it.

They were like the Japanese.

See this thing about this cross cultural connections among via trade routes having played by history even US geography.

They don't want you to know.

The interactions occurred not just from Western Europe alone and some Italian getting permission from the Spanish king and queen to come here.

This map has been known the pies Res map for a long time.

There were maps that preceded it.

So they were circumnavigating the world.

Even the Polynesians were doing it.

They were going to South America.

I was gonna say it that they figured out some where one of the main land masses is and they're like in dead the middle of the ocean.

You can't tell me that somebody that wasn't up towards Russia or towards like eastern Europe didn't go over into the Americas through like Alaska.

That's not even that far of a gap, Like it's such a weird thing.

Yeah, that that like nobody thought of going that way.

They just thought nothing existed past that, But yet there's people living in that area, Like that's so bizarre to think about, Like it makes more sense that everybody just kind of knew that everything existed, be forgot for your period of time, and then came back around to it, if anything.

Yeah, exactly, I h I think that's underplayed.

Nobody wants to look at that.

The land bridge is uh, you know, it existed for how many thousands of years before it disappeared?

Well, and also, give me a second, I want to tear my light back.

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Just to throw this in there too, just to show like this doesn't make any sense to me how nobody was going back and forth this way, Like it's more logical that they were.

Apparently the tip from Alaska going into Russia is only fifty one to fifty five miles.

So you're gonna tell me that people that were seafaring didn't find that fifty one mile gap way sooner than we thought they did, Like, that doesn't make any sense.

Yeah, I mean, I mean, you look at all the seafaring nations that we know about in ancient history that were incredible.

Before you even get to the Portuguese, you got the Phoenicians, You've got uh.

That's half the length of Lake Michigan.

Like, that's half the width of lank Michigan.

You're telling me nobody discovered that, Like, that's that's crazy.

That's nothing.

I mean.

And even if they they didn't use boats with me along the land bridge would be the easiest way to travel, but they could still walk it.

So then of course you've got the influx of animals that have from Siberia that made it to the north North America and into the Central and even South America having vast similarities.

I think it's just a matter of trying to hide the materials of anything.

I mean, of course, anybody that's in power, Like if you discovered that there's this giant area where it's just a giant stockpile of precious metals and everything.

I don't think it's that nobody knew it was there as a matter that anybody that knew it was there kept it a secret, because why would you want to tell anybody else where your giant stockpile is.

Well, even with the Mycenians and and and those people, the people that lived on crete, all those that have access to the extra you know, it was you know when we when they were talking about the Copper Bronze Age, you know, it's a gold Golden Age of Greece, and uh, they're finding like this stuff that dates back to this epic.

When they believe this this, uh, the archaeology that supports it, I would say fringe archaeology because you're not going to hear you know, general run of the mill archaeologists say oh yeah, there was my siting in culture of Greek culture right up here in Michigan.

And there's a derivation and and those stories are told by later Native Americans who relaid those stories because they have a compact contact obviously with their ancestors do so, you know, like where I was at a week ago, I was had the effigy mounds all over northeastern Iowa and parts of western Wisconsin.

Every park I went into, I thought I was going.

I went to Affigy Mounds National Monument, and I thought, okay, there's Effigy Mounds there.

There are mounds to say, these mounds are small.

Yes, they're small.

If for one person, that person's got to be big, he's got to be a giant.

But the mounds are They'll have these mounds at Figy Mounds and they'll have them laid out.

You have a mound and a mound next to it, and they'll go on and you'll have fifteen or fourteen mounds and they take the shape of a bear.

But the mound itself is just a big, round, circular hill, perfectly shaped.

And you're going, is that a whole family of Native Americans?

Their ancestors.

You can't walk on them.

They're going to eventually do archaeology on them.

They don't want you digging on them.

They don't want to get any artifacts.

They're hiding it.

And so when I left f g Mounds National Monument, I thought, well, I'll just go over to a famous park where I've had a famous forested area where I've had interactions at.

But I had my wife with me, so we couldn't go bushwhacking or deep hiking in So we took a trail when we were there, and they have them there in this forest not far from from the mounds.

We went to the FG mounds, and then we went to another state park referred to as Pike's Peak State Park south of where we stayed, and sure enough, they don't advertise mounds being there or anything.

You get into the park, you start walking down one of the more common trails and they have them marked off.

They'll have a sign right next to where you're walking saying don't walk on the mound.

And I look over and they'll have like somebody went in there with the lawn and cut a path all the way around each mount so you could walk around it.

But the mound itself is just covered with grass in prairie grass, and you're looking at it and you're going, wow, that's pretty big.

That would have to be if it's one person, it'd have to be incredible.

Of course, you got to use common sense and say, maybe it's a burial for that community.

You're part of that community.

That one mountain may hold twenty five bodies.

You don't know, but they won't let anybody find out.

You know, if you got caught going in there with GPR or some kind of you know, ground penetrating rate or something like that to find out what's under there, you'd probably they probably whisk you away, probably arrest you.

But they tell you can't.

They don't mind you filming the mounds, but you can't approach them, and I've been known to.

I went into one area where they had a fence around, a chain leak fence that was like a six foot fence all the way around this mound.

This is an other part of I believe it was in northern Illinois, Iowa.

But I went in there and my wife goes, what are you doing?

And I go, I just want to get closer.

So I got crawled up over the fence and I walked in and they had an area mapped out with they had basically a string and they had it basically laid out in a grid pattern where they had started digging already.

And I didn't expect to walk It was like on the other side of the mounta hidden from your path.

You couldn't see it.

I'm like, why are they fencing this off?

Well, they were in the midst of archaeology.

So I was lucky I didn't get arrested.

Oh but see, these are all universities that they're hiring to come in, and the universities, based on whatever the NDA is with the state or the federal government is, they don't disclose any of that.

When it finally gets to the point where it's in a museum where you can see it, those are the artifacts of it filtered out to allow the public to see.

Yep.

All the other stuff, you know, if you saw like you're not going to see, you know, you know, the cranial skull of a giant that's twice the size of your head.

They don't you know, you don't see any of that, and the people don't know the Smithsonian is is a government owned and run institution.

It's not just some museum.

Yep.

I want to see something super duper weird.

So I was driving home from a family's house a little bit farther north in Michigan, and on the way back down, I'd never heard of this park as many times as I've lived in Michigan.

But it's called Senelac Petroglyph State Park, right, So I start looking at these pictures of these petroglyphs that exist in that park.

And this is the very first thing that I saw.

I want to bring it up in a picture because I want to get your eyes on this one too.

See this hamprin right here, one, two, three, four five, six six fingers right there?

Yes, and this is literally like you can go there, you can see it, Like I want to actually go there and see it myself.

But I started looking at all these pictures and I started trying to dissect them, and I found at least three or four spots on this spot in Michigan that has six fingered handprints, Like, again, what is the what is the motif of that?

That's the typical giant things, Like I'm surprised that this park isn't covered up unless it's one of those things that most people don't connect the six fingerprints.

But I don't know, look at that, I mean, unless I'm looking at it wrong.

I count a thumb, then one, two, three, four, five six fingers.

Yeah, yeah, you have a thumb and five fingers, so yeah, you have six fingers.

Yeah, And I see that in petroglyphs.

When I lived in New Mexico, I visited some of the places where they had petroglyphs, basically in some of the displays at various museums the pictures of the petroglyphs.

But I've actually seen some of these petroglyphs when I was in New Mexico, and they do have them in Arizona, where one of them is called I believe newspaper Newspaper Rock, and the older glyphs on Newspaper Rock show six finger handprints and some very unusual alien looking beans or whatever Native Americans wearing strange outfits.

Because I don't know what to make of it, other than I have to go back to the information regarding what I know what Billy Meyer has discussed and talked about it, and he talked about in the days of all there were giants, and there were different types of giants, and they go on to explain that they were all not the same, and so that tells me right there, some apparently had five fingers and some had six fingers.

Some were incredibly tall.

He talks about twenty eight to thirty three f foot tall giants.

He refers to him as more like titans.

And then there was a man the men of renowned, which were probably on the order of Goliath's size, giants like Hercules, Perseus, all these people that were nine to ten feet tall another one.

A lot of people don't want to recognize if they people that I read the Bible, if you read one of the oldest versions of the Bible that exists that hasn't been translated five hundred times, they talk about the correct name of Noah and it's not No, it's no.

It's something that's very long.

It's like thirty two letters in this name, and said that he was over three meters tall.

Well, you're you're crouching ten feet now.

And they said that he lived to be what was it, It was like a couple hundred years old, if I'm not mistaken.

Yeah, no, yeah, he was actually uh he was a giant and his he using progenitory.

According to the Bible.

No, it was nine hundred and fifty years old.

I mean, that's not how far fetched if you knew our true lifespan was anywhere from four hundred and one thousand years and that we're living with, you know, it probably will sound like conspiracy to some people.

But I've done a deep dive in this, and I believe we're we are genetically manipulated people.

All the races on this planet, all five races on this planet, have been genetically manipulated to keep us one hundred years old.

And there's a reason for that.

You look at the news cycle.

We forget stuff that's one to two weeks old, forget it happened.

Sometimes we forget.

Well, think about a generation, the average generation lives, you know, even give them, give them you know, I guess I could say, to be uh, to be beneficial about it, I could say, some people live into their nineties in hundreds, it's their outliers.

But on average, people live to their sixties and seventies more often than not.

And then the minority, there's a minority of people that make it into their eighties and nineties.

Well, if you look at that, and you're going the reason for that is if our progenitors, the people that created the manipulated gene, wanted to use this enslave us and use this as their warriors.

There the people that they're they're the enslaved, became their warriors, their protectors, and basically only could live up to one hundred years.

You could never form a movement, You can never form any kind of situation where you could free yourself from your bondage because you have a short a short lifespan.

And what happens is you end up being uh.

I guess the word is uh amnesia.

You have this like amnesia.

I call it UH.

What's happening to the species now of humans on this planet?

I think we have also a genetic amnesia.

I mean you basically are tricked into working until you get to a point where you've kind of degraded.

And then once you get to that point you have degraded, they're like, all right, have fun, and you get about, you know, ten fifteen years, and at that point, it's like you your brain is so fried from all the time that you spend working that it continues on the cycle that you're really never able to climb into anywhere new, discover really any of these new things, because you spend so much of your time just focused on your work, and then when you get to a point where you can focus on your own work in research, then you're just getting too tired at that point to be able to do it.

And you don't have that same energy you did that you spend all that energy on somebody else's dream at that point.

So I said, it's a vicious cycle that's intended that they work you when they can, and then you have a short period where you're not being worked, and that's the whole intention is, you know, you just want to kick off the extra and.

That's sort of funny.

The reason why they do that is because when you reach that age where you're supposed to retire, you're really if you're in any kind of trade where it involves any kind of physicality, you're useless.

So they basically you're being put out to pasture.

Now, envision this what you just touched on.

Imagine with people could spend their entire lives.

They contributed to the whole Let's say your average work it worked four hours a week to contribute to the community at large.

And everybody in the community did this, and you have what I call a direct democracy, not a representative democracy.

You have voted on petitions, you have voted on you didn't vote on people.

You voted on petitions, and this was all working out.

And you were actually from the day you were born until the day you died, you spent the majority of your time except for the four hours you worked a week.

You spent the majority time on art, music, all these other things that inspire you to make you a better person.

What you're technically doing there, or what you effectively are doing, is you're evolving your consciousness.

It's an evolution of your consciousness.

The way we live in the station cycle nowadays in the West is we're not allowed to evolve our consciousness because that would mean you would spend most of your waking time doing not just the self work, but you would be uplifting the consciousness by through you and everybody else doing this the consciousness of the planet, and to me that we have ways to go to get there.

And unfortunately, because of a representative democracy, you're voting on people who keep promises, which is to me, the most absurd criminal thing you could do, you know, And most of.

Those people that you vote for know nothing of the common man.

They don't even live in the state that they're representing anymore.

So it's just like they're strictly speaking because they want to be somebody that's in charge, rather than most of the time actually trying to make a difference.

Because again, like when you're one of these politicians that's been raised in these families where you just have endless amounts of money.

Everything's handed to you on a golden platter, Like, how can you relate with the common men?

Like you see these things with like Hillary Clinton and all these politicians where they go into like a normal person's house and they look like they're just absolutely disgusted by it, And it's like, these are the people that are representing us.

That makes sense.

Yeah, it's sad.

It's that way because we've equivocated the worth, their value of a person by how many assets they have and what they're worth, what their physical worth is monetarily what they've achieved, and all the good works which they publicize, you know, really good works are helping your fellow human That should just be the normal thing to do, and nobody should even share that.

Hey I did this for so and so, or I did that.

Politicians, people in the entertainment field, they all just want to put that out there.

You know, even Keanu Reeves, I don't know if he appreciates it or not, but all these people saying Keanu did all these nice things for people, blah blah blah.

If he's a true human being, he toribably doesn't appreciate this shit.

Going public if he's just like the rest of them, the elites.

He was like, Yeah, the whole idea about doing great things and helping people out is nobody knows you're the one helping him because everybody does it.

It's just a human What people say to me, why'd you do that for him?

Me?

Why'd you get that for me?

Or why did you stop and help me?

I tell them, because it's the human thing to do.

It's just a human thing.

It's not it's like we're getting away from our humanity.

Yeah, and we don't have that anymore because we're thinking about you know, look who I am, and look at my worth, not my worth as far as my wisdom worth or my ability to create a better place for everybody, including myself.

No, they're not talking about that kind of worth.

They're talking about political and economic value.

That's all you have.

I mean, most ideology today teaches so much about individualism that it forgets the point that you have to exist as a community and even within the whole individualism idea.

I mean, it teaches community within individualism, and that's where we have all these individual splits where there's not a broad community of people anymore.

It's like, here's this group of people, this group of people, this group of people, this group of people, this group of people, and you're trying to stick them all in the same place.

Like everybody's so interested in being in that niche and being that individual they forget that.

The only way anything will work is if we become a community and function altogether and accept everybody for all the different things that they might be able to participate, because everybody's good at different things, but everybody's want section themselves off.

We should be a collective.

And I always thought this was wrong.

You see it really multi amplified even multiplied for that matter, on all your digital platforms, whether it be rumble, Facebook, YouTube or whatever, where everybody as an individual wants to start a group.

So what happens is instead of having all these groups coming together to create one big group, a worldwide group of understanding, a harmony of a population of people working together, what you have is nowadays I call it sectarianism.

It's like millions of groups of just ten.

Yeah, you have sectarianism.

You don't just have religious groups, you have political groups.

You have you see it in the Bigfoot community.

You have all these disassociated research groups.

They don't want one doesn't want to cooperate with the other.

One is they has antipathy for another group.

They they can't stand it.

They're in different tours.

So that, you know, if people would stop the sectarianism creating groups where you need group followers, a group leader, and everybody would say, uh.

It's even in politics.

You see all the various groups that exist in the Democratic Party, all the little groups that exist in the Republican Party, and then you've got groups outside that, the Independence and you know, the Green Wave groups, all those groups, and that has split things apart.

You saw it in the beginnings of the Catholic Church.

You had all these branch off Protestant faiths all saying their way of interpreting the Bible was the best or only way.

And then people splintered off those groups and created their group and said, no, no, our interpretation is the best.

You know, it's just you get all this so that that's the result of individualism.

Individualism.

They're using it as a monolith to say that's how everybody should.

Be, not realizing that we all have the same root and foundations.

And I mean even going into like religion as like an example of that, almost every single religion that's monotheistic all goes off of the Old Testament, and then there's just a split off when it comes to the Messiah concept.

So it's like again everybody forgets whether it's sasquatch, whether it's this.

We all have the same roots.

It's just those little opinions that tweak and then they make everything split.

We need to go back to the foundation of everything and then be able to discuss everything according to the foundation.

Yeah, there it needs to be if you want to call it a collective.

But I think that searching for that one perfect person to represent it all puts that person a pedestal.

And because human beings love, because of our King, the way we've been raised and the way we've for for generations have been brought up in this world, we feel it's it's all right to receive this adjuration and and sort of look at ourselves in the mirror as being somewhat like a god.

All these people are adoring us or they're worshiping us because whatever we hold the high political office, or we were in charge of a group that may have some kind of part of that group may have something to do with uh, doing good things, beneficial things, but you got to do it there.

It's just not there's they're putting too much into these groups.

And then the groups who are very similar to each other all disagree with each other, as you point it out.

And so what happens is, uh, they're saying that that, oh, yeah, diversity is good.

Well, diversity is uh comes from the word division.

So you really want that division, you know.

So I think this whole thing about group think, and you know, we've got to look to the group leader to determine what our group think is going to be.

To me, that that was around before the digital generation, and now the digital generation is here and it's like amplified and magnified incredibly, and everybody's wanted to join all these various groups.

And I was like, there's always somebody speaking everybody's exact language on the Internet.

Now that's part of the problem too.

Whatever your idea is, whatever your ideology is, there's somebody that's speaking exactly your ideology.

Even if it's a small group, there's somebody out there and you will find it.

Yeah, they're speaking your ideology, and that's very true.

But having the ability to like say, you know, the virtue.

Even though I'm not a Christian and I'm not Catholic anymore, I can recognize the virtues.

Treat your brother as you would treat yourself, all the virtue use in the Bible.

Even without religion, you live those virtues.

You're still being a good man by any stress the word do you need?

I think some people need religion, and I think it's a benefit to have religion because it helps you understand that the nuclear family, your children, your wife or wives, that you can still exercise those virtues within your family and in your community.

Whether you have a religion guiding you for it, or you have enough wisdom in your life to applied in your life, or as far as your actions and what you do, you don't need.

You know, I understand people need that guidance a guy to go on church and someday and you have to understand what Jesus is saying to apply it in their life.

I know a lot of people that do exactly that, and they're not religious at all.

They hold children in high regard because they know that's they're going to be succeeding them in the world.

We leave them behind.

We leave behind that our children hopefully will being able to be encouraged to keep things going and for the betterment of humankind and the beneficial of humankind.

But also I think that.

As as.

As part of a family, a parent, you have to look at you know, treating everybody with kindness is across the board, not just religion.

It's just the human thing to do.

Everybody should do that.

You shouldn't need a religion to say, Okay, here's the twelve ten commandments.

You know, don't cover that, neighbors, that's common sense.

A lot of those commandments are common sense.

Unless you're disposed of or you degenerate into feral humans, then you got a problem.

And we're seeing this in society now where people are they're basically evolving into like feral humans.

And they're like, it's an eye for an eye, you know.

It's like the Old Testament, which was to me like the Old West almost, I mean it was you know, they say, well, there were two different gods.

When God was more you know, he was more avengeful.

Now the New Testament God.

See, that was one of the reasons why I started looking for other religions and I found out there were no other religions that they are close to some religions, even the ones that were polytheistic, that held those very same values and virtues as did the Abrahamic religions, but they were looked down upon because those all those gods they worshiped, the are all ten gods.

Well, what do they look at us?

They probably say the same thing about us were monotheistic.

That's a tin god too to them.

So instead of saying my God is better than your gods, or your gods are better than my God, I think everybody's missing the point.

I think it's about, you know, understanding through common sense and logic, what's is obvious on the moral compass.

Oh yeah, like love, cherishing your children, being grateful, being grateful, being happy and satisfied that you did something, and actually giving yourself a pad on the back occasion and say, man, I was going to try and do this.

I don't think I'm going to be able to succeed, but I'm going to push away, push hard and try to do it, and you succeed.

People aren't.

People should satisfy, should congratulate themselves, and through that you get satisfaction.

If you're waiting for your coworker, your friend, your boss, your wife, or whoever to give you that added boy, you're not living.

To me, that's that's not the right way to really go about living.

I think it's just, uh, you have to appreciate yourself.

If you become self hateful, that basically mirrors itself to people around you, even people that are close to you.

They see that you that if you say stuff like I don't think I'm gonna succeed or I have doubts about my ability to do this, people pick up on that stuff right away and they know that.

You know, I say, I always say be hard on yourself, but don't be brutal to yourself.

Yeah, And I always just say be kind to yourself.

Also.

That's one of my my words of wisdom I would have used at the end of your show.

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I would say, you gotta always kind of meet the middle ground on things like you can't beat yourself up too much, but at the same time, you got to push yourself.

But on the other side too, you can't become too into yourself or you almost start like self worshiping, because then you start losing lose the context of having the sense of community.

So, just like with a lot of things, it's a matter of meeting in the middle, but a lot of people end up pushing it way too far and then they get into this whole other spectrum that was never the intention in the first place.

Which is the hard part with a lot of philosophy is that you have the original person that writes the philosophy.

It makes sense to that generation the people around them when they can kind of start to expand the ideas.

But once it gets a couple of generations out, the philosophy starts getting reinterpreted again.

And then once that's reinterpreted again, then it's a different perspective because it's not the same period that the philosophy is written in.

And then it kind of people just take it off in their own direction.

Yeah, it changes, and when that change is the understanding of what your original philosophers intended are no longer makes sense.

They're not effective.

Like even Aristotle or Socrates, they you know, they believed in moderation with all things moderation and you know, it's one thing to be satisfied and be good to yourself.

It's one thing.

It's quite a different thing to go beyond that and spoil the hell out of yourself and and just make a mockery of yourself by doing that, because then you're you.

You can't even look in the mirror now because you become a different person.

So moderation is important, you know.

I was wondering why there was that old I don't know if they do it anymore.

It was a time in China where people would tell me, and I'd read about it, how Chinese parents would tell their beautiful daughters that they were ugly so they wouldn't get sort of like the valley girl complex like we have in our country, where girls just dawn, they fall in on themselves and they think they're so beautiful, but they don't have the common sense to put two brain cells together and come up with their own original statement.

The thing is is I see that, and I'm going, uh, yeah, I my daughter, My daughter is a beautiful woman.

I had people compliment me on my daughter, but I've never went up to my daughter, oh oh my god, you're so beautiful.

I would never.

I don't want to indulge in that and get her.

You can get your children into a sense of you know, oh, my dad and my mom said this about me, so therefore I am the gift to the world.

Yep.

Type situation.

And I've seen people do that with your children, and then when they get into the real world they find out, oh, they're not as beautiful as their parents.

They didn't sing as well in the shower as their mom told them.

They actually can't sing at all, and they get they go out into the mainstream with these lies about themselves because parents don't want to tell the truth.

And uh, I love my kids, but I will never lie to them and say you're something that you're really not, and therefore from that they will tell me the truth and tell me, Dad, that's a bit much.

You're like, you're over the top on this.

So I've been able to check myself even when I tell them about Hey, I saw a structure out in the field, and I see that look in their eyes and are like, oh, here he goes again.

So I don't say anything after that.

I'm like, Okay, that's I'm done.

You got to recognize the limits with people.

Just because you're doing something you find exciting, you want to get to the scream, go to the riftops and scream into the world.

It's sometimes you just got to keep the treasure to yourself and wait for people that may be interested and ask you about it, and then got toe.

Just dip the toe, just figure out what's going on with people.

I do that all the time, even with like the Sasquatch stuff, because again sasquatch, like we're saying, it gets completely divided.

You kind of got to dip the toe, feel the room and then go from there.

Yeah, and if people come up and I dodged it for a year.

I used to have after I retired and have one of my in laws, uh he retired probably around the time I did.

And every time we would run we'd get to a family function.

My my sonal laws, well it would be a stepfather, but his my in law would come up to me and don I'm retired.

I don't know what to do with my time.

What do you do with your time off?

Well, I'm not going to crack that egg and tell him everything or even a little of it.

I just tell him I I just enjoy photography.

I do a lot of nature photography.

I you know, I'm sort of like I like I write articles, but I says and I I'm always working on something, so I said, I stay busy.

I said, I treated as though.

I follow my interests.

That's probably a good way of putting that, because that kind of universally goes for anybody.

Whatever your interest is that pops up, just followed an interest at the time.

Yeah, and that's why I told him.

I said, I like photography and I like nature, and so I says it just I spend times walking around taking video and pictures, and he that was he was it was good enough for him.

And then uh, I ran into my wife's cousin the other day, uh, and he uh, he's a big hunter.

He's always he says it's his favorite expressions.

I go out and kill things.

So I said, well that's cool.

And then he asked me what do you do?

And I figured, well, he's an outdoors when his hunter, he's probably already familiar with bigfoot.

And I even asked him, I said, you ever watch any of the bigfoot stuff on TV or on YouTube?

Oh?

Yeah, I love that stuff.

So then I told him what I was doing and he was cool with it.

He goes, you know what, I'm going to get in contact with you.

He says, you're going into the same area as I hunt in and you're getting evidence, you're getting casts, you're getting vocalizations.

He says, I thought something was going on.

I could not put my finger on it.

So apparently he has experiences and he's uh, you know, he's the big uh.

I you know, they call him the big hunter.

He's the big the big you know, the big hunter in our family.

And he's uh.

And there's people in the family that don't like he's a big hunter because that's not it's not interesting to them.

So he won't walk over them and say, yeah, I was out duck on me and set up a blind because he knows it.

So it's the same with Bigfoot.

You just use logic and common sense and the people eventually filter through that are really interested and those are the people I engage, and more often than that, they already know me.

So it's not like a big stretch.

No.

That's the blessing in the curse of the Internet.

At the same time is that you can find your tribe really easy.

And I mean sometimes though, it puts you into this paradigm where it's like you get so used to talking about sasquatch that sometimes you'll go out and talk about it normal for a minute and be like, oh wait, I'm not in my group at the moment.

You have to roll it back in a little bit.

Yeah, it's like with anything else I look at it.

To me, it's even though it's exciting and adventurous.

I talk to guys in my family who are guys.

One guy he loves Corvette corvettes and he's in the Corvette club.

And he said, I'm sure a few corvettes he's owned in his life, you know, the older models, and he's big into that.

He wants to talk about that.

But he's the same way.

Once you tell everybody's act like, oh, it's just another you know, a gearhead story about somebody working on their corvette.

Most people, unless they're really into that, their eyes glaze over.

And then he changed the subject.

And so he was telling me that one day about his corvette club, and I was like half asleep, and finally I just like I had to say something, and I go, dude, and I pulled out my phone.

I said, look at these pictures, and I showed up some of my structure's pictures and he goes, where'd you find them?

I go.

In some of the parks around here.

He said, what are those?

I said, that's bigfoot structures, and then after that he stopped talking about cars and it was over.

It was just, you know, I used that sort of as a conversation killer for me, and then later on I looked back at that and I was like, maybe I shouldn't have done that.

But at the same time, he knows.

You know, you take the thing that most turns you on in your life, is your favorite sport, your favorite you know, your your sort of your sideline that you like doing when you're not working.

And some people like fishing and other people hate fishing.

I've worked with guys, what do you doing on your weekends?

I go fishing.

I hate fishing.

So you know, to me, that's sort of how I go about it.

I look at it people they want small doses of it or no doses of it.

So you just try to not make enemies.

But at the same time, when it comes to something like this a podcast, you can't just sit on it and not share it.

People have to.

There's people to tell it to because it's the people that actually want to hear it.

Otherwise they wouldn't be tuning in on your channel, because your channel has a lot of interesting stuff, metaphysical fringe things that are were viewed as conspiracies and are now fact conspiracy fat and yet people are still in denial even though they can prove it and the facts are there.

Hey, it's the whole Uri besman Off concept.

You know, you dilute people enough from the truth that one day you can present them the truth and they still won't believe it.

Yeah, yeah, that's very very true, they say.

And yet at the drop of a hat, believe a lie.

Yep, because you've been doctrinated them into believing the lie.

Yep.

Yeah.

And it's it's sad because uh and I hear that term a lot, even on the Internet.

Everybody like, to me, it's gotten too easy to call somebody a double agent.

It's just to have people disagree with each other.

Just because you're disagreeing with me, doesn't mean you're a double agent that works for some unknown alphabet agency.

It's also just paranoia in the conspiracy community.

I'm sure that there's some ones out there that maybe have some bad intentions, but just you put a bunch of people that question every single bit of authority, and you put them together, you got to expect that they're definitely going to question each other's motives.

I mean, that's just that's part of the whole thing, you know, it comes with the territory.

Everybody forgets about Outcam's razor too.

Usually the most easiest or common situation explanation is usually the most accurate one.

But you know, as you make a conspiracy theory out of thin air that you know you believe in even though it's made up, and you have no proof or evidence, but it's it's a very interesting story, would be a great book or movie.

But then you ask somebody, here's what you said, and they add their twenty five cents to it, and they say, well, not only is it that, but this guy and this guy and this guy, which you think is a good guy, they're also they're also complicit because they were involved in this, this, and this.

I have no proof of that.

I'm just saying that.

So what happens is sometimes actual conspiracy theories that become a conspiracy fact will create or will give birth to just a bunch of false conspiracy stories by people, normal people in the world.

Because they want to take a different they figure walf Mine is different than his.

I'll generate interest, and it's the human nature psyche to want to gather followers or gather this like a a contingent of people that back you and support you.

And that's why I always think the YouTube algorithm is always pointed to where getting more followers and subscribers and viewers.

Where I tell people, shit, you don't have to subscribe.

Well, if you're subscribed and you don't like what I'm doing unsubscribed, I'm trying to be realistic to people.

I don't need to worry about the algorithm of YouTube priding me to say if I do this, that and the other, they'll promote me.

You know, I'll have hundreds, you know, millions of followers.

My intention is not to be another Joe Rogan.

Yeah.

That's why with my show, I talk about what I want to talk about and if it gets big numbers, if it doesn't get big numbers, it's irrelevant to me.

It's a matter of I talk about the information I'm interested in that I want to get out to people, and anything past that.

If people want to listen, they want to listen.

If they don't, they don't, I mean, find another podcast.

I guess, you know.

Yeah, and I'm sort of I'm that way too.

I feel if it doesn't interest you, just go to the next channel, go to another content creator and watch this stuff.

I don't.

I'm not going to adjust what I'm saying based on my own research.

I'm not going to glorify false stories or try to promote stuff that I know is false anything like that.

I know there's a lot of podcasters that will do that for clicks, but that's just never been my style.

Like I started my podcast on truth, and that's what I try to stick to.

And it doesn't matter if you know, this story is gonna get me a thousand views if it's false or I send any falseness to it, Like I just I don't have an interest in it.

You know, I won't even touch it.

Yeah, and I agree, I think, and I'll even you know, you sort of have to sort of polish yourself in areas that I find I'm talking about.

If I don't know I can prove it, I'll use words like, you know, it's alleged this occurred, suppose until I look into it.

Yeah, I won't know anymore till I look into it, and it all comes down to access if they let you look into it or give you access to the information, yep.

And if it's really available, that's even better.

And I make my stuff really available.

I go ahead and my cast I've showed on one video.

I've shown it to anybody interest.

I'd show my alleged dogmen cast, my alleged Bigfoot casts.

I've showed people the audio that I was able to sort of weed out of some of the background noise and sort of filter it to get the obvious vocalizations that I in some cases I accidentally found in some of my videos I didn't know were there.

When I cleaned them up and got rid of the wind and the insects, the low and the high filters, I ended up with.

What's left can only be what I consider is as what's left is your answer according to Sherlock Holmes, and that's what I come down to.

It's not human, it's not these animals.

And you go to.

The library at Oxford.

It has over ten twelve thousand recorded animal sounds across the globe, and you compare it and when you find it's not in that at archive of sounds, all that's left is Bigfoot unless there's feral people living in the forest.

Hey, and for all we know, they might be closer related than we think.

You know, yeah, exactly.

I mean well, I mean, I mean, if we're at Bigfoot, based on the DNA evidence, the on the matrilineal side has human DNA and the nuclear DNA is a progenitor or an unknown male progenitor that is more ape Like.

Well, who's to say that we don't have people walking around on a planet in society right now, possibly even in the city you live near, that are part of Sasquatch.

I mean, even if it's maybe like an eighth or like ten percent.

You know, maybe some of these people that are a bit taller, a little bit hairrier, but you know, just we don't forget as much of anything special.

I mean, they could literally have like one eighth one sixteenth Sasquatch DNA.

Maybe that's what starts to come out as a dominant trade.

Have you not seen people when you've been in the mall or in public where you've seen people men, we're in women too, but you'll see men that have sort of a a neanderthal look to their face.

Oh, they're usually hairier looking guys too.

They're and they'll have hair coming out of their sleeves and out of the their shirt collars.

And I was wondered about that.

How do you know, UH Bigfoot went ahead and UH took a woman hostage.

She had the baby.

The bigfoot was already hybrid and he has part human DNA in it, but maybe this particular Bigfoot had a little more human DNA in it.

And it's UH had its way with this woman.

She gave birth to a human that was more human looking, almost sapient than sasquatch and grew up to be part of the society.

And nobody even questioned it.

If you heard that story about it came from Russia.

It was like a woman who was like an Alamastu Xena Xana Bobtaisia.

That's it.

And there was actually some males from the village that had, you know, held her down and had their way with her, and with her they produced children.

And the first couple of them that she produced, she did the thing where she tried to bring him over to the water and like put them in the water to clean them off, and she froze and killed like the first two of them that that happened with but the ones after that, when they got it away from her, then they were able to like maintain it and keep it alive.

So I mean, if theoretically Xanna from Obtaisia was an Alamassi, she did carry that sasquatch dna, I mean, there might be some proof right there that these two species are able to commingle and reproduce together.

Well, hey, have you seen the actual pictures of Zana Yeah, yeah, yep, Yeah, she's very ape like in appearance, but.

Even her songs too, they're very hairy, but they looked like taller people.

Yeah.

Quid was one of her sons, and he was like, uh, what did they say, sub foot two or whatever?

Yeah, but he was super strong.

He walked over to this huge table.

It was like a uh there.

It was in a big uh this big house and they were having some kind of gathering.

So it was this huge, like uh a table that set would seat twenty people, made out of wood or oak or whatever.

And he walked over and he grabbed the leg of one of the four legs of the table.

It was huge table, and he had just lifted the whole table up.

He had these like feats of strength.

They thought he was like Hercules, and he had common sense.

He did well in school.

He uh, his learning capacity was not affected.

Yep, there he is.

Just bring him up.

Yeah, and if I'm not mistaken, that's the that's Zenna, right.

No, No, that's I think his sister or his uh, his daughter, because.

You always get these pictures and these ones are clearly false.

As she's the one with the nose looks weird, sort of weird, but that's yeah, that's Anna.

And Melba Ketchum told me that she went over.

I thought she went to Russia and they could find the bones of Zana, but they found the bones of Quid and they were able to uh whether or not they they sequenced his DNA, I wonder, but uh, his skeleton was abnormal, comparable.

You can see him right there on the picture on the right of what appears to be I think his sister and he uh.

They said he was huge, he had very uh abnormal.

His appearance was not what the men looked like in that community.

He was different, but he was very strong and they said he could withstand cold temperatures better than most humans.

And yeah, there's a lot of interesting ones and the ones that I've seen by Uh.

There's this artist who does great art work based on forensic descriptions, and the majority of our art that I've seen, if not all of it, almost every depiction of big what she has drawn has a human like face, and they vary just like human faces in our own population.

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That's how all the First Nations usually describe them is.

You know, when people have like the more updated drawings, people tend to do these beards on them, like all these different looks, and it's kind of like a caucasiany looking face, which maybe that may have happened along the line with the DNA.

But all the First Nations people that you talk to and they refer to Sasquatch they talk about and basically the same way that like Native faces are that they said, there's no hair on the face at all.

It starts at the head and kind of goes up around.

There's no beard, Like every First pert Nation person I've ever talked to you specifically verifies that Bigfoot Sasquatch, there's no beard there, straight bare naked face.

Yeah, most of them are like that.

There are some exceptions, some have I think it's it's not they have manicured Kate's that the hair just emerges in spots worch their chin is and other spots.

They don't have like sideburns.

It's just the interesting thing is in these depictions there's a whole range of when people think, well, Bigfoot is a hybrid creature.

It's hybridized with our ancestors, or I should say Homo sapiens.

Usually woman are being taken, and they're not just Native Americans or Native Indigenous from Central or South America.

They're also uh.

Some have Asian appearances, some have look like black people.

They have facil appearances like Africans, Asians, Caucasians, Native America.

The one my win friend saw in Wisconsin, across the creek from him, he was pretty big.

He stood there and looked at him.

I asked him, I said, what did he look like?

He said, his face looked Native American, he looked indigenous.

I've seen others.

People have described the ones they saw as look Caucasi, looked like a white man's face.

The one Randy told me about that he saw.

They're out in their pickups with their chainsaws cutting down wood and collecting wood to take home and and cut up and split.

And he says there were two or three young guys with them with the chainsaws.

I think Randy was with him.

He says, they look up and there's a bigfoot walking through the side of the mountaineerer on came out of the trees and was like walking parallel to them.

Where were they were on the road, And he says, and it got closer and he said he looked up at it, and he said it had He says, it was a very handsome face, very handsome, manly looking face.

And I asked, well, in his interview he was asked and I had talked to him about it too, but in the interview he was asked about it, and he described it as They said, well, could you describe it like you said, it looked like a man's face, like a Caucasian man's, And he goes, yes, not Indian.

He goes, well, who did you who did you think of when you looked at it?

Who did it resemble?

And the guy that played Iron Man, that's who he.

Described, Robert Downey Jr.

Robert Downey, Yeah, he said, he said he looked like Robert Downey Jr.

And And and and the people sort of laugh.

They said really, He goes, yeah, he says, we were amazed how good looking he is, because he says, in our culture, when when we get together with our cousins, and he says, Indians are having a sense of humor just like everybody else.

He says, when our cousins come over, uh, and you know, grandma and Mom's here to fucking cook cook, cook up and feed everybody.

He says, you don't always see your cousins, because you know, everybody's somehow related, and your cousins, some of them you see a lot.

Some of them lived in the next and the farther away on the edge of the reservation, maybe even in another state, and you don't get to see them but maybe every couple of years.

But he was telling him.

He told one.

He says, uh, he says, you're fucking ugly.

And his cousin and he goes, why why do you call me?

He says, you look like fucking squatch.

And he told and I remember him talking about that.

He says, some of us are ugly.

And he says, we we sort of we call spade a spade we call it.

We say, oh, you look like sasquatches, baby, or you look like a sasquatch.

That's an insult because not all sasquatch.

You're beautiful, like Robert Donnie Jr.

You're not handsome.

But I've even heard another description.

This was on a YouTube video where the guy described a female and she was beautiful, you know, from toe to head with hair, you know, naked, but she stood probably I think he said she was six and a half to seven feet tall.

Somewhere in that was that on the Sasquatch Chronicles, because I remember hearing a Sasquatch Chronicles episode where the guy was talking specifically about like how beautiful her face and her body and stuff like that was It's like the side of the finale, Saasquatch.

I haven't saved him my phone.

I'll send it to you.

I swear it with Sasquatch Chronicles maybe like six months ago.

I'm like ninety nine point nine percent sure I remember somebody talking about like a beautiful female sasquatch on that show.

Well, this guy, he was on an interview with the girl that's a forensic artist.

She's she's a great artist.

Uh, And I don't want to be name dropping on in your channel.

But there's all these names, but you can look her up her.

Uh it's a sketching Bigfoot is her channel, and uh, you look, I believe it's sketching Bigfoot.

But this guy comes onto her, is interviewed by her.

What she does pre interview she has them give her a description.

Then she she paints their description of sasquatch, and then after she completes it, then she interviews them and then she throws it up so they when he describes what he saw, he has the matching art that she created from his discription.

It's really cool and she knows who I am, and I know, I just never thought of contacting her.

The ones I've seen, i've been on thermal and it's hard to get a facial identification from a thermal.

But in this one, he was down a trail in this forested area.

It was private land of public landing.

He took his dog, and his dog went into the went into the brush, went in went into the weeds, and there was some like these huge shrubs and his dog took off, and so he heard his dog in the shrubs where he was at.

In this wilderness area and it was time to leave, and he goes and he could hear his dog messing around in the shrubs, or so he thought it was his dog, and he goes.

He goes, okay, girl, let's go, or he goes, come on, girl, come on, girl, we got to go.

And I guess she thought this creature thought he was talking to her.

So she from the other side of these shrubs, she just stood up.

And in the artist depiction, I was like, without hair, I would be I would be gawking at this lady.

I'd be like, wow, check her out, you know.

But I was looking at her.

But she was big, and he looked at her, and she's looking down at him because he's shorter, and he's looking at her and he's trying to figure out and he realized, oh, she must understand a little what I said, like let's go, girl.

He thought she must have understood some English.

And so why he's they're staring at each other.

She's staring at him.

I don't know if he said anything or he didn't know what to say, and he's looking and she made a motion with her head like like she was surprised, like oh, I thought, oh, like you caught me.

And so now they're looking at each other, and all of a sudden, behind her, I believe, to her left and behind her or the left of the screen on the air, so would be to this this female bigfoots right.

We had her right side behind her, this other bigfoot stands up, which he believed was her her father, who definitely was closer to the ten foot range.

He was like like looking at him, like, don't even think of it, like, you know, like a father would with his own daughter.

Yet he got the impression like he didn't the the male didn't want him around.

But the girl, the late woman whatever female flastusquatch, she was like checking him out, like yeah, you surprised me, you know, like I thought you were talking to me or it was just weird.

And then when I looked at it, I was like, I've heard this in the past where some some females bigfoots are actually somewhat attractive and others are just like Patty more.

Uh, they got more of the human DNA, they got more of their mother's side.

Apparently thinking they got more of the human DNA.

So whoever her mother was, you know, unless her mother was a really pretty big Foot too.

I don't know, but I hear about that.

I also heard about in this same a different interview by the same woman from Sketching Encounters are sketching Bigfoot.

I believe there's a channel.

I'll use her name, Sabilla Irwin.

She's the that's her channel, her content.

But Sibylla Irwin is an incredible artist.

But she was the first one when I finally, I've been telling people for ages for decades.

Bigfoot are a type of people.

They're an uncontacted tribe, very primitive and still in the Stone Age.

They're not an uncontacted Bronze Age or copy Age tribe.

No, They're an uncontact contacted tribe that probably though do use stone tool, do use things like that.

I think some of the more advanced ones probably do make the equivalent of arrowheads and things of that nature.

So I think there's varying degrees of intelligence among these groups or families of them.

But when I saw that, I was like he even stated, he says, I had no fear when I was directly looking at her.

It was more amazed by her size, and she was surprised when I called my dog.

I guess she thought you know, maybe when he said let's go girl, maybe she thought that was her father.

Saying that.

I don't know, she just got excited.

I mean, you makes you wonder.

I mean, I've been gifted.

You know.

You hear about gifting.

I've gifted, but I've been gifted back, which I always I got a question mark in my head when it happens.

One was a turtle shot.

Well, oh, I've heard that one good number of times.

It's that seems like, Yeah.

I went past the boulder around my trail in about three quarters of a mile from my car.

Walking down this trail, I passed a boulder pile in front of me, so I walked to the right of the boulder pile.

I remember looking at the boulders and it looked like it was a two way where people on a four wheelers or side by sides can drive down this.

But it's only during deer season of the use that I was during.

It was early, it was spreeing, and I was back there and I was like, I see the two way, and I walked down and walked past this boulder field along the we was on the road blocked the road, so I had to walk around it.

And I came back, probably less than an hour later, and one of the prominent boulders, the ones that were there were like four or five.

I don't call them a field, but it was just a group of boulders.

There was like a dozen of them, and one or two of those were really big, and on the biggest one, as I walked back, I looked down and there's a turtle shell totally clean, nicely cleaned, like it was kept somewhere and I don't know, like somebody had had it was.

It was all cleaned up, shining really nice.

I picked it up and I just put it back down, and I thought, I didn't think about it at the time that wow.

And I even in my video, I go, yeah, that was not there when I walked past here earlier an hour ago.

Now on my return it's there.

So I left, came back another day and I walked down the trail approaching I'm now I'm about to not even a quarter a mile from where the stirver shell was placed on the boulder, and I'm walking in and I remember the specific spot on this trail there was you could almost hear or see the river beneath there.

And I walk in, go past the boulder pile and keep walking.

Did some filming.

Came back.

As I got to that spot I mentioned earlier, about a quarter mile before you get to that boulder field, there's a deer leg like it was torn off, like just torn off a deer.

It looks like a four leg, not a real leg.

And it was laid right in the middle of the trail where it almost had to trip over it.

I had to see it, and it was not there earlier, and I'm thinking, oh, something placed this on the trail, SMITA and I think these gifts are not People say, oh, yeah, that's part of the deer.

It tore the leg off, and he just wants to tell you that's what's going to happen to you if you try to come after me.

And I just thought that was a stupid way of looking at I was looked at it.

They eat deer, they eat turtles.

They probably seen us eat, and they probably don't know what the hell we're eating.

They probably think we're interested in the same food they are, so out of common sense.

It's I believe they gifted me a deer leg and a turtle shell, and I left them both behind them like, I'm not eating the deer leg.

Turtleshell I should have taken, but it was just to me, that's a personal experience.

It's no evidence.

But for lack of anything, the only thing I could think of that did that was maybe a raven or a crow put that turtleshell there, but the deer leg.

Finally, when I saw the deer leg, I go, wait a second, what's going on here?

That's like, oh, when you see the deer's up in the tree, It's like there's certain things that there's just no other explanation for, especially depending on the woods you're in.

It's like, what's what's doing that type of stuff?

Like there's no other explanation besides some type of you know, unidentified quote apex predator.

Yeah, I mean, and how can you explain the structures?

You see the X structures, you see the teepees, you see the woodstacks, and you're going, god, boy Scotts went all the way in here, told what looks like a failed survival shelter that couldn't even keep the snow or the rain out, And there's no you know, people, when we do stuff, even boys, I was the boy Scouts, you sort of do things with symmetry to them.

You try to make it look good.

No, this is like.

It's it's not symmetrical in the respect of how we think about ardor.

But the teepees I saw are perfectly round, and all the sticks or ridge poles aren't the same length.

It's not like an Indian tpee of twelve or eighteen you know, lodge poles.

No, these are all different length, and many times a lot of the sticks she used in these tepees are debarked.

They're broken on either end.

They're approximately the same length, and they're all leaned up with a central feature.

The central feature is always a living tree or this thirty forty foot long dee barked dead tree or branch.

It's placed in the center leaning on another tree, and then they use that as the centerpiece and then they build the tepee around it.

That's when I saw when I was in northeast or Iowa, Iowa, last week, and I have the video of that.

I showed Becky from the path eighty feet away we were walking on.

It just looks like an anomaly, and you're going, what is that dark thing over there?

It looks like part of an upside down tree.

Well, when I walked down to it, I'm like, oh cow, it's a tpee, you know.

And then right behind the tepee was at arch pinned down at fairly old arch, but it was there for some time.

So I showed her the video and I did the close up video and I go, that's what's down here, and she goes, oh my god, it's a tepee.

And I've encountered him around here where I live, but it's not like you encounter in the Rockies or out western Utah or up in the San Juan Valley.

There's huge twenty five twenty sub foot tall tps, huge hundreds of branches laid into it.

And I still have not found a legitimate explanation for why they do tps or the exes.

Everything you hear on the internet is all supposition and speculation.

The x's are letting you know it's their territory.

The X's are letting you know, don't go beyond this point.

The x's are One guy says, the x's R means that they're friendly bigfoot, they're not aggressive.

Same with the tps.

The tps mean it's it's a form of art.

Others are like, maybe it's a gathering place where all the family gets together and they all put their own sticks in.

Maybe the simplest answer is the correct one.

Maybe they simply do it because they're an intelligent being and it's a means of entertainment.

I mean, it may not.

It has to have a meaning.

It could just be they just do it just to do it.

I mean, there's a lot of stuff that people do just to do it.

You know, why do we stack rocks, why do we go on hikes, why do we It's just entertainment, something to do, you know.

Maybe I mean from an astra ancestral standpoint, there are people, you know, their their parents and grandparents and their great grandparents.

The families have been coming to this area for a long time, so you know, I thought, well, maybe when the TP starts out, there's only maybe when their great grandparents did there was only six six.

I've seen tps with just six or seven sticks in them.

I've seen tps four sticks going up, pyramidal shaped, just four with a tree in the middle, And I thought, okay, let's look at it this way.

If you want to say it represents the family.

Okay, the one with the four leaning up are the family members, the middle thing that's the father or that's the the alpha grandfather or whatever.

And then generations later you come back and in that spot or same area, and now you see tps that have hundreds in there.

Now you're talking about multiple families.

The grandparents had four or five kids.

Now you got you know, you got a family of seventy or eighty in this clan, which are all related, and they're all putting their own individual Now that's a speculative thing I came up with.

It's a literal family tree, like in the most family tree.

And they're all adding their own lean up every time.

And then you see the little ones by the kids.

They're shorter and small and they're all leaned up in the TP.

So I was wondering about that or am I overthinking it?

And it's just an area they like so much that the Bigfoots they were putting the tpe up, were putting effort into it to make these beautiful tepees.

So when any of their groups clans or other clans they know of our traveling through the area, they see it and they're like they'd have some kind of meaning to them, whether it's artistic, which it could be artistic license, or it's just something that they do just like you said humans do, which uh you ask people why do they do it?

They could go because.

Well that thought will be right back after this brief commercial break and now back to that deep conversation you create.

I mean, it could even simply be eye coverage.

I mean we're talking a bit earlier.

I don't know if it was before we actually started recording or not, but just people missing things just because they're simply not moving.

I mean, how many times have people probably walked past one of these things in the wood woods just because they're standing perfectly still and people's eyes catch eye movement.

That being said, you know, these things obviously are made to be out in the woods, so they don't need those structures for things like that.

I mean maybe they'll make like the grass things for a wind and everything, but maybe they make these structures simply so they have something to stand in and look out, and things walking past it'll just all blend into.

Can't see them, or they don't even have to be in them.

They could be standing behind them and use they have to break up their online.

Yeah that's what I'm saying.

They can just look right through it.

That would make sense.

Why they're not covered is because it's more discovered.

Yeah, and that's a possible.

That's a very good possibility.

I mean, early on when I discovered structures and I started exploring the internet to find out any reason why they were doing this and what it had to do with anything, and what.

Early on the discussion and speculation on the big Foot community was the bigger tepee structures.

Oh, they're living in, they're having their babies in or whatever.

Uh.

And then that sort of devolved or evolved into well, maybe they're using it to conceal, to break up their outline, or using it as a hide as some people say, just like hunters use.

Maybe they're doing it for that maybe.

Uh.

And I'm thinking to myself, Jesus Christ can hide anywhere in the forest they want.

They don't need a tepee to hide or conceal.

They don't need it.

Maybe, you know, people are saying, well, maybe they're when the mothers get to a certain age and they start birthing, they have to go in they burn the infant in these structures.

And there's not just those structures.

I found hut like structures.

I was gonna say those huts and those grass huts, those ones are the ones that I think that they adamantly use, but that I.

Would almost I would almost go to say they use those to birth in and you always find them by in watersheds near lakes or rivers, because I think they would do that.

What do they do just like I mean wind coverage too, I feel like those might be some pretty good like wind coverage.

If there's like I mean you.

Mentioned earlier, look at what Xana did when her with her newborn, she went down to the vulgar or whatever and she washed them in nice cold water and they died.

I think they do this because they want to find out if their babies are going to survive.

They have to build their risk assistance to cold, and they test them when they're in infants.

If they were going to make it, they have too much Homo sapien DNA, maybe they die.

But the interesting thing is, I thought, well, maybe they're doing these.

Some of the major tpies I've heard about out and even seen are close to the rivers, and so I picture if they're using the tepees to get berth on and then taking their infants down to the river and Washington in that would make sense.

But so far, I don't think they use tepees like we think they do.

I think they use nests.

I'm what you find in the Olympic project.

These what were the there were twenty four They started up initially twelve nests.

But they take all these huckleberry branches and they gather them and they make these thick beds that are anywhere from five to six feet wide by eight to nine feet long.

It's like having a giant recline, and are made out of basically huckleberry branches and vines, and they just stack them in there.

I think one of them, they said, was anywhere from two to four feet thick, and they one of the research is laid in it.

He goes it was it was outdated, it was starting to deteriorate, but he say it laid in it.

He goes, my god, this is comfortable.

It's like a recliner.

And they found on the top of this ridge.

Believe that there was initially twelve of them.

And if you got to a certain point on the bed where you could see through an opening, you could see the next bed if it was twenty five yards away or or one hundred feet away, you'd see you know, you'd see the next one, and you go to the next one, and from that point you could see the next one.

They discovered twelve of these huckleberry beds.

I've discovered beds in my hotspot made out of guess what we have, which is very common here cornstocks layered up very thick in the tree line on the edge of a cornfield.

I found.

Are they weave too.

I've heard a lot of people talk about him being weak.

They were weaved.

The cornstocks were weaved together to create like a bedlke mattress, and there were other weeds in there.

And I went in and crawled in there, and I thought, geez, I'm not a big guy in five to nine, but I thought a six footer could lay in there, six foot person col lay in there like this far and you'd be fine, you'd be comfortable.

So I think, yeah, we don't have huckleberries.

We have raspberries, which are you know, they're not comfortable to lay on.

I want to want to lay in raspberries.

But I was like, uh, when I saw this, I was like, well, we don't have huckleberries here in the Midwest, but we have a lot of silage that's left over from corn and soybeans.

You know, So even when they don't harvest the corn, what's the revenom from taking the corn that they peeled off the stalks and taking all that solid in the stocks and like, and that's what I found in one of them.

And I was like, uh, that's right where the stick was thrown at me.

And I didn't know that was there.

I just saw all the corn stalks knocked over, laying on the ground.

I'm like, there's no deer that would come in and knock all ten, ten or twelve stocks over.

And it went in two rows like they were getting there.

Really the sweet corn, the sweet grain corn that hadn't fully matured, which is super It's like the kernels are almost white.

I don't know if you've ever had.

Yeah, by the way, you'll also have to tell that stick story, because you told me that before we started recording, and I'm sure the listeners will want to hear that one, so we'll have to double back and you have to tell that stick story too.

Yeah, Okay, the stick story.

Uh, yeah, this was I was walking between a forested area on the edge of a cornfield essentially a tree line, and I parked my car near there, and I the reason I went to that spot is on this finger of this forest that I was walking along, it was only probably not even seventy sixty five yards wide from where the tree line hits the cornfield, and then if you go away from the cornfield, the other side of that forested area is the parking lot.

Well, I went from that parking lot one day down the trail head from the parking lot who runs parallel to the creek, which is whatever eighty ninety feet away, and I got something thrown in front of me.

I saw it just go right through the weeds and hit the foliage on the other side of the trail and break its way through the foliage.

And it was it was a fast pitch, but I just caught it streaked by, and I'm going, that's no insect, And no insect crashes into the foliage and keeps going.

So I'm thinking, okay, that was stay through something.

And I looked about where this creature would have to be to throw it, and I thought, okay, all I'm going to approach position from the other side of this finger of this microfest finger.

It came out to the parking lot.

So I came back another day, probably not even a week later, a few days later, and I parked my car closer to where I entered, that area by the cornfield where it meets the tree line.

So I walk in and there's a sort of a grassy area next to the tree line of maybe anywhere from five to fifteen feet of tall grass, and then there's the first row of corn.

So I'm walking in and I see all these corn, this corn stalks broken over and not just broken over, but actually broken off its root, and they're all laying sort of like pickup sticks, like they've been pushed over, knocked over, or grabbed and torn over.

And every one of them had the corn cobs the corner taken off of them, and they had no corn on them.

But I found some where the corn was laying on the ground.

The cob was taken out and they had stripped away the outer part and left it there like humans do.

And so I found a bunch of the corn showing or whatever you want to call it, laying there.

And then I found one one that had been eaten off of like we eat corn.

It looked like it was you know, was eating all the way around, all the way down to the base, and it was just laying there.

And then I found a second one was partially eating but wasn't finished.

But all of them had been dehuskeed.

I see all the hust laying everywhere, corn stocks laying down into a partial corn up in one corner, cop totally eating, and I'm thinking, what the hell's going on.

As I'm approaching this and trying to figure out what's going on, I get almost all the way past it.

I figured I'm walking further and see if I find any more of this going on.

I'm thinking what I didn't believe this was deer.

I thought maybe there were a bunch of people eating sweet corn.

It just didn't make sense to me.

So as I'm walking past this area, I hear this like a boomerang, sound like what passed me.

And I just saw for a fleeting second, just just a streak, and I followed it down and looked to the ground and there's a stick laying on the ground.

So it was thrown downhill, is what it reminded me, like the toss came from from down, from down to range wherever this scene was staining, or if it was a tall person.

It threw it from a position where it was looking down at me is all I can figure.

Or it was a tall creature.

So I picked it up, and like I said, it was three quarters of an inch in diameter, probably fourteen twelve to fourteen inches long.

And I picked it up and I was like, wow.

I'm thinking to myself, wow this scene.

If it is a bigfoot playing games, I'll find out.

And I thought, well, the best way to find out is pick it up, and so I took.

I walked up to the edge of the tree line and I threw it overhead in an arch as high as I could throw it.

I didn't really lost it, but it was like an overhand pitch and I threw it and I heard it land and when it landed, it landed in an area I just assumed this thing or what many creatures were in.

But to my surprise, when I hear it land or thump on the leaf litter, I have something apparently squatting or sitting in the leaf litter.

Then stood up and I heard it stand up.

It couldn't have been more than forty feet away from me.

It stood up and just I could hear it turn and then it just casually walked away by petally, just like a big person would.

And where it was, apparently in the leaf litter at was a walnut a grove of walnut trees, and there were eventually went in there later on, and it was like giant ball bearings.

There were walnuts everywhere.

If you can imagine having a thousand Little League balls you got to walk over.

That's how this area was.

So it was very hard.

I had to like be careful when I was walking.

It was like walking on the ball.

But there were and I looked up in there was walnut trees everywhere, and I'm thinking.

This is later on.

I think the sunow gout and the thing was in here.

It was probably walnuts sandcorn, so I can figure so, but I one element I want to digress.

I left out one element.

After I made the throw and it landed, and this thing stood up after hearing my stick hit the ground, which I assume was near where it was sitting.

When it got up, the first thing I did is I know you're in there, I say, after I heard it get up.

Oh, I said that before it got up, I said, I know you're in there, and then I tossed it.

This thing got up.

When it got up, I took two, possibly three paces into the tree line with My intention was is to see what I just heard get up.

And then at some point it occurred to me, what are you doing.

Don't follow it.

It's leaving.

It doesn't want to be mucked with.

So then I just stopped and I go, wait a second, I'm not following.

I had I've been with two or three other people or another person, I might have done it.

So then I just left and I realized, yeah, I just I spooked one.

It threw something at me as if don't come any closer.

I threw it the same thing it threw at me, back at it to get confirmation, to see what would happen.

And something happened, and I got my confirmation and I was like, okay, it's there.

Subsequently, I've been wood knocked at, I've had things thrown at me in that area, probably more times than I can count.

One day, was in there during the day and they were just throwing shit left and right.

They were just it was it was early summer.

It was I thought somebody there, somebody was in there with there are a couple of people in there with BB guns having a BB gun war.

That's what they were throwing.

They were throwing it so fast I get here ship zipping through the weeds.

I was picking it up on my parabolic Uh.

I heard movement.

I heard dog barks.

They're big on the dog barking.

It sounds for the uninitiated, you're going to assume it's a dog bark.

When you listen to a closer, it's a war.

Increase of all reality.

We'll returned after this quick commercial break and we are back, so let's hop right in.

One day, I went in there.

I do this usually every end of October beginning of November.

I take our pumpkins from Halloween and I take them down to the same hot spot area to feed the deer because deer elie pumpkins.

And uh, maybe you already know pumpkin is a good de wormer.

Oh yeah, I use that for my dogs, for my reased, to use it for my reptiles and stuff.

Yeah, and that awesome natural do.

It's an ancheloteam whomer And my friend who has elk and deer and stuff, he was telling me, he says, yeah, I use I break up my pumpkins and I feed him to my livestock.

So I thought, yeah, I'll just bring side.

Have a bag and I have three or four pumpkins in it.

So I went in there one day.

It was early November, I believe it was within the first or second week after Halloween.

But I went in there had the bag of pumpkins I believe I had.

Yeah, I had two medium sized ones and a small one.

I real big one, but I had him in a bag and I'm carrying him down there again.

I get to the end of this trailhead it wise off into two separate trails.

I take the one on the right, which goes down to the creek bat where I thought the original rock throws were coming from.

So I'm walking down this why and I hear it was sort of weird how it happened.

I'm walking down and I knew they're down there.

I just had a sense of it.

I always have a sense when I'm there there and I out loud, I go, I'm just studying.

And I had done this before.

I never got a response.

I had taken pumpkins to this spot before, and the pumpkins remained untouched.

I'd come back and they'd all be rotted.

The deers wouldn't even touch them this time, though this was just a couple of years ago.

I go down there, I have the pumpkins.

I'm walking down.

I'd take a Just as I'm getting ready to take a right turn to go down this why in the trail, I hear rock goes past me.

I hear it crashing through the foliage across the trail.

I'm looking their long way.

I don't see where it came from, but I know I was just being warned.

I knew it was rock through.

So I go, it's just me.

I'm just here to I'm bringing pumpkins for the deer or you guys, if you want it.

Nothing.

So I walked down this why the trail a little further to this tree.

I was gonna put the pumpkins right behind, which is where I put him the last load of pumpkins, but probably five feet further out.

It was five feet away, five six feet away from where I usually deployed.

But I put him directly behind the tree.

And as I'm taking them out of the bag and I'm putting them on the ground, and I'm thinking to myself, I want to get this done relatively casually fast, but not like I'm rushed.

I didn't want them to give them the impression that I'm panicking.

So I'm putting the pumpkins down.

As I'm putting him down, I'm thinking, Okay, I'm just gonna take the bag, shove it in my pockett around the league.

Right as I'm in the process of putting the pumpkins down, to my left, there's this area of willows and other bushlike brush like or bush like trees.

There are a groundcover up to six feet off the ground, but they're thickly brushed.

On the left here, right on the other side of that.

From where I was standing on the other side of the brush or bushes and shrubs, I couldn't see behind.

I get a wood knock, which I estimated again thirty They're always like thirty to forty feet away, but it was it was a double, not a single.

It was like knock, knock, real hard.

And I'm thinking, what, there is no big tree.

There was a big tree near there, but it was a distance away, and I'm thinking, well, they're just knocking two sticks together.

I didn't know if they had a rock and they were hitting a chuck of wood.

It was just a loud double knock.

And I just finished putting the last pumpkin on the ground.

Uh.

When the second nap finished, and I go, I'm done, I'm leaving.

I'm not bothering you guys.

I'm not bothering you guys.

I'm just dropping off pumpkins.

I'm leaving now.

So I left.

I came back probably a month later, and I went behind that brush that brushy area with the shrubs and uh.

Again I was looking for something they were knocking with.

Found nothing, no evidence of where the knocking came from.

Uh.

And then I thought I was going insane.

I'm like, how are they knocking?

And then I get this information from other bigfoot researchers that they go into certain areas that are devoid of trees, like a grassy area there are no trees and the grass is five six feet tall, and they'll hear knocks emerging from the grass.

No trees, no saplings.

So I've come to the conclusion they not.

They're different ways they do knock.

I believe sometimes they use branches or sticks or whatever hit trees with them.

I think they also can do the knocks doing mouth pops, and I think they can.

Also they can simulate the knocks.

My one friend said he saw one take its hand and hit a large tree and create the knock with his hand.

So I think they have multiple ways of creating the knock, but I think the vocalized knock is the easiest one to create because you know, I don't pitch your bigfoot as like a caveman running around with a club, even though I think there are times they do use sticks and clubs.

And I've seen just weird structures that are over dried creek beds that the top of the structure you could use is like a roof to get out of the rain, which doesn't make sense because it's a dry creek bed.

So I never quite understood, you know, yeah, they're in a creek bed that's eventually gonna flat out during rain.

But you know, maybe they don't they don't mind that part.

I just uh, I left things behind for them, like uh, I call it a balance bird.

You can buy them a truck stops.

It's for your you know, for kids to play with.

But it's got its weighted so you can set it on like the corner of a chair on a corner of a table and balances itself.

Oh, is that one of those like old toys that spin.

Is that what you're talking about, the ones that usually have like a point and then the bird sits on the tip of the beak and it will kind of balance on it.

Is that the one you're talking about?

Uh?

Yeah, right, word, the bird's feet would be there's a weight, and so you can balance a burd on anything that's got a point on it and it balances.

So I picked blue, which everybody talks about blue being Bigfoot's favorite color.

I I don't know if that's true, but I got a blue bounce.

Burt went to one of their structures, put it in the structure, came back a week later it was gone.

Left him.

I'm sort of an amateur rock gemstone collector.

I brought milky quartz fossils.

I have a trill about trillobyite fossil.

I found some iron pyrite full of gold, and I had some other stuff that had was gemstone quality.

It was like milky quartz, and they took it.

They've taken all those kind of gifts I gave them, So then I started leaving them food items, apples, and blueberries, raspberries and peanut butter.

All disappears.

You know, I never find the bottle, the containers.

The blueberries and raspberries were in gone.

The apples were in that were you know, it was in a bag.

I bought a whole bag of apples.

Now I'm on like bag number ten, nine or ten.

I drop off a bag I just got down to, you know, buying peanut butter and apples.

And more often than that, I buy the apples and drop them off.

The whole bag and the apple bag everything container disappear as if it's a deer, a rodent, a chipmunk or squirrel.

Generally they chew through the bag and the apples fall out.

You can see the evidence that or even deer will do that.

We'll chew through it.

But the bag is like I figured, well, they got to carry things like a container, you know, rather than carrying all their apples like this in their arms.

Say, obviously it would probably be easier if it was me.

I'd want to carry a bag full of apples, you know.

So again I can't prove this, but I've been warned about gifting them not to do it on a race.

Their basis I do it once or twice a year.

I've heard it a lot, like on your own property, that you just don't want to make it a regular thing, otherwise they start to expect it.

But if you're going on to other places dropping stuff here and there, I think the main thing that I've mainly heard about is I'm just getting mad.

If it's like an every single day occurrence, then you just stop doing it one day, Yeah, and then.

Then you get him, You're right, You get him used to it, expecting it.

You're right.

So I felt, well, rather than dropping something off every week, or even some people go as far as doing it every other day, you create that frequency where they become dependent on your food supply.

I thought, no, I'll start out within anemic objects like my fossil rocks, my jempstones.

My run friend came in with me one day and he brought a poker chip from the bar, you know, from the tavern.

We put that in there and we had a smiley face blue sort of shaped like a ochre chip, but it was a blue smiley shaped face.

And I had a birthday balloon that was blue inflated with with whatever helium or whatever that is.

But it was.

I brought that in there.

And this is my early stages of gifting.

I was an including food because I said no, I wanted to be interested in the item and see if they have an attraction to it.

And it certainly worked well because on one occasion I had the birthday balloon tied from its ribbon tied around this tree at an X.

I was at an X formation and I tied the ribbon from the balloon about five feet off the ground, and then I put my fossil rocks and my jump zone rocks at the base, and I had that the blue Smiley Face.

There was a crack in the tree across in one of the sections of the of the tree that made this giant X.

Yeah, it was all debarked upridted dead trees.

They made this X formation.

And I found a crack in the tree and I put the poker chip and my smiley face chip in there, and I tied my balloon up there, and then I had the fossil rocks at the bottom.

I came back a few days later the UH ribbon that was tied to the balloon that I had tied to the tree that was missing.

It was probably six six seven foot long ribbon.

Uh, that was gone.

The poker chip was gone, the blue smiley Faced chip was gone, and almost all my gemstones were gone except one small.

I was on a fossil rock.

It was just a river rock.

They had some cool looking colors in it.

It was left behind, and I'm looking at him, going where did everything go?

And I see the birthday balloon.

It was shaped like a heart, laying on the ground next to the base of that tree right behind at the base of the X formation.

And I looked down at it and it looked like it was on the ground and it looked like somebody either put their fist or their hand in the middle of the birthday balloon and tried to deflate it, because I could see the appearance that was like flattened in the middle, but the outside of it still had air in it, and the ribbon was gone, and I'm going, wow, so they're messing with it or something did that.

So I went to pick up the balloon and under the balloon was the blue Smiley Face chip.

They hid under the balloon, right in the center.

So I picked it up and I go, oh, smiley face hiding under the balloon.

The impression I got from that was like, hey, we like watching you, and we're hiding as we watch you.

That was my understanding of it.

And then I thought they took the lanyard or they' ribbing from the balloon that was missing.

So I left it all there.

I put the balloon back, and I thought, that is weird, and that keep encountering this kind of behavior.

Another day I brought in I went to hobby lobby.

You know how you can buy the inflatable letters for like your kid's birthdays.

I found a gold inflatable big X made out of that mile our stuff, right.

So I went to another I had like a two or three different drifting spots all in this conservation area, this forest preserve.

So I went to the second spot I had, and it's a down tree with the rootball, this big rootball next to a creek bed and the tree was probably two and a half three feet in diameter.

It's laying down there.

You're right where the riotball was laid.

This X right down next to the tree.

Side of the rootball, pretty well hidden.

You can come from all four directions and you're not going to see that X until you get right up on that root ball.

I had it pretty well hidden in there.

I came back a week and a half later.

About a week and a half to two weeks later, the X was gone and a really nice looking walking stick was laid where my ex was.

So I took the walking stick home with me.

Another time I go down there with my wife.

We go down the trailhead just a way.

It didn't go very far.

I took her to the spot where you go down to wy and I said, the creek's right there, and then we turned around to come back.

We got back out to the parking lot.

While we were gone, two walking sticks were leaned up at the trailhead that were not there when we entered.

We were only down there for we're only gone for maybe a half hour.

I first dismissed it, and I said, oh, maybe I didn't see those coming in, And Becky goes, no, there was a short one perfect for her.

She's four foot ten, and then there was one for a person my height.

So you know, if you hold your put your elbow at a ninety degree angle, that's how I measure a walking stick.

The height of it was about that height for me, and then she had a shorter one.

So again this is all assumption on my part, but this keeps happening with frequency.

That my number one hot spot.

I'm sure they know me by now, and I get activity when I go down there and I play music and they react usually they react when I quit playing the music.

So that that was in the area where I had to stick to asta at me.

And then I have a video in that same spot where I actually recorded a rock throw.

It was on a scrub through of a video I had done months earlier, probably half year earlier, and I'd forgotten about it, and I scrubbed through the video and it shows me taking the right turn at that why to go down where I left the pumpkins, and I was filming down the trail, but I had looked to either I believe I looked to my left or my right, and when I did that, I heard something go right past me and I at that point, I believe I turned around.

I realized something had been thrown, never even thought I caught it.

Later on I scrubbed through that six months later.

There's a golf ball sized rock shooting from right to left at high speed.

So I slowed it down to quarter speed and it's pretty obvious what it is, and I submitted it to a couple of people that do big put research and they go, you, it is an actual rock throw, and it almost reminds me of how Sundy would throw something sidearm, a sidearm pitch like a softball.

It was like side arm or even under arm.

If it was overhead, they wouldn't need to throw it overhead anyhow.

I think this thing was in the brush off the trail, either done on all fours or at least crouched down, and it threw it sidearm, is my assumption.

But I caught that on video and that's I think that video is titled rock throw recorded or something of that nature.

You'll have to us.

I mean, they'll link to that one so I can include it down in the show descriptions.

Everybody can check it out.

Yeah, I'll send it to your well, I could put it in your message for Hygi.

Okay, yeah, that'd be perfect.

Hold on tight, guys, this is our last break, so stay tuned and we are back to the show.

Let's hop right in and I guess kind of starting to wrap up somewhat towards the end, and hopefully I'm not cutting you off or anything like that.

I just got to work in the morning.

It's getting a little bit late.

But i'd definitely love to have you come back on again, hopefully sooner rather than later this time, because I know we still have a lot of different stuff to talk about, because we touch base on like ten different subjects through this conversation today.

So, but if you're going to leave the listeners with some words of wisdom today, what might it be.

Don't take your life too serious, try to have fun when it's appropriate and enjoy life.

And so don't take yourself too seriously.

And I could also say be aware that everybody has a different perspective on things, and it's always good to step back and let other people tell you what they either hear or see, which many times will help tremendously when you're whether you're building something or doing research, it's always great to have another informed opinion or a perspective from another person.

I cannot nobody can do it alone.

And the people that claim they can do it alone, sad they get disappointed because you're basically working within your own echo chamber when you do things alone.

Oh yeah, I completely take people that don't agree with me too.

I always feel don't be afraid to make friends with people that don't agree on everything you say or do.

Sometimes it's better to have somebody who disagrees with you because they're not afraid to tell you the truth.

Ain't that the truth?

And I mean that's kind of like the foundation of a lot of what I do for the show is the whole idea of I want to try to collect as many perspectives on as many different things as possible to hopefully find that meeting point in the middle, because, like you said, if you do a lot of research on your own, you get stuck in your own echo chamber.

But you know, if you're hearing a bunch of different people's versions of what they think at how reality functions, if're hearing a bunch of different people's ideas of sasquash research, paranormal research, all of that, then it gives you a better spot to kind of find some middle ground amongst all of it, to kind of build yourself a foundation to know where to keep continuing at.

Because there's stuff you'll hear just one person say, and then there's stuff you're here ten different people say, with ten different perspectives and if that's the case, then that's probably something to hold on to you right there.

Oh yes, definitely.

And it also give you confirmation, oh yeah, what you're doing, you're on the correct path.

Because if you get that confirmation from different people with different outlooks and perspective and you find out, oh they're confirming the evidence or even my personal experience, then you've got meat on the bone.

You got something to work with because that confirmation is it's always great to get a corroboration.

And if you and there's people out there that are under the radar, do research on their own, it just don't go public with it.

And those are some of the people I deal with.

And Ricardo's one of them.

He told me one day, he says, hey, I'm here to here.

We disagree a lot a lot of stuff, and he told me, he says, he says he was more concerned about bigfoot than dogmen.

He's not afraid of dogmen.

To him, are not that fearful thing that you hear about.

He says.

There, he says, bigfoot that are like people.

They have attitudes, some don't, some are assholes, some aren't.

He says, they're just like our population of people.

So you always hope you get a group that haven't been shot at, picked on, heard, or members of their group killed.

And so far I've been fortunate that way.

I've seen him five or six times during the night with my naked eye and with cameras.

So it's what else can I say?

People, If you're interested, look into it for yourself, confirm it for yourself.

That's another thing I think unwise old man told me once.

He said, if you want to find out, go out for yourself and find out, be your own investigator.

If you're waiting for somebody to serve it up on a silver platter, you'll know nothing.

All you'll know is lies.

Yep.

And I mean honestly, Following what other people are saying is almost like forming another whole belief system.

Like the only way you can really get to the root and the answer of anything is if you figure it out or see it react, or see it happen.

Yourself exactly exactly.

And if anybody wanted to come and check out all of your awesome videos, all of your awesome research, or do any of that type of stuff, or even contact you, possibly about some of their own personal Squatch Experiences or anything like that.

Where can people come and get a hold of you on the internet, man.

Yeah, you contact me through my email.

It's d Schneider spelled s e hn e I d e r A you see on the screen.

It's de Schneider four fifty four at gmail dot com.

My YouTube channel is unacknowledged and unknown on YouTube.

And you can find me on Rumble at you and You fifty two one word You and You fifty two on Rumble.

And you can find me on Instagram at unacknowledged and unknown on Instagram.

So you can reach me you DM on any of those platforms or contact me through email.

So there you go.

Well, I will make sure I include all of those down in the show descriptions.

Everybody can find it quick and easy and as usual, don I really appreciate you making the time to come on sharing all of your personal insight and knowledge on all these different topics.

And as usual, Man, I'm always looking forward to next time, Man, the next time we get to chat.

It's been my pleasure, man, thanks for having me on.

It's been an experience and an honor.

If anyone would like to get in touch with me for any reason whatsoever.

You guys can do so through email, which is increase of our reality podcast at outlook dot com, or through social media.

Instagram and Facebook are the two that I am the most active on where you guys can also get a hold of me through the submission form which is available up at the top of the link tree.

And the last way you guys can get a hold of me is through the hotline and that number is three one, three through six, four one, five, five to one, and you guys can text or call that twenty four to seven if you happen to miss any of that.

It is all available off of the link tree which is available down in that show description.

And with that, hope you guys enjoyed the conversation.

Hope today's show is connected some dots in your own reality.

I don't catch you guys on the next one.

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