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Now Hear This: SEALs on Ground in Venezuela … since August.

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This is black Man's spy.

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Hi, this is Malcolm Nance.

I would say welcome to black Man's Spy, but I really don't want to do this video.

I have to do this video because a few days ago I posted a video about carrying out illegal orders and how we should not be encouraging members of the armed forces to do anything that violates international treaties.

By the way, when the United States signed those they have the force of law in the United States, the Uniform Code of Military Justice, the Geneva Convention of nineteen forty nine, or any other law which prohibits the carrying out of war crimes.

Well, as we say in the intelligence world, I and my video and the statements which came from the six representatives and senators led by Captain Mark Kelly, former astronaut, have been obe what's obe Malcolm overtaken by events because it turns out the illegal orders had already been given on the first day of the first boat strikes against people coming from Venezuela, as you recall, on September two, and I thought this was a really suspicious activity that we carried out.

Eleven passengers were on a Ponga boat that was going from the Venezuelan coast to a very short trip to Trinidad and Tobago.

Now Secretary of Defense, as the law states his title is Pete Hegseath announced that they had carried out an attack on a drug smuggling boat and had killed eleven passengers.

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Now, for those of us who.

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Have been in the intelligence community, especially in the maritime environment, and if you're talking about a small craft that is transitting with large quantities of drugs, you generally don't have eleven passengers on board.

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The mother of one of.

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The two Trinidadian men that they know were killed in the attack said her son was a laborer who would go there for a few weeks at a time, make money and come back on.

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These water taxis.

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Now we don't know, because the vessel was destroyed and everyone was killed.

Now we're finding out from the Washington Post that that attack, which was carried out by a US Air Force Special Operations Command AC one thirty gunship known as the Ghost Riders, carried out a small missile attack on that vessel at the command of the Secretary of Defense, who passed it down through not the theater Commander, Admiral Alvin Holsey of the US Southern Command, the man who theoretically is in charge of everything south of the United States border to Antarctica.

No, President Trump and his infinite wisdom decided to put the entire Caribbean mission under the US Special Operations Command.

Now that includes an aircraft carrier, over a dozen warships carrying hundreds of cruise missiles, no less than two nuclear submarines, an amphibious task force were two thy five hundred marines, B fifty two B one bombers are now being commanded.

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Not by a four star.

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Admiral who is responsible for that theater, who speaks the language, who has been in cooperation, in communication with all of these Latin American nations know they put it under a man named Admiral Bradley, who is the deputy US Special Operations Command, and he is the unseen commander for Operation Southern Spear.

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Mind boggling.

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Because it appears that after the intelligence at the Presidential Finding was signed in July, that the US Special Operations Command started deploying in August.

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We saw all of those signs.

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We saw the vessels move down there, including a Special Operations amphibious transport helicopters, from the one hundred and sixtieth Special Operations Aviation Regiment, the Knights Stalkers.

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We saw it all coming.

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This attack on September two, though in the Washington Post, is unique.

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In that one.

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There is a lot of question about the legality of any of these attacks.

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The United States is not at war.

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You cannot just declare any small craft in Latin America as a terrorist because there is no terrorism that's being carried out.

They are saying the United States is being attacked by.

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Drugs coming from Latin America.

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Well, ninety percent of those drugs come from Columbia, Ecuador, and go up through the Pacific coast and along the Caribbean coast to Mexico.

Colombia is not one of the major transhipment points.

President Trump said he was to stop fetanyl.

Ninety nine percent of fetanyl comes through Mexico via China, and an enormous quantity of it comes from US hospitals.

That attack on September two has an enormous amount of illegality, or let me rephrase that, legal questions around it, because there is no precedence to just start attacking people by saying I declare.

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You a terrorist.

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I'm gonna kill you when no precipitating event, no act of terrorism has ever been carried out against the United States.

Their argument is they're sending drugs that kills Americans, therefore they're terrorist and we could kill.

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Them at the source.

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No, that was a Tom Clancy novel called a Clear and Present danger.

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You cannot just kill people.

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Down in Latin America because they may be involved in an illicit activity.

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If that's the cause.

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If that's the case, then are we going to start summarily executing drug dealers on the streets of the United States or exumarily executing Americans who are using drugs, because that is the source of all of this.

Americans desire and need for those drugs the real problem game when it turns out, and this offends me greatly as a career sailor from a very large Navy family, that two people survived the initial attack and were shipwrecked means the vessel was destroyed.

They were on a piece of debris which was still smoking, and on the orders of Secretary of defend Pete Hegseth, Admiral Bradley authorized the gunship to fire a second missile and kill those two people who were cast out into the ocean.

That's murder.

And there's a reason for that.

I am a sailor.

I was a career sailor my whole life.

I spent an enormous amount of time on ships, even though I was never permanently assigned one due to the nature of my intelligence activity.

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But I remember a few things.

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First off, the United States Department of Defense Manual for Law of War, under section eighteen dot three dot two dot one states that you cannot you are obligated to disobey an unlawful order when it is given, especially in order in which a reasonable person would view.

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What you did as a crime.

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The first example that's listed in the US Manual for Laws of War for illegal actions is, let me read it, orders where you fire upon shipped wrecked people.

That's the example that is in the US Department of Defense Manual on the Law of War.

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And there's a reason for this.

Turns out there's a history behind it.

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In World War Two, a U boat commander, commander of the U boat eight point fifty two, Captain luytenet Heinz Wilhelm.

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Echt, carrying out what was called the Laconia Order, which was based on a British ship which a German submarine sank.

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It had eleven hundred or more survivors.

The German U boats surfaced and tried to save some of the survivors and were subsequently attacked, and Admiral Carl Donetz of the German Navy ordered Nazi submarines were to never pick up survivors anymore.

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So ef took that one step further.

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Based on what he was told by the commander, he thought his mission, which was going into the Inotia, was so secret he decided after sinking the Greek merchantman Pelius Captain Act decided he would have his senior officers come on the main deck with machine guns and hand grenades, and he killed all the survivors he could find in the water, who were drifting on wood, or who were manned lifeboats, or who were in life preservers.

He shot them all dead and threw hand grenades at them.

Now, his defense was that his mission was so secret he couldn't allow it to get out, and that the debris would tell the British there was a submarine operating there, so he was only sinking the debris.

When he machine gunned all the servivibors.

Three out of thirty five of the crew that went into the water survived the massacre by the Nazis.

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So what was the result of this?

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After World War Two, Captain Ack was executed after being found guilty of crimes against.

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Humanity, violating the laws of war.

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Listen, no one is calling for US commanders to be tried and executed.

What we're saying here is there's a reason we do not follow illegal orders.

Where were the senior enlisted in this chain of command?

Who should have said, adbro woah, woah, let's take a look at this.

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These men are shipwrecked.

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We can send a helicopter out to recover them, see if we can get any intelligence out of them.

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They decided to go through with the kill them all order and he did.

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That tells me that this mission isn't about stopping drugs.

It's about the entertainment of murder.

And in the twenty years that I spent in the Navy, I wouldn't have tolerated this for one second.

I would have been the guy to break that chain of command of orders to go, hey, whoa sorry, you're violating the laws of war.

That what you're doing is you are ordering people to commit murder.

Absolutely, just do not understand that at all.

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Tell you a simple story.

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In nineteen eighty eight, I was a border US cruiser and we were in a guided missile battle with an Iranian warship.

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We sank that ship and its fifty eight crew.

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But the first thing our captain did after we completed that action was to send the helicopter over to see if there were survivors, to see if he had to rescue anybody.

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Because now law of the sea applied.

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And for those of you who say there's no such thing as law of the sea, law of the sea is a series of norms, customs, treaties and orders which are all enshrined in the United Nations Law of the Sea Charter.

You can go read yourself about the behavior of sailors when other sailors are in distress or shipwrecked.

And shipwreck means any person who has lost buoyancy on their vessel that is not a submarine and has found themselves stranded in the water.

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That is what shipwreck means.

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We cannot do this again, Pete Hegseth needs to be held to account.

And I don't mean fired, Yes, firing job one.

Donald Trump's not gonna do that.

He never admits fault.

We are now murdering people, and we're happy about it because it provides the entertainment of those videos of the boats burning with people to death in them in a conflict that no one has recognized.

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But the Geneva Convention makes it clear.

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Even if one side does not recognize this of an armed conflict, the Geneva Convention applies to all combatants and non combatants.

A person in a small craft without weapons who is doing an illegal activity is not a combatant under the Geneva Convention.

No matter how hard you try to say the drugs are the weapons, they are not those a little pangle.

Boats cannot go to the United States.

They can barely make it past the Grenadines.

Some people say, well, if you put enough fuel on there, you can make it to Puerto Rico.

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But most drugs go straight to Panama, Honduras.

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El Salvador, Mexico, then cross into the United States.

Because the demand for drugs is so high in the United States.

Cocaine Columbia mainly tranships it's drugs to Europe.

Spain is the primary recipient.

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Not the the United States.

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This is all being based on a lot and I'm gonna say it.

I've never used these words in my entire life.

This is a war that they are trying to provoke to get oil.

Venezuela has the largest oil reserves in the world.

We are likely going to be at war in a week unless something throws us off this track.

Maduro is not gonna resign.

He has one hundred thousand man army.

He can bring up the five hundred thousand men and women with rifles as militiamen, and they can hunt down marine reconnaissance and seals who are on the ground in their country.

God forbid, we have some tragedy where we lose service members due to this stupidity.

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That's all I'm gonna say about that.

But here we are.

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Didn't take much time to be overtaken by events to find out that there was a reason that that video was put out.

This administration is fucking lawless and they need to be brought to account.

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