We've got cosmic spiritual warfare between God and the forces of the evil.

Most Christians have a pretty good idea of the history of Israel up to seventy eight, but after that it just drops off the table.

And that's one of the big problems.

We barkat the Ruvot.

In one point thirty five, when that was defeated by the Romans, Emperor Hadrian said, I've had enough of these people.

I'm done with them.

So they plowed the city of Jerusalem under and he renamed Jerusalem Aleiah capital Alena, and also named the region Palestine.

It was actually named after the Philistines to get rid of the Jewishness of the area.

Welcome to the War Room.

My name's Kyle milholland thank you for joining me on the Word at War.

My guest on the show today is biblical research or teacher and author mac Dominic and we're going to be discussing his book, Cosmic Conflict, Jerusalem Versus Babylon takes readers on a journey through time, incorporating theology, history, and geopolitics at tracing the flow of this cosmic war from the Garden of Eden to today's Middle East conflicts.

Fairly relevant.

I would say anti Semitism and global politics are also a part of the book, and we're going to get into that a little bit today.

Is how all that ties.

Together along the way in the book, readers will be urged to not just observe, but to become soldiers in the battle for righteousness.

It isn't just a retelling of biblical events.

It's a call to arms.

So that is the Amazon excerpt from his book, Cosmic Conflicts.

So I'm excited today to talk to my new friend Mac Dominic.

Mac.

Thanks for joining me, man.

Oh, thank you, Kyl.

It is such a pleasure.

Yeah, brother, we were talking a little before we hit record, and I'm really excited to get into this today because you know, you do such a good job of highlighting this ancient story that we can read in the Bible, but you do it in a way to tie it into and there's a lot of threads to that, right, a lot of threads that need to be woken together in order to get to today, because we're covering thousands of years of history and you did such a beautiful job of that.

And I can't encourage everyone highly enough to go pick up a copy of your book, and you're gonna hear me say that a few times during this show.

So, but you know, getting to where we kind of end the Bible just to kind of set all this flow of conversation up today, you know, we have all the way until you know Jesus's time, and then you know, I think the latest thing that we have, according to historians, is the Book of Revelation, which was written around ninety a D.

And we have seventy a D.

Which Christ kind of highlights during his time with the destruction of Jerusalem, but really after that, you know, the thing that the book does a beautiful job of is catching us up on the history.

Was great for me, catching us up on the history from that time in seventy a d.

And all the things that have led up to today, and that history is so critically important to understand the politics of today.

You know, any any person that has a desire to be stupid and wants to go and get a flag and your yay Palestine, let's create the mistate probably suffers from a lack of understanding of history.

We're going to get into that.

Yeah, they have no understanding at all of what really.

Happened zero yeah, or you know some of the groups, like you know, you had made a mention for you know, in the book Queers for Palestine, the lunacy of that thinking, because they will literally kill you, you know, the religious extremists.

And again we'll get into this as we kind of travel through, you know, kind of highlight points of the book.

Near the you know, end of the book, we get more into that because it's more modern day.

But you know, the militants have been the one that have completely taken over in every situation where there's been any attempt at some kind of second state.

It seems like that's right.

Well, you know, as Chuck Missler said so many times, Palestinians never miss an opportunity, to miss an opportunity.

Yeah, that was that was the book.

I love enjoyed reading that.

It's very true.

Yeah, man, So you know, before we get started on this journey, I do want to highlight you and just kind of share your story man.

You know.

So the beautiful thing about this, just to kind of set it up for everybody, is I met Mac at a conference that was actually on the north side of Indianapolis.

So it's the Mysteries of the Bible verse conference.

I would highly encourage everybody to go check that out as well.

It travels around from year to year, so get your tickets for next year.

And you know, it was fun because one of the things he said was this all really started off is kind of a Sunday School study.

Ultimately it's route So Mac please do share your histor there and a little bit more of that story.

Well, let's start at the beginning.

I was born again as an eighteen year old, and when and I went off to Christian College.

And when I graduated, my pastor immediately said, oh, you're a Christian college graduate, you need to be teaching Sunday school.

So I began as a Sunday school teacher at age twenty one, and I've been teaching Sunday school ever since.

I started with I started with young people and I am now doing an adult class and it's really the highlight of my week to teach Sunday school.

I am called of God to be a Sunday school teacher, and I believe that every Sunday school teacher should be called to that job and not just you know, doing it or going through a workbook or whatever.

So you know, I my Sunday school class is a little bit different.

It is.

I'm not everybody's cup of tea, because we make people think, and that's the goal is to is to let people think about the Word of God and meditate on the Word of God and see what they've missed all their life.

Because unfortunately, in my opinion, and I hate to say things like this, but in most Bible believing churches that I've been in all my life, the adult sundayschool classes are about on a third grade level.

We hear stories that we've heard over and over again, and people learn little to nothing, and so we try to make our class more interesting, more in depth.

Most people tell me it's more like a college level course, but a lot of people don't want that, you know.

I'll give you one example.

I had a lady back a few years ago.

She had been to my class for two Sundays, and she came up to me after the class and said, you know, you're really a good teacher, but this is just too much for me right now.

I've got too much going on in my life to put all this mind space into understanding what we're talking about here.

And you know, I, you know, I wasn't.

I was okay with that because if she came to me and said, well, because if you talked, I'm leaving the church, that's one thing.

But she just left the class and so and so that's kind of where we are and we uh and so I've been doing this for a long time, over fifty years now, and this book is actually my Sunday School lesson from last year.

I happened to be up at Southwest Radio doing something with the guys, and I was showing him the PowerPoint.

This is a I think it's four hundred and eighty PowerPoint slides in the lesson and.

Chunky, yeah, a little chunky.

And I was showing some of the slides to Micah and Clayton and some of the guys up there, and Matthew Hill came in and said, hey, this is good stuff.

Can you turn this into a book?

That was of last first of June last year?

And I said, yeah, I think I can because I've basically done all the research.

He said, good, can you get me a book uh to our printing press by September first?

Uh?

And I said, I don't know, but I did, and so that and I and I fortunately uh I am retired, and so I was.

I spent ten to twelve hours a day.

I discovered that, you know, getting up and teaching is one thing, but when you have to document, footnote, reference everything, that's that was the biggest job of putting out the book because I had, you know, I had all the research done, I had all the pros pretty much in my head.

But boy, getting the references right.

It's easy to get up and say, well, Chuck Messinger said this, but when did he say it, where did he say it?

Did he write it?

What?

You know?

And those types of things absolutely were the were the big part of producing this.

But but I put it out.

I did it in three months or four months whatever, June June until the end of August.

I finished up right around September first, got it to them and they printed it, and we got and we had it ready for a conference where they wanted to introduce it.

So that's that's how that went.

But I've been doing this, I've been printing, I've been teaching Sunday School.

That's basically what I am.

I'm not.

I don't see myself as a great Bible scholar.

I am a The Lord has blessed me, and I ask for illumination, and I asked the Father to lead me into all truth so I can find the truth and convey it to others.

But I am more of a I guess what you call a systems integrator.

I take all of all of the truth that the Lord leads me to and I try to put it together in a form that would be beneficial to my Sunday school class and anyone else who would like to listen, that we can learn more and get closer to the Lord and get more in depth in his word.

And that's who I am and what I do.

Yeah, man, that's beautifully said.

And you definitely have the heart of a teacher.

There's no doubt about that.

It came very clear to me when I saw you speak at the conference and even more so when I read the book.

You know, because I'm wired a lot like you are.

You know, I have a heart and a passion for God's Word that finally came alive in me about age forty.

And I just love to teach people, man, because I love to see them.

I want to watch someone else experience those light bulb moments that I had.

You know, I think that's so amazing to have that happening.

It is.

And if I can take one more minute and give one more illustration here, I think it would I think it would help you mentioned age forty, I had the same thing happen about age forty.

Now I'm now seventy three, so it's just quite a number of years ago.

But in age forty, my son was going to a private Christian school and my son and daughter were both going to this Robert Christian School.

And we had a young man and his wife that were missionaries that were going to a university that happened to me where the high school was at the same place, and they were carpooling.

We were carpooling with them, and they would take my son and daughter to school.

And when they graduated university and they went in full time with Child of Angelism Fellowship, they would use our house as a base of operation when they go out on deputation to raise support to do their mission work with Child of Angelism Fellowship.

And I was about forty years old and I had been here again.

I've been teaching Sunday School at this point for nineteen years, and this guy left this book laying around my house by a lady by the name of Johanna Michaelson, and the name of the book was like Lambs to the Slaughter, and it was it is a book about the effect of the New Age Movement owned school children.

And of course in nineteen ninety this has just really been rolling up since about nineteen eighty, so it was a little bit more of a current event than it is now.

But I picked that book up and started reading it because it just was laying around my house.

And the book was very interesting.

But you know, I live in South Carolina, and it was about what was happening in the schools and everywhere, the effect of the New Age movement on children, and I'm like, well, this is happening in California somewhere, not here.

This is the Bible Belt for after all.

But the really interesting part of the book that really got my attention was there were appendixes in the back where she wrote about the beliefs and the quotes of the people that were actually involved in the New Age movement, David Spangler and people such as that that were espousing these philosophies and doctrines.

And it blew me away because I've always been interested in Bible prophecy, and reading those appendances was like reading Bible prophecy from the opposite perspective.

It was as if Satan was saying, Okay, this is what is going to happen, and this is how I'm going to accomplish it.

And that blew me away.

So I decided that since I didn't know anything about any of this stuff, I was going to do a two week series on the New Age movement for my adult Sunday school class that I was teaching at the time.

And so I did my first lesson and after Sunday school, between Sunday School and the worship service, people in my class came up to me and said, Mac, this is what they're teaching our kids in school.

We didn't know what it was, but it's exactly what you told us this morning in class.

And that broke my heart.

And I was sitting there before church and I was and I was praying.

I said, Lord, someone's got to tell these people what's going on.

And the Holy Spirit seemed to say say to me, not an audible voice, no Isaiah moment where or Ezekiel moment where he's spoke in a still small voice, but in my heart, the Lord seemed to say to me, yes, and you're going to do it.

And I was never so driven to do anything in my life.

And I started researching the New Age movement.

And when you start researching the New Age Movement, you get into pagan religions, new world order, all kinds of things that you didn't even realize was happening in the world, you know.

And so that's how I got really on the path that I've been on for the last thirty three years, was because that influenced me greatly.

We had a gentleman here in South Carolina by the name Mike Fair.

He was a state representative.

He had introduced an anti New Age teaching bill in the state legislature.

It didn't it didn't pass.

But what I had what I always did when I started reading people's names like this, I called Mike Fair up and on the phone and I said, Representative Fair, can you help me with this?

He said, I can more than help you.

He said, if you if you're interested in teaching and learning about the New Age Movement, I've got a banker's box full of stuff here in my office.

Come on down here and I'll give it to you, and so he had all this research information and I went through that, and I found other names and started calling those people up and got and got into a network to learn more about it, where I had, you know, have to way to you what I was talking about basically.

And it was a very enlightening period of time.

My friends thought I'd lost my mind.

I had my nose stuck in a book all the time.

But you know, and and my family, fortunately they you know, they were willing to put up with my eccentric, eccentric behavior, and and I and we produced some articles and things along those lines with the New Age.

But that's how I met the people that would eventually lead to my coming in contact with Southwest and the publishing of this book.

Wow, and funny how God puts the stones in the creek it is, you know, to guide you across.

It's amazing.

No, everything is intentional.

And it's funny too, because everything that has happened in your past God will use for your president and your future.

You know, as abstract as it seems to you in the moment, God will use it for his glory if you let him do that, and you truly turn your life over to him.

And that there are you highlighted beautifully the excerpt that I'd asked you if I could read, And I'll get to that in a second, but before we do that, I want to dive into this.

I hadn't plan on this, but I think it's important and I want to dive into it a little bit more.

Highlight some of the basic precepts of the New Age Movement for someone who is not familiar with this, so that because you know, obviously there's gonna be a lot of people listening to this that have children and have young children.

So I think it's really important for us to talk about.

This, Okay.

Uh.

The New Age Movement began really in the late seventies.

In nineteen eighty I think or eighty one, I can't remember the year.

Marilyn Ferguson published a book that became the New Age Bible, but it was a it was a major work that really spurred a lot of a lot of this.

Maybe you can look it up and find anywhere.

Her name is Marilyn Ferguson, and she and she became the pros of the New Age.

In a nutshell, the New Age movement teaches that we are all really gods that you are God, I am God.

It's monistic.

It's Pane's monistic.

Pantheism is what it is.

And it infiltrated everything.

And you see it, and we saw it illustrated in the schools with teachers setting up meditation chambers.

Transcendental meditation was a way to contact your spirit God.

You listen to your spirit God, and your spirit God directed your life.

And the only thing this was doing to people, it was putting them into contact with demonic forces or the old gods.

Really one or the other.

Demons and angels are different.

I don't know how many people realize that.

But fallen demons are not fallen angels.

But demons dwell in the spiritual realm, and they have a big effect because they're always looking for a body to him to possess.

Fallen angels can embody anytime, they won't.

That's the that's the big difference.

But but it led people into direct contact on a massive level with with the demonic uh.

And you had people like the Beatles who introduced the marishi uh into the into the United States.

The Yogi what is Mauritia Yogi?

I can't remember his name, but they but they brought him in and they brought Eastern religion into the into the culture, into the hippie culture of the United States in the nineteen sixties.

Uh.

And so we see that the hippie culture was not just a rebellion against the against society, it was also a religious movement.

Uh.

And then when you get the drugs involved, because the way to ad access to your spirit God is meditation, hypnosis, and drugs and hallucinogenic drugs was was a were a big deal in getting people in contact with the spirit world and all of that was linked to the New Age movement.

And that's and it had such a huge effect on our culture because we saw it in we saw it in politics, we saw it, we see it all over.

And you have these people that that came along and some of the notable names, you know, Charles Manson for instance, in the Manson family that was a New Age drug fest.

Those those people in the Manson family thought Charlie was was Christ because he said he was God and he was the Christ.

And they look at the and they don't when they use that terminology the Christ, they're not talking about Jesus Christ.

They're talking about a Christ spirit which was which which?

Uh?

The new Ager said Jesus had, Buddha had and other people that actually ascended to that level.

And Charles Manson was one of the same ones.

He thought he was.

He had the christ spirit and that's how he got all those people to follow him.

It was a demonic culture that that he created there uh and spawn ranch uh and and that's just one prime example of how all that can go south for everybody and for innocent people.

But that's but that's the danger.

But when you get into when you had teachers teaching children how to meditate and get in contact with their spirit God.

That's what was going on in the schools.

That was going on in the schools right here locally we found teachers that were putting meditation chambers in the classroom uh and uh.

And they were claiming to be good Christian people, but they were they were doing it under the guise of Christianity, because after all, Jesus was a christ figure.

And so that's and that's what that's what went on uh in the uh in in that culture, and it threat spent spread through modern culture.

And you know, anyone, the problem we have now is the people that are my age or maybe a little older, who were involved in hallucig illucigens uh in uh, massive marijuana use and all of that.

And you don't and don't believe that I smoked but I didn't inhale.

Uh mister Clinton, remember remember that Bill Clinton said, Yeah, I smoke marijuana, but I never inhale those those people and you and you look at and you look at the people that were involved uh with uh with all of these movements and uh, and it got into the political room world.

They were Barack Obama's buddies and all of these people uh that did this, and they became they came under the direct influence of the demonic and all of a sudden they the the hippie culture and the New Age movement morphed into this uh behind the scenes deal where these people didn't give up on their plans to lead America to a new world order and and all of those things that went right along with it.

They became teachers, politicians, and journalists.

And that's and that's the problem.

That's why we're facing the problems we're faced today.

Yeah, no, that's that's absolutely true.

It's just like you know, the the it's this Babylonian spirit.

And it's just funny because that's that's exactly what it is, and that's exactly what all of this discussion is.

And it's so funny.

It's really when you when you talk about the essence.

Of spiritual warfare, which is obviously what my big passion is, and I think anybody that gets into the Word of God recognizes that spiritual warfare at the heart of everything we experience, even in the physical world.

Right, it's always comes back to spiritual warfare.

And you know, there are three seminal events that I feel like are huge components to that, and it's the third event, the Babylonian event.

The first would be the Garden, second would be Genesis six.

The third event would be Babylonia and a Nimrod and the Tower of Babbel, which is exactly what we're talking about today.

And we're going to get into more in detail all of these things.

But you can see already Mac has done a beautiful job of, you know, kind of highlighting how this spirit is still alive and well and has only morphed through time.

They have just adjusted tactics, that's all this is.

So the tactics might change, but the spirit of this is still alive.

And I did look it up just for everybody's information.

So the Beatles guru was mash Maharishi Mahesh was his name, Yes, And then Marilyn Ferguson.

There are two two things that probably you were referencing.

One is her first book that I think really came out in the seventies that started some of this, was The Brain Revolution.

Yeah, it was the second one.

And the second one was the Aquarium Conspiracy.

Conspiracy?

How could I forget that?

Yep?

So there you go, easy, easy to forget, and everyone should I just I just.

I just need about another gig a ram in my head and I'd be great.

Bro, It is not you man.

We got a lot going on in this life, in this world, So don't feel bad, man, I would fall victim to the same thing sometimes.

But we do have the we do have the use of tools today that we did not have us several years ago, which is beautiful, right, right, So but there you go, So yeah, talking about all of this, and you know, we kind of need to rewind a little bit and let's let's do some setup of what we're actually talking about here.

So we do I think I've kind of already mentioned here, and I guess before I do that one of the things you had said earlier that I just wanted to read this excerpt because I said it would come back to it that I think is really important for where we are as a church, because you had made mentioned earlier that the church at large, not every church.

I'm not trying to say every church, but the church as a body in America especially, but I think it could really goes beyond just America is pretty much dead from the heart up a lot of times, and definitely the head when it comes to that depth of spiritual warfare.

And instead of people setting aside, you know, their desire to dogmatically follow whatever they're taught and read for themselves and actually have a relationship with God and dive into the word, they do just cling on to that dogma and it creates enormous problems.

And we kind of get the Ostrich effect from that, where people just stick their head in the sand and they pretend that, you know, there's nothing going on.

And this excerpt that you have in your book on page seventy six highlights this very well, and it reads as follows, if we as Christians do our homework and get past the shallowness that permeates the pulpits of Bible believing churches.

We must study to show ourselves approved, seek the truth, dismiss our preconceived notions, and cling to the text of the Word of God.

So one of those things that you did beautifully in here is, you know, is looking beyond the masoretic text and looking to the Septuagint and things like that to help us get a thorough understanding of God's words.

So but that verse right there, that passage rather highlights beautifully the heart of what we have, what we need to get to.

And where we are in America.

So I wanted to just share that.

But let's rewind things a little bit and kind of go back to Babylon right the third event and after the flood, that is monumentally huge in this cosmic war, this cosmic conflict between the forces of evil and God, and you know, just kind of highlight that if you would, and some of the things that you know the importance of that event in Babylonia in general.

Okay, first of all, let me excuse me, let me let me say that a lot of my information on Babylon on the Table of Babylon as such came from doctor Michael Heiser.

His teaching opened my eyes to that situation much more than I had realized.

Now I had a basic understanding of it, and I basically agreed with what he said before I studied what he had, what he taught, And and I did not agree with doctor Heiser on everything I you know, I don't agree with myself on everything I think.

But but you know.

We but we have to take all teaching, whether I teach it, whether my pastor teaches it, whether Kyle speaks about something.

We have to take everything and compare it to the Word of God and be good Bereans and go back and study it for ourselves and let the Holy Spirit speak to each one of us individually.

So I wanted to preface anything I say with that, because and I will try to in the course of this conversation, as I did in the book, anything that is my opinion, I will state it as my opinion.

And so you can't you can't take my opinion as scripture or absolute truth.

But we can take scripture as absolute truth.

And so we need to take these opinions compare them to scripture and then go from that point.

So with that said, I believe that the Tower of Babbel was a extremely important event and a seminal event over human history that affects us today in such a way that most Christians have no concept of.

And let's let's kind of start from the beginning with it, so I don't get confused or ahead of myself.

Here, we know the Bible speaks of Nimrod and the Tower of Babbel.

Now, the Bible does not say explicitly that Nimrod built the Tower of Babel, but the implication is certainly there.

Now, Josipha said, Nimrod built the tower, was the building, was the leader of the of the Tower of Babel.

The Book of Jasher says that there are other legends in other cultures that speak of all this.

But the let's be clear, the Bible does not say in black and white.

And I don't care if you're reading the Masoretic texts, the set to a Gent or the Samaritan Pentateuch, or whatever you're reading, it doesn't matter.

It does not say that Nimrod built the Tower of Babel, but Nimrod the implication is certainly there.

But here's here's what I believe, and I'm going to go by the set two age timeline.

And and that is a little bit of there's a little bit of debate that goes on in that, but I am I am convinced personally that the set Diaget time timeline is the correct timeline.

Here's the here's the thing.

Let's I want to get a little clarification on that.

And by the way, Kyle, I love to be able to do stuff like this, and I have more than forty five minutes.

Oh yeah, we can go as long as you are.

But well, in the conferences, we're limited to forty five, so we can't go in with this kind of details.

Yea.

And then they start they start kind of.

Exactly yeah, sometimes sometimes not so politely.

Oh but but but what we what we what we have to understand is that you you have this situation that occurred, and you have the set tage a timeline that says one thing, and you have the Massoretic text, which which is what we get most of our English translations from, that says something quite quite different.

Because the Tower of Babbel, according to the sept Tuagent timeline, would have had to have taken place somewhere between twenty nine hundred and thirty one hundred BC, So we can put it at, you know, twenty nine fifty if you want to, if you want to guestimate it, we can do it there.

Now in the Massoretic text, then you have to put the Tower of Babbel somewhere around twenty to twenty one hundred BC.

So you've got almost a millennium difference there.

And so the problem is when you start comparing the Massoretic and the sept Tuagent, you know, you have to understand that the set Tuigent was the translation that Jesus and his apostles used.

Okay, now they also had Hebrew texts, but the Greeks t Agent.

The world spoke Greek in the time of Jesus and the Apostles, and so the Greek scept Tuigent is the main text that they used the and it was it was composed starting about two fifty BC.

Is called the Septuagent because it was designates seventy seventy Jewish scholars were called Alexander by one of the Ptolonies to put out the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible.

Now, the Massoretic text was done by the mass of Rite scribes after the time of Christ.

It wasn't completed really till about one thousand AD, so you've got about twelve hundred twelve hundred year difference.

Now, older is not always better, but you have to feel, we have to feel and understand that the that the text that they used for the Greek sept Tuagent had to be a lot closer to the original Hebrew.

As a matter of fact, it may have then the exact text that Ezra and the scribes compiled there after the Babylonian after the Babylonian captivity.

But you know, in eighty seventy when the when the Jews the temple was sacked by the Romans, the original manuscripts that were kept in the temple were taken away by the Romans.

And we don't know where they went that We don't know if somebody's got them, or if they were destroyed or what happened.

But the original, what they call the vorlage of the Old Testament, was taken away by the Romans.

And now there were copies made and they were in the synagogues all around the region, but the original was lost and so we don't know.

We don't know whether this original was different from what they came up with the Masoretic, but we kind of think it was because the mass of Right scribes had an agenda, and their agenda was to get rid of Christian Chianity and have no Old Testament references to Jesus Christ.

Fortunately for us with our English Bibles, the translator, the original English translators realized a lot of this, and they used a lot of the septuage passages to translate our English Old Testament, But the timeline in the Book of Genesis and Genesis ten, in Genesis eleven was not something that they used because they went straight by the Massoretic timeline.

And basically the theory is is that the scribes changed the timeline in order to make shim Uh to be alive during the during the time of Abraham, so that shim could actually be Melchizedek, because you know, we know that in the New Testament, in the Book of Hebrews, we see that Jesus Christ is a high priest after the order of Melchizedek.

And so the the Jewish scribes and the Jewish folks at the at the at the gen mina school under a Rabbi Akiva, who put started putting all this together about one fifty or thereabouts a d.

When they started putting all this together, they had to make a melchizedek a a a Hebrew basically, and and they had to give him.

I had to give him authority because because the Psalms talk about a high priest after the order of Melchizedic, and then we have it in the Book of Hebrews, a high priest after the order of Melchizedic.

I believe, and many good Bible scholars believe, that Melchizedic was none other than a pre incarnate appearance of Jesus Christ.

So I said all that.

I said all that to say this.

I believe that the Jewish scribes altered the timeline, and that the timeline we see in the Greek Sceptu agent.

And the problem, and let me back up.

The problem is you've got the set Tu agent, you've got the Masoretic, and both of them can't be right.

Okay, you can't say that both are right.

So one has to be right and one has to be mistaken.

I believe one was intentionally altered.

So let's go back now, to three thousand.

If you say that the Tower of Babel event occurred somewhere around three thousand BC, that would put the flood about thirty two hundred BC.

And there are good Bible teachers and good Bible scholars that say, well, the Tower of Babel couldn't have been in Babylon as such, because Babylon didn't really appear in history till about twenty one hundred BC.

And that's exactly right.

Our first our first recording of Babylon in secular history is somewhere around twenty one hundred BC, after Sargon the Second Sargon the Great.

But I believe what they miss is the fact that when the Tower of Babyl was built and God stepped in and scattered the nations the city because the Bible says that Nimrod was they were building a city and a tower.

The city was deserted and atrophied.

It was deserted for a number of years and came back on the scene under the same name around twenty one hundred BC.

So I personally believe and this is my personal opinion, okay.

So, and there are a lot of people that are a lot smarter than I am that disagree with me, But I personally believe that Nimrod was the first king of Babylon.

He became own in legend in Babylonian legend as Marduk who and he was later elevated to a god after the time of Hamarubi.

But he was elevated as the first king of Babylon by Hamarubi, and then later than that he was worshiped during the time of Nebukanezer as a god.

But I believe that Nimrod was the first king of Babylon.

He built the city right after the flood.

They built the tower, and the tower was destroyed by God somewhere threey twenty nine fifty twenty nine hundred BC.

And I believe that's how it came down.

The city was deserted.

And there there's a scholar that talks about this and says, you know, the you have what was called what a seriology is called the Uruk expansion.

They said it took place around three thousand BC, and basically Mesopotamia was evacuated at that point in time.

It is quite an enigma for anyone that doesn't believe the word of God.

But quite honestly, if you take the Septuagic tomline, and you look at what happened at the Tower of Babel.

Mesopotamia was evacuated and deserted somewhere around three thousand to twenty nine hundred BC.

Why did that happen because God scattered the people based on changing of languages.

The city of Babylon itself was deserted, and they rebuilt on its foundations somewhere I believe it was mentioned again somewhere in some of the Chaldean writings, maybe around twenty five hundred is a small village, but it came back to prominence somewhere around twenty one hundred BC.

So you have all of that going on.

But the interesting thing here is in the passage right before the part that Kyle read in the book on page seventy six speaks about that, is that the is that the area was deserted around three thousand BC.

And guess what historical linguistics says that languages that appeared somewhere in different places on the earth somewhere around three thousand BC.

And so imagine that must be a coincidence, right, No, it's what happened.

It's what happened at Babble oh, and by the way, let me mention this.

We talk about this and I saw I'm sorry, I keep going off of rabbit trails.

There is so much to this that people don't understand because they haven't really dung into it.

But do you realize the word that we see in our in our English Bible for Babylon and the word that we see from Babel is exactly the same Hebrew word and it is only translated differently when the when the Bible talks about the towero of Babble.

So, quite honestly, and from and from the research that I did and what I put, what I transcribed into the book is there is no reason why the Tower of Babel should be called the Tower of Babel and not the Tower of Babel Babylon.

So because it is exactly the same word that is used for the city of Babylon in the Hebrew Bible some two hundred times, but it's the only translated Babel, I believe two or three times when it refers to the tower of Babbel.

So it is exactly the same word.

It was exactly the same city.

And I personally believe that when you study the history in the time I'm a nebicanzar and he talks about the Timannankey tower that was the Tower of Babel or what is more correctly termed the Tower of Babylon.

I don't know, I don't know how far you want me to go with this, sir.

Oh, well, it's a good pause point, because I was actually just looking up the proper name for what you just said, because I remember reading that in the book where you had supposed that the into Monaki Tower was actually the Tower of Babylon.

But there are a couple of things that you said in there that I just want to highlight.

And you did a great job explaining the difference between the Masoretic and the septuagen and there is a thousand years difference, give or take.

And if you guys want a copy of the septuogen a PDF copy that's translated into into English, you can actually find that if you go over to our Facebook page the word at War, and you can get on there, and I have a copy of PDF copy that you can.

Get your hands on that's been translated.

Which I would highly, highly highly encourage everybody to do.

Something else that I remember reading in the book, which was a light bulb moment for me, and I so appreciated it.

Was funny, dude, when I was reading this book, if you'd been sitting next to me, I'd have been high five and united stopped because I was like, this is fantastic.

High five, you know, because a lot of our thinking is is similar.

But it just it helped me kind of realize that I'm not at least there's too crazy people.

I guess is exactly, there's at least two of us on the earth.

But the one of the things that you had mentioned that I love to use, especially electronically to study is the es V.

Yes, and I did not know that the writers of the of the es V, the translators for the es V, actually used the septuagint to help bridge the gap between the Masoretic and the step Tuo agent.

They kind of used the sept two agent when it seemed like the Masoretic had kind of gone off the rails.

They also kind of the interesting thing is they also used the Dead Sea scrolls and and that's and that's really the event.

To me, that's the event.

Let me let me say this.

I I love the King James Bible.

I think that churches should use the King James as their basic Bible for teaching and everything.

I use it in my Sunday school class.

However, I do believe in my own personal devotions in my personal Bible reading, because I'm other than studying, I also read through the Bible.

Probably about every eight or nine months, I'll read through the entire scripture.

I will read through.

I'll use my King James Old Testament one time, the next time I read the ESV, and then I read the English translation of sept two of the third time.

So I alternate in those because because of what happened with the massoretic translation.

Uh, the New Testament, that's another story, and I really don't want to get into that at this juncture because that's a completely different subject.

But the but the but the but the Old Testament, the Old Testament, mass thereddit there are there were definitely issues in our English translations because of what Akiva and his group of scribes did, uh, you know, around one hundred a d uh.

And so that and that's why I love, you know, I personally my preference for the Old Testament is of the ESV.

Uh.

I enjoy reading the septuagen Uh.

And and I still read my King James, but just you know, every third time.

But but there are there are issues there that were caused not by the original language.

Uh, it was issues caused by the by the fact that Akiva and his group made intentional changes to get rid of of references to Jesus of Nazareth.

Yeah, which is is you know, obviously a lot of Christians would hear that, and they would just be a gas.

But if you do any kind of research at all, you find out pretty fast.

And I can provide ample evidence to show that things have been altered, yes, and people removed.

And as I said, there's I think there's some.

It's in the twenties.

I don't remember the exact number, but over twenty times the English translators of the King James Bible, well let's talk about Tyndale Coverdale, the guys that went back and did the King James and the Geneva Bible, the Great Bible, the Bishop's Bible, their early translators.

Over twenty times they changed the Massoretic to agree with the Greek Septuagent because it because it was an intentional affront to Jesus as the Messiah and it's over twenty times that they did that, and so if they were being good stewards of the original text, so should we.

And here's one of the things, and this is one of the things that doctor Heizer taught me.

If we are going to say that we believe the word of God, we need to do everything we can too to find the truth of what the original tech said and then live by it, stick to it, and teach it that way and that and that's why I believe that.

And and I know I would greatly insult some people, and I'm and I'm sorry for that, but you know I I love the King James Bible.

I stand on the King James Bible.

But we have to understand there were things intentionally done that it doesn't diminish the inspiration of scripture, but it's but it's an inhibitor to our understanding of what was going on.

And it's primarily in the and it's in the Old Testament where I have the problem, not in the New Testament.

I'll let me just put it that way.

No, I agree with you one hundred and again.

If you get into your word and you study at all, you're going to see the same thing I promise you that you will well the other things that you had mentioned, And I just wrote a note down because I think it's really important to state this, you know, for anybody that's maybe on the fence doesn't even know Jesus, doesn't know if they believe in God, doesn't know if they believe in the Bible.

I just want to tell you, and it's becoming more true every single day that a lot of archaeologists use the Bible as a historical text, as a historical document to find and have found places that are reference that are of antiquity as part of the Babylonian Empire, and which I believe that it says very clearly in the Bible that Nimrod was responsible for, you know, the creation of Nineveh.

We have found Ninevah.

You know, we know where it is.

We have started to excavate the area that was the original palace grounds in and this has played out more times than I can tell you about.

So the Bible is a historical document, It has historical record, and I find it hilarious too.

I was talking with some friends last night about how science fights so doggedly to try to disprove the existence of God.

And disprove the existence of the Bible.

But even their own scientific findings, more so now than ever, reveal ancient knowledge that is written down for us that we didn't understand that now make perfect sense.

And one of the things that I love to highlight is the twenty nineteen finding of the vast ocean of water that exists below the earth crusts that they have found.

Here we were dogmatically taught in school, there's a mantle, there's a crust, there's a there's a core.

You know, it's this thick, no doubt about it.

We've got it all figured out.

Oh what we missed?

This huge, vast ocean of water that has more water than can be contained on the surface of the earth many times over.

So when we read in Genesis that the you know, great depths of the of the Earth broke forth to help cause the flood, now that makes perfect sense.

But I digress.

We'll get back on track.

But I just highlight that because it's we know these things are real, because we can find them in the world.

So in my new book that I am working on, uh we're uh, I actually uh do put in there a quote by Chuck Missler, and I can't remember it exactly, but paraphrasing, he said, you know, scientists are so determined to prove there is no God, but if they would base their findings on the fact that there is a God and is a creator, things would start falling into place.

It would really quickly, And just like just like.

Our thing with the uh with the Rook expansion, it's there, it's in the bibble, and but the sereologists can't figure it out because they don't believe the bibble is the word of God, and they don't believe it's a bunch of fables and so forth.

And so if they just read the bibble and use that, they could establish their theory as fact instead of a theory.

That's right, amen, brother.

One of the things that going back to Babylon again, one of the things I wanted to ask you about that I found so fascinating, and this is maybe a little bit of a scient tangent, but I think it could be interesting, is you had proposed, potentially that the original location of Babylon and the plane of Shinear might be in a different location than what we think of today.

So would you please expound.

On that that's a theory that was put forth by I believe the gentleman's name is Kenneth Griffith.

He is a researcher.

You can find him on Academia edu if you're familiar with that.

He said, there is a plane.

There is a plane to the west of a Babylon.

It's called the plane of cn R c I N E R n Ar instead of s H I N A R.

And as we know, there are linguistical differences because when you for just to give you a current example, you know, the German city of Munich, if you look on a German map, it is mentioned in you in c H g In and not Munich.

It's just it's uh.

It's when the language changes, the name changes.

Uh.

And he believes that we should be looking there and the reason for that, but I but I don't, but I do not.

I don't think I agree with him.

And I'll tell you why.

The reason for that, and it's is scriptural.

Uh.

And he said that you know, the Bible says that the people when they left Ararat journeyed from the east.

Okay, Well, the plane of Shinar, where Babylon, ancient Babylon is located, is actually southeast of Ararat.

If you draw a line, it's almost directly south, it's a little bit southeast.

And so if they journeyed from the east, they couldn't have gone southeast.

Now, I've read Bible teachers that say, oh, well, that's just that just means they journeyed to the east, and so from the east.

I looked at the original language.

It says from it says from the east, and so that that's a problem.

And so he believed, he said, here's this possible solution.

Here's the and there are a lot of tales there where ancient where ancient cities and such are are buried there, you know, the mounds that come up as tales, uh, with the with the burial of these ancient cities.

And he's and he said, here are the possibilities where the Tower of Babyl may have been.

But I believe that Gerard Garteau, who is another scholar that that I read on Academia e Edu, has a better answer to that, to that uh, that quandary.

He believes that that that the people journeyed from Ararat to the west, encountered the headwaters of the Euphrates River and followed the river south and east to the plain of Shinar.

So they did actually journey from the east.

They went to the west, encountered the Euphrates, and followed the Euphrates down to where they wanted to settle Uh.

And I believe that's to me, that's a better possibility than than Sinar.

But but I believe that Senar certainly is a possibility.

I believe that it's enough of a possibility.

I believe that it was enough of possibility to put it in the book because I find it very interesting because we you know, we have to understand again that if we're going to claim the Bible is the inspired word of God and the original language, to the best of our knowledge, says they traveled from the east to the west.

Folks, they went west, and they either ended up turning back to the east or that plane of Senor may actually be the place.

But I honestly believe when you get into when you get into the Neo Babylonian Empire and the writings that we have found from Nebuknezar and the Kaldean culture and all of that, and when you get into the stories of the building of the tower, how Mardu I incorporated the help of the Anonaki to mold bricks, and I believe the number was a one hundred and thirty six million bricks to build that tower as it is described in the Bible.

That's incredible.

I mean, to me, that's just incredible light bulb type moments that are hidden in this book.

It's not my work, but I found I found from other scholars, and that was actually written in the Numa Leish, which is the Babylonian creation myth.

So it's a myth, but it really it's really fascinating when you read it in light of what we know is the truth and the word of God.

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So as we continue back with the conversation.

One of the things that I wanted to kind of get into is, you know, we have this dispersement.

We've kind of already talked about it with the Yuruk expansion.

We can see this after Babylon, and for the most part, Babylon struggles for a little while and then it just kind of dwindles and then is rekindled by Nebukinezer that we can.

Read about in the Bible.

And then you know, things are going along for quite a while there, and we have this conflict that starts to get set up between the Assyrian Empire and Babylonia and you know, Jerusalem and the Israelites, and just highlight some of the high points of that for us, if you would, because it's really in this conflict that we can see this struggle that continues on over Jerusalem.

Right.

It's so huge because from the minute Jerusalem was basically established and founded until today, there is this it's like, you know, the piece of taffy in the pullar that Satan wants to get his hands on and use the enemies to do that of God, and it's God's sacred territory right built on God's sacred mountains.

So just highlight some of that, if you would, and we'll kind of take us up to that seventy eight d mark.

Okay, yeah, yeah.

As a matter of fact, I was going to say, just mentioned we have to go back really to the history of Jerusalem to get to that point, because we find, you know, we find, and we're starting the book all the way back to the Garden of Eden.

Now again, folks, this is my opinion.

Now I did get this from some scholars, and I can't recall their names that is in the book, but I believe that the Garden of Eden was located on Mount Zion, where Jerusalem stands today.

Now here's why I believe that, because we read in the Book of Zihel, chapter twenty four, in one of those famous Satanic passages about Satan, where God said you were on my holy mountain.

So the Garden Eden was actually built on a mountain.

And we and this is the start of what we call mountain theology that runs not only throughout the Old Testament, but throughout the entire Bible.

And we talk about mountain theology in chapter one is kind of a baseline of what we're going to be discussing.

But this, This runs through the whole through the whole Bible of how the mountains were where the gods lived.

Uh, and the gods lived on the mountains, the people lived in the valleys.

That was just that was the that was part of their cosmology.

It was a three kied cosmology.

And gods, you know, the gods that were on the earth and lived on the mountains.

By the same token, God had his holy mountain.

And that holy mountain is Mountain Zion, where Jerusalem is located.

Now we start with the discussion of the Garden of Eden, and it talks about these four rivers that flowed out from a river in Eden, and so it was the geehind the peace on the ka How do you how would pronounce it h I D D E K E L I believe?

And the and the Euphrates.

Well, most scholars look at this and say, oh, well, we know the Euphrates is so that means and the the hid Deco is probably the pre flood name of the Tigris.

So the Garden of Eden must be marked with an X somewhere there at at the mouth of the Persian Gulf or maybe under the waters of where the Persian Gulf is today, that's where the Garden of Eden.

Well effectively just geographically for everyone modern day like Kuwait area.

Yeah, that that area and and you know in you know, and so X marks the spot right there.

Well, in the words of the world's most famous famous archaeologists, Indiana Jones, X never marks the spot.

So so so we have to so so, but we have to look at scripture and say, okay, and a lot of Bible scholars agree that it's somewhere was somewhere around the mouth of the Euphrates and the uh and the Tigris rivers.

But how about the Gihan and the Peace on what about what about those are Here's what I believe.

Number one, this the Gihan is very interesting because what is the name of the spring that bubbles up under under Mount Zion today, the Gihan Spring.

It's the same name.

So let's go back to pre flood, to the pre flood time, and if the Gihan was a massive river flowing off of a mountain and flowing to the north and to the south, then you can have these four rivers flowing out of the area of Jerusalem.

Well, actually the location of Jerusalem today because the Gihan said it went south into Ethiopia, and the Peason went into Halof where there was gold.

Well, those areas are Africa, Eastern Africa, and the and the around the bottom of the Arabian Peninsula.

So if this river flowed up as an as a massive water spring up from the Mountain of God, the Holy Mountain of God, it could have flowed north and south from the high ground there off the Mountain of God and and followed and followed the lines to become those four rivers.

And there is a system of rifts Uh that are that it's in the trust of the earth that if you follow the Great Rift system you find it goes into Ethiopia and around in the Uh into the Persian Gulf, and not the Persian Gulf but the UH, but into the ocean there around the Arabian Peninsula.

So the rivers could the river behind could have flowed north and south, branching in those two rivers, following that rift system.

Because that rift system, the Great rift system, goes up the Jordan Valley and goes north from there.

And then there are other fault lines that would separate the Tigris and Euphrates, which would be the hideco and the Euphrates River.

And so you have the proof that the Garden of Eden was actually on the holy Mountain of God, which is Mountain Zion, and that has been God's holy mountain all along.

I believe the fact that Jesus Christ came in his pre incarnate form and appeared as Melchizedek.

And where was he He was in the city of Salem.

That's where Abraham encountered him.

That was the ancient name for Jerusalem, and he was the priest king of Salem.

What would he had been doing there?

He was planning God's flag after the flood, as this being my holy mountain, the same holy mountain that God had before the flood when the Garden of Ene was on top of it.

It was probably a lot higher before the flood, but it was the same place where God had his holy mountain before the flood.

Jesus came and said, this is my holy mountain, and why would he do that?

He would do that so David would know where to establish the capital of Israel on God's holy mountain, where Solomon would then build the temple, which, although it isn't mountain, miriahs really the same mountain.

It's just a little rift between the two of them.

So you have so you have Melchizedek coming to claim that piece of ground as sacred space or sacred geography, or even a cosmic mountain where God would meet with men.

And so you have the mountain theology established as God's holy mountain.

They're in Jerusalem and going from there.

So that's why we have Jerusalem located there and owned God's holy mountain.

And guess what we read Psalm sixty eight and we find out that Satan wants God's holy mountain.

Satan has a holy mountain too.

He has a lot of holy mountains, the mountains of the gods.

But the most dominant Satanic mountain, if we want to use that terminology, borders on the northern region of Mashon and what today we call the Goland Golan Heights, and that is Mount Hermon.

Mount Hermon is the place where the watchers descending in Genesis chapter six.

Mount Hermon is where archaeologists have found all kinds of evidence of cultic worship patterns there on Mount Hermon.

Mount Hermon was the holy mountain of the Canaanite god l Mount Hermon was the place that Gilgamesh went to went and defeated the evil god whom Baba?

Is that right?

I keep forgetting that now I believe that's correct.

But where Gilgamesh went and defeated that that god, Mount Hermon is at the north of Bashon, which is the land of the serpent Uh.

And of course we know when Moses is the children of Israel.

It's so interesting when you start just looking at a map that Moses and the children of Israel came out of the wilderness.

When when God finally released them from their years of wondering, did they come right across the Jordan River into the promised land.

No, they went up into Bashon and way north, over one hundred miles north, to defeat og who was the last of the Refayeen that lived in Bashon.

And we get into the whole Refayeen thing as well, but we will not get there right now.

But but but God sent Moses and the children of Israel to defeat those wicked entities that were controlling that area, which is very very much of an area of wickedness.

And anytime you see the word Bashan in your Old Testament, you better underline it.

Take note of it because there's wickedness.

There's a much more to it than just a single just mentioning in a geographical area.

So Moses went up to Bashon to conquer that, and that was right at the base of Mount Hermon, which was the main mountain of the pagan gods, closest to the children of Israel there in Israel.

So you have all this mountain theology enter and into it.

Now, in Babylon, they had a real problem because if the if the gods lived on mountains on the plain of China, are guess what that was all flatland.

There were no mountains, so they had to build their own sacred mountain.

And that's what the Tower of Babylon and all these other towers.

There are over twenty five cigarettes that archaeologists have found in Iran and Iraq, in that area of Shinar between the Tigris and Frate's River, they're over twenty five cigarettes.

What were those things built for?

They weren't just built as temples.

They were built as holy mountains, the mountains of the gods.

Because the gods didn't have their own mountain.

This was see, this was all established at Eden when God had his holy mountain Satan had to replicate and duplicate or come up with a with a cheap imitation of the real thing.

Let's put it that way, of anything that God did.

We see that all throughout scripture that Satan kind of tries to replicate or duplicate what God does, uh, and come at it from the dark side rather than the side of righteousness.

And so the Tower of Babel or the Tower of Babylon and all of these other cigarettes they found in that area are nothing but holy mountains built as artificial mountains and homes of the Gods.

And so that's what we've got.

We've got the spiritual, We've got cosmic spiritual warfare going on between God and the forces of evil all over the place.

But yet we've seen in our modern church not to have time to even start paying attention to what was going on.

And we miss so much of the good stuff that goes on in the Bible because we don't take the time to be good stewards of the work.

I don't know where do we start that conversation.

Kyle, If you're good, it's just talking about this again.

It comes back to the words you use for the title of the book.

This cosmic conflict that is occurring, and by this particular point, you know, you kind of have almost in some ways, the the the satellite home front for evil becomes Babylon, right, you know, and Jerusalem has always been the home front for God, you know, because God is consistent.

But one of the things is I was reading your book that I found, in kind of tying into what you just said, was how God works is so amazing, and there are when you understand the depth and complexity of the story at a much deeper level, like you just said, it just it riches God's words so much for you and helps you unlock more and more and more of the Bible so that when you read things, you understand what's really happening on a much, much deeper level.

And one of the things for me that kind of was unlocked reading the book was how ultimately you know, here you have Abraham who leaves this wickedness that is the whole land of Shinar, Babylonia, the Chaldeans, you know, all of this is the same stuff, right th worshiping the God seen.

He leaves all of this stuff and turns towards God, and God says, I'm going You're going to be my portion.

You guys, through you I am going to take aside when the divisions of these nations are set up the seventy, I'm going to take you, and you're going to be my people, and through you will be my line.

That's that is so that's so that I'm sorry to interrupt you, but that is so critical that we understand that the dispersion of Babel or Babylon uh the when the languages were changed.

And this again I owe this to daughter Heiser, because this is something I never saw before.

But in the in the es V and in the Septuage, and we see that that God separated the nations according to the number of the sons of God.

God, he set these sons of God over these nations.

But the real critical part is when God said, but Israel will be my inheritance.

And we have to understand that we have this big, wide, beautiful world that has been turned over by God to Satan's emissaries.

But there is one little patch of ground that is about less than the size of New Jersey that has been set aside for God's inheritance.

But guess what.

In Psalm eighty two, it says, Rise up, o God, for you will inherit all nations.

But right now we are still living in a time where every nation spiritually is overlorded by an angel that chose to let themselves be worshiped.

I don't know.

I don't know what that goddess is on top of the Capitol building.

Whether it's Are the Most, whether it's Athena, whether it's whether it's whether it's Ishtar, I don't know.

But we have to remember, folks that, yes, we are very privileged in the United States of America because we had people in the beginning of this nation that had a Judeo Christian worldview, and there were men like Roger Williams and others that established Christianity in this nation.

But we have to remember we are not Jews, we are not Israel.

This is not God's chosen land.

Israel is God's inheritance right now, and we need to stand with the Jewish people because that is God's inheritance in this age and in time when the millennium comes, Jesus will inherit the United States of America.

Jesus will inherit all the nations of the world.

But right now, Israel is God's inheritance, and we as Christians need to stand with the nation of Israel.

Yeah.

Amen.

That was one of the things too that was really good for me because it's easy to get swept up into the geopolitical nature of today, and I know we're kind of leading up to that, and we'll get more into the common modern day ties here in a second, but it's really important to understand from a scriptural and basic perspective of these this is God's turf, this is God's chosen people, this is God's sacred space, and at the end of the day, no one is going to have final dominion over it but God and Jesus Christ.

Period, end of story, end of games.

You know, I just found it funny, you know, I started to say a second ago, how not funny, But how God works, you know here if you look at the history of his people and their hard heartedness, you know, and their stiff nakedness, and they just would not you know, turn to Him and stay focused on him.

How you know, first the northern kingdoms, you know, get taken away by by the Assyrians, and then the southern kingdoms go wicked.

And who does God use to come in It's like it's like God finally said, you know what, your ancestor, I decided to you know, have as my own and form all of you guys from him who left Babylon.

But you guys just seem, for lack of a better term, hell bound to go right back there.

And so I'm gonna go ahead and give you right back to the very place that you guys originally fleed from.

Have fun, right, And so then they go into the Babylonian exile, and then we kind of have everything that's from that after that that period where you know, we have Cyrus the Great comes onto the scene, and I believe it was actually Cyrus that actually freed them, if do I have that right?

Yes?

Yeah, And so they they are allowed to go back, and so they begin anew you know, they basically take care of cleaning up the mess that they'd made.

You know, things get back on track, and we pretty much for the most part, come out of the last bit of the Old Testament with you know, we had the Assyrians that were the power, then the Babylonians were the power, and then the Meads and the Persians were the power, and then the one that we don't see that gets missed in between the Old Testament and the New Testament are the Greeks.

And that's really important because we need to understand some of the history there.

Well, we'll skip over that for this discussion, but I just say that to highlight there is a gap in between the Old Testament and the New Testament of about four hundred years.

And by the time we come onto the scene in the New Testament and we get into the story of Christ, the Romans are now the power of the day.

Yes, and Rome has effectively kicked the Greeks out.

That's why you see the Romans are everywhere in the New Testament.

And you know Jesus prophesies about the seventy a D event when Jerusalem would be destroyed and which was done by the Romans.

So that is another seminal moment for the history of the Israelites and where we kind of have a launch.

Point of a long period of time.

So just kind of highlight, if you would, and you get into this beautifully in the book.

You know, we have the seventy a D.

We have Titus wipe everything out, and then we go a long time and just share some of that history of what happened in there that kind of led up to the founding and forty eight of the state of Israel.

That's a good point.

You know, most most Christians have a pretty good idea of the history of Israel up to seventy a d.

But after that it just drops off the table.

And that and that's that's one of the big problems, because what what came to pass was probably as big as the seventy eight event was the Barcopper Revolt in one thirty five, because when that when that was defeated by the Romans, uh Emperor Hadrian said, I've had the Jews are nothing but troublemakers.

I've had enough of these people.

I'm done with them.

So they plowed the city of Jerusalem under It was just plowed to bare ground.

They kicked all the Jews out of Jerusalem.

They were not allowed in the city period.

There were still a lot of Jews living in the area.

A lot of them have been slaughtered, but there were still living there.

They kicked them all out of the city, and he renamed Jerusalem Aleiah capitalina U and also named the region Palestine.

So that's where the name of the Palestinians come from.

And it was, and the reason he named it Palestine, it was actually named after the Philistines to get rid of the Jewishness of the area.

So that's what's really interesting.

People don't realize there is no such thing as a Palestinian people.

There is no Palestinian heritage.

There was no one called the Palestinian until the Yasser Arafat called them Palestinians in the nineteen sixties.

So that's where the name Palestine came from.

It was done by Hadrian.

He kicked all the Jews out of Jerusalem and there were no Jews allowed back into Jerusalem til the Muslims conquered Jerusalem in somewhere around six hundred eighty, so for there was four hundred and fifty five hundred years there there were no Jews allowed in Jerusalem.

And it is so ironic by today's culture that it was the Muslims that let them back in.

So but it was, you know, it was a money thing because the Jews were good merchants and so the Muslims were traders, they were they were merchants, and so so they let them back in.

And so the so Islam or the Muslims pretty much controlled the area all the way through the Ottoman Empire.

UH.

You know when in World War One, UH, the Ottoman Empire chose the wrong side.

They sided with Germany.

And of course it was the age of British imperialism and British colonialism and all of that good stuff.

And the British ended up in charge of the UH, in charge of Palestine UH after war after World War one, UH.

And there were there were highlights there where balle for the Balfour Declaration and all of those things, you know, and the and the and and wanting to give the land back to the Jews.

But the real interesting thing that most people don't understand.

And there's a book that I highly highly recommend by a lady by the name Joan Peters.

And actually remember the title is and the name of it is from Time Immemorial.

UH.

And it's about just this thick uh.

And it's like a textbook.

But it is so interesting because Joan Peters, and I believe she was New York Times, but she was a reporter for one of the major newspapers, and she set out to prove that the Jews did not belong in the in the Promised Land, that it wasn't the promised land, that the land belonged to the Palestinians.

Uh, and the Jews should just leave uh and uh.

And by the time she finished her research, she had done a complete one eighty and wrote a book on why the Jews should have control of the area that is called Palestine.

Uh.

And she detailed it so well and so so thoroughly, but in a nutshell.

The Jews started to feel the call to come back into their land in the nineteenth century and Jews started immigrating into the region of Palestine.

Nobody the area that is today Israel.

Nobody wanted it.

It was a waste land in southern Syria, in the southern part of the in the Ottoman Empire.

For years and years it was, you know, Mark Twain wrote about what a what a disaster, and how the land was absolutely good for nothing and people shouldn't even worry about it because it was nothing but waste and desert.

And the Jews started moving in and made the desert bloom and they and they made it this great land and they started all these businesses in the in the nineteenth century.

And the people that are today call the Palestinians their ancestors moved from other Arab countries, whether it was in Transjordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, or Syria.

They all moved into the land why to work for the Jews, because the Jews were paying more money than they could make anywhere else.

And so those people that moved into to the region of Palestine in the nineteenth century, and the Arab population boomed, because it's just like here in the South, you know, the slave population boom in the South, we have so many African Americans, had so many African Americans in the South because they were the descendants of the slaves that were brought in.

It was the same situation in Palestine.

The population of the area boomed in Arabs, not so much in Jews, because the Jews were the masters and the Arabs were the workers, and so they needed the workers, and that's why you had such a big Arab population and so and so that's what happened.

There was a big Arab population moved in to work for the Jews, and that's and that's what happened.

But then when you come into the twentieth century and they and there is this this idea of a Jewish homeland all of a sudden, the Arabs start getting pretty testy about it.

That's that's a vast understatement.

And they they're still a little testy about it.

Yeah, they're still a little testy about it.

So they so so they started rebelling against their Jewish overlords because they did not want a Jewish state.

And of course then there was the Mandate for Palestine by the British, and they gave this whole area that included not only modern day Israel, but modern day Jordan, and that was set aside for the Jewish homeland.

But then in nineteen twenty two they divided that up and everything east of the Jordan River was given to the Hashemike Kingdom of Jordan for a guess what a Palestinian state, what we would call the Palestinian State, but at the time, a separate homeland for the Arabs that didn't want to live under the Jews.

But none of them moved over there.

They all wanted to stay in Israel because they had good jobs, they had good things going on for them there, but they still did not want the Jews getting their own nation.

And of course this went on back and forth throughout the nineteen twenties and the nineteen thirties, there were Arab riots against against the mandate for Palestine, and there were a gorilla There was guerrilla warfare going on.

There were constant attacks of the Jewish population by the Arabs because they did not want the land turned over to Israel for a nation.

And of course, then nineteen forty eight came along.

And I'll tell you the thing about nineteen forty eight as an American citizen, that gives me such pride that we had one president that actually stood for the word of God.

When the Jewish, when the Jewish people declared their state, I believe on May fourteenth or May fifteenth, nineteen forty eight, no one, no international entity recognized the state of Israel.

They were waiting to see what the United States of America would do.

And you had this little thing called the discovery of oil in Arabia along that period of time.

And the President of the United States at the town was Harry Truman.

Now, Harry Truman had a lot of problems.

He had a lot of things that you and I would disagree with that he did, and his policies and so forth and so on.

But Harry Truman was I think he became a Presbyterian, but he grew up a Southern Baptist, and he was a man that knew what the Bible said about Israel being in their land in the last time.

And all of his advisers advised him, do not recognize the state of Israel.

Do not do it, because the excuse was if you do that, they're going to be annihilated.

Within a day or two.

The Arabs will go in and they'll annihilate them.

You can't do this, you'll kill them all.

But that was not the reason.

The reason was because these people, these advisors, wanted Arab oil and they did not want to upset the Arabs in the region, so they were heavily advising Truman not to recognize the state of Israel.

Harry Truman went into his office by himself and rode out the acceptance of Israel as a state, all on his own, against the advice of his advisers, and put and brought it out without telling anybody what he was going to do.

And here was a man that was in the in the White House that before it that there would not be a man with that kind of guts until Donald Trump came along.

That we had no Ronald Reagan included, there was no president in the United in the in the Oval Office from the time of Harry Truman that would have had the guts to do what he did to recognize the state of it, to recognize the state of Israel.

Israel was recognized as a state officially, and others and other nations then fell in line behind the United States.

The Arabs surrounding Israel all immediately the Arab League declared war on Israel, and of course Israel offered citizenship to all the people living there, including the so called Palestinians.

The Arabs who lived in Israel were offered full citizenship in the new nation.

But the Arab League advised them, don't do that.

Leave go to this, Go flee across the Jordan River.

Get out of there, because we're going to wipe this nation off the face of the earth.

And guess what you will not only be given your land and your home you have, now you'll get what the Jews have got to.

And of course the Jews were you know, the Jews were wealthy.

They had the wealth of the land, a lot of them.

Now, there were some that were living in Paul, but for the most part, they were the ones that were running things.

And so the idea was, hey, you guys, go over here, let's let's start this refugee camp and you just wait there a few days, because we're going to wipe them off the face of the earth and you'll get everything.

It'll all be yours.

And so they taught them.

They talked the majority of the Palestinians into leaving the area becoming refugees.

And that's how we got Palestinian refugees because they they listened to the Arab League instead of accepting Israel's offer, which was an offer for full citizenship.

And that is again thus the first time they missed an opportunity to you know, to have an opportunity to do what was the right thing and have have peace in the in the region.

But they but they left and they became they went into the refugee camps and and Jordan didn't want them, Egypt didn't wart them, nobody wanted them, but they but they went there.

Now they went into the what is called the West Bank and Gaza.

Because when the when the Arabs all attacked Israel, that was the that was the battle front, that was the front line became the West Bank, and that territory was seated to Jordan and the area which we know today is Gaza, and all the things that's going on there came from the fact that the Egyptian armies had that penetration into the area, and those two places became places for Palestinian the Palestinian refugees to take up residents there.

In nineteen forty eight when all of that happened, the rest of the land was controlled by Israel.

When the when when the attacking nations pulled back and and and quote peace was declared in the originally nineteen forty eight.

Yeah, and and they were they were a state for how many days before like they were attacked by how many?

It was like every nation around them.

One it was ours, Yeah, it was ours, right, it was ours.

Russia.

Russia was also a portion a part of that.

Yeah, they were supporting them, they were they were supporting and again it's all about the oil.

Yeah, and that's what was going on.

Yeah.

And obviously God, you know, held them together because this is prophecy that's being fulfilled and God's not going to have anybody trample prophecy.

So God protects them divinely and they they exist today, that's right.

But it's you know, and how many and one thing you mentioned, how many Christians in the United States will say, oh, well, the nation of Israel is no fulfillment of prophecy because they aren't worshiping God blah blah blah blah blah, therefore we shouldn't support them.

They all they have to do is read about the miracles that took place in nineteen forty eight and nineteen sixty seven, in nineteen seventy three, are you read about the miracles God?

This is the hand of God and it's establishing a land for his people as problemost in.

His word, Yeah, and securing Jerusalem exactly mine mine, and it's not anybody else's, that's mine.

That's right.

Yeah.

So it's it's very a very you know, kind of interesting moment as you look through history and you know, I can't think of another people group on this earth that have literally been surrounded by everyone who wants to kill them since their inception and since the beginning of time like Israel has.

I can't think of anyone.

There's not one.

There isn't there's just nobody, and.

There's not and there's not no nation on earth that disappeared for almost two thousand years and.

Came back, right, Yeah, that doesn't happen.

Bad doesn't typically have your day in the sun, and then you just faded into the history books exactly.

Yeah, and that's very much.

You know, one of the things that I think we're in danger of is a country if we don't watch ourselves.

I think God has been very clear about throwing some pretty clear warning symbols out that we better, we better straighten up or else.

I'm actually going to be doing a sermon on here in a few days.

We're kind of going through the minor prophets and I'm going to be doing a sermon at the church on Jonah.

And there's some things that tie into that story on the warnings that have been given to America and even through Christ that are are very apropos But I digress.

Well, well, well we can we can put one thing into conent taste of what we're talking about.

The Abrahamic Covenant was number one, it wasn't conditional, and number two, it wasn't temporary.

God said.

God said to Abraham, I will bless them, to bless thee curse them that curse the invintional, all the nations of the earth be blessed.

I was very concerned under the presidencies of Joe Biden and Barack Obama, something terrible was going to happen to this country because that Abrahamic covenant.

God wasn't kidding, God wasn't fooling around, and we had lead, We had leadership at that point in time that was absolutely anti Israel U and we and we were treading on fen ice during those administrations.

And that is the to me, that is the main thing.

You know, we are all sinners, and our nation is, oh my goodness, corrupt in so many areas.

But that is the one thing that is long as the United States stands with Israel, I believe that is going to be our salvation and our sustaining force.

As long as that happens.

But if anti Semitism goes rampant and takes over, watch out, because God's judgment is coming soon.

Amen, brother Amen.

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So one of the things that we see through this everything that you just described, with the lack of a better term, disbursement of the Palestinians, if you will, or what they want to deem is the Palestinians kind of leads us to another interesting point.

Through all of this becomes militancy.

Right, we have all of these militant organizations that are beginning to be birthed through this process.

And correct me if I'm wrong here, but it seems like historically time wise, the PLO seems to be the first one that kind of comes onto the scene and really declares, you know, the term the Palestinian people is that?

Is that an air?

Yes, Sir, I believe I believe that it was Jasser Arafat who first use that term.

Yeah, you had said that earlier.

Yeah, and there's and see when you when you learned what is in the book and what we've been talking about today, there's no such thing as a Palestinian people.

They're they are all Arabs that immigrated from other Arab countries and they're you know, now, there there may be a few that were indigenous, but they were still Arabs.

They were Syrians, uh, their their ancestors were.

They were not.

There's no such thing as a Palestinian, has not been and it was the term that was coined in the sixties.

Yeah, the name Palestine, obviously, like we talked about earlier, kind of goes back to the Roman times.

Yes, but yeah, yeah, So it's funny because there's a great interview and you might can go look it up on YouTube.

There's a great interview with Gilda may Air, who was one of the early prime ministers obviously of Israel, and she even says because she was her family was from that area, had never really moved away and believed she was there all the time, and she said, there's no such thing.

It's like everyone in this area was just this was what the area was known at.

As a matter of fact, her ID card that she carried for years actually just had the name Palestine on it because that was what the area was known as.

It's not a people group at all.

And yeah, so through this whole Plo Yaser era fat we now have tried to make this a people group and that's just completely inaccurate.

But then you have the birthing of these other more militant organizations like Hamas and Hesbalos.

So please share some of that if you would tell.

Well, you know, the truth is all of that comes from Islam, from radical in Islam.

The in my opinion, now, well let me back up.

Most people today will tell you that Islam is not a pagan religion because they're monotheistic.

In my opinion, Allah is the god in Lil for ancient Babylon.

I believe, I believe that that's who he is.

Uh.

The uh, the interpretation of in Lil was the god.

Allah is the God.

And I believe that Allah was at one time, thousands and thousands of years ago in Lil.

And we also find that in Lil in all likelihood was one of the monikers for Satan himself.

So Satan, Satan goes by many names, uh.

And I believe that that is the real problem.

This is, this is not this is not a political problem.

And I you know, I am sorry George W.

Bush, I am sorry any one that says our Pope John Paul the second he knows better now, uh, that said that said that that Allah was the same God that we worship.

Absolutely not Allah is in ill?

Who was?

Who is Satan?

And yes, this is a spiritual problem and what we see and what we saw on October seventh, that was one of the most flagrant displays of unimaginable evil.

I can't even verbalize it.

Okay, uh, it was and I'll just leave it at that, one of the most flagrant displays of unimaginable evil that has come on on the face of the earth in modern times.

And there's only one source for something like that, and that is the forces of evil that is either Satan or the entities that worked with Satan.

That's where it came from.

That's who they are.

And there's not a lot more to say about it.

I am.

If you want to find out what ancient Babylon was like, that's a taste of it.

That's it.

That's it.

You know, the wickedness that was wrought on that day to Infant's children, the despicable things that were done to them.

It's not just going in and shooting someone and they're dead.

This went well beyond, well.

Way beyond that.

And you see the other problem that we have as modern twenty first century citizens.

I don't care what country you're in, we do not really understand the extreme debauchery.

I don't know what other term to use, but the extreme debauchery that went on in everyday pagan worship, and all of that is filtered into Islam.

And they may not do child sacrifice, they may not do those things, but this is nothing other than a pagan religion.

And when these people give their hearts and their minds over to the spirits of the ancient gods, or the spirits of demons, or to the spirit of Satan, or to Satan himself, this is what's going to happen.

And that's what we're facing.

And I don't know any other way to put it.

I mean, I might be criticized for saying that, you know, but but I'm not sorry because that's that's what I see in the Word of God, and what we're seeing play down in front of us is the truth.

Amen, brother, I can't I can't agree more.

It's sad and scary as it is.

I mean, it's it's just a fact, I mean, and it highlights, you know, how much alive the Babylonian spirit truly is.

It's alive and well today.

Man, It's alive and well in this cosmic conflict coming back.

It's a perfect title for the for the book Between God and between the Enemies of God.

And you know, ultimately, you know, one of the other things you get into in the book, and I think, you know, for the last few minutes together, I kind of want to highlight this because it's really interesting is we see all of these little satellite organizations that become big world players pop up on the map, and how they're just a little flavor of the exact same spirit that is anti semitic to that.

But before we kind of get into those organizations, I think it's really important that we talk about something else that you did a great job of highlighting in the book, which is the difference between globalism and nationalism.

Yes, because nationalism is like becoming this dirty world.

Oh yeah, and they they love the one thing I've noticed that they do, and they being the powers of evil, they love to associate nationalism and specifically Christian nationalism.

They they love to tie it to Hitler and Nazism.

Oh yeah, yeah, you tie it to Hitler and racism.

You know, Yes, it's racism, and it's Nazism, it's fascism, whatever, whatever the term.

They can come up with.

But let's go back to the Tower of Babble.

Who was the first nationalist.

God was who separated, who separated the people in nations?

God did and so so is not an ugly word.

It is not it is not something to be ashamed of to say that I'm a nationalist.

I am proud to be an American and I am a nationalist.

I want Donald Trump to put America first.

I want well, I want Donald Trump put God first.

But politically from yeah, from from a political perspective, you know, we should be we should be nationalists.

We should want to defend our nation because God was the first nationalist.

The first globalist to from from if as it applies to monern Man Wasnimrod.

He wanted to gather all men together in one And then we see, we see all of these people that try have attempted world government.

You know, the Assyrians tried it.

Uh Nimrod, Well, there was Nimrod.

There were the Assyrians, they were the Babylonians, they were the Persians that you know.

Then you got the Greeks, the Romans, uh Hitler tria It, Napoleon trod It, Jengas Khon trod It.

You know, men over the ages have been trying to They have been flying directly into the system that is implemented by God, not to overcome God.

And every one of these world conquest endeavors have accessed the powers of evil.

You go to the Nazi.

The case of the nazis our history books, our history books did not tell us the deep, dark, occultic nature of the Third Reich.

You know, Hitler kept a copy of Blavotsky's Secret Doctrine on his bedside table.

Uh.

And Blavotsky's secret Doctrine is deeply deeply occultic.

Arianism is deeply occultic.

Lavatsky said that the Aryan race came from Atlantis.

Uh.

And of course Atlantis was ruled was ruled by Poseidon.

Uh.

And of course and the and the gods are nothing more than than the stories of the Nephelm from before the flood.

So you take it all back to its origin and you find it's all extremely evil.

And again I can't, I'm not I'm not fluent enough to verbalize what the you know, what the seriousness of all of this.

So we have to be we should be nationalists because God is a nationalist.

And again, if you don't agree with that, I'm I'm sorry.

I don't mean to offend you, but that's that's the truth.

Hopefully.

You know, like as the remnant wakes up, because I feel like there is I've said this several times on this show, that there is a remnant that is a that is awakening to things that are looking around and going, this is something's wrong, Something's very wrong.

Even outside of the church.

I think there are a lot of people.

You know, we hear the loud we hear the people that have just been given over to a reprobate mind, as the Bible says so very very well in Romans.

But we have a lot of people that are not completely gone, that are sensing things are not adding up, that two and two is not making four, and that they're being lied to.

Yeah, we haven't.

You know, there there were there were secular people.

They came out when Joe Biden went off the deep end and made that speech that was so critical of of LAWA buying Americans, you know, when he was in front of the red and black background in Philadelphia.

Uh So, there were there were secular people.

They came out and said this is not right, this is evil.

And something evil is going on here, and those are people that weren't even Christians, that were that were coming out with those kind of statements at that point in time.

It reminded me of Nazi Germany.

Yes, it was the color, the colors, It had a very much of a Nazi theme.

Yeah, it was.

It was kind of kind of shocking.

It was spooky, bizarre, very bizarre.

But yeah, you know, going back kind of like what we highlighted a second ago with this Babylonian spirit alive and will and a lot of these organizations that exist nowadays, like the United Nations, like the World Economic Forum, originally starting with the League of Nations.

So I guess rewind the clock a little bit and the League of Nations was really the first one to kind of come onto the scene.

But kind of walk us through these organizations that have really been under under the underpinned and funded by the powers of darkness, if you will.

Yes, well, well, I believe what we saw in the nineteenth century wasn't occult revival.

When you had when you had the when you had the House of Theosophy, uh, the Order of the Golden Dawn, Uh, coming out of fringe Freemasonry basically.

Uh.

And you had all these occult organizations that were that were organized in Great Britain.

Uh and then came over to the United States.

Uh.

And then you and and you had this whole idea that we were that mankind was going to be able to establish heaven on earth and that was and that was the real that was the real problem.

Uh and and so you had and so you had this idea that was breaking forth all over the place.

Right around the turn of the twentieth century.

UH.

World War One came along, and they claimed that that was the war to end all wars.

And the League of Nations, which was was the logical conclusions from this philosophy, this occult philosophy of a of a had man made heaven on Earth, one world government kind of thing.

So the League of Nations came as the outpouring of that basic philosophy back right after World War One.

And it wasn't unfortunately for US in the United States and for the rest of the world.

The United States rejected it.

Even though Woodrow Wilson, you know, was really one of the movers and shakers in the in the movement.

The US Congress and the US Senate would have no part of it because they recognized it for what it was.

And so you had so you had that come along and it was it was squashed, but the spirit that went along with it never was squashed.

And so you know, nineteen forty seven, nineteen forty eight came, the Great Depression came along and people people actually turned back to God into depression because they lost their homes, they lost their money, they lost their livelihood, they had nowhere to turn and they turned to God.

And so there was a great there was really a great spiritual revival right after the depression.

But the but the forces of evil and the occult were kind of, you know, still working in the shadows during those years, and they and they made a big out pouring along.

About the same time when the Nation of Israel was formed, you had the formation of the World and National Council of Churches, which was a modernist, despicable organization.

He denied all the basic doctrines of Christ and they supported the people that like from the twenties and Harry Emerson Falstick and those people that were against fundamental Christianity, and that and fundamentalism gainst a bad name because of the fundamental ISLAMI system such, but fundamental Christianity is a good thing because that's just simply a holding to the fundamentals of the faith that's taught by the Word of God.

And so you had all these revivals that came along, but then all of a sudden, the forces of evil had to counterattack with the United Nations.

And I believe, and you'll see in my next book that in nineteen forty seven we had an event in California with a couple of guys by the name of Jack Parsons and l Ron Hubbard, which exercised this ritual by the name of Babylon Working, and they claimed and the predecessor to the OTO, after Crowley Kenneth Hill is that his name I can't remember, came out and said that he believed that Parsons and Hubbard actually opened a portal which started this whole UFO phenomenon.

And I also believe that it opened the portal that allowed to act the access of the old Gods to come through even more than they were.

And that's when you get the sixty the sexual Revolution, and hell, it's more into the lgbt q x y Z thing going on.

And then the whole transgender as as it as it has evolved into all these things.

This is the working of the ancient gods.

But along with that came the Global Organization of the United Nations.

And from that and under the United Nations, you know, the United Nations has an NGO by the name of Lucius Trust.

And Lucia's Trust was originally formed by Alice and Foster Bailey.

Alice Bailey was the predecessor to Annie Bessant, who took over the House of Theosophy for H.

P.

Blovotsky and Alice Bailey wrote all of these occult books, the the Externalization of the Hierarchy, Education in the New Age, a lot of the basis for the New Age movement.

Basically, Alice Bailey wrote these books via automatic writing, and she and her husband As started this organization and they called it the Lucifer Publishing Company, And yes, it was it was that Lucifer that they named it.

After they found that they had to change the name because too many people didn't like the name Lucifer, so they changed it to the Lucious Trust and the sub organizations under that.

This will all be in my new book, The sub Organizations under that world goodwill.

The new Group of World Servers went hand in hand working with the UN and other global organizations like the Club of Rome, the Council for Foreign Relations, and those of which Rick Warren is a member, by the way, or he may have retired.

You I go, figure, so you have all these occultic this I mean dark occultic theosophy is dark occultism.

And so Alice Bailey and she founded in one of the one of the the divisions under the Lucius Trust is the Arcane School.

Let me go on a rabbit trail and tell you a little story.

When I started researching the U Age movement New Age movement back thirty years ago, my brother in law knew a gentleman who was probably the wealthiest man, or one of the wealthiest men in his small town.

And he said, he said, Mac, I'm going to have this guy called.

I'm not gonna call his name.

He's deceased now, but I still for the sake of his family if anybody, I'll not call his name.

But he says, he says, Mac, this guy is researching the New Age movement too, And he said you might want to talk to him.

And so I called him up, and he said, what do you want to research that for.

I said, well, I'm called to God to do it.

And I said, that's that's the best I know to say.

And he said, well, I looked into it for a reason.

And he said, I probably shouldn't tell you this, but I was a member of a certain fraternal organization that and he didn't say this, but because of his wealth, they wanted to promote me through through the organization and make me one of the leaders.

And he said, he said, they sent me to this course and I and I was reading all these Alice Bailey books, and he said, you know, I wasn't even a Christian at a time, and the man had since gotten saved and become a Christian.

And he said, I wasn't even a Christian at the time, but I but I went to church when I was a kid, and I knew for my third grade son to school less and that what these books were saying was not lining up with the Bible at all.

As a matter of fact, it was it was absolutely opposite.

And and he said, I just I just couldn't go along with what Alice Bailey was saying.

And I interrupted him, because that blew my mind, and I said, and I said, you mean to tell me that the local Masonic lodge sent you to the Arcane School to promote you to the thirty third degree.

And there was dead size of the fun they did so for about forty five seconds, I thought he'd hung up, and he finally said, very hoarsely, probably even more horse than I'm getting here, he said, how did you know about that?

You're not supposed to know stuff like that.

I said, well, I said, the truth is, I knew.

I know who Alice Bailey is was, I know what the Arcane School is, and I'm thinking the only fraternal organization that they would do that would be the Freemasons.

He said, well, you're exactly right.

He said, that's exactly what they wanted me to do.

And they wanted me to be a leader, and they wanted to initiate me into this arcane black world, and I was not going to do it.

And so and so that's what's going on behind the scenes here with these with these globalist organizations, they are bowing down to none other than Satan himself and the old gods, the false gods.

They're bowing down and giving place to the Babylonian spirit in their lives.

And the problem is these people are the movers and shakers in the world today, and they want to lead us into a one world government with a one rural religion and a one world leader that the Bible calls the anti Christ.

Yeah.

Amen, brother, Yeah, it didn't surprise me that you had said that he In the minute you started telling the story, I was like, he's Freemason.

In my mind, it's the only thing that made sense from some of the religious aspect of things.

Could it could have been Nights of Columbus, which is well basically eclipsement.

But he could have been a former Freemason myself, former freemason.

I was only in there about a year and a half and I saw things and I'm like, nope.

No, this is that.

I'm out.

He could have been.

The House of Theosophy still exists.

Yeah, the uh, the Order of the Golden Dawns still exists, to my knowledge.

The Oto is still out there.

Uh.

And so you do have you do have?

These are the other occult organizations that are even if it's possible, even darker.

But see, I believe that Freemasonry.

Well, let me back up a minute.

And this isn't my new book as well.

When Jesus acquired the power that he acquired at the resurrection, you know, we read the We read the uh the great commission, Go ye therefore into all the world and preach the Gospel, which is a good thing to read and a good thing and a wonderful thing to do.

That's our charge.

But it's said, but the first word of that verse is therefore, go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel.

You know, one of the things I learned in Christian College, one of the one of the favorite sayings was whenever you see a therefore in the Bible, you have to go back to the previous verse and see what the therefore is there for.

And the previous verse says all power is given to be in heaven and in earth.

And if if that is why we could go into all the world, If all power was given to Jesus and his resurrection, that implies that he intentionally limited his power prior to that time.

We can confirm that scripturally in Daniel chapter ten, when the pre incarnate Christ is talking to Daniel and said, well, I tried to get here, but I was held up by the King of Grecia, who was the King of Grecia, and he said, then I got to go battle to the King of Persia.

Those were the fallen sons of God that had been given authority over the nations.

And so Jesus, God in the flesh, God himself has intentionally limited his power to the point to where he gave those entities power over the gentile nations, because that's what they deserved, after all, because of what happened at the Tower about So, so we have this this situation where where Jesus, with his resurrection now has all power at his disposal, even over the nations if he chooses to even over these gods, if he chooses to use it.

But these false gods that are the youth that are ruling the nations still have a a quite a bit a lot of power because he still lets him.

He gives him a long leash, quite honestly.

And so and so we see that we see that plane out in the whole spirit of babylon idea, because the Babylonian spirit is a one world mindset, a mindset to bring everybody together at the at the lowest level is grouply, but it moves up from group the into a worldwide situation.

And that's why you have organizations like the World Economic Form.

That's why you have people like Bill Gates, the Clinton's, the Bushes, and all of these other guys that have given themselves over to this spirit of Babylon, that it accesses the old guides to bring them back on the scene.

Yep, amen.

Yeah.

One of the other things through my study that I have found too about Christ and about that verse specifically about all power has been given to me and ultimately it's been given to you to go do right, these things right, because you'll do greater things than I.

After he was gone, he told us that.

But one of the things that I it's so funny, it never dawned on me until here recently doing my own study, writing my own book, that what happened was, you know, we go back all the way to the garden, and the minute that that event happened with Adam and Eve, we lost our dominion over the earth.

We were no longer worthy to have that, and by default the dominion went to Satan.

And that's why he is the prince and the ruler of this the earth right.

And what happened was when Christ died on the cross having lived a sinless life, effectively because he was also fully man, there was a human that was worthy to get the deed back.

So the earth and everything in it was deeded back to Christ at that particular time.

And we can see this in Revelation with the Seventh Scroll or seven sealed Scroll.

That's right, no one is found worthy to open the seven Sealed Scroll except for Jesus, and that is because he was worthy to do that because of his sinless life.

So he became he he is the new deed owner for the earth in my opinion, Well.

They that seven seal Scroll is the title deed to the earth.

Yes, and yes he holds it, but he is not implementing it until that point when he opens those seals, he implements that authority.

So we're still living in a time that that while Jesus has been given the power, that that uh that these false gods are still reigning over over the nations.

And that's and that's and that's what we have to deal with on a daily basis.

It is.

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Right, we have a regime change in America, We have a complete policy shift in America.

We have a president that is very pro Israel, moved our embassy into Jerusalem, and so things have changed a lot over the last six months, even since our new president's been in office.

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Doug is a fantastic linguist.

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